/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>91192545

>>91192616
FPBP

>>91192545
Suisei
>I'm a founder and this hurts me, so of course I'm mad. Who cares if my contract is 100x more lucrative than less talents?
Mori
>I'm one of the wealthiest EN members
Bae
>I'm just going to fall into place even though I've constantly shat on management
Kronii
>Same as Bae

>>91192721
No homo NY countdown this year

>>91192545
I'll make it real easy so there's no confusion.
Ame
>can't speak Japanese
Fauna
>can't speak Japanese
Gura
>can't speak Japanese

>>91193094
and Kronii can? roru rumao

>>91192545
This might be the most obvious niji letting a rapist run around in their company defection thread I have seen

>>91193325
Yeah because Cover definitely didn't do that

LUL

>>91193199
Not really. That's why she complains about management all the time, and why her latest song she released 2-3 months ago was in development since debut. But apparently she's okay with that, so more power to her.

>B-BUT NIJI
lol holokeks cope

>>91192721
she can speak better than the others

>>91193523
Suisei? You mean the one person in the company that the company doesn't want to leave? Yes, she's definitely going to have the same troubles as everyone else. Lol look at this dipshit.

She's literally a founder you fucking moron.

>>91193368
They don't. They fired him and then he tried to keep stalking after that.

>>91193651
Fired is a funny word to use for someone that was transferred.

Also doesn't change the fact that they knew about it for MONTHS before they even did that, and it was only because she got her own lawyer involved.

>>91193368
>Cover management are rapists
Yes, holofans *know* that the managers are shit. It's only fans of the nijiboys who are in denial.

>>91192545
i mean theyre right

>>91193638
>She's literally a founder you fucking moron.
Of what, INNK?

>>91192545
>Why did Fauna say inflammatory shit
She didn't.

>side with talent
>fast forward a few days
>turn outs the issue is the talent
Happens every time

>>91193638
>Suisei? You mean the one person in the company that the company doesn't want to leave? Yes, she's definitely going to have the same troubles as everyone else.
We can continue talking once you're done making up scenarios in your head.

>Those Niji-keks sucking corporate cock! THIS IS HOW IT'S DONE RIGHT GLUG GLUG GLUG
Capitalists aren't your friend and abuse their workers

>>91193936
The number 1 revenue generator in the company is not important to the company enough that they'd pamper her? Ok bro.

>Of what, INNK?

Of cover you fucking moron.

>>91193775
>holofans *know* that the managers are shit
have you seen the catalog this past week

>>91194043
Yo buddy I think you've got the wrong board, /pol/ is two blocks down.

another beautiful thread wherein all the anon participating either have cover's dick so far up their ass they can taste it or honestly think Holo is on the same level as Niji

>>91194197
nice try holofag

>>91194250
exhibit B

>>91194127
Yeah, seen a lot of posts deflecting from the management by claiming that the Hololive talents are shit.

>>91194197
Mori doesn't lie

>multiple members quit within a few months (more coming soon)
>multiple other members criticize management
>UMMM IT'S JUST GREEN WOMAN

>>91192545
>>91192616
Why can't we just have fun by discussing both dramas?
That seems to me like the true 4chan thing to do, instead of this pointless tribalism.

>>91194391
All four of them are saying management treated them well.

>>91194103
>The number 1 revenue generator in the company is not important to the company enough that they'd pamper her?
Are you talking about Coco, Rushia, or Aqua? (kek)
Never mind, you don't need to answer that, because the answer is "not any more, they don't" (double kek)

>>91194372
not saying she is. from her perspective i'm sure everything is good. or at least more than good enough to outweigh any issues she may have with the company. that's the point. some talents have shitty direct reports. some of them may have had issues with upper mgmt even that other girls haven't experienced. they may just not like the direction of the company. it's all totally valid reasons for wanting to leave. it does not, however, mean that all of holo is rotten to the core.

>>91194473
>Are you talking about Coco, Rushia, or Aqua? (kek)

>this retard thinks superchats matter in a company that has shifted to IP based revenue.

Suisei is the number 1 revenue generator. She's raking in fistfuls of money from licensing, merch, and music. She's literally a top 5 artist in Japan right now.

Imagine a Japanese employee of an American company resigning because of the pain of not being able to speak English.
Who would take him seriously?

>>91192545
The Sui clique has grown into EN. Bootlicking will get you far and Suisei and her allies know this.

>>91194366
>screenshots a "workers of the world unite" shitpost, complete with hammer-and-sickle iconography
>unironically believes it to be a genuine and useful measurement of westerners' opinions on the matter
allowing mongoloids to use the internet was a mistake

>>91194197
Holo isn't at Niji levels and they have a long way to go, but it's hard to ignore the warning signs that they could be going that direction.

>>91194653

>>91194372
But does she cope?

>>91192545
Aside from Bae, Mori and Kronii clearly know that Fauna is joining Vshojo.

>>91194784
If she does she'll lose 90% of her viewers like kson did

>>91194749
The funniest part of this is you have no fucking clue how popular she is right now. On top of that have no fucking clue how hololive generates it's revenue. The revenue from superchats and youtube subscriptions don't even pay the bills to keep the lights on in their office anymore. That's why they had to shift to IP. IP revenue has 4x'd in the last 3 years according to last years statement, and they stated they plan on shifting to that completely. It's going to be 10x'd in the next with shit like Suisei's appearances on shows, radio, concerts, the LA Dodgers, her sponsorships, etc.

Suisei is easily earning over a million a month at the moment. She doesn't even need to turn on her stream to make that.

>>91194686
I can't tell if this is supposed to be genuine or not because it reads like an actual nijisister cope

>>91194732
i don't really think they'll end up that way. i think they will end up becoming a company that is naturally hostile towards streamer first types, though. or at least i hope that's all it is.

>>91192545
>Who was in the wrong?
Cover for not finding some way to work out a compromise with Fauna. Hololive is a business and most talents have to deal with stuff they dislike but they wouldn't have to be running damage control if management has been more reasonable.

>>91194971
it's not a matter of will they get there, they already got there before niji did. Just they're not outwardly dicks about it in the public.

>>91194749
Nobody else in Hololive can fill huge venues like Suisei can. Including Mori and Gura.

>>91194713
You're in the minority and coping hard, likely because you do not live in the West. All of West from sea to shining sea, hates and distrusts corpos. Anyone who doesn't is branded as a bootlicker and for good reason.

