/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

There is nothing wrong with Hololive management

They should've just kept silent, given Fauna a good paycheck and a sympathy perm to play along in her final month and let the scandal wash over.

>>91158666
creatives vs sellouts

>>91158975
>implying

>>91158975
>he thinks there's any creativity in the extremely curated Hololive streaming experience
The girls with complaints about management are the dipshits who didn't get the memo that they're only successful because Cover sticks to delivering a very specific type of streamer.

>>91158666

>>91158666

>>91158666
The brand risk is interesting. People often say how managers don't really meddle with the talents, but clearly Gura is in a different position.
She is feeling massive pressure to not do anything to rock the boat, and it does open the question about who is applying that pressure and which other talents are feeling it.

>>91163550
>She is feeling massive pressure to not do anything to rock the boat
Except concern trolling membership streams, prolonged conspicuous absences and years of not figuring out what projects are acceptable and what aren't. Face it, she just doesn't want to bother putting in work that isn't mandated because she's well on her way to fuck you money as it is.

>>91163550
I feel like Gura is just waiting out the clock to graduate

>>91163725
That's really the point. "Rocking the boat" clearly isn't caused by lack of streams or whatever. It seems she's under pressure not to act in certain way or do certain things in public streams.
Don't make jokes that hurt the brand, and such.

There is no trouble with managenent in Ba Sing Se

>>91163550
Gura is probably exaggerating managements position quite a bit. someone probably brought up something she did or mentioned what kind of image they're trying to go for as a company and she interpreted that as "oh, I need to tone some things down or I'll be a brand risk." you have to keep in mind that many of the girls are more neurotic than their streams let on.

>>91164419
On the other hand I do remember how often it's happened how some manager messages a talent to cut some shit out. (I feel like the talents used to say this more in the past)
So I can see that because of Gura's prominence, that has actually developed into more and more things that she gets annoying notes from the manager. Whether they're actually threatening her with sanctions or if it's just empty notes, who knows.

>>91158666
>>brand risk
Glad to see homo created memes getting adopted by retards. Imagine believing a literal schizo off his meds who was making theories on stream about why managers didn't want him to do stupid shit.

>>91158666
>There is nothing wrong with Hololive management
Most of them told viewers they had disagreements with management even while they were running damage control. They can tell viewers about small issues but it's obvious the major issues are off limits because of the NDA.

>>91164763
At this point Cover would legitimately Gura never stream than stream and say something that might damage her brand and affect her sales and usability as an icon. It's smart business. I'll bet all the girls who are dissatisfied or leaving are under similar pressure. Fauna and Ame have both talked about how they were banned from doing stuff that other girls could do because of "brand integrity" (bald cap attachment for Fauna, VRChat models for Ame)

>>91165278
Retard, Gura literally complained about getting bonked for doing things they considered a "brand risk" in her membership stream, it's why everyone is suddenly talking about it. Not one singular person gives a shit about your mancrush.

almost as if the EN scene and JP scene are completely different. No wonder some EN prefers to go to JP instead

>>91158666
>this shit again

>>91165427
It's either black or white. Gray is too much color and doesn't fit in brains the size of a bit.

>>91158666
>Whatever is going on, it is safe to say the talents are divided on their views toward management.
The division literally is as simple as: the girls and management are in agreement about what their "brand" is, and they have no problem doing whatever because Cover doesn't stop them or care
vs.
Cover wants them to be one thing, they disagree about it, Cover cockblocks them at every point to force them to toe the line, they graduate

>>91165648
>Gura literally complained about getting bonked for doing things they considered a "brand risk" in her membership stream
So Gura has adopted homo and homobeggar language? Into the trash she goes, not that she was worth much lately to begin with.

>>91165939
>Cover wants them to be one thing, they disagree about it, Cover cockblocks them at every point to force them to toe the line, they graduate
Your spin here vs. reality: Gura explicitly wanted to do react content and Cover told her to fuck off, they weren't risking the company itself with copyright claims and lawsuits.

>>91166084
This, men are subhuman and all their opinions are inherently wrong

>>91166084
>adopted homo and homobeggar language
It's a literal direct quote from management you absolute retard. Nobody "invented" the term, it's what all of them were told by management about why they weren't allowed to do stuff.

