/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holosongs.com/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Twitch sites
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/
>https://streamscharts.com/

Man I love Fauna

So that it hololive is just done?

>>90681895
No, we can hope they renegotiate and convince her to stay and put out a statement detailing exactly how they fixed the problem.
But, hey, they'd rather leave us in the dark rather than explain why they drove off one of their talents and alienated a bunch of extremely loyal fans.

Love forever

Now that the dust has settled, is cover dumb as fuck or is Fauna being unreasonable?

I hope Fauna tells her real thoughts about her time at Holo like Ame did just after redebuting

Honestly I'm glad Fauna is cutting ties with the Bae-types
Though it feels like there's been something weird between them for a while really

Im not coping

https://x.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1863402925256822934
https://x.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1863402925256822934
https://x.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1863402925256822934

YEAHHHHHH!

>>90682073
No, but they're going to suffer some really bad bruises soon. Maybe a broken bone.
Everyone better be praying you don't see another graduation because this feels like the cusp of a flood of them.

Most of this thread seems to be made up of kids or neets who never felt like switching jobs just because they were tired of the current one or wanted to try something new.

Shitting on the girls is bad
Shitting on management is fine
If you cannot abide by this you're gutter trash and need to stop eating pagpag

>>90682123
both

>>90682123
little bit of column A, little bit of column B

>>90682123
>>90682184
>>90682194
What could she possibly have on her side to be "unreasonable" about?
Remember, headcanon isn't reality.

>Hololive will die after Coco's graduation!
>Hololive will die after Rushia's termination!
>Hololive will die after Aqua's graduation!
>Hololive will die after Fauna's graduation!
And yet, it keeps thriving.
Hololive will never die baby.

>>90682166
3k likes lots of positive feedback, we are so back nijibros

>>90682168
Fauna literally said she didn't want to leave though. You have a poor attention span, probably because your brain is rotted by the internet, so you can't even comprehend a less than 5 minute graduation announcement.

https://x.com/shiorinovella/status/1863415528523489515

>>90682168
If I could leave my job yet they would still pay me money for free to use my likeness then I would gladly accept that free money, not refuse and cut ties completely.

>>90681385
will ID get her ass for posting the names of the ID girls? I'm pretty sure she's the first one who dared to do that

>>90682123
Yes probably

>>90682168
Yeah, yeah Helmite, go continue your Hyperwar with Ernoul

>>90682179
No one would have to shit on the girls if they contributed to my narrative against Cover.

>>90682293
The pervious poster was just a liar.

>>90682249
>speculate reasons without speculating
are you genuinely brain damaged

EN numbers looking pretty good for their standard without fauna. Why the doom posting?

We like Hololive here. Go back.

>>90682168
It's also full of seamonkeys like (you) that will say the most absurd shit just to absolve management of blame

If my understanding of this whole affiliate bullshit is correct. Affiliate is a graduation, but in attempt to make shit less depressing and to confuse people they change the wording.
I'm only curious why some girls choose to become an affiliate instead of graduating?

>>90681860
They literally answered that already. Their response was "emphasize all the perks of being a Holo", so in their eyes if you're not interested in the perks then they're not going to change how the company works just for you.

>>90682249
What is so bad management wise for her to the point of completely quitting? What was she being forced to do that the other girls have no problem doing?

>>90682249
That rrat is as valid as the 50 other ones that have been spun up today. Everything discussed since the announcement is headcanon, no one has any proof.

>>90682179
Am i supposed to be mad shiori and bae are still happy in hololive

>>90682249
simply just a poor work ethic and resistance to any kind of change

>>90682168
i think her reasons are a bit more complicated than that anon

>>90682401
Oh, so you have nothing? Great, good, glad we cleared that up, trash.

>>90682425

>>90682436
Free money. I would take the deal too, not shitting on them.

Can't even bring myself to watch Biboo anymore, my usual #2, Fauna leaving might really break the curse Hololive has over me.

>>90682485
>doubling down
brain damage it is

>>90682304
Not if the terms of that involved sometimes going to Japan.

>>90682320
wait did the dumbass post Reine's stuff? If yes then I hope the fucktard gets railed

>>90682466
Great question. Why would someone walk away from a million dollar job (supposedly)?

Today, I will remind them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3IrMM0jc9M

>>90682444
Fauna said she didn't want to leave, didn't mind singing dancing and idol work, but was leaving due to disagreement with management.
This is clearly a problem and Cover needs to understand what exactly the nature of this disagreement was and if it was really worth losing their second most popular EN streamer.

>>90682553
Retarded jungle monkey

>>90682478

10K DOOOOOOOORYA

This may not be the sole reason for the management discontent, but from what has been said it seems like Cover has poor backend systems to support both management and talent. It would explain the great variance between different managers. Usually good systems, like proper documentation in a shared system or shared knowledgebase would reduce this variance since everyone would follow the same processes. This also helps with accountability as you would normally have higher up managers review the lower ranked on their performance.

Raid baby

>>90682444
They should because losing Fauna is the single biggest blow to the company they've had since losing Coco.

>>90682563
Nowhere is it implied that affiliates actually have to do anything.

>>90682588
4th
She's behind Mori and FWMC

>>90682487
You don't know her reasons any more than I do.

>>90682553
>not even the first time Cover has mismanaged a talent
>or the second
k, thanks for your input
didn't answer the question though
what do you think Fauna is being unreasonable about?

>>90682297
Shiori is amazing. I don't care what anybody says.

>>90682466
I think a big reason was having to go to Japan. Kiara thinks they could skip even FES if they wanted too, but I'm not sure Fauna could be that assertive.

>>90682263
isn't this worrying though? If Coco, Rushia, Aqua, Ame and now Fauna and Chloe are expendable... Won't the company abuse this power?

If the meltdown over Fauna is this bad, how bad is it gonna be for Gura?