>people still trying to act like Hololive is black company
A couple talents, some who have been there for 3 years+ have decided to go their own way for whatever reason. 1 was too sick to keep going.

>>91192545
>Why did Fauna say inflammatory shit
Cool fanfic

>>91192545
It's so fucking weird to see Bae of all people effectively use
>works in my machine
As her official response to Fauna's graduation backlash against management

>>91195050
Shhh, let them believe that their streaming only oshi is valuable.

>>91194892
merch, promos, etc. are definitely on the rise and are making them more revenue, but i think you're underestimating the nearly nonexistent overhead of streaming based revenue. to say it's not enough to keep the lights on i feel is grossly underestimating it.

>>91192545
Suipiss - Cover's golden duck, of course they would kneel to her demands.. her opinion doesnt count
Calorie Mori - Thankful to Cover, she now have a better music career
Asian rat and Asian fake 2D tits - They are just happy, they still have a job.. cause 100% the wont survive as indies

>>91195146
>but i think you're underestimating
I think you didn't read their 2023 financial statement.

>>91194784
Doubtful. She'll probably just follow the same trajectory as Dooby.

>>91194890
That's going to happen regardless of whether she's Vshojo or true indie. Kson's trajectory was fairly unique.

I stand with Bae.
I stand with IRyS.
I stand with Miko.
I stand with Suisei.
Simple as.

>>91194890
If Saplings drop her because she's no longer a green mommy then she wasn't really their oshi.

>>91193199
She had a whole collab with Polka where she was keeping up the conversation fine enough even if her JP is a little more rudimentary compared to the more proficient speakers.

>>91192545
All of those collabed with men before. They hate Fauna cuz she respects idol standard

Personally, I hope this keeps going until all the dedicated streamers get squeezed out and Holo is left with just the real idols. Unironically everyone wins. The streamers can take their audience and survive as indies and the idols can focus more on their idol work. This goofy half-idol concept has always been unsustainable.

>>91192545
The answer is always management.

>>91195044
well, if you want to argue semantics, sure. streaming revenue ALONE doesn't keep the lights on. but it never has. streaming has never been 100% of their business model. that is also clearly indicated in those same statements. the point is that it has great profit margins because of the low cost to the company,

>>91192545
They probably don't know the details of eachothers contracts. Management, especially given recent pressure from investors, probably do an analysis of how much money each v-idol brings into the company from super chats and moving merch. Based on that they probably allocate more resources and generally give better contracts to the ones who do better in that regard. Which is understandable from a financial point of view. But the thing is managment will always be grading on a scale this way. If Hololive keeps losing talent one of the the girls will be the new lowest rung on the ladder and get cut the same shitty deal the previous one who left got. And them might decide to leave herself.

but that's just a theory lol idk anything lol

>>91195772
my bad, this was meant for
>>91195202

>>91195167
>>91195291
Go away, schizo

You guys do realize many of the girls simply wouldn't know exactly why Fauna is going, right? I'm sure Fauna would have told them the gist of it, but her contract is her business.

>>91194400
holo one just feels dead and completely forced at this point
but it may get some new legs if minecraft gets cancelled again

>>91196509
B-but anon, rrats said al lthe girls gangbanged by order of management fauna and that's why she left.

>>91195772
This isn't even semantics. Literally, just go read their financial report. They've shifted to an IP model. Streams are just an advertisement. Bringing in 200k usd a year in superchats, and 100k in memberships is nothing compared to their licensing potential as Suisei has already shown.

>>91194784
Leave to be an anti corpo just to join a corpo

>>91197046
cope

>>91196790
I guess fair enough.
This is probably close to the truth >>91192721

>>>91196790
The path they're taking is a predictable one. It follows every single idol corpo ever. Build a huge presence as cutesy girls doing cutesy girl things. Keep doing it until you explode in popularity. Coast in mediocrity, licensing, and merch until you retire.

It's a well established industry. They're not exactly pioneering anything, they're just copy and pasting 3dpd shit into 2d.

>>91193094
Chloe and Aqua can't speak Japanese either? I'm McLoving it!

>people think that employees and employers having a different vision for future activities is drama equal to workplace sexual harassment and corporate bullying to the point of suicide
sisters...
There is no drama when Fauna, Chloe, Ame and Aqua say they want to be a different type of streamer than Cover wants them to be and they are unable to continue with the given role happily. You haven't worked a day in your live, so you wouldn't understand that if you have better options for work, be it comfort or payout, you take them without hesitation.

>>91197271
>workplace sexual harassment
already happened, actually probably worse
>corporate bullying to the point of suicide
almost happened twice

>>91192545
>bae says you can't ignore the fact hololive is changing
>crop it to say ignore the fact hololive is changing
sausage disingenuous shitstain

>>91196891
That might be the plan, but what the statements show is that they've switched to a merch-driven model. Despite the deprioritization of streaming and superchats across the company and all the homework, shilling streams, and attention-grabbing collabs with famous brands, licensing/collaborations has never brought in more than streaming/content in any quarter of cover's history, ever.

>>91192545
dust=settled

>>91197468
>but what the statements show is that they've switched to a merch-driven model
No, it literally says IP driven business. Merch is just a small part of that. The big bucks of that come from sponsorships, endorsements, stuff like LA Dodgers, music licensing, etc. Your streamer sitting at the computer playing mario kart for the millionth time isn't earning the company money.

This is the difference between someone leaving and getting affiliate and someone leaving and not getting affiliate. They don't get affiliate not because they didn't ask for it, but because someone sat down and crunched the numbers and determined it's not cost efficient to keep them around.

>>91197468
>licensing/collaborations has never brought in more than streaming/content in any quarter of cover's history

oh boy, you're in for a shock

>>91195136
Same script regardless how unfitting.

>>91197613
Again, that might be the end goal but they are not there yet and it will be a long time before they get there; IF they get there at all. Last quarter merch made up the majority of their revenue.

>>91197665
Go on, point it out on the chart.

>>91197873
>streaming growing by 20% yoy, easily explained by debuting new talents
>licensing growing by 90% yoy in their first year of switching their model.

Yeah...you have the downs if you think streaming is going to keep up.

>>91194280
PFFT

>>91197271
>You haven't worked a day in your live,
Excuse you, my parents make me work in the rice fields

>>91194689
They keep saying this and yet there keeps not being any proof

>>91198073
>keeps not being any proof

except every single person who has a record of shitting on management is suddenly pro management.

