/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

But I thought they weren't forced to do anything?

>>90837972
You know shit's bad when the workaholics are feeling overworked.

marine has joined the resistance

>>90837972
I wish the girls would keep this shit to themselves. They're here to sell an experience. Management talk breaks that immersion.

>>90837972
it's a part of being an idol, no one forced them to join the idol company

>>90838364
Ok Suisei.

>>90838364
Holy bootlicker

>>90838364
>>90838469
>anons when they see a corporate boot

>>90838364
its literally the most relatable thing possible to talk about when talking to their biggest audience of salarymen

>>90838364
Please let me creampie you, fox-sama

>>90838364
i wish you would keep shit like this to yourself. We're all here to sell an experience. Management talk breaks that immersion.

>>90838074
If girls are sleeping in the studio I doubt it. Worst case scenario which I doubt is true would be that they are being worked to the bone with singing and dancing practice and recording.
The logic being: they are virtual idols. They don't have to travel to where the audience is. Meaning less expense, more time to practice and record, no need to allocate travel time/expenses.

>>90838729
is this management larping as a random anon? That's low even by JP standards

Try not to attack Marine of all people when she eventually leaves, holoturds.

>>90838250
>Marine
>Workaholic
Lol
Lmao even

>>90840134
I'll fucking do it now you spastic faggot. Fuck your fake disingenuous hag slut

>>90837972
Fubootlicker BTFO

>clip not posted
>screenshot out of context
>liggers biting like piranhas
the usual

>>90838074
Pressured to release a statement supporting the company, pressured to fly to Japan for a days work

>>90837972
her boobs looked humongous on the thumbnail

>>90838074
Marine doesn't stream so clearly they aren't forced to do that.

>>90838328
>Fauna, Mumei, Gura, Marine
Who else?

>>90840493
>Ina is in
>Laplus is in
>Iroha is in
>Shion is in
>Botan is in
>Chloe is in

>>90840679
>>Chloe is in
Actually Chloe is out anon, did you not get the memo?

link the clip

>>90840493
>>90840679
thanks, just unsubbed to all of them

>>90840493
>>90840679
Peko, but not because she hates management, but because she’s fundamentally opposed to any faction that’s headed by Miko, Suisei, and Fubuki.

>>90837972
>doesn't stream

>>90840888
>>90837972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHl3IsnYTJI

>>90841092
>>90837972
Well that was nothing, wish she got more specific then a bunch of emails

>>90837972
Workers at GAFAM and Tesla work overtime.
High salaries come with a lot of hard work.

>>90838074
>>90839178
the problem is probably not that they're being worked to the bone all the time but work piles up to an insane amount in a short period of time. Work that by technicality, they chose to do
Say they want to do a 3D live, shit like that is planned and scheduled at least half a year in advance. Then when the booked studio time comes, management suddenly comes to them with other works with an absurdly short deadline like voicepack, sponsorship, paper work, that they also opted in a while ago without knowing the exact schedule. All of it, technically is what the talents chose to do but because of the incompetency of management, schedule goes to shit and talents get pushed to the point of affecting their health. Then they get sick but work keeps coming and bad becomes worse

>>90838328

>>90842220
>Fubuki
>Resistance
roru
rumao even

>>90842220
>count fubiki

>>90837972
Behead
All
Satans

>>90838364
I wonder who’s behind this post…

>>90841839
this is my headcannon, management hate

>>90841839
Please forgive me if I have little sympathy for the highly paid women having to work hard.

>>90842864
this anon has not traded his soul for corpo mismanagement yet. Once you enter the workforce, you'll get it

>>90842864
Jealousy is for women anon. Be better

>>90841839
>accepts jobs blindly
>don't do anything because no one is telling you what to do
>regrets it
In any line of work, that's just your own damn fault, kek.

>>90837972
GRIM

Someone post the hololive pyramid moving meme

>>90838364
When did you learn English?

>>90842994
if the girls just sit on their hands waiting for deadline to come then sure, it's their fault but sometime you literally can't do it even if you're free. Shit like voicepack need script, 3D need studio time, paperwork literally needs the paper to work with. All of it need to go through management first and if management is incompetence shit hits the fan real fast

>>90837972
Didnt Subaru say like 3 years ago or even 4 years ago that she changed like 3 managers before she found a good one? She openly said that one of her managers was trash.
I think this is the case of hiring bad managers, and not the entire corpo being "le black".
>>90838665
On the other hand, theres drama trannies like yourself that call any corpo ever black, just because they had one talent graduated for literally any reason ever.

