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>>90562666HUH
>>90562666>not an affiliate
>>90562666Talent Freedom wins again
>>90562666fuck my stupid evil incel life
AIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>90562666pain
gura
Fucking BULLSHIT
>>90562666FUCK MANAGEMENT>FUCK MANAGEMENTFUCK MANAGEMENT>FUCK MANAGEMENTFUCK MANAGEMENT>FUCK MANAGEMENTFUCK MANAGEMENT>FUCK MANAGEMENT
Damn.
>>90562666no one cares
MANAGEMENT HATE
>>90562666Thank you for the news Satan.
it was an honor gentlemen
Mommy noooo uuuuuuuuu
She just wanted to stream games and be an anime girl. Stupid fucking management.
Posting in a sticky...
grim
https://youtu.be/dQLngV189IU?si=W_CW37Mbwbly9FlD it's so over....
Take the AI pill already
>>90562666Not even copefilliate?
I wish we could find out what the fuck is wrong with Cover now, clearly something nasty has been brewing the past year overall.
posting in a ebic tread
>>90562998ratio
HUH?
>>90562666AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>Fauna has significantly contributed to the growth of hololive production.That really is all they care about, isn't it?
fuck management honestly >>90562666
>COVER IS FINE>DON'T FEED THE HATERS>COVER IS FINE>DON'T FEED THE HATERS
Why am I alive?
Since A-chan left, management has just been shit huh?
>>90562666even the announcement is written like "thanks for the money"fuck cover
>>90562666>no affiliate status>comes right out and says she's leaving because of managementdamn
sour fruit and things that grow on trees
I'm sorry saplings
>>90562666I'm so fucking tired man, I hate this year
>>90562666Nah Hololive is dead to me. Cover fucked up
>>90562666KARMA KARMA KARMA KARMA KARMA
>>90562666>no affiliateIts even more over than we though possible
50 STREAMERS600 EMPLOYEES50 STREAMERS600 EMPLOYEES50 STREAMERS600 EMPLOYEES50 STREAMERS600 EMPLOYEES50 STREAMERS600 EMPLOYEES50 STREAMERS600 EMPLOYEES
I'm just going to go ahead and unsub everything Cover now. It's a sinking ship. Best to disassociate now.
Why did they stop doing the white background announcements
We are gonna get her to 1 million right?
B-BUT THE STOCKS AND CONCERTS, AREN'T YOU HAPPY???
>>90562666Council is dead to me
>I'm graduating is because of disagreements with managementShe just straight up said it, pretty cold
Sapling chernobyl...
>>90562666
has any holo who left ever mentioned what management's been doing wrong?
GO TO HELL MANAGEMENT
>>90562666there seems to be a HUGE disconnect between management and Fauna, especially considering "disagreement with management" was one of her big reasons. The way that this letter is written is soulless as fuck
>>90563062nah. she said she’s leaving because of management so why would she still want to deal with them as an affiliate
>it's not because of idolshit>it's differences with the managementlol it's clearly the idolshit, why else would she even bring it up explicitly
You were all warned for months. Every single one of you were warned for months on end.And now you've found out the hard way.
Rip fauna, won't ever watch her indie stuff but good luck to her.
REPORT IN NOW
FUCK SHAREHOLDERS
All management stuff aside, if she doesn't immediately go indie she will, it's probably a pain to play the same character forever
Were the LA management sexually harrasing them or fucking what?
>>90562666NOT an affiliate this time
>>90563068Not watching your pajeet, thing.
I need to fucking kill myself
>black companyBlack company>black companyBlack company>black companyBlack company>black companyBlack company>black companyBlack company>black companyBlack company>black companyBlack company
you've uuuu'd your last uuuu
>>90562666FUCK MANAGEMENTEvery single suit and finance faggot at cover should be shot immediately
HAS SOMEONE CHECKED IN ON THE SAPLINGS???
>13
Fauna was ENs biggest talent next to Gura who defecto quit anyway. Not good holokeks
was the orc correct?
great day for /ybc/
>>90562666Uhhh holokeks?What's happening? I thought you said "hololive only grows stronger"? Y'all literally lost one of your powerhouse right now
I seriously though Mumei was gonna leave next.
Gura will be graduating before 2025
That’s right. No affiliate. It’s permanent. No coming back. She’s leaving on bad terms with Cover.
https://cover-corp.com/en/news/detail/20241201-01>We regret to inform you that on January 3rd, 2025 (PST), Ceres Fauna will graduate from the VTuber group hololive English>Regarding this graduation, we will provide separate announcements about merchandise related to Ceres Fauna through the hololive production OFFICIAL SHOP. Please wait for further informationSo I'm confused. Cover has done this affiliate thing with two of their talents and now this is a proper graduation but there's stuff regarding merchandise? How does this work?
>>90562666At least Fauna is honest about how affiliate is a fucking scam
>the reason for graduation is disagreement with management>i love singing and dancing on stage>the reason i am leaving is not because i dont want to be an idolMANAGEMENT HAAAAAAAAAATE
>>90562666Does it mean that she doesn’t want cover to profit off her dead body? Kinda based
This is the death of Hololive brand. All these graduations are bad look.
I think management might be combining the stars with the girls. The ones that don’t want to do male collabs are leaving. I expect more soon
I'm betting that Gura is next
>>90563196HOLOBRONIES??? What happened to Nijisanji being black because some fat menhera said so?
>>90563303Pikamee is the worst possible person to post with this cause she had it made already working for Gyari
I don't know why but I blame zen
>>90562666The way Fauna framed her leaving was that she didn't want to. What the fuck are management doing lately that it's killing their talents like this?She didn't even do the new affiliate meme, just straight to graduation.
Fauna, you have my support!
>>90562666Green isn't creative color. They wanted to make her rainbow like DEI overload ask her. She refuse so she can't be even affiliate
rip bozo
>>90563198This+ thousands of shareholders who jumped from Nijisanji to Cover and are now calling the shots (the same shots that sunk Nijisanji)
loooool
>>90563227The whore is leaving, why should we help her?
>the reason for my graduation is disagreement with management
>>90563142it feels like management became a monolith incapable of compromise
At this point, gura graduation is imminent.
>>90563275It's one thing to drop a vague "bad management" and a whole other thing to go into details. We'll never know really unless someone goes full scorched earth after reincarnating
UWUUUUUUUUUUUU STICKY
toasting in an epic bread
Say it with me. FUCK MANAGEMENT.
>>90563445guess they're having to retire Fauna merch
at this rate I feel like mori will be the only one left in holo EN, if only because she's likely already chained down by music industry contracts anyway.
>>90562666Management should burn for fucking up enough to make her leave.
>no affiliatelmao
>>90563445Fauna probably didn't agree to keep being Fauna as an affiliate
To the guy who works at the boba shop I frequent,I'm sorry about your oshi...
Who's next?
yo she legit threw the fucking management under the bus holy shit
>>90562666>CouncilSo uhh, about Promiserys?
>>90562666>NO AFFILIATION>DISAGREEMENT WITH MANAGEMENTYOU ALL CALLED ME A FOOL, BUT TOTAL CORPO DEATH WAS 2024, SEE?
>SHE STRAIGHTS UP SAYS MANAGEMENT IS BAD I DONT WANT TO BE PART OF THIS ANYMORE>no sugarcoating, no "affiliate", no soft graduation, no "i will be back anytime i want">Straight up, FUCK MANAGEMENT, FUCK YOU, FUCK THIS CONTRACT IM OUTlmao holy fucking she is going out with a bang
>>90562666THISISMANAGEMENTSFAULTFUCKING KILL YOURSELF YAGOO
>>90562666The fans deserve some explanation on what is going on with management.
>>90562951
Mumei soon.Finana soon.
>A second graduationALL GENERALS REPORT IN AGAIN.
>>90563302it's management forcing her to do idolshit, what other explanation is there?
all the shit talking about pomu and selen graduating at the beginning of the year...you guys got too comfortable
Gura and Mumei next
>>90562666Time to jerk that tiny sapling branch one last time for mommy Fauna.
>>90562666FUCK HOLO!
>you have to work for more than 2 hours now>"I DISAGREE" *graduates*KEK
This "management" shoould all kill themselves. Fuck, man.
So what exactly was the disagreement with management?
AhemKill managers. Behead managers. Roundhouse kick a manager into the concrete. Slam dunk a manager into the trashcan. Crucify filthy managers. Defecate in a managers food. Launch managers into the sun. Stir fry managers in a wok. Toss managers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a managers gas tank. Judo throw managers into a wood chipper. Twist managers heads off. Report managers to the IRS. Karate chop managers in half. Curb stomp pregnant managers. Trap managers in quicksand. Crush managers in the trash compactor. Liquefy managers in a vat of acid. Eat managers. Dissect managers. Exterminate managers in the gas chamber. Stomp manager skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate managers in the oven. Lobotomize managers. Mandatory abortions for managers. Grind manager fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown managers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize managers with a ray gun. Kick old managers down the stairs. Feed managers to alligators. Slice managers with a katana.TOTAL MANAGEMENT DEATH
>>90563108It's time for Japan to take a hard look at their toxic work culture (they won't)
>>90562666>666UUUUUUH
guys, you're only hearing one side of the story
>>90563269SUISEI BTFO'D. Fauna just took a shit all over her. This confirms that there are management puppets at least
https://x.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1863028394809757849
>>90563030>join an idol company>don't wanna do idol shit>blame management>"fans" backlash against the company and show up to her new/old persona with loads of cash for hershe's playing you all like the retards you are
>I live in a world where Faunaschizo won
Apologize
>>90562666>Wait, people are still making a fuckton of money without the blue dorito? Fuck this, fuck my "friends" I'm outta here!!The current Hologirl mentality.
>>90563662dumbass, she debuted as part of council, promise only came later
>>90562666It's over, climate change won, mother nature is no more.
>>90562666I wonder if she'll get far enough into LA Noire to get to the gamer word parts?
I liked Fauna well enough but I'd already moved on to indies. And then my indie oshi joined hololive anyway.Sorry it had to be this way, saplings.
>>90563310/vcuck/ hereI can't believe our queen is graduatingFUCK
>>90563445Affiliate status = on good terms with Cover CorpGraduation = on bad terms with Cover Corp
>>90563445they decided fauna wasn't a big enough brand to be worth keeping. it's all bean counters making decisions now niggaaaaa
>>90563726h-holy moly...
COVER rn
>>90562666MANAGEMENT HATE
>>90563668Fauna decided might as well become the “Dragoon” of HoloEN.
Management has actually done nothing besides organize more concerts.Blaming them is a convenient cope for lazy whores who thirst for indie money, so they can snake out of hololive without looking like grifters.Do you seriously think current management is somehow worse than 2021-2022 management (whose cancer was VERY visible from the outside) yet somehow NOBODY can point to anything they are currently doing that's so bad?>I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idolRORU RORUMAO lying bitch. Enjoy your reactslop on twitch when LL comes back.
>>90562666BLACK COMPANY
>>90563683I actually thought Mumei would be next to leave.
>>90563269>literally explicitly blames management as the reason why she graduated>posting this bullshit>>90563445Based fauna for not letting cover milk her brand for even a second longer than necessary.
>>90563523Pushing for more group 3D recordings. Fauna doesn't hate being an idol but she doesn't want to travel to JP. She said it several times before
>>90562666I am broken
>>90562666BUY THE DIP
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MAKE 30 BAIT THREADS A DAY, GET FUCKED YOU PIECE OF SHITS
I don't care how bad my boss is or how many BS meetings I need to attend, if I am getting paid $300k+ on top of a fat merch sales cut to sit in my house all day and stream/play games as a job, I will prostrate and worship the ground my bosses walk on to keep it going
>>90563658Mumei, Gura, Ina. Take your pick.
>>90563751Probably the same as the other complaints. A lot of project rejections.
>>90563068thistotal 3dpd death
>>90563030Did she, in fact, hate being an idol?
>>90562666TOTAL MANAGMENT DEATH
>disagreement with managementDid she want to collab with males that badly?
>>90562666>666 sticky from hellFauna betrayed us
>>90562666Fuck management
I mostly stopped watching after the extended Japan arc last year, I guess things kept changing since then. Weird feeling.
They all say they want to be idols. This is, of course, wonderful, but to achieve this goal, you need to work hard: do paperwork, coordinate permits, follow a diet and keep fit, go to dance practice and rehearsals, participate in various projects.This is the real "being an idol", and not what they dream of, imagining how they go on stage in the spotlight and and causing the audience to ejaculate involuntarily
>>90563924The crying did come off as BPDesque
Her roommate is already active again, so I fully expect she'll be collabing with Dooby, Mint and Dokibird by the end of January.
>>90563445>Cover has done this affiliate thing with two of their talentsWhich two? I thought it was just Ame.
>>90563792He was always right but Saplings were too busy screeching brownfeet at him to accept the truth
>>90563142I feel like A-chan was the canary regarding the shift in management. She left for the same reason: disagreement in the management and direction of hololive following the IPO.
>>90563275They have never said and I wouldn't be surprised if there's an NDA keeping them from doing so.But if I can take a swing it's probably just that they're overly controlling when the girl just wants to be a streamer.
It is mindblowing that the company is just letting all this happen and not course correctingThey really think they're going to rake in billions off their shitty game dont they?
>>90563924she'll finally be able to collab with her fav streamer, NL
>>90563365It's literally fine, her alt just uploaded and gained 20k subs since yesterday, she's not going anywhere
This is TRULY the beginning of the end
It’s time for the Shondo / Lemonleaf collab
I literally saw someone respond to the chloe graduation earlier with "well, at least theres still fauna"Holos on suicide watch
don't forget jannies jobbed the sticky>>90550340>>90550340>>90550340>>90550340>>90550340
>>90562666HOLOLIVE IS FALLING
2025 hololive announces all branches collaboration with Tenga and their new onahole series.
who's next
>>90563924>yet somehow NOBODY can point to anything they are currently doing that's so bad?What about Hololive going public in 2023 retard-kun?
>>90562666Disagreement with Management.It's time we acknowledge that Cover is having some serious issues with how they're overbearing on their talents to the point they're quitting like they are.Fauna doesn't even sound like she's going affiliate, just straight up graduating.
WHAT THE FUCK IS MANAGEMENT DOING?!?FUCKING HELL YAGOOO CLEAN UP YOUR MESS!
>>90562666I came here to laugh at you
>>90562666>Hololive will die in our lifetime.Damn. I did not expect that
>>90563399You keep saying this enough times eventually it will be true right? Lmao
At least Cover isn't making them wait in a queue to leave. That's the best spin I can put on this. But it's looking awfully grim.
Stay humble anons and love your oshi and your friends anywhere they go
>>90563759yeah and the other side of the story is bootlickers like fubuki and suisei
>>90562666TOTAL HOLONIGGERS DEATH
its over
>>90563989Definitely Mumei
Clearly gonna join the growing dooby doki mint block.
>>90564069Why are you still coping? She literally said she was okay with being an idol but management is shit
>pretending she cares about singing or idolshitIt's all a farce
>>90563786She explicity said in her graduation announcement that she wanted to do idol stuff and enjoyed it
>Niji sunk hard>all the retard employees moved to Holo>Holo is sinkingHold me bros
>>90562882>affiliate"affiliate" just means "literally graduate, plus here's a manager to spew some sinister crooked lies to cheat you out of a few more dollars".
>>90563142Management was terrible in the lead up to 2023 when a lot of talents were on hiatus or might as well have been, got better for a while and now either they've gotten worse again or, and this is more and more plausible to me after we see how much the girls have been given as compensation for management fucking up perms and generally shutting down cool ideas, have gotten more entitled and simply aren't willing to work with any management.
>>90563445Affiliate = on good termsGraduations = on bad terms, but not bad enough to give each other middle fingers yetTermination = middle finger
all boards, report in
No, my go to dork. I can't even get a Nendroid of her now. Fuuuuckk, WTF is going on in hololive corporate that's making the talent leave left and right?
Good, fuck corpos. She'll be better off now. Proud of her for escaping.
>>90563068>WATCH THE SLOP, ANON! IT'S GREAT!Kill yourself.
>>90564069nobody gives two gay fucks about the dancing shit though everybody just wants to see them play games and talk on the internet. Only the retarded faggots in management pretend the idolshit matters
>>90562666WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ONWHAT THE HELL IS MANAGEMENT DOING???
What the fuck is management doing/not doing?
it's over
>>90563736just a reminder that fauna works even less, no 3D, no travel to breaking dimensions etc
>>90563365/UUU/ became Jonestown
What a year.
>>90563406>Powerhouse >Runt of her gen How is Doki doing right now btw? Looks like the pity views have been dwindling.
>>90563751>You can't stream games that would get the Japanese company sued by Japanese laws>Don't bring up politics.>Event attendence, staying physically fit
>>90564086Funny how 100% of the PL accounts re-active recently have ended up in the person graduation from a corp.Something fucking insane seems to be going on around all corps.
>plays League once
Merry Christmas everyone :D
>2 graduations back to back>Both holos i likedI don't think i can do this anymore bros
Okay gentlemen, how long until hololive fuckin DIES?
>>90562666>Fauna has significantly contributed to the growth of hololive productionlmao
>>90563310>>90563693/mint/ reporting inMy condolences to the saplings; hope she reincarnates soon
>>90563302exactly. No girl is going to hold the mic and say she hates singing and dancing when they've joined hololive. She found out she hates it, she hates having to fly to Japan, and just wants to stream and stream and cover wasn't going to let her do so unlike shion and ayame
>>90563989I wouldn't be surprised if ina left next. maybe the visa mismanagement was because cover knew she was on the way out and was getting back at her.
The Nefarious Content Bird is monitoring this thread
the higher they are, the harder they fall
>>90562666>not even an affiliateDamn. She's OUT out. Completely done with management's shit.
>>90563751They're probably micromanaging faggots
>>90563068>Neuro post lobotomynah
Now she can collab with men.
Come home, Fauna
>>90563924For all the hate Omega gets, there was only one EN graduate under his watch. He knew how to wrangle these girls.
>>90564156>Myth
holokeks real silent right now. GET FUCKED
>2 of the streamers that kept me watching Holo graduated within months of eachotherYOU SHOULD HAVE LET HER BE GOTH FAUNA, YOU DID THIS FUCKERS
>>90563445This>>90563636Fauna is pissed at Cover. She doesn't want them to milk her any more.
>>90563398Yes.
>>90564104Chloe just went affiliate.
>>90564156That thread doesn't even have the right date. Straight into the trash where it belongs.
>>90563693/v4m/ crashing in
>>90563310Oji-sap standing by
Why?
>>90563726got more? feelings haven't hit yet so I'll jerk it out one last time to her
>>90563866The indie I watched for fucking cancer. 2024 what the fuck is your problem.
>>90562666Ok, how the fuck would a marketer for Hololive explain that Fauna graduates and Ame becomes an affiliate without revealing the actual truth? Like what even would be the official narrative when people inevitably ask this obvious question?
>>90564423Give it a few years for a few of the OG talents to form their own corpo
>>90564025The whores do that already. Calli, Bae, etc. etc.
>>90562666>ANOTHER person close to Gura affectedFuck, FUCK.
>>90564345Its ex-niji nigger managersITS FUCKING OVER NOW
>>90562666I didn't watch EN much until recently because Myth and Promise don't stream a lot and when they do they come off as pretty unenthusiastic, but ever since her Dark Souls stream with Gura Fauna's become by far my favorite talent from pre-Advent. She likes D&D, HxH, Dota, I listen to her unarchived karaoke streams every day (she introduced me to a lot of songs I probably would've never listened to and now I love). She IS a filthy vegan, but nobody's perfect.I used to shittalk HoloEN as just being Advent+Justice, but with her leaving I kinda' feel like that assessment has gone back to being true for me.
>>90564278>she wanted to do idol stuff and enjoyed itthen why hasn't she been doing more of it?
>>90562666Who's replacing a -chan lolSince a chan left more girl out
>tfw her final stream is getting bred by a BBC
>
>>90563413She's too busy with school to graduate right now anyway. But after she's done with college and isn't feeling it after starting to stream again, yeah I can see it.
at least she will spam minecraft to finish the tree
>>90562666Grim times for corpo vtubing/lig/ is winning....
>>90564299Literally only /vt/ and /trash/ cares about this shit bud
>>90563658Mumei or Gura obviously
She straight up said fuck management Goddamn. Has Hololive fallen? Is it really over bros? Tell me it isn't so!
DEATH TO MANAGEMENTDEATH TO YAGOOFUCK SHAREHOLDERSFUCK CHINAFUCK SORAFUCK EVERYTHING AND EVERY LAST CORPOBOOTLICKING NIGGER.
>not even affiliateThis was not an amicable split, that stream is like one step away from her just walking out the door
fuck management, fuck jap, fuck yagoo, fuck cover, fuck shareholdersfauna love forever
>>90563993Yeah well I figure a lot of successful vtubers never worked a legit shitty job to pay bills for a shitty apartment. She can also go indie and migrate a lot of fans to continue paying to live the easy life
>>90564278>believing her liesyou know full well she's just like every other western talent out there, they just wanna stream and make money
>>90562666oh this is a full confirmed graduation, not a soft semi-grad like ame and chloei'm so sorry for your loss, saplings
>>90564215jurard-kun, the boys have one foot out the door too.
WHO CAN DEFEAT THE AKATSUKI BROS>Dokibird>Mint Fantome>Dooby>LemonLeafWHO ELSE IS JOINING BROS
>3/3 leaving because of management>Fauna says she loves streaming and it's still her dream jobHey Yagoo, maybe spamming all these events is wearing your talents down and some of them would rather take it easy and just stream sometimes.
If you were in Lemon's discord, you'd know the disagreement was being allowed to make political statements like Nijisanji. She wanted to leave a message during the election, and because she didn't, "the fascists won"
GET FUCKEDHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
PUT ME IN THE VIDEO PARROT
MILF hat stock price about to skyrocket
>>90562666posting in epic thread :((
>>90564185That's a reason for WHY management might have gone bad, not evidence that they are bad or bad in itself.There is zero evidence they even have a workload that wouldn't be a complete joke to normal people.>can take indefinite hiatuses and go on random breaks whenever the fuck they want>not forced to participate in their dreaded idolshitWhat's supposedly so bad that management is making them do, huh?
>>90562666WHERE WILL WE GET EMOTES TO COPY NOW???
>>90564318>nobody gives two gay fucks She herself said she "wants to be an idol", retard. I just explained what it really meant, not what she (and others) imagined it to mean.
>>90563993>sit in my house all day Yeah about that
death to shareholders
I'm not a fauna watcher but my condolences to all the saplings who will commit suicide
>>90562666Phase sends its regards.
why is this problem only happening with early EN members
>>90564429she already reactivated rm she'll probably be back jan 4th at the latest
REFORM MANAGEMENT NOW THIS SHIT WILL REPEAT IF THEY DON'T GET THEIR SHIT TOGETHER. YAGOO WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU DO FUCKING PR CONTROL
i want to die
>>90563693condolences from /nijien/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
How do we cope?
>>90564025check her PL twitch recommendations kek
>>90564689She would've stayed as an affiliate for free money if that was the csae.
>>90564793I just explained my cock down your throat faggot neck yourself
I for one see losing Ceres Fauna to be a perfectly acceptable loss for the sake of Hololive's Dodgers sponsorship.
>>90564653What has Sora done?
>>90562666What the fuck, man? She's the smartest and most chill vtuber I've ever come across. Now the space is going to be filled by lewdtubers. For fuck's sake.
APOLOGISE!
What’s going through senzawa mind right now
You guys sure do love big black cocks.
>>90563936>Fauna doesn't hate being an idol but she doesn't want to travel to JP. She said it several times before>Doesn't want to travel to JPFamily life matters, good on her.
>Ame>FaunaI can't speak for Aqua as I am EOP, but what are the odds of "muh management" literally just being "come on, do some actual work, you're being paid like millionaires". If this was Kiara or Mori, I'd 100% take the "mgmt bad" angle at face value, but these people are not exactly the most industrious corpo vtubers in the world.
>>90564852Milk
>>90563413Same. I even had Kronii before Fauna, although I knew it was coming by next year. She's been feeling the fatigue for a while, some of those world tree minecraft streams near the end were a mood shift.
>>90564714That'd be something Kronii would do, not fucking Fauna lmao
>>90563227>boost her subs so that cover gets more bragging rights
>>90564493I wished fauna would milk me... One last time
These bitches dont care about hololive, they lie with their shitty excuses. They just want all the spotlight for themselves, thankfully these ungrateful whores burnout and wither away in obscurity once they leave the GOAT vtubing company to ever or will ever exist.YES IM A FUCKING CORPORATE SHILL, THEY MADE THESE BITCHES WHAT THEY ARE, NOTHING WILL EVER COMPARE TO WHAT THIS COMPANY HAS BUILT AND IM TIRED OF PRETENDING I DONT FEEL LIKE THIS TO SEEM COOL TO A BUNCO OF OTHER ANONYMOUS LOSERS ON THIS WEBSITE.
>>90564739NO, PUT ME INSTEAD
I'm sorry, saplings.
>>90562666>Not your friendFuck her, good riddance
>>90564565A few years? At this rate we'll have a Hololive 2 by this summer.
Imagine buying vtuber merch lmao
If there's any silver lining she's been active on her rm's youtube account the last few weeks, so she's unlikely to just disappear afterwards.
well.. on the plus side.. I'll finally be able to goon to fauna lewds after she's gone without my massive, crippling madonna complex getting in the way...
>Be Bae>Be ashamed of your own heritage and desperately want to be JP>Your gen goes through its first two years with awful management>Flee to Japan and suck up to Holo JPs there>Your friends are getting fucked with management still>Fuck that i got mine lolDon't worry guys, everythings going to be ok even though Holo EN is falling apart
>>90564844Why are you using Fuwamoco to shitpost nigger
LOVE YOUR OSHIBE LOYAL TO YOUR OSHISUPPORT YOUR OSHIhttps://www.youtube.com/@lemonleaf8163https://www.youtube.com/@lemonleaf8163https://www.youtube.com/@lemonleaf8163
>Actual graduationAme did nothing wrong
STUPID GAIJINSIF YOU INVEST KNOW THE INDUSTRY
TWO GRADUATIONS IN A WEEK
I don't want to goDon't forget us saplings /vt/
>>90562666>councilstrange they didn't use promise
>>90563310Pull up Porkins!
>>90564711>Aqua>Ame>Chloe>Fauna4/4, 5/5 if you include Mel being canned because her manager is a fucking retard
What are the odds that managements made them to blame the managements so people won't know the real reasons they are leaving?
>>90563874All your hard job won't go unappreciated sapcuck o7I have busted many fat nuts to your edits and gens
>>90563786You dramaniggers literally wont even watch a 5 minute stream huh?
>>90564830kys get cancer
>ok, so we are losing some talents here and there... what can we do?>Why don't we put more pressure on and squeeze those who stay?>that's brilliant
>But, what did I ever do in this world to deserve an empty-headed fucking dumbfuck like management to go in to business for themselves, for what? What did I do, BVTM? What did I ever do? Didn’t do a Goddamn thing.
did brownfeet win?
>>90562666TOTAL CORPORATE DEATH
>>90564973Okay, that made me laugh
>Gigi is finishing the tree in her honorMY FUCKING SOUL HURTS GUYS
>>90563924I think the worse part is they brag about how many people they are hiring? What the fuck are they even doing?
>>90564779I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT UUUUUUUUU
>>90564852By unleashing gallons of sperm from copious amounts of masturbation
another one bites the dust
Degozaru...
>>90563310/pcg/ here... UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
>>90564708senzawashachimu
>>90564104>affiliateone yesterday!
>tfw Kronii or Gura are nextbros i don't think i can take much more of this
>>90564625She's gonna get help from the Minecraft autists like Sana with the tower.
>>90562666F
>>90564711>Hey Yagoo, maybe spamming all these events is wearing your talents down and some of them would rather take it easy and just stream sometimes.You mean the complaints they almost definitely levied to him and other higher ups only to be told "lol, nah, keep doing dance training and keep flying out to Japan faggot"?Management knows. >THEY >DON'T >FUCKING >CARE
Just woke up, what's going o-Ah
DING DONG THE WHORE IS DEAD
>>90564869>isrealIt's over.
>>9056493799%
>>90565002Post the chud jelly
PRESS S TO SPITGET FUCKED HOLOBRONIES
>We can NOT be friends.>And we will NEVER be friends.
