/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>90991210
years too late but very welcome

>>90991210
StarsEN4 is never happening and they'll forever seethe about it.

>>90991210
Well, the canary's singing. That ain't good.

>>90991210
what countdown are they even on about

>>90991210
So are the girls that are overworked

On nyo

>>90991210
>don't buy merch
>don't engage with them
>don't watch them
>be toxic to the real moneymakers
>uuuuuuuh why are they not getting more shit?
Well guess what, cover will only invest more if theycan expect returns from it, for the last 5 years holostars has just been a massive blackhole of moeny where they NEVER get any returns in the many investments they made in them
Eventually even the incompetent morons in cover will realize its a doomed endeavour

>>90991467
for New Years. the other thing he mentioned was apparently their HoloGra equivalent

>>90991210
I think this gives more credence to the rrat that management has been trying to cut the fat, or so they believe, and they basically decided that Fauna was not a valuable asset seeing as she didn't hit 1M subs in 3 years, regardless of any other metrics that might be more reflective of value like live views, merch purchases, fanart production or community mindshare. My guess is they started slowly cutting her out of more and more stuff this year and delaying the projects she already had to oblivion as they deemed them lower priority. In a way they tried to make their own "judgement" a reality by making it more and more difficult for her to do anything.

This probably came to a head when they hit her with an ultimatum where she either permanently moves to Japan so she can be utilized without the overhead cost of dealing with an overseas talent, or they would not renew her contract, and she chose not to, so they "mutually agreed" to end her contract. They definitely were not expecting people to care so much or get nearly as much backlash as they did from the announcement, hence the backlash. I think they were surprised people seemed to care so much about a sub-1M talent, but they didn't realize how well she does in all the other metrics. Whoever did contract negotiations is probably now a head on a pike for fucking up.

>>90991576
As much as I love to believe management bad, it wasn't really on Fauna as much as Chloe. The JP investors have no idea who Fauna is or why she's so important.

>>90991524
the first one is definitely not true. They'll buy any plastic that Cover spit out

>>90991576
cover is preparing to sell, rip

>>90991210
Couldn't it just be that they're going to announce the homo countdown on a different day?

>>90991576
Too many words, all stupidity and retardation.
>Fauna was not a valuable asset seeing as she didn't hit 1M subs in 3 years, regardless of any other metrics
What the fuck is this mental gymnastics? ahahahahahhaa

>>90991732
They already posted their schedule. It's only a voice comic near midnight and two prerecorded variety streams where they went to an actual casino the day after.

>>90991210
So Homostars are being subjected to the old Japanese "We're not going to fire you, but we're going to make you so bored you'll quit." tactic? Year of the Unicorn incoming confirmed.

>>90991210
Condolences! The homos lost!

>>90991210
The monkey's paw curls.
They're now included in the Hololive Countdown.
Be careful what you wish for.

Oh, coincidentally, could this be why Za Cause man was seething?

As much as I don't care for homos I do feel a little bit sad for their fans if that's the case.

>>90991732
No, last year they announced them at the same time in the same post

>>90991911
He already explained pretty clearly why he was angry at cover.

>>90991524
>where they NEVER get any returns in the many investments they made in them
You have a source for that I'm sure

>>90991974
maybe they combined them (which I really hope is not the case)

>>90991911
EN wasn't part of it to begin with and hasn't ever really appeared on any stars related programs or events.

>>90992009
>>90977762
From hlgg:
gen 0 - 5
5 total
gen 1 - 4
9 total
gen 2 - 4
13 total
GAMERS - 3 (fbk not recounted)
16 total
gen 3 - 4
20 total
gen 4 - 4
24 total
gen 5 - 4
28 total
holoX - 5
33 total
ID 1,2,3 - 9
42 total
Myth - 4
46 total
Promise - 5
51 total
Advent - 5 (fwmc should count as two talents for this)
56 total
Justice - 0 (no 3d)
Regloss - 5
Flow Glow - 0 (no 3d)
61 total
Suisei said she wouldn't be in it this year

>>90991881
Kek. That would be offensive apparently

Why aren't there any shitpost threads about Mori going back to playing with homos and e celebs? I thought she was finally feminized?

>>90991210
this reminds me of baseball, where owners of shit teams don't actually invest in their teams to bolster their talent or coaching and then act shocked when their team is shit and use that as justification to not spend money on them

>>90991576
>1m subs
They better axe most of advent, justice and devis too after 3 years.

>>90992113
The last vcr wasn’t even that long ago. Nothing new

>>90992113
Who cares, it’s Mori.

>>90992113
Not even /#/ cares about that

>>90991576
yeah thats dumb as fuck buddy

>>90992163
>>90992165
Damn, she doesn't even have antis anymore. Fucking grim.

>>90992140
Shiori will hit 1 million subs in 3 years, all of Advent will. Council are the only EN gen that has failed that task

>>90992140
say hello to everyone getting axed.
>>90992220
Isn't calli still one of their highest earners? Not even including the universal deals and constant marketing, but even in superchats and memberships?
It's weird how /#/ always forgets about that part.

>>90992135
If the fans invested more the companies might invest more. No use sponsoring an empty stadium. By the way I've never watched a holo star, but I might try to. Didn't know things were sinking.

God I wish tako had just actually necked themselves like the said they would when Vesper quit. They've always been an insufferable faggot

>>90992307
Nihingo brothers...why are they such cucks? She's even doing those streams completely in Japanese.

>>90992113
Why can't you fags keep moris dick out your mouth

>>90992315
They did have one single concert. It completely sold out in minutes and had a pretty packed attendance.
The fans are clearly there. They just seem to be buying merch instead of watching streams.

>>90991576
Counterpoint: Kronii got dumped by Fauna

>>90992307
>Calli

>>90992348
There's the cuckbeat. There's so few of you nowadays, how are things going lil buddy?

>>90991210
Maybe, just maybe, a weak performing branch that stirred up one of the most extreme dramas in the EN community (Tempus) is in bad graces with management years later.

>>90991210
Maybe I spent too much time on twitter but I started feeling bad for the fans of the homos

>>90992386
Sorry, I forgot to use the super secret /#/ club word.
Mori. Does that make you feel better?

