/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Take your meds, OP

>>90703044
you've made this thread 10 times already

>>90703044
>>IRyS can't even pretend to give a shit, happily posting meat on twitter

>Vegan branchmate announces graduation
>First thing she does is post meat
Basedrys

>>90703044
>vegan leaves
>meat posting begins
things are already changing even before the new president is inaugurated

>>90703248
Shady like Reimu posting that "attempt" tweet

Can't trust anything these girls say, they have their $$$ in mind. Won't fuck over their own company.

>>90703044
>and won't actually be remembered as a heroic marytr who stood up to a black company...
She will, even if it's false.

>>90703399
everyone have $$$ in mind, even the ones leaving

>>90703248
I think some girls are actually mad about the doomposting her “disagreement with management” comment caused.

>>90703399
Which also means they aren't mass graduating and things will continue as they have for fans.

>>90703044
>IRyS can't even pretend to give a shit, happily posting meat on twitter
IRyS doesn't even get contacted by management anymore.
She has accepted that she is completely abandoned by them. I don't think anyone in HoloEN has had worse management experiences than her.

>>90703044
>IRyS can't even pretend to give a shit, happily posting meat on twitter
My oshi...I kneel

>>90703564
newfag she already under promise gen manager

>>90703463
Tough shit.

>>90703463
Fauna burning bridges on her way out.

>>90703463
they absolutely are
all of them have had issues with management but it's a whole other beast to have all your fans think you're in a black company no better than nijis
Also there's a real possibility they have more serious grievances and simply aren't as selfish as Fauna, who doesn't want to travel to Japan because of vegan food options so she decided to have the most spiteful split in holo history.

>>90703044
>Fauna didn't actually quit for valid reasons
Google: "Damage Control"

>>90703626
she has her own manager

>>90703463
yeah, many of the girls' responses after the grad announcement have mostly been about how they're happy and fine than about fauna and their upcoming plans with her.

>>90703794
cope, fauna will be a footnote in hololive history, but hey at least you'll get indie concerts from LL and not just reactslop on twitch, since she TOTALLY wants to be an idol, right?

I see no IRyS meat, are you lying?

>>90703044
>>90703248
There's a reason vegan white woman is a negative stereotype

WHAT NOOOOO

>>90703044
This whole ordeal just made me stop being a shiori anti and finally sub to her kek.

>>90703044
Maybe they should reply to talents dms instead of making them same thread 10 times and getting caught over and over. If you actually worked you wouldn't be sitting here trying to scapegoat someone everyone loved for always trying to stream and be there for her community.
>>90703997
You do understand this is the beginning of the end, right? Are you that delusional that you don't notice all the cracks forming? You attack her here instead publically like Selen but everyone is noticing.

People using Fauna as a scapegoat but she's hardly the first person to talk about this, is she?
Basically everyone on their way out or out already has said they didn't like the direction of the company was heading.
People also need to understand that they are NEVER while under contract are going to say "yeah management is fucking terrible and it needs to change or I'm out" on stream to everyone.

But denial is always the hardest step to overcome. You can't pretend to not notice things forever.

Yes, we should listen to them, not to those who leave.

>>90703044
I wonder who made this post.

>>90703044
nah they said they kinda understand it, they just dont agree with the reasons much

>>90703044
you can quit for any reason you want actually, you don't have to be mistreated or overworked to want to quit. dramafags and children can't comprehend this though

>Rest of Hololive Girls: "Fauna... SHUT THE FUCK UP"

My god. Fauna was the one which got me into hololive, I genuinely like her.
But can saplings start to use brain instead of balls in reasoning?
Evidence says that holo is good (yet, most likely, best estimate on given info)

>>90703044
Moom status?

>>90705189
Dead in a ditch

Anyways, is anyone gonna show me the IRyS meat or not?

Fauna is burning bridges and not going affiliate because she's joining another group/corpo after graduation.

>>90705229
I hope Kiara one day quits and just does JAV. She knows she has no personality and already walks around Tokyo in a mini skirt and thong.

>>90704952
>this is the beginning of the end
I've heard this before, like 4 years ago lmao

>>90705109
Yeah Fauna has really handled this like a child

If these girls think they can catch any homeless saplings looking for a new oshi like this, they surely have another thing coming

Saplings might be the most loyal fanbase of a graduated member yet (maybe with the exception of fandeads, but Rushia’s exit was so atypical that it doesn’t really count), I’m sure 80%+ of them are just following Fauna and leaving the holo fanbase as a whole

>>90705109
Fauna's announcement stream was like 5 minutes long. Go and watch it.

>>90704970
There could be a real conversation about management quality (honestly Ina's visa bullshit SHOULD have kicked that discussion off already)
but since Fauna decided to be a spiteful dramacunt everyone has to deal with fighting conspiracy theories and nijiniggers/phasebrowns trying to weed into the conversation instead
none of these girls like management yet fauna forced them to look like shills just to kill some retarded rrats that she intentionally created

>>90703044
12/10 Announce.
Welcome back Senzawa.

According to Fauna, she didn't want to quit (who would? like she said, it's her dream job, and it's an easy, comfy one too. 0 effort, play games get money). But somehow, despite all that she was forced to quit thanks to management that apparently isn't as hostile to most holo girls, except for the girls that quit.

>>90705292
Based

>>90704970
Ame didn't, she basically said it was on her and even encouraged people to keep supporting the girls. Funnily enough Ame actually had more legitimate grievances with management than Fauna but the saviourfag would never throw the others under the bus.

>>90703044
Since when Kronii in the idol camp?

>>90703463
Doomposting would have happened regardless of what reason she gave. When you have four graduations within the span of less than half a year, with an enormous fuck up that also took Ina out of action for a couple of months, people are going to get concerned. And when all the holos who graduate immediately go back to streaming under different names, that's just going to make people even more suspicious about why they wanted out of Hololive so badly.

>>90705566
It's not idol camp, it's Fauna's antis camp in Kronii's case :(

>>90705413
i saw it, what about it?