>>90564745>What's supposedly so bad that management is making them do, huh?I imagine it is management taking more control over their schedules. Not in a "you must stream at least one a week" way but "You must play this new game you don't care about" or "you can't play that because we don't feel like getting rights to it" Imagine how normal management in companies can be and then apply a game of language barrier telephone to it.
>>90565020>Edy th bf will appear in the stream No thanks, cuckling
whens the sapling goonsesh?
>>90562666Youtube hates ASMR, Perms issues, being the runt of Council AND Promise, this was inevitable
Sad one for me. Not my kamioshi but still my silver medal and favourite of Council/Promise. Glad I watched since debut. Her sense of humour really resonated with me. Will happily check in on her activities on PL.
I bet they are going to force male collabs. If they do the graduation floodgates have opened
>>90563445>no mention of promise, just councilWeird
I thought we're all Yagoo cocksuckers here?
Gura please pull the trigger and graduate so everyone knows to abandon the Cover ship
>>90563269>NorioShe's literally management.>SuiseiLiteral stooge. She and Mori are the biggest benefactors from Cover's new direction.
Anyone else becoming a cover anti now? I'm so done.
>>90565020THATS NOT MY OSHI THATS SOME TIWTCH WHORE THAT WILL PROBABLY JUST TALK ABOUT ALL THE MEN SHES FUCKING WITH HER OTHER NEW TWITCH WHORE FRIENDS. KILL YOURSELF INDIEFAGGOTS YOU ARE SUBHUMAN TRASH
>>90564708Senzawa will be next
>>90565117I want fauna to burn down the world tree on her last day lululul
>>90563310/mep/ reporting in, fuck management
>>90565263Why does she refuse to wear panties??
She got a boyfriend told them and they were like fuck no so she had no choice but to quit.
Fauna didnt seem to mind the singing and dancing idol stuff like Ame did, so whats the deal with management that's pushing these (what i'd call mostly stream centric) vtubers away
>>90565138WE ARE FUCKED
>>90563310Sips
>>90565032Because the Promise has been broken
>>90563693/wAIfu/ reporting in again, guess I'll jerk off to Fauna until she graduates and spend the rest of January jacking it to Chloe
>>90564714Seriously? I'm not that surprised because she's a vegan, but she'd be absolutely stupid to do that both as a corpo-Vtuber and as an indie. What, you're going to insult half your market because your feelings are hurt?
>>90563321She already has 100k sub acc ready to go, were getting a christmas asmr vid this month boys
>>90564929To be fair, she has said multiple times that she doesn't feel unique in Japan due to her dressing in Lolita and Lolita is common over there.
I don't watch vtubers anymore but she was really nice. I am here to pay my respects. Uuuu
>>90564852fauna will join vallure and make joi asmr
>>90562666Graduating not affiliating. Fauna is never coming back
>>90565117Did you even listen to the fucking stream you fucking retard?
>>90564923They're saplings after all
https://www.youtube.com/@lemonleaf8163https://www.youtube.com/@lemonleaf8163
remember when management wanted them to do 4-player Amogus
>>90565033I remember laughing at this back in the 90s when I was a little kid. Thanks for the memories bro
>>90565020thanks cucklings
>>90565263right now if you keep posting images like that
fuck man :(
>>90565117Fucking based gremlin, I kneel
>>90563726Jesus dude post more
>>90564852By posting more good faunas
>>90562666Get the Kool Aid ready, Saplings!
>forced to play League>immediately dipsgrim
>>90565072 condolences to everyone except you then
>>90563310>>90564299/a/ here!
>holobronies make bait threads about Niji graduations non-stop >End up getting one graduation a day as karma When will they learn?
Gura and Mumei are next.
https://x.com/namelesstwo0w0/status/1863029040485118121/photo/1the man is gonna perish again and his art is too good to be lost
APOLOGIZE
>>90565290She must hate Irys
>>90564423I don't think it's dying outright anytime soon, but a big change is coming in 2025. I think well over half of the girls will still be there, but there will be at least 5 more graduations across EN and JP branches next year.
>>90564975You think just because she used to hang out with Shondo she isn't a leftie? Even as Fauna she has already said "ghosts don't exist because muh science says so" and also revealed she is a vegan.
>>90565409Why would anyone come back, they'll make more outside of the corpo.
>>90564414gura is 100% gone if this pattern stays(yes i get she isnt even here already)
I don't get it, if they are fed up with the management, can they just pull a Gura or shion card, and don't stream for like a year then come back ? They still get the salary right
WHO IS NEXT?
We still have Lemonleaf, right?
>beat gura to it>beat mumei to it>not doing it the bitch "affilate" way>straight up said it was because of managementI'm thinking green women are based
>>90562666Kuro Corp.
>>90565253I would think it's this plus determining who gets to collab with who and/or telling talent they need to move closer to the home office.
>>90564345Making them work 40 hours a week and tard wrangling them. I know, slave drivers.How many hours a week do you think Gura works? 3, perhaps 4? I know many middle management that travel to other continents several times a week, and they don't complain.They are just lazy as fuck.
Companies going public and its consequences
>>90563413Mumei's issue right now is school so I don't think graduating would be something she wants to doBut with Fauna gone I feel like she could be way more likely to leave.
>>90563658It's almost certainly Mumei, her and Fauna seemed pretty tied up with management with their song and I think that's prolly the straw what broke the Kirin's back
>>90564991Kinda stunned it was Fauna before Ina desu.Ina's tougher than I gave her credit for.
>>90565286that went terribly last time they tried it for Overwatch 2, and they haven't tried it again sincethe more likely explanation is she just didnt like having to travel to JP all the time, shes said this enough, and they probably wanted her to do it more
>>90565361Moving to Japan and focusing even more on idolshit to the point they can barely stream anymore
They just don't care... They have to know that so many graduations so close to each other is disastrous for their image and the morale of the fans, but they did nothing to stop or even delay it. Where the fuck are management's priorities? The girls satisfaction should be #1
>>90564844>He forgot their "backup" plan and the real reason they moved to JapanHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>90564708Senzawa, the primordial beast.
Bitch can leave whenever they want
>>90564412>Don't bring up politics.>graduating because not able to say happy pridedoubt
>>90565361she literally said she wants to be an idol and loves doing the idolshit so it's got nothing to do with thatit's a 2min stream just watch it
So does she have a secret alt/old persona like Ame did that she's gonna immediately start streaming on and everyone will just pretend they don't know is actually her for some retarded gay reason even though everyone actually knows?
>>90565289>Stalin disappearing man meme
I hate cover.
I used to rule the worldSeas would rise when I gave the wordNow in the morning, I sleep aloneSweep the streets I used to ownI used to roll the diceFeel the fear in my enemy's eyesListen as the crowd would singNow the old king is dead, long live the kingOne minute, I held the keyNext the walls were closed on meAnd I discovered that my castles standUpon pillars of salt and pillars of sandI hear Jerusalem bells a-ringin'Roman Cavalry choirs are singin'Be my mirror, my sword and shieldMy missionaries in a foreign fieldFor some reason, I can't explainOnce you'd gone, there was never, never an honest wordAnd that was when I ruled the worldIt was a wicked and wild windBlew down the doors to let me inShattered windows and the sound of drumsPeople couldn't believe what I'd becomeRevolutionaries waitFor my head on a silver plateJust a puppet on a lonely stringAw, who would ever wanna be king?I hear Jerusalem bells a-ringin'Roman Cavalry choirs are singingBe my mirror, my sword and shieldMy missionaries in a foreign fieldFor some reason, I can't explainI know Saint Peter won't call my nameNever an honest wordBut that was when I ruled the worldOh-oh-oh, oh-oh, ohOh-oh-oh, oh-oh, ohOh-oh-oh, oh-oh, ohOh-oh-oh, oh-oh, ohOh-oh-oh, oh-oh, ohI hear Jerusalem bells a-ringin'Roman Cavalry choirs are singin'Be my mirror, my sword and shieldMy missionaries in a foreign fieldFor some reason I can't explainI know Saint Peter won't call my nameNever an honest wordBut that was when I ruled the world
As a final fuck you to hololive, Fauna should burn the world tree like Shiori said.
Saplings are the biggest faggots on this board. They deserve this.Now the question is, whose fanbase will they ruin next?
I'm just genuinely surprised it wasn't Mumei or Gura first.
WhelpCover ruined Christmas.
>>90562666Watch it and learn!https://youtu.be/gyMKVDzlvh8
>>90564714jesus christ, I never knew Fauna was such a liberal lolcow. Guess Cover put her on a tight leash then.
>>90565289AIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The hell is wrong with this company?
>said she wants to be an idol>said she wants to stay with hololive>said she wants to stream more than anything else>said it's just management that is why she's leavingimagine a talent like Fauna saying she has literally EVERYTHING she wants and doesn't want to leave. But management is so fucking BLACK JAPANESE bullshit that she is walking away from her dreamJesus fuck Japan. Get your shit together. I'm starting to think you fuckers deserve to go extinct
Male twitch ecelebs eating good next year. Filian will show them the ropes.
>>90564618>foobootylicker
>>90565414One month is not enough time to finish the tree.
>>90565290Council is still the name of the gen that she debuted in
>>90563624I think by 2025, the remainder of gens 1-2 will be Calli, Kiara, Baelz, IRyS, and maybe Ina. I expect everyone else to head for the exits.
If this makes you go schizo and you start calling her a grifter or whatever were you never a true sapling, just a huge fucking faggot.No ifs, ands or buts.
>>90564673That or they have a decently well-off family that can be their safety net even if they fall on hard times. I don't know how many successful vtubers are actual rags-to-riches type who have experienced actual/near-poverty living beforehand, but I highly doubt it's many at all.
That was kinda impressive. INFJ doorslam. Zero tears, just clear statements giving no ambiguity. Also, no affiliate despite the fact it probably cost her a lucrative revenue share (doing nothing). Total 'fuck you'. Honestly, i liked her in holo. But now i might oshii her.
>>90563866Who was your indie oshi?
>>90565562She can be a leftie all she wants, i can't see her being one of those freaks that would make those cringe statements on her vtuber accounts twitter.
>>90565650the first (and only) priority of cover managers is cover managers.
>>90562666cover is corpo scum
>>90565687yes.
>>90565578Ina
>>90562666reminder that she will be backhttps://x.com/lemonleafasmr
>>90565416...i hate how accurate this quote is gettingplease no more
>>90563668Not to mention she says she likes streaming. No pussy-footing about moving on to a different venture.
My number 1 fap fuel for over a year was breeding drunk faunbaerys during the Japan trip. Sad the girls won't collab anymore but thanks for the memories
>>90565583Women cannot be left to their own devices.>OWWWW, MY PUSSY FARTS STINK SO BAD
>>90563310Condolences from /HAHA/. I pray your oshi returns unscathed in her new (old) life. Total management death.
>>90565036You were some of the biggest cunts on this board. You wanted Omega to be gone, now he is gone, and so is your waifu. Lmao.
uh didnt i just post in one these recently
ITS SO OVER
>>90563310/lcg/ here for a final uuuuuuuuuuu....
>>90565289FUCK YOU CALLI
Riot until all of management is gone. Or at least until yagoo acknowledges the situation.
>>90564973THEY'VE HIT THE SECOND TOWER
It’s become increasingly clear Gura signed the contract that says she has to stay forever
>>90565779cover managers don't have a job without the talents
So we agree now that management and cover have to burn to the ground right? Hololive can star but those 2 need to fucking die
MUMEI NEXT
>>90565446lol, that was the funniest leak. Made Kiara and Fauna look like professionals while management looked like total idiots.
>>90565551Orc-kun...
>>90565687https://www.youtube.com/@lemonleaf8163
Not management my ass
>>90563310/tsunx/ heremuch love for saplings
>>90564852Take the indie pill and wait for Dokibird to find her
>>90563924 If the company can't provide support that is worth 50% of their talents' earnings then there is literally no reason for them to stay in the company. Big corpos need to either do better or take a smaller cut.
REMINDER: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MANAGEMENT, OR HOLOLIVEIF THERE IS AN ISSUE IT IS WITH THE TALENT THEMSELVESI MEAN LOOK AT IT>Mel: Broke a fucking NDA>Aqua: Terminally retarded>Ame: Never wanted to actually DO any work and would take all the credit>Chloe: Literally didnt shower>Fauna: Did nothing but minecraft and ASMR streamsFBK IS RIGHT, HOLOLIVE IS ONLY FOR MENTALLY STABLE PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT A JOB ACTUALLY IS.
Is this the start of kurolive????
>>90565512KEKAROO
>>90565771There's a reason why the JP oldfags are ride or die. They know how fucking bad the real world and they're NOT going back to that again.
>>90565097Cucklings lost that's for sure
You know what comes next...
>Kronii still hasnt said anything about Fauna's graduationGIVE ME YOUR BIGGEST RRATS
Numberfags deserve everything they get
>>90565910they're that retarded, yes.
Will anyone else leave before the year ends?
>>90565551I'm so sorry bros... I was too harsh on them...
>>90565702Wawa...
FUCK
Now only Kronii has to leave and EN can finally heal. Keep them going, Mane-san!
JP corpos of any kind will always be shit
>>90565687>SecretI hate corpo retards
Why get invested in any holomem when they are all 2 months away from graduation? The core of Hololive product has been damaged.
>>90565702It should've been her
>>90565995She's next
>not even going to wait until ENreco part 2Grim.
>>90565914i mean after seeing dooby, doki and now fauna probably.
NIJISISTERS WON
why did she do it again
God damn it, now all I'll have from Council is Bae...!Calli's all that's left in Myth now that the shark and squid are gone, Advent is stable but can't rely on the Biboo and Bau Bau gimmicks forever, and I can't listen to a single voice from Justice without wanting to deafen myself.
https://x.com/GrimmiVT/status/1863028233564004670Justice...
>>90562666im so tired man
>>90564284No, it means "you agree not to join another corpo and we give you whatever pennies your no longer going to sell merch might drag in".
>>90565687shes been uploading its been kinda obvious
>>90565780the new green woman
>>90565724>he warned us and hated him for itNo...
>>90563993You also have to attend singing/dance classes, and do "homework" (probably clerical work).
>>90565933suisei should have just gone to his house to suck his dick. we wouldn't have to watch and he'd enjoy it more
Nerissa will be the first to go from Advent
>>90565383Are you a shoot retard
>>90565534It works both ways.
>>90563310/wg/ here. I'll fucking kill myself after this.
>>90565908It's also entirely possible Gura just plans on doing whatever, I can't see why she would feel the need to stick around if she wanted to leave
>>90564779
>>90565562>"ghosts don't exist because muh science says so"Are you under the impression that this is somehow a leftist take? Do you actually believe in ghosts? lol
>company invests in talents making them intros, models, dance lessons>give them 1000 lbs of paperwork or some dumb shit and force them to fly to Japan>turn into a company that just makes girls famous over a year or 2 then they take their success elsewherehow is this a sustainable business model? Literally just let them do livestreams all day.
>>90563310>>90563693Haachama World reporting inDeath to management
fuck i guess im desensitized
>>90565740Two nukes weren't enough indeed
>>90565973kill yourself corpo cocksucker
>>90565289uh oh
the mmd thread is the best thread on the entire board right now
What is she going to do after this? Is she going to continue as Fauna post-HOLO?
>>90566043Korone.
>>90565551It only took 2 years to win.
>>90564714If this is true she deserve to burn her legacy
>>90565446Off topic but that's one cute looking IRyS emoji
>>90565779Or in EN's case HOLOPRO management. How often has it been that official account snubs holos and that staff can freely ghost talents with no consequences.
>>90563751I'm almost certain the Emo song with her and Mumei played a role
>>90563693/news/ reporting (literally) in
>>90566124what an actual bitch
how many "tummy hort" tweets you guys think shes gonna do when she stars streaming on her PL
Kinda a bad look for Cover when just yesterday a talent graduates as an "affiliate" and today another one graduates normally while calling out how shit the management is
Man she really had one of the best model.
>>90565995Kronii never got over Fauna pumping and dumping her
>>90565728So this has to be an actual leaker who is also schizophrenic right
>just 5 minutes>not even affiliateHoly fuck how bad is it really going behind the scenes???
>>90565929thanks
If you think 2024 has been interesting, wait till you see what's coming next.
>>90565995she's busy with Fauna under her desk...
>>90565551I never doubted. Those two had more experience than this board could understand (and vesper was a goddamn sperg) and they saw the bullshit a mile away. Always trust the men with this shit; especially if they're faggots because the girls will react exactly the same way with due time
>>90562970I never thought Hololive management was good but they have gotten so much worse since 2022. Fauna isn't even becoming an affiliate which means that she is permanently leaving to be an indie vtuber.>>90563227>We are gonna get her to 1 million right?Considering that she is leaving because of a disagreement with management I think lemonleaf is more important.
DAMN IT FUWAWA YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO ONLY WRITE DOWN NIJINIGGER NAMES NOT PEOPLE FROM HOLOLIVE
>>90563142when a company becomes public its both good and bad for the consumers but mostly bad for the employeesalready called it back during the ipo announcement holos will graduate one by one i wish i was wrong
>>90565714Gura has pretty much the perfect situation >Doesnt have to stream>Limited contact with management >Makes bank on chumbuds still member’s>Gets to do the idol shit she wants to No reason for her to graduate
> Fauna is graduating> Ina having Visa issues due to management> Gura not streaming> Mumei not streaming> Kronii PL active> EN members moving to Japan> EN office opening soon (TM)Looking bleak for non-JP members ATM. Sounds like there is a huge push for come to Japan or get jack shit.
>>90566218They were right the entire time. Things just reached breaking point recently.
>>90562666I’ll always love you unless you stream with flipbitch
>>90566196this is literally every company
Listen my guys, I am very close to a lot of artists in different professions who have done work for companies and for themselvesThey tend to ebb and flow based on what they want to do at the time or if they need a different kind of stabilityThese are musicians, artists, actors, any of themIt's natural that these things happen, doesn't mean there's something wrong with the company, it just means that each have different needs at the time
some retarded bullshit is definitely happening at cover and the ones leaving are the ones with spines
>>90565740>believing a lying whoreLMAO
>>90563445The graduation and affiliation queues are seperate
Fauna graduating is the ultimate sapling NTR... That's hot.
>>90566217does she swear as lemon?
What is worse? NijiENs quick and sudden death or HoloENs somewhat slower death?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfyyY4gW8P4Was he right?
She wasn't my friend, so I don't really feel bad.
I BLAME ERB FOR EVERYTHING
>>90565393Oh, so she's just a basic bitch with a snowflake complex. Got it.
>>90566219Korone will stay as long as Okayu is there.
>>90564714>retards actually believing this
>>90565866condolences from /orc+/ as wellsee you on the other side o7
>>90564714screenshot it or you're just shitposting
>>90563699Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Cover's shitting the bed but they haven't mismanaged someone so bad they tried to commit suicide and then skinwalked an account yet.
>>90566288Actual leaker implying that Miko is Elira, yeah
>>90565713If saplings really love their mother like they say they will fuck off and follow her, right saplings?
EVERYONE DO THE BLACK COMPANY SHUFFLE
>>90564714There is no way that is true. I would love cover if it was, though. I don't want retards who know nothing about politics talking down to me about that.
>>90563726I want her to whisper in my ear and jack off my tiny branch while I whimper and call her mommy
>>90565650Do managers not realise they have nothing without the talents? Ame and Fauna are two massive blows and it's like they just don't give a fuck.
>>90563480that would make sense if it wasn't for ame, there's no way she would have disagreed with it and you'd have heard a lot more protest and disgruntlement from ones who are hyper-aware of trying to keep their fans happy like fuwamoco.
>>90565662Seriously doubt Senzawa will revive anytime soon. Regardless of what's happened, Gura's still known for the Dodgers. They can't afford to fumble her like they can some others.
>>90564828they need to kick out investors such as blackrock first
>>90563291What are they supposed to do? Call her a lazy entitled bitch? It's better to stay professional for the company
>>90563310/pcgia/ here, truly a dark day
>>90562666Everyone wants to paint the company as a bad guy, but this is such a betrayal from her. Laughing, collabing, talking about future plans constantly to suddenly dropping your 4 week notice on their desk.
>>90565740Likely, they have been ignoring her request to do all those things like they use to to Kiara. If your sub 1mil and aren't nihonjin, Cover puts you on the back burner. Hope this opens Gura's eye and finally pushes her to also leave when her contract is up.
>>90566170ProbablyI think only Fauna hates going to Japan more than her
>>90566190Because by her own admission she’s an antisocial coward who avoids conflict
>>90563310/pw/ heremanagement is going to be raped by post-graduation fauna in the bone-chilling winter of 2025
>>90563310/bag/ here, what the fuck is going on
>>90562666WTF WTF
>>90565446Pretty funny desu, imagine thinking TTT (amogus) would play anywhere near well with 4 players compared to the double. With too few its not even worth it
>>90565995KRONII IS MANAGEMENT AND VIOLENTLY RAPED FAUNA
>>90566105>not even a minute graduation announcementshe really, REALLY wanted out. i don't blame her tbdesu. japan has such a shit work culture it's unreal how they expect outsiders to tolerate it.
>>90562666>Lemonleaf is back Time to kick back and celebrate
THREAD THEMEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lefdrqluIoMTHREAD THEMEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lefdrqluIoMTHREAD THEMEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lefdrqluIoM
>>90563751>do asmr>No
>>90565289Ina...
>>90562666i'll follow you anywhere you go unless you stream on twitch
>>90562666KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I think this is a huge turning point, I don't know if HoloEN recovers completely from this
>>90565995honestly she's probably eating rn
>>90566291Really bad.
>>90564299/v/ here.
>>90563310/vsj+/ reportingShe's gonna be great as an indie
>>90563445This one feels sudden and unplanned unlike the previous ones. Doesn't seem like Fauna is leaving on good terms like the two before. They probably want to try to see if they can negotiate something with her but doubt it will be anything other than a full graduation
>>90566043With a month still to go? Got enough time for at least four more.
>>90566043Probably Ina, she had her whole projects fucked, visa fucked and money not returned by cover's incompetence
>>90565771I think some of them like kiara and callie will probably continue to be in hololive until the bitter end because I feel like those two weren't living a great life before hololive
>>90566461kek
>All these retards who ignored the males graduating because of managementHey assholes, this is nothing new and you have had like two years to get it through your thick skulls that Holostars are the canary in the coalmine for Hololive.
>>90566043Depends on their contract renewal.If they are quitting because of Management they need to do it before so. So if only Fauna quits then its unlikely anyone else from her gen is quitting too. For now, they could announce graduation next week for all we know
You Gave Up On Eddie For This LilyGo Back Into The Lab And Do Some ResearchAnd I Dont Mean Your Research At WashUI Mean Actually Getting A Real Job
>>90563310/pol/ here.Only good Vtuber gone.Jew ((Management)) took something from us, yet again.
>>90562666>Artia won
>>90566488she has already became an affiliate, they are just never going to announce it
>>90566589Kys Shartyfaggot
>>90563931Mumei would have to stream to graduate though
>>90566170Nope, FWMC, they're just using hololive to find a sugar daddy to get them citizenship
>no barefoot holo leftFootfag… we lose
>>90563310>>90563693/wAIfu/ reporting in again, guess I'll jerk off to Fauna until she graduates and spend the rest of January jacking it to Chloeyeah this is a repost
>>90566488but they have on multiple occasions fumbled their top moneymakers and thats in the JP branch who are treated like 1st class citizens
>>90563310/warkop/, reporting in.I'll say it again. The thread currently discusses which HoloID girl will graduate first with this current situation.
WHAT'LL HAPPEN WHEN HE HEARS THE NEWS BROSIM SCARED FOR HIM
Seriously though, why is she not going through the affiliate program? Did they not offer it to her? It's hard to believe she would deny it given what we've heard about it.
>>90563198I bet at least 100 of those are comfort women. I wish I was a cover employee.
>>90563310Green leader standing by.
>2024 unleashing it's full power to be the worst year everDecember please be gentle.
Watching corpo VTubing fail in real time is fun
Posting in a stickyMan, I had a bad feeling with these League collabs...
>>90563993Here's the thing, a girl like Fauna can literally just do all the same exact shit she's doing as an indie and make basically the same amount of money.
>>90566043Fubuki.
>>90566704Artia won my BWC
Lemonleaf bros. We fucking won.
>>90563505
She was my everything...
>Imagine being a cuckling
>>90565995I meant, neither have IRyS and Bae...
>>90565557She's hated IRyS ever since the Ender dragon battle. How did noone pick up on that?
>>90566461NIJI <3 HOLOFOREVER BLACK
>>90565551Don't need to. These two were always my boys, and I haven't dared to get attached to any other Star sinceI still can't believe they made Vesper a whole new model and it got used for a grand total of one stream
What did management do, that so many of these hoes disagree with?
Repeat after me:CORPOS ARE A MISTAKE
>>90566693No one cares about Holostars outside of Axel.
>>90566532Considering how shaky she sounded this is something that must have happened within the last 7 days or less.
Another pal to stream with my oshi DOOBY THREE DEE
>>90566096graduations are almost exclusively a corpo thing btw. the only reason fauna can't continue AS FAUNA is because she's in a company that won't let her keep it.
Why are Japs so bad at running companies?
>Force a Dota player to play league of retards>She quitsFucking based, following wherever she decides to go
>>90563759perhaps cover should become a little more transparent than a fucking block of wood if they want to keep any good will from the public after their roster getting fucking peppered with a shotgun blast this year. it's unbelievable things could be going fine fine fine suddenly NOT FINE NOT FINE and there's no fucking word from them what's up.
>>90566368>Kronii PL activeElaborate
Describe this company in 4 words
>>90566844It; s over
>>90562666Filian collab when haha
>>90566860>plays league>graduates
>>90566043I don't think so but I'd put money on Ina or Mumei leaving next year
>>90563142Management has unironically become better; everything else has went to shit.
I'm gonna miss her eco friendly breasts. RIP in peace
Ironic...
she loves money more than idolshitsimple as
POASTIN IN DA STICKYsorry for your loss
>>90562666I guess working 2 hours a day was too much for her, huh?
>>90566844>Balding cuck normalfaggot is a saplingStop the presses!
>>90563445>Fauna's nendo is now cancelled>Fauna quality scale fig now never ever
Friendly reminder that Cover cancelled Shiri’s and Biboo’s Thousand year Door playthroughs because of the who Vivian transgender issue.
>>90565551Nobody owes these faggots anything, especially since Vesper is too much of a raging sperg to have any kind of job that requires him to deal with someone above him.
>>90566596Why did she hate doing ASMR so much as Fauna?
https://x.com/asagi_0398/status/1863031685291630665https://x.com/asagi_0398/status/1863031685291630665https://x.com/asagi_0398/status/1863031685291630665Asagi mama...
>>90566844I'm more worried for librarian
damn, fauna essentially existed for the whole biden administration, so basically trump is anti fauna repellant
>>90566596more like>>90563751>fly to japan, get your work visa revoked, lose thousands in potential earnings because we can't do our job, and be completely unable to find vegan food>no
>>90566427Yes
>>90562666Going public worked wonders for holofags lmaoSo glad the bubble bursted and Holo is to join Niji soon, to all the retards who said Hololive talents had freedom lol
Cover sells their soul to China and this shit happens
>>90566966FAFO
we still like cover right?
>>90566671Cloe and fauna was only 48 hours apart. 15 more could graduate by 2025
>>90566633She's gonna stream with her boyfriend
>>90563310/nina/ reporting in. Looking forward to the new Barbie.
>>90565724He's a mentally ill 40 year old but I've never disagreed with his corpo takes. Most people aren't neurotic freaks and can handle the bullshit for at least a few years though.
>>90566397>i'm leaving because of management problems>guys artists just ebb and flow company no badfuck off
>>90565016But enough about FWMC
>>90566966DO YOU RIKE IT?
>>90563693/cbdct/ here againDon't care, but it's a shame it's one of the few dykes that were able to keep her legs closed around male vtubers. I wish it could've been one of the red haired bitches instead.
>>90566348KEK
>>90562666I'm gonna miss her
Corpo bootlicker GOD here, fuck you indietrash scum, you are SJW libcuck fucks who want these whores to have their freedom to be whores as openly as possible so you can jerk of to their stories abotu fucking men like the cucks you are. Kill yourselves.