>>91197979
"People" who pretend to believe this are always so ridiculous because it's clear you've never watched a stream in your life. If you had you'd know that in many cases the girls have not been streaming already for years long before any supposed changes happened. And the girls who actually do stream have never stopped streaming even remotely despite also doing more and more idol stuff and sponsor shit that they enjoy. And even in the fanbases where people complain about their oshi prioritzing merch over streaming, they have historically always acknowledged its because their oshi prefers those goals over streaming and not because someone had a gun to her head. If Cover was forcing anything, literally anything, there wouldn't be such massive fucking variance on every single metric you can measure the Holos on.

>>91197979
Hey, I said that they switched to a merch-driven model and guess what: merch is up 79.8% last quarter. And if you look at the YoY numbers the quarter before that, licensing is only up 7.2%. In 5 months we can have this discussion again when the full-year numbers are out.

>>91198303
Nice thesis. Too bad it's wrong.

>>91198354
Ok then why isn't Fauna an affiliate? I'll give you a hint, it's not because she didn't ask for it, and not because she said she didn't want it.

>>91192545
they just dont want your pity or for you to try and 'save' them from the managers. thats really it. none of them contradicted faunas statement.

>>91192545
feels like she wanted to create as much drama as possible on her way out for what purpose? Probably to keep as much of her audience as possible despite not doing any events removing herself from the box will hit her harder than Ame in the long run because she does nothing to attract new viewers.

>>91198442
>idiots actually believe this shit

>>91192721
>People who shat on management all the time are now shills because my rrat demands it.
Okay

>>91198232
"Management" doesn't exist you schizoid freak. Ina was pissed at whoever was responsible for her visa issue (we have no fucking idea who that was by the way since they'd be killed otherwise) but loved her manager for how she dealt with the situation and kept a barrier between Ina and the person(s) responsible. Kiara is the most infamous Cover hater in Hololive history yet the entire time she was bitching she had the best personal manager relationship in the company with a manager who would bend over backwards to accomodate her personally and had a lot of sway. On the other hand a lot of times when JP's are complaining, they complain about the new personal manager they have who eventually learns or gets rotated out.

Also, if everyone is evil and bought in as you believe, then there's nobody for you to protect so your charade of protecting girls from management doesn't even make any sense.

>>91198427
If Fauna isn't affiliate because of some retarded sub metric than actual fucking research where she's literally the fucking #3 or #4 top merch pushers in EN, more than Ame, then I don't know what to fucking tell you other than that Cover is literally fucking retarded, incompetent, and deserves to lose money.

>>91198520
>"Management" doesn't exist you schizoid freak.
Is there even a point to me reading anything after this? You already made yourself look stupid.

>hololive chillin
>get hit with copyright strikes, apocalyptic levels of VOD deletion
>ASMR bans left and right
>everyone acknowledges game perms are a clusterfuck
>everyone acknowledges youtube's standards for what's acceptable is an inconsistent clusterfuck
>cover is changing directions to move to making money off things that they are fully able to control instead of praying for youtube and gaming companies to not fuck them in the ass

every twitch-streamer-type that isn't able to produce content with hololive's internal resources just aint cut out for corpo and having a real brand

>>91198527
>top merch pushers
this doesn't mean the converted on those sales pitches. anyway, it has nothing to do with merch, it has to do with the fact that no one wants to license her shit, which is the value you need to bring to an IP driven corporation.

>>91198554
Sorry your bogeyman isn't real. Santa Claus isn't real either.

>>91198469
she killed every reasonable, obvious explanation in her announcement without providing any alternatives and the wording made it sound like she actually wanted to stay but can't due to this management issue that apparently cannot be solved.

>>91198593
Yes, just like this job post is fake https://hrmos.co/pages/cover-corp/jobs/1114-2

>>91192545
Suipiss would suck a golf ball through a garden hose if it meant extending the duration of her sololive by 5 minutes, I’d take her option on this with a grain of salt

>>91198600
This is the problem with dramaniggers. Nobody cares that she's leaving anymore, the moment passed, move the fuck on. Her fans want her back to being indie, she doesn't want to be there and nobody else she'd have to work with appreciates how she tried to fuck them all over because she was having a woman moment.

>>91198427
The only people who know why fauna isn't an affiliate are probably fauna, her manager, and hololive upper management. If you burnt a zero day or phished a cover intern to get access to their chats, then stop fucking around with this number bullshit and dump the discord sex logs already.

>>91192545
>Fauna says a graduation announcement APPROVED BY MANAGEMENT
>this is a stab in the back that hurts hololive, sisters! She is killing the company! Why did she do this?

>>91198427
>you should be allowed to join the company, accomplish nothing and then be an affiliate
Even you know why that's retarded.

>>91198696
>probably fauna
no
>her manager
probably knows why but not explicitly why
>hololive upper management
no shit sherlock

Here's what the manager knows though "you weren't profitable enough and the cost of maintaining your IP and finding a place for it is higher than the revenue it would ever create".

Welcome to Business 101

>>91198754
Exactly, and that's the point I'm making. She's not an affiliate because she's not worth it. She's also not alone in this, 90% of the talents are probably below that line.

You know whose job it is to push people above that line? Management. Can you see why this becomes problematic for the talent?

>>91198790
It's funny how you have to work to remember Fauna as a loser because that makes you feel better when the biggest Holo who has ever left is not an affiliate either, meaning Fauna could have made the same "noble" choice that she did.

What sponsors and business collabs did Fauna even pull? You'd think as the company's "cool vegan", she could have managed something.

>>91198873
>biggest Holo who has ever is not an affiliate
Because they weren't an IP driven company at that time. This only happened in the last year.

>>91198857
Chloe and Ame are worth less than most Holos, the only value they add is that both are part of generations that have a legacy as an iconic unified generation.

>>91198918
It literally happened at the exact same time as the first affiliate you fucking retard. It was just months ago, Jesus Christ.

>>91198926
>Chloe and Ame are worth less than most Holos

Wrong, Chloe has a ton of sales in Japan and Ame's face is in so much shit. You remind me of the clueless dipshit earlier that was trying to say Suisei isn't the number 1 cash cow.

>>91198951
LOL you're talking about AQUA
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

You know how many times I see aqua in Japan? When someone mentions her on 4chan. That's it.