>>90991576
>Whoever did contract negotiations is probably now a head on a pike for fucking up.
How optimistic. Given the anonymity of management, they could have equally been rewarded for cutting loose a talent that they allegedly consider to be dead weight.

>>90992388
I remember when deadbeats were one of the biggest fanbases around. It actually depresses me that they’ve fallen so hard. And I’m one of the schizo deadbeats who unmembered around the condom money incident.

>>90991576
Schizo deflection

>>90991524
The merch thing is actually something that disgusts me about corpo vtubing. People are so easily scammed out of their money that they even make gachashitters blush. It's a great argument against letting people do what they want with their money.

>>90991576
Only part of this I buy is the Japan part. Fauna wasn't in last year's fes and was not going to be in this year's. I think they probably wanted something in her contract that she would have to do fes next year at least and she didn't want to travel or do any of the preparation necessary for that. So I do think it was a contract thing and her not wanting to travel. Chloe's body just couldn't continue on and she was probably traumatized by the covid thing.

>>90992113
numberfags have strangely given up on tormenting Calli. People were all over her clickbait thumbnails in a desperate attempt to boost her numbers in the face of her music label. Either she proved them wrong and gets good numbers, or they found new toys with Advent and Justice being superior catalog clickbait.

>>90991210
Women are weird

>>90992523
Real life has no safety net most of the time; I won’t tell anyone what to do with their money, I can only act as per my design.

>>90991540
the one cancelled due to low popularity ages ago?

I don't have anything against Holostars. Nothing wrong with male vtubers. But it's not my responsibility to watch them. Just like it's not mine to watch women's sports. Do it yourself ladies.

>>90992523
お客様は神様です
All merch is assumed to be egregiously poor in value and quality. You're not buying for the merch, you're buying to support the talent.

>>90991210
Show your reddit karma, only Redditors stalk this mentally ill vesyume.

>>90992713
I will never buy an acrylic stand.

>>90992577
I wonder who /#/ will latch onto now that they can't use Fauna anymore. Ironmouse? IRyS? ERB?
They basically lost their mascot. Does EN even have another 5view that actually streams often?

>>90991576
holy fuck you are dumb

>>90991210
>maybe if they invested in treating and managing the boys better they'd be doing better
Why are homobeggars so retarded? They've been shilled and pushed like hell for YEARS. With no growth to speak of after all's said and done. Why the fuck should they try to invest more in a branch barely anyone cares for?

>>90992523
And if you prevented idiots from spending their money on dumb bullshit, how do you expect to get wealth from the undeserving to those who actually deserve it?

>>90991911
He was upset at Cover because they sent him faulty tech for home 3d, and when he sent it back for fixing, they responded with 'it's impossible to fix' and sent them back. He tried opening the tech himself only to see it was completely dusty so Cover hadn't even bothered looking at it. Take notes 'Fauna was cut off for being unpopular' poster, this is what being actually cut off looks like

>>90992852
Biboo might get a bump after Fauna goes, but I doubt she will be 5view consistently. I think a significant number of saplings are not going to be regular viewers after jan 3.

Teammates seam to have followed Dooby.

>>90991210
I should start clipping the bois. If the sisters are content with just watching clips, that means I will get to ape all the engagement bucks without having to do shit besides scan their vods with AI-assisted vod scrapers and AI generated subtitles.

And thank god for that
The Aster situation and all the others show why males in Vtubing was a mistake. Get rid of them all and pray they never come back

>>90992937
they dont watch clips either

>>90992713
Mio hoodie is dope as hell though. Some of them are pretty cool, you can wear them in public and not sticking out like a sore thumb.

>>90992937
They don't watch clips. They just read the title and look at the thumbnail and somehow glean everything that happens in the clip from those alone (the accuracy of this method is notably fairly poor, which is why the comments under the clips often bear little resemblance to what actually happens in them)

>>90991576
You know what? I BELIEB

>>90992931
It would be so, so fucking funny if notFauna ends up becoming the largest youtube EN indie.
I love Doki and Holo, but that would just be actually hilarious for the top indie vtuber to just be a girl who likes streaming video games alone and not really much else.

YAGOOOOOO TERMINATE MORE HOLOEN MEMBERS NEXT YEAR AND I WILL FORGIVE YOU FOR THIS TRANSGRESSION

>>90993228
Wouldn't really surprise me. We are different market. And it already is like that. Fauna and Biboo just play games for the most part and get the most views. Bae can go dance her ass off and be almost a 3 view when she plays Yakuza.

But ccv isn't where the money is. Merch and concerts. I'm sure Fauna merch was plenty popular though.

>>90993293
Kill yourself

>>90992523
So you rather buying bits and sc like a real fucking streamerfag? Because those intangible thing are totally value for money.

>>90993523
You first

>>90992113
Too busy making threads about Niji's SighBoy, come back next week.

>>90992937
Remember to always use word UNHINGED in the title. It's their favorite word.

>>90992113
ERB is 10x worse and everything the #monkeys hate yet is one of the top performing Justice members.
Also they lost their mascot in Fauna so they don't have much ammo to work with these days

>>90993822
yea she sure is in top 4 best performing Justice members. Can't argue with that.

>>90991210
Yeah, as a measure to continue infinite growth. You may be happy about this now when they get cut off, but the floor will be raised and start affecting the bottom of the barrel holos in time.

>>90991576
>Fauna was not a valuable asset seeing as she didn't hit 1M subs in 3 years,
almost all of ID would be gone then by now

>>90991210
The writing on the wall...

>>90991576
They would have axed all of Promise if this were true.

>>90991210
Investors... based?

>>90991210
It's funny how you can tell which ones don't watch them at all because if retards like this watched them, or Hololive as a whole, at all they'd know how much stars have been shilled over the years.