>>90566368what's the point of an EN office if they all have to go to Japan
>>90566844>worrying about Northernloin>And not Max0rLorelet
>>90566368>Fauna is graduatingHints were already in place for a while.>Ina having visa issuesAlready been cleared up.>Gura not streamingLike she has for the last two fucking years.>Mumei not streamingLike she has for the last fucking year.>Kronii PL activeHas been active since her first year.>EN members moving to JapanWow buddy, slow on the uptake, are you?>EN office opening soon (TM)Wow buddy, slow on the uptake, are you?Z.
Remember anons:-Fauna's not dying-Fauna will be back eventually-Fauna will be happier in her new lifeBut Fauna is #'s favorite, so the people having the worst day right now is them, and for that we can all celebrate.
Here's my 2cent : since it's inception, hololive management and it's talent always goes hand in hand. The management and talents listen each other but, also prevent the other from making retarded decisions. they are basically two side of the same coins.now, with the changes that happened this year. it seems like the talents have less and less say in the direction of the company or the Hololive side of things at least like the old days. The company is trying to having full control over talents and their productions like your mainstream idol agency.This is the exact same shit that happened to nijisanji since their IPO. the difference is that it's less obvious in holo and happened much later
>>90566966still better than nijisanji
VINDICATED
>>90565740>>said she wants to be an idol>>said she wants to stream more than anything elsethe problem is these cannot coexist in hololive, as we are now seeing with all these graduationsher desire to "stream more than anything" clearly appears to be her number 1 priority, and that conflicts with hololive's direction as they continue down the path of idols
REMINDER:Both Fauna and Chloe's graduations were LEAKED by somebody that claims Suisei and Miko are responsible.
>>90562666Cruel, ruel world must have gone wrong. Cruel, cruel world can't moving on
I made this image as a joke, man...
>>90563269basedweak women always complain without actively trying to fix the situation
>>90566666Is this the woman who cums a lot
So did fauna have a vtuber before hololive or would she have to make a new identity if she goes indie?
>>90565551Always knew it was the case, any time I suggested it I'd get blasted though
Don't worry, Yagoo got you covered.
>>90566848Did you not fucking listen to the 5 minute stream? Or are you too fucking retarded?
>>90566949That's the entire reason it needs to be shouted from the rooftops you fucking mongoloid. I bet you already forgot that all of these graduations were predicated upon not one, but two guys jumping ship. And why? For the exact same fucking reasons the girls are doing.
Everything has gone to shit after ERB joined and started to homopush
>>90565973...what about Coco?
>>90563310/flip/ here
>>90567043>my choice of favorite anime avatar livestreamer makes me CHAD instead of ONIONSlisten to yourself
we are entering the great schism and gachikoi idolfaggotry vs comfy streaming gaming patriciansit was fun while it lasted
>>90566973Fuck off
Parrot, there's no way to convey my sadness through a screen, so please, for the love of all saplings: Put me on the vid, love you all.
Okay Cover HAS to slam the emergency "ACCELERATE" button they've been holding off on. JP can survive just fine without Chloe who was off and on anyways. EN will crumble with a loss like Fauna. EN needs a new gen mandatory. Like idc if it was planned for spring next year, launch that shit NOW. EN needs some kind of hope injection or the entire vibe could sour so badly we get multiple EN graduations within the next few months. Yagoo needs to instantly start patching up the holes showing up.
>>90563693/fgoalter/ reporting
>>90562666If its not for luna-sama still being here, im so done with hololive and vtubing as a whole.
Shondo won.
>>90567143never have. never will.i watch the girls for the girls, not for egotistical managers and execs.
>>90563310/ck/ reporting in
>>90566962They will never say anything, ever. In 50 years, some historian will pick through the wreckage and uncover the true state of mismanagement, but they'd rather let it all burn and go しかたがない than change.
>>90563310/co/ here.Genuinely depressing. She'll probably come back as LemonLeaf but it's still sad that it was only management that pushed her to leave.
>>90567063Sapcucks are all immature faggots who can’t appreciate it
karma is a bitch
>>90567194Return to office mandate. No more work from home. EN office only for management.
WHATS HARVEST NATURE DOING IN THE IMPACT ZONE
>>90567143We support Vshojo now.
>>90563275I don't think any have ever said - though Fauna made a point to say she didn't have an issue with being an idol so I guess that's the idol rrat debunked. I actually thought that was a reasonable explanation but clearly not.
>>90562666This one actually hurts.
>>90567143Shut the fuck up Morifag this is her fault, there's no coincidence that the Gura camp is being driven out while the Moricamp stays
>>90563198
She's not an affiliate, should could totally spill all the dirty laundry if she wanted to
I'm still supporting Hololive. I go down with the ship. Go leafs go.
>>90567007It's not, she wanted to stay but management is so fucking incompetent even her song dedicated to staying in Holo means nothing anymore... This is an inexcusable call to arms for all holofags
>>90563808If they keep bleeding talent they’re gonna have to bring her back
Fuck everything, I'm watching Dooby's DeuSex.
THIS ISN'T RIGHTTHAT WAS OURSSHE BUILT IT DAMMIT
Parrot, I know you're here. Don't put me in the video.
>>90567211>that /#/ schizo who spams bots whenevr Fauna streams will be out of a reason to livePoor guy
>>90565637As a takodachi, i am willing to bet that Ina is close behind
>>90567321She got into 2 Yakuza games - without being anorexic. She broke the system and came out on top.
>>90563480That'd be such a fucking moronic middle manager idea it might just be plausible.
>>90566582pink woman bad
I'm really sorry for your loss.I don't really follow vtubers but this unfortunate event got me curious so if It's okay to ask I have a question.Which one of these vtubers leaving would have the biggest impact, be the biggest deal?
I love uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
>>90563310/watamelon/ reporting in
>>90562666She said it. It was management. They are killing the breadwinners of the company
>2024 opens with NijiEN dying>ends with HoloEN dying
>>90566966KWAB Of The Year
I HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED MOURNING CHLOE DON'T DO THIS SHIT TO ME
>>90567069What did Asanagi mean by this?
>>90567194The EN "office" was Ames house
Bro is the Librarian okay?
HARK, THE FINAL YAB APPROACHESPREPARE THYSELVESTHE ONLY SIN IS WILLFUL IGNORANCE
>>90567211>-Fauna will be back eventuallyShe will probably be back within a month after graduating. Then do a collab with Shondo to complain about corp shit.
I won
>>90562666CONSOOOOOOM
Post hot Faunas I need to cope...
NEVER TRUST A PUBLICLY TRADED CORPO
>>90567336At least I don't have yellow fever!
>>90563542>thousands of shareholders who jumped from Nijisanji to CoverSauce? Or just gut feeling?
>go on fauna-san, put in some effort>AIEEEEE I'M GOING MAD MANAGEMENT IS LITERALLY EVIL HITLER FASCISTS SAVE ME SAPLINGS SAVE MEEEEE
FUCK! Well...at least she might collab with Shondo again now.
>>90567264Those bitches
>>90567472This would be the funniest timeline
erm
LITERALLY NO ONE KNOWS WHAT MANAGEMENT DID WRONG AND ALL GUESSES ARE CONTRADICTORY WITH THEIR VIEWS EXPRESSED BEFORE
>>90566966Nijisanji but not retarded
>>90567211>-Fauna will be back eventuallybut she'll never be able to pal around with her friends still in the garden, that's what sucks about this.
>>90565939I'd sooner be waiting for Mumei for that.
>>90563310/mans/ here, would fall asleep to her vods a lot so im gonna miss her lots... she was a real sweetheart
>>90567264Based, I support Mikochi and Sui-chan over those traitors
>>90567226ehh even niji didn't have two massive graduations in a day. not saying niji is good (lol) but something is seriously wrong at cover.
>>90564896nothing shes just sexy and i wanna fuck her
>>90567194Sponsorships and merchs. The studio is in JP and I don't think they are opening one in the US anytime soon
She warned you guys so many years ago but you didn't listen!
Sapling status?
>>90563310/pink/ here, thanks for another pink chuuba
>>90562666corpos LOSTfreedom WONFUCK MANAGEMENT
Calm down Holobros, we still don't know if management is to blame, it could be anything!
>>90567143I only like myself
>>90567583WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT
>>90567295Yes, it's the girl with the fuck machine
I am not a fan of her new design.how am I supposed to call this mommy
>>90567337fauna literally said that she still wanted to be an idol and performthis has nothing to do with idol stuff, cover must have been micromanaging her content
>>90567264I got bad vibes from Miko ever since Pekora distanced herself from her.
>>90567583what the fuck is that
>>90566488>MUH DODGERS
>>90563480Not everything is the Holostars boogeyman.
>>90567264how do you even harass someone through management????
>>90567570Ceci…
>>90567606>fauna>yellow feverhuh?
I'm sorry for your loss saplings. At this point i'm so desensitized to losing my oshi's that this is just another drop in the vast ocean of graduations...
>>90563310/gfg/ here
>>90567810ballsack you fucking virgin
POST YOUR FAVORITE MEMORY OF FAUNA RIGHT NOW
It's really hilarious how retarded and stuck in the past JP corps are.
>>90567305kek
>>90567512Don't forget Idol, EIEN, PRISM, and Heavenrend. 2024 has been a bad year for corpos.
>>90562666my....... my Holo Oshie
>>90567583you're not right, and you continue to be a filthy, disgusting pig.
NOOOOOOOO SHE WAS SO HOT
>>90567784I-It's ok she'll commission Asoggy-mama for a new mommy model
>>90567570In the end Shondo, the eternal corpo shittalker was right.
>>90567524Wait til you hear about Subaru
>>90567583lol what am i looking at?
>>90567420WHAT DO THEY DO?!
>>90563142a-chan leaving was the first death knell, someone seriously big like gura leaving will be the next
What green women are even left? Cici and Mint?
Pomu cried at her graduation and all of holoJustice put out "I love you guys, thanks for all your support" messages when they suspended their indie activities. I just hope she stays on YouTube.
https://poal.me/alf0q4https://poal.me/alf0q4https://poal.me/alf0q4https://poal.me/alf0q4
it was worth it for the dodgers collab
>>90563924Fuck concerts I want streams! Why the fuck else would I be watching this shit otherwise
>>90567486He also hates IRyS (in fact, he was originally the IRySschizo, Fauna came after) so he is probably just celebrating now (and praying that IRyS will be next)
>>90567778The first content i watched of her was her counting her records for cumming so that sounds right
if this is the reaction from saplings, imagine the mass extinction event of hoshiyomis if suisei ever graduates
>>90563310/pcg/ hereDamn, sorry. This one... stings.
>>90566933What a fucking waste.>>90566937Could just be scheduling or deadlines on songs having to be made.
>>90567583b-based?
>>90567901idk how to soundpost.
Vshojo by 2025
>>90567583Brownfeet is a nasty fucking tranny
>>90567420I guess that saying to many cooks in the kitchen spoils the both is true
>>90567348>Okay Cover HAS to slam the emergency "ACCELERATE" button they've been holding off on.*accelerates straight off the cliff*
>Fauna looks directly at the camera and says it's because of management>Retards still can't figure it out
>>90567308The other talents also said the same thing about disagreements with management and they became affiliates
AXE THE HOMOBRANCHAXE THE HOMOBRANCHAXE THE HOMOBRANCHEVERYTHING HAS GONE TO SHIT BECAUSE THESE LEECHES STILL EXIST. ALL MANAGERS AND RESOURCES SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE GIRLS, BUT ARE BEING USED FOR WORTHLESS SHITS LIKE THE HOMOSAXE THE HOMOBRANCHAXE THE HOMOBRANCHAXE THE HOMOBRANCH
I've already been fucked so hard
>nijisaji infiltrator gets hired by hololive and begins mandating male collabs
>>90567993
Saplings should kill themselves
>>90567778It's baffling how wholesome and lewd she can be at the same time. The gap is wider than her cervix.
>>90566966shit is fucked, lol
>>90563751She wasn't picked by management to be their golden goose.This means many of her projects were delayed and stone walled.They want her to dance and sing instead of be her own person.Advent and Justice are treated very differently.
>>90567913Also Kawaii
100% she's still ass mad about the Adventure Holic MV, the 3D stream before that and how they portrayed her.
>>90563310/dbs/ here, Fauna was my oshi, this is the worst news that could have happened.
>>90567583is that your nutsack bro?i'm having trouble visualizing how that works...But your Nutussy is gonna make me act up
>>90568059Nobody cares about JP streamers here
>>90567749Fucking bootlickers should be shot on sight.
>>90568045She will become a Bluesky exclusive streamer.
>>90563310/mouse/ reporting in
>>90563142Leaving to take care of a family is such a weird reason to start withIf we consider the old Cover, they would let her have a hiatus to take care of family and come back whenever she wants, even if she is staffBut this is not old cover we are talking about, and her leaving instead of going that direction was the first sign of that>>90563269Suisei very weirdly did this interview interview recently to talk about management, where she constantly defended the managers and agency jobs and said that talents leave would never be their fault but of the talent and that the manager would get blamed anyway.And now we get this Fauna graduation, where she has explicitly said that she disagreed with management.There was already rrrats of Suisei being a talent/manager/someone that impacts on decisions, and she is showing that more and more.Suisei is the one that is benefiting the most from this direction of Cover, she is the one that this direction is perfect for.She has the perfect reason to gaslight Yagoo into taking such decisions too as she is the talent that has the most Cover stock.That's it boys, the fault of the graduations? Of Cover's recent direction? Of Hololive becoming a strict prison that is whipping their talents more than ever? Of the girls not engaging in teetee as much anymore? Of the lewd fanservice being heavily punished by management?It all lies on her, it was her all along, Suisei Hochimachi. I hope Hoshiyomis are happy, because she always has displayed behavior that has shown she wanted to do anything needed to achieve her dream, and that she didn't really like how other members acted and carried the brand of Hololive, it all makes sense, only to this moment we have now.Hochimachi Suisei, I will never forgive you, you went too far, you should have been content for having success without having to take away from others to get even more, your greed for your dream at any cost has ruined the fun of many, and things will never be the same again.I hope you are happy, because you did take away the happiness of many for that.We are all left to have sorrow, and the fault lies on you, Hoshimachi Suisei.
Nogga who cares?
Greenbros... how are we coping???
You know things are bad when even redditors are mad and doomposting
2024 still has a month to go btw.
>>90567264KWAB
>>90567264>>90567837The same way Elira did. It's possible Miko and Suisei leveraged their position in the company to make management cater to them and not the others.
>>90563406>>90564215least evident falseflags
>>90564991>>90565637Did we ever get a 1 on 1 collab between these two?Felt really weird that they didn't ever have one, but I've been away for a bit so maybe I missed it.
I will cry with my dick tonigh
She's gonna join Mint/Doki's new corpo.
>>90568047>CeciliaThey're nothing alike besides color... Holofags are so childlike uohh
>>90563310/vag/ina, reporting inGreen women love
>>90567583how do you piss with that?
So who's next?
>>90562666Thanks for going public Cover
>>90568047lemonleaf
It's happening again. It's happening because we didn't destroy them the first time.https://streamable.com/qxsqny
>>90567143never support corposonly support whoever you find entertaining
>>90567211Yeah anon can't wait for the return of mentally ill schizo LL who hates her fans so much she'd do everything in her power to spite them/own the dreaded boogeyman that is *gasp* parasocial fans! Get ready to be introduced to a long forgotten hated regular character soon! I'm sure all the saplings will survive that experience just fine
>>90567583Don't go around burning your allowance again, flipnigger.
>>90563693/watamelon/it is a sad day
>>90567749>literally says it's because of disagreements with management>w-well we don't know what happenedFucking bootlickers jesas
>>90567583What's that, shitskin, your neovagina? Seriosuly if that's your ballbag where the fuck are your bollocks, or your vienna cocktail crank for that matter?
This sucks she was perfect
>>90562666Now Hololive has no one worth watching left
>>90567264>ISRAEL
Should I flog myself with a leather belt?
>>90567901https://www.youtube.com/live/6DolP8msG14?si=EVz9orTAcA4uZ76O
>>90563310I watch Mumei, Bae, Nerissa, Ceci, Raora, and Ao on the regular whenever they stream.I now do not feel safe about either 4 or 5 of those I have just listed.
>>90567583I’m scared what is this actually
>>90567264No fucking way does Hololive have a fucking clique. You got the rest of the leak?
>>90568411based
>>90563310/flip/ reporting in
>>90567517This
Fauna is Vegan? More like Fauna is VeGONE!
>>90567583All this time and you still haven't cleaned up your keyboard
>>90562666retard Yagoo hiring management sisters and StarsEN really fucked things over
>plays league of legends>graduates weeks later
Leave Suisei out of these niggas.
Cover is still a good company, 1 2 member left don't affect anything, hold your faith
What hurts the most is the fact that we may never see them together on stream again just because of corporate bullshit not associating with former members.
>>90567264>>90568259Yeah I hate Suisei now
>>90568259holy based
>chloe announced graduation>girls stream right after it to talk and calm people down>fauna graduates>*crickets*en sucks.
bump
>>90567143they've always been shit, just gotten more shit recently. I like the talents
>>90567264>Hololive has the exact same problem as Nijisanji doesCorpos sure are great, huh?
All the EN members that don't live in Japan will graduate too.
>>90568259>Leaving to take care of a family is such a weird reason to start withNot if she has to take care of the family member 24/7. Doing stuff like is a bitch and a half.
>>90566966EN was big mistake
>>90562666Confirmation that AFFILATE and GRADUATION are actually different.
>>90567930By far the most honest post in this thread. The only loss is the character design
>>90567264>Suisei is a fucking JEW
>>90568059Suisei's puppeteer owns the Suisei character.
>>90567264Suischizo was right
>>90567264>Suisei and Miko are responsible.BASED AS FUCK IF TRUE
>>90567901Her AoE2 streams.
Cover grew out of their tiny bubble and is now the shareholders' whore.Being successful is what is killing them, going public and being managed by outsiders that know nothing about VTubing.It hurts me not because they are graduating, but because I didn't expect this from Cover, I honestly thought they had outsmarted corpo-VTubing but nah, they just were lucky that AnyColor wasn't fucking up so much back then. With the growing death of Nijisanji and Cover becoming more and more mainstream each passing month... The future isn't looking too good.Corporate rot has reached our idols. I can see three more graduations coming in a fairly short time, sadly one of them is my oshi.
>>90568520>Played DotA 2>New waves>Played LoL>GraduatesWe need no more evidence
>>90567583fuck you brownfeet
>>90568368She'll become the fifth Sloppy Sister....
>>90565740Why would you believe anything she says, this is the problem with people who only take an interest in a streamer when they graduate. Fauna has been on the list of most likely graduates for a while precisely because she clearly does not like doing the normal stuff everyone else does. She fucking hates the travel and already has been refusing to do it for a long time. In a normal company she would have been fired back then already but in Cover they make you quit.
>>90567264Even if this remotely true why would Miko and Suisei have an issue with somebody who has a a completely different audience?
>>90567394>>90567397You know anons, I'm more than happy to help burn cover to the ground, but you showing me that the alternative is the Vshojo way.... It actually makes me reconsider things..
>>90563924>yet somehow NOBODY can point to anything they are currently doing that's so bad?Streaming is easy, but singing and dancing and doing concerts is hard.Every stream you see usually takes double the amount of time live to put together.But doing concerts is like 10x the work.Project Stonewalling when someone refuses to dance and sing means that they are basically telling her to gtfo.
Can’t really compare Ame and Fauna since Ame affiliated but Fauna is graduating.
>>90568582Wait...corporations aren't my friends? Say it ain't so!
>>90568573Noel has been talking about it
>>90564175With how things are going, Ina wouldnt be a surprise, Kronii would soon follow Fauna, Gura doko, Shiori only so she can go all out freak
>>90567264i like this RRAT
>>90568521>This is somehow the homos faultmindbroken
>>90568259rratGOD
>>90567264based japan, suisei is my oshi now
Management forgetting Ina's visa is a black company's way of bullying employees to quit.
Mumei is next
>>90566937asked them to work more than 5 hours a week
>>90568554Shareholder spotted. Hold him down and use his phone to dump all his accounts.
But Anons told me that Cover and Hololive can't do anything wrongBLACK COMPANY
>>90566461
>>90568565so you understand that's still hololive's fault rightthis is precisely what indiefags were trying to warn you about
>>90567207it's sorry to hear you through the boot in your mouth, could you say that again
>>90568252>>90568433don't be so hard on him. he's just sticking up for his kamioshi, TYO 5253 COVER CORP.
So... are we finally at seventh trumpet and I've become numb to it all, or is the worst yet to come?
>>90568368To be honest I would absolutely love to see them collab. I really hope Fauna returns asap I love her voice and her demeanor. I hope she keeps the cute-girl thing going
>>90568280She dropped the "it's the management" bomb. That and it's a straight oldschool graduation, no wishy-washy "affiliate". I always knew Fauna is a real one.
>>90567264FUCK SUISEI AND THAT FUCKING RAT MIKOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>90563310/pcg/ hereIn hindsight, I don't know how we've never had a graduation so far by comparison, feel like we should had some.
>>90567583I think my dick is small and then see this and I'm reassured that I don't have a literal mishapen micro piece of whatever the fuck you were born with
>>90563068Souless
>>90567264But why would they even have any interaction?
Don't usually follow holos after they move on but I think Fauna will be the exception.
>>90568367Fauna no...
>>90568701NO BOYFRIENDS
>>90568259The image of a cold-blooded Suisei taking out rival talents is pretty hot ngl
>>90567264Based lesbian power couple, driving out the lazy whores one by one.Get rid of Gura next.
>>90568714JP branch working harder and being more professional as usual.
>>90566678Calli likes making music and doesn't mind working hard. Plus even if she wanted to leave Universal wouldn't allow it
>>90568774>mumeifiller holo
>>90568791kekaroo
>>90568433Cmon anon, it's a range. Disagreements could be from fauna getting rammed 24/7 by a foot long dick to pick up that can.
>>90568701They don't necessarily have a problem with Fauna, it's just possible they're the ones responsible for pushing the company in a direction Fauna disliked.
>>90567264What possible crossover does fauna have with those two?
Thread themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28g6Uei2hpY
IT IS ALWAYS THE HOMO'S FAULT. they are literally wasting the company's money and resources like managers and the 3d studio
>>90567901I remember watching her early Spore streams when she said she abruptly broke out into Dance Dance and said wanted to do an emo/pop punk karaoke night. Feel like that was the moment I began a sapling.
>>90568490It's an all female workplaceI would be fucking STUNNED if there WASN'T a clique.
>>90567348You can almost guarantee a new EN gen within the next two months. Cover has almost always reacted to big graduations with immediate rushing out of new gens. Chloe wasn't a big graduation by any means but Fauna is a tremendously bad one. She was like a key member of multiple popular EN groupings. Cover has to fill that hole or it's cooked.
>>90568433That's literally an empty statement. What disagreement, over what? I have no idea what she wanted or what management wanted.
>>90567930look at those mediums
every company in japan is a black company, just at different stages. it's ingrained into their autistic working culture.
>>90567583where is your penis... sir?
>>90563993Sounds great until about the 3rd day of doing 12 hour days of complete and total bullshit because of japanese busy work.
>>90568259>>90568897Why is my dick getting hard at the idea of backstabbing powerhungry bitchsei...
THE CURRENT SITUATION OF HOLOLIVE ILLUSTRATED IN ONE IMAGE
>>90567277LMAO
>>90565973nah FBK is just a moneyslave, if she doesn't leave soon I've lost all faith in her
>>90568857But you did have one.
>>90563310/ope/ standing by
I wonder what will faunaschizo do now now that fauna is gonna be gone, what is he going to use the money he is going to save monthly that previously was used in bots
The /vt/ League championship curse claims another victim...
>>90568704Dooby, Mint and Doki aren't in Vshojo, are they?
Welp I'm officially done with hololive. Fauna was my oshi and the only one I consistently watched so, while it's regrettable that we're losing her top tier model, I'll follow her to her PL and continue supporting her as much as I can!
>>90568935Ah, so internal schism?
>>90567583BASED BASED BASED
>>90568539She's graduating after bokudan
>>90567570Remember sho do told someone who supposedly was gonna be the 5th justice member that she was proud she declined and that she was too good for Hololive (implies since she left 8 blank spaces to not tell us directly). I thought it was because of pettiness... As it turns out to be fauna telling her things are so grim that she doesn't recommend anyone joining
>>90567264Nyeh, if that is so peko would be nuked first
KEEP THE WORLDWITH ALL ITS SINIT'S NOT MEANTFOR LIVIN' IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN
Never play League of Legends..
>>90569015NTA but...Anon...Come on...This is literally denial.
>>90563310/jidf/ reporting in
>>90568821We're at the seventh. Chloe and Fauna this close is the immediate sign but Ame and Aqua haven't been gone long either. 7th trumpet has sounded. Oh heaven come.
Fauna is here btw
>>90568857In Pippa's stream 1 or 2 weeks ago she talked about considering if she should move on, but wasn't sure what to do after. So she's staying while she mulls it over.
>>90566368chloe is graduating too.
>>90564714wghat the fuck is lemon discord
I heard that it was either>Cover goes public>YAGOO sells CoverIf these really were the only two options YAGOO had, then at this point, it would have been genuinely better if he sold it, right? It's clear that YAGOO is not fit to manage anymore. He and Riku are now EQUALS.
>>90566966DecliningDecliningDecliningDeclining
I guess the early debut of flow glow is because of graduations? That means 3 more to go.
>>90568821>are we finally at seventh trumpet and I've become numb to it allyes>is the worst yet to come?yes
>>90569083>Pekora wins at the VGAs>She leaves sometime after winningCan you fucking imagine
This is kinda funny I can't lie. People kept going on about Niji and it's graduation que, only for two major Hololive talents to graduate within days. Some monkeys paw shit lmao
>>90569083jpchads couldn't give less of a fuck if EN were gone
>>90566043kronii, ina, korone, and moom are on the chopping block, hard to say how soon though
>>90567264Miko and Suisei are fucking whores and I will never forgive them.
>You WILL go to Japan>You WILL be denied permissions>You WILL do the idol shit>You WILL get paid a small amount of earningsAnd you WILL be happy.
>>90569146No, mint just uses vshojou services
>>90567264Why would Miko or Susei even care about Fauna?
Does anyone have a link to her indie twitter?
>>90567105Anyone saying corpo environment has any form of freedom is delusional.
>>90568837she has already warned up her previous cartoon puppet
>>90563924how many of the girls need to tell you that working for hololive sucks before you understand it
>>90567264Just when I thought Miko and Suisei couldn't get anymore based they go and pull a stunt like this.
>>90563310/shig/ hereTotal Corpo Death
>>90569126Brapcat didn't graduate, she was fired.
>>90562666>Decide to check youtube before going to bed>"Oh hey Fauna just went live">5 minutes laterHow the fuck am i supposed to sleep now
did fauna ever do membership wallpapers?
>>90563445Affiliate status is only for 1+ million subs talents.
>>90569083All they need, and nothing short of Marine dying of old age or Okayu leaving will make those pillars fall
>>90564689>they just wanna stream and make moneyuh- BASED?you're saying that a comfy funny silly vtuber can just do the good part, and not cover shitty japanese slop idol songs, or perform "her own" slop idol songs? and they don't even have to act like a complete retard pretending to be on stage, singing said retarded fucking excuses for music???SIGN ME IN!!!
>>90564711It's intentional.She isn't the picked girl for their company.
>>90565562>IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THE MONSTER UNDER MY BED THEN YOU'RE A WOKE LEFTIST JUST LIKE MY MOMMY!
>>90567655Perms, music in limbo, talents being left on read regarding permissions... Those are the ones we have confirmation from the girls themselves
>>90567264I easily ignore this as total bullshit if they weren't right twice in a row. Nobody could be this accurate without some kind of insider info.
>>90567348Hello sister, still clinging to the hope that holokeks will follow the nijitard way of living?
>>90569269>I heard that it was either>>Cover goes public>>YAGOO sells CoverWhy? Aren't they making bank? Why would they need to sell?
>>90565995She's probably asleep or something
>>90562666THE MARK OF THE BEAST
It's kind of wild how much the company has changed. Still remember the Hololive x Azur Lane collab back in the day
>>90566676Ina is the least likely to graduate and you retards constantly pretending otherwise are absolutely pathetic. Despite her getting fucked so hard up the ass, she still is in Japan hanging out with Holos. That's how much she enjoys them. These other graduates (specifically Ame and Fauna) hated fucking going to Japan and never hung out with anyone. Ina does it for her free time. Her other job is not being a vtuber so she doesn't need to quit to go be an indie vtuber.
>>90567264Bros... are we turning into Nijisanji?