>>90682640
>Mori
isn't a streamer
>FWMC
can't even get 10k consistently while Fauna is consistently Subaru-tier

>>90682574

>>90682640
I said streamer. Mori and FWMC don't get Fauna streaming numbers. You're talking about holistic popularity.
Their most popular streamer after Fauna is probably Biboo, I don't have the exact tables in front of me but I'm pretty sure.

>>90682602
meant for >>90682485

>>90682123
Both. It's the manager not getting fired and Fauna being fed up with that

Well biboo saved that collab numbers, good job numbers farmer

>>90682685
You didn't choose the right oshi.

>>90682168
>the reason for my graduation is disagreement with management
>goes on to list that she's not unhappy with anything else and wants to continue doing the things she's already doing
>wanted to try something new

>>90682076
NTA that would be the dream but it's not going to happen based on how the other girls are reacting. Feels like management gave up

>>90682485
https://litter.catbox.moe/8dt52b.ogg

>>90682702
Probably not as bad to be honest. Fauna came out of nowhere right after Chloe's announcement which is a big reason why it hit so hard. I love Gura but everybody expects it at this point and she hasn't really been actively streaming in like 2 years now.

>>90682263

>>90682681
Thats my biggest assumption as well, meaning she hated it that much, kinda weird and extreme if you ask me though.

>>90682702
its gonna be great, and than mumei right after too

>>90682436
The main reason is to keep the IP profitable even after graduation. It is also made vague on purpose so the fans don't feel as bad as they would with a full graduation.

Apparently there's a retard leaking on X every Hololive EN member PL(except justice) and there's also some members who just got their real name doxxed. No link for obvious reason.

>girls have 3am meetings
>"no management is fine"
lol?
lmao?

raora is more esl than id

>>90682528
you will be here in 2 weeks kek after her final stream, tho probably as a lemon ig

>>90682620
I wonder how many of the upper management can speak English, because not being able to take direct feedback from the talents about their direct managers seems like a pretty big flaw.

>>90682436
The only downside of not taking the affiliate route is that you can't join other corpo

>>90682702
Not really, i will be celebrating (good)

/#/ I am unable to have opinions of my own, what do I think about all of the happenings recently?

>>90682263
JPs have several dozen 5views keeping the branch alive. EN just lost its 2nd biggest hitter and its 1st biggest is basically dead, and no longer have any consistent 5views, plus the EN fanbase aren't massive bootlickers.

Oh, I didn't even notice Shiori streamed.

>>90682702
>Gura and mumei don't stream
>Fauna does
There's a difference anon

>>90682864
yeah, he's an avid NijiEN fan

>>90682862
Just uproot your life for your job and move to Japan when you don't speak any Japanese bro

>>90682702
Real bad if she comes out and says management sucks like Fauna did.

>>90682702
depends on how she presents it
I think worst case scenario will be if she doesn't even do a goodbye announcement herself and it's just a poof, cover announcement

>>90682886
FAUNA JOINING VSHOJO CONFIRMED

>>90682702
Gura will do her best to butter up the company and not hurt it with rumors because she's also a bootlicker. She won't even give a reason for graduating.

>>90682702
It's pretty bad. Even if you don't believe her, Cover has no one to replace her.

without fauna the branches average will plummet..

>>90682620
Yeah, feels like a case of grew too quickly without taking a step back and performing a self-review. Hopefully they'll do that, and they'll ask the talents first and foremost, and directly as well, no intermediaries, and listen to any complaints that they may have even if only one or two talents share the complaint. I don't mean they should 100% do what the talents demand, but they should at least have a dialogue about it. I can't imagine not doing a review with how the year has been.

>>90682436
Affiliate is literally a response to that investor after Rushia got fired about how investors wanted to keep selling merch of retired IPs. Cover found a way to do it that wouldn't piss off fans.

>>90682702
You're about to find out in the next two weeks. They be cooking in their private accounts.

>>90682792
Yeah, the ones that hurt the most are the ones that come out of nowhere. it's going to hurt financially but as long as Gura is diplomatic about it, HoloEN will continue to move forward.

>>90682842
All of Fauna's issues in the past year can literally be traced to the Japan trip, it was the beginning of the end.

>>90682263
Yummy yagoo’s cock

>>90682872
as long as she doesn't take the Dooby route of collabing with the most insufferable whores possible right out the gate then yeah I will be

>>90682914
I think you should think about Chiyaya's thighs,
then say the first word that comes to mind.

>>90682939
What's sad is this is what Cover really thought would happen.

>>90682923
EN fans are shits. Good riddance.

>literally every girl are fine with the change
>even bae confirmed that moom is okay
Is fauna fighting this battle alone?

>>90682914
You hate Hololive but if your oshi is a remaining Holo, you have no choice but to keep supporting it. In a way, Hololive is like ISIS.

>>90682870
Yeah but her accent is actually cute.

>>90683037
Eh, she most likely will, and I'll just ignore those streams unless I'm desperate for her voice in which case I'll just watch all her streams anyway despite hating those grifting whores.

>company gives you 5 new cute girls
>still complain about old and boring ones leaving
you guys need to evolve

>>90682977
yeah gura is the vtuber mascot for the rest of the world. japan has pekora/marine/korone/etc.

but gura leaving is like mickey mouse leaving disney.

>>90682702
I don't know why fags are saying it won't be as bad, it'll definitely be even worse especially because it'll be in conjunction with the meltdown over Fauna.

DU BOIS
https://x.com/hololive_En/status/1863417810401268073

>Fauna graduates
>Rrats explode hitting every holo fandom
>Every holo has to tardwrangle their chat and kill multiple rrats
>Intense fear of holo girls leaving like Fauna
Why can't management just issue a statement that they fucked up? They're having their talents tardwrangle for management's mess. Hate management, take a bow for fucking up

>>90683086
We'll find out if it was just empty corporate talk, because Fauna wasn't the only one reactivating RM accounts.