>>90994319
nah money sucking leaches will never be based all investors should be shot into the sun

>>90991524
this

>>90992904
It was worse.
iirc it went
>Cover gets the tech for 3d
>They declare it faulty before sending it to him, say they'll try and fix it.
>4 months pass and he follows up saying just send it over to me since its taking too long.
>He gets the 'faulty according to cover' tech, troubleshoots it and fixes the issue in under a hour.
>The tech had dust on it suggesting they never even bothered to look at it themselves (and since the issue was easy enough he could fix it, that seems a fair guess)
Just seems like sheer laziness and incompetence on managements part really.

But then who will be blamed when the problems in Cover don't magically disappear once they're gone?

>>90994905
>magically disappear
Lessen, ftfy.

>>90994905
the retarded unicorns will finally correctly blame management

>>90994046
compared to EN, ID branch is dirt cheap to run.
plus they toe the company line.

>>90994905
Still them, unicorns will switch to saying they caused too much damage to recover

>>90993822
ERB can't even stream she will be out in a year

>>90991210
They already invested enough on the homos even to the detrimental of the girls and it was all for nothing. For the homos to succeed they need to collab with the girls but in doing so they harm their growth. There is a reason why the Niji-homos are way more popular than the girls. And with Cover going public they need to be more careful with not ruining what is working for them. if they don't bring in the money each quarter their stock will crash.

>>90994368
what
Stars, in its entirety, from both branches, has had one single live concert appearance.
I don't know where you got that idea from. The guys get jack shit.

>>90995527
3 actually
https://1stact.hololivepro.com/
https://2ndact-holostars.hololivepro.com/
https://holostars-movinon.hololivepro.com/

>>90991576
You are a retard that can't accept she wants out

>>90992415
Most extreme dramas? Are you seeing all those aster threads?

>>90992415
>a collab was an extreme drama
Have you seen Nijisanji this year?

>>90995967
I he's talking about Holo EN, and not EN chuubing as a whole.

>>90996043
You gotta understand, for them it was the equivalent of 9/11 everytime they happened.

>>90995527
kek
holostars defenders don't watch them at all >>90995751

>>90996346
Neither do I, I just Googled "Holostars concert" and clicked on Images

>>90992113
>Mori going back to playing with homos and e celebs?
Pardon?

>>90991210
Good.

>>90991210
>unironic homofag

I might actually laugh my ass off if they actually disband the branch somewhere in mid 2025

>>90991576
More like the investors would destroy YAGOO if he wasted even one penny on them.

>>90994167
>not even 10%
JUST

>>90992113
anyone that truly believed that feminization meme is retarded.
the homos she actually got along with left so she has no reason to hang around them or mention them

>>90994167
JESAS CHRIST THE GAP

>>90992937
>when antis work harder to clip your bois than you do

>CAN THEY PLEASE STOP TREATING THEM LIKE THIS?
SEGREGATION IS REAL AIEEEEEEEE

>>90992937
>with AI-assisted vod scrapers and AI generated subtitles
Wait anon are those things you speak of real?? No way right?

>>90992574
>Fauna wasn't in last year's fes
What schizo shit is this, she was there, she performed in ~6 songs, she performed with Aqua even. Roboco talked aboutspending time with her when recording her performance with her

>>90999633
There are definitely sites that will add subtitles to a clip for you, not sure about the other one

>>90991524
they watch clips and make drama, that's enough

>>90995527
How does this change the fact that they have been shilled for years?

>>90991210
one of the only things I've liked about cover going public is new investors asking why the homos were getting all that support

>>91000490
Good to know anon, do you happen to know a reliable site?

>>91000744
It doesn't, and he wasn't even right
>>90995751

>>91000801
OpenAI Whisper
https://subtitlewhisper.com/en

>>91000801
>>91001038
If you want to hardcode the subtitles, use this: https://www.happyscribe.com/subtitle-tools/hardcode-subtitles-video

>>90991210
I hope they start letting holos collab with completely unrelated men just to fuck with you specifically

Confirmed now
https://twitter.com/waffle_clips/status/1865007112159662175
https://twitter.com/waffle_clips/status/1865007112159662175
https://twitter.com/waffle_clips/status/1865007112159662175

>>91001115
They already do though? Have you not seen VCR GTA?

>>91001159
KWAB

>>91001038
>>91001087
BASED TECH GOD, Thank you

>>90991524
>massive blackhole of money
ragus already gutted this rrat

>>90992937
>AI assisted vod scrapers
links pls

>>91001300
You're welcome :)

>>90999633
>>91001511
NTA, not sure how well they work but ChatGPT has some YouTube video summarizers

I think Cover corp would have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they called it Holostars or Hololive Global. They called both branches EN which heavily implies, like Hololive IN that it will be one type of person (Indonesian in this case)
We have people from all around the world in anime costumes speaking English but they don't share our culture. They were raised on the internet so you have some weird idea of what the culture is without being a part of it. It's unreasonable to expect a Philippines (or any country) actor to understand the nuance of the Constitution.
On the flip side when it comes to fans, you got the older white internet inhabitants coming to check you out and realizing this isn't English speaking people talking to mysterious and fun Japan, it's a Super Smash Bros roster of a Global unit.
That's the core of why no one watches them. They advertise one thing and deliver another.
Outside of that, just play games.

A complete deletion of holostars in 2025 would unironically fix the entire vtubing industry

>>91002105
so are homostars irrelevant or not? you guys seem to change that thought depending on what narrative you want to feed off on

too late

>>90991210
I mean if they have to take the shareholders seriously they must be asking serious questions about if Holostars is worth the effort for like 1/10th the returns the girls are getting (if that).

Hold fast. Our patients will be rewarded. Project 2025 is a-go.

>>90991210

>>90991210
>we jus need more money for dem pro-grams
lmao

>>91001159
About time they realize how much of a failure that branch is and stop trying to shove them into everything.

>>90991210
Holo may give up on the stars, but Doki never will.

>>90991576
>Fauna not 1m subs, not valuable asset
>Ollie 1m+ subs, valuable asset
lmao

>Holostars dead
>BBC queen dead
>Aqua killed by accident due to tranny colors
Trump can’t stop winning. Thank you Mr President

>>90991576
Now this is a rrat

>>90991576
Fauna was also really bad at singing and never got any better because she’s been using a self admitted head voice her entire career.

>>90991524
>massive blackhole of moeny
Its been two years, i am still waiting for that proof seafag.