>>90705566
she's not, neither is shiori. Shiori even explicitly talked about how she doesn't intend to do a full idol route (and also that she's completely free to do so)

they are just not selfish grifters like fauna

>>90705495
She didn't create any rrats. She said she quits because management is shit. That's it.

>>90705386
>leaving the holo fanbase as a whole
Thank god.

>>90705739
>more like leaving the holo fanbase as a whore
lol enjoy your mid asmrs until she gets banned and fucks off to twitch to do randon collabs and react shit.

>>90703044
Of course Fauna is in the wrong. She just caused too much friction at the company and they terminated her, but she dressed it up as her own decision to satisfy her own ego.

>>90705495
Well all she did was say she's leaving because of disagreements with management.
She could have easily gone out CM Punk style and actually throw everyone under the bus.
The reason why it's gone down the way that is has is because it's two graduation announcements so close to each other and both for similar reasons and the two graduations before that were also for similar reasons.
So now the talent have to go full North Korea and pretend everything is fine and management is great and they don't have a gun pressed against the back of their neck but let's be honest, there cracks were always there. It was just a matter of if rather than when the illusion would break. It just took someone as popular as Fauna to break it.

>>90703463
Good. Management is fucked

Let's examine the facts:

1. Indies are better than corpos
2. Fauna sucks to begin with
4. All the old crop is mogged by the new gens at Holo anyway
3. That's it.

Get better oshis.

>>90703044
Conflict of interest
>>90703463
Kek yeah
I wonder if Chloe doesn't talk much because Japan's culture is even more unforgiving towards the nail that sticks out

>>90703944
I've lost all the respect I had for them

>>90703044
I think the reality is, that this board will never come to a consensus on (I mean it won't come to a consensus on anything), it was mostly some boring business shit that happens behind the scenes and we'll probably never know about. Fauna was sick of having to email three different people about travel times or some arbitrary rule no one bothers to mention on stream she was sick of dealing with.
Is that ultimately kind of the fault of the company? I guess, but it could be some shit that really annoyed her that none of the other talents really care about.
I don't think her reasons for quitting are necessarily going to be invalid, they just may not be an indication of the company being evil. I think it's probably like when most people quit a job.

>>90703747
Stop samefagging, you goddamn retard.

>>90703044
>Fauna:MANAGEMENT SUCKS!!!
>Everyone: huh? wait, no they dont!?!
>Fauna: WELL IT SUCKS FOR MEEEEEEE

>>90705950
Management looks like they suck from my pov

>>90705950
Yes, because Full Color and a thousand other EN projects have happened. Get fucked.

>>90705950
>I make up shit in greentext

>>90705950
I mean, most seem to be of the opinion that management can be difficult to work with at times, but for them it never crossed a line where they thought it was worth leaving the company over. Fauna felt differently.

>>90703044
I see it's drone hours.

>>90703723
Fauna never built any bridges in the first place, she talked more with the Shondoverse offstream than ANY of her branch and even gen mates.

>>90705950
>everyone working for the company says it doesnt suck
who would have thunk

>>90705498
better luck next time, esltomo

This feels like the beginnings of what Niji went through, talents citing management issues and graduating while the remaining talents have to play defence because ultimately their revenue relies on public trust in the company. I’d be surprised if Holo ever got anything equivalent to the black screen stream or 2% yab, but i’m not really seeing the signs that this is getting better.

>>90705918
did you get my memo about the new tps report covers?

>>90705386
>If these girls think they can catch any homeless saplings looking for a new oshi like this, they surely have another thing coming
none of them think that

>>90705950
>Fauna seeing none of the girls back her up against the management tirade
Ngl it’s kinda fucked up how no one seemed to have her back

>>90706139
You glow too much, phase chimp

One HUGE problem is that management can mean literally everyone from the perms guy, to personal managers all the way up to yagoo.
So this just generated a HUGE amount of rrats.
I'm 99% sure she just wanted to get more money than the other girls because she has a higher ccv and cover said no, so now she is quitting.

its amazing how the narrative can flip in 24 hours

>>90705275
is she phasing in?

>>90706144
I mean honestly I think stuff like this is probably what it is. I think cover is becoming more bureaucratic as its gets bigger and some people aren't going to mesh with that. That isn't going to be as dramatic of a story as fauna was forced to dance and sing at gunpoint or constantly pressured to move to japan or something, but I think it's also a completely legitimate reason to leave a company if you joined when they were smaller and don't want to deal with that shit.

>>90703248
IRyS is tired of having to choose a vegetarian restaurant every time she and Fauna have dinner together

>>90706195
Maybe she should have tried making friends instead of constantly pissing on everyone else in her branch.

>>90703044
Isn't that obvious because they didn't give her associate status?

Fauna is 110% the one at fault here

>>90703044
>coordinated "everything is fine" posts makes anon think everything is fine

>>90703044
Kiara didn't stand with management, she said that frustration is common when dealing with them and she doesn't blame anyone for feeling like they need to graduate. All she did was that she addressed the retarded "Cover is bowing down to the investors" rrat, took it out behind the barn and shot it.
If you ask me, management is still subpar, but most talents can manage it, especially if they just want to stream in peace. Fauna couldn't, and she threw in the towel because of that.

>>90705918
Can't be travel shit, since never even traveled.
She probably wanted a larger cut from the branch money since she was the largest streamer since Gura is gone and didn't get it.

>>90706195
hard to back up someone who is quitting over the lack of vegan food options in japan

>>90706239
Because Fauna said management bad
Then Talent had to come out and say "ACTUALLY MANAGEMENT GOOD!"
And now the narrative is management isn't bad and Fauna bad.
It's that easy.

>>90706195
>Before leaving she decides throws a tantrum that negatively affects everyone's jobs
gee I wonder why

At least she never collab with a man like a bitch

>>90706351
cover corp cuck

>>90706392
Most of them aren't saying management isn't bad, Kiara didn't say management isn't bad, they're just saying it's not so bad that they'd want to leave because of it.
That just sounds like a common business disagreement to me. The company isn't falling apart, but it's not perfect so some talent is going to peel off of it.