>>90683060
I don't want to think about any flopglop

>>90682620
Who needs good back end support for hololive. We need cover to diversify it's business now! Debut Flowglow, promote muh boys and add more employees to holoEarth

>>90682263
i mean, it's basically "dying", they are changing

>>90682766
thinking you can choose oshi means you never found a real oshi

>>90682862
>Kiara told management to fuck off and do meetings at a time convenient for her
>they did it
It's that easy, the girls don't have to take management's shit if they don't want to

>>90682886
Been thinking about this. We know that VShojo basically poached Kuro (as retarded as that was), is it possible they could have poached Fauna?

>>90682871
That is where good systems would help greatly. If everything is properly documented in a shared system, you can review things especially if flagged as urgent. Nowadays text can quickly be translated and doesn't need a swath of translators doing things in-person.

>>90683149
oh yea, that will surely cheer people up

>>90683106
Unfortunately I'm not part of the "new audience" they are seeking.

>>90682436
Royalties

>>90683002
>diplomatic
After all the instances of management screwing her over? Screw that. She should go full scorched earth.

>>90683157
Well, if Fauna's accusation has weight, they could lie, then get called out later and potentially tank all of EN, or they could tell the truth, and POSSIBLY tank EN.
...So stock-holders are demanding silence instead. They public now, so they are fucked.

Well if you want some news from the NijiEN side of camp, Millie released her schedule and did not mention Petra's birthday, but did mention Maria's birthday which is on the same week. Finana similarly mentioned Maria's birthday in Membership but did not mention Petra's.
Good chance that Petra may be getting terminated?

>>90683086
>works on my machine

>>90683006
kek, basically sums up this thread currently.

You guys know that Hololive's main market is JP, right? Even if there's a hit in EN, JP is as strong as ever

>>90682249
I feel like if there was anything damningly bad on Cover's end, the recent graduates would've given some indication, or maybe Kson would be rambling about sources say or something, but they've all been utterly mute on the topic.
My best rrat is that there was a pivot on the backend that created a lot of opportunities for the majority of the girls, but also closed off some opportunities for the minority. I'd guess it has less to do with investors being pissy, and more to do with Cover dealing with more Japanese big corpos, and those corpos are the ones insisting on drastically more JP corpo autism than Cover ever did. So the ones dropping out are the ones who can't or don't want to deal with that corpo autism, which unfortunately in EN means the two whitest girls bailed out. Inversely, this would also explain why so many of them suddenly started planning moves to Japan, and arguably why the most productive ENs are the ones with the best JP language skills and/or experience dealing with JP corpo autism.

>>90683198
>it didn't stick
I guess.

>>90683106

>>90683280
Hasn't Petra been gone for months? She's just waiting out her contract to graduate, that's pretty obvious, anyone even in /nijiEN/ would tell you that.

>>90683166
Aside from Gura's shitposting she kind of was. Who else?

>>90683106
5 new cute girls
> niko : 268k
> chihaya : 163k
> vivi : 138k
> su : 119k
> total : 801k

leaving
> mel : 862k
> aqua : 2.2M
> ame : 1.8M
> chloe : 1.3M
> total : 6.1M

>>90683280
Anon, I don't think any of the jp speaking nijiEN members are getting terminated.
Furthermore, why would any of them get terminated? Niji doesn't terminate for being a shitter

>>90683227
blackrock chads love this

>>90682864
>ISREAL
>12K FUCKING LIKES
Yeah just shut down the EN branch. I'm sure the EN girls are nice, but we can't risk having these faggots running around.

>>90683037
She 100% will. Fauna is one of the only ENs who talks fairly regularly about watching other streamers, she will slot right into that.

>>90683311
JP market is saturated. The only way for massive growth is outside the market.

So with HoloEN right now, the entire EN scene seems pretty grim

>>90683325
>words words words
>notice "Kson"
tl;dr

kek
>>90678779

>>90683252
Holo has grovelled over the years for fucking up, this shouldn't be any different, they have a few days to respond but I'm very unhappy with how they made such a mess. Speaking the truth and admitting they fucked up made them stand out as a good corpo. Time will tell how they handle this

>>90683385

Crazy how my oshi is still the cutest girl in all of vtubing

>>90683149
just what i needed, more homo retardation, giving me hope for the future!

>>90683198
I guess Kiara loves arguing. I imagine it gets too much if you still have to scream at management for the dumbest shit that they should already know four years down the line.

Gura just tweeted check twitter

>>90683392
>I don't think any of the jp speaking nijiEN members are getting terminated.
Ironic that you say that when the first termination was their most JP member at the time (Yugo), and the second termination was another JP-adjacent member (Zaion).

>>90683385
>>90669358

>>90683252
What exactly is Fauna's accusation? All we've got is disagreement with management, nothing specific.

>>90683457
But she's actually sick

>>90683106
DEV_IS isn't Hololive for me. I don't care how much the other girls try to include them, they feel like a spin-off.

Why does it feel like fans of non-Hololive corpos and indies are ganging up on Hololive? This is a massive attack both within and without

>>90683404
To be clear I'm specifically referring to like, Filian types.
Don't think I've ever heard her mention her
If she wants to do a stream with Lilypichu or Mint I really don't care.

Roboco will outlast all of EN

>>90683509
It's almost like Cover should release the NDA and let the concerns be addressed, huh?

Why do these faggots do this? These drama shills are the worst thing to happen to vtubing. They just stoke the flames of discontent.

>>90683227
>>90683344
>One runt defines the whole gen

>>90683157
It's Monday NOW. They might be writing up a statement.
I can't imagine what made them release the announcement on a Sunday, but it might be that they didn't expect the backlash to be this strong.
Which... why not? Back to back graduations?

>>90683252
>Fauna's accusation
>accusation
Fucking hell. They're just saying shit now.

>>90682992
You know they won't, Omega was free to reign with no pushback until Gura herself complained. Even then they only took out the head but not the people that forms management.

>>90683421
Everyone who couldn't deal with JP corpo autism bailed out. Not Cover's autism, the JP companies that they're working with.

>>90683509
Read between the lines, she said she loved everything about the job and wanted to stay. If she's leaving over disagreements with management it means they wanted her to leave and she disagreed.

>>90683587
CCGG is the one thing saving justice. Hope nothing happens to them.