>>91196258
he's right though

>>91198790
Making fauna an affiliate costs nothing and allows them to push more merch, which is their number one revenue stream. Just because they have some starry-eyed vision of a future business model doesn't change the situation today. Sure, they could be stupid enough to do that, I wouldn't put anything past cover management.

>>91199061
>affiliate costs nothing

your mom costs nothing. being an affiliate means it needs product management time. Opportunity costs of pushing them over other talent, and taking up space on their distribution line.

>>91192545
Fauna:
>I'm graduating because of disagreements with management
Schizo freak:
>HOW COULD SHE SAY SOMETHING SO INFLAMMATORY!?!? NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY DISGRACE HOLOLIVE BY HAVING DISAGREEMENTS WITH THEIR MANAGER!! MAY THE RIVERS RUN RED WITH YOUR BLOOD FAUNA!! CURSE YOU!!!!!

>>91198951
to be fair i completely forgot aqua existed until her graduation was announced

>>91195050
Senchou had a larger audience 2 days in a row. Other than that, you're correct. Next closest would be Pekora.

>>91198790
Fulgur was right. Council was a mistake.

>>91199101
What have they done with affiliation so far? Merch. Myth merch that had ame in it that was in the works before she left that can now continue to be sold like omocat or enreco. There hasn't been any opportunity cost because there has been no ame-exclusive anything. Fauna's merch sold well enough that if fauna was passed over for affiliation, it's because there's no promise merch in the pipeline that she was involved in.

>>91198985
If IP is so important than why was aqua passed over but ame wasn't? What big sponsorships or brand collabs did ame get that outdid aqua that I'm forgetting?

>>91199061
It still means the former talent has to click "read and agreed to these conditions" pdf files whenever they use the fauna character.

That's fucking homework. Do you like overworking even those that have left your company with those clicks? can you imagine having to click on a pdf file every couple of weeks? The amount of stress and physical and mental damage that can do to the person!

>>91199549
>Senchou had a larger audience 2 days in a row.
wrong, yokohama arena fits 20k on a good day. saitama super arena is up to 40k.

>>91198624
>現チームメンバーは8割以上日本以外出身者です※
Oof. At least for me.

>残業手当:有(45時間分の固定残業代を支給、超過分別途支給)
Oofafuuf.

>>91199703
>If IP is so important than why was aqua passed
because no one cares about her shit. she wasn't getting licensing and brand deals.

the faces i see all over japan
1. suisei
2. marine
3. pekora
4. fubuki
5. gura

I've seen aqua maybe once in the last 3 years.

>>91200268
all companies have the overtime clause. the nice thing is you get that overtime pay whether you work it or not, but you often are just expected to work it.

>>91200329
>often are just expected to work it
That's the oof point.

>>91200288
aqua is everywhere i dunno wtf ur talking about

>>91192545
It's pretty scary how they all turned against her.

>>91200383
>aqua is everywhere
pffft, anon, please.

>>91200383
she had a thing with sushiro like 3 years ago. congrats.

>>91198985
>>91200383
>>91200430
Last year I saw her on some snacks in Family Mart.

>>91200383
He's a pathetic larper, just ignore him

>>91200535
oh yeah, the one that had like 30 girls on it. good for her.

>>91199061
>starry-eyed vision of a future business model
Sanrio is older than Yagoo, Cover's main obstacle towards becoming an IP company like Sanrio or Disney is the IPs they own being strongly attached to the talent behind them, more like the anime industry, and not like a true IP company where the people behind the IPs are easily replaced.

>>91192545
>people who have positive experiences with a company have a completely different view of said company than people that have negative experiences
The problem is the Suise and Mori are favorites.
Hakos and Kroni are liked.

Fauna's manager messed up. Every talent should have their own personal manager.
however with that, that would make 160 employees.

The company has 300+ employees.
So what do the extra 140+ people do vs the 160 people who actually do the work?

Fauna doesn't understand corporations, and she isn't really to blame. You have to play social games. You have to do things to be liked . the reason you have to do this is because when you go to want to do an event, if you are liked then they say yes. If you are neutral then why would they work hard for you? This is the way of the world.

>>91200605
Yeah if only a model like this already existed and was profitable

cough AKB cough cough

sorry must have had something stuck in my throat i coughed like 48 times

>>91200648
Do they still sell merch of graduated idols?

>>91198575
>HoloEarth
>the new Fortnite

>>91200697
yes

>>91200635
I think Fauna may understand it more than we give her credit for. Perhaps she just didn't want to play/had a belly full of JP corpo autist bullshit and couldn't. Especially with no ASMR

>>91194689
Suisei doesn't need to lick the boot. Everyone licks HER boot.

>>91200648
only 48? https://akb48.fandom.com/wiki/AKB48_Group

>>91200697
there are entire floors of dingy stores in akihabara filled with merch of graduated talents

>>91200635
I think Fauna understands, but she's on the other side of the world, by herself and doesn't want to go to Japan often (if at all)
It's just the natural outcome.
>>91200785
I'm not a sapling, but I've been told she said she doesn't want to do ASMR anymore. Unless that was just shit she said when the crackdowns happened

>>91200288
And have you seen ame more than you've seen aqua?
>>91200605
By future business model I meant in the future for cover; they aren't there yet. Obviously the model itself is much older.

>>91200918
>she doesn't want to do ASMR anymore
i think it's that she doesn't like live asmr. she'd probably rather do scripted prerecorded asmr like she's more familiar with.

The appeal of VTubers is the streaming.
Will fans remain when all that's left is buying overpriced towels?
Many will, I guess, but enough?

>>91200950
yes in both japan and america.

also, regarding the model, they very much are there considering more than 50% of their revenue is from IP.

>>91200980
bro, just look at the arguments holocucks make on here, and some of the posts these retards make about wanting to have sex with their avatars. they'd follow their oshi even if their voice suddenly changed.

>>91200980
Marine doesn't stream often, but gets 100k when she does and sold out concerts. Like it or not, streaming isn't the money maker.

>>91200705
If they knew how to program, they might succeed with that

>>91200980
Why yes, most people do buy merch of things they liked in the past that are no longer ongoing or they don't like the currently-produced content for. Normal people do in fact behave opposite to how you would like.

>>91201098
regardless of whether they will be successful, that's where they're going. HoloGarden socials, in-platform streaming, 3D avatars with event-limited accessories for real world money...