>>90706347
Kiara is also not scared of openly talking back at management.
She even had a quarrel with Jenma one time.
I think most of the girls just don't have enough workplace experience to stand up for themselves and are too scared to ask the ones who do for help.
I bet if it was actually a problem with her personal manager that made her leave and she went to Mori or Kiara about it they would have tried to help her, like Suisei and Miko did for some of the JP girls.

So she either didn't ask for any help or it was something ABOVE personal management.

>>90706467
I should rephrase that, most aren't saying management is good, it leans a little to negative to act like they're saying it's bad.

>>90706402
>gee I wonder why
Because she got paid for it by her next corpo.
Watch her join Vwhorejo/Mythic/Phase/VAllure

>>90703044
What's Ina have to say though?
Oh that's right, she currently can't say anything under threat of going to jail. Good one mana-chan.

>>90706347
>>90706475
this is what I figure
different people have different tolerances for corp bullshit (corp in the general sense rather than vtube specific), fauna probably just reached hers and right now its a time where going indie probably wont hurt her

>>90706392
>Then Talent had to come out and say "ACTUALLY MANAGEMENT GOOD!"
wrong
how come sapkeks can only argue by blatantly lying?

>>90706475
Cover is fucking retarded if they didn't try to rectify the situation after she handed in her notice. She's almost certainly gotten help with it and has deemed it beyond salvaging anyways.

>>90703044
bootlicking olympics

>>90703463
Not surprising. Fauna has always struck me as a little judgy and manipulative. She very possibly decided to embellish things a little on the way out to get a bit of a boost when she reincarnates and the rest of the members remaining have had to hose down concernfags worried they're in a kurosanji trap all day.
If it wasn't malicious it was certainly thoughtless careless and selfish of fauna to do what she did and it will have most certainly not earned her any points behind the scenes with the rest of the girls.

>>90706195
Vegans are insufferable so I'm not surprised

>>90706475
Fauna is definitely the type to hold it in whenever she feels slighted and just lets it stew until she hits a breaking point and makes a large decision. I'd put a reasonable sum of money on that if she raised her voice to someone, she could have found support for her issues.

>>90706564
The fucking irony. I'm a sapkek now apparently.
I haven't watch any Fauna for over a year and I despise saplings and how arrogant they are.
But I'm not going to gaslight myself and say Fauna is apparently the bad guy now for daring to voice her displeasure.

>>90706642
i think the whole "I'm not leaving because i don't wanna be an idol" thing was 100% her trying to manipulate the narrative and make herself look better. We all know she isn't gonna do fucking indie concerts

>>90706586
>if they didn't try to rectify the situation
But we will never know this, because we have no idea what the situation actually is.
It could be something that's just not possible for them and instead of acknowledging that she decided to spawn a bunch of rrats that will only hurt all the girls she leaves behind.

>>90705829
konnichi-wa, yagoo-san ^^

>>90703044
Personally I think if Kiara is the one who taps out because of management, its a good indicator that things are really bad behind the scenes.

>>90706757
She caused a shit storm for the other girls for no good reason. That's enough for me to call her the bad guy.

>>90706347
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>>90706838
Speaks more about the mental instability of twitter and vtuber fans more than anything.

SHOW ME THE FUCKING IRYS MEAT. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TOO ASK? GIVE ME THE MEAT AND GIVE IT TOO ME RAW

>>90706757
Cover shills seem to be most active in US morning hours when the board is slow.
Very cowardly but it's to be expected from beta orbiters.
We get to see the true colors of the company, whether the shills ever realize it or not :)

>>90706907
https://x.com/irys_en/status/1863208039723249675

>>90706907
Just go to her twitter lazy fuck

>>90706838
This, sure she may have had problems with management, but dragging down everyone with you, even those who are perfectly happy, is a shitty move.

The only way this could get better is if the rest of SNO leave soon too.

>>90706195
>>90706195
Why would you shit on the company you still work for? That is not in the best interest for them at all. There are plenty of instances of management sucking.
This is just Gura:
Projects she had been working on for a long time got canned.
They fucked Gura's birthday by postponing her 3D live last minute. She then had to throw something together for the birthday she was hyping up for months.
Then when she got the ok for the 3D live, they canceled 1/3 of her songs and the live was 40mins. This was shit she had already recorded in Japan.

>>90706976
Thanks bud, looks delicious
>>90706998
I did, picrel, no meat to be found

>>90706838
That's called a woman moment, please bear with the fairer sex

>>90706838
>She caused a shit storm for the other girls
Weird, a lot of members have been doing that lately

>>90703044
JP clique of bullies
EN clique of bullies

>>90707083
>and being an adult
my schizo mind will now see this as a jab against Fauna.

>>90703044
>had a really positive experience in holo
When did she announce graduation?

>>90706976
why do women take pictures of food

>>90707186
Change Pekora and I will believe it

>>90707186
fbk does have bully energy

>>90706976
HOLO FAMILY

>>90706976
>twitter comms

That's cray senpai fr

>>90707083
It's in replies.

>>90707365
They taste through their phones. Same reason on why you send dick pics

>we respect her decision and wish her the best
Get fucked with that shit. Fauna literally said she's not leaving because she doesn't want to be there.

>>90707894
>Same reason on why you send dick pics
I wish I had anyone to send dick picks to bro

>>90707186
>pekora
nah I don't believe that. I could see micomet though

>>90705904
I don't get it. Wtf are they talking about?

>>90706764
Very possibly. Honestly the biggest tell for me is that even kiara doesn't really side with her on the management thing.
Kiara is very quick to shit on management when they screw up so the fact she's doused things to the degree she has is the first major reason I think fauna might just be exaggerating things here.

>>90707925
fuck this shit man.

>>90707925
no sane person will want to burn bridges by saying they hate being there. Imagine being this naive and can't even read between the lines

>>90708647
>she really hated it
Lick a boot faggot. Imagine taking the opinion of someone who can be deported if fired

>>90707925
>made a decision to leave due to disagreements
>we respect her decision
>YOU CAN'T SAY THAT
what's the confusion here. Are you esl?

