/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Through transubstantiation is it possible that wine is both the blood AND body of Lamy?

Done

>>9102551
why are too many catholic holos?
i thought christian community in japan was minimal

>>9106051
It is minimal
But they work very hard to gain status and power Like the jews did to the USA

>>9106051
I blame Marimite for glamorising catholicism.
Go to catholic school, get your own little sister, fight Gigantor.

>>9102551
sedevacantist lamy!

Thank you Catholic Lamy

>>9102551
So I know where Catholic Marine came from, but where did this Lamy rrat come from?
Someone spoonfeed me. I don't follow her.

>>9102551
God bless Catholic Lamy

>>9106051
they're around 1% of the population but are overrepresented among Japanese prime ministers (Christian PMs in general) possibly since many of the political class descend from samurai families, and a good number of those samurai converted to Christianity.

if she is catholic i will watch her

also, >>9106562 based

So Lamy has the catholic duty of becoming Christlike...
Now I understand!
Becoming Lamy is actually aiming to become like Jesus. Become Lamy = Become Jesus. Mind blown.

>1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

>>9102551
I'm not sure about the Catholic bit, but nun Lamy sounds great.

>>9106051
Which other holos besides Lamy and Risu are catholic?
I know Marine went to a catholic school, but i doubt she's actually catholic

>>9118823
>but i doubt she's actually catholic
excuse me, how dare you

>>9118823
Sora, Pekora and Suisei

>>9119721
I don't think Suisei is Catholic. Her mother is, but her father is Buddhist, and she's never made any reference to being religious.

I like to imagine that the Japanese version of /pol/ has people who believe that Japan is secretly run by Catholic infiltrators

Stay away from my third wife, heaten Ramy.

>>9119721
https://youtu.be/GDLXce6triU?t=5262

>>9102551
DO IT AGAIN TOKUGAWA

>>9120366
For almost three hundred years the Japanese ruling class DID fear something along those lines.
It is not a perfect parallel to Western paranoia about Judaism, but the bakufu were deeply concerned that Christians would become a fifth column in their society. Then on some documented occasions, when protestants would try and explain how they weren't like those insane papists, or vice versa, no one seemed capable of believing that the branches were different at all. The theology and history of it was utterly lost on the Japanese.
And when I step back from things, I really can't blame them.

>>9102551
If she (or any other vtuber) is catholic, they are sinners by default.
>Thou shalt have no other gods before me
Creating and worshipping any other object/person except God is a great sin.

where did the rrat come from

>>9121181
They would have burned the ancient heritage of the Japanese for sure, temples would have been lost, mentioning certain folklore would be forbidden. The local architecture would lose space to christian internationalism. Like it was in all cultures Christianity spread to.

>>9121215
>Saints = gods.
Do protestants really?

>>9122325
Yeah they really. Prots are fucking idiots who think that their grandma in heaven is watching over them but St. Paul is not.

>>9122325
Well, to be completely honest, all branches of christianity are fucked up. For example, graves are idols by definition, they are the legacy of our pagan past, but ancient christians accepted it as part of christian culture in order to attract more followers. Even if it's a direct violation of one of the ten commandments.

>>9102551
If Lamy is legit catholic I’ll member her and akasupa, someone give me some concrete proof

>>9121059
Sui-chan Chris-chan?

>>9121059
I can't moonrune, but she said some "Christian". Based

>>9121099
>mfw Lamy descends from a long line of Hidden Christians just like Marine and Sora.

>>9126253
She basically said what >>9120167 wrote.

>>9102551
It takes like 45 minutes and I have shit to do today. Can I just do The Breastplate of Saint Patrick instead

>>9122509
We don't pray to dead humans, sorry. That's necromancy.

>>9122259
>They would have burned the ancient heritage of the Japanese for sure,
To be fair, nobunaga did that shit first even if it was justified because the Buddhists at the time were just as bad as ((them))

>>9121099
Took me too long to realise these christians still had both hands with them

>>9118823
Is Lamy actually?
And yeah, Marine's said she just went to that school because the other one in her area was bad.