Metaverse.

>>91201139
Things are just things.
I like travel and experience more, desu.

>>91192545
Wanted to get the Dokibird outcome of people following her out of pity.

I don't care, I only trust Fauna and Gura

>>91200871
>there are entire floors of dingy stores in akihabara filled with merch of graduated talents
So it's possible for Cover to make a profit off new Aqua merch?

>>91201265
depends on the IP agreements/contracts since she was so OG. But I bet my bottom dollar the newer gens contracts allow for it, and I anticipate affiliate will be the new "norm" in time. Negotiate some residuals for the talents, an occasional event phone-in or something, and create a Sanrio/Disney idol merch machine

>>91194784
>Fauna is joining Vshojo.
That would be glorious

>>91192545
wow are they paying you to stitch images together?
cute

>>91200980
>Will fans remain when all that's left is buying overpriced towels?
Ever heard of chumbuds and Nakiri gumi?

>>91192616
>unauthorized information leakage to outside parties
Yeah let's punish the whistleblower too, fucking retards

>cover hires vedal and phases in neuro-sama
>guts her for code and spins up idol AI backups from graduated talent streams and carefully planned voice packs giving them full fidelity AI voice and vocaloid abilities
>cover finally achieves what they couldn't achieve with Kizuna AI
>inadvertently invents a way to digitize people after they die
>only demerit is you have to be an anime girl forever

>>91201265
>So it's possible for Cover to make a profit off new Aqua merch?
No, because no one was buying it. Why is this hard to understand for you aquacucks?

>>91201445
the incel to trans pipeline is complete

>>91201466
>Water is NOT wet. Why is it so hard to understand?
Not everyone is a schizo, schizo.

>>91192545
Why do you keep posting this edited Mori photo you faggot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIK_g-2-ds&t=1430s

>>91201445
This is dumb

>>91192545
Susei had the best response here. No tip-toeing around it, just "What the fuck are you people talking about? Why don't you actually talk to your oshi and decide what you all want to do? We don't even have to do birthday lives, we do it because we want to." Amazing to think people still have trouble grasping this

>>91201535
i love how it took her graduating for half of you retards to even remember she existed.

>>91192545
>suisei has had multiple fights with management before and hasn't been afraid of saying so
>other talents have also shared their management woes before as well
>management is clearly not as good as some holos try to make them out to be
>suddenly they all defend management, almost like it benefits them to do so and because they have a vested interest in Hololive's continued success
Is it really so strange that people doubt the sincerity of their words? I don't think it is. Suisei is even suggesting that it's the fault of fans for not trying to tell their oshi what they want them to do now as well. When we all know someone who is as independent as her would get really angry seeing fans try to influence their oshi in such a way, screaming about how they should just let their oshi do what they want to do.
It all makes them come across as performative with this whole thing. I just can't trust what they say.

>>91201589
What the fuck are you people talking about
>Sips on top shelf vodka
Why don't you actually talk to your oshi and decide what you all want to do
>Yagoo begins fellating her
We don't even have to do birthday lives, we do it because we want to
>As she watches her founder shares rise on the other monitor

Yes, she's definitely given the same treatment as everyone anon.

>>91192545
find a new angle sister

>>91201619
Every workplace I've been in, the majority of people bitch about management and hates them, but not enough to want to leave their job or want their job to crash and burn. If you hated them enough, you just left, like what Fauna is doing.

>>91201658
Shiori says she's not pressured to do shit and she's at the bottom. You guys are retarded.

>>91201811
Offense intended, Shiori comes off as the most easily brainwashable person I've ever known.

>>91193638
>Founder
Here is a tip anon, you can just say Suisei is one of talent that perfectly align with company's direction instead of saying some stupid shit outing yourself as a schizo newfag, literally no one ever consider Suisei is a founder,she is not even a founding member

>>91201897
>Brought in her own IP
>Came in and founded a music branch

You're fucking delusional if you don't think she has founder shares.

>>91192545
Her inner white girl attentionwhoring momentarily came out.

>>91201972
>>Brought in her own IP
>>Came in and founded a music branch
Neither of these mean 'founder shares'. If she has shares she just bought them.

>>91202068
Yes, people just always casually build up a whole new section of a business without having to submit to the rules of the rest of the business for regular pay all the time!

>>91200980
Dokibird syndrome
Every slightly inconvenienced vtuber now thinks they can emulate her if they whine. Completely ignoring the severity of Doki's case and also the fact that dokibird did not cry merchant her exit.

>>91202106
>idol company wants a section of its vtubers to focus on only music
Completely normal. Hololive when it began had no idea how to transfer their success into actual idol activities. What's normal now wasn't the same a few years back.

>>91201619
It's always funny how you admit you don't give a fuck about Fauna and just want to see Hololive burn.

>>91202124
Yeah I mean Aloe and Chris pfft. Mel getting assaulted pfft. Rushia getting credible death threats and management doing nothing about it pfft. Coco and Hachaama getting bullied to the point of one retiring and the other needing an indefinite mental health hiatus pfft.

Jesus, yall just overreacting.

>>91198510
the girls who shit all over management are also the only girls that management works hard for. The other girls just sit there and submit to the treatment until they graduate and so the managers stop bothering with them since they'll just do as told while someone like Suisei will actually pressure you constantly until you give in

>>91200980
>but enough?
99% of vtubers are 99% smaller than the smallest holo and they make a living off of it
You really think that holo couldn't exist with 5-10 gura/shion/suisei/marines (all people who don't really stream very often outside of bursts of activity)? even if they had to downsize or stop growing eventually they could exist for decades on that kind of income
Everything else is retarded cope

>>91202106
Your whole point hedges on this apparant conflict of interest on Suisei's part. Meanwhile she's not even the only defending bad rumours. It's literally everyone. There's no holo who's saying things are amiss. Are they all founders too you retard?

>>91201164
Yet you hate the experience of live shows or the idea of traveling outside your bedroom to another country.

>>91202191
It is normal. But they didn't know how to do it, until Suisei came in and did it for them.

You know what someone that comes in and makes a market for you? A founder.

>>91202241
>Your whole point hedges on this apparant conflict of interest on Suisei's part. Meanwhile she's not even the only defending bad rumours.

She went on the yappest of yap's about this out of all of them. Do you really think she knows whether or not Ina's manager forces her to stream her birthday? No, she doesn't. GTFO.