>>90708435
Exactly. I trust Kiara over some vegan grifter. Remember that whole manufactured elefauna arc? Bet Kiara has called out her shit many times before and that was Fauna's way of clapping back.

>>90708435
>I think fauna might just be exaggerating things here.
She didn't axaggerate anything. Disagreement could mean anything from pay to them wanting her to promote a steakhouse.

>>90703044
trust kiara and bae who are more invested in idolshit than anyone else in en

>>90706586
Higher ups at Cover also don't speak English and Fauna doesn't speak Japanese.
It could literally be a problem of communication where she has some manager high up at the EN branch that doesn't really care about her so any of her problems never get resolved but she's more fucked because she has no way to communicate this to higher ups.
Her best bet is probably air her grievances to other girls to help her, but Fauna strikes me as someone who wouldn't want to rope other girls into it.

>>90708647
She literally said she didn't want to leave fuck off

Yes saar, I also trust the company directive.

>>90708937
Yea Shiori is really invested in idol stuff.

>SEA hours
>bootlickers crawling out of the woodwork

>>90706195
The Doki of Hololive…

>>90709067
More like working people hours who are stuck in useless meetings so they understand corporate bullshit.

why should i care about any of this
i don't give a fuck about "companies"

>>90703044
>Kiara debunked the "big bad recent management change" narrative
Yet Kiara was the one who complained about management the most.
>but it was other management now she has one that gives her everything she wants so it's okie!
Egotist. Hypocrite. Chicken.

>>90709061
Shiori joined when Hololive had already changed.

>>90703044
>Meanwhile Gura returns on Twitter just to repost Fauna's tweets and she starts following her PL

>>90709181
uhhh you can't criticize chicken on this board, she's right about everything always

Why is it that the worries of fans being invalidated simply for not knowing anything? The information we have is that talents are graduating one by one with reasons being management disagreement. You can't just talk down on us man by saying you know the full story and we don't.

Haven't you ever wondered?

Kronos? Calliope? The Reaper? The Owl? A Nephilim? Fish people from Atlantis?

Why did Mumei's music video "A New Start" feature a certain gold statue of a huntress? Why the image of a Mayan temple?

Who was the author of Sherlock Holmes?

Why is Bijou's mark a Moai statue? What are the Moai statues of Easter Island a representation of?

All just a coincidence, right /vt/?

>>90709181
Kiara also didn't defend management or claim there weren't issues, but you're too much of a mentally ill freakshow to have rational thoughts

>>90703248
>>90703293
Salami earrings anyone?

>>90703044
Wow cool only took 2ish days for holo fanatics to do the cumrain dance around Yagoo's dick and shit on the livers that dared step out of turn.

>>90709367
>Kronos? Calliope? The Reaper? The Owl? A Nephilim? Fish people from Atlantis?
>Why did Mumei's music video "A New Start" feature a certain gold statue of a huntress? Why the image of a Mayan temple?
>Why is Bijou's mark a Moai statue? What are the Moai statues of Easter Island a representation of?
Holy fuck, it's all one homestuck reference?

>>90709351
They're all lazy whores.
There is no war in Yagootown

>>90709223
Gura has a long history of complaining about management

a return to form

>>90706475
>>90706586
This is just speculation, but I think it goes

>talent
>managers assigned to the girls.
>branch/gen managers
>other/event managers

A girl can have multiple manager (shiori has henma and kumomane) and a manager can have multiple girls (henma has erb and shiori, among others)
We know branch and event are distinct because during the first day of enreco advent a meeting with some manager.

You can request a manager change (Kiara did) but some girls don't (IRyS got lucky omega was removed).

This is why some girls are happy and others, like Ame and Fauna are not. Kiara and Shiori, if they have a problem, fight back.
Of course enjoying the idol journey and Japan helps, but as Shiori said, if she doesn't want to do it she just doesn't.
I mean, look at Nerissa and now ERB. They record voice packs only in JP, halving the work they have to do.
I just checked and Gura did the valentine one in EN only as well.

The more I think about it, the more I think Fauna had a bad personal manager, and she soldiered through it until she stopped.

Could have Cover known? maybe, but if Fauna never spoke up how is cover supposed to know?
Of course maybe they knew and did nothing to fix it, like we know Kronii had staff issues multiple times with her outfits.

It's also a matter of ambition, I guess. Girls like Kiara, Mori, Bae, are more than game streamers, they want to be more.
Advent would rather kill than go back to being the failures they were. Justice has at least 2 pros who know how to deal with real life work, even if it was in the arts field.

Fauna was tired of dealing with a shit manager and called it quits.

The only thing that I have to figure out is why she didn't took the affiliate path. It seems an all around win for everyone.
Maybe there was a single big event that made her quit.

>>90709732
Laughing at her in front of the new council gen for requesting a few game perms is one of them.

>>90703044
you sound so desperate

>>90709800
>Could have Cover known? maybe, but if Fauna never spoke up how is cover supposed to know?
Add to this that she might've spoken up but she can only really reach EN management. If her problem isn't actually her personal manager, but some higher up at EN management she might've been completely fucked.

>>90709800
>Fauna was tired of dealing with a shit manager and called it quits.
She also carried EN when majority of EN was bummed out around 2022.

>>90705536
>whore who took the affiliate money grabbing deal
Nah

>>90709949
Also yes, a possibility. But if it was that high, more girls would have had issues.
I thought that maybe the problem is the promise manager (assuming such a figure exist) but then Kronii would be a lot more vocal.

>>90708972
Aligns with tarotpost actually. Again

>>90709800
>Fauna was tired of dealing with a shit manager and called it quits.
>The only thing that I have to figure out is why she didn't took the affiliate path. It seems an all around win for everyone.
just wanted a clean break maybe

>>90703044
Hmm I dunno. I think I need to hear it from Gura that management is all sunshine and rainbows. Guess I'll justw ait for her to say it on her next stream soon.