>>9126549
Typical Prot, “church fathers were wrong”. Id rather have continuity with the church, which has always asked for the intercession of the saints, than believe everyone was wrong until luther or whoever founded your denomination came along. If you think it is necromancy, you deny Christ himself.

>>9126549
I was raised Prot and I still get the saint thing, even if I don't practice it. If you can rely on your community to help you during hard times you can rely on dead members of the community to put in a word with God. They aren't doing it themselves, they're just asking God to
>But they're dead!
Aren't Christians supposed to believe in eternal life? So what's the problem?

>>9127164
Some Prots hate Catholics and Orthodox so much that they will go out of their way to strawman to the point that they deny Christ.

Amakusa-shiki Jūji Seikyō confirmed?

How do you say VIVA CRISTO REY in japanese anyways

>>9122259
>The local architecture would lose space to christian internationalism
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, polcel

>>9122509
Whats worse its that they always comes up with the same points that catholics are tired from repeating the answer, like this dude over here >>9126549

>>9127339
The only thing all prots agree is their hatred of the Catholic Church

>>9129425
Don't reply to pagan crybabies.

>>9129617
That is true. We stay winning.

Reminder that the Pope is the greatest enemy of Christ on Earth.

>>9130105
Ogey prot. Did your lgbt lesbian pastor tell you that?

Why do humans divide themselves over dumb chuuni shit? Our species needs like another two centuries until we can finally become a united universe-conquering superentity.

We got Catholic Lamy, Pope Gura, and antichrist Bea. Am I missing anyone?

>>9130680
satanchama?

>>9130569
Yeah, youre an idiot if you think eliminating religion would fix the worlds problems.

>>9130680
Anti Christ Omegafaggot

>>9130872
It would probably exacerbate the myriad other problems, desu. I may not like religion myself, but I'm not going to pretend it's some kind of evil like I did in high school.

>>9102551
I've watched every Lamy stream and I have no idea where this came from. This board is wild.

>>9130764
Noted
>>9130924
We got two now, or was it changed?

>>9131054
No, I just call him that because he has a unironic god complex. But there can be multiple anti christs anyways. Pope Pomu was also a thing.

>>9130985
Which is why I respect people like you who have enough common sense to see beyond what is in front of them.

>>9118823
Both Sora and A-chan are definetly catholic.

>>9130872
Religion is a band-aid "solution" for some people, but because it's not based on reality (human nature), it's not a true solution. Ultimately people can achieve what it offers, mostly community and fulfillment (meaning) through other means. But you cannot "eliminate" religion from humanity as it is, just look at human history, countless different ones have always popped up in every corner of the world.

>>9131042
I'm more than sure that it's merely a shitpost with literally no background

>>9118823
Wait, they're catholic?

>>9118823
Never heard about Lamy being Catholic nor Risu. Only Marine mentioned Catholicism in her videos as far as I know.

>>9118823
How is Risu Catholic?

>>9132281
He's making shit up.

>>9130569
>two centuries
Oh boy you dont know how fucked up humans are in the long run.

>>9110391
It's entirely made up by one faggot on /vt/

>>9131648
Its not common sense when you think ending a concept could end (some)problems. Its just a tool and not the motivation for megalomaniacs.

>>9131975
How can a rampant fujoshi be a Catholic?

>>9134461
Lamy is clearly Catholic

>>9135354
Being a Catholic doesn't mean being perfect. We're all sinners, he who is without sin cast the first stone.

https://youtu.be/IEJKneV8nSc

this is stupid there's no vtuber more japanese than lamy
she's 100000% shinto

Don't forget
https://youtu.be/zFLbSk8xrhQ?t=4655

If she is catholic she's probably just doing it for the free wine.