>>91201619

>>91202281
>she knows whether or not Ina's manager forces her to stream her birthday
And...you do?

>>91200635
>Kronii
>liked
Didn't she recently complain about her manager ignoring her for 2 weeks straight when she was asking for game perms?

>>91202208
Yeah bro all that happened.

>>91202349
What does it matter if I do? Her whole like huge rant about this is based on her claiming she knows exactly what every detail of every talent's contract says and how every manager always interacts with their talent. Which simply is not the case.

Like that's her whole argument. She's projecting her own experiences onto others, because for some reason she thinks she knows how everyone else. If she wants to come in and say I have no problems with management that's fine, but her experience is not the experience of the others. And despite them all saying they have no problems with management, every single one of them in the last year has bitched consistently about management.

this is just sad
there's no drama here
you can't astroturf this

>>91202208
>aloe
Harrassed by nijis, went menhera (she has told us a million times how she was not in a good headspace, with her own parents harrassing her as well for instance) and accepted no management help before going nuclear
>Chris
Traded sexual favors for money, got found out and kicked out
>mel getting assaulted
Didn't happen (she got stalked, which is a magnitude less severe than getting assaulted), literal years ago when hololive was completely different, it did eventually get solved anyway and hasn't happened to any talent since
>rushia
Complete menhera, management tries to help but she just ruins any and all attempts at it. Biggest threat to her life is unironically herself (has threatened to kill herself about 100 million times)
>coco and hachaama
Yeah cover should've initiated a world war against china, that'd work. They were incompetent sure, but literally NO company could solve that issue anyway

The points you make are retarded because they 1) in no way reflect the current environment of hololive and thus are meaningless to the discussion 2) no other corpo or indie could've dealt with those issues better (if there's no alternative what's the point of saying holo bad? Yes it can improve but its still the best, so go whine at the others first (yab man anyone? Daterape?))

>>91192545
suisei should shut the fuck up about this honestly, she's ironically enough the one who is the catalyst for all this shit IMO

>curbstomps chinks the moment they get uppity
>loses half her audience
>gets spammed by freaks for months
>doesn't give a fuck
has anyone else ever been this based?

>>91202439
>Didn't happen (she got stalked)
I have some magic beans to sell you anon. There's actual documents and statements where she was locked in rooms with the person and not allowed to leave. It wasn't "literal years ago". The person wasn't even fired, they were transferred, and her claim was never taken seriously until she hired her own lawyer. Sorry but you don't hire a lawyer "stalking".

>management tries to help
Your definition of try is pretty weak. If by try you mean went "sorry we're closed for the holidays lol, take care". Then yeah they tried really hard. Doesn't matter if she's mentally unstable or not. If this happened to Fubuki, do you think the reaction would be the same? I know the course of action by Cover would have been the same, but you wouldn't be claiming Fubuki was mentally unstable.

> but literally NO company could solve that issue anyway
It was an easy solve. You don't suspend them. You don't acknowledge the complaints, and you move on.

>in no way reflect the current environment of hololive

agree to disagree

>>91195291
>>91195488
kill yourself

we have a literal paid shill making effortposts full of lies and disinformation to shit on hololive
hilarious

>>91202749
>paid
He's doing it for free unfortunately

>>91201880
h-hot...

>>91202378
nta, but as far as I know, they have personal managers and general ones that manage perms and shit.

>nitpicking the most asinine shit if it's holo
>downplaying horrors if it's niji
lole

>>91201972
>Came in and founded a music branch
Holy newfagGOD, Suisei is just tossed into INNK, it was meant to be Azki project which is also the reason why she got neglected in INNK, again, no need to say some stupid shit just to out yourself

>>91203152
Yeah this board is fucking weird

>>91202749
>we have a literal paid shill making effortposts full of lies and disinformation
True. Except the intern is there to defend the company, not shit on it.

>>91194400
True 4chan died around gaymer gate

>>91201442
rushia, retard?

>>91203381
what did rushia whistleblow?

>>91203381
You are so profoundly retarded, it's impressive you can operate whatever device you're posting from
good job

>>91195488
Pfffff haha

>>91203259
>Suisei is just tossed into INNK
She founded it, she wasn't tossed into it. Her and Azki both.

>>91203152
>rules to follow but not for holo

Niji ain't doing anything new, they're just doing the same shit holo did.

Meanwhile holocucks be in this thread like "oh that was years ago things have changed".

CEO when it happened - Yagoo
CEO now - Yagoo

corporatewantstoknowthedifferencebetweenthesetwophotos.jpg

>>91196790
>No one shows up to her openvc Minecraft stream
>Or it gets cancelled
Pain...

Rushia situation
>Something leaks
>Management: don't worry about it we'll figure it out later, just don't say anything
>Says something
>Management: surprisedpikachu.jpg
>Rushia goes nuts
>Management: you're fired

Dokibird situation
>Music video leaks
>Management: take it down don't talk about it
>Says something
>Management: surprisedpikachu.jpg
>Selen goes nuts
>Management: you're fired

kurosanji amirite. learned from the "best"

>>91203784
No she didn't, retarded newfag

>>91204009
Yeah, next thing you're going to tell me is that Yagoo came up with the idea of idol studio all by himself and totally wasn't sora and roboco begging him to start the idol agency.

>>91192721
best post here

>>91203895
missing the part of niji staff and her coworkers driving her to attempt suicide in the second situation, liar anon

>>91196891
>Bringing in 200k usd a year in superchats, and 100k in memberships is nothing compared to their licensing potential as Suisei has already shown.
That's the biggest joke those dumb girls don't get. Sure if you want to be a superstar on the stage you need that, but if you are comfortable with streaming, then they already earn more than enough money. There is no need for them to get their faces printed on every item being sold at a convenience store. They basically are putting in the extra work solely to make shareholders happy.

>>91204451
Nothing in that post is a lie. You think Rushia was "well liked" in Holo? Half you guys chuck her under the bus the moment you get, you think that's a systemic thing? They both were mentally unstable, and in both cases management poked the bear by doing nothing and trying to shut them down.

The only difference was that one lived in japan and could be enforced to not talk about shit that happened, and the other lived in Canada where the corporation couldn't do shit.