>>90703044
From now on my opinion of Shiori changes from negative to positive.

>>90705536
there is barely a holo who didn't have MORE issues with management than fauna. as far as we know there's literally nothing they did to really fuck her over and it's unlikely that there is anything (no model issues, doesn't need crazy game perms since she only plays mainstream stuff, has no unique projects)
maybe if they somehow banned her from ASMR behind the scenes that could be a real issue.

>>90710116
If said higher up doesn't like her in particularly then the other girls wouldn't complain. Keep in mind that so far both Ame and Fauna are the girls that basically did the bare minimum when it comes to Idol activities. It can easily mean that a higher up at the EN branch wants to push idol activities, and prioritizes the girls that do more of them instead of the girls that don't.
With Advent and Justice coming in, both Ame and Fauna might've been sidelined significantly more when it comes to approving their projects and stuff like that, which ended up making them feel like Cover just simply doesn't care about them so they just quit.

>>90709970
Fauna is a self professed perfectionist. I bet the reason she left is the same reason Doki did. Neither were happy being a cog in a machine and beholden yo the whims of management. Not sure if there's a clique in holo, but there doesn't need to be one for Fauna to feel like she's not being supported as much as she's being used.

>>90709800
>only thing that I have to figure out is why she didn't took the affiliate path
She appeared rather pissed off about something.
Among the 4, she was the only one who claimed "disagreement with management". Ame didn’t say anything and Aqua + Chloe only said "different directions" or "health issue" and outright told fans it wasn’t Holo's fault. "Disagreement with the management" might be the same as "Different directions", but sounds way harsher.

>>90710278
She never loved her job or even her fan base, causing all her opinions to be insignificant.

>>90710321
>perfectionist
>fucking garbage tier ASMR with with some cheap shit tier mic for the first 2 years in holo

>>90703044
>Shiori confirmed that you're not forced to do literally anything in hololive, had a really positive experience in holo
why would someone expect anything from the runt of EN?

>>90709800
>The only thing that I have to figure out is why she didn't took the affiliate path
Maybe she already has something lined up and they didn't want her to have a connection left to another corpo

>>90710307
Sure, but prioritizing someone else shouldn't be enough to piss Fauna off like that.
Like, she gave a 4 minutes video, with no model, reading from a script. Compare that to Ame's graduation. Fauna was pissed, a lot.

>>90710401
Don't you have to head back to the bamboo forest by now brownfeet?

>>90710505
Unironically the best rrat i've seen is here >>90709687

That, as well as the rumoured tiff with Kronii puts a lot into perspective

>>90709800
there isn't a single girl who is super happy with manegement, all of them have issues and they often don't get what they want, not to mention the times they get outright abused (Ina, IRyS etc.)

the only difference is that when they weigh the pro's and cons they think holo gives them more than it takes so they are still happy.
that's the only difference between them and fauna.

>>90704909
Enjoy, overall her content is pretty good.
Do be mindful however of what she might be releasing for christmas, she's spewed about it not being for everyone's tastes.

>>90710613
the fact that nobody can come up duty a more likely/believable narrative than "vegan being an annoying vegan" is pretty funny

>>90706976
BasedRys felted the green whore who tries to destroy Holo with one image!
B-A-S-E-D!

>>90710548
>Fuck
>Fdund
>Bitch

>>90706764
>>90708435
>>90708872
falseflagging retards. Kiara was supportive of Fauna's decision and said that it was probably due to her manager specifically.

>>90710613
Fauna didn't travel to japan for this years fes, why would it suddenly be a problem next year?

>>90710736
Also telling what type of retarded /pol/roaches are trying to spin narratives.
>omg she is vegan ugh ringe oomf

>>90710655
The difference is that some girls fight back and other take it. If Shiori, a newbie, can treat a veteran manager like Henma like a butler, there is no reason for the other girls to just take abuse.

>>90710613
But again, Shiori said they are not forced to do shit.

https://youtu.be/ZSI70PQS1kg?t=54

Why can Shiori, someone with much less seniority (in holo) and who makes a lot less money than Fauna do whatever she want but Fauna can't ?

>>90710217
>The Tower card symbolizes sudden change, upheaval, chaos, revelation, and awakening.
Makese sense
>The Hanged Man symbolizes pause, surrender, letting go, and new perspectives.
Makes sense

>>90710846
I knew I made the right decision to stop being anti-Kiara.

>>90703044
>>IRyS can't even pretend to give a shit, happily posting meat on twitter
LMAO. Hololive is a delicious buffet of opportunity and the cranky vegan cultist can't enjoy it.

>>90710871
Advent and Justice dont have the same contract as the old guard (Myth/Council now Promise) that's all. You will never see them complain because they got into Hololive during the best timing possible

>>90705907
Retarded cultist sapling. The sooner you're gone the better.

>>90710425
Instinctive distrust of white vegetarian

>>90710869
she whined about japan not having vegan options and made all of her coworkers scramble to find those when they had group dinners

>>90710968
?
If promise and myth have better contracts they should not be the ones complaining

>>90706114
and people wonder why shondofags are hated

>>90711226
The contrary. Promise and Myth have shit contract while the new gens don't have as much pressure and duties. Did you see any members from Advent complaining about Cover or management since their debut? Justice don't count yet beause they are in their honeymoon phase it's not reliable but all Advent members are happy. I think Cover treat Myth (see Ina case) and Promise (see Kronii tweets) badly for a reason but that's a rrat so no point saying it

In any case, the death of Promise does not even account for Mumei's potential departure. This is sweet karma for management dogs such as Bae, who are willing to work tirelessly without ever experiencing a sense of fulfillment (sololive).

>>90711480
But why would those who made hololive great have worse contracts than those who came later?
tell me your rrat, I am curious.

>>90709618
I find it to believe that kids even watch 5 minutes craft

>>90703044
I think she hid it from her main timeline? Only see it when going into replies.