>>9136729
Aww the way she says catholic is cute.

>>9136729
koreans are catholic. what's new?

>>9136887
If they aren't catholic they're part of very very weird protestant christian cults that act like what everybody thinks the illuminati does.
Like what happened to a friend of nabis here's her reaction to finding out
https://youtu.be/kuhFR6rf2yI?t=232

>>9136652
Subaru is such a cuck...
>hurr we shouldn't talk about religion, it's one of the things you should never talk about
It's one of the things that's most discussed about, you fucking retard. You just lost one sub for this cuckery, fucking coward.

>>9137554
Hololive has an explicit rule about no politics and no religion. Marine probably got scolded for this.

>>9137634
Probably not, she mentioned Catholicism several times in the past.

>>9137554
Well besides being Hololive rules, religion really is something that you shouldn't discuss. At least with someone you're not intimate, because discussions about religions tends to always ends with people fighting

>>9136887
>>9137058
?

>>9136734
>free wine
your catholicism reps

>>9137743
>Believing Wikipedia

>>9138026
?

>>9138160
That book is quoting Wikipedia, dude. Here are some better looks so you can educate yourself:

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/8/18/why-is-catholicism-important-in-south-korea
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2020-01/south-korea-cathoic-population-statistics.html
https://catholicmissionarydisciples.com/news/koreancatholic
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/The-number-of-Korean-Catholics-is-growing:-up-by-48.6-per-cent-in-the-last-20-years-49034.html

>>9135354
The same way an anon can post here but regularly offers Holy Mass for Delutaya, Pomu and other vtubers. If Vtubers did not exist then anon would never ask God to assist these people.

>>9138265
Okay, I've educated myself. I went to the actual Korean census from 2015 and it lists Korea as having a total population of 49,052,389, a Protestant population of 9,675,761, and a Catholic population of 3,890,311.

https://kosis.kr/statHtml/statHtml.do?orgId=101&tblId=DT_1PM1502&conn_path=I2

>>9138550
You didn't read any of the links I humbly provided you, shame on you. If you did read you'd know religion (specifically Catholicism) is growing and it shows a more recent census than the Wikipedia one you posted.

>>9137884
In the churchy family used to go to the priest would let people drink a good amount of wine. There were times he would have to get multiple refills.

>>9138978
On Mass? Cause thats not allowed, unless it was an eastern rite church

>>9102551
Catholicism does not require prayer or faith. It only demands participation in the sacred rites (within your ability to do so)

>>9139472
>Or faith
You kinda have to believe in the rites or else you're just doing shit for no reason.

>>9139472
This is extremely wrong, both Faith and prayer are important and crucial to Catholicism

>>9138889
Alright, I've looked through your links. The first link is from 2014, although by the numbers given in the Vatican News publication in 2020, the percentage of Catholicism has grown to 11%. Even if we assume that all of the growth of Catholicism comes at the expense of Protestantism, Protestantism is still currently a more numerous religious affiliation in South Korea, so to suggest that the extent of Protestantism in S. Korea consists of weird fringe cults or is otherwise unimportant is untrue. This is not to say that Catholicism cannot or will not overtake Protestantism in importance in that country, but the initial thesis - that Korea is currently broadly Catholic and that Protestantism is a fringe religion - is not correct.

>>9129425
>>9122259

There could have been an huge catholic ally in the Kangxi emperor had it not been for the fucking Dominicans.

>>9120366
Aren't a ton of influential universities, institutions and groups in Japan Catholic?

>>9140024
Both dominicans and jesuits were wrong. Jesuits were trying too hard to accomodate the faith to confucianism, instead of just doing what they did in Japan and Macao

>>9140147
I Think that is a point that is usually brought up, as in Japan Christian population is of 1% or even less, but they are extremely over-represented in important political positions

>>9140299
If anything it says a lot about how education under shintoism and buddhism is shit

>>9139575
No, no, no.
The major point of catholicism is that it is all-encompassing. The major theological thesis of catholicism and the reason why it is so dominant and why it was so dominant even after two major schisms is that it is truly all-encompassing. It does not matter what you believe in, the church does not demand "faith", it demands participation in the unified rite and crucially the acceptance of the dogma. Other than that, you can do whatever you want.
This is how Catholicism is distinct from the other two major branches of the Christian faith and even the predecessor and the successor.