>>90840203
>Fuck your fake disingenuous hag slut
Dont have to tell me twice.

>>90843339
Gen 4 also went through a bunch of mangers. For the jp side getting a new manager is much easier. The EN's though are kinda fucked in that part because they need a manager that speaks EN/Jp while living in japan which is rare and someone willing to take the pay that comes with it because im sure there are jobs that pay more than what Cover is offering.

>>90840134
Holodrones have no morals, they'll attack a toddler if it shit on Holo management

>>90843225
>accepts jobs blindly, again
>don't do anything because no one is telling you what to do, again
>regrets it, again
So this is why these women needs managers. They're literally incompetent outside of anything besides being stupid on screen.

>>90838364
Management should be lined up and shot

>>90842407
It’s an old meme

>>90842864
>It's okay to be abused if the pay is good
It isn't even that good. Laplus and Towa are chronically broke

>>90843950
This is probably true. I assume Cover pays EN managers more just because of that but that leads them not hiring more.

>>90842220
Fubuki twist villain confirmed

>>90838250
Clearly. Marine is just a lazy, entitled American

>>90844349
Towa...

>>90843950
A lot of problems would be solved if they had an actual proper US/English branch and office. Instead of just the talents under an English branch, they need an entire Cover US sister company that can work in a way more tailored to western regions and with less JP autism

>>90845042
I dont see Cover handing talent management over to the US branch.

>>90839404
Bro Nijisanji was caught using bots to post in /vt/

>>90837972
Show me where to lick on the boots, fuck the pirate whore

>>90844794
yeah fuck those burgers with their self respect and their freedoms, live breath and die for the corpo

>>90845427
>fuck the pirate
I already do and will continue to do so

Just let the girls STREAM

>>90845872
Not until they finish their 30hrs of recording that they would end up redoing because its not up to par.

>>90844349
You can be paid a million usd a year and still be "broke" if you manage it poorly. There's a fat line between rich and broke, sure, but anyone who eats nothing but delivered food isn't poor.

>>90840931
nice joke sister

>>90837972
havent kept up with virtual shit for a while besides den of tools. so whats the deal why cant they just do this without a pimp? when will vtubers finally become hobbyist tubers that just run the entire show. 900 seconds to post, christ dude

>>90837972
>>90841092
>I got 12 emails in an hour
>workload problem
CHRIST ARE YOU SERIOUS?? That would be the easiest job of my life

>>90846041
yeah it's obvious no one even watched the clip

>>90838074
Here's how things actually work.
If you dont actually want to do anything ever and just slob around and collect free paychecks? You can do that, cool

If you want to do ANYTHING like release a song, do ASMR, do an animated video, do a sponsored stream, play a specific game with rights issues, create an album, have a concert etc etc you're going to have to do 500 meetings that could have been an email but instead becomes an interrogation because of the nexus between jap corporate autism and investor faggotry

>>90845990
>They're rich, they're just retarded

Heavy amount of cope

>>90846193
>>90846041
?
She was talking about getting 12 messages in an hour while renewing her driver's license. It is obvious she said the workload thing and then changed the topic.
Ever the bootlicker

>>90846404
Is it? Laplus has said she doesn't have a lot of money because she pours it back into personal projects and orders too much uber eats. Towa just talked about fucking a fucking expensive bag.

They're vtubers, of course they're retarded.

>>90839178
Subaru was sleeping in the studio because she just ate and it was lunch time, so she took a nap while everyone else was eating. She and Polka took a nap because their sleep schedule is fucked because they stay up until 4 AM doing stupid shit and the studio is only open during the day. They didn't sleep there over night, retard.

>>90843225
Perfect example of retardation to your point is that FWMC literally never stop taking shit, sign up for insane amounts of random sponsorships and merch deals, and everything comes rolling in and they get all 'woe is us!' on stream, and repeat the cycle over and over even when people, both fans and coworkers say 'Chill the fuck out'.
Then you get situations like they talked about on Sunday where they physically can not sing or voive act when they show up for a recording and it pushes everything back for the entire project, not just their part. Couple that with the fact that there are others who need to record, more stuff that needs to be done after the recording, and likely multiple other talents doing the same shit all the time, and you have a fucking mess to keep track of and try to get finished.