>>90683457
2 things faggot

1. She never went inactive on her roommate account so she didn't "reactivate"
2. She was talking about actually being sick, lmao

Shitposting loser.

>>90683574
Boy the chat on her first stream back is gonna be so shit lmao

>>90683603
They sure are retarded for not anticipating this much anger

>>90683574
You've been fucking warned so many times that this would happen, but we let them off easy since they were focused on NijiEN.

>>90683227
>shit from the early 90s
Do you even check the image you post?

>>90683647
No, she was blunt. "I'm leaving because of management." That's not ambiguous.

>>90683421
corpos wants a piece of cover's cock but that comes with more retarded corpo nip retardation so some girls are meh or ok with it and others just dont want to deal with it

>>90683470
your oshi needs a good pounding

>>90683495
Just depressed RTs after the fact

>>90683587
You said 5 cute girls and I simply refuted that, pick your words better next time retard

Why there's a tweet trending doxing holos' RM and some real names? do they know that even some holos dont want to relate their shit with their RMs?

>>90683190
That is the funny part. A good backend system with everything being documented allows you to start automating shit. This means you can eventually drop 70% of staff or offshore easy Tier1 stuff to places like the Phillipines.

>>90683389
old subs
>fake and gay
>already left the hobby and just too lazy to unsub
>don't care about hololive or vtubers

new subs
>on the edge of vtubing
>building the future right now
>interested in the current moment

>>90683198
I mean just look at Towa, the master of killing the manager
As long as you assertive enough, you can deal with management shit unfortunately Hololive full of doormats

>>90683689
Yes, management forced her out. That's the accusation and Cover needs to address it.

>join hololive to establish an audience
>bail knowing that your audience will follow you regardless and keep all the profits to yourself
Will this be the new meta going forward? Do you think Cover knows that they're effectively doing charity work for their ex-talents by letting them go?

>>90683574
This fucking faggot.

>>90683657
>it doesn't count
lol
lmao

>>90683683
So if someone was found to be a serial killer in the 90s, it's wrong to arrest them in the current year? What the actual fuck is this logic? There's a time decay on coalburning now?

>>90683623
they went through 4 grads in recent times, this isn't like the omega case you know

>>90683086
I will never trust homo collabers especially with Fauna graduating. They knew it was a job and they did it anyway while shitting on their fans.

>>90683746
Who has the highest manager kill count? Lamy has 3 that I know of

>>90683709
jfc GG with the league..

>>90683457
This one is actually and genuinely sick. She was already talking about her nephews and nieces coming over with all kind of flu symthoms

>>90683574
>>90683665
Ngl i kinda hope Fauna takes like a 2-3 month break before she starts back up so a bit of the retards sink back into the clay first.

>>90682123
>Kiara thinks they could skip even FES if they wanted too,
Shiori straight up said that no idol activities are forced and she could skip anything she wanted to

>>90683504
sigh...

>Kronii
Never went inactive and has always posted pretty frequently on her roommate
>IRyS
Never went inactive on her roommate and has always popped up from time to time to post. She has also been verified in the past and it's a confirmed gifted blue check
>Mumei
Again, has never been inactive on her roommate and has consistently posted stuff on it
>Bae
You are going to have to post this one. I haven't seen it

>>90683541
DEV_IS is hololive in everything but name. Regloss girls didn't even know what the fuck DEV_IS and thought they were applying for JP7.

>>90683547
>like
Has it been any different?

>>90683701
Post-Selen shock has emboldened dramaretards plus Nijinigs are super pissed their corpo died

Fuck it, I'm subscribing to RMs.
See ya, Space Cowboys.

>>90683793
> the "new audience" they are seeking.
Was the topic.
Are you even capable of following a trend?

Support Cover at all cost

https://x.com/TOPRE_REALFORCE/status/1863387611609616772
Botan and Laplus Keyboard collabs.
The sales and stock numbers are very interesting

>>90683723
>the current moment in question

>>90683106
>5 new cute girls
ALREADY 3K SHITTERS
LOL, LMAO EVEN

>>90683423
>2082
kek

>>90683746
>unfortunately Hololive full of doormats
you're right. if i had to list the top pushovers of EN i would've listened ame and fauna at the very top. those two have not once in their lives stood up for themselves.

>>90683765
There's no benefit to staying unless you're only there because you like other holos and want a place to belong to. There's nothing any company in the world can do to solve that problem without oppressive use of non competes.

>>90683858
Kronii facepost was something else tho, completely out of left field.

>>90683574
this is based behavior
spread awareness so that every fan knows where to find her
if you don't support this you are anti simple as

>>90683647
Fauna's activity over the past year doesn't really seem like someone who adored the job to me, more like someone who was getting burned out.

>>90683858
>>90683782

>>90683574
Of course this fucker

>>90683574
>LL fans are mostly dramafags now
Literally selen/doki 2.0

>>90683858
>IRyS
Bruh she doesn't just post. She does an almost monthly fucking stream. It's crazy people bring up Kiara and Mori when she unironically does more than them.

>>90683701
Dramafags don’t care about what the girls want, even if they pretend they do.

>>90683900
MORE
SLOP
MORE
SLOP
YUMMY YUMMY

>>90683886
What does that have to do with anything? The new girl likes coalburning books from the 90s because she is a modern day coalburner existing in 2024, dumb shit.

>Aqua leaving
>it's talent issue
>Ame leaving
>it's talent issue
>Chloe leaving
>it's talent issue
>Fauna leaving
>"IT'S COMPANY ISSUE, MANAGEMENT ISSUE, MICOMET HARASSMENT"
>everyone else has come out and said they have no problem with Cover
>"THEY'RE BEING BRIBED OR THREATENED BY HIGHER UPS TO DO DAMAGE CONTROL"
Why are you like this?