And if you think about religion in a more abstract sense, this is correct. You do not follow a religion unless you participate in the rite. Everything else? It's just window dressing and no clergyman can see inside of your heart. They can only see you participating in the rite.

The thing that sets the protestant branch apart is the lack of adherence to any rite "sola fide". Faith alone.
As long as you believe hard enough you can be saved. This is intentionally vague and weasly. "I guess you didn't have enough faith after all, sorry". The catholics tell you what it takes, "participate in our rites, even if it's just once every few years, it's enough".

>>9139919
That is a very strange perspective to take, when it's simply not true. Keep in mind that the Americanized form of catholicism as much as it is part of the all-encompassing church, it is also a splinter group that was heavily, heavily influenced by the protestant rite. It is hardly representative of the will of Rome

>>9140299
a persecuted minority either gets a clue and get wealthy or turns theselves into the worst kind of poor shitters a society can have

>>9139177
We lived in a area with a big hispanic population.

>>9140554
Dude you need to believe in a God at a minimum to consider yourself catholic, just participation does not really mean a whole lot if you think whatever you are doing is dumb or something

>>9137554
Obviously you can discuss it in certain contexts. It's just not something you bring up casually.

>>9140554
>The thing that sets the protestant branch apart is the lack of adherence to any rite "sola fide". Faith alone
And catholicism teaches that instead of Salvation through Faith alone, you have Salvation through both Faith AND Works. Its extremely important in Catholicism what you believe in, in fact Catholicism is extremely strict with Dogma, unlike other sects. Theres a reason why accusation of heresy in catholicism is extremely grave and why excommunication exists.

>>9141123
The rest of the post is fine but
>Catholicism is extremely strict with Dogma, unlike other sects
I feel like you don't know about American Evangelicals. They're incredibly dogmatic, and the only reason they don't have actual excommunication is because they don't have a formal church to perform it (and they'll sure as fuck shun you from the community if you appear insufficiently faithful).

>>9140554
>That is a very strange perspective to take, when it's simply not true
Entire books have been written by Catholic Saints about the importance of prayer before America even existed. Go read Introduction to the Devout Life by Francis de Sales

>>9130764
Baphometchama, actually.

>>9141266
Thing is, with evangelicals you can always just go to another evangelical temple, or create your owwn sect and you will continue being an evangelical, while in Catholicism if you don't believe in a single point of the Dogma, you stop being catholic, even if you still believe you are one

>>9140951
>you need to believe in a God at a minimum
Why is that?
What stops someone from earnestly participating in the rite, without faith?

>>9141123
>catholicism teaches that instead of Salvation through Faith alone, you have Salvation through both Faith AND Works
That is in theory true, but in the clerical pratice, catholicism has always been about the rite and NOT the faith. This goes as far back as the first schism, which which was a time where you quite literally could buy your way to heaven. It was not your faith, but the rite that granted you passage. Of course, this was one of the reasons why the schism happened and why protastants have their stupid "sola fide" garbage.

>Catholicism is extremely strict with Dogma
I do not think you understand dogma very well or have ever thought about it. Dogma does not mean "I believe this is true unquestioningly", rather it means "I will not question this".While you might say, these two things are the same, they're really not. There's a subtle difference here. Dogma also means that you do really not talk about it in a way that goes beyond what the church demands. This has nothing to do with faith, rather the practice of dogma is another rite, but a very implicit one.

>>9141274
Saints can write whatever books they want, it doesn't really mean very much. While they are accepted, they have no authority on church policy or matters of the faith itself.
They are people recognized by Rome.