>>91158666
People really are desperate to find a fire where there isn't one. Chloe is too sick to do this job. Fauna likely didn't like some new terms added to her contract.

Reality is more boring.

>>91166281
>Fauna likely didn't like some new terms added to her contract
Knowing her it was probably something like "you must do at least one ASMR a year" or "you must not shit on your viewers and call them parasocial fucks and say you aren't friends" kek

>>91165648
She got bonked for calling out management after they fucked over her projects? What kind of shit is that?

>>91158666
>the successful side
>the failures thinking they can be the next doki side

>>91166366
Shit she made up.

>>91166426
I don't think in any capacity whatsoever can you claim that Bae is on "the successful side" and Gura is on "the failure side"

>>91166426
At least Doki streamed a lot till the very end of her job there. Nobody accused her of being lazy. Now compare when a company's laziest girl for years and years is the one who is acting like the biggest "pity me" cunt. I think this is a "you" problem Chumbuds.

>>91158975
>>91160333
You now remember Shiori "la creatividad" Novella defended management

>>91166534
One is happy doing what she is doing every single day and living her best life, one is apparently miserable and depressed if you bleieve Chumbuds. Only numbermonkeys can't understand why one is a better success than the other.

>>91166768
And yet you'll call Fauna a failure for being happier outside of hololive

>>91166426
?

>>91165555
>if they don't get petty memeshit ideas approved, they quit in a huff
Management are never wrong.

>>91158666
>1%
>1% (the same ones)
>99% explaining their actual situations
Yeah, I'm gonna believe the 1%

>>91158666
>schizo post
>666

you know, this "brand risk" excuse would have held much more weight if she actually did stream at all
fucking anything
as it is, it just sounds like a really shitty excuse

>>91166737
Honestly, if Shiori can get away with all the unhinged shit she does, then management isn't anywhere near as draconian as the quitters and grifters imply. For fuck's sake, they've never not let them take prolonged breaks from streaming, if they want to they can turn this shit into a borderline year-long paid vacation.

>>91165427
There is no NDA. That's a bullshit reason. It's simply bad PR or good PR depending on how you see it.

>>91167484
Not really. I can see how demotivating it is if you get smacked with such ominous and nebulous things "brand risk". She's always had an unhinged mind so it's quite believable.

>>91158666
Aren't marine's mvs too sexy? That should be considered brand risk.

>>91167706
Cover turned their heels on that and turned Marine into a sex icon for her brand. This works in their favor internationally.

>>91167502
Counterpoint: favouritism

>>91167502
The assumption that everything is the same for all the talents is not true. That was one of the big takeaways from these past statements from talents.
Everyone has unique situations and managers, right? That's why some are having it good when others don't.
Given this, it's not hard to see that Gura, probably one of their biggest sources of money, has some different standards when it comes to branding than most.

>>91167642
that's neither ominous nor nebulous, they have an established image and they don't want anything that would damage that image
just because they told her she can't shoot her brains out on stream doesn't mean she can't just stream normal things like everyone else does without an issue

>>91158666
>disagreement aired out in public
satanchama, this is called talent freedom™

>>91167502
Shiori is the leader of Advent and she might be using her status to do things different than usual.

It’d be nice to have some examples of rejected stream ideas.

>>91167858
>can't just stream normal things

One of the last collab streams with Myth had her joking about raping a dolphin. She is a weirdo with a sense of humor that some companies might see as offensive, hence the "brand risk" designation.

>>91167858
It is extremely nebulous, you must be joking. There is absolutely no guideline about what jokes or topics or ideas would be against the brand of Hololive. Do not even pretend like that is in any way clear, given all the things the different talents have done.
And it is ominous simply because it confronts the talent with this concept of corporation level existentialism. Act good or YOU GO AGAINST THE WHOLE SPIRIT OF THIS COMPANY YOU LOVE

>>91158666
No. You're still just making stuff up.

>>91167706
Marine, Matsuri, Aki, Noel, Choco, Okayu, Lamy, etc are the management-sanctioner.

>>91168138
So it sounds like it's her fault for being a fucking freak then??? Nobody else in hololive says shit like that, no wonder management has to suppress her. I bet Fauna is just as selfish and psychopath behind the scenes too. These girls want to ruin hololive image and suddenly management is evil for wanting to stop them?