>Raora: i would like to become mama in Hololive
>Mori: ?!?!?!?
>Raora:in drawing, in drawing
>Mori: oh okay

since this is the /#/, can we talk about the incline of drama tubers? they've been eating so good

>>90683574
>NijiEn drama
LETS GOOOO!! TOTAL NIJIEN DEATH
>HoloEn Drama
WHY DO THESE FAGGOTS DO THESE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvWDYtrRDlE

>>90683923
>those two have not once in their lives stood up for themselves.
Fauna did in order to unfuck her 3D Debut when they decided to last minute tell her they didn't have perms for a song she chose.

>>90682263
at this point even if hololive turns into kurosanji they would still be leading the industry because the competition is not trying at all

>>90683987
Yeah I'm sure Fauna who didn't even want to do shorts streams to maintain her chat quality will be happy about that lmao
Honestly makes me think >>90683848 may end up happening, she's not dumb, she knows what it's gonna be like

>>90682862
>>90683198
Advent have also never complained about meetings at unreasonable times

>>90683603
Cover is used to the JP fandom being passive as fuck. The only time the JP fandom has been actively angry at Cover was the HZNTL into Gen 0 anniversary shit where they snubbed Advent in favor of the homos.

>>90675084

>>90684019
>see a pattern
>someone confirms pattern
>NO DON'T THINK
thanks for your input, but your opinion is trash

>>90683923
This was painfully obvious with Fauna, she would specifically talk about how she hated confrontation. Maybe she's just not suited for dealing with JP corpo autism.

>>90683800
They didn't even do the bare minimum of checking how management is treating their talents much less actually providing good back end support. They'd rather have a promise member graduate with no affiliate status than fucking check their insides

>>90683996
She is making bank on those Patreon streams too. Although she hasn't done one in a while.

>>90683913
One runt does not define the whole gen

>>90683385
Shion made a new account

>>90683923
>Both can't speak Japanese too so they can't complain to the higher-ups
>Both don't have a love for Japanese culture so they can leave easily
Probably worst combo

>>90684059
They're sucking Hololive dry, but if Hololive is gone from the West, where else can they suck?

>>90683955
i think it was probably about doxxniggers and btvnegros cuz she trashed on them about not using glasses

>>90684114
Her comments recently about the story of her debut lore and it got mistranslated to giraffe. She did say that at the time she would've gone along with it, but now, she would put her foot down

>>90683709
Made me check
Fuck you

>>90683955
she got oneguy'd during her red day

>>90684019
It can be both a talent and management issue at the same time. Those things arent mutually exclusive.

>>90682993
I don't know. For me is a very shitty and shady way to keep their corpse alive if, in the end, they will not even come back for a cameo or participate without pov in a branch collab. I don't see orca or ame joining future projects.

>>90683765
I mean as long as they put in a good 3 or so years I don't see a problem

>>90683822
Would it be Towa?

>>90683574

>>90684245
I don't know how many Towa killed

>>90684019
>Aqua softened the announcement with workload mention
>anons can call her lazy
>Ame didn't give a reason at all and kept saying she's not gone gone and will come back for things in the future
>anons can call her greedy
>Chloe softened the announcement with workload mention
>anons can call her lazy
>Fauna crashed the plane with no survivors

Jannies??? Do your job?

>>90684137
yeah I don't fucking get it, this is the most obvious shitty oversight that I can see have already happened. If there was oversight, they could've parted amicably but no, it was cold. So fuck management

>>90684003
their keyboards are pretty good tho...

>>90682993
Which is funny, because no one fucking explained to the investors that this business is ENTIRELY based on FOMO. You get one fucking shot with the girls and that's it.

>>90683900
Laplus having more stock and outselling Botan shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone with a brain, Botan is one of the least popular holos in one of the least popular gens

>>90683822
Watame has had 4. 2 in 2020 then 1 for 2021 till 2024 and the current one

anything that happens next is faunas fault
she didn't have to call out management

>>90684059
Each other. These fags are parasites they NEED drama.

It's rare seeing Hololive being on the other end of shitposting when it's usually Hololive fans trash talking other corpos

>>90684060
I can't speak for anybody else but I've always called guys like him and False faggots even when they were going after NijiEN. They were vultures grifting hard off of that situation.

>>90684035
>collect the semen from her fans and inject the donation from the best specimen
>don't tell anyone who you chose, or even better have no way of knowing in the first place so it's anonymous
>every person that send their dose will think they are the father, it's a community child
looks like a win/win for me

>>90684344
Mane-chan you can go kill yourself you paycheck parasite.

>>90684279
>"Do you feel in charge?"
Based green woman.

>>90683923
>unfortunately Hololive full of doormats
Thankfully that is getting fixed with new gens like advent and justice being generally more outgoing and assertive

>>90684019
>Why are you like this?
It's called having basic reading comprehension.
>says verbatim that it's management
>schizo rrats that predicted the exact talent and date also indict micomet
What part are you struggling with?

>>90683157
>This fag think Cover is the same as it used to be
Welcome to post IPO Cover and enjoy the ride

>>90684194
Qilin (Chinese version of Kirin) is both a mythical creature and the word for giraffe because Zheng He brought one back from one of his voyages and the Ming Court decided it was the mythical beast.

man

>>90684398
Aww you mad? Fauna-chan is gone while the managers are still here

>>90683923
>>90684421
>women act like women
>"this is a problem"
westrot

>management depresses gura to the point of quiet quitting
>management now pisses off fauna to the point of quitting
note that the top 2 who are also unicorn friendly are getting burned while the homo collabers feel perfectly fine
some kike is doing this on purpose

>>90684240
It's for the manga/anime or whatever IP project they want. It would them as NPC just like any non-chuuba characters in the story
I don't think they would make merch unless it has a connection with some manga project

>>90684019
Because 4 times in 4 months is a pattern and only the dumbest of seamonkeys can't see it
Also you are wildly blowing shit out of proportion, but I guess that's expected from seanog damage control

>>90684444
we'll see but they're def not escaping the multiple allegations, they're under a microscope now

>>90684493
>mask off
Anon... this isn't the own you're hoping for.

I hate the fact that the Dookie fallout pretty much normalized PLshit. I sude to think that the nudge nudge wink wink bullshit was annoying but these cocksuckers just straight up namedrop and link shit.