>>91003413
Sounded good enough to me.
Oh no our amateur singers we hired in bulk sound like amateurs.
Aw man.
Also
>Almost all Western talents running from Cover
>HALLO AMERICA PREASE ENJOY CONTENT
>runrunrungogogo
>runrunrungogogo
Freaky corp with anime people

>>90991210
If Yagoo lost Fauna to investors he for sure lost his personal project Homos

>>90991738
They clearly care about sub metrics else wish wouldn't be based on reaching 1 mill.

>>90991210
You fucker said that last time and we got picrel

>>91002320
your local town rapist is also irrelevant until he rapes someone
kill the tumor

>>91003459
You know >we shit on both NijiEN and HomoEN, right?

>>90995475
She is doing what investors want, song covers and audio projects, so no she won't.

>>90998923
It is like NBA and WNBA

>>90992113
Mori only liked those two that left, there were unironically fans of that group and she gets on average 20k ccv on those streams way more than what she usually gets. The rest of the homos are just not worth her time.

>>90991210
uh oh, anyway..

>>90994167
lol I remember the countdown from December 2022, fauna, bae and mumei did an offcollab watchalong and it had as much if not more CCV than the holostars side stream, like 9k.

>>90991210
And nothing of value was lost, starsisters deserve to get fuck

>>90991433
it's not?

>>91004362
uh-huh sure
or maybe she just got burned and doesn't want to risk that sh1t again

Finally some good fucking news.

>>91004709
Starsisters deserve NO fuck

So funny seeing starsisters on Twitter losing their shit

>Holostars is bad!
Okay, why?
>Because they're male!
Why is that bad?
>I don't want men interacting with women!
You realize that's sexist, right?
>They're sex pest creeps!
Based on what evidence? None? Guess we'll cycle back around to the top again.

These are how all Holostars threads pan out nowadays.

>>91005297
You’re right, they deserve to be raped

>>91005385
Seethe sister, better start archiving your oshi’s vods

>>91005434
>I don't have an argument or actually any basis for disliking Holostars, I'll just call you a "sister" and pretend I won the argument.
Say... Isn't this the same tranny logic Niji antis use?

>>91005385
>You realize that's sexist
Yes and?

>>91005529
uh oh having a meltdown?

>>91005385
>>91005529
your pngs aren't even transparent
wtf are you doing son

>>91006142
>I dont but
famous words of the homobeggar

>>91006230
>ERMMMM you don't watch le streams!??!!?!? I know I don't watch streams either because I post on /vt/ all day long but ERMMMMM why you don't watch le streams!?!?!?!?

>>91003169
the doki situation changed my view of them, used to not like them because "male vtubers bad" but then they stuck up for her and shut down JOP fans trying to shit on her when she needed support the most

if only these loud trannies on twitter actually watched their boiz to show actual support

>>90992307
>Shiori only above of 2 Regloss
Fucking Grim!!!!

>>91003459
>sold out 20ticket max
goodjob bro! mind if you could tell me what happened to taiwan koboxhomo karaoke concert?

Oh wait.. I remember, it was a disaster

>>91003896
KEK and they call non homo watchers as "minorities" btw

>>91006295
we watch hololive girls stream though
we are not the same

>>91005385
>Based on what evidence?
Gura went part time after Vesper started harassing and stalking her.

>>91002105
Based

>>90992415
lmao, not true because Armis is getting their 3D debut in January

>>91006295
Hit a nerve, huh?

>>90991210
Literal welfare branch. Just enjoy streams, superchat, buy merch, etc. and stop whining and they'll be able to do the shit the Holos do.
They'd rather just cry about da bois on twitter though.

>>91006688
Then after that? Then what?

>>90992482
>tourist seething because he got exposed

Many such cases

>>91002320
The main problem with homos is their retarded fanbase spewing heinous shit about holos and their fans 24/7.
Its a double wammy, they are irrelevant as in nobody watches them, most of the branches problem exist because of their lack of popularity.
On the other hand they have a wonderful fanbase that proudly claims to not watch them, but will always use them to degrade hololives culture, talents and fanbase.
Making them a net negative for the brand as a whole.

>>90991210
what kind of cope is "maybe if they invested in treating and managing the boys theyd be doing better" ?
NO. ONE. LIKES. WATCHING. MALE. VTUBERS. ACTING. GAY. TOWARD. EACH. OTHER. period

>>91006845
>The main problem with homos is their retarded fanbase spewing heinous shit about holos and their fans 24/7
I think this is just the holo fanbase in general
nobody hates on holo vtubers more than hardcore hololive fans, just look at the whole fauna situation

>>91006845
Based

>>91006900
Holy retard

>>90991576

>>91006295
You will very rarely find a Hololive fan who starts their posts about the girls with "I don't watch them, but...".
The facts that that kind of line was so common among HoloStars defenders made it both hilarious and sad

>>90991210
>the evil shareholder only wants money and nothing else
>stars take a long time to provide ROI
>in 2025 Cover will focus solely on the girls.
We're going back to the roots, I fear.

>>90991210
The early signs were there when they stopped getting unique merch and I think it was less recording time?

>>91006900
>nobody hates on holo vtubers more than hardcore hololive fans, just look at the whole fauna situation
It is supremely worrying that you cant differentiate between the mentally ill discord groups that camp this board with actual fans.

>>91006959
you actually know I'm right too, that you're literally the same thing as hardcore nijifags were when they were trying to villainize doki just with a different corpo

>>91007012
>The board where the most common insult is "watch streams"
>This apparently only applies to male vtubers, though

>>90991210
They spent 3 years investing a lot into the homos, even to the detriments of the girls (moneymakers) in some cases. They started imposing KPIs on the JP homos since sometime last year and it looks like they failed to meet them.

>>91006142
It never stops being hilarious how many of them go
>I don't watch the boys much
>I don't follow the guys much
>I don't watch the boys but
>I don't really buy any of the boys merch but
>I mostly watch clips to support the boys
and then they cry, bitch and shit their pants over how unfair it is that the girls (whose viewers actually watch them, buy their merch and attend their events) are the priority and blame the girls as well as fans of the girls for da bois being shitters. Why? Because it's easier to blame others than admit to themselves that no one fucking cares about their faggots.
These kind of subhumans don't even try to hide the fact that they're just antis either because they always find some way to insult the girls in the process. Fuck them all. They don't even deserve scraps.