>>9141711
>you stop being catholic, even if you still believe you are one
So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter what you believe. If the church recognizes you as catholic then you are catholic and if it doesn't you are not catholic.

>>9102551
Luv anglicanism
Luv her maj
Hate catholics
Hate nips

Simple as

>>9141993
you forgot "ate my wife"

>>9141793
>While they are accepted, they have no authority on church policy or matters of the faith itself.
https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P9S.HTM

>>9141793
>What stops someone from earnestly participating in the rite, without faith?
Because rites are specifically to honor a God the person believes in?

>>9142060
goes without saying really

>>9141793
>>9141965
>So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter what you believe
I'm saying exactly the contrary, what you believe is extremely important, even if nobody on this Earth doesn't know what you believe, and even if you lie about what you truly believes.
Please read this article as it explain the catholic position on that topic: https://www.fisheaters.com/solafide.html

>>9130680
Eastern Orthodox Suisei

>>9142107
This reads like a recommendation to me, rather than dogma. Keep in mind what catolikos means.

>>9142283
This is a interpretation from some American woman, I wield at least that much authority and I like my interpetation better. So mine is true and this one is not.

>>9142139
Is that really the purpose of the catholic rite? I think you're missing something.

>>9122259
The Church was one of the biggest proponent for the preservation of old documents and archictecture. If you have access to the works of Plato, Aristotle and all those old authors you have to thank the medieval Catholic monks for it.

>>9143031
Well for Aristotle you have to thank the Arabs first

>>9139973
That wasn't my initial thesis, I'm someone else, but there's nothing to add, I agree with what you said.

>>9142761
>This is a interpretation from some American woman
Bruh, the article clearly arguments against the usual american protestant position on the issue, and its not teaching an interpretation, but the position of the Church on the topic.
>and I like my interpetation better. So mine is true and this one is not
This is the biggest irony of your babble. You're very voval about how american culture is wrong about religion, but this talk about thinking Catholic Dogma is up for personal interpretation is precisely one of the vices of the common american view on religion!
The only interpretation that matters in Catholicism are the ones that the Church has declared and teached!

>>9143097
Based

Blessed are you among women, Catholic Lamy

>>9106562
Sedevacantists are cringe crypto-protestant incels, Lamy is a SSPX church goer

>>9160121
SSPX is sedevacantist though

>>9160728
It isn't SSPX recognize the pope and the bishops as legitimate, but heretics.

>>9160791
>Legitimate
>Heretics
Pick one and one only

>>9160967
>my father is an asshole so he no longer is my father
this is what you sound like

>>9160987
So a Mormon could be a legitimate Pope if he was baptised Catholic?

>>9143518
>this talk about thinking Catholic Dogma is up for personal interpretation
But where am I saying that?
You are thinking I am saying things I am not saying.

>>9162141
if he was elected by a conclave of cardinals, then yes.

>>9141793
What you're describing is not how Catholicism works but how it looks from outside. Sure you could have literally "bought your way to heaven" in the medieval ages but in the end when you die you are still judged not by the priest whom you paid (who may have even believed you were honestly trying to repent, priests are only human and can't see inside your soul) but by God. So even if you participated in rites and did everything you had to do to LOOK like a catholic you are still not getting to heaven if you didn't believe. At worst you're going to hell. At best and more likely if you were actually a good person despite not believing you're going to the purgatory.

>>9166290
"Buying your way to Heaven" isn't even how indulgences work, even in the middle ages when they were abused by unethical clergy. Indulgences only provide a remission of temporal punishment for sin, they don't save anyone. If you're in Purgatory you're already saved and will make it to heaven 100%. Purgatory isn't even a "place" it's a preparatory stage to develop the level of holiness required to stand in Gods presence

So Hololive is just a Jesuit gay op? great

>>9167479
wtf I love Jesuits now