>>90684093
>The only time the JP fandom has been actively angry at Cover was the HZNTL into Gen 0 anniversary shit where they snubbed Advent in favor of the homos.
Got links/screencaps? I didn't know about this

>>90683574
Don't check the people she's following

>>90684096
now this one i can agree, GG also has those little moments of frustration/depression like PoruPoru gigimama hate!

>>90683106
>>90604899
>>90645511
the company that makes the talents popular and not the other way around, of course

>>90684019
They're not getting bribed, they're covering their own asses so that the fans stay.

>>90684360
What’s Bizarro World like?

>>90684537
stop noticing patterns

>>90684576
She follows homos? fucking hell thats it, im done

https://x.com/amami_amii/status/1863421795816419824

>>90684575
You could probably just go look at the HLZNTL related tweets, and at how they memory-holed the fuck out of the project.

>>90684566
it's not like people here didn't do their best to stoke that fire
or the Sayu shit before that
it did make it better of vtubers themselves, but it stripped some magic out of vtubing in the process

>>90684566
We're all at fault for going along with it because with Doki it was being used against Niji, but now it's used with everyone.

>>90684537
Why did they also ghost Kronii? It was also because she ignored the homos after the two quit. Why is management ignoring the blue homo? It's because he's no longer pushing for more hololivexhomo collab. It's all about that community without boundaries vision they like so much.

>>90684137
Do they have proper systems or processes in order to even do that? It sounds like they don't.

>>90684537
>while the homo collabers feel perfectly fine
Ame?

>>90684566
their feelings matter more than the actual target of their moralfagging, always happens with these types of culture crusaders

>>90684656
she follows pippa bro arguably worse than homos

>>90684566
Explain why you think being a fan of the talent and not the cartoon character they wear is bad. Use your words.

>>90684360
i know this is shitpost but some ppl actually believe shit like this so i'll tell you already
no, you absolute retard, at much i just laugh for 1 min and then move on to catch up some vods, i do not fucking care about anything else than hololive

>>90684705
>>90684732
Western vtubers don't have to follow the outdated jap bullshit

Here's your new direction bro. U rike?

>>90684732
>We
Do you mean all the drama monkeys coming to this board looking for 'forbidden' knowledge and anonymity to say retard takes and shit the place?

>>90684537
fine theory, now explain why the homos are getting shat on by manager too

>we are never forced to do anything we don't want to do
>we swear
>must participate in Fes and forced to travel to Japan
>tha tha that that doesn't count!

>>90684801
They are a weave of both things

>>90684780
Ame checked out ages ago back when her homoshilling flopped, and just wants indiebux which is why she's an affiliate and hasn't started spamming male collabs.

>>90684877
You didn't explain shit. Try again.

big cat means big pussy

>>90684781
and nobody cared about this tweet and keep doing whatever i want because muh social points

>>90684566
and then they wring their hands and moan 'how could this happen' when the massively increased exposure finally hits a jackpot on a motivated-enough schizo looking up their shit on archive.org and arriving at their doorstep to offer their personal 'help and support'

>>90684762
They don't. It's why diverting resources for their other projects and branches was retarded without stabilizing Hololive's foundation.

>>90684852
>Numbers hates JPs now
Wow, things have really changed around here.

>even kaela is calling fauna a liar
its joever boys...
shes a lying grifter

>>90684788
Who else?

>>90684866
Are you implying the homos have the same manager as the girls? There's no correlation.

>>90684566
it was always going to happen desu. Even before selen everyone knew who kson was and all graduations were big deals across the vtuber sphere. It's impossible to keep to keep the lid on something hundreds of thousands of displaced fans now want to know.

>>90684732
I told halschizo and his legion of seashart discord buddies to fuck off with his False worship from this thread

>>90684864
I don't get this picture, it seems like there are still millions of yen. Qrd?

>>90684537
Don't be dumb. Kiara and Irys are fine, Mumei didn't get shit for her silence during the homo collab and never got into another one, zero pressure on Advent even after the hilarious FWMC incident.
Gura's passion was destroyed by permissions autism. Fauna might be this plus pressure to meet numbers or participate in things she doesn't want. Homos are not the pattern you're looking for.

Kaela is saying something but my connection is cutting in and out. Sorry if I got any of this wrong

She'll do what she's the best at and wants to do things she can give her best at , which means gaming streams and not karaoke. Cover songs and events is what she can do right now, but not karaoke.

In every meeting she has with her manager, they never force her to sing. They just talk about her game plans. It's all game projects.

>>90683423
Lol
Lmao

>>90683603
It was that bad the reaction? I was out just for a day to clean my mind. Although I would understand the feeling, not even a week and another holo graduating with the same phrase
> Disagreement with management

>>90683086
Yes.

>>90684801
Explain why aren't you respecting the talents who want to separate their personas/personal life >>90684781

>>90685001
Okay, but, they don't even keep up keyfabe. That shit was dropped a long time ago. We've long since gone beyond being fans of the "character" and more about learning their personal lives and behaviors.
So, why is it bad to be a fan of the woman instead of a corporate IP?

>>90684852
no one saying they have to, but part of the charm was the focus on character as its own existence
now it's more of a classic VA deal

>>90684873
Fes is technically not mandatory but you know if a girl doesn't participate mountains of graduation rrats would form about it so obviously the girls want to avoid that

>>90683574
Hope you enjoy your new company saplings, lol

>>90685069
It's not the idol activities that's the issue. It's
>Traveling to Japan

>>90684732
>We
kys nigger, doki endorsed it herself because she wanted to transfer all her fans over out of spite

>>90684873
chiara said you can opt out of FES if you want
but who would turn down partying in japan? maybe only shiori

all of hololive is siding with management
looks like fauna was the problem after all

>>90684566
I’ll at least say that /haha/ seems to treat Doki as an exception to the rule and not a precedent. They apologized to /who/ for the dramabaiting clipnigger who prompted the tweet here >>90684781.