>>90566966As black as Nijisanji.
Fauna...
>>90569311If niji were smart they'd use this time to clear out some of the queue while no one is watching
>>90565416do you have the holocaust webm
>>90569232Ok please post the exact reason for me, maybe I missed it
If Fauna of all people disagreed with management then things must be super fucked behind the scenes.
All that sucking yagoo's dick sure looks dumb right now. Maybe don't idolize CEOs, they're all scum at the end of the day.
>>90567264RUSHIA WAS RIGHT
i propose we start calling PLs FLs, because it's starting to look like past will inevitably become future
>>90569083One of the pillar leaving next year btw
>>90569269Why would he have to sell? Lots of people take their corporations to the stratosphere while remaining private.
You know shit's gotten bad when even the reddit is melting down and they're actually leaving all the shitting on cover up.
Hell of a lot of familiar sounding indie chuubas coming up in 2025
>>90569083ftfy
Went to go see a Stock Check, Niji's Downfall caused an extreme imbalance that it's causing a storm in the Warp to make Management increase the work loadALSO FUCK CALIFORNIA AND BLACKROCK
Nijigawds won
>>90567345this reads like a list in order of how much they get paid, with a couple exceptions
>>90569547She was so based for this
>not even the new Affiliate deal>just a complete graduationExplain.
>>90568047All of these answers suck.
It's based that she threw the management under the bus on her way out, fuck them
>>90569407your oshi failed as a 2view and is dependant on hololive to keep streaming
We lost her...
It's for the best.
>>90568821If another Hololive talent graduates within the next month, I will say it's the final yab.Nijisanji was a slow burn to the 7th. And it wasn't even a bang, it was a whimper.
>>90569509Cover was in debt with venture capitalists and used the IPO as leverage against a bank loan to build the new studio
>>90569522She's a trooper.
>>90569651kek
It still doesn't feel real.
>all this disingenuous and people fanning the flamesFucking lane, but without A-chan the english audience seems to have no communication, we need a interview with yagoo or something
>>90567348A new Holostars and ID gen
Honestly I'm ok with this, and I accept and respect her decision.Maybe it's because of all the recent graduation spam that I've just become numb to it, but it's not worth getting crying about when she's been dropping hints and will just show up on her other account in a few weeks.Definitely bold of her to call out just management and no other reason.The worst part of this is that her current model will be gathering dust. It's such a waste of a design as pure sex as she is. I hope she can get a good upgrade when she returns as an indie.FUCK MANAGEMENTFUCK BRAND LOYALTY
I wasn’t sad for Ame leaving because I’ll miss her, in the same way for Fauna. I’m sad because them leaving is a loss of stability for those I do care about.
>>90569311Shitting on Niji is just funny. The real lesson here is that females cannot be trusted to create a functioning work environment. They are the ones who create the unsafe spaces.Never forget this other corpofags. If your corpo is female dominated, it will inevitably meet this end.
>>90563560Manacucksan...
What the actual fuck is going on? Fauna leaving is absolutely soul shattering for me. This year has been absolutely terrible with grads/EoA, but this absolutely broke me. Fubuki's Declaration is Law & Paramount but I'm at my breaking point right now. I'm fucking miserable and hating the way Cover is conducting themselves; it's so apparent that whatever change they made months/a years back is driving away the talents that made them imo. This isnt sustainable and I can only hope that they will figure out wtf they are doing before they eclipse Niji with grads.
>>90564069being idol is hard???????
Is the reason for the graduations really because the girls are too fat and NEETmaxxed to learn how to sing and dance? If that's all it is I'm gonna laugh real hard
>>90569015>a talent says she's graduating due to disagreements with management>is not the only one who's said this>she has to specify what the disagreement is or it's just an empty statement and doesn't countwhat do boots taste like? please share
>>90569407How topical, you posted the next graduation.
>>90569083THE FOUR HEAVENLY KINGSTHE GIANTS WHOSE SHOULDERS WE STAND ON
>>90569651tweet this at yagoo and tell him to fix his shit
>>905696862 hours a day was already too much, now they're asking for more.
https://x.com/PROMlNENCES/status/1863027378445750781https://x.com/PROMlNENCES/status/1863031237893386449we still believe in Yagoo, right bros?
>>90565772What would be the INTP or INFP version of what she did?
>>90568821we're at 7th trumpet but 8th trumpet will be a bigger hit like gura leaving
>>90569651>Implying Gura would even turn upYou're giving her a lot of credit
>council is the en gen with the most casualties
>>90568047GREEN SO FAUNAA!!
>>90563149Guess she isn't important enough to get immortalize.
>>90568490even in any big family a clique always existnow imagine 50+ members and its all girls i mean you can already guess 70% of the clique based on which holo talks most about X members like subaru and the collabs
Why are phasecucks still unscathed it's not fucking fair
>>90563495I've been with Gura since day 1, and at this point anything is better. Leave and go stream with notFauna..
>>90565551>quit on baby mode difficultylmaoing at the state of your "bros"
>>90568821>MULTIPLE TALENTS GRADUATING AT ONCE OR IN A SHORT TIME-FRAMEI'd say we're pretty much there but then again it could always get worse
>>90569686She quit in protest and doesn't want to work with Cover anymore at all
Hahahahahahahaha how will #fags ever recover? No, but seriously fauna was one of the few holoEN girls I liked, this sucks
If you read 80% of the replies to this thread with a thick indian accent they suddenly make a lot more sense
THIS DUMB BITCH DIDNT EVEN USE A GREEN HEART ITS ALL YOUR FAULT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>90569686Telling your shitty employers to go pound sand is one of the greatest pleasures the modern world has to offer
>>90569509Investors expect an exit strategy. That means selling or IPO.
>>90567143yeah but in a talent kind of way and by the standards of JP companies, which is dealing with JP copyright laws, i.e. demons emerging from hell to tear you limb from limb because you streamed some vidya
>>90569686She is not happy with management and does not want to leave the door open to working with them again
okay which one of you niggers
>>90569407That's rich coming from novelite. Shiori at least knows she can't afford to go back to indie
>>90569686because the affiliate deal was only created to benefit the corpo and not the talents
>>90567264How are Miko and Suisei bullying Fauna all the way from Japan?
>>90569957THE RRATS. THE RRATS ARE WINNING.
I can't really imagine what management shit these girls and guys can't deal with.
Someone post the video/image of Marine saying you shouldnt rely on one person to be happyMarine's fanbase would go nuclear if she left so she told them dont kill yourselves if shes gone one day
>>90569957She's tweeting to herself
>>90564708SenzawaSachimuDottovuProbably one of the homos soonAnd ina can only take so much mental drain from the visa bs
>>90569310En was always a mistake
>>90569522This 100% means she, Biboo, and any other talents that move to Japan will be last. I will stress, this is NOT about idol bullshit, this is simply about the overall benefits that come from having talents in Japan. Idol activities included, but also management and everything is going to be centralized to Japan. They've decided to kill the EN branch. There is not going to be another new branch of EN with more than half of the members living outside of Japan.
>>90569874FUCK OFF. THIS BITCH OSHIHENNED FAUNA FOR AN AUTISTIC HOMOCOLLABING BONG
>>90569656>ALSO FUCK CALIFORNIA AND BLACKROCKNot only are they in my gatcha games, they're in Cover too?
You guys were so sure it would be Mumei. It's always the least expected
>>90569957Holy fuck the Kronii Clique is real????
>>90569848That's Gura
>>90564210And everyone will laugh.
>>90570034Because EN tubers have JP management, therefore anything that JP does affect EN. There are no EN managers, no EN branch. it's all Japan.
>>90569833Fubuki is management's puppet and you're an idiot for falling for it.
so do you think there's a group of EN girls who decided to leave at the same time or is it just a coincidence
Bijoo just moved so she's locked in for about 5 years. ID will always stay.
Must have been a huge disagreement if she didn't even bother to stay long enough to at least get the 1 million subs and the wish. Kind of a waste.
>>90569741NijiEN had a bullet to their skull that was the black stream. What will be HoloENs equivalent?
>>90569736Fucking END YOURSELF and your entire disgusting pagpag eating continent you FILIPINO SUBHUMANS
>>90569729At least I'll always have lewd images of Fauna to make me happy
Thank you the lemonleaf model always looked way better and actually fit her voice.
>>90567348>EN will crumble with a loss like FaunaPromise had barely any unity as a gen and hasn't really done much meaningful for EN as a whole. Sucks to lose Fauna, but if she's happier as an indie that's for the best. EN as a whole will be completely fine but we'll probably still get a new gen out of this next year.
>>90569985>one more before mumeiWHOOOOO
>>90569796glad you could learn the lesson in time, friend. it's so much worse figuring this shit out AFTER your oshi's graduation than BEFORE.
>>90569291would be based
>>90569874disagreeing with management doesn't mean there's something wrong with the company lol. stuff like this is such a stark reminder of how young the average vtuber viewer is. it's perfectly normal and happens every day at every company that exists
>>90562666lmao
>>90568280Even redditors can see that two graduations within two days is a red flag.
>>90562666>90562666>666yeah it's so over
>>90570038if marine leaves im jumping off the ledge
>>90567264>Quitting the day after tomorrow>Posted on the 29thMathBros...
>>90563390based knower.
>>90565993LMAO
>>90564457>hiyorifagevery time
>>90567065The what now?
>>90567583What the fuck is thatDid you chop off your ballsack?
>>90570096Blackrock owns shares of Cover and there will be a US branch in Cali as confirmed from shareholder meetings
>>90569796same desuadmittedly, the graduation spam numbed by, but after seeing how doki, mint, and dooby are doing fine after leaving their corporations, i'm sure fauna will be successful enough on her own and will be back to her pl in no time.
>>90562666Looks like this whole branch is getting defoliated
Meh, nothing of value lost. We don't need these workshy girls in Hololive.
>>90569957I wonder if they will reconcile before she grasuates?
>>90569651KEKYCHOKY!
>>90570071Then what about Justice? >>90570034There is no EN or JP branch and management is not separate. All the decisions JP management makes are applied to everyone in the company. EN has always just been JP East.
>>90569985>two more graduationsGod, I wish.
>>90569651I'm confused, wouldn't the sheer mass of the building make the girders unable to support it? Wouldn't it just crash through them?
>>90569506No retard. I just don't want to see all of EN thrown into a negative shitshow were fans are all giga doomers and the streamers are all stressed. It's a bad environment and threatens to spiral into other graduations. EN still doesn't have the numbers to survive even one or two more big graduations. Fauna was incredibly relevant in multiple popular as fuck groups. Her absence is a brutal blow to EN.
>>90570122its like what kson saidi just didnt understood it at the time since it didnt affect me yet
If the hololive x Tenga collab in 2025 was true, fauna is really based for leaving.
>>90567583I got the same chills as watching uncanny valley images, I don't even wanna know.
I'm fapping to forget the pain
>>90570296Its the 1st in Japan bwo
>>90570122Based, as always.
YOU WERE WARNED.YOU KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.FIRE.DEATH.DESTRUCTION.HUMAN SORROW FEEDS THE MACHINE.
>>90569904Pippa the Filter stopped the left leaning people even glancing at Phase Connect so they can be as Schizo as they want without shit stirring.
>>90570296Japan time. It's the first there.
>>90567264hold up! sui-chan is jewish!?
>>90569825I had no idea..............
>>90567264that's it, i'm jorkin my wiener to mikochi at supersonic speeds until my magnum cum shoots across the horizon and hits her square in the face so she knows EXACTLY how i feel!!!
Now she can do drinking streams
>>90569366based
>>90570200This. Current EN is entirely defined by Advent and Justice with a dash of Mori. All of Myth/Promise could drop and it wouldn't be the end of EN, though it wouldn't be negligible.
I haven't watched Hololive in over a year at least. But it made me sad seeing Ame's graduation stream recommended to me on youtube. I came back here after I saw this announcement and it's interesting to see how much has changed since I've been gone. I don't know exactly why so many people think this is the beginning of the end for Hololive, but if it's true then it is a bit sad. I started actually watching streams when Myth first debuted and I really enjoyed posting on /jp/ and on this board when it was made. So I hope you guys can find a way to stay happy even if your oshi is gone.
What is next? An ID and a homo?
I feel an immense sadnessat least forsen is still streaming...if he quits I might neck myself for real
>>90567264has to be bullshitwhy the fuck would miko and suisei give even half a fuck about fauna of all of them?
>>90570122>a-a vtuber is not her c-companyYes they are. I will not watch them if they do not have the blue dorito anymore.
>>90568259 (Me)>>90567264Holy shit this was posted while I was waiting the 1000 seconds, and it just proves more that I am right.Hoshimachi Suisei, you are unforgivable.
>>90563310/wah/ standing by.
>>90570372>>90570387Oh no
>>90569225Did you just not watch HoloGTA or something? Why would they nuke someone Miko bantered and had fun with?
>>90567264It's going to turn out that this was Mel...
>>90567077both Ame and Fauna in the same year and it's the weekend, someone needs to do a wellness check on Librarian
>>90569840I'm sad right now, bro. Stop making me horny.
>>90568047there's no reason to oshi any vtuber whatsoever. just watch whoever is on and enjoy them for the entertainers that they are.
>>90567264Obese Miko and Jewish Suisei lmao
>>90570366based
>>90564069>do paperwork, coordinate permits,This should be management’s job you faggot
Can’t believe an actual /vt/ anti won
>>90567264I thought Miko was a good girl wtf I'm disappointed
>>90570317Should we just invade Blackrock? Like apply for their jobs and infiltrate like Indians?Surely all that capital can be put to less nefarious means
beeko is doing the guerrilla ASMR in 20 minutes
>Die a hero or Live long enough to become the VillainPeople kept praising him as the savior of vtubers. But why are there so many of their talents quitting SPECIFICALLY due to management issues.Did he get too close to the sun? Did the shareholders put a stranglehold on him and demanded ridiculous contractual obligations that scared away their streamers?I'm thinking 2025 is going to be the year Hololive crumbles in some way or another.
>>90569686it's a statement against holo, may even cause more graduations soon
good thing she said my name so we're basically married
>>90570379I still have a coco clan pinI am immune to pain
>>90570122Who?
She'll most likely come back and do her own thing, but Fauna was always great with other members. She can now collab with indies, but that's not such a positive thing. Most of those bitches are Sick in the head or worse - Normies.
>>90568344the “leak” says that Mikochis husband is part of the senior management so she takes advantage of that.
did we know mid enreco that Ame was graduating?
>>90570366
>>90570440ID's can either stay in holo and support their 20 member families and live like queens or go back to utter poverty
>>90569833If Yagoo is no longer best girl then all bets are off, including Fubuki's reliability as the canary in the coalmine. We're watching Cover transform from Old Bioware to New Bioware before our eyes.
Where's your Miowitch and Watamage, holobros?
>>90563068Only if Vedal allows me to ERP with her like he does
>>90570153Someone deciding to go rogue and break NDA about the management disagreements more than likely.Or even more graduations. At that point, it won't matter what the disagreement was, if more start graduating, we're looking at a NijiEN level of exodus.
>>90569851What the fuck is the disagreement over? How am I supposed to evaluate which side I agree with when I don't know what they disagree on? Do you understand this? That statement is empty because I don't know what it means beside that these particular talents would rather work somewhere else. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to work for cover, I wouldn't wanna work there either. I just can't evaluate a reason I don't know.
she has friends in niji and she left because management decided to drop them in favor of dokibird. god told me this in a vision.
>>90568259its trueall of it
>>90568642>Vanguard invest in cover>suddenly suisei got all those privilegesnow it all makes sense...
>>90569825Who even is that
>>90564299/sci/ here, as long as Clear doesn't go anywhere I'm ok
>>90567264>suisei is jewish
>>90570415This but its Miko armpit jobs and i finish on her sideboob and she does her dorky laugh at me
>>90570652I mean, now that we know the leaker has merit, I'd believe that.
>>90565574None of them have Gura's sheer mascot power. They don't have that bargaining chip.
>>90567264What is crazier is that if you follow these comments, this person says Yagoo sided with Aqua, but couldn't stop it, and that he has basically lost control.The man could end Hololive tomorrow just by renouncing. How crazy would it be?
I miss her already...
>>90570657She announced it officially during HoloGTA, then showed up to that for like 2 days doing fuck all
>>90568433You do realize the things they disagree with management on are usually standard entitled 1%er shit, right? If the reason you hate corporations is because you love licking billionaire feet, you're kinda retarded.
>>90570260>Relies on the talents to get their name out>Talents don't like themSounds like a fuck up on their end to me.
>>90570728havent seen this in a while
>>90568051Bitch, it was you idolfaggots that insisted hololive was an idol company. you reap what you sow. Thank fuck you were laughed out of /jp/
>>90570330My memory isn't best, and I don't watch Justice too much, but didn't Raora talk about wanting to go to Japan? If none of them have, then get ready for them to start talking about it soon.
>>90567264>HoloGTA>everyone in promise except fauna>Suisei and Miko didn't let her inThis is a possibility
>>90567264I don't usually buy into rrats but the fact that this person has been right TWICE about graduation leaks does give it some credence. I know I've seen some anons joke about the Miko clique, like Shiraken, but holy fuck.
I'm not ready to say Faunwell yet, I'm not ready
>>90570326after thinking about it for a bit, I've come to the same conclusion. Just a big nothingburger, Fauna was too lazy to do her part of the contract and management cut her ass out. Management did literally nothing wrong.
>>90570147It could be a conspiracy or it could be like what happened with me at my job. I was over it and the one guy I worked the graveyard shift said he was putting in his notice so I just quit at the same time.Essentially Ame leaving could have just broken the camel's back for Fauna with no collusion between them.
>>90570530>>90570818>jewishworse, (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
>>90570595you would probably die a painful mysterious deathNEVER fuck with the money in America
I wonder if she will break silence and spill the beans on what is going wrong inside cover.I don't expect affiliate members or japanese former members to talk, but maybe Fauna would since she already stated issues with management.
>>90566043ima be honest i thought the norm would be convincing talents to stay to stagger graduations. with this, who the fuck knows what is going to happen.
What the fuck is wrong with women? You get handed a golden goose, yet you cant seat your own butt onto an office chair for two fucking hours a day to do some pointless work set by somebody higher up. You aren't paid to think said work through.Just do your minimal basic crap for the contractual obligations, then resume to your usual shit. Its like the debt you repay for receiving corpo magnitude levels of exposure.
>2018: Chris>2020: Mano>2021: Coco >2022: Rushia, Sana>2023:>2024: A-Chan, Mel, Aqua, Ame >2025: FaunaClearly whatever A-chan was doing was great for the company
>>90563445There's no reason to keep her brand. She has no major project under Cover.
>>90567264>Long noseGradually I begun to hate them
>>90567264>Hololive has an evil clique nowGrim
The vtuber experiment was a failure, it got too big for it's shoes and now everything is crumbling.
Jesus Christ, what is happening at Cover?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU3ubk8u7dAI'm drinking myself to death tonight. Have a nice one lads.
>>90562666Posting in a sticky thread
>>90567264So... Fauna made fun of Miko for being fat and Suisei for having a long nose?
>>90562666who cares?
>>90569225Miko wants Pekora back, Pekora is the one who doesnt want to be her friend anymore
>>90570884Based on what?
cope thread
>>90562666the holocaust
>>90569833I'm losing faith in FBK, if we get another graduation before the end of the year something has gone seriously wrong
>>90567901
"I'm not leaving because I didn't want to be an idol."There better not be any "she's' lazy" rrats
>>90564469And Sana only graduated because she was in love with chink games anyways.
>>90570753nta but i think you are a huge retard if you suddenly see never before seen levels of graduation specifically because of management and assume its the talents, the people you're actually fans of and whos happiness is required for them to do their job properly, are wrong
>>90570728We are literally in the Seventh Trumpet timelineBut leaked secrets are just shareholder boomers demanding more profits
Now Noel is crying
>>90568160>fauna quits because management sucks >the solution is obviously more managementWith that line of thinking you'll be a Japanese CEO in no time old boy
>>90570122I'd listen to her if she wasn't a weird turbofaggot who panders to unironic "3dpd" faggots.
>>90571005That is an insult at western people, in this case because Suisei is half Rusky.Japs draw all western people with pointy noses, not just Jews.
>>90567264>>90570818We must find a final solution to the micomet question.
>>9056726435P bros, our response???
>>90570126 whatever you say sister
>>90568259Nobody fights with management more than Suisei.
>>90567501Nyanners, since she’s evil incarnate.
>>90571024Capitalism, unfortunately.
>>90570920Jan 3rd. The last faunwell
>>90570330Raora already lives in jp. Maybe CC, Gigi, and ERB are open to moving? I feel like ERB would so she can get studio time.
>>90570978Ain't happening unless she goes full schizo like Rushia.No normal person is stupid enough to fuck themselves over stuff like that when theres a contract involved. It's never woth it.
>>90570898CHLOE WASN'T IN HOLOGTA EITHER
I had a dream this would happen a month ago. I'm sorry for manifesting this into the world, saplings.
>>90563310/999/, my condolences
>>90570970Better to try than do absolutely nothing while it kills you anyway
>>90567901The truckIt always comes back to the truck
>>90571024The Chinese. U rike?
>>90571024They went back to China, they are pushing massive idolification. They are unironically, a black company>Inb4 vshojofag/phasecuck/whateverfagThey want to turn everyone into the next Suisei. They've forsaken the very thing that made them stand out in the first place.
>>90570200Council was always a bizarre mess when it came to unity. Its also the most weathered group next to Myth. Both have been through a fuck ton, that said. It 's a dreadful look to have one of only 4 gens be down to 3 fucking members (I will never count IRyS as gen 2 member because she wasn't). EN still needs at least one or two more gens and another project gen like IRyS to be in a position where they can handle more graduations. EN needs more lifeblood.
>>90571000Kuroe...
>>90564544>Ame hit a million subs>Fauna didn't>So we didn't even give her the choice
>>90570321
>>90568259Suisei will be the new CEO before her 40s.
>>90570103gura leaving would be a really big deal since she's their current cash cow outside of jp
>>90571120Fubuki is just a drone. I can't believe there are anons who still trust her. She'll be the last one standing and still say that everything is fine.
>>90571136Most of the posts in this thread are made by people who did not and will not watch the announcement, don't waste your time
>>90569686she's based like that
>>90571218weird way of saying jews
>>90571251holy
>>90566389News flash management, staff and secretaries all suddenly gone to support holoEarth and the newest rage Dev_Is.
>>90568573When Sana graduated most of EN dropped off the face of the Earth for awhile and seemed to avoid streaming. Except for Fauna. She was literally streaming six days a week to fill in the gaps. It was a big fucking deal at the time and saved the morale of EN. I don’t see anyone stepping up this time around.
>>90567264So a FUCKING CLIQUE DOES EXIST INSIDE HOLOLIVE
>>90571000Hard carrying trips-kun. A-chan leaving was the canary in the coal mine. Such a stalwart member of the corporation tapping out should have been frame one concern.
feels like cover must have new contract stipulations effective next year and negotiations failed. only reasonable explanation for most graduations recently.
>>90570900Justice is mostly EU people. Why would Holo accept non-JP tubers if they just intend to make everyone move to Japan?
It's melli today....
I miss fauna has a new meaning now
>>90571218not really, they're acting more like north korea at this pointpeople don't fle from capitalism, that i can tell you much
>>90567264Sooo what are Miko and Suisei doing with management that Fauna didn't like???
>>90565704my fucking sides.
>>90563531you have aids man kill yourself
>>90567264they ate her terrible vegan cake and took it personally
>>90567264What site even is this?
>>90570172Apparently she is ending herself instead.
>>90568259>>90567264>queen bee and her fat friend enforcer run the roostHighschool never ends
>>90570613>it's a statement against holo, may even cause more graduations soonGod I hope so.
>>90568160Retard.
>>90562666Amazing how retarded management is. I am not sad, just angry about the existence of patently incompetent parasites that are worse than an empty suit.>Loves the job>loves the other members she is expected to collab with>generates far more money than she costs to continue to employ.You need to go out of your way to force an employee like that to quit their job.The more ex-holos there are doing fine in the world, the more likely the other holos will decide not to put up with whatever bugs them about the company, and management's leverage drops ever further against their talents. Good luck finding new talent that won't treat you as a short term stepping stone to more popularity with 100% of the cut. Hope whatever ego stocking bullshit you pushed to force these holo talents out was worth tarnishing the band and lowering your future revenue, dumbfucks.
>>90565995She's too stoned right now
Boy I sure didn't expect another fucking sticky in the same weekend.
>>90571258Last night I dreamt I clogged the shitter and spilled toilet water everywhere. In retrospect I should have seen this coming.
>>90570122based as usual
holy based
>>90570608>yagoo was another greedy CEO>the real hero was A-chan, and now she is gone
>>90570425yeah management has ERB
>>90562666Parrot welcome to the Holo mines
>>90571438I'm right and you know it.
>>90570260>disagreeing with management doesn't mean there's something wrong with the company lol.what the fuck do you mean, it's literally a red flag that the management is taking the company in a specific direction that is turning people off. Just because everyone is annoyed with management's direction, sometimes this problem becomes a huge problem later like it is right now
>>90564714Big if true
>>90565624Dude there's no way Mumei is gonna graduate from college and then just sit on a degree and do Hololive full time. Especially not with mother owl breathing down her shoulder.
>>90571241CC and GG talked about how they would live in Japan only during the cold seasons.
>>90571251OGEY
>>90567264Why are anons so retarded? Saying "Suisei and Miko are responsible" obviously doesn't mean they were like "Hmm, you know what I have a problem with that random nobody from EN, kick her the fuck out". Miko and Suisei are changing Hololive. For better or worse depending on who you ask.It's pretty known that Micomet and the people close to them are a clique.
As a /#/chad, I'm glad she's gone because she has the most obnoxious fanbase who spams my thread with off topic shit
Lmfao, yeah Holo is great and YAGOO is still a god and there's no problem at all, these whores are just ungrateful am I right? Nothing will stop Holodrones from licking YAGOO's boots at this point.
>>90570984It does indeed boggle the mind. I would pay good money to hear how ambitious people like Mori and Suisei view lazy graduates crying about management like Ame and Fauna.
My 3 Holo Oshis are Ina, Ame, and Fuana. I am hurting
>>90562666WTF HOLOBROS? HOLO EN IS COLLAPSING
>>90562666It's Faunover.Billions must Leaf.
>>90568259This rrat has legs and I don't like them. They're ugly legs.
>>90571594finally a new job for him
>>90564618i simply can't imagine why a shareholder would want you to think things are fine
>>90567264what did fauna even do to make them mad??
>>90571419this. there must be something in the new contract that's causing these drop offs. Likely tied to money and commitment.
>>90571322They have actually been correcting their mistakes and have been setting new hires into pods with a closer sense of group unity. Advent and Justice both are much tighter groups than the first 2 generations.
>>90563275>has any holo who left ever mentioned what management's been doing wrong?Yes, right herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyMKVDzlvh8
Never even reached 1 million subs. Sad.
>>90570366Why are saplings such effeminate cucks?
>>90565029What is the smuggest purple dragon meme in existence?
>>90567717Even worse, retarded holofags trashed her because she spoke out about management. Corpo bootlickers deserve what's coming to them
>>90565551I'm sorry for not shitting on you faggots more before you got fired.
Why is she graduating anyway? What happened?
>>90565995she only logs on her vtuber twitter during her 2 work hours
>>90570720I hate to see this happen but I fear you are right, that comparison is scarily accurate
>>90571659good. I hope she has a successful career in her field.
>>90571401Maybe Beebs would've done it if she wasn't in the middle of moving
>>90571780holostars are not hololive
>>90570260If it happened once it would be somewhat understandable.Having 4-5 graduations "including people at the top" in just 6 months means the company is fucking over REAL HARD
Librarian... https://x.com/NorthernIion_LP/status/1863026243211514063
>>90571594Parrot isn't going to do it. It'll break his heart
I'm now feeling pretty fucking vindicated in stating that my first red flag for Hololive was last year, with the big vests and skirts/shorts they added to that summer's swimsuits. Those had ESG/etc written all the fuck over them. Going public and opening a California office was a terrible fucking idea.
>>90571812This. Corpo bootlicker suck ass so much.
>>90562666Breaking Dimensions song kind of hits hard everytime one of the EN girls leave. It's the last song with all of the current EN together.
>>90570314her PL has nearly doubled in subs since the announcement, will easily have over 100k by the time she actually graduates
hear me outFauna left bc cover will lost from software perms and she wants to stream more dark souls
>>90571251So>Kiara>Shiori>ERBThose are next
I guess we never gonna to get another league of legend stream...