>>90706195
Especially since we all know from Holos that management does indeed suck and they are indeed retarded

>>90711554
Gura made HoloEN great but she is MIA for years now. Also Council/Promise was kind of a flop gen wise so i would not call them "people who made hololive great". As for my rrat it's nothing extravagant it's just money. Iirc talents renegotiations on contract renewals happen every year in Hololive and i would not be surprised if Myth/Promise asked for more and more money while streaming less and less. Advent arrived during "new Cover" phase so i'm pretty sure they have a way smaller salary than their senpai for the same amount of work. Tldr lazy bitches cost too much

>>90708292
idols shouldn't have any free time to themselves. fbk is ruining their immersion by flaunting her laziness.

>>90707138
>a lot of members
kys Only this untrustworthy white female vegan

>>90703044
Except Kiara who has been living in Asia half of her life, all of them are Asian. Hmmmm, may be they are just familiar with being a modern slave

>>90711766
Ok, but here you say that advent has a smaller salary, while here >>90711480 you said that they have a better contract?

How can you call Promise a flop when they have the non gura highest ccvs in holo?

>>90711882
Mori, Nerissa, ERB, CC, Raora

>>90705828
Im not a faggot, sorry to disappoint

>>90703044
If all these girls 1st responses were defending the company instead of wishing her well in her future endeavors, then this speaks more about them than it does to Fauna. Graduating actually meant something in the past and the talents would get sad over someone graduating but now it's just the whole squad of retarded shills won't just stop boot-licking the company.

>>90711637
Something is messed up with Twitter, I think. I can’t see those posts on both her main, reply and media tab. Still got them pushed to For You and can access them just fine with the links
Musk probably fucked something up

>Corpocucks seething at a beloved Talent for confirming in her departure anouncement that the company is black in as few words as possible after a snowballing chain of events over the past year already suggesting as much.

>>90705950
>>90703044
I think people are missing something: Fauna's issue was never work load or doing yearly idol stuff. It was a bad fallout with management, a disagreement or something they did so terrible that she had to leave suddenly.. But who said it has to be something that was done do her? Why is the first thing not-Fauna posted was something to do with being a shrimp and Miku? Why is Mumei absent for so long (Mumei did this last year and it wasn't school but to help someone)? Why does Kronii and Bae's messages match the wording of another message mouths ago so well? Who do most of these people have in common? And who could possible be the most affected behind the scenes with songs not coming out and being removed from Euro beat remixs? Who was Fauna really close to? Who was Ame really close to?

There could be other reasons for Fauna to leave but it seems that whatever was done was the last straw.

>>90703044
copium overdose

>>90711955
I don't watch them = flop.

>>90711985
Hmmm maybe she tweeted/reposted too much and some of it got auto hidden. Annoying. Twitter has always been like that though, even before Musk.

>>90712005
>confirming in her departure anouncement that the company is black
If she did this I wouldn't be mad, but instead she decided to work part-time as rrat breeder.

>>90711982
>Graduating actually meant something in the past
Yeah it meant graciously leaving and not pissing off your coworkers and making their job harder

>>90712018
Shut up phasecuck.

>>90711982
> then this speaks more about them than it does to Fauna
Or maybe the other way around. Maybe
>I don't want to travel to JP /graduates and throws a fit
was too much

>>90711955
Smaller salary but less pressure, that's why it's better in the end. I'm not saying Advent/Justice have shit salaries, just smaller but the counterpart is that they are way more free as talents, see Shiori. Also Fauna had the highest CCV after Gura yes but all the others members are a big flop and you cannot deny it

>>90712106
Look at Mumei's ccv, come on man.

Why would Nerissa have less pressure than Bae?

I'm glad saplings are properly exposing themselves as Hololive antis. I always knew they're the worst fanbase in Hololive but now it's becoming more apparent.

>>90712047
I used to watch Mumei before she went the Gura way. Remember any Council collab after Sana graduation? Yeah me neither, shit gen

>>90712182
That's because cover made the mistake of hiring girls that already belonged to different groups pre-holo, so they had no intention to mix since they could just talk to their existing friends offstream.

>>90712148
As if Bae isn't of one the EN member with the most pressure in the whole branch, always on the verge of dying from overwork. Watch streams
Nerissa is allowed to streams with her sisters, even fucking hand cams of them and you think that she have more pressure and more restrictions than old members? come on

Also >Look at Mumei's ccv
Need to stream for that kek

>>90712050
>spamming so many jabs on alt against your kouhais refusing to bend the knee that you break Twitter API
She is basically seething on cooldown, KWAB.

>>90712321
Most of it are retweets of her fanart, phasecuck.

>>90712252
I made that example for a reason.
Why do you believe that Bae is under more pressure than Nerissa? why do you believe that's something the managers want and not something self imposed?

About Nerissa, I know that she said that some JP manager didn't know about her family despite her contacting them asking for permission, suggesting they at least at a certain level they operate on a "If we didn't hear anything back, you can proceed".

>>90703044
The other ENs have stated very specific scenarios, while fauna only went with disagreement with the management. So what exactly is fauna's disagreement with the management? Disagreement with the management is kinda vague. It could be as simple as not letting her play certain games. If fauna said something like the management didn't agree to increase her merch cut, half the fans would probably not support her and see her as a money grabber, especially when no other holos is complaining. Even more when aki and rbc, the lowest of holoJP, are not complaining.

>>90712239
Justice is full of girls who belonged to different groups before hololive and yet they have the best chemistry of any gen i've ever seen. I'm pretty sure the problem of Promise/Council was that most of the girls were bad people, deep inside, like really shitty personality make it difficult to create a cohesive group

>>90710321
>Neither were happy being a cog in a machine and beholden yo the whims of management.
And going indie to stream mobile tier shitty video games is an improvement?

>>90703044

>>90712158
Nijisisters said the same thing about Dragoons. Curious.

Bae was saying Cover has changed over the past few years. I wonder what she meant.

>>90703044
>holofags really want to suck corpo dick so hard that they trust all these robotic, scripted praises that came out of nowhere, just to throw one of their most loved members under the bus

>>90712392
That's just because of whorecub and the doxxcord back in the day.