>>90685082
You should see the replies to Yagoo's generic as fuck tweets under both Fauna and Chloe's graduation posts

>>90685110
>corporate NDA
Now that you have a perfectly logical answer trying to dodge with a deflection, your turn. Answer.

>>90685156
chuchuchu

>>90684873
>forced
Fucking newfags.

>>90684962
they are both cover co employees of course there is correlation, also according to your theory management is trying to push the homocollabing, then why are they abandoning the homos?

>>90684939
You glow

>>90685186
Nice try, raidchama.

>>90685069
FWMC having a similar-esque message. Wow is every Holo having to tardwrangle their chat? I'm surprised holoID also got hit but I know holoJP had Pekora complain about rrats.

Fauna shitting on management caused such a cascade, this is based for her frustrations.

>>90682159
Bae is the one who cut ties with fauna rather than the other way around. Fauna used to act like a kind older sister to Bae and comfort her, Bae gradually evolved from 'cute girl' into 'rave whore' and the rest is history.

>>90684801
I have no problems with supporting the people behind the funny cartoon avatars. In fact I encourage them. What I don't like is dramaniggers fanning the flames and dictating what you should do. It should be a natural occurrence not an obligation.

>>90685143
Kill yourself Mahdeen, you pedophile.

Fauna is just one person, and people are much more likely to believe a group over an individual. Just like what happened with all of NijiEN forming a narrative against Zaion, if everyone says there's no problem with management and Fauna can't talk about the specific problems because of her NDA. Everyone will side with the remaining Hologirls over Fauna, and Cover will survive this rough patch just fine. Nothing can destroy them short of having a Selen type disaster in the future. Obviously they don't have to actually smear Fauna like what happened with Zaion, but convincing people that the management problems are happening to only Fauna should be a piece of cake and the fanbase will eat it up. Instead of seeing management as a company wide problem, people will just write it off as Fauna's personal issues with the company. Everyone will forget all about it soon after she graduates, and will get distracted by the next gen or a cool Holo event.

>>90685079
>Who cares not my oshi
That's what I'm getting here, Never has it felt more cold than now.

>>90685064
Oh I must have missed the part where those 2 are the top 2 ENs and prime targets for culling, instead of the 2 I mentioned.
Also I don't know why you kfp shills keep naming Kiara as unicorn friendly when she gives attention to shit like koefficient.

>>90684864
Right now there's virtually 0 difference between dev_is and hololive. This is most likely just the result of oversaturation.
At least post their numbers after they collab with homos or something.

>>90684866
They aren’t, they’re transitioning to getting equal treatment and complaining about not getting pampered more than the girls.

>>90685143
The management made her do it

>>90684873
They aren't forced to go to fes. Atleast try to pretend you're not a nijinig.

>>90685143
Homobeggars really desparate over an old follow

>>90682168
Because in real life 99% of people don't drop a 700k a year grossing job because they "want to do something else" you spoiled faggot.

>>90685064
Kiara addressed the permission thing being one of the things that notably improved over the years, yet the further we go the less involved Gura was, so that ain't the pattern either

>>90685153
And we went along with it because Niji was the target. We're like politicians who change laws when we're in power only to hate it when we lose power and those changes are used against us.

>>90684864
I don't like it, and even less when they are using the holos to save their fuck ups and pet projects.

>>90685207
>corporate NDA
>looks at past Mori
LMAO nice answer faggot, now kill yourself

>>90685272
>I don't like dramaniggers!
Okay, great, glad we agree. However, that's just another deflection. No one cares about the drama niggers, none of them are above 3-view. They're a non-problem.

>>90685011
Don't look at Holox monetization stream numbers.

>>90685186
so true seaniggie, let's all shit on some more talents while we're here. Can't have managemennt losing face after all!

>>90685158
She said you probably could, but no one has ever really tried besides haachama who was on hiatus. It's also 100% a black mark on your record management will treat you differently than the members who went.

>>90685256
It's a good thing, give more proof against the retards going "b-but idol culture".
Oh who am I kidding, they tried using that shit on Fauna despite her explicitly denying that on her announcement.

>>90683325
I think people are honestly making more out of this then it is, it's probably not one single thing but a bunch of little things that she was dissatisfied with. Though honestly I think the biggest factor is Doki, Mint and Dooby broke out solo and proved that it was possible to redebut successfully.

I have no idea what the financial side looks like but I'd imagine for Fauna she probably didn't make that much from corpo deals being EN and not living in Japan, she had a lower sub count then most, but as I understand had a good viewer-to-donation ratio meaning she has cultivated a smaller but more loyal viewership, even if she loses a percentage of her viewers if cover is no longer getting a cut she might not be making that much less money. And I know that everyone thinks it's no big deal but seriously travelling for work is fun maybe the first 2 times, then it's a huge pain in the ass that completely disrupts your life. Every job sucks and has things you don't like but once you have an alternative and start doing the napkin math in your head and realize you could maybe take a small paycut but strip out a ton of the bullshit it's hard to come back from that

the first thing I thought when I heard the news was "yeah that makes sense, if shes gonna go solo, right now is the time to do it"

>>90685151
>medium about virtual entertainment
>force people to physically travel across the world
This is where Cover lost the plot

>>90685291
The Zaion situation was a bit different though. I don't know if you were around for when she was active as Zaion but she was a fucking mess, like, a total schizo.

>>90685207
nta but you are retarded as fuck, she's commenting on the behavior of people who are not bound by NDA, not her own inability to link names together

The idea that Fauna would want to skip fes is hilarious

>>90684873
The "talents can opt out of anything" line is super disingenuous and only believable to those who've never actually held a real job. If a company says Saturdays is "voluntary, you don't need to come in" but everyone else does anyway and you don't, it's not voluntary lol. You will absolutely suffer for it going forward, either by getting worse positions or less support. It's even worse for Japanese work places. Just dare to leave before your boss does even if the work day is over and now you're on unpaid time.

>>90685348
>"past Mori"
And who might that be? Are you saying she posted RM on her professional Mori account?