>>90571784She was this close
My brain still hasn't registered it.
The downfall of COVER for becoming a public company chasing money by exploiting their talents
>>90571833>Why is she graduating anyway?Disagreements with management.
>>90567501Gara
>>90567264HOLOCLIQUE
>>90567264Guys, read this again. They aren't saying Miko and Suisei hate Fauna specifically. They're saying they're changing Hololive in a way that Fauna and Chloe (and they imply other talents) don't like.
Green woman lovers, get a 2hu waifu instead, they will never graduate on you
>oh don't worry she'll be great as an indie! Just look at Doki and Mint!See the problem here is that Fauna was an awful indie pre-Hololive. Like just the worst possible. She was a spiteful little schizo who hated her fans who was best friends with an ACTUAL schizo. I don't think saplings are prepared to see what indie Fauna looks like when Cover isn't correctly limiting her.
>>90562882>>90563445whelp
Say sorry to Riku now.
>>90571874they said >has any holo who left reading reps ESL-chan
>>90571659Half-assing it in Hololive is earning her more money than any degree ever could, why would she not do it? University degrees aren't worth the paper they are written on nowadays
>>90569957Retard, she's trying to console kronies(me) were are also saplings(not me)
So which platform does she dwell? Still on Youtube or Twitch?
>>90564714Then why wouldn't she make a statement as LL?It was important, right? Then it's important enough to get that message out any way she can, not just to co-opt a non-political platform to make it.Smells like a schizo rrat to me.
>>90571937I would be shocked if Kiara left hololive. They'd have to drag her out kicking and screaming.
>>90567348justice already felt like "..already?" status compared to advent but now we know why. if they put out another one within like 4 months they will have debuted a gen a year. I guess that is actually acceptable if there is going to be so much turnover expected but it feels like justice was put out knowing this could happen ahead of time.
It all returns to nothingIt all comes tumbling downTumbling downTumbling down
>>90570898>Didn't let them participate in HoloGTA which would have been a big money maker for chats, donations, and subsThat's definitely it
We are seeing the causality from horrible people who have led us here, we heads must roll
>>90556397>>90557098LMAO
>>90570303
>>90564975Her being vegan, not even a vegetarian, is a big tell. I'm not surprised if she's just going through a melty and her TDS pushed her to leave holo.
With how sudden it was and how she was clearly not ready, my guess is she threatened to graduate unless she got better terms/less work, and management just went>k, goodbye then
>>90571251Holy shit. Was not being allowed into hologta what pushed her over the edge? The time frame lines up
>>90570720the canary is fucking dead, fubuki haven't been reliable since the whole shit with Coco
We're they cursed by a witch or something?
>>90571986Put her in with the Barbie group they will fix her
Any bets on who's next? My money is on picrel.
>>90566117What does lumi have to do with fauna?
>fellow holomems reacting on twitter with surpriseYou know I never thought about this, but do they actually not know about these graduations beforehand? Or is it some kind of bit to soften the blow/farm engagement?
>>90571318>blaming ChinaYou do realize China was supporting them when they were still a streamer based company right?God deflections and projections like these are funny.
>>90571904This and not only that, Blackrock and their shell companies are investing and influencing holos too. I already knew this ever since the Irys debut, further confirmed with Sana's debut.
>>90571251>Ame, Fauna and Chloe not in HoloGTA>hosted by Miko and Suisei
>>90571937>Kiara leavingloooool
>>90571959Of what sort? What kind of disagreement could possibly be so big that it would cause her to leave?
>>90571853Big agree. Hopefully she sticks to content creation as a fun side gig though.
>>90566435>Oh, so she's just a basic bitch with a snowflake complex. Got it.or she doesn't want to be in some kind of weird slave fetish parasocial "relationship" with yellow ass japsit's weird all non-jap "idols" are still in hololive tbqh
>>90571833real answer is that cover hired her as a streamer and now they don't want streamers anymore; they want full-time idols.
>>90572059It was at like 5 am and she sleeps a fuckton
is suisei one of ((them))?
>>90569003Chloe was the only good hire theyve made in JP since Gen4, losing her is pretty bad
>>90570884>You do realize the things they disagree with management on are usually standard entitled 1%er shit, right?proof?
Any /holoEarth/ chads? Probably the only game that will remove playable characters with every update.That "game" will be a fucking disaster lmao
>>90567264>MIko and Suisei had management change the rules in a way that benefits them but fucks over other holosI don't want to believe this...
>>90572149Shut up Xi
>>90572136Doesnt she hate the model she has? She would leave just to get a smaller chest.
>>90571659Realistically there's nothing she can do that will make her more money or require less effort. She's not going to become an office drone just to please her parents.
>>90567264This literally says (the behaviour of not considering the feelings of co-workers) and retards here still think >It's wrong because there's no way they're directly harassing holos!!!Are you people stupid?
>>90567264Don't care still loving Miko
Any rrats what a cross-branch 'disagreement with management' could be with talents?
>>90571842Delusional phasecuck
>>90567264somebody please tell me this is fakehololive is better than nijisanji, holos would never do this kind of shit
>>90572059What reason would Miko and Suisei have to reject them? Stop schizoing the fuck out for a second and think. Fauna is a random nobody in the grand scheme of things(Sorry saplings).
>>90564215Now that's what I call hate marketing.
where are the fanboys who said that nothing is happening in Hololive and that the “change of direction” had nothing to do with the graduations? there is your evidence fanboys that every time they point out something bad about cover they call that person a hater.
>>90571904The California office might as well just be a warehouse at this point.
>>90567264>>90568259This is really funny but it's also complete bullshit considering how much Suisei bitches about management. I'd bet my left nut that Sukikira screencap comes from Miko or Suisei's page.
>She's fine with being an idolShe barely does anything during holofes. Only the bare minimum
>>90572151the rats are right, remember
>>90571980Yuuka hasn't appeared in an official game in a substantial capacity in 19 years.
literally all yagoo had to do was just let cute girls play games, but he had to ruin it with idolshit and insane bureaucracy
Black companies drive their talents to self-harm. It's a disgrace. COVER IS SHIT!!!
>>90572151And they only let Ame in at the end to make it less suspicious even though nobody suspected a thing...
>>90572151Ame was in GTA though.
All this random Hololive merch I passively collected is about to go so fucking hard on ebay
>>90572111If my oshi leaves next, I know where to go
>>90571986idk she's older now and went through a whole journey with hololive, so maybe she's grown as a streamer and a person?
>>90572059What if the reason she didn't get into hologta is because her manager fucked it up?
>>90571980Way ahead of you. /SS/anae is a great comfort in such dire times.
>>90572136Mumei. Though I would actually bank on Shiori if I was listening to my gut instinct.
>>90567264BASED MICOMET PUSHING LAZY WHORES OUT
>>90565444the pink doesn't suit her, does it?
>>90572285>want to join hololive? you don't have to prioritize idolshit and can just be a streamer>ok>3 years pass>just kidding you have to be an idol>ok i quitit's really not that hard to figure out
Was this what Kiara was hinting at when she said her worst possible fear was confirmed?
>>90572358This
>>90572339Y-yeah bro it's totally just a coincidence they got the graduations and their dates right twice in a row haha
How would you feel if Fauna last cover song was Legends Never Die from league of legends.
Truly the end of an era.(I've said this every graduation)
>>90572111in another year or two they might all be gone
>>90572358Yagoo has a gun to his head from the other executives and stock holders now. When a company gets big enough it always turns to shit eventually
Well, I guess it’s better to scuttle the ship entirely than let it be puppet around by soulless investors.
>>90567993- Lose Ina's visa renewal- Deny permissions- Request girls to play stupid shit as paid advertisements- Make them sit around in JP timezone meetings at 3am- Work on HoloEarth and probably other brilliant ideas like Hololive NFTs which are all slated to come out in like 5 years, surely they will have not missed the boat by then
>>90571142Are you saying that any time the talent is not given what they want, it's wrong regardless of what they ask? You're ridiculously retarded if that's what you're saying. I also don't support literal enslavement contracts where the talent isn't allowed to leave. Maybe I would agree with fauna on this, maybe I wouldn't. I still have no idea and brain dead retards like you aren't helping.
>this is what Kiara was doomposting aboutthis is what Kiara was doomposting about>this is what Kiara was doomposting aboutthis is what Kiara was doomposting about>this is what Kiara was doomposting aboutthis is what Kiara was doomposting about>this is what Kiara was doomposting aboutthis is what Kiara was doomposting about
>>90565551You guys were right, i'm sorry
Now that chuubas like Doki and Mint have the image of being able to survive without a big corpo, we're going to see more of these
what went wrong with the left side of the table..
>>90572351Touhou "fans" have never touched a game.
>>90567264>Micomet are responsibleANNND why do I think this leaker is a pekomikofag trying to start shit. As they always do....
>>90572383ew kiara, use a tampon next time
>>90572358>idolshitReminder that (You) fucks wanted this despite yagoo's intent to course correct into a general entertainment agency, which (You) idolfaggots had a melty over
>>90567264rrat
>>90572417Gensokyo?
>>90565515basedDEATH PENALTY FOR LOL PLAYERS
>>90571000HoloCN got memoryholed..
>>90572141For Ame, they knew about it back during the NY concert. For Fauna, we'll have to wait for the upcoming streams that'll talk about it
>>90572299Anon, I...
>>90570728>>Multiple talents graduating in a short time frameNever thought I could see the day.
>>90572610management
>>90572111>only the good ones leftTelling.
>>90570149She'd never get the wish anyway, the wish is always something that takes time, even years and they wouldn't honor such things from her when she gave them the finger rather than going affiliate.
>>90566733Literally no difference
>>90567264Do we at least have a motive? Like at all?
>>90569269He never wanted it to go public, but the seed investors wanted to cash out. He has less control now then he did in the beginning, the problem isn't him.
I dont know which rrat is right, all I know is that somehow, everything would be alright if they still had this green bitch to channel all of management's negative energy or some shit
>>90572620truesource:>me
What the fuck is happening
max0r status?
>>90562666hololive is actually done huh
>>90563731What a leech
>>90563874posting this bad should blow you up, i think.
>>90571361it's been obvious she's been completely bought out for a while now
>>90572708Who?
>>90567264START COOKING RRATS!!!
bros...
>2 graduation announcements within a weekJesus Christ
FAUNA YOU FUCKINGGG DIRTY SLUT, ENJOY GETTING IT ON WITH YOUR YOUR BOYFRIEND NL. YOU CHEAP SLUTTT YOU BETRAYED US ALL, THE SAPLINGS WHO LOVED AND SUPPORTED YOU FUCKIG WHOREEEE
>>90569872As examples (havent watched them enough)INFP: Vivi. I let you all down. Im so sorry for being completely worthless. Im a complete failure. INTP: Ame: Mutual agreement, 'moving in different directions'. No burned bridges ('multiple possibilities and opportunities in the future (not just streaming) which i might not have considered and might not even exist right now').
>>90572610
>>90565713Pray she goes to an alt, if not probably Raora because she likes being called "mama", the closest parallel I can find that suits them or probably Cecilia since she's green but she's harsh on her chat sometimes
>>90567264Why would Sui and Miko care about Fauna?
Apologize.
>>90572610>No nature, Cover Corp must be industrial>No Space, workers must be pressured
>>90565740>believing shit vtubers sayAre you new here? Are you new to vtubers?
>>90572111
>>90571986I mean pre Holo Fauna was a literal mentally ill mess who hated her fanbase so much she actively tried to kill her own career. She did ASMR RP stuff but then bludgeoned her fans over the fucking skull with her "bf" so much it literally made her fans arrive at the rrat she made him up to fulfil some kink.
APOLOGIZE TO KEKFEETKEKFEET WAS RIGHT
>>90572610Interesting how the least interesting to me ended up being my favorite and pretty much the only one I watched and cared in the end.
You dont hate management enough.
I guess you fags predicted the graduation of the wrong green girl
Put me in the video Parrot, please? Or not, I feel nothing. Why is my life like this
>>90572610this chuuni roleplay shit was so stupid
>>90572743might be fucked
>>90572820She's not your friend
>>90567264This better fucking not be true
>>90572494But Fauna said she wasn't quitting because she didn't like the idol stuff...
>>90572017>>90571666She literally said herself that her mom is one of the reasons she's been in college. Do you think her mom is gonna let her sit on a degree and commit to a job she doesn't know about and probably won't understand?
>>90567264>Suischizo was rightI kneel...
>>90567277Thanks for the joke, bro...
>>90572849Read the text again retard.
>>90572872No, not even remotely similar situations
>>90572584>This is why Kiara wanted to spend more time with Fauna in the world tree and 7DtDThis is why Kiara wanted to spend more time with Fauna in the world tree and 7DtD>This is why Kiara wanted to spend more time with Fauna in the world tree and 7DtDThis is why Kiara wanted to spend more time with Fauna in the world tree and 7DtD>This is why Kiara wanted to spend more time with Fauna in the world tree and 7DtDThis is why Kiara wanted to spend more time with Fauna in the world tree and 7DtD
>>90567264>the micomet cabalthe micomet cabal>the micomet cabalthe micomet cabal
>>90572872Fuck Cover, fuck Rushia.
>>90571502Other corpos imploded due to cliques tooOnly PC seems immune to catfighting, but that might be jinxing it
>>90572712She truly was the Rumia of hololive
PARROT PUT ME IN THE VIDEO! AIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>90572814Just wait until we get the next 3.
>>90567264put me in the screencap
>>90564220Stay innocent stay so humble, don't let the voices stop your slumber...
>>90572339If anything, it makes more sense since she has bitched a lot about management, specially in the pastShe is the one that holds the most stockShe is the one that has the most power of the talentsShe is the biggest symbol of the idol dream Yagoo envisionedAnd to top it off, she also is one of the most senior membersHer words have a shit ton of weight, and she can bad mouth management as much as she wants, and she does hold power to change the direction if she plans toThe fact that she was in fact, very unhappy with how things were, and things changed that much, is more of an evidence than a disapproval of her position.If anything, if we see her complaints getting things changed more times, we will have confirmation of her power.
>>90572431>western woman>learning and growing as a person HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
COME ON COVER. 1 MORE. COMPLETE THE HAT TRICK.
>>90572610Vegan/Bogan got ahead of themselves by disrespect Don Miko and the Suicopath. All those games where Suisei "pretends" to be a monster don't seem like pretend anymore do they?
>>90565637Holo was always a side gig for Ina since she’s an artfag, it’s more of a hobby to her so she isn’t going to run into the same issues with management as with someone like Fauna.
>>90572151Ame was in HoloGTA , retard
>>90572682I like how this can be interpreted both ways.
>>90571986Ironically THAT SCHIZO is gonna be the one to fix LemonLeaf. I believe in Shondo and The Barbies.
>>90572260Cry more and stop projecting.
>>90572988The problem is that she likes the non-idol stuff.
>>90572712THIS IS ALL HER FAULT IF ONLY SHE FUCKING TURNED OFF HER DISCORD NOTFICATIONS WHILE STREAMING
>>90572814And two more coming ;)
>>90572230Miko and Suisei were promoted to management after A-Chan left and have been abusing their new positions to form a new clique.
>>90572552So this is the power of the Japanese businessman...Impressive...
>>90567277KEK
>>90567264>gankedyup, it's 100% true then
>Fauna didn't participate in HoloGTA because she is a lazy sack of shit no that can't be it... I KNOW! It has to be fault of these random japanese members!!!Holy shit are saplings the most retarded fanbase?
>>90570122Based
>>90572392Well, she didn't straight up graduate.
>>90572743He will come back to Watame
>>90567264>micomet were the true antagonists all alongholy fuck
>>90566966NI JI SAN JI
>>90572620I am a sad sapling and a primary chad.
>>90567277if she changes the video title to that it would be so fucking kino
Man, even Twitter trannies and Reddit bootlickers are wondering what the fuck is going on and actually getting pissy.They fucked up BAD this one time.
Ngl, 2025 might get MORE Graduations/Afilliates comingFuck it, let's ball
>>90572039LL was a bipolar disaster class who did every wrong thing possible to her own career. It is 1000% within her to self sabotage over something that minor.
>Wait up, Sana!
>>90572714I'm masturbating to Bao
>>90567264if they are actually butthurt about attractive co-workders Raora is next kek
>>90573020post it again it's gone
Why did I have to fall in love with you, Fauna? Why?
Ok who tf is the reason she quit? I NEED ANSWERS NOW
She just announced her graduation?Wow...I did not know that, you're telling me now for the first time.She led an amazing career.What else can you say?She was an amazing kirin - whether you agreed or not - she was an amazing kirin, who led an amazing career.I am actually sad to hear that. I am sad to hear that.Thank you very much.
>>90567264Holy fucking BASED Suisei and Miko remaking Cover in their image.
uuu
>>90567264>and Suisei, who has a long noseSUIPISS IS A FUCKIN JEW OF COURSE
>>90567264>deletedSuijannie this is pathetic
fuck
>>90571937>Kiara ever leaving by her own volitionLOL
>>90573154Your social credit score is dropping, get off the internet before the Honorable Democratic People's Police Force of Justice and Friendship sends you to a labor camp
>>90567264Never thought I'd live to see the day where Miko and Suisei are detrimental to the company
>>90573282one of my favorite guilty pleasures is checking out the megathread on virtualyoutubers whenever something goes wrong at cover.they're even worse bootlickers than the fags on this board kek
>deleted
TOTAL KRONII DEATH
>>90567264Deleted so it must be trueCover doing hard damage control rn
Some nigga shit is going on with Cover. She said this is ALSO due to the company's direction. I'm concerned right now. Remember, if Fubuki bails in any way, Cover's Gone BLACK.
>>90567264>deletedI will now believe this rrat
>>90573289>mightBreh it's gonna be a graduation fest before fes even happens
Come home Fauna
>>90571641His point was that it's obvious people like you have never had a job. In this case there's more specifically a problem with pretending "management" is a hivemind. None of the girls have ever claimed this. Most of them talk about how their personal manager has protected them from other management for example. At a real company, there's all sorts of managers and you can like all of them except for one that you fucking hate. And the one you fucking hate, many other people love. The talents would have to be the same hivemind you think management is for all of them to stay even if management were perfect.
>DELETEDOGEY SHUT IT DOWN
>>90572714Total corpo vtuber implosion.
>>90566966EveryVillainIsLemons
>>90565728Suisei is jew?
>>90571980I love Touhou green women!
>>90573336Thank you orange-man, very insightful
>>90567264Umm, why was this deleted?
>>90571322>EN needs more lifebloodSeems like that has been Cover's gameplan and they have been doing a pretty good job at it with Advent and Justice. BD was a hit and EN is lightyears ahead of where it was two years ago on the stage/performance side. Hopefully next year we'll see more of the same energy and growth. Hate to say it because I liked the girls, but Myth and Council/Promise were hired under completely different pretenses and most of them don't really fit into the new unified strategy outside Mori, Bae, IRyS and Kiara.
>>90573375They deleted this shit? Jannies are working for blackrock and cover I swear
Where we at bros
>>90573410>it's in my nature, said the long nose
>>90572872I’m sorry Rushia, I’ll make it up to you by coming inside you
>>90563310/vn/ reporting in
So is "le ominous management" just a convenient excuse, or can someone actually explain what's happening here?
>>90573457>Cover's Gone BLACK.basedonce you go black, you can never go back
>>90571937Kiara will NEVER voluntarily leave Hololive. She's nothing but a glorified cosplayer and knows it.
>>90571986>fauna returns as a washed indie, with all of her previous glory fallen>completely loses it, goes all-out nuclear menhara >starts fleshtubing 24/7, opens onlyfansI hope this happens, it would be so fucking funny
>>90573519filipinxhow do you not know this, was the jannie damage control really that effective?
be honest, do you still have faith?
Can't think of a fanbase that deserves it more than saplings. Maybe atmbuds but their streamer is basically already out the door.
>>90571212Look at >>90573123He has a point
>>905735767th trumpet, its all gone to shit
>>905735767th
Now I can’t go all in on supporting any of the girls any more. I can’t take that kind of heartbreak.
>>90565583She streams on twitch so the moment this board finds out, they will turn on her
>>90567264h-how is that possible?
>>90568565one day....
What if anyone from Gen0 that isn't suisei graduates?
Why is it that you mention that Suisei has a long nose and suddenly posts get deleted huh? Really makes you think.
It goes to the left.Wraps back on the right.Mumei is next.In the end, only the Chaos wins.
>>90572273She's in college partly to please her mom. What makes you think that won't carry over after she graduates? She's studying a major that interests her anyway? Why sit on it?
>>90564069>paperwork, coordinate permits, meetingsNothing to do with being an idol, or any form of useful work or service in general.The spiritual bureaucrat is the eternal enemy of civilization throughout all eras of history. If you are running a company and want to stay in business, provide value to customers, and turn profit, you must kill all bureaucratic parasites.All organizations beyond trivial size are at risk of catching the cancer of bureaucratization and when they do their decline dysfunction and eventual death is inevitable unless self-consciously prevented and purged. If any society wants to prosper, it must kill all bureaucratic parasites.If any human species is going to survive and avoid extinction, it must kill all bureaucratic parasites.Organization Man delenda est.
>>90573639>He said itAbayo anon.
Parrot I hope your next video is good
>Suisei is a flipI sleep>Suisei is a jewREAL SHIT
NEW RRAT incomingAffiliates have a corpo non compete clause while Graduates don't...
bros i'm afraid
>>90571120>>90571361>>90572776Sisters trying too hard
>DeletedIT'S HAPPENING
The old guard is crumbling, the future of vtubing is in small/privately owned corpos and indies, screenshot this
>Actually it was Miko and Suisei's fault.No sapling, your oshi was just a whore. Expect 300 different collabs with males on her new name in coming months.
>>90573336>SAD!
>>90566291I mean you could literally hear the frustration and tension in her voice when she said the reason she’s leaving is due to disagreements with management. Compare that line to the rest of the things she says. Her tone is flat and tense.
>>90572872Cover is obviously fucking up somewhere behind the scenes but Rushia's termination was 100% her own fault for being stupid.
>>90573650Yes, Friend is still there. Nonbelievers will burn.
>>90573650i have more faith that i will land a gf with my 3 inch penis
krofaubros?
>>90573748I have 500 smart fridges
>>90572743Currently on a flight to Kyoani the cover office.
>>90566461Why don't we have a webm of Yagoo doing this dance yet?
>>90573576This is literally the seventh trumpet.Cover (and big corpos in general) are in deep doo-doo.
Hello management
>>90573402Turn your computer on.
>>90573779and who is the flip between them?
>>90565844That was unironically 2 years ago. It's crazy how it feels like EN has done almost nothing for 2 years, at least the first two gens. IRyS, Mumei, Gura, Amelia, Ina, Kronii- all kept going on long hiatuses for meme reasons. Then Bae and Fauna did it too. Without Advent and Justice the entire scene would feel dead and cover made the dumbfuck move of only having 4 girls in advent because of the FWMC are one person meme.
>>905735767th, it's a fucking deathknell
>>90573650nope
wow people are vocal about the graduation announcement and they are not happy. Theyre discontented with the disagreement with management and quick rate of successive talents jumping ship. I guess they were holding out hope for a merch announcement. There's even a petition that's garnered thousands of signatures to have Fauna forced to stay. Obviously that wont happen but it shows how unhappy they are.
>>90573639>filipinxuhh bro the right term is swagapino
>>90572743he's grooming twitch indies, last i checked
>>90573123This would hold more water if she wasn't complaining about management fucking Aqua over.
>>90570898>>90571251>>90572151This is a hilarious spin on the schizo theory since at the time everyone believed HoloGTA was being done to allow some JP graduate to leave on a high note the way ARK was for Aqua.
>>90571641This happens at every job environment. Firm has to choose a lane and for those that came before it doesn't fit and they go their own way. It's life but i'm expecting Holo to drop few more people in the near future.
>>90573330because yagoo pulled the rug out from under them by going all in on idolshit and all out from streaming.hololive isn't a streaming company anymore. idk how many more graduations and half-assed graduations you need to figure it out.
THE CANARY IS DEAD, DONT ASK FOR IT TO CHIRP FOR YOU. FUBUKI ISNT RELIABLE AND THE COMPANY IS ROTTING
4 graduations now, management confirmed shit, direction confirmed shit.Niji volume 2
Sooo... uhh. What happens now?
HAPPENING >HAPPENINGHAPPENING >HAPPENING HAPPENING >HAPPENING HAPPENING >HAPPENING HAPPENING >HAPPENING HAPPENING >HAPPENING
>>90573810She's running this shit anon
>>90572620i have every main game lunatic 1cc?
Here we go again...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKX21of0sM
>>90574009no
>>90573650Nope. It's over. Only numberfagging and idolshittery will continue to flourish there, so FWMC have a bright future.
>>90573566Fauna was always a weird hire because she was only an ASMR artist really and to be frank, she wasn't particularly amazing at it. She just had a naturally pleasant voice. Like yeah she was a fine hire, but they hired her for the ASMR and she just didn't ever deliver on that promise.
>>90573054instead of getting jealous and targeting each other, they just beat up on Fishman.
>janny deleting a rrat to stir the potPretty based ngl
>>90567264IT'S REAL>IT'S REALIT'S REAL>IT'S REALIT'S REAL>IT'S REAL
>>90573724The only one I could think of that is remotely possible is AZKi and even then, it's very, very unlikely
>>90574009FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
Fauna really dropped a nuke with that straight up fuck you to management huh. Could've just cried and said nothing, now the speculations are wild, and even the normalfags won't be able to avoid it. I wonder what's going to happen next
If you're browsing from the archive:At the time I am making this post, >>90566509 is the first in the threadThis means >>90567264 was DELETED and not simply scrolled over because the 1000 post sticky limitRRAT CONFIRMED
>>90571937Kiara leaving would mean that we've reached a point of no return
>>90574009Gura first
>>90571904I don't disagree with those things being bad ideas, but changing outfits to be less revealing could just be due to fears about youtube's moderation. Twitch isn't the only place that has ever cracked down on some of the fanservice stuff
>>90574009b-based
>>90571986I, for one, look forward to her NTRing her entire fanbase on stream bonus if she opens an OF
>>90574009ISRAEL
>>90572111>that order they are sittingMumei will be the last one standing...
>>90573664He has a point, but I doubt she's management. She supported Aqua everytime she had an issue with management, she's definitely more on the talents side.
>>90573650Nah.
> directly blames managementHoly shit I kneel
IM TOO OLD TO FEEL THIS SAD ABOUT A STREAMER GRADUATING. FAUNA, I... YOU... UUUUUUUUUU PARROT, YOU GREEN FUCK, CLIP ME AND THEN KILL ME, I AM LOST
FUCK MANAGEMENT
>>90573735I can see this. Mumei doesn’t really seem into it anymore. Her streams feel half-hearted. Bae seems the most enthusiastic of the group. And Kronii, despite feeling like she would be the first to leave, actually really cares for her fans and seems to enjoy the banter with the other girls.
So how long until they start banning anyone bringing up the state of management
>>90573993>presented by fanslythey should just kill themselves now.
>>90573810Friend nods her head to those graduations anonShe would only leave if the company becomes bad to her, it doesn't matter if others are burning in thereIf anything, her stunt was the best to make sure Cover's reputation will always be safe and she benefits from it
>>90574009bro stop posting ragebHEEELP HEEEEELP MEEE HEEEEEEEEELP
I can't believe Fauna died of ligma
>>90573336DONADARU>"Shinzo?!"IT IS UP TO YOU NOWYOU MUST SAVE JAPAN
I remember when Japanese GDP was 2x higher than Germany's. Those fucking retards really need to get their shit together. Autistic corps ruled by old farts will destroy them.
>>90573650it was over three years ago.
>>90567264Hoshiyomi jannie you fucked up massively by deleting thisReverse psychology is in full effect nowDeleting it will be seen as damage control and confirmation
>>90562666Who's gonna be the face of holoblacked now?
>Holo becoming more CGDCT focused>The whores start leaving>Blaming random JP membersYeah, I think we're winning CGDCTgods.
>Another wave of EN graduation due to management disagreement>Both were the older gens who had the previous head of management in Omegay>New management comes in, old gens are becoming more miserable>New management always favors their new hires because they're THEIR picks>New management makes life hard for the old guard until they quit or make a big enough mistake to justify their firingSuch is the corpo life for any career.
https://poal.me/kzvuuwhttps://poal.me/kzvuuwhttps://poal.me/kzvuuw
>>90573650Yes, my oshi is still happy and just had a fun concert yesterdayI'm sad Fauna is leaving, though.