>>91007084
Most of the time people don't tell those who defend the girls to watch stream. They tell shitposters to

>>91007080
Holy retard.

>>91007012
>"I don't watch them, but..."
As soon as ANY Holostars “fan” says this, I toss their opinion out the window because they basically confirmed that they don’t know much about them. I understand not watching every stream but come on

Since this is a number monkey thread, why is Council/Promise the only generation across the entirety of Hololive with fairly equal sub counts? There's only like a 10% difference between the top and the bottom. Every other gen in every branch has outliers for both high and low subs.

>>91007123
Homos are lucky they were Yagoo's pet project. If any department in a normal company constantly underperforms for years with no solid vision of future while taking resources off the much more successful department(s), they would have gotten canned long ago

>>91007175
Why are you calling them subhumans because they don't have time or money to support an entire branch of vtubers?
>>91007183
There are numerous examples of low-ranking female vtubers who had to close up shop due to no viewers. You just ignore them because it suits your narrative.

>>90991210
I can potentially see Cover throwing out the JP star branch but the EN? Not sure.

these people are delusional

>>91007279
We're not talking about 1view indies retard

>>91007279
If you knew English and had any semblance of reading comprehension you'd see I called them subhumans for being antis of the girls.

>>91007317
>Devan
oh this bitch. Isn’t she the same person that bragged about how they turned Vanta “good” by making him take down a McDonalds post?

>>91007255
All of them are roughly equal with different strengths and weakness. There isn't any superstar that massively outperforms others while being healthy and ambitious, but there isn't any runt with no redemption point either

>>91007058
this is another funny thing that holofags and nijifags do, whenever a large segment of the fanbase does something nasty and they have to gets corrected for it, they deflect and say that they weren't real fans all along. kind of like the whole "that wasn't real communism" thing

>>91007056
>>91007123
Nah, if you actually watch streams from what Astel and Towa talked it seems Cover studio still is heavily understaffed. That is probably the reason why the reduction in general of 3D events and even the cancellation of a second season of Hoshimatic project. And after lurking reviews about people working there is seems that many complain about the workload and extra hours. Which is a big deterrent to hire new people and thus the extra hours for the staff keeps pilling up and then people don't want to work there and ...

>>91007219
>>91007258
Friendly reminder that Cover doesn't treat Holostars with any respect anymore and so the men have openly expressed disdain for the company during their non-member streams. There are numerous VODs up right now where this happens, and even Regis has aired his grievances. You can cope and say this is a sign they don't "deserve" to be in the company since they're being disrespectful but the precedent that Cover prioritizes them over the girls hasn't been true for over two years now.

>>91007352
Ah yes, because antis are always "homobeggars" and anyone who expresses any amount of sympathy for Holostars falls into one of those two groups. Fuck you.

>>91007279
>There are numerous examples of low-ranking female vtubers who had to close up shop due to no viewers
Was talking about Hololive, not those numerous "low-ranking female vtubers"

>>91007375
>cancellation of a second season of Hoshimatic project
Wait, I thought it was still happening.

>>91007408
Remember when a Holostar graduated earlier this year and everyone pretended he deserved it and then it was followed by multiple Hololive graduations? And instead of acknowledging that maybe something was wrong internally people just acted like everything was fine?

>>90991467
countdown for the end of their careers

>>91007317
this tranny was also part of the people harassing one of the homos for eating mcdonalds too kek

>>91007279
>if you dont watch 1view indies you hate hololive

>>90992509
>schizo admits he's a schizo
>expects people to take his perception of reality seriously
now that's actually some /vt/core posting

>>91007384
>Ah yes, because antis are always "homobeggars"
Yes, the ones who insult the girls are invariably homobeggars who bemoan how Cover doesn't do enough to support their precious bois in favor of the girls, despite Cover having shilled and promoted them for fucking years. Maybe your ilk should try not being filthy subhuman antis of the girls just because no one cares about your bois.

>>91007384
Their treatments seem to be worse than before, but they are still getting treated way better than what they deserve.
It's not a matter of them getting prioritized over the girls (well, outside of Twitter). Getting equal treatment is already too good for them. I'm fine with them getting salaries or free equipment (i.e: mocopi), that's fine, Cover has more than enough spare money for it, but it's a lot harder to accept that they are still taking up studio time when it's packed and several girls had to look for external studios for their projects

>>91006833
>tourist
>spacing
>many such cases
youre the tourist here clearly

>>90991576
>top CCV in Gura's absence
>top Promise merch, top4 EN merch
>top SCs only behind FWMC, maybe would be behind Mori if she wasn't turning SC sometimes and playing Fromslop where you can't have them at all
>unique EN scene reach, referenced by big channels not related to vtubers more than any other Holo, even Gura
>but not valuable asset because 1m subs hort
kek

>>91007580
What happened to "Anyone who insults the girls is a Niji or Phase stan?"
Why are you now promoting this narrative when all it does is lead to infighting?

>>91007470
Multiple Hololive graduations for different reasons?
And what does that have anything to do with HoloStars fans not providing any proper support for their oshi (not even watch them which should be the bare minimum), yet want others to?

>>91007463
Well, look around and there are not signs about it. Even Suisei is very vague about it.
And it's not a surprise considering that Cover can only keep staffed two 3D room studios. At least the music booth don't seem to suffer the same problems or at least not to that extent.

>>91007690
There is a gigantic overlap between nijisanji, phase and homostar fans

>>91007700
It's not happening because Suisei literally dosent have the time to do one. She is in like 6 concerts from now to the first 3 months of next year.

>>91007470
>Remember when a Holostar graduated earlier this year
Gamma case is totally different. He was terminated and nobody knows why. And considering his behavior before that he was a hard ride or dier of Cover and the Stars branch.