>>90846554
>Thinks a millionaire would suddenly stop being a millionaire because of Uber eats

kek

>>90846626
Watch streams

>>90847033
The classic EOP weakness

>>90838364
Go tell them to shut up when they run damage control too.

>>90846554
All the IDs are broke too except for like 2.

>>90846442
Please don't talk poorly of management, saar

>>90845872
Oy, you get a loicense, I mean, perms to stream, mate?

>>90837972
Keep watching the clip

>>90837972
Based Marine
Fuck fubuki

>>90848804
>They're all lazy and entitled. Look no further. Management did nothing wrong

>>90838074
You actually believed that when multiple members have said the opposite hundreds of times?

>>90837972
>Meanwhile FBK

>>90849862
F-Friend wouldn’t lie to us, right?

>>90849862
>Lazy bitches just didn't want to work. Corona isn't even real

Sasuga, Fubuki

>>90849953
>Friend calls not friend lazy
>Friend wouldn't lie, right?
Yes.

>>90845427
I choose to believe this is not satire

Fuck these rich bitches

>>90837972
Yeah there's a workload problem in Hololive. There's not enough of it considering people can just take 2 month breaks off rip for no discernable reason.

>>90837972
Nothing random ass JPs have to say matters.

>>90840134
She is 100% already in talks with Loutlot

>>90852803
>JP gets preferential treatment
>JP members complain about management
>"Actually JP doesn't matter"

>>90852803
>Hololive's third most subbed talent
>random

>>90840134
She wont leave.

>>90849862
Hololive needs a new litmus test for if things are really bad. Fubuki got corrupted

>>90837972
What are they working on exactly?
Songs? Dance lessons?

>>90842220
Foobs is from a different franchise

>>90854048
Projects, obviously

>>90846751
>>she pours it back into personal projects
It seems like you conveniently forgot that part just like how you always forgot about the talent words when they aren't align with your narrative, can you at least try to make it less obvious?

>>90854132
>throne is suisei-colored
pottery

>>90854492
What personal projects? She hasn't done one in months and she's still broke

>>90845572
>he said without a shred of irony

>>90838364
It's been literally YEARS of multiple girls mentioning how absolutely fucking idiotic the management is. None of this is new. You're not supposed to be a fan of the company, you're supposed to be a fan of the girls or at least the one you like most.

>>90843339
Saying that managers are shit was okay 3 years ago. It's no longer okay today.

>>90838074
Why isn't the motherfucking shark forced to stream?

>>90838489
She needs to stop being ugly.

>>90854910
she means visiting male host bars

>>90838364
Who exactly mentally ill fuckers like this are even fans of?

Are you a fan of the faceless management? Are you a fan of Yagoo? Are you a fan of the blue dorito logo? Are you a fan of whatever abstract "philosophy" your broken mind came up with that represents Hololive?

>>90855298
Yagoo has Daddy energy, leave him out of this

>>90854910
She did said she doesn't spend as much on projects nowadays so she got more extra money, you should know that if you actually watch stream or even clips but I mean it's obvious that you're just catalognigger anyway

>>90846554
>Towa just talked about fucking a fucking expensive bag.
That bag? Me

>>90838364
Honestly true but the cracks have already appeared, and you can't blame the viewers for worrying when streams, projects are getting cancelled due to poor health, among other reasons
The talents will have to say something eventually

>>90855298
I'm a fan of the girls. When rabid sapling trannies come pestering those girls over Faunas personal problems - I say fuck them, easy as that. Her too, partially, since this response was easy to predict with her weird statement and the state of her fanbase.

>>90837972
okay now i'm taking this a bit more seriously

Playing video games for five hours a day is a "workload problem".

>>90840203
>>90845427
how about you hang yourselves while you watch me absolutely rail the shit out of my pirate hag slut, you braindead faggots.
>>90840452
marine also has a live concert in literal days, anon
>>90855019
exactly

>>90837972
And yet, HoloJPs were still much harsher in their language toward Aqua's graduation overall even when they agreed with certain things she said. But everyone understood that working adults can have respectful disagreements without hating each other. Meanwhile, everyone in holoEN has to walk on eggshells about the green menhera because ENsharts and their SEA fanbase are schizos who have never had a real career in their lives.