>"All right, we have too many talents and we plan to add more">"Let's see who wants to stay or leave">Ame, Chloe, Fauna and more leaves>"We thinned out the herd, let's hire new talents but this time for idol reasons instead">"Streaming helps but it's time to start the actual plan now"You better not leave Kiara, you got an opportunity right infront of you...
pinny posting
>>90571980Where the fuck is mima then
>>90572828Thanks, this is actually extremely helpful in understanding those two better. I got INFP and that example resonated disturbingly well with me
someone call parrot to check if he's okayor alive
>>90574266It's already happening, jannies doing massive damage control up in here
>>90574383In my bonesI can feel it
https://x.com/Wataaamage/status/1863027517008826424
>>90574009You know its fake because mumei doesn't stream.
>>90567143I like the girls, man.
>>90573724>Roboccoborderline Who, fans may follow or move on>AzKIthey forgot she was a member for years>MikoCatastrophe, a JP icon of stage work and event hosting that can't be replaced>SoraInternational incident, someone jumps from the Cover building, their blood showers the talents arriving for their daily slog
>>90573993She's not actually graduating until jan 03 2025I don't know what day the awards are on but I assume it's happening in december
>>90573123If kanata graduates then suisei really has a lot of power. Kanata left suisei yet kanata is still safe.
>>90574329mori of course
>>90574301the food is so cheap there right now though. i hope their economy is in the shitter for a bit longer at least
>>90571725More time and love for Ina
>>90566966sorry gays lol lmao
HOLOSANJI
>>90574329Do you have a reliable source of holoblacked porn? I usually search for edits in rule34 world
>>90567143nopenot even gonna buy graduation merch this timeFUCK COVER
I WANT THE HEADS OF THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR HER GRADUATING HOW MANY PEOPLE DO I NEED KILL
>>90574329>Faunaschizo will soon have nothing to shitpost about anymoreFaunaschizo...
>>90571024They're making them work more than the usual 2 hours a day.
>>90574329Literally whoever the unicucks love most
This is mori's fault. She made begging to collab with fauna a whole bit and now she's left. just like gura...
>>90574095She grew bigger than that role. She became the yapper, the gamer, the cow. Good investment
>>90567264That's bullshit but I believe it
DOKIBIRD! GATHER ALL THE LOST TALENTS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!
>>90573650no, the magic is gone. if your oshi speaks nihongo and loves doing idol stuff, then you'll be fine. otherwise, the writing is on the wall.
>>90573650In my oshi, yes.In Cover, not even slightly
>>90572610Barefoot Chads...
>>90574350>wave
>>90574190yeah Saplings aren't ready. They are about to hear about one person so much in just her debut stream alone that they'll leave that stream PTSD'd over a specific name for the rest of their lives.
>>90567065You’re supposed to give me reasons to hate Cover, not like them.
>>90574318lol
>Don't worry guys, Fubuki is still there so everything is fine.
>>90568821what is Kiaras screenshot?
>>90574666Gigi is gone after 3d debut
>>9057363018+ Fauna asmr is all I have ever wanted. Good timeline
Never believe a woman's lies. They will always cry to get sympathy from men even when they are in the wrong.>inb4 corpo dicksuckerFuck hololive, but fuck women even more.
>>90573650>>90573823i have more faith that i will land a gf with a 3 inch penis
>>90574301>throughout history there have been only four kinds of economies in the world: advanced, developing, Japan, and Argentina
>>90574552Their economy collapsing is great for tourists.
>>90574221Did you miss every time she has sound displeased at the way Holo was not perfectly idol?Backing your co-workers to bond with them better, but complaining about what they do in a roundabout way is basic social skillsAnd she clearly had a bone to pick with some things that they did, specially regarding the lewd stuff other Vtubers did to the brand, even if she never said it in their face or expressed displeasure
>>90574329
>>90567264>jannies don't know about the Streisand EffectNot surprised.
>>90566951If Suisei were to graduate, would she be allowed to keep her persona considering it existed pre-Hololive?
posting in a sticky
>>90571986source, lootbicker?
>>90574561>Deleted OHNONONOI THOUGHT HOLO WASN'T A BLACK COMPANY
The civil war is over. Kronii clique is the winner. Fauna and her useful leadership during the first hard years of council is now an obsolete way of leading the company. The investors want money and the money comes with music, as holo dev_is and the new jp gen can show. The new priorities are not streaming or gaming, now it is the dances of bae and kiara, the songs of suisei and calli, and those who helped the way must to retire and reach happiness as indies in their little reigns
>>90574463Then get her out dumbass, she's been in there too long
>>90570464>>90570627Imagine being so shit
>>90571986This. Get ready for that wiplash
>>905735767th unironically
>>90574780Isn't Fubuki the biggest Micomet bootlicker?
>>90563310/gbfg/ here, RIP
>>90574657No thanks bro. I'd rather have them coexist alongside each other, but hardly/not interact, than have them form a western clique.
>>90567264I would just write it off as schizobabble if it only happened once but it happened TWICE now
>>90574780Friend is Yagoo's concubine after A-Chan quit and I'm tired of pretending shes not. You cant trust a word she says
>>90571092>>90572223The complaints they make on stream are proof. They complain about things normal people just do and have less valid reasons to complain due to the massive financial security blanket they have that normal people don't. They have never once complained about something that isn't commonplace in a real job. If all their complaints are resolved by being independently wealthy (which is what corpo haters claim), then it's not indie vs. corpo. It's rich girls with personality disorders vs. rich girls who like being part of a social group.
>>90574810Based. Any corpo who builds their money on women will build their downfall on the such same.
>>90573650Whatever they are doing, they are fucking up bad
>>90572776She's actually Hololive's Millie Parfait and it's insane that people don't get this. You're not going to get the signal that things are amiss from someone who's drunk this much of the koolaid.
>>90574009IT'S FUCKING REAL
>>90574368I'll give LL a try when she redebuts in a couple of months and see what her new style will be.
>>90575025What was the first time?
>>90574872She has probably knee-capped as many people as possible to get that into every contract. She may be the only one allowed toaside from Calli, who will be bought out by Universal Music and become a permanent fixture of their music industry millstone factory before she ever gets to pretend to quit.
>>90574318>>90574459>>90574561erm
>>90574810The only correct statement here
>>90573576THE SEVENTH TRUMPET HAS BLAREDWHAT IS THE PROCEDURE NOW?
>>90573630Isn't Fauna a really good looking blonde irl?
Who is in the Kronii Clique?
Fauna BTFO!!! Except Mumei, her other genmates didn't give a fuck.
>>90575175Just panic, cry and hope for the best
>>90575228The guy behind you
>>90567264my schizo headcanon is that>HoloGTA is "optional" but led by the two people that have their fingers in management pie, so it's effectively mandatory>And those who didn't participate would be punished in some way (so watch any changes for those who didn't participate)>Fauna and Chloe pushed back and mutual termination is agreed on due to this. The "affiliate" tag is only for those who have content planned after their release
>>90572431You wish anon. Your ass is still here in the 4chins after all these years despite your growth. You're still the same bastard inside.
>>90568259
>>90572273>Not going to be an office drone to please her parents.Her mother is basically forcing her to go. She's literally talked about this in streams.
>>90562666Cover want idols.Move to Japan or graduate is the new meta.
So I guess they're actually trying to make them work now?
>>90573650beginning of the end, I foresee more graduations
>>905735767th, it's fucking over
Ever since Sana graduated, I have been vindicated by my decision to watch Artemis instead and Ina
>>90574009deleting it honestly made it look worse over just ignoring it now people are gonna go around and saying this shit is even true wtf man
>>90574544Kanata wouldn't, the way the company is right now aligns with herAnd her relation with Suisei is not as big of a thing as you think, the things Suisei is impacting is mostly the entire brand of Hololive itself, by nipping the imperfections of the brandAnd now we see the management being more and more strict, the only one that dares do anything more unseiso is Okayu, but she is the only one left doing thoseEven Matsuri doesn't dare anymore
With Sana, she wasn't there all that long and I watched her the least, no offense to her. And someone had to be the first to go in EN.With Ame, the affiliate thing softened the blow. Again not one of my most watched in EN, and she seemed to have already kind of backed off, still really sucked though. But I thought, hey, she can still be tech support and still feel part of the picture.With Fauna fully graduating, I am out. That's like cutting off the head of the snake as far as I'm concerned. Take the indie pill. At this point instead of things getting better at Cover I want all the talent that can to jump ship.
THE WEAK SHOULD FEAR THE STRONGDON'T PUT THE WORK IN GET OUT
>>90564714this had better be bullshit
please god no please please god why
o7
white and green lover viewers time to come home!
>>90568259>Elira was management>Suisei is managementBlue women, not even once
Losing A-chan was the start of everything, she was unironically the soul
>>90571986>>90574896seconding, source?
>>90575228Mori is the only confirmed one. IRyS is a maybe.
>>90575175Trigger self-destruct sequence, evacuate the facility if possible.
>>90575228Irys and bae
>>90572141When it's official they know about it long in advance, when the talent goes menhera, they obviously don't know about it more than hours in advance. Fauna appears to have gone menhera but some people say Kiara knew about it so I guess they must have known if that's true.
>>90574896>source?I was an old fan who used to watch her content pre-Hololive off and on. She did good ASMR RP videos but her streams were miserable. She was incredibly spiteful to her fans and was so anti-parasocial that she was content destroying her own channel to purge it. Also she was legit incredibly schizo in the not fun borderline stalker menhera way.
>>90575195>really good lookinguh, no
>>90575311i look forward to the self-inflicted drama, then
>>90574009>deletedIT'S REAL
She will finally get to collab with Northernlion when she joins Twitch now.
SHUT. IT. DOWN!
>>90573773Small corpos are being completely genocided anon. Count how many here are still alive. The likes of phase and vshojo are the only ones that miss the cut by being too big to fail.You don't need someone to sponsor you to get decent rigging anymore so the primary value-proposition of a small corpo also doesn't really exist anymore. If you can't get into a large established brand
>>90575329b-based. except if that's the case why the fuck did they hire yuros
>>90573504Fauna's too wholesome for the likes of them.
>>90575296Anon...you've been behind me this whole time, having my back, encouraging me to follow my dream of becoming the world's first triple backflip pancake champion. Has it been a lie this entire time?
>>90564714fake afwomen don't really care that much about politics
>>90575400not white enough
Fuck Cover
She can finally collab with Northernlion once she's graduated
>>90564714Proof???
>>90567749I agree, Cover need to fix what ever new shit they forced on their talents or they will die.
someone should update the reaper meme
>>90575514 (Me)>If you can't get into a large established brand--you may as well go indie.
>>90573773Just go for the indies and never look back, small corpos are worst than ever, every week one of them dies
>>90563310/sp/ hereThis is a worse loss than Ohio State losing to Michigan. Management needs to join Ryan Day on the unemployment block.
>>90570753she just wants to be a streamer, but Cover is forcing idolshit on her. she explicitly implied that on her announcement stream
>>90573537Abandoning toehoes for vtubers was the biggest mistake I've ever made
>>90575175If cover explodes, everything else will. It means the end of vtubing. Nothing will survive. Not Nijisanji, not Vshojo, not Phase, not small corpos, not even indies
welp hololive is just gigi now, hopefully she can bare the burden while still being the best
>>90575303Kiara didn't participate and she seems to be doing fine, unless they try to get her terminated
Still less graduation than nijishit, and it's just Fauna anyway, normal people don't even know who she is, she being here or not won't change a thing for Holo.
not into vtubers, just lurking this shitstorm for fun, but seeing how this industry is evolving, what are the chances that>new, competent talent that caters to what the company needs (streamer, singer, idol, charisma, moe, all in one, etc.) joins and outclasses previous talent who left because they didn't meet said requirements and/or couldn't deal with the industry new standards>some people (like ITT) are mad but in the long term the new talent outclasses the old one in reach, fame, popularity and kimochi>years down the line, the assumed graduated martyrs are forgotten memories, maybe there's a few pissy fags still mad about it, but the industry has moved on to new heightsdoes this happen or the industry explodes before that ???
>>90564714Her discord is public and mostly dead with emote spammers, nice try.
>>90574259And if it's true that cover wants full blown idols now. Well... Mumei never really seemed like the idol type in the first place.
>>90564714>Aqua left because Trump won't let her get abortions
If you want some proper insight in what it is some talents cant deal with, you will have to swallow your pride and watch a clip channel translating Laplus comments on Chloe QuittingTL;DR: Its easy to think before joining that you will work from home, stream as usual with very occasional attendance to things like 3D recordings, lessons. But in reality there are times where they have dance/singing lessons and studio recordings that takes up the better part of the month. Chloe found it too stressful as she only functions on long hours of sleep.
browsing vyt is really fun at times like these
>>90568259Oh god. It's all going to burn to the ground, isn't it?
>>90575585>redditlion
>>90567901The truck, the Hitman streams, her doing tabletop, I don't even know where to begin. Becoming goth and pulling in emo Mumei.
>>90575514>mio mention
>>90575708Brasucas lmao
You know what? Fucking based Hololive. Hololive is for IDOLS.You don't want to be an idol? FUCK OFF.
>>90575514>neena>sexy gurl gamerhow old is this pic? 3 years old?
>>90575640>Cover need to fix what ever new shit they forced onIts called going public. There is no coming back from this.
>>90575805bootlicker supreme right there
>>90575799i don't know shit about japanese work conditions, is this actually a possible valid reason
Maxor can finally get his crossover. Surely now that she's unaffiliated he can get her to do some lines.
>>90575529No. I still believe in you.
>>90575712whorei've been getting into eramegaten recently. just finished my first run with 10ng+ points. trying to figure out what i wanna do now that i realize experts kinda suck
>>90575374Sana also literally got hit by a fucking truckI'm sure things weren't 100% sunshine and roses behind the scenes but these more recent ones I assume are more or less fully management being retarded
>>90575860bro she wanted to be an idol, she literally said it
With the MiComet heel turn can we count on the war criminal to help balance the scales? There's no doubt now that she severed ties with Miko after witnessing the early signs of her corruption.
>>90575794>Everyone thought La+ would be quitting first>She actually outlived several other less likely HolosI kneel...
It's likely they wanted her to be more asexually overt for exposure but she has a boyfriend and it didn't go down well.
>>90575805Nigga is deepthroating the whole boot
>>90575393grubbers we can't stop losing...
Feels good to be freed from HololiveI can finally stop pretending Mori's music is good
>>90574855>Did you miss every time she has sound displeased at the way Holo was not perfectly idol?Apparently yes. On the other hand you seem to have missed every time she has been less than a perfect idol.
>>90575860>hire people who can't sing or dance>somehow the talent's fault for getting hired
>>90574896a lot of old LL fans turned into Fauna antis when she joined Hololive. She did a lot to piss off her old fans. In Council's debut the sticky thread was full of old LL fans warning people not to fall for her
>>90575836Nigga, Fauna was a prime redditor
>>90571986Nah she learned for sure, and sticking to the same routine would be the obvious choice (considering she has done so for 3 years in Hololive)
>>90563269i cant see the image. what setting do i need to change
>>90575325Not exactly, her mom wants her to move back home if she is not in school. So Mumei chose University.
>>90575986Being an idol requires putting in the work.
>>90575075yeah, I don't know how anyone take her stuff about trusting her as the canary honestly when she hasn't even said the slightest to criticize obvious issues
This is the official RRAT from the leaker himself.The jannies are deleting all mentions of this.DON'T LET THEM FOOL YOU.
Maybe I dont like vtubers actually
>>90575919the WHOLE place is like that right now.
>>90575707>explicitly implied>literally said "it's not because I don't want to be an idol"double negatives are hard, esl-kun, keep trying
>>90564246Again,>believing a womanwhen will (You) learn?
>>90567901https://files.catbox.moe/9gp2ix.png
>>90575709Vtubing's continued popularity is just a vestige of it exploding in the pandemic era anyway.
lmao ame really killed hololive by showing them they can just take their fame eslewhere
>>90576121I believe because it would be so fucking funny
>>90576020Nah, this is definitely one of those situations where it's like commies vs socialist fights where they're both fucking trash fire.
>>90575986She should've been willing to travel to JP for it, then. "I still want to be an idol, but I don't want to travel to JP" is basically moot in Hololive
>>90576201>AmeYou mean Aqua, right?
>>90575712These green women will never leave you
>>90567264Am I seriously supposed to believe that the royal_rhino5215 post on note.com was the fucking truth?
>>90575195>attractive blondewhether true or not, it's congruent with her personality so I'll choose to believe it. But it does imply some very dark things regarding Fauna and Lemon. Rough. My condolences to any saplings that actually have real feelings for her.
>>90576020>the antagonistic war criminal actually switches to fight the good fight and has been the good guy all alongFUCKING KINO
>go public>jews infiltrate and ruin everythingevery fucking time
>>90568573It is very obvious from Raora and GG that they JUST learned about it. Kronii having to carry that baggage is not fair.
I AM NOT GONNA WATCH TWITCH
>>90576121>official>from a leaker quoting himself>iphone filenamesjust give up
>>90575709Time to start looking for a new hobby, then(Although joking asides, I don't think Bae is graduating anytime soon so I will still be around)
>>90575393i finally dropped the game when she was revealed like in summer?
>>90576071>Thinks swinging her butt cutely is not idolYou clearly haven't watched idols anon, you don't know the definition of seiso
>>90576234it's holoEN not holoJPand also japan sucks ass for foreigners. If i was king of humanity for a day i'd destroy japan just out of principle
>>90576121Anyone trying to insist this hard on linking Suisei to this somehow based on a sukikira screenshot ... dunno man
>>90567264
>>90576180Instead I will take the side of the corporation! Corporations are my friend, I love them and the endless products they produce! I especially love when they decide that money is more important and start really fucking with the product that I enjoy!
Logically speaking, what beef would Suisei have against Fauna?
>>90576150How much bootlicking is Helmir doing right now?
At least I still have my autistic indie waifu
>>90576020What is she going to do? Both Miko and Suisei sell more than her. Micomet are merch monsters.
>>90576371Corporate Memphis HATE
>>90571401GG
>>90575418It's not hard to find. Even when fauna debut all those years ago there were talks of LL. The archives are still there. Hell there was posts of Fauna taking down cover with how toxic and schzo she was. We seen this fauna for so long we all forgot.
>>90568565Just give it some time. They're cultivating the fields for when their friends join up. And you will KNOW KINO when their first collab is Project motherfucking Zomboid.
>>90575709Vtubing existed when Cover was just a small tech company
>>90576471The real yab is that there might be a Cover employee leaking dates on a Discord a Sukikira schizo lurks.
>/trash/ raiding the stickygood job meidos
please play epic seven
What if the reason for leaving was because fauna is banned from having multiple alt outfit with hair color that matches the 4 seasons.
>>90576121i knew she was an evil bitch since she started getting censored official art
Can we get a Hololive version of this please?
>>90576083She did so because Cover and management held her back with as many limiters as possible. Fauna is a borderline as mentally ill as Shondo but more mean spirited and toxic. You should expect to become incredibly familiar with someone on her first stream back as an indie. You'll hear so much about them you'll wonder why you aren't watching them stream instead.
>>90576676>since she started getting censored official artWhat?
>>90576511None. Saplings are retarded. Suisei probably doesn't even remember half the EN members.
>>90576371didn't blackrock literally buy like 10% of cover? it's probably america's fault
OKBH Discord is about to kill themselves
>>90567264ruh roh
>>90576511Scratch that, what would Suisei and Miko want that would screw over Fauna and Chloe? As well as Ame and Aqua, apparently. Apparently we're to throw in A-chan too.
>>90575435>anti-parasocial>badGod save you.
>>90576682fuck i miss pomu
>>90576682Wait I haven't checked in in a while, the shield girl and fox lady on the bottom left?
>>90576629
>>90568676>With the growing death of NijisanjiDespite their insanely bad decisions, Niji is growing.
>>90576554Pekora has been recruiting powerful allies for the war against MiComet oppression. It's going to get messy.
>>90575435>>90576069>>90576582A single piece of evidence? samefagging retard
>>90576121Suisei has her own management within the company why would she care about the main branch?
EN management has always been a shithole though. HQ also isn't very accomodating to individualism, which isn't unusual for a Japanese company. Lots of people saying something changed recently, but the reality is the cracks were always there and were going to give sooner or later. The idol shift for Cover began before Myth even debuted.
>>90576762The moment Blackrock etc put stock in your company, just tap out. It's fucked beyond repair at that point.
>>90576682>1 green woman>>90576756i remember seeing art of like roboco miko etc in a hot spring towel and Suisei had a swimsuit or something
>>90576600The label of vtubing has attached itself to Cover. Ever since Ai-chan left Cover became the fundament of vtubing. Everything rests on Cover. They dictate the market. They dictate the direction of vtubing as a whole. Break the fundament and all that rests upon it will start crumbling down
>>90575712And don't you dare waddle back to /jp/, faggot. lie in that bed of idol feces you made for yourself. that's the least you can do for ever thinking 3dpd pretending to be anime could ever match the real thing
I was gonna fap tonight but now I'm too sad
>>90576371This screams of DEIfaggotryWe warned you fags this would happen when COVER built a California branch and you didn't listen
>>90576762Cover's american branch is in california. They fell for the DEI meme just like jap game devs do.
>>90576511the only schizo rrat that would make sense is that she wants hololive to go full idolfag so she can boost her music career, but that doesn't even hold up because suisei herself said she doesn't like how the fun and creative side of hololive is becoming sterile
>>90576629hate gachannoids
>>90576876i salute the rabi
>>90568821>graduations are also reserved to be a sixth trumpetread nigga read
>>90576818Being religious is parasocial.
>>90576600>Cover explode>Ai chan come back to thrive on the lack of competitioni live to see this
cover wants talents that can sing and dance. They want back dancers, duet partners, and guests for suisei concerts. Anyone that's unwilling is on the chopping block.
>>90576121I find it absolutely plausible that Suisei is a cunt, but I don't think it has anything to do with Fauna leaving. Fauna doesn't speak Japanese and the Japanese talents don't speak English. They hardly even interact and have completely different audiences. If anything, bullying would happen between Japanese talents.
>>90576789I wonder how many people actually killed themselves over this. Surely it’s already more than one by now
https://x.com/goodgirlshadow/status/1863046276629094504
>>90576881EN is dead and radioactive and JP is being carried by Kuzuha
>>90571594What the fuck even is his accent?
>>90576121How does Suisei benefit from all of this? Why would she want to implode Hololive? Someone explain.
>>90576955Fauna how could you disappoint that sapling like that...
>>90576955Sad fapping is best fapping especially to mommy’s graduation
>>90576371BASED BASED BASEDIt doesn't matter who you vote in, cuckservative. It's over for you.
>>90576695I mean being mandated for 3 years by Cover make sense but at a certain point keeping up an act like that changes you alot. I’m hopeful that she has matured or at least was heavily influenced by the limiters placed on her.
it's awfully cold tonight, bros...
>>90576789will mahdeen be one of them? please i hope so
>>90562666when she said she didnt want to do the gta thing i knew her days whenre numbered
>>90574657I don't want that cunt anywhere near my oshi.
>>90573650No. This corpration will be dead in 5 years.
>>90576485So you're braindead. Good to know
>>90576940if she just does it to herself then what's the problem?
>>90576371This looks fucking disgusting
>>90576905According to JP bros, on the JP site Miko and Suisei's threads are filled with the worst antis. They think maybe some information was being spread around by loose lips and the antis created rrat posts with it
>>90576554>>90576887>Fubuki becomes the Hogan of the HoloNWO
>>90576967>MUH DEINigger your oshi didn't want to travel to Japan. Start blaming your lazy ass bitch and stop schizoing out.Expect blacked streams soon from "Fauna" then you will see DEI in action.
>>90577078some women are just like thatthey get the "ick" and they just antagonize people. It's not logical, it's probably some evolution shit to eliminate competition
>>90576511>>90576757>>90576808They literally said they didn't harass them directly, just did something behind the scenes that "don't consider their personal feelings"
>>90577127Who else didn't participate?
>>90569003They literally rushed out to explain affiliation.
read the tread retard
>>90573650died when they went public, alway trust the plan
>>90576818>anti-parasocial>badActually yes, it is. Because her only thing was doing ASMR RP videos. She has always been incredibly retarded to try and combat something that is impossible to combat. Especially when her way of combating it was being a utter schizoid freak over it and coming across to your own fans like a creepy obsessed stalker with severe bi-polar disorder who hates all of them. Being that level of self destructive is genuine mental illness
>>90577254I wonder who could be behind this post.
>>90576121this rrat makes 0 sense, the only thing barely making it stick is that the dude knew of fauna's graduation, which doesn't even confirm he's the original leaker.
>>90576967Because it is fucking DEIfaggotry. It's unironically over.
>>90577280Gura
>>90577078Suisei wants to be the center piece and doesn't want competition.
>>90577023That comment isn't saying it's direct harassment either, note the parathesis, it's more like indirect through not considering other people's feelingsThe kinda thing that would be better described as something like a large-scale change to the way the entire company is handled with two particular people pushing very hard for that change, or something
>>90573650In Cover? NoIn the Holos? Yes
>>90577053>fauna already messaging her old flame for indie advice
>>90576121I don't watch suisei but isnt her main gig her singing? how is ceres a potential rival then? shouldnt she target marine since her mvs are super popular?
>>90577023>Fauna saus management is shit>Board deflects on suiseiSubltetly 0. Are you waiting for blue woman to be retarded like other blue woman?
>>90577335Was that really the same person?
>>90576371>be anime waifu company>use generic corporate slop clipart
>>90576511Fauna doesn't like Japan and Suisei is ultra-nationalist.
>>90577078Suisei is the Shawn Michaels of Hololive. Cocky, talented and important to the company, but also a completely toxic shithead asshole that no one wants to be around.
>>90577053Thank you shondo, I needed this
>>90577179It's called Corporate Memphis
>>90577393I feel like her days have been numbered for years now
>>90575332What does she do after 6? You can't tell me she's sleeping 15 hours a day
>>90567482KILL YOURSELF
Another grifter whore leaves, good riddance. Cover can make other girls into new talents, they dont need more grifter whores who have no loyalty to them.
Corporations are never in the right. They wouldn't make a single cent without their workers and as such should be bending over backwards for their talents. Bootlickers deserve the rope.
>>90565687The most annoying part about that shit is people act like it's supposed to be a secret but always try to skirt around it and """subtly""" hint at stuff that they know like they're in some secret club. Pick a side
Fauna graduated today...
>>90577053didn't shondo hate fauna?
>>90577563Pleasing shareholders.
>Chloe is sick and does not have time to do all the stuff management wants.>graduates>Fauna is sick and does not have time to do all the stuff management wants>graduatesHow did we go from the home for sick girls to this
>>90577112Yes it's been around 30 or so degrees and below for a while. fucking schizo weather we've had since autumn
>>90577493that's what (((consultants))) told cover what the west likes
>ANOTHER graduationok whats going on here
>>90577127Yeah she sounded a bit checked out even when explaining why she shouldn't participate in the GTA server. Wanted to do things that fit her schedule, and wasn't a fan of the language barrier.
>>90577053noo Fauna is gonna turn into a loli
>hololive becoming a publicly traded company >millionaire investors now get a say in how things will operate and what changes to make>Ame, Chloe, Fauna all graduate immediately after Hmmm.... Really makes you think
>>90576938This. They will unironically fuck with your stocks, buy out competition especially with their shell companies and even make it seem like you're losing money when they pull out some of their investment after you disagreed with their requests. Most financial advisors ignore the root of the issue and always think investors are always right even if they have nefarious agendas, it's the same with "ad revenue" bootlickers.
>>90577539this is diametrically opposed to what i've seen from her and how the other holos talk about her.
Why is she graduating? Just wants to go her own way? Is there writing on the wall?I know about the affiliate bit, but it seems like sticking in Holo doesn't have much diwnsides compared to being an indie.Is it the walled garden thing? Maybe the she wants to collab with certian indies?
>>90577423god i can't wait for the shondo/faunew onlyfans
>>90577053Did they keep in touch?
>>90577563Either nothing or a stream.
>>90575712play the games
>>90577655In that case she's gonna need more than 15 hours
>>90577539So that means Miko is HHH and we're entering the attitude era soon?