>>90685346
Dev_is is Hololive and whatever shit cover does once again. Fuck em

>>90685375
>she has cultivated a smaller but more loyal viewership
she was the #1 girl wtf are you talking about?

>>90685158
>>90685312
>Fauna-chan, you can technically not do Fes, but that means some of your privileges will have to be taken away
>you can not do Fes though
>I will remind you again you can just not do it

>>90685402
She literally spelled out that she didn't want to leave, that she liked being an idol, that she really came to love singing, and these motherfuckers are still using that angle. Absolutely baffling.

>>90685194
Did they now? Because up until that point dokiniggers would non stop namedrop her well before that clip caused that response.

>>90685400
That's not what was said at all and we already finished the back-and-forth with them agreeing RM stuff isn't a problem, you mongoloid.

>>90685479
>Totally making stuff up

>>90685291
Good, just like sport.

Team>individual

>>90685302
I'm still here for you sapbro. No matter what happens, we're both going to make it.

>>90685156
chuuuchuchuchu

>>90685429
It's probably on the same line as team building activities.

>>90685429
>HUH? Hard work is rewarded? NO WAY.
Yeah, Saplings that was the thing that Fauna was missing....

You guys didn't do anything when Aqua graduated, why should JP holofans do anything when Fauna graduates now?

>>90685304
That's the main issue with them, they should have been something segregated from Hololive. But I think they want the device to replace hololive with that 'new direction' to a magical place with a bountiful invisible market.

>>90685338
She can say what she wants, but Gura's second song is still in purgatory, so licensing and perm bullshit is still a major problem.

>>90685301
Since when is Fauna a top 2 EN?

>>90685158
Shiori might have hinted at that being a possibility with her saying idol work is not her priority but I don't think she would mind going to japan for a few weeks for recordings, the last japan trip being 3 months long was too much for her personally

>>90682073
It's over. Yagoo will sell his controlling stake and retire to hokkaido to raise a special "nu-wagyu" cattle strain. Roboco will be found dead in a pile of garbage. Noel will get a boob job so she has the biggest tits in japan but the silica will poison her and she will get molested while in a coma. Miko will retire and raise 5 children. Pekora will suffer complications from her anti-cat allergy meds and also go into a coma with noel and be molested too. Flare will molest both of them after being committed to a psychiatric ward due to seeing a clownfish. Koyori will up her streaming game and start doing 16 hour streams. Momomomo Nene will finally succeed in capturing a large beetle. I don't care about the rest.

>>90685431
He doesn't remember the dice in her first mv

>>90685429
Yeah, this.
>It's voluntary, but there will be consequences.
Shit's transparent.

>>90685343
are you literally retarded? if the person themselves wants it then it's fine, but obviously not everyone is fine with it which is what we are talking about now in the context of some doxxtranny naming every single holo

>>90685482
What did you expect? They're just empty retards searching for a high in any way they can.

>>90685207
>NDA
even for indies «PL» are pretty taboo

>>90685523

>>90685333
Some people do indeed give up money out of choice, or take a lower paying job for one reason or another.

>>90685456
So is kson

>>90685301
I bet you get really mad everytime IRyS personally responds to Kanauru.

>>90685520

>>90685563
>some dice counts, truly
lol oh my fucking doxbeats are now fully delusional, DESPITE NOT GIVING A SHIT ABOUT RM STUFF ALL THIS TIME
Why are you even arguing against me at this point?

>>90685553
I hope she does, I love seeing her on stage even if I understand it's not her priority

>>90682163
You wish sapkek.
We'll get maybe Gura graduation next but literally every member is saying they don't plan on graduating.

>>90685482
SEAslugs don't understand English well enough to comprehend a 5 minute video. It's honestly sad.

>>90684083
In Japan the holo competitors are
>Anycolor- owns nijisanji and virtuareal, black company
>Snoy- gave up on making their own and just own part of anykara, black company, no games
>Brave- owns a bunch of shit like vspo and globie, black company

>>90685220
So you're saying Shiori's manager can order Pekora around or something? Don't reply to me again with your idiocy.

>>90685376
While I do applaud the tardwrangling for their chats, I want to hear the person responsible for fucking up. Bright side is that they're going to take this as a learning moment at least. What is nice with Cover is a big yab tries to be avoided twice if possible.

Kind of sad a graduation like this has to cause change. Stupid...

>>90685595
There were also real names in the tweet, it wasn't just PL.
Anyone defending the nigger is a falseflagging Nijisister.

>>90685620
I mean was kek

I asked Twitter, with good response of 670 people (with a good fraction who also wished death upon me) if they want to either
>kick Fauna
>kick every HolostarEN
guess which one was higher

>>90685255
Except it was Fauna who cancelled their last known collab. Try again subhuman

>>90685552
Fauna has the 2nd highest ccv after Gura, and during enreco there was even a point where her ccv was higher than Gura's.

>>90685612
Oh so when you quit being a doctor and switched to painting landscapes on your youtube channel what drove that sudden change?

https://cover-corp.com/contact/
Reminder, if you want your voice to actually be heard fill the form out with your shop email so they know you're serious.

>>90685620
Coco was a 2k streamer in Holo though

>>90685717
Anon, tell us (and provide screenshots).

>>90685532
So much for choice, huh? So much for you can do what you want and there's no pressure.

>>90685333
I went from a $160k/yr job to a 130k/yr job because my previous manager would force his work on me and when I complained nothing would get done, then the manager would get pissed off at me and talk shit about me to my coworkers who didn't say shit about it nor defended me. I was pretty much isolated. It wasn't a fun experience.

>>90685736
okay I'll go do that, thanks anon, I'm still upset

>>90685205
Wow is just like a tuesday for him.

>>90685718
Bae is a bad friend and brats are bad fans.

>>90685509
>That's not what was said at all
so are you ESL or just mentally ill?

>>90685502
I’d assume it was mostly catalogtards who would occasionally bother /who/ with it. /haha/ knows /who/ has the polar opposite stance from them on the issue and try to keep that shit in their own thread.