>>91204095
>Roboco
You mean Sora and A-chan pitched the idea of Hololive as vtuber agency? Why you keep embarrassing yourself newfag-chama? Like I said, you can just say Suisei is one of talent that benefited from company's direction instead saying stupid shit that only makes you look like a retarded newfag who don't even know what you're talking about

>>91204990
Oh I said the wrong person, sorry. I guess that magically disproves everything I said. Go on holocuck, keep embarrassing yourself.

>>91204615
>You think Rushia was "well liked" in Holo?
For a while, until she decided to let her mental illness dictate everything she did. Same reason why Matsuri is far less involved with other Holos now, her own choices messed with her relationships with her coworkers.
>Half you guys chuck her under the bus the moment you get
That's because we learned after the fact that she was batshit insane and incredibly manipulative.
>They both were mentally unstable
But not for the same reasons. Shit comparison.
>and in both cases management poked the bear by doing nothing and trying to shut them down.
No, Cover "did nothing" in Rushia's situation because they only took action after they found out about her breaking rules because it wasn't "something leaks"-- she was leaking info herself, and so they terminated her ASAP.
Meanwhile, Niji staff actively denied helping Selen release her cover MV and her post-Niji comments show just how scarce support was for any project she wanted to run by management, which was so endemic to the company's behavior that after dealing with it for years she tried to off herself.
And to top it off, Niji AND most of Selen's own "liver" coworkers threw her under the bus afterwards with comments and official statements which were attempts at character assassination.

The situations aren't anywhere close to being the same, and you're a disingenuous weaselly faggot for pretending they are.

>>91205072
Yes it does, it shows that you're just a retarded newfag, it disproves your retarded claim of Suisei being a founder of anything.

>>91205091
>For a while
LUL
>That's because we learned after the fact that she was batshit insane and incredibly manipulative.
Was well known way before this
>But not for the same reasons.
Not how mental health works
>One leak is different than the other
Keep telling yourself that

>>91205317
Oh ok, in that case Trump didn't win the presidency, because 2+2=5.

I guess Kamala's our president now. I don't make the rules, apparently you do.

>>91194892
I’ve been saying this for the past couple of years, that there will be a gen that will never stream because they will have no need to, with IP marketing being Cover’s new strategy.

>>91205354
>making up random shit and lives in an alternate reality
>calls someone else a trumper
You're the retard who thinks the election was """"stolen"""""

>>91205319
>LUL
no argument
>Was well known way before this
No, people who only knew Rushia and didn't look into any IRL shit wouldn't know anything until after the termination, and even those who did "know" didn't have the full scope.
>Not how mental health works
It literally is, retard. Not everyone who is mentally ill is so for the same reason.
One is a manipulative crazy bitch, the other got depressed from constant interpersonal abuse. It's literally not the same.
>One leak is different than the other
One was leaking information about her coworkers and the company(potentially endangering them), the other complained about how shit Niji staff is and decided to post an MV she worked on for months.
Now sit your retarded ass back down. Nobody's buying into your attempt at conflation and revisionism.

>>91205589
Nta, he was just saying just because he forgot a name doesn't make his argument any less legitimate. Nigga you dumb

>>91205603
>One was leaking information about her coworkers and the company
Source not found. The only leaks she made was going on korekore to talk about the situation

>>91192545
It's amazing how well the spin doctor campaign worked. They barely mentioned Fauna by name and the Drones have already turned against her. Nijisanji take notes, this is how you perform character assassination.

>>91205603
>One was leaking information about her coworkers and the company and One was leaking information about her coworkers and the company

FYP

>>91192545
I love Suisei

>>91202410
a lot of words for such crying.

>>91206507
>doesn't make his argument any less legitimate
His argument can't be any less legitimate as it's just a made up bullshit, trying to paint Sora and Hololive case the same as INNK is moronic, not even Azki is founder of INNK, founding member and founder is different, Hololive was originally just an app with Sora basically as their promotion vtuber then that shit got canned then they changed into vtuber agency instead, Sora plays direct role in the creation of Hololive vtuber agency that's why she is the founder not just founding member.

>>91207242
>I can't actually point to anything wrong in what you said.

FYP

>>91207329
anon, they're founders. it's obvious. get over yourself.

you yourself aren't even getting the story right about sora.

>>91207412
keep crying, retard. Suisei is still right, and you are not.

>>91207459
their own talents can't even keep the stories straight. it's almost like they forgot they're being recorded.

>>91207485
why not? name inconsistencies.

>>91207446
You need to stop larping newfag
>you yourself aren't even getting the story right about sora.
Go ahead

>>91194689
>Suisei's "representative"
Mori
>members
All of the girls in Japan (Raora might be debatable since she's new)
>orbiters
Girls outside of Japan who benefit from management

>>91207505

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_vkXeRSJrg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBZCapci054

She even outright says it that management doesn't treat everyone the same.

>>91207485
It's a ruse anon. 100% consistency is too much of a script. They have to make it sound like each recollection is by memory instead of an amateur novela that it truly is.

>>91207551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD2S8NQm9as

>>91194400
>Muh muh 4chin unity
Don’t like the tribes? Then get out of the jungle.

>>91207589
the first clip sounds like regular Cover bureaucracy. The first video doesn't have anything to do with the second video, they are the same management, but on different topics.
in the second clip Kronii explicitly says that nobody told her to say anything because "she hates being told to say things"

>>91207810
>regular Cover bureaucracy

It's regular bureaucracy that the same person is approving everyone else and not you? That's bureaucracy my friend. She also said if it's a real problem she won't talk about it, but pointing out favoritism is a pretty big problem anon.

>>91207866
maybe different games are easier to approve and others are not that easy, but they still got a possibility for approval, and they don't confirm nor deny anything.

>>91207937
>making excuses because you don't have a proper response

k

>>91207666
Holy retard, how does that different with my explanation? Hololive didn't start as vtuber agency, the original Hololive was an app you retard https://www.youtube.com/live/aVSEJ_Qs2Gk?si=rojY-DWPhK4quwJd watch this shit for more detailed explanation fucking newfag kys

>>91207950
what's the excuse? it's regular Cover autism.

>>91201445
Neuro is too unpredictable, the investors would never risk being represented by her.

>>91203381
genuine retard

>>91203381
what did that piece of shit whistleblow besides getting lolcow'd by pretty much everyone she came into contact with, you fucking retard

>>91192545
of everyone who has commented on this i really HATE the way Bae talked about it so fucking much. just completely meaningless, superficial vaguebabble that would make a politician blush - while at the same time having that PATRONIZING tone. AND fueling that fucking "HOLOLIVE CHANGED" narrative while telling people to just shut up and deal with it. god what a CUNT.
every other holo was at last reassuring even if they didn't really say much they at least made it clear that Fauna's issues were NOT theirs, which was the most important thing to convey and why people were really panicking.