I'm glad I'm just into this scene for the funny women. But I always found Fauna at her funniest in collabs and I don't think any indies or pseudo-corpos outside of Holo will have that same energy. As long as there are more Funny People I'll be happy. I'm not falling in love any time soon. Except for CC. She's like me as a German girl and I need her to fix me.
>>90577539Except for Miko the other one who is also cocky, talented and important to the company.I accept my new micometgods.
>>90577704just working our way through the corporation. still need at least senzawa.
>>90577335I mean isn't it likely she just ends up in Vshojo like the other rejects and thus remain forced under limiters?
>>90577654>>90577563All this tells us is they've rekindled. What brought these two together again?
Shiori remains as the last sovl singer in hololive...
Parrot is gonna have a fucked up week editing this shit
>>90573650I lost faith before EN even started when it was really obvious they were suddenly handing down mandates on the existing JP talent. The second Fubuki inexplicably stopped hanging out with her male 2view friends (Piroparu, Goat, Wrench, etc.), I knew something was up.
>>90577053im confused why fauna is such good friends with a pedobait 4chan pandering streamer
>>90577654That rrat got snuffed out years ago when LL made a birthday message for shondo. She was gushing over Fauna
>>90576092Well either way, she's studying something she likes. There's no way she's not gonna actually use her degree for something.
So, what can we learn going forward?
>>90575133Chloe's.
so what now
>>90576069what did she do tho
>>90577721Truthpilled.
>>90577920The solution was more Homos
>>90577949come home
>>90577920Corporations are only good for using as a stepping stone for your indie career
>>90577725What people say publicly is very different from privately anon. I'm not feeding the rumour but using >BUT THE TALENT TALK GREAT ABOUT HER!is a poor cope. How many times have you had to speak greatly about your boss when you actually can't stand them?
>>90575025>see leak>copy leak and attach it to holo you hate elsewhere>???>profit
>>90562666Thank you Fauna,Thank you for being a friendTraveled down the road and back againYour heart is trueYou're a pal and a confidantI'm not ashamed to sayI hope it always will stay this wayMy hat is offWon't you stand up and take a bow
>>90575829When Hololive dies (I mean actually dies; what we're seeing is NOTHING yet), the explosion of sheer autism and parasociality is going to be fucking SPECTACULAR. The internet will not be prepared.Brace yourself as best you can.
>>90567264based suisei my filipina goddess
>>90577053Speaking of schizos... This is a major one. She's probably screaming "I told you so at the top of her lungs".
>>90577848i fucked it up sorry ya'll
>>90577183>Miko and Suisei's threads are filled with the worst antisYeah, Miko's thread on that site has been the HoloAnti general for years now and Suisei's for over a year at least. Last time I checked, I had to wade through literally a hundred doomposts of Regloss and Marine numbers before finding the first comment that shits on Suisei who the thread is supposed to be about. That said, whose thread it is supposed to be does affect their rrats and Miko and Suisei being successful quite literally mindbreaks them. Obviously schizos here aren't sharing the thousand rrats that share the same mythos despite several of them being born provably false. The most recent "insider leak" about MiComet clique ruling Hololive from the shadows that got surprisingly big being from a schizo who thought Shiraken comes from Shirakami kensetsu.
>>90578066Who are the Golden Girls of vtubing?
>>90576371>it's realhttps://coveredge.cover-corp.com/en/list/489
>>90570200Corpos aren't fine when top talents leave.
>>90577920japanese companies gonna jap
>>90578081We just need an american company that takes hololive's place. Japs suck at business
>>90578084filipinx*dont be a bigot
>>90578081Wanna bet on who's dying first Nijinig?
>>90576184this is me
>>90576371capitalists*
>>90578062anon i'm talking about everytime she's brought up when holos tell stories about meeting holos. suisei pretty much never talks about what she does with holos, it always comes from the others talking about having lunch and whatnot, and they have nothing but good things to say about her, on top of being a fucking weirdo.
The age of Cover is ending. It was legitimately very fun while it lasted.
>>90577335Doesn’t sound that bad to be honest, she just doesn’t want her fans to be parasocial. The fact that your description of her behaviours doesn’t go into any specifics also raises some flags. What did she do exactly to be labelled an obsessed stalker with severe bi-polar?
>>90577730She doesn't enjoy doing work that affects her health. Travelling and jetlag multiple times a year can be a big ask for some people. She felt like she could retain a lot of her viewers in her RM and get a lot of time back for herself, and took the opportunity.
>>90578084Abayo
>>90577920Age of Decadence has begun. The concerts will get bigger, the events more expensive and flashy but the talents on all sides who built the company will slowly be pushed out until the only ones left are the few remaining and those who never joined in the Age of Pioneering.
>>90577748Rushia was Chris Benoit. Coco was Muhammad Hassan.
I am sad knowing that her coomertastic design wouldn't get porn in the future
>>90577654Pretty sure they already buried the hatchet
>>90577953have you not noticed that all these posts about LL are the same generic, information free babble that doesn't actually say anything except about the person posting it?hint: it's a samefagging schizo
I've never been aware of Fauna's PL before this graduation sticky. If she really was this complete menhera menace known as LemonLeaf, then the current Fauna we know is like a complete jekyll-hyde 180. I realize Cover does a lot of tardwrangling behind the scenes, and I realize that people aren't their 100% true self at work, but the whiplash needed for this different persona is like genuine psychopath Ted Bundy levels. I've seen the "we can't be friend" clip and it's really tame and Fauna says completely normal things in it. Is this a similar case of anti shitflinging? Can some sensible neutral observer give me the rundown?
>Chloe announced her graduation yesterday>Fauna’s announcing her graduation todayWhat the fuck is happening with Hololive?
>>90570379Where did this "Kson hates Cover" rrat come from
>>90578081Why does that sound healthy?
>>90576988>>90576876rabbi the first horsman of the gachapocalipse
>>90578163>AntisOh you mean pekomikofags? Yeah seeing micomet does mindbreak them
>>90562666I just going to jack off to furry porn, sleep and hope this was a dream, cya faggots
>>90575514>mesugaki dog, very coolshe should phase in
This stinks of shareholders forcing talents to move near Cover's studios to work in-office or graduate/get terminated.If Cover had any braincells, they'd introduce any retarded return to office mandates on new hires only instead of retroactively trying to upend their current talent's lives because their shareholders want to see their shiny billion dollar studio being utilized for a voice recording.
why did it take until fauna for people to actually acknowledge the failings of cover
>>90577078Suisei wants to be the top of the pyramid, she's everything this board thought Kiara was and worse
>>90577335Surprised the Fauna "we can't be friends" incident didn't happen sooner if she was that anal about it
>>90578456niji won
>>90576371>/pol/fags were right at the endKEK
>>90578383Who's going to be Stone Cold Steve Austin that openly tries to defeat the evil boss Yagoo? Pekora?
>every single mention of sui is getting janniedoh..
>>90578344Cope. She travels to Japan to do idolshit which she repeatedly said she loved doing. There's something much bigger going on.
>>90578456They're tightening up the belt and making them work more than 2 hours a day.
>>90578442she's grown over her time in hololive is the easiest explanation
the mmd thread is literally the best thread up right nowI hope this becomes a tradition
She loves to stream, she wants to be and idol, she wants to sing but differences with management are her problem. How does going indie help her be an idol?
>>90577920Nothing much really. It's not like anything is changing. Even if holo somehow implodes, which it won't, some other corpo will crawl out of the woodwork to provide the same curated e-girl experience.
>>90577006Not really. Churches are the weirdos that insist god loves you to the point of being a total menhera about it. religion has always been a cope for the inevitability of death but with a supernatural opera nonsense origin story of the word tacked onto it
>>90570623I have the Jacket. It's fitted for nips tho so my burger-thick wrists can't get through the sleeves.
>>90575759Hololive will eventually be replaced if the market decides that it doesn't like the experience hololive is selling, and there's signals that what hololive is selling is changing. Whether that means this is their first proper puncture in the ship, or just them shedding dead weight, remains be seen. I don't think they'll DIE in the near future, either way; whatever death will come for Hololive will be slow and agonizing. The question is if this is the beginning of the end for enough customers, and it's a non-zero chance that answer is yes; especially if more talents flake for the same reason. This is the fourth in the last year, holostars aside, and they all cite creative differences or similar reasoning.
>>90578569Stop noticing things, anon.
>>90576943/jp/ got me into vtubers in the first place, it's their own damn fault
>>90578442What menhara shit did LemonLeaf do? I haven't heard about any of that
>>90578572Gura.
>>90578591Stop noticing things.
>>90578523>ame graduationeh she was falling off anyway.>chloe graduationbit weird but maybe its a coincidence...?>fauna graduation immediately aftertoo many coincidences. DEFCON-1
>>90578625Paycuts and what she can and can't say. Plus, what she can and can't do. Look through the thread for shit like MVs that have been delayed.
>>90578569If time has though me something in site is that /pol/ is always right, like it or no
>>90575709Kizuna Ai is coming back, so no.
>>90578523even retards can see that two graduations within 1 days of each other means something
>>90576092Well besides the point, I'm sure Mumei finds Hololive to be really fun, but idols don't seem to be where her real passion lies.
>>90578591>offtopic rrats are getting deletedwow?
>>90578591There is no harassment in Hololive.
>>90577744They've been kinda shit after mountain of faith honestly. Some of the fan stuff catches my interest from time to time though.
>>90578572Yagoo ain’t the evil one. He’s a red herring for a greater evil.
>@amanekanatach>「知らせ」
>>90569686she's too lazy to do idol stuff and they're going full idol
>0% chance of the MILF hat ever coming backFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK WHY WAS I BROKE THEN
>>90578824When was the last time you saw a rrat get jannied?
>>90577254NTA but that art style is corporate memphis which is supposed to use unnatural skin colors like blue and shit and the only time this style uses actual skin tones it’s to show heckin diversity. Also Cover literally used the terms diversity and inclusion in one of their statements, you’d have to be a retard if you genuinely think they aren’t sipping the DEI koolaid
>>90578625Imma let you in on a secret, anon. Women.....LIE. She never wanted to be an idol, otherwise she'd have taken serious voice training classes. She just wants to be an asmr streamer to milk her simps dry(but only of their money)
>>90578442People are shaped by their environment. She's always been open about being part of a religious cult even within Hololive, she just doesn't have schizo friends supporting her in solidarity in Hololive.
>>90562666ITS OVER LOLOL
>>90578867That's the worst kind of evil
This is why FWMC thrive while whores die off. EN management got a taste of what a real JP idol looks like.
>>905785232 people back to back following up on ame from like a month ago changes it from "Wow there must have been some bad circumstances for them" to "Ok SOMETHING is probably super fucked".Not to mention sena updated a few months ago too
>>90578177First person who comes to my mind
>>90576682Not including homos and a-chan.
>>90578871Is she coming back to kson?
>>90569796I've seen you use this picture to anti and shitpost. Nice job faggot
>>90576907They can freely ghost talents, ignore talent events in announcement and the freedom to block whichever projects they like with the most flimsiest of excuse ever "brand risk"
>>90578923Me a few minutes ago
>>90578923Are you serious? Rrats get jannied all the time because they border on spam and offtopic
Do you think they tried stopping her from blaming management?
Cover just stepped in deep caca.Hail eris.
idk what platform she will move to but i will pays dozens of thousands of dollars for an asmr joi countdown from her
>>90578591Sticky moment
>>90567264>>90568259it's been pretty clear for like two years now Suisei is the subject of extreme favouritism and management bend over backwards for her, but I doubt that means she's masterminding anything.Obviously there's the difficult to know issue of Holos being demanding of management and actually getting their demands fulfilled and other Holos failing to command any sort of control and being under management's boot, and everything in between and whatever sort of internal politics maybe at play regarding that....
>>90579027It's actually just that people on this board like Fauna. That's literally it. It didn't matter which order it went.
>>90575759>years down the line, the assumed graduated martyrs are forgotten memoriesNever forget the CEO OF SEX, she speedrunned the whole indie ordeal before it was even cool
>>90579049Gen 0 untouched huh?
>>90578954>She's always been open about being part of a religious cultHUH? the fuck are you on about?
>>90577254>least salty (((merchant)))
Being a corpo vtuber is already not a real job but it's too much of a job for women
>>90578852I blame this fucking chinese cartoon hag for my mind control fetish. Bitch
>>90579049lol grim.I guess council didn't do as well as they expected
>>90578442*TAP* *TAP*
>>90578523Because Fauna had the cojones to outright say it. "I'm leaving, it's mane-chan's fault, goodbye."
https://x.com/takanelui/status/1863039564061040712A lot of the JPs liked Fauna, huh
>>90578978Make this shit like the Reddit heaven meme and add fauna walking up there
>>90578722Wrong. (You) fell for the anime mask trap and expected these whores to behave like actual anime girls. (You) had to learn the hard way how wrong (You) were
oh shit bros japs are angry
>>90578935ummm, what an incel chud post. Women don't lie
>>90578892Damn bro I didn't even think of that. I'm never gonna get my MILF hat...
>>90579152I was hoping that, if it was some awful mistreatment or scandal, she would just say it outright and risk the instant termination/corporate unpersoning just to be a martyr. But then what would Kronii do when she quits?
>>90578954i can save her
>>90579007They probably are unironically comparing FWMC's output to the early gen lazy shitters and trying to get them to do more work.
>>90579049Hololive: Days of Future Past
>>90579283That's a surprise, they're usually the biggest bootlickers
I trust the decision fauna made. She is kinda smart and probably put her income into some stocks and could live comfortably for the rest of her life.
>>90576371/pol/ka tried to warn us
>>90579133Let me guess, you post exclusively in /hlgg/?
>>90579160She'll likely have to dualstream YT and twitch because even after all these years too many just wont watch the other platform. YT will also assblast her heavily so she'll have to do the ASMR stuff on twitch unless she likes her channel joining the many casualties
>>90578954>She's always been open about being part of a religious cult even within Hololivew-what
>>90579166Nope even micomet posts on the 'log are getting nuked now. Shit is fishy as hell.
>>90578442>>90578603>>90579217>if I samefag enough it'll be truekys
>>90578442kek and I'm supposed to believe that cover is responsible for this one?I will accept Ame and Chloe, but fucking LemonLeaf? This would be like Shondo getting into Hololive and then getting surprised when she graduates 1 month later.
nijibadhologood
>>90579283You know is bad when JPcucks are rising up
>>90576966I've lost a shit ton of respect for Japanese devs and artists in the past couple years. The most upsetting thing is that, since they're always late to world trends, they'll be pumping out tons of full-on wokeslop just as America is moving on from it.
>>90579040Amiya is such a sweetheart
>>90578591stop nyoooticin'
>>90577953The simple answer is that she had a bf at the time who she felt compelled to use as a weapon to beat her fanbase over the head with to kill any risk of parasocial fans. You heard about the fucker so much your ears would start to bleed and she'd bring him up at the most random out of nowhere spots possible. It was all very abrasive and the way she acted about him made her come off as an obsessed stalker.
FUCK COVER AND FUCK NIGGERS
>>90578978>A-Chan leaves>company goes to shit
>>90579379She's an NL stan, her portfolio is probably diversified as fuck
>>90578892FUCK you're right
>>90579049HoloID having the least worst management is fucking wild.
>>90579152we'll know if suddenly all the references to her leaving on everyone else's twitters magically disappear
>>90579381/pol/ka nooo. You'll get banned.
>>90579192>>90579425chuds think veganism is a cult
>>90579283>>90579373what's it say? can't read the runes
>>90579168Aside from her live tour, which is quite justified by being not only the best selling music Holo but also by having the prestigious and invite-only Budokan as her final stop, what exactly has she been getting that the others haven't?
>>90579373That's Nijifans you're thinking of.HoloJP fans have shit on cover before.Look at that weird staff video they had to do once earlier this year. Everyone hated it.
suisei is evilevil women are hot
>>90579402/#/>>90579443Because rrats that are made to look slightly believable are actually harmful
>>90579443Definitely not Niji staff taking shots at cover either lmao
>>90579479America literally owns japan, blame them (and israel which owns america).
>>90578892The fact that hat made me realize how popular Fuana is in the midwest cause people just walk up to me and pass me a Fauna quip
>>90578978>all of these people are happier now
>>90569840Those poor midgets in the ankimo costumes
>>90579473niji badholo badphase badvshojo badcute girls goodhappy girls best
>>90579419you didn't address the jerk off instructions part but i understand
>>90579613Chuds are right on this one.
>>905790494 is the magic number unless you're ID
>>90578442>and I realize that people aren't their 100% true self at workFor some people the difference in professionalism is extreme when working for somebody else. Who knows
>>90578625Going indies might not help her to be an idol, but it sure helps her not having to go to Japan (which she has said several times that she doesn't want to)
>>90578954>She's always been open about being part of a religious cultseriously what the fuck did he mean by this
>>90579538Who let this faggot retep into the thread
>>90579697Feminist faggot
I already see people trying to say management wasn't apart of why she left
>Miko and Suisei are both mentioned>Only Suisei is getting shit ittYou aren't being subtle. Suisei literally mindbroke you. Every single braincell. Broken.
>>90577704A-chan shrugged
>>90579613Correct!
Before Ame >>85580133Before Chloe >>90336910Before Fauna >>90506342 This certain 144p mumei has a 100% mortality rate
>>90579697>happy girls bestNo, I like them crying
>>90579540A-chan was the canary but we didn't realize it at the time
you know who's next
>>90579183not by me
>>90578442I’ve made my reps around the LemonLeaf archive and have found frankly nothing. She pitches up her voice to be cuter, she HAD a boyfriend which she openly says on stream, she HAD a falling out with shondo but not anymore and her streams were boring back then. Not sure what this menhera stuff is all about, most I’ve heard is that she has long hiatuses sometimes.
If Suisei is evil then why is she SEX?
https://poal.me/egq8vyhttps://poal.me/egq8vyhttps://poal.me/egq8vy .
>>90578308If you've worked a corpo job you would know that this can actually be a red flag. The raging asshole in a position of influence who everyone tries to suck up to gets nonstop praise, and then in return they don't praise any of their coworkers to return the favor and give all their feedback behind closed doors so no one knows the extent that their sucking up is working or not. Not saying it's happening here but that general behavior pattern isn't unheard of or anything
>>90579785Heavens Gate but it ended when Sana graduatedSource: deez nuts nigga
do you rike it?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CYSz5lu3g0
>>90579654That would be fine if it weren't for the fact that when it happened to Nijisanji, there's been endless threads about Elira's clique and none of them got deleted. Why is this treated definitely? It's essentially the same thing.
>>90578442I mean maybe Cover told her she can't fake having a bf anymore to get off to her cuck fetish? Maybe she started taking meds? Maybe Cover has the best leashes in the world? Who knows. Most likely she just toned her power level way down to like 1%
>>90579217Yeah, we can see how the strict code is killing many of the good girlsIf you don't want the girls to do fanservice then just admit you are a fag and go watch homos instead
>>90563310I literally just started watching her like 2 weeks ago
>>90579889What'd she beef with shonders?
>>90579168>>90579630Suisei has always had the loudest antis.
>>90579888God i hope so
>>90579799hows that boot taste?
>>90579443Read the 7th trumpet
>>90579888please FUCKING GOD dont do it
>>90578081>Brace yourself as best you can.I'm stocking up on popcorn as we speak
it's so fucking over
>>90579888>grim reaper vtuber>kills other vtubers she collabs withkino..
>>90579697based
>>90579560being in a similar timezone to jst probably helps
>>90578722No no, those "/jp"anons were not /jp/sies. They were invaders and needed and still do need to get out of /jp/.
can someone make a bingo card for Holo?
Cover unironically got freemansioned
Glad she's vegan, the only meat she should be eating is my BWC
>>90579889More than just "openly says", she had him on a watchalong stream iirc.
>>90571937Kiara is protected by the resistance group within Hololive. Led by Pekora
>>90567264Yeah Im never gonna support micomet. Literal bitch duo with management bending backwards for them and taking out anyone they dont like
>>90579889There's a reason a massive amount of her fanbase seriously believed her bf was actually fake and just her cousin pretending on stream. It wasn't just a few sad unicorns coping with being cucked. It was a very considered and prevalent rrat
Someone needs to draw a Hololive (or general corpotuber) parody of this.
>>90571878this, someone like ame I can see just not feeling like holo's the ideal fit for her anymore, and chloe was already barely streaming for long stretches anyway. but losing aqua of all people who clearly had a cushy deal where she didn't have to stream much and was also one of the most gung-ho pro-idol people in the entire company? that should have been an IMMENSE red flag. no, the girls aren't leaving just because they're being asked to sing, it's something else.
>>90579963If you have to ask, you can remind yourself by checking what Elira's most viewed stream is. Not comparible to a rrat that has no basis and is being parroted by dumbasses who can't read moon.
>>90579697women became whores if there's no corpo controlling them
>>90578860i honestly think the games have only improved since MoF. LoLK and UM are infinitely more fun than EoSD and PCB.
>>90579379Have you not seen the buff former corpo girls got after going indie? Her future income is most likely gonna be higher than it was before.
Kek what a bitch
>>90577015Fauna practiced for that. Management either shit on her or made her feel out of place/ made her unwanted.
>>90579641It's hilarious how the evil ones are blue women in both companies.
>leaves>company goes to shitApologize.
>>90579963I'm not gonna argue with that, but this board's jannies always hated Nijisanji. Everyone else, including indies, have had rrats like that getting choked out of oxygen as soon as possible. Besides, Elira explicitly threw herself in to defend the honor of Nijisanji, while Suisei has been very open about how much she's had to fight management. Also, like >>90579847 said the fact that it's being focused on Suisei (who has a known crazy anti) and not Miko too.
>>90579217cringe
>>90579888Ina holding on this long has honestly been a miracle. It would not be surprising.
>>90580164Every fucking time.
>>90580089This is gonna take the cake for best autistic meltdown. Endless 8 and AOT 139 won’t come CLOSE to thisAlso I’ll bring the drinks
>>90580306this was literally sana
>>90570452it's not specifically fauna duh. It's just they influenced management that indirectly caused fauna to be fed up and leave
>>90562666KWAB
>>90578954I always thought it stood out that she typically only says oh my gosh, like she grew up Christian. But I guess you just mean being vegan
>>90580201Insane that you actually believe this rrat
>>90578456people don't quit jobs, they quit bad management
>>90580226Dang that's rough buff I sure hope we can find anyone on the planet that can use paint and rotate
>>90579998If they want to be sluts and stream with guys, then they're better off elsewhere.
>>90580059>happy girl waa waa Hows piss and shit taste troon
>>90576092Then where is she gonna go AFTER she graduates from school?
>>90579634>weird staff videoQRD?
>>90580222>It wasn't just a few sad unicorns coping with being cuckedYeah, it was *a lot* of sad unicorns coping with being cucked
>>90580092This is a direct result of Gura only streaming when she has merch to shill
The thread is putting Firefox on blast for me.Goth Fauna is a fucking gift that I never asked for. Thank you, universe.
>>90578224>AmericanThey will fill everything with diversity hires and kill the thing even faster
>>90572714Corpo culture is finally being exposed
>>90580335She still does a bunch of official art stuff for mobages rightI kind of haven't kept up with much other than the occasional archive stream since sana graduated.
>>90580092>Cover has entered the Pokemon merch phaseIt's actually over
>>90580026Shondo is unironically a schizo, she has diagnosed bi-polar I believe. Whenever a close friend of hers leave to join corpo, she would have menhera breakdowns on how all her friends leave her and she would be all alone in this world. Eventually it gets sorted out, LemonLeaf ghosted her for a while but it seems like they sorted it out in private since Shon got a birthday message from LemonLeaf and was gushing over her. Also Shonders might have a crush on LemonLeaf but thats a rrat.
Fauna's top 27 streams are all from years ago
>>90578081Honest question, what's gonna happen to the vtubing landscape when hololive dies, is it gonna go back to how it was pre 2020 boom?
>miComet want hololive to focus more on idol side>lazy whores start graduating one by oneAdapt or perish, bitches. This is true japanese idolatry 101, it's the law of the jungle.
>>90579697vshojo is just being an indie with some bonuses on top. never been any proof of a company obligation
>>90580230But that doesn't answer why Enna or others got dragged into it despite never being mentioned or involved in the black stream directly. That by the same definition is baseless.
>>90580465Acceleration? What a great idea.
I mean I always was surprised at how cover handles talent.We have FWMC and even fucking Kaela which are non stop streams every week. And then we have shitters like Gura that clearly don't give fuck about the company or vtubing in general it seems.Lazy shitters only serve to demotivate the people that actually put work.I'm surprised there hasn't been more graduations.
>>90579560>HoloID having the least worst management is fucking wild.More like not matter how bad HoloID gets, the girls will NEVER graduate. Motherfuckers in Indonesia make more money selling Classic World of Warcraft gold than they would with an actual career.
>>90580230Yeah, I seem to have recollections of looking for the gurratt everyone was talking about and finding people complaining about it getting nuked by nijijannies. Kinda like the phasejannies, vshojojannies and holojannies are constantly nuking inconvenient things except when they aren't.
>>90579888no...
no really whats the point of staying with holo live if you can just make bank as an individual streamer
>be japanese company>hire overseas talent>force them to regularly fly out to japan just to satisfy your need for meetingswhy are they like this? airports and air travel are already fucking bad enough once a year
I've just been sitting here in my chair since news dropped
This is the project that tipped Fauna over the edge. Say something nice about it!
>>90579133It would be so fucking funny if you forgot to untick your jannie badge like that one time
>>90580447Anon one minute of watching a single stream of hers was enough to kill any and all unicorns within a country mile. She didn't have unicorns in her fanbase because she was so anti-unicorn she practically killed her channel over it.
>>90579994It would be abit sad for her to be lying about having a bf, isn't she pushing 30?
Fuck it, just for today I'll stop being a permanent lurker and post hereWhat the hell am I supposed to do with all this sudden adrenaline?
>>90579888MORRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>90579512>used BF as a rhetorical device to scare away parasocialsI can trace her woman thought process thinking how that would work. To be fair, that probably deterred a lot of "sad, lonely" schizos. But if I imagine myself as a "shooting john lennon" fan, I don't think that would escalate the situation exactly. If you are a woman and you're a celebrity in any given sphere of influence ever, you are going to get unhinged parasocial male fans that wants to marry you. That's a law of nature, you're never going to flee from that. If you don't want that, don't become famous.
>>90580434I just know you made the biggest faggot redditsmirk while writing this
>>90578081AOT139, JJK236, and Endless Eight will look like pipe bombs in comparison to this fucking Fat Man we’re getting with the death of Hololive
>>90580092>streams create fanbase around vtubers>vtubers become "IP">play safe and restrict streamers to sit on branding to the detriment of what created your golden goose in the first placeTruly the Japanese way.
Micomet can't touch gura because of her high numbers huh
>>90580583>lemonleaf shondo yuri kills cover
>>90578224Japan and America are competing for most dogshit work culture.Being your own boss is where it's at these days.
>>90580222It was eventually determined that she has an actual boyfriend but they broke up after LemonLeaf popped off as a streamer. So I still fail to see the menhera part of it all?
>>90580705humiliation ritual and regular show of dominance
>>90576348>But it does imply some very dark things regarding Fauna and LemonLike what?
>>90580230Ah yes, because the clique shit only started after that stream, nothing to see here guys
>>90580696frens and that's it
>>90580583we all know shondo likes dogs more
>>90580092BUT IN ORDER TO SELL MERCH YOU NEED BRAND RECOGNITION WHICH REQUIRES STREAMS THE FUCK
>>90580778Post.
>>90579785She's a Scientologist. I thought this was common knowledge?
>>90580583>1 month too late for the shumo packing off collabI forget what it was too not confident it was bipolar though.
>>90575303Retarded schizo, Flare didn't participate and she's extremely close to them.
>>90580705Reminder that they DO have a studio on USThey just spent to much money on the thing to not use it
>>90580778Synthesize it into anger towards Cover management
>>90580778follow lemonleaf if you liked fauna I guess
>>90580092And (You) fucks are calling several ghost members of hololive lazy for not streaming. They're literally the smartest ones, streams aren't the main source of income anymore so why stream at all when you can just print your face on merch and make bank
>>90580600It would just turn to regular streamers, without kayfabe to sustain vtubing they'll eventually do irl streaming whilst using vtuber as a stream tag.
You know, it kinda makes sense with how hard micomet is being pushed by management
>>90580804The very idea that some design brought to life by a singular, irreplaceable person should be handled as an IP is incredibly Japanese. And retarded. The "IP" is dead when the 中の人 leaves.