>>91007684
>top CCV in Gura's absence
Fair enough
>top Promise merch, top4 EN merch
Wrong on both count
>top SCs only behind FWMC, maybe would be behind Mori if she wasn't turning SC sometimes and playing Fromslop where you can't have them at all
Wrong again
I don't hate Fauna and if I have to pick, I definitely love her since she is my oshi's friend, but come on, you don't need to make things up that can be easily checked with a brief look at /#/ (aka /uuu2/) archive or numberfags sites

>>91007697
>Random contextless Twitter faggots account for literally every single person who has ever acknowledged the existence of Holostars
I can predict your next response. You're gonna say something to the effect of "We have so many examples of this behavior" meanwhile it's just more random Twitter faggots and NOOMBERS. Because in your world men have zero actual impediments to success as vtubers, there is no inherent anti-male bias, and it's 100% the fans' responsibility to fund Holostars out of their own pocket. Since as we all know "watch streams" means to become a loyal paypig and this entire hobby is full of cynical niggers.

>>91007375
Cover needs to offer higher wages if they want techs. This isn’t California where the whole place is crawling with techs looking for work.

>>91007817
According to rrats, he was caught using weed, at least according to ernoul

>>91006386
One of the things that the boys did right. They have been very supportive of Sayu in their PL too. But being good person doesn't mean being entertaining sadly.
>>91007384
If Hololive can't treat them right they should all graduate and go indie. It turned out really well for dooby, mint, kuro, matara,...

>>91007907
>Dooby
Doesn't stream.
>Mint
Fell off.
>Kuro
Broke immersion.
>Matara
Who?

>>91007833
She regularly outsells the rest of Promise, and it's Gura > FWMC > Ina > Fauna

>>91007872
>ernoul
Opinion discarded. And that is wildly different with the JP rumors that he was doing work as an illustrator for another corpo.

>>91007838
Classic homodefender not knowing that his homo was terminated not graduated.

>>90991353
StarsEN3 should've never happened, they should consider themselves lucky

>>90992523
retard

>>91007935
they all doubled their corpo CCV and makes much more money now whether you want to accept it or not.
I'm just saying Holostars should graduate. I'd bet my left nut that Roberu would get better CCV outside of Hololive

>>91008030
Classic holobrony who thinks affiliate and graduation aren't synonyms

>>90992904
>>90994874
If anything this backs up Fauna's issue. And a few more EN's. They're hiring managers who work less a week than fucking internet streamers.

>>91008045
Why? Because flips?

>>91007838
Their success, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with my post. I wasn't even talking about HoloStars themselves.
The issue is that, indeed as you predicted, there are so many posts about HoloStars started with the kind of "I don't watch them, but..." line. If you want others to support your oshi, you should start by supporting them first. Watch stream, SC, and buy their merchs. Set an example. If even those who love them the most can't bother watching them, why should anyone else?
Unrelated to my previous posts, but obviously men can be successful in streaming scene. Male idols have proven it. Luxiem has proven it. If Stars supporters watch them, maybe they can, too.

>>91008111
Because HolostarsEN as a whole was a mistake, and letting that mistake run for 3 gens is baffling.

>>91008104
And like Fauna he should graduate to get better treatment!!
Indie male vtuber is doing very well these days, Shoto just hold his own live concert!

>>91008158
You type like a faggot

>>91007988
>She regularly outsells the rest of Promise
Merch-wise, Mumei outsells Fauna majority of time in general. More so on big merchs (i.e: birthday / anniversary) where even IRyS can match / outsell Fauna.
>Gura > FWMC > Ina > Fauna
In general (counting both personalized merchs and standardized merchs), Gura, FWMC, Ina, Mori, Mumei outsell Fauna most of the time

>>91007849
The problem is the job market is looked at videogame adjacent so there is a lot of places with competitive salaries and a lot of chances of grow in the industry. Something that Cover maybe doesn't offer.
That is probably the reason why they don't turn off the lights of HoloEarth. To show a semblance of "importance"

>>91008191
Eigo jouzu desu

>>91008231
I'm not a HoloStars member, sister

>>91008070
>I'd bet my left nut that Roberu would get better CCV outside of Hololive
Roberu has basically a staff position in Cover. Why would he leave?

>>91008158
This the biggest difference between the Holo and Homo fanbase, fan outreach.
Hololive grew through word of mouth, fans would share compilations and clips of their favorite moments and make recommendations based on people’s preferences on who they should watch.
The homo fan base seems more concerned about circlejerking each other in their discord and posting on twitter about how underrated or neglected the homos are.
This isn’t to mention how they burned a lot of goodwill in late 2022 by constantly attacking Hololive fans who were complaining about lack of streams and were asking for a gen 3 .

>>91007690
>you
I have never once said that so I don't know why you're accusing me. Go bring it up with the ones who've actually said that.

>>91007935
>Mint
>consistent 5k ccv
>fell off
What drugs are you on

>>91008346
Gomenasai english third language
I actually watch HoloJP streams btw. Unlike most self-proclaimed star fans
Uyu being a literal 2-views never stopped being funny for me.

>>90992307
>near total ID death
>total DEV_IS death
>total homo death
>YAGOO DEATH
This is the best thing that could possibly happen.

>>91008269
You have some outdated info because Mumei is doing worse on average for most merch in 2024 due to her general absence, while Bae upped her merch game thanks to idol activities. Fauna still outsells them both on most merch. Mori is rarely even in consideration. There was no good data for bday/anni for over a year, not everyone is doing limited, and we don't know the total.

>>91008389
Just an example of someone who will easily double their viewership in the case they leave.
But people who are being ill-treated like Altare and Axel should definitely leave. Doki and the indie scene would welcome them with open arms.
I think Altare and Axel deserved much better treatment.
And so does the rest of HolostarsEN. They should graduate too. Hololive is clearly not respecting them

>>91008616
What happened to Axel?

>>90991576
judging entirely by the responses to this post, i believe you are dead on the mark and completely correct.

>>91008666
His covers get rejected by management after spending money already.

>>91008666
While they cancelled countdown. They still have end year events for Holostar this year
not a single EN is invited. Hololive clearly don't give a fuck about the branch anymore.