The JP side seems really obsessed with the "overworking" narrative which is understandable because of the Chloe/COVID incident.

Are people being obtuse on purpose or are they just not aware that they're under an NDA and can't really speak up or agree with the person leaving the company because of management is fucking with her?
It's like if HR asks you if there's any problems at work, you're not going to say anything that puts you in the firing line.

>>91209931 (me)
*because management

>>91210048
it's hard not to consider this. if these girls have any reason at all to stay with the company, they're not gonna rock the boat while it's already listing.

>>91209891
I love how I can recognize you any time over these bait threads because of how much the rat has mindbroken you since you chose to misinterpret her words as a schizoid

>>91195065
The vast majority of the West distrusts corpos and fucking hates retarded commies.

>>91192545
The fact that management approved and allowed that statement proves that they are incompetent.

>>91210636
>management approved
retard.

>>91210660
You think they didn't approve a resigning employee's pre-written statement?

>>91209931
Kronii clearly says in the scrreenshot that nobody is forcing her to say or do anything

>>91210695
yes.

>>91210720 (me)
Cover is not that dystopian ultra capitalist company you think they are.

>>91210720
In that case, Hololive management is incredibly inept at handling talent PR.

>>91210700
Just like how HR has your best interests in mind.

>>91210700
and what did mumei say?
you dumb fuck

>>91210863
>She's lying, I can read her mind

>>91210763
I don't think they are "dystopian ultra capitalist", I just expect them to display a minimum of common sense. If your whole business is based around brand management, you should ensure that something as sensitive as one of your brand ambassadors quitting is handled well instead of just letting an employee who is clearly not happy with you dictate how things will be perceived.

Cant wait for dramafaggots to keep camping LL’s stream to get better/non vague answers but lose insterrst cause they’ll never get it.

>>91194400
lig/Phase falseflag post

>>91205457
It's gonna be crazy when Cover comes up with a Virtual Idol gen.

>>91211021
Unironically who are you quoting?
Never said she was lying. I'm saying you should know better than to trust everything that you hear from someone that's under company regulations. Just asking questions.
If that upsets you or makes you defensive, maybe deep down you have some doubt, perhaps.

>>91210700
imagine for a moment, kronii has issues with the company. maybe it's the direction, maybe it's the workload, maybe it's management dragging their feet for perms/projects, the reason doesn't matter. however, she

a: needs the job
b: likes the good things about it enough to tough it out

why the fuck would she put herself in the cross hairs by saying anything different? now imagine someone like Bae, who, nothing else withstanding, relies on cover for her work visa. you can't take what they say at face value blindly

>>91211433
>>91211490
>They're lying
>Source: dude trust me

>>91211611
repeating yourself just makes you look like a low functioning autist.

>>91211611
>Unironically who are you quoting?
>Never said she was lying
>Just asking questions.

let it be remembered that this absolute clown tried to unironically conflate the Selen and Rushia situations
this is some advanced shill garbage

>>91192545
The only thing that irks me is that no holo has said that they know about Fauna's disagreements with management or that they've asked her about them after the graduation announcement.
They just speculate that each talent's situation is unique, as though they have no way of asking Fauna directly.

>>91202598
NTA but
>Sorry but you don't hire a lawyer "stalking".
....what. Yes you do, that's how you get restraining orders, officially document evidence, all the legal things needed to build a case against someone.

>management not helping Rushia
I'm gonna be honest with you, when you fail the advice of "lay low for 2 days and don't sperg out online until management comes back", that's aggressively moronic. Rushia literally made everything for her situation worse: went online as Mike crying and threatening to kill herself, giving info to a drama channel that made shit even more suspicious, and even gave Cover a reason to look into her info leaking/NDA breaking that ultimately was the reason she was fired.

>>91213401
That's code for "we know the reason, but it's retarded."

pretending Rushia leaked shit for a noble reason instead of to defend her fake image is insane kek

>>91213574
well if they're speaking in code, it's not possible for it to be code for "we know the reason, and it's valid but we don't want to jeopardize our livelihoods"?

>>91213401
You think they'll tell you even if they know?
Best chances you have is the green woman acting like a total green woman and exposing it herself just like the other green woman did before her. Other talents won't risk that lawsuit.

>>91214007
I meant just a simple acknowledgment that they're aware of Fauna's disagreements

Now make like a tree and get out of here.

>https://youtube.com/live/k0iY-KxAMyo?si=JI57N9irq-IfQ-dj

>From 59:50 to 1:15:57 in 3 parts.
Suisei's talk part 1 https://x.com/melange82/status/1865800136808603986
fisticuffing management, part 2 https://x.com/melange82/status/1865800144618426644
dramafags stoking the flames, just believe what you want to believe, part 3 https://x.com/melange82/status/1865800153665515935

>>91211490
>relies on cover for her work visa. you can't take what they say at face value blindly
The harsh truth is Hololive talents who rely on Cover for a work visa have more reason to avoid complaining about their employer compared to talents who live outside of Japan. Most of the EN talents seem okay with the direction of Hololive but several graduations would indicate that not everyone is okay with management. Cover asked them to run damage control so they would get in huge trouble if they sided with Fauna.

>>91192545
>asking leading questions
Why do idiots/ESL insist on doing this?
Just say what you want to say plainly or don't say anything you fucking coward.

another great damage control thread by nijisissies

>>91192545
>show us all them parroting literally the same speech side by side
>"This is totally not scripted you gaiz'
I'm laughing so hard right now. Literally the RoP-Superfans video but for Holo.

>>91215285
stfu, shitposter.

>>91197242
>Aqua just mumbling incoherently
>Chloe was asked to write it down on paper
I can see it… I am seeing it!…

>CAPTCHA: AK22KG
I don’t think Akua went down to 22, so this probably the difference between Akua and Kuroe, putting the latter at 66.5kg. Good to know.

>>91215285
>shareholders
Contrary to how Hollywood depicts them, sociopaths usually have below-average intelligence.

>>91214752
>completely ignored this

I don't trust Suisei

>>91216480
believe your oshi then, instead of catalog shitposts and dramaniggers.