>>90855090
the stuff they're forced to do (the "homework") isn't streaming, it's everything that gets in the way of streaming.

>>90856313
>Meanwhile, everyone in holoEN has to walk on eggshells about the green menhera because ENsharts and their SEA fanbase are schizos who have never had a real career in their lives.
That's the impression I'm getting. I didn't have it before but the longer this plays out the more I'm leaning towards it.
Children forget that this is a job for them. It's not a hobby. They don't want to jeopardize what puts bread in their pockets, in a far easier way than cleaning sewers or any other type of work at that.

>>90856313
>>90857032
these dramatic faggots would probably have meltdowns if they learned about their local grocery store firing dogshit employees and letting the seniors retire. this shit happens all the time. there is no perfect workplace, it's normal for people to not like their jobs and quit so they can do something with their lives, not that i expect any of these retards to know what that's like.
i know a lot of anons are newfags that started out with en but hololive's first wave was a total shitshow thanks to hitomi chris yet they thrived for years.
your western woman leaving for whatever twitch grift circle is not going to be the end of hololive.

>>90856313
This. The JPs are allowed to be much more open about their opinions even within the supposedly strict "idol culture" rules. In comparison, everyone in holoEN is in a police state being actively monitored by bad faith actors outside the company wanting to take down corpo vtubing in the west.

>>90837972
Insert KroniiSchedule.jpg here

>>90858021
Also note that Marine is literally talking about getting a lot of "please confirm if this is ok" messages in this very clip that OP posted. Her workload is typing "That's fine" over and over again in text message form over the course of an average day during working hours.

Just one part again.
Lots of work.”
“Performers can turn down work.”
But when a performer takes a job, there are responsibilities.
It makes you want to take the job.
They think, “If I take this job, I'll get along with these holomen.”
“There's a lot of attractive work.”
In the end, it's their own decision.

That's the point of this stream.

>>90838364
kek

>>90856189
Touch grass you pathetic virgin

>>90858301
ok explain what chloe said then. literally took her throwing up for them to fucking give in. literally zero empathy. fuck any holotard defending their faggot management. who also btw, did nothing when mel was getting sexually harassed.

>>90840134
>holos are the one attacking
Yeah sure

>holofags: NIJIFAGS OSHI THE COMPANY
>meanwhile holofags: EVERYONE THAT LEAVES IS A LYING TRAITOR THAT DESERVES TO DIE! BLUE DORITO OR DEATH!

>>90858754
>calling people virgin on 4chan
go back

>>90859269
The primary difference there is that nijisanji is bad while hololive is good
Hope this helps!

>>90858883
I think you took on the project and tried to turn it down after the project was underway.
This is consistent with many holomen's stories that “performers can refuse” and “once you take on a project, you can't refuse”.
If sakamata's story is also properly analyzed, “didn't sakamata accept the project once?” can be read as follows.
In 5ch, the possibility that sakamata is trying to refuse a job he once accepted is believed, and many people are of the opinion that the manager who succeeded in getting him to accept the job once is at fault.

>>90858883
That whole story is overblown (now after 10+ months suddenly, very organic). Was probably some 3rd party related recording for the mangers to be so insistent.
If you really can't work you should go to the doctor get a medical leave, that's how it works in general. If you decided to show up how are they supposed to know you're not fit unless you speak up or are visibly dying? She said herself she'd managed to sort it out eventually by being more assertive.
Doesn't paint her manager in the best light but not some criminal exploitation either.

>>90838074
Depends on how many subs they have. Gura is off Scott free, the ones under one million has to pull extra hours.

>>90857867
i do think its weird how there is so much toxic positivity in the english side, that chaotic/banter energy that gura used to bring in is largely gone. probably the other en girls fault thou that no one was willing to be edgy

>>90859650
People only found out ten months later because the Holodrones covered it up. She said she was sick but they told her she had to go in anyways. She said it didn't matter how aggressive she was because they forced her for two days. They only gave in the day she streamed because they realized she sounded like garbage because her voice got fucked up from the recordings

It's as black as it gets

>>90859971
At least niji just fires people, holo literally forces them to overwork to the point they become ill. Wtf.

>>90859971
How exactly did they "cover up" a public stream?