I don't expect Axel to magically have better treatment than Altare. He probs have a lot of grievances with the company, just never vocalized it or lost in member streams. Same case with fauna

>>90991576
That's pretty close to the stereotypical Japanese corpo strategy of "avoiding directly firing people by passive-agressively making them want to quit on their own". This applies to most Japanese companies, not only vtubers or entertainment.
>>91005385
Which Holostars do you watch regularly?

>>91008766
holostars isnt hololive

>>91008571
No, I'm looking at 2024 numbers from both /#/ archive and reddit, with some as recent as Oct (ENReco). In fact, I don't even know where you get that "Mumei is doing worse on average" because she has been outperforming Fauna on almost everything I looked at.
Do you have any figure?

>>91007175
The reality is that most beggars only want to support the boys for aesthetic reasons. They want to "own the incels" because that's what they align with from a political and cultural perspective, but they don't actually find holostars interesting enough to support on their own, so they want them to collab with the hololive girls so there's someone on screen who is interesting enough to keep their attention while still being able to tokenly say that they are supporting holostars.

>>91008911
Any merch number cited for 2024 is make up bullshit because hololive changed how the tracking work anon. Noone can definitely track them anymore.
Any number from 2023 and before shows Fauna massively outsell everyone else from HoloEN by far.

>>91008911 (Me)
For example, for ENReco
>Acrylic stands
>Gura 462
>Mococo 403
>Fuwawa 402
>Mumei 393
>Ina'nis 372
>Nerissa 362
>Fauna 352

>Metallic charms
>Gura 403
>Ina'nis 309
>Mumei 304
>Fauna 293
Fauna outsell Moom on some merchs (i.e: Omocat skateboard), but in general Moom outsell Fauna most of the time

>>91008854
>Which Holostars do you watch regularly?
None. That's the answer you wanted, after all. You "won" because an anonymous person took your cute little bait.

>>91005529
>ours herself
Naruhodo. Neck yourself immediately.

>>91008149
You need to spend money and watch streams to be a cashcow.

>>91009096
2023 Data isn't all that different, anon. For example, a quick and random look through the archive (keywords being "Mumei Fauna sold") show me posts like >>63687254 or >>52563811 by the end of 2023

>>91009342
>459
Clearly popular demand right there. More support for da bois right now!

>>90991576
>They definitely were not expecting people to care so much or get nearly as much backlash as they did from the announcement
The announcement didn't cause the backlash, it was her begging to not get executed by Cover that got everyone riled up.

>>91008616
>Just an example of someone who will easily double their viewership in the case they leave
Not true because Gamma is not doing so hot this days, or Fagni in the case of EN.
Kira and Kaoru for example simply disappeared from the scene.
Vesper is doing ok but even if he keeps a good core of his viewers, he isn't getting double of his numbers as the Orc.
The only reasonable example of this is Suzaku and he leave the Vtuber scene totally (and in fairness he was in there like 5 minutes) to become a flesh streamer.
The reality is that the fame as a Vtuber is very flickering.
At one point Fuma was one of the most popular Vtubers and the most popular male VTuber and now he is under the average of Holostars.

>>91009112
1. Those number are entirely made up. Just ask the OP himself. I did. Hololive changed the website during early 2024 and you can't accurately track anymore, it's all guesstimates

2. Even if they were true. Kiara bottomed every table. Why wouldn't they get rid of her instead? All she does is complains

3. And the biggest anti-thesis of them all. Chloe is hololive #1 super chatter for years now.

>>91009096
>outsells everyone else from HoloEN
Straight up false
>>91008911
Mumei is doing worse than 2022 and 2023 but it's because Fauna inclined while she didn't do much with her channel, that being said they are still pretty close, the merch ranking is:
Gura, Fuwamoco, Ina/Fauna/Mumei, Bae
The third place is hard to say because as you said sometimes Fauna outsells Mumei, sometimes Ina both, sometimes Mumei.

>>90991210
KEK

>>91009561
You are arguing that they get rid of Fauna because she's "only" top 5 in the branch. I hope you know that.

>>91009651
I'm not, that's retarded.

>>91009544
shhhhhhhhhhhhh Holostars are great talents and definitely don't own their success to being in Hololive.
They get 1 less concert and beggars cry about not being respected.
If they want to be respect. Then get the numbers to back it up. If they think they worth more than what hololive can offer them, then graduate.

>>91009548
>Why wouldn't they get rid of her instead? All she does is complains
I didn't and I don't think anyone outside of shitposter would've believed that Cover intentionally got rid of Fauna (or any girl for that matter), anon.
I just disagreed with the other anon who claimed that Fauna was the very top of EN / Promise. She has amazing average CCV, that is true, but she isn't the top of EN (or Promise) when it comes to other metrics like SC, merch sales, total VOD views or subs (she still does well, though, just not the very top)

>>91008911
Pic related skateboards Fauna sold out within a week right before Ina, Bae I saw someone post that she sold her last one just a day or two ago.
Her plushie sales also always solid, at least as far GJ is concerned.
Mumei outsold her during ENreco but was doing worse for pretty much anything else for a while now, they were more or less matched early in the year, but Fauna got a lead after that. Bae managed to sell faster than either only on beegsmol plushies rerun (thanks to her idol buff, and more people got Fauna/Mumei on the first run).

Makeship plushies
Fauna: 1553
Bae: 1397
Mumei: 1205
Kronii: 1044
IRyS: 862

And even let's assume that she is only matched with Mumei, not stronger. It still makes her one of the top merch pushers, not something Cover would want to get rid off.

>>91008571
anon, the pure retardation of your assumption comes from the fact you compare people who don't even have identical merch lines
what's the point of saying Fauna/Mumei have like 20% more acrylic sales on some general sales when at the same time Myth girls that are lower than them will have 2 more merch lines, voice drama and a sponsorship going at the same time
Fauna and Mumei were absent in nearly every voice pack release which are repeatedly cited as one of the most profitable lines for corpos simply through lack of delivery/storage cost, how do you think that stuff is perceived by the pencil pushers

>>91009112
>>91009394
>>91009548
>>91009561
>>91009762
/#/ monkeys go back to your containment zone

>>90991210
>"year of the unicorn"
>immediately starts with unicorn favourite Fauna graduating
Lmao no

>>91009751
No, I'm actually defending them. Because you can be talented and getting shitty views. That is basically the story of Miko her first 2 years in Cover or many 2 views like Biboo. At some point you need someone with clarity to lead the branch and is obvious that since 2 years or more the Stars branch is aimless. And you can't left to their talents as their own device without a reasonable level of support. Something that Stars doesn't have because even Hololive barely has it.