>>90562666>>90571666>>90574666>666WTF is happening?
so what's the deal with the afilliate cope or whatever? didn't she straight up graduate?
>>90580705If you hate Japan so much, you should never have been hired.
Company good, yagoo good, fauna bad, it's easy
>>90580599Fat and ugly bastards always get the fucking bitches am I right browski?
>>90580605>already memoryholing the froot debacle
>Double dead girlsImagine being this fangame
>>90580374What did he mean by this
IT'S ME /vt/! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!
>>90580768give one example
>>90580026There is no beef. Shondo is just a schizo. Not the funny /vt/ kind but unironically mentally ill schizophrenic. And that's the kind of company LemonLeaf kept.So did CC, but let's ignore that.
>>90580946Not too sure either but she is definitely mentally ill and has breakdowns often
Do we hate Fauna now?
>>90581016ame is the only affiliate iircmyth as a brand is still too big for them to just brush it over
>>905806003rd impact happens
>>90571414this, the IPO and then a-chan leaving were titanic shifts and we just didn't want to believe it was real until we started to see actual changes from it. well now after a bunch of disagreements with managment/"direction" apparently being bad enough to quiet over, here we are.
>>90581012Stop noticing.
>>90562666All she wanted was to have sex with her boyfriend live on stream, but evil Cover won't let her do that. Save her, Gunrun
>>90572441What’s sanae2.png?
>>90562666Put me in the screen cap ParrotSELL SELL SELL SELL
>>90581133that foobs is too cursed
>>90580748FAT CLOCK TITS
>>90581120>Miko literally killing Ame, Fauna....Matsuri doesn't even stream with Hologirls that often, does she?
>>90580754BASED MODSmale+female threads is the future
>>90579927The suisei schizo is so obvious. Toko always says something good about suisei. Are you saying suisei is also part of niji management?
>>90580790Phase Connect has a woman that makes legitimate efforts to get a Hollywood actor to fuck her, don't think that's a gender specific thing.
>>90580605Yeah, it's a fake corpo that mel and friends set up to handle merch and some basic logistics. you can see how that all works with the exodus of talent last year-- everyone kept their models, socials, etc.
>>90581120Oh no Matuli run. Everyone who faces Miko gets graduated.
>>90581012>i'm listening to slipknot - The Heretic Anthemyeah, i'm thinking satan is BACK
>>90581016People guessed Fauna would take the affiliate route since it more or less seems to guarantee the door stays open. She didn't. We don't even know if she was offered the opportunity.
>>90580919Yagoo only saw the effect and not the cause. Why do think he's pushing so much on vsinger stuff with Dev_is when it has been proven to fail at the start.
>>90581004YOU NEED TO STREAM FOR YOUR AUDIENCE TO KEEP CARING ABOUT YOU, RETARDED FUCK.How do you think ghosting will help anyone???
>>90580846She was schizo about parasocial fans despite being an ASMR RP artist. No normal rational thinking person goes on a scorched earth kill all parasocial fans movement when the content they make is 100% without fail going to produce lots of paraosocial fans. In fact its basically impossible to be a streamer and not have parasocial fans. It's just the nature of streaming/content creation. She was willing to heavily damage her own career for what amounts to an impossible task that does nothing.
>>90581207No, we hate MiComet and FBK now.
STOP noticing. Right now.
>>90580600Definitely going to be much more small corp and indie centered.>>90581247It's a filename for an image. You click on it, and it will load a large picture.
>>90580919The pillars of Hololive still stream more today (on top of doing all the idol shit Fauna hated) than Fauna ever did in her time at Hololive.
>>90580768Ok, sure. Well, she can just go back to that job. I'm sure she made good money in holo, plus her boyfriend(husband?) prob works too. She's a grown ass woman with money, she'll be chilling. And all the most deducated saplings can follow her if she restarts on the old job
>>90581268>Are you saying suisei is also part of niji managementProbably not management but she's the one holo who's extremely close with a lot of nijis, which is not a good thing.
>>90581120wow that is one UGLY matsuri. tumblrtranny art style.
>>90581137>So did CC, but let's ignore that.Somehow, this does neither surprise nor upset me. Huh.
>>90580795>JJK236imagine reaching chapter 236 on this trainwreck of a manga
>>90581475Toko and?
>>90562666>we regret[X]
>>90581403Any one having ever heard of Rushia would tho.
>>90580446maybe this ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nexhYTQCDyg
EVERYTHING IS FINE
>>90581430I can't. I see paper trails of investment money and girls with long noses....AHHHHH save me, anon. I'm going insane.
>>90581566They regret not being able to cash in on her for longer
>>90581475>Suisei now is part of the Elira clique How far are you planning on taking this?
>>90581413>WeAnother whore pushed out by micomet and fbk trying to turn Hololive into the idol company it was meant to be. Don't speak for me you retarded sapling.
>>90567264>chloe wasn't in hologta>fauna wasn't in hologtaI hope you're oshi was in hologta lads or they might be next.
>>90580444She'll have her own place.
>>90581016I honestly thought they would phase out graduations for the affiliation stuff to make it sound more palletable to fans and shareholders
>>90579963GUURAT threads were being deleted left and right.
>azki made so little impact she was going to graduate>instead starts streaming, discovers a niche that hit the algorithm and gets huge boost to channel & income>cover corp be like: we need to get rid of anyone who doesn't want to spend their life doing what azki did for years without success
>>90576511>>90577269this, it's apparently some new company policy that apparently other girls really really fucking hate. it doesn't seem particularly tied to theories about idol activities otherwise aqua wouldn't have minded and fauna also specifically said it's not that. it doesn't seem particularly tied to holostars because more homo interactions should have fine with ame. so who the fuck knows what it is.
>>90581085what did they oblige her to do
>>90581292>slipknot>satani don't know what i expected from this board
WHO'S THE BLACK COMPANY NOW, MOTHERFUCKERS?!?!WHO'S THE BLACK COMPANY NOW?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>90581598This is not even funny. This is just sad at this point.How much in denial do you have to be?
>>90571241ERB moving to get studio time when she's by far the worst singer among the singer chuubas is insane.
>>90581598I can't help but notice that predominant color of this persons' avatar is BROWN
>>90580905>we all know shondo likes dogs more
>>90579283what are they saying?
>>90581656Ame was there.
>>90575400not green enough
>>90576371Who knew the Chinese were actually the good guys?
>>90580092This is why YOU DON'T FUCKING GO PUBLICI WARNED YOU NIGGAS
>>90581220https://x.com/hololive_En/status/1862469080470757484Chloe too
SHES GRADUATING BECAUSE THEY DIDNT ALLOW HER TO PLAY PATH OF EXILE 2 ON FRIDAY
>>90581354At this point people don't even know if her archives will stay up or she will try to fit in a bunch of collabs at the end as is routine. Probably not. She never liked collabs.
>>90581220chloe took the AMEWAY too
If the hags start leaving after this it's really over, mark my words. Think about it. The young ones who maybe had streaming identities before cover or who have a future where they know they don't have to put up with bullshit will leave first but it'll only truly be over when the hags leave. If the old ones who have been struggling to make content for years and years before cover and finally got a big break and know they don't want to go back to menial labor or office jobs leave then it's all well and truly lost. This is just the beginning but the migration of the hags will truly signal the end times.
>>90581378Creates anticipation. With how rare each stream is, every stream becomes an event and the FOMO kicks into overdrive, resulting in massive turnout for each stream. You make revenue, get love bombed by the streamer and by then you probably have some money saved up for merch. All you need is to be a hit once and you're set
>>90581699Satan, flipping your sixes doesn't fool me.
Remember the Fallen
>>90580846NTA but she did come across like a genuine stalker when she talked about him. It was uncanny.
>>90581560Mito, Ange, Ryushen, she called in to Hoshikawa's totsu a few months ago.
>>90581598What did he say that was wrong? Let's just assume management is literally Hitler because someone disagreed with them?
>>90581707I KNEEL
>>90581683nothing anon is a faggot
>>90581707Just because Cover is going down the shitter doesn't absolve you of your crimes
>>90580583are you implying that schizo femlet needs an actual reason for a meltie?
>>90581707Still you, retard. But you're in good company.
This phase of Hololive felt very similar to another hobby I do not want to relieve. It's the phase where I felt detached to the content and slowly stopped caring and exit. It's like the season 4 of "that", where the fans just died out.
>>90581673shitter azki has a rm following, can you say that about fauna? i wish every en besides mori had an active rm so they can just do everything and shit on corpo
>>90581598This is meant to prove someone wrong
>>90581673Azki was very successful, she wasn't a streamer.
>The three most SOVLFUL singers in EN graduatedIs there some singing lessons clause that they just refuse to budge on? Was Chloe a terrible singer? Is the Sui mandating everyone be at least okay at singing theory real?
>>90581799>but you don't understand, cover HAD to go public or seloutwell, sell it and open a new company, just believe in the talent to leave the fuck out and join back
>>90581887If that's being "extremely close to" them then Sora, Okayu, Marine, Pekora, Korone, Matsuri and Subaru are also "extremely close to" the nijis.
>>90581662that's what I was thinking too, though Ame certainly has more of a behind the scenes staff status they could benefit over fauna's, however I'm certainly talking out of my ass as I'm clueless about Cover in general>t. bored indiefag
>>90581699oh sorry, i meant leviathan - the tenth sub level of suicide.... y-yeah
>>905818692024 has been a disaster for Hololive
>>90581903Saplings are having a woman moment.
>>90581869Jesus. They wiped an entire branch in 2020 and still lost nearly as many this year. That's fuckin bleak
>>90581903yea unironically, lets do that
>>90580092It's actually, unironically over.
Honestly? The old must give way to the new. May the ungrateful whores graduate and more hidden gems be discovered.
>>90579624>>90581780>>90579283Since poster cant fucking translate text I asked chatgptTakayama Akira (@tm_akira0121):"Fauanamu...? What's happening within the group?"Kiho @ MioChannel Gargan Form (@sugar_holo_13):"What does the management think they're doing? Including contract terminations, that's already five people and one this year alone. Do you think we can enjoy the New Year like this? Isn't it time to reconsider the direction?"Sakura Beef (@haganai01):"Hololive, please rethink your management system. I can't take it anymore."
>>90581749I really just do not care for her, she's the biggest dud by far in Justice
>>90581869>slutty fleshtuber redditor>psychopath slut manipulative whore>"improve yourself" bitch>japanese male collaber scared to death of ghosts>we are NOT friends cuntremember the lostand then remember nothing of value was lost
>>90581004it wouldn't work for anyone but gura or moripeople would literally forget kiara existed if she stopped streaming
>>90581599ill see whats so bad about it later. thanks
MY GIRL GURA OUTLASTED FAUNA, LOL.
>>90581683not froot herself but kson's response to the drama
>>90582039Chloe was literally one of the holos that would actively choose to sing live during her concerts.
>>90580583Shondo is the biggest schizo. Pretty sure she's shown her wrists before on stream and there's cut marks all the way up her fucking arm. She's a walking disaster.
>>90580624FWMC might as well be Jap and they been in idol shit and jap work culture since the womb. Kaela is ID. That's all you need to know. All of ID branch is an anomaly.
>>90581822>>90581801ah my bad
I'm worried about Luna and Subaru desu senpai. Luna doesn't have the constitution to do idolshit constantly, and Subaru's health condition might cause her problems too.>>90581799Cover went public because Yagoo had to pay back investors. And he could either sell the company outright, or take it public and retain control. It wasn't a 'choice'.
>>90581833Literally not a single person who people expected to stay has left. Mel was the closest on that front and she was devastated by being fired.
>>90581977The Boys becoming overly woke was already part of the original 3 seasons, they just got more overt about it without realizing that people are over woke shit.
>>90581869The year isn't over, there's still 31 days to go...
>>90581673the truth is because her alt at la prière isn't too successful and gets mogged by aitsuki nakuru regularly
>>90581598isnt hololive a startup? things change but i didnt want Fauna to be affected
>>90582093It's been a series of trades, and there's a month left plus the New Year's stream. HoloGTA was amazing fun. Suisei is going to Japan's biggest stadium. Marine bought 3 music videos. Remember the good times. There are always good times. There will be more. It's entertainment.
>>90581869>31 days left
>>90574751can I get a QRD? i want to be mentally prepared
>>90582039>Is the Sui mandating everyone be at least okay at singing theory real?Holy based. This thread is making me like Suisei more and more.
>>90581598Don't bring reality into this. It's time for outrage.
I blame the Homos>they shit up the perms fax machine>they occupied the studio>they were subsidized by Holomem>they have been begging for a piece in holofes>they have been shitting up the cover's mixers for music and sound stuff>they have been shitting up the twitter pages>they have gotten off scott-free for any of their yabs>they have been getting better management to promote their stuff compared to Holomem>they have easier time doing anything compared to Holomem because management wants them to succeedYeah fuck Homos
>>90582188Oh fuck, KyoAni 2, coming next summer.
>>90581812>Fauna>Never liked collabsRight. Okay. Some of the best collabs are because of her.
>>90580790Look at Korone getting death letters sent to her house, Fauna maybe did that as defense mechanism against ultra schizos
Imagine if another member leaves this month, fuckin DEFCON 1
>>90582248>subaruPlease no...not the duck
>>90581707let me put it this way sisterHololive is Darker Than BlackNijisanji is Browner Than SHITthank you for listening to this older epic /a/ meme
>>90580624>even fucking Kaela which are non stop streams every weekKaela "let's grind all fucking night" Kovalskia was close to burning out when she was in Japan preparing for the ID 3D stuffwhen even your resident grinder is reaching her limits you know the workload JP is forcing upon talents is ridiculous
>>90562666BURN THE TREE! BURN THAT MINECRAFT FUCKER DOWN BEFORE YOU LEAVE!
>>90582248As a Luknight and general enjoyer of my oshi's friends, i fear this the most. I love the duck and I'd be devastated if Luna were to leave (particularly because her other self is nowhere as interesting. I don't know how she even accomplished that)
>>90581658Okay well what makes you think she's gonna commit full time to hololive once she graduates? You still haven't said that.
>>90581662That's what they probably want, but Fauna didn't sign the agreement/contract.
>>90581869One more and we have wiped out another branch.
>>90582469One more declaration would be all out nuclear war, no brakes on this train. Cover will never Recover.
>>90579192>>90579425She's a Seventh Day Adventist.
>>90581598If the talent leaves then that is something management has done wrong, their job is to prevent this I AM HERE FOR THE VTUBER NOT THE FUCKING MANAGERS
>>90581977I remember slowly realizing that american comics have gone out of their way to ruin what anybody loved about them
>>90582348If you're a unicorn you're in for a reality check.If you're a functional human being you're going to be raughing at menhera autists for the next couple months
>>90582394fuck off unicorn shitter YOU ARE A DUMB FUCKING RETARD LEARN TO READ
>>90580092Jesus Christ. I've been wondering why there have been so few regular streams now. It all makes sense.
>>90582562the tree is wool it would burn down during next storm
>>90582394True, the Homos are just the visible part of the rot, probably tons of faggot middle managers and busy bodys shitting on the girls constantly
>>90582394unity is the futureyour oshi VILL collab with a maleand VILL have an orgy on stream
>>90566170This would be a massive loss, since they would also instantly lose all the 'bonus holos' of her random family member cameos. they're practically as present as she is on her channel, and have their own subfans
>>90582188>reconsiderthat's the fun part about going public, you can never go back. your only option is to take it and die.
>>90582394now say it without crying unicuck
>>90582432You mean unwatchable collabs where she was a sweaty gamer and nobody else gave a fuck?
>>90580591nah, Pikmin, LA noire and most of her other playthroughs have been kino
>>90582605And a sephiroth to you too young man.
>>90562666Good news! I can finally ditch my brand account. No longer will I suffer the yolk of tyranny youtube gifted me for my loyalty. Free memberships ahoy! Fuck Susan and Neal.
I don't get why people are so surprised, Cover is just another JP company they're all the same shit. The only "good" thing they've done is allowing their talents to take frequent breaks, but that's it and even that doesn't seem like a good thing given the state of the company at this point
>>90582394>>they have been begging for a piece in holofes?
>>90581673Azki is/was an OL. She was never reliant on that income.
>>90575709Kayfabe-heavy vtubing will take a pretty massive hit, yeah. Everything else will be fine. The culture of vtubing on Twitch evolved in a completely different direction to the point there are people that have started vtubing that didn't even know what Hololive was (including some people that are now talent under Holopro like Ruze). Ironmouse just had a collab with Kai Cenat, which will get a lot more eyes on the medium. So yeah, Vshojo will be fine (though VshojoJP might get hurt since they're going for the idol aesthetic more it seems).
>>90580790Its nothing to do with being scared or protecting herself. She has some kind of reverse NTR fetish and likes cucking her own chat. She's always been a huge degen with severe menhera tendencies and her best friend is queen of the menheras
>>90582394retard-kun, even the homos are being shat on by management too.
I so fucking hate americans and their religious bullshit
Funny how retards here are focusing on Suisei instead of Miko, the real villain of hololive.
>>90582646Well yeah when you're tied up with meetings, approvals, research, dance lessons, vocal lessons, travel, tech issues, and more you're kinda bogged down.
>>90569083Korone is so strong, she's carrying both Hololive and the Sonic franchise.
>>90582240don't forget that kaela and a lot of ID were stuck in japan for months because how incompetent cover is
>>90582632give it to me raw anon, i think i can take the mental damage to my heart.
There will be no fauna talking to past faunas for her anniversary.
>>90582199because kiara is not a good person. even if she's right sometimes, no one likes an annoying narcissist who complains every other stream
>>90581869IT HAS BEEN 1400 DAYS SINCE MANO ALOE "GRADUATED"
>>90582653>the tree is wool it would burn down during next storm>Implying anyone logs in to the server long enough for that to happen besides Fauna
>>90582469I'm expecting someone else to leave between now and March, but I've already predicted that March 2025 going to be the last expo before Hololive spirals out of control
>>90582557Oh god, don't tell me that getting paid to exercise is more exhausting than doing the same shit everyone on this board does for free.
>>90582214Is Gura now the "DSP outlived (x)" meme of vtubing?
>>90580092>>90582646Sooo what are they going to do when talents don't stream and thus nobody cares about merch, collabs and ads anymore? This is putting a cart before the horse or "it's fine if there's a flood after us" kind of short-sighted mentality.Is this the pump-n-dump treatment of JP 'tech companies' by the investors that I heard about?
>>90582846Also Street Fighter
>>90582469And if that member is Gura, it's 10,000% over.
>>90582432>Fauna>Good in collabs.Sure... Honestly I haven't felt any chemistry between EN members until CCGG became a thing. I always EN collabs were awkward as fuck.
>>90582394>How do I deflect the situation to protect Blackrock?
I just woke up to this and Chloes graduating too? is it over?
>>90582394homos are in deeper scrutiny than the girls but they don't quit because they're strongmind chads and not BPD whores
>>90582915Actually though...it sorta fits.
>>90581903If you lose one vtuber, it might just be a problem with that vtuber.When you lose a half dozen of your top talents in a year, you've got management issues.
all according to keikaku
>>90582751>PikminHope she finishes her Pikmin 2 playthrough before she leaves
>>90582769Homos want in on Holofes because they think they should be entitled to is as being HOLOstars.
>>90577539This is starting to remind me of when Vince went full retarded and got scared of anyone getting over without his approval, and would bury anyone who he thought might become famous outside the company. He cared more about the brand than his talent, and it's why WWE went to shit for a decade and opened the door for AEW to exist.Cover needs to realise that probably 70% of their talent base could quit tonight and start a room-mate account and retain enough of their paypigs that after taking into account the lack of paying cover their cut, that their income wouldn't drop much (from streaming at least).
>>90582394It is pretty funny how the homos seemingly get all the competent managers while the girls get the dumb ones who do nothing except work against the girls.
>>90583035anon why did you sleep for 2 days
>>90582394>management to blame, as stated by multiple holos and even some homos>HOMOS DID THISas if anyone needed any more proof that unicucks are the most retarded posters on this board
>>90581707retard. This isnt a comic. There isnt a good company and a bad company. They are both bad. Cover fucking up doesn't negate the sheer insanity that Niji has behind the scenes.
>>90582937Crash, burn, recuperate.REPEAT AD NAUSEAM
>>90582783this would be really funny and personality-wise completely check out but you seem to be the only person in this thread peddling this rrat so I'm less inclined to believe you.
>>90578523It's just too many too quickly. Nothing benign can justify the pace of the last three months, much less the last 48 hours. Even hardcore copium runs dry at some point
>>90583107I ate the whole turkey
>>90582968Not my fault you don't like Fauna's tabletop streams I can't help you with your shit taste.
So /vt/ is finally gonna drop the "ain't no way this woman will drop the easiest job on earth" dance
>>90583042
>>90581707Call me back when Cover attempts to get someone to kill themselves and drags out its own talents to publicly humiliate someone who just survived a suicide attempt.
>>90582767>the good thing they did is let people quit but still milk money out of their fans
>>90562666>Sorry Saplings. I don't think Saplings and I can ever be friends. Now go and sub to Lemonleaf. She will be your friend instead.KINO KINO BRAVO
>>90562666I fucking hate this! Hololive is my hideout. I hate my job and I hate my life. I get treated like shit constantly. Getting to come home to comfy streams makes it so I can go back out there and do it all over again. Fuck management for doing this to us, it's fucking Christmas for God's sake. Something is rotten behind the scenes and it's about to become impossible to ignore. I'm not just going to forget about this, and I know I'm not alone. The Seventh Trumpet has sounded. No going back to the way it all was now.
>>90568259>hoshimachi suisei>hoshimachi suise>hoshimachi suis>hoshimachi sui>hoshimachi s>hoshimach>hoshimac>hoshima>hoshim>hoshi>hosh>hos>ho>h>hu>hum>huma>human>human r>human re>human res>human reso>human resou>human resour>human resourc>human resource>human resourcesI always felt she tipped her hand during that Project Winter stream. Rushia was legit menhera, I have zero doubt Suisei is a legit yandere.
>>90572181What does that have to do with her literally saying "I don't want to go to Japan because every other Japanese girl dresses cute and I won't stand out anymore :((" lmao
>>90583143western fans are one thing, are they not afraid of japs doing another Kyoani for their bullshit?
>>90578523memeing about yagoo is way more fun
>>90582968The chemistry was pretty good back in the days when Gura actually streamed
>>90583231dokibird is albertan she deserved it
I mean maybe im just underreacting but she was in Hololive for over 3 years. She had a solid run. It's not like she was there for a year and then dipped. Sometimes vtubers just graduate and end up in other corpos or go indie. We don't need to panic because a veteran vtuber decided to leave Hololive. Also Fauna was always one of the ones most likely to leave. You should panic when we start losing members like Kiara, Mori, FWMC, Bae, ect. Thats when things are going catastrophic
>>90583039Wish we could see Gura make a Phil style hot mic mistake. Would love to hear her moan and stroking her cock.
>>90582937We'll find out if things keep going like this
>>90582394Magni and vesper leaving were the beginning of the vibe shift. After they left streams felt way less creative and Ame started scaling back her big projects. Things only picked up after the new EN gen was announced
>Actual 7th trumpetI thought this image was just a meme and it would never actually happen...
>>90582557grinding for mats in a video game and preparing for an IRL concert require two entirely different mindsets and skill sets. that's why suisei and mori handle it well while normal human beings suffer.
if this happens again, i won't call him yagoo anymore but tanigo.yagoo is just a legend who brings joy to the world, not tanigo.i don't know what cover actually did, or is this stackholders doing? maybemaybe because a-chan left so there is no bridge between talent and yagoo? idk man
>>90583042The blue whore is ending our dreams
>>90575709No? Streaming's fine. Only a few care about idolshit. With holo dying that opens room for shows to continue to be filled by Ame, Pomu, and Selen. A couple in phase are able to ball. A couple in Niji like Maria are a good fit for an idol unit. There's a number of other indies who are capable and interested it's just been a matter of getting them together to do it. It's been happening for small gigs but holo's collapse will open a vacuum they can walk into after Suisei and Holo proved that it's viable if they just support them>>90575759Zero. vtuber idolshit is the wrong direction from both sides.
>>90582634>>90582669>>90582677>>90582735>>90582817>>90583018>>90583037>>90583110Exactly what >>90583101 says
>>90580092what people are ignoring is the stream revenue has gone up too, it's just not as much dosh as the merch deals bring in. off those percentages, streaming revenue brought 2.62b yen for cover in 2021 - but it brought in 7.52b in 2024, almost 3x as much, and more than they made off everything period in 2021. it's just apparently that's a drop in the bucket vs merchandise. the talents bring in 3x the revenue as only a few years ago and yet apparently getting chloe on a box of granola or something pulls in tons more money than the streaming possibly can. that stupid dodger's game collab probably made them more money than a bunch of the girls' streams do combined etc. of course this is all losing the forest for the trees in reality that none of that merch would be worth a fucking single yen if there wasn't innate recognition of the girls it features, and that recognition is dependent on the girls being likable and happy where they are and not sad and graduating.
>>90583194Its said because people don't want to think there's a chance a talent leaves
>>90583046Wanted to see her do pikmin 3 and 4 someday. Guess not.
>>90583130Nijicucks also seem to be unable to discern general corpo fuckery from actual black company bullshit.If Cover was a black company, Fauna would have to endure the same shit Niji talents have to if they want to abandon the sinking ship.No, Cover is instead turning into a soulless husk.
>>90583035
>>90583294The best thing to come out of this is Fauna might drag Gura into one last collab like Ame did just before the new year
>>90576828she's out thereyou don't unironically oshi the company for fucking nijisanji do you?
>>90583239God, I can't wait for the sapling meltdown/mass suicide after Lemon NTRs them holy shit this is gonna be the best
>>90583043So if you have a bunch of shitters who are way to lazy to work leave because the company wants you to work more that is the company's fault? I really don't care about defending cover, but all the complaints until now have been "We don't agree with the direction hololive is going". Fauna said she had a disagreement with management and now every single member left because they disagreed with management.You people are so retarded.
>>90583270Depends. Japs are always on a teetertotter of pleasing and hating. If they can balance it just right and trick enough into loving the corporation over the individual girls, then they can keep afloat and have positive reception till the end of time.Hell, if you would have asked anyone 6 months ago how they felt about Cover compared to today here, the response would be insanely different.
>>90581903>5 key people quit the company in short succession.>this is normal
>>90583164Its an ancient rrat of an old lost fanbase. Its to be expected not many peddle it. Fauna has had too many rrats for people to keep up one that spawned from her pre-Holo days
>>90581598>management is not wrong, its the livers who are leaving in masses wrong
>>90583475>Depressed crying Gura dragged out of hiatus for Faunaerm I don't want to watch that.....
So, what could cause a /vt/-wide meltdown in the following weeks, close to christmas/new years? I'm morbidly curious now.
>>90583364>UNFAVORABLE COVER SECRETS HAVE BEEN LEAKED AND PROVEN TO BE TRUE
>>90583510I could buy her off him for a jawbreaker
>>90582394BASED
>>90583333Yeah it's fine. She even said she likes the industry she's just done with management. She'll go right to it after graduation.>>90583252Literally nothing's changing for you. You're going to get the same content different day just on a different channel.
>>90583194the 'easiest job in the world' statement was always a meme. every single big streamer ends up taking time off because of how much shit they get thrown at them daily. If you make it big as a streamer or just a youtuber, you'll be put under a microscope every single day by people who fucking hate you. Of course shit is gonna wear on you in the long run
>>90583475>gura announces her graduation on a collab the day before fauna leaves
Everytime you mentioned niji, 1 holo will graduate, no need to thank holofags
>>90583333maybe you should open your slant eyes, she's graduating off the back of someone else having also graduated a day agoand that's on top of the several others who graduated this year
>>90583555>loving the corporation over the individual girlsI seemingly remember company behind Kizuna AI tried that and they ate so much shit that there should be no more takers in the next decade or so.
>>90582937It's already happening. Flow Glow is dead on arrival. No-one is going to care about them.
>>90583599Kronii breaking down on stream about her disagreement with Fauna
>>90583599gura graduationwith senzawa joining vshojo on christmas day
>>90581784yeah for like 20 seconds, almost all by herself
>>90583612Do it then, I'm really only in it to witness the suffering of others
does anyone actually care about graduations at this point? shes just going to stream on her own who gives a shit
welp. holofags, you gotta boycott the merch. stop