>>90712349
Bae might be half pressure from Cover (best dancer of the company + good singer + fluent in japanese = high expectations from you) and half self imposed because of her perfectionism. She moved to Japan to make it easier on her but it seems to me that it's even more difficult for her rn

>some JP manager didn't know about her family
That would work for like her first stream with her mom at the beginning of the year but last streams was 3 fucking days ago so trust me Cover know about it even in Japan it's just that she is allowed to do it. Once again, Rissa and Advent in general are from the nu-Cover, different contracts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ST4D5gbsbM

>>90712392
Nah, they didn't. Completely different circumstances too. You trying to pretend as if both cases were comparable proves your malicious intentions.

>>90712517
Ok, but again and again, what reason would cover have to let advent be more free than promise?
If anything promise, being the senpai, should have more power.

Now, I made this schizo image to study Shiori's connection to hololive, but what about the others?

>>90705904
Would be hilarious to see.

>>90712099
I'm a Holo. And if there is a fire I will address it. I would like to be wrong. Don't click in this thread if you get this easily triggered.

>>90708292
Fubuki is saying she's not being overworked by implying she has too much free time.
Thus debunking any theory that Cover is a black company that overwork their talent.

>>90703044
impressive, impressive, however i can explain this by the following:
>bae, kronii, irys, kiara and potentially shiori (don't know mich about her) are all retards
>fauna is not
the opinions of idiots should not be held up equally against the opinion of sensible person who is able to see the writing on the wall.

"That 'reading names of all your subscribers' stream was a bit too creative, Fauna. It might even be considered ASMR, which is a problem. Next time make sure to double-check with us."

>management dogs say there's nothing wrong in ba sing se
How convenient

>>90712626
>what reason would cover have to let advent be more free than promise
I'm not an insider so i couldn't say but you we always hear about how "Cover is changing a lot" staff wise, direction wise and all these big changes (not only going public) happened after Myth/Promise that's why i call them the old guard. I feel like Advent/Justice are just favored by Cover and i'm only talking about the EN branch here i don't know how it is for the JP. I just know a lot of anons were crying because HoloX was were more shilled than any JP talents but is it the same for Regloss and the new group? i don't even know the name i don't give a shit about them

>>90712106
>Also Fauna had the highest CCV after Gura yes but all the others members are a big flop and you cannot deny it
That's not even true.
Top 5 average CCV of current HoloEN, YTD are Mumei > Fauna > Biboo > CC > IRyS, with CC and IRyS basically are neck to neck (60 CCV difference)
That's 3 Promise out of top 5

>>90712648
You're desperately trying to peddle a Gura rrat. It's pathetic.

>>90712355
>I'm pretty sure the problem of Promise/Council was that most of the girls were bad people
This is true, Kronii is a drepressed schizo, Fauna is a narcissistic know-it-all, Mumei is an actual autist and Bae has the brain of a teenager.

>>90712742
>vegans
>leftie
>not retarded

>>90712836
Mumei CCV never outdid Fauna tho and Ina/Gura are not streaming rn add them to the list and there is only Fauna/Mumei left even though i'm pretty sure you are bullshitting for Mumei CCV

So we can Kiara, Shiori, and Promise to all have a stream like this sometime December 4th?

>>90710871
Shiori is still pretty new in the business and she doesn't have the same responsibility. She is also on a timer. You need to be in Japan to be able to continue your activities,every one else is on a timer.

Bae suck too many dicks in company

>>90713048
I am down with "Total Cover Death", but anyone saying they're in any way remotely comparable to niji are delusional.
Fundamentally, niji's issue was that the nijiEN middle management was genuinely spiteful and evil. Cover is just greedy and ready to sacrifice everything that made Hololive good for more money.
Which isn't good, mind you, but it's not the same.

>>90712922
are bae krinii irys and kiara more retarded than fauna, yes or no?

>>90713165
>I am down with "Total Cover Death"
Finally saplings show their true self.

>>90706976
why is it that I can see this specific post
but I can't see it on her regular profile feed

>>90713147
>Shiori is still pretty new in the business
When Myth debuted, she had been vtubing for almost 3 years.

>>90703044
>This chinese member sys ts fine
>This Korean says it's fine
>This OTHER chinese member says it's fine
I'm noticing

>>90713254
I was expecting something along the lines of accusing me of being a schizo or finding some argument as to why they wouldn't be on a timer and you somehow are able to completely miss the point.

I am not talking about the vtuber business but in cover

>>90712742
>Fauna is not a retard
>Cutting all ties with Holo to hang out with the shondo clique
lol lmao sapling

>>90713281
The italian-american member says it's fine

What did Mumei say OP? WHAT DID MUMEI SAY?

>>90713281
That Americans are lazy? Even the retarded notGerman has more spunk

>>90713318
Ok, then
What timer? she said she can do whatever she wants, she doesn't have to go to Japan.

>>90713223
Wrong, Fauna was actually one of my least watched. I mostly watch(ed) Ame, Mori, Sana, Kronii and Bijou.

>>90713332
more evidence

>>90713399
What if, ok guys follow me, what if Americans were the bad people

>>90713223
>following Nijisisters down the dark path of villifying those who recognized the truth
>>90712392

>>90703044
Add on to that
>Ame thanked management and staff all through her graduation
>She expressed several times that she wants to return at some point

So, either every HoloEN (even the graduated one) is lying, backstabbing fauna while being part of a conspiracy OR Fauna was a bit of a cunt.

>>90713398
Its more like give and take. You need to provide some of the things we want.
>Ok you can't move here so then you still have to pay for your tickets and be here when we ask you to be here for whatever project we need you t. The rest of the projects need to be approved. You can stream on your own free time.

So the priority list is:
>Company projects
>Paperwork
>Your projects and streams

>>90706437
Vegans deserve the necrosis they all inevitably get.

>>90713281
jap company and asian anti-white racism, nothing new

>>90713147
That's why Kiara just bought an house in Austria with no intention of moving.
Because she's on a timer.
Right.