>>91168138
Source or fuck off

>>91169717
>t orc

>>91163550
>and it does open the question about who is applying that pressure
I imagine this part of the post is a rhetorical question.

>>91168211
It's so weird, like I've seen unhinged shit but they have to limit it so it's a weird line. It honestly makes streaming more stressful because you have to entertain but avoid so many topics. No wonder she never streams, that doesn't sound fun at all

>>91158666
management is objectively retarded and thus at fault in every single scenario and i can prove it pretty easily
>spends a gorillion dollars making a new 3D studio
>dozens upon dozens of rooms fully equipped
>massive understaffing
>only 3 get used max
>some rooms are just collecting dust
>one is used exclusively for IRL guests
>literally was never a single reason either in terms of the here and now or future-proofing to expand the studio and spend tens of millions
give me a reason anons i've been thinking about this for the past week ever since it was confirmed but i haven't found a single fucking reason to think managers aren't anything but room temp IQ downsies

>>91171173
Source on some of this like 3 rooms?

>>91166435
Proof?

>>91171281
https://youtu.be/oDbY-jjTSY0?t=20389
they both lay it out pretty explicitly

>>91168211
Anon, that is retarded argument on the face of it: the absolute bare minimum would be, "don't say or do things that can get you demonetized on YouTube," because a business obviously needs to make money.

>>91170937
In a game where a a single mistake can turn into a rushia after all, No wonder they need a guide.
But there's always baby mode twitch. Can win just by sleeping! Announcement now.

>>91172015
You would think so, but holos say and do those things all the time. Do you even watch streams? How do you think clips became a thing? You think people are clipping mundane things a holo does?

>refuses to just work out their brand-damaging shitposting urges on their PL account
>meanwhile everyone is watching Noel fondle her tits while masturbating

>>91166361
bro is stuck in year 2022

>>91158666
We're gonna hit full on Nijisister levels of denial if there's another graduation that cites management disagreements.

OP is a fag

>>91173380
OP is handsome and could probably date your oshi

>>91164419
I see Holodrones are huffing copium now that someone has gone against the grain.

>>91173476
>implying cumbuds care about any other member of hololive
Now that's what I call copium.

>>91167810
then just ask for a different manager lmao. fucking hell im pretty sure the girls have the power to fire those fuckers themselves

>>91172109
so holos do it all the time but its also totally super mega banned to the point gombus can't even do a stream per month

>>91168074
Maybe once she graduates

>>91176608
never happening

How would (You) fix management, /vt/?

>>91158666
Something is rotten in the state of Hololive.

>>91158975
e-thots vs con-sluts

>>91158666
youtube HATES ASMR now
take a guess what fauna wanted to stream more.

>>91182785
pffAHAHAHAHAHA

>>91166084
"Brand risk" is such an old term that you have to be a fetus to have only heard of it now.

Is this a brand risk?

>>91182785
Graduation and returning to her PL wouldn't have solved this problem.

>>91158784
Fpbp

That said

>>91158666
Fauna apparently made the decision early like Ame. It may explain the doomposting that Bae, Calli and Gura alluded to. But Irys also stated that Fauna never stated when she was going to do it, so the announcement close to Chloe's wasxa shock.

I don't think there is a widespread disagreement like /vt/ schizos woulx like you to believe, but I do think there were other office politics at play as well. Consider the distancing between Kronii and Fauna despite Kronii having complained about management.

>"m-muh Fauna-Kronii ex lovers rrat!"

Oh fuck off with that. I think its more likely Fauna had a really big rage out moment with Kronii, hence why they avoid each other. In fact, I would not be surprised if Fauna's unwillingness to travel to Japan was also to avoid performing with Kronii

>>91189019
>they hate each other!!
lol

>>91189019
Considering the screenshots of their 7DTD collab, it looks like that it was Kronii who's avoiding Fauna and not the other way around.

>>91189627
Its kinda frustrating. At this point we can only speculate

>>91166426
Fuck you pekofrog poster.

>>91167502
Part of Shiori’s brand is being unhinged though so she doesn’t really count. I mean look at her design, it’s pretty clear being unhinged is supposed to be part of her image