>>90860095
They told her to shut the fuck up in the comments, clippers ignored it and fans ignored it. So no one ever found out about it until some JP people started digging as to why she decided to graduate

>>90860159
I accept your concession that no "cover up" took place, shitlock.

>>90860159
>source: I saw it in a dream

>Chloe was not a stinky unwashed hobo because of her personality, but because she was literally kept in holo's basement on chains to work as a slave without running water

>>90860159
>JP people started digging as to why she decided to graduate
Chloe both stated her reasons for graduation and specifically asked to ignore those "digger" faggots in her anniversary stream.

>>90860220
>>90860225

Suuuure
>>90843167

>>90853643
where did you get third from? she's miles ahead of everyone other than gura, it's not even close

>>90853643
>>90860615
in fact marine is now closer to gura than she is to third, and is on track to overtake gura next year

>>90838489
>Suisei
Anon, that utterly based bitch is one of the most open about how often she gets into arguments and fights with management, which is why they greenlight most of her projects. The squeaky wheel gets the grease after all.
If anything judging from how Aqua had Suisei help her fight with management to keep her in Hololive I have a theory. The talents that are most likely to graduate are those who are too kind to pick fights with management. As a result they don't get what they want, their grievances get suppressed, they get burned out, they get disillusioned with Hololive and their management and out of the blue they decide to pull the trigger and graduate. It's the same reason why in several relationships the woman breaks up with a man for seemingly no reason, but in actuality the woman actually had a lot of issues she was too kind (i.e. too much of a coward) to bring up and resolve.

is fatigue the goal here?
like, I'm tired of just thinking about this incident and would rather blame Fauna just to make myself feel better

Since Fubuki is still there then that means everything is good with hololive, she said so herself!

>>90860894
Sapcucks and antis (same thing at this point) mistakenly believed they could force a narrative by just brute-forcing it on the catalog. Turns out, people don't care and want them to shut up.

>>90860314
>Chloe both stated her reasons for graduation

Which was management

>>90861839
Nope. It was her wish to do something she can't do in Holo (first) and health issues (second). You are getting confused, sapling.

>>90861436
you don't speak for this entire board retard. and you and a few other retards don't represent what this board thinks or feels. Faggot bootcuck

>>90862223
She wants to do JAV (that is released publicly)

>>90838575
>>90838665
>>90844011
The word "bootlicker" is a red flag that you're talking to a midwit. Larpers that like to think they're anti establishment while they pay taxes and do nothing as their governments ass rape them. People with a brain and self respect prefer corps like Holo to exist so that the thing they love can continue to exist.

>>90859371
>Hope this helps!
Hi Plebbit!

>>90862223
She said it was because of the direction Holo was heading ( code for management)

>>90855085
because drama trannies like you exist only to besmirch hololive's good name

>>90864343
Nope again. That was Aqua (I think? Or maybe noone at all).

>>90863994
>he prefers Ubisoft so video games continue to exist

>>90858754
wow now i actually do want you to kill yourself, get the fuck off this board you stupid tourist

>>90839178
What if you can have lessons in your room, because in the end it’s your cgi image you audience see on your stage, so your trainer doesn’t necessarily need to check your dance irl as well. All you need to do is to sing and dance in front of your pc camera just same as you do when streaming.

>>90838364
And the experience for many is the girl/friend experience. Being concerned about their well being is part and parcel of it.

>>90838364
I didn't know Miko posted here

>>90838364
>Girls complaining about management in regards to Omega in order to further my anti-homo agenda is... LE GOOD!
>Girls complaining about management everywhere else is... LE BAD!

>>90838364
>6 years
>Each girl speaks out only 3-4 times
They do.

>>90838364
Not when the immersion had already been broken by management.

>>90859923
If everyone tries being edgy, you get NijiEN.
Having only one or two members who have little restraint paired with those who do is way better. It's also why Coco only worked so well as Coco back in the day.

>>90838687
idols arent supposed to be relatable

>>90864585
Aqua said it. Holo is getting too busy and she wants to chill and do nothing after years of work.

>>90866399
You don’t watch hololive lol. No one gives a fuck about gfe, they only care about all the lesbian ships that their oshi is in.

>>90865659
Ubisoft doesn't make games

>>90840493
>Aqua
>Chloe
>Marine
>Gura
UMISEA IS THE RESISTANCE
INNERS IS NEXT

>>90838328
No she hasn't