>>90703044
All Japanese companies are black companies anon. Get your western company values out of your head.

>>90713484
It's funny how mpst of you shitstirrers are always crossboarders without VTuber reaction images

>>90713502
But Kiara said they pay for your for company projects.

>>90713223
>Fauna outright says management is why she's leaving
>Why are saplings mad at the suits???
ogey

>>90713502
>you still have to pay for your tickets
Cover pay for their flights if they come to Japan on cover demand

>>90705109
You are declaring your maturity over your strawman. People aren't assuming that she was mistreaded merely because she is quitting, retard, but because she brought up her manager as the primary reason in an emotional statement which had predictable results.

You are not mature. You are not intelligent. And you are not wise. You are reaching for superiority over a large group of people you are not equipped to understand. This is called defensive arrogance.
>>90705661
>i saw it, what about it?
Somehow become less autistic, then watch it again in a few years.

>>90713398
Well Shiori is management's favorite girl so I wouldn't use her as an example. She can do whatever she wants.

>>90710548
SEA loves ASMR, what are you smoking?

>>90712158
If you trust a company steeped in rumors of internal strife over your oshi of functionally unblemished standing, you don't deserve her.

>>90713486
Ame is too nice and autistic to throw the girls or management under the bus even if tho she had more reason to do so than Fauna.

>>90713334
She is next, graduation for February

>>90713648
Why the fuck are you replying in my stead? I am looking for proof of Kiara saying that Cover is paying for her flight. The thing i found is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRX8-HbHjdk where she doesn't say that they pay for her normal seat. DOn't misunderstand, i understand that it says business class in the title but it also seems to imply she is paying out of her own pocket

This is why the west has fallen
Take a look at tech companies, most of their employees are Asians and Jews
Wypypo can't work for more than 7 hours

>>90713225
It's in replies, she deleted it off her timeline for some reason.

>>90713648
More like management doesn't really care what she or the rest of Advent does (cmon they didn't know about rissa's family for months), as long as they can keep using the twins for everything else.

>>90713867
this, to the suits at the top advent is basically fuwamoco and those other 3.

>>90713787
Just tell you want to be a bugman working for 14 hours and getting a shitty wage, anon

>>90703463
doom chads always win in the end.
Fauna and Chloe proved that.
Only cucks complain about the inevitable end of things.

management are literally whos. if fauna and management disagreed on something, i hope it's worth losing fauna to stand by managements decision. because now we get lemonleaf, and some no name manager with a satisfied grin that he got his way

>>90713486
Umm anon. A lot of the ex-Nijis who got screwed over gave thank you-s to the company on their good bye streams. Anything said under contract when the company owns your IP and sue you into the ground for breaking loosely defined rules is not proof.

>>90705950
management does suck though. hololive should only be used as an easy audience grab, any girl with sense would leave the moment they get an audience they can take with them

>>90713486
>She expressed several times that she wants to return at some point
Some people have a sense of pride and don't want anything to do with that shit. Yes, Ame has been streaming recently, but she only does it on special occasions to take advantage of her simps.
In the near future, you will see how scummy this "doesn't contribute anything valuable to Hololive, yet receives payment." trend is. Even Gura declines to be used for merch now.

>>90706351
>>90706666
based

>>90713674
Anon, I trust my oshi. My oshi is perfectly fine. You saplings are such retarded projecting faggots. Vast majority of Holos don't have Fauna's issues.

>>90705189
Mooming.
Soure: Hakos

>>90713322
>cutting off ties with soulless corporate lifestyle in favour of real friends and personal freedom
so... based?

>>90714893
That's not a status update, that is shallow meme spouting.
That is like asking where the fuck Gura is and getting "a" as answer.

>>90714585
>vast majority of corperate drones are happy with doing as their told to profit old japanese men
wow based drones

>>90713601
>projection

>>90703044
idc
as long as gura is present idc
the moment she is out though, holo and all of this vtubing stuff shall forever burn in the fires of irrelevancy
this i swear, as someone who actually lives in the real world (matrix)

>>90715105
>calling everyone who dares to have different opinion from his precious faufau a corporate drone
As I said, saplings are Hololive antis. I'm glad you disingenuous faggots will soon fuck off. Hololive will be better without you.

>>90715396
>is present
copebud...

>>90715015
It is an update. Moom is doing same thing as always - mooming, unbothered. Sorry that the world isn't crumbling just because green bitch had a temper tantrum.

>>90709800
>Kronii had staff issues multiple times with her outfits
KILL YOURSELF OUTFIT SCHIZO

>>90715495
your precious talents aren't even allowed to install the new vegas bugfix patch without sucking management off first
im pro- the girls, that inherently means i'm anti- bureaucracy

>>90715798
OK and?

>>90705017
if millie ever got into hololive at least you'd know 99.9 % of her post defending managment would be bullshit :P

>>90715858
fym "and"?
this is why ame and fauna left, and more will too, until everyone left only plays cash grab games of the month and releases the occasional music video that takes way longer to produce than it should based on its quality

>>90715954
Because they couldn't wait for vegas patch? That's why they left? Wow if only there was infinite number of other things they could be doing instead or in the meantime while waiting.
You don't seem to realize that you're paininting your favorites as selfish impatient bitches who aren't suited for working in a group.

>>90716055
>calls others disingenuous
that was an example of bureaucratic pettyness, not the entire manifesto
being selfish is being intelligent, management is selfish, the shareholders are selfish, the girls should be too, this is a corperation not a hobby club

>>90716175
Well yes, all parties are selfish. That's why some fuck off while others stay. Difference in perspective. It isn't damning for any of them. Fauna's selfishness told her it's better to leave. 90% of Holos' selfishness told them it's better to stay. They aren't the same persons. People are blowing things out of proportion.

>>90715954
BUT I ONLY WANT TO WATCH FLAVOR OF THE MONTH AND YAPPING BECAUSE IM PARASOCIAL YOU SICK FUCK