>>91009544
>Not true because Gamma is not doing so hot this days
Really? I thought he seemed fine though shorts are well… shorts and probably don’t pay as much compared to actual streams

>>91010018
I agree that Hololive is aimless and they can't just left talents to their own devices
That's why the Stars should graduate.
Because Hololive made it very clear with this Countdown is that the future aim is cost-cutting. And they also made it very clear with the Altare situation that they don't give a shit about him.

>>91007317
Anyone who uses a tilde is a massive MASSIVE faggot

>>91010481
Unless you want that Hololive becomes Niji 2.0 where staff only exist to support the the top 8 talents you should never wish for this.
And like someone post above, the problem is the studio is understaffed so they can handle multiples recordings or 3D events.

>>91010651
When Hololive no longer needs to cater to the stars. The staffs and studio/3D time invested into the Stars can go to help the bottom hololive girls instead.
Never asked Hololive to do the same to the girls.

>>91010481
>Altare situation
Management not doing their job isn’t a good thing anon. Especially not when it’s the reason Fauna is leaving. I don’t know how retards look at the Altare shit and not see it as a red flag for the company’s management as a whole.

>>91010927
Cover really got lucky with Gura/Myth/Covid and thought they were hot shit.
The same could be said for all Vtuber corpos sure but my point stands.

>>90991210
looks like even their own fans gave up on them

>>91010927
I'm just saying all the fans outrage regarding Altare has managed to do is Hololive cancelling Countdown.
The company clearly no longer gives a shit about the branch or its fan. Their is no avenue for growth as a star and he should just leave.
Only by having a talent leaving can trigger some changes to Hololive management. Fauna's leaving will definitely impact the way Hololive is ran for the girl. Polka actually confirmed Hololive has already shifted their directions to be more in live with the girls after Chloe/Fauna's leaving
Altare should do the same for the Stars. Without enough talent leaving Hololive would never change their stances.

>>91010811
Are you aware that this year even the girls are not getting support even with Stars getting less and less. Because the problem is not for a policy but for the lack of competent staff. Cutting cost never stop with only ones but with all. You don't want to reach the point when girls that make less than Ruze, Hakka and Bettel start getting ignored and left to die. Because that is the line we are talking about if you want the Stars branch cut.
and of course I know you are a shitposter and will keep contorted yourself and moving the goal

>>91011250
>Are you aware that this year even the girls are not getting support
It ended with Ame/Aqua/Fauna/Chloe making a stance by graduating. Management has to rethink what they do after continuously losing their biggest earners for the Hololive side

For the Holostars, despite all their complaining. Noone has the balls to graduate. Nothing will change because Hololive will think Holostars is perfectly content/comfortable with the "support" they are currently getting

P.s: Excuse me, I have never moved the goal once in my opinion. Holostars should graduate is what I have been saying since the start.

>>91011467
So you are just simply shitposting

>>91011025
I agree with you on that. Cover grew too big too quick and clearly doesn’t know what to do with it.
>>91011114
If the homos aren’t making Cover money then one or more leaving isn’t going to do anything so I don’t see your point.

>>90991576
>she didn't hit 1M
l fucking mao, no wonder she was salty as shit with that, 'we not friends' speech.

>>91003896
Holy shit I forgot about this

>>91011250
>>91011670
pretty funny you are calling me moving the goalpost when it's you who did it every time

(You): Holostars is being unfairly treated
(Me): Agreed that they are being unfairly treated, they should graduate
(You): But what about Fauna
(Me): Yeah she's graduating and so should Holostars
(You): But what about the underperforming hololive girls
(Me): They could get the staffs Holostars is having. Holostars should graduate
(You): You don't want management to get comfortable with mistreating talents
(Me): And that's exactly why some of the girls graduated, to make management change their mind. Holostars should graduate.
See how consistent my stance is, it never changed once. While you keep moving the goalpost and finding another angle.
>>91011722
My point is that I agreed with what every Stars fan are saying that they are unfairly treated, Hololive doesn't deserve them and they should graduate.

>>91011670
anon you are talking to an unicorn whose entire agenda is getting rid of holostars.

>>91011950
You are responding to different persons. Holy shit. How stupid you are.
Also Altare leaving will not change anything because he is no longer in the top. You want something similar to happen in stars you need that Ruze, Bettel and Hakka to leave. The guys that make more than even other girls.
Because tat is your plan, let the underperformers die and just keep the "important" ones afloat.
So said goodbye to all ID minus Kaela and Zeta.

>>91007084
wrong board frogfaggot

>>90992307
>shiori at 600k
What the fuck I was expecting her to 1.5M at least

>>91012472
...
Why?

>>91012436
>you need that Ruze, Bettel and Hakka to leave
Sure they can leave.
>let the underperformers die and just keep the "important" ones afloat.
No, my plan is getting rid of all the homobeggars. And that girls are no longer forced to collab with the males. The holostars fan are a cancer to the hololive community. The ID fans have been very well behaved so far.

>>91012436
you are trying to equate forced homo collabs with ID girls just because of "bad noombers"
Noone cares about the numbers, I just want the homo gone.
They do deserve better anyway. Altare would definitely flourish as a flesh streamer. He has connections with Sykkuno and offlineTV and all the big twitch streamers. The only thing holding him back is being in Hololive.

>>91012565
She seems to be far more popular considering how much she's talked about and mentioned (both in /here/ and outside)

>>91010811
You anons need to know this logic doens't works

>>91012953
where is this outside?
Shiori is notorious for not doing collab. At all, not even with Hololive members. She prefer to keep her numbers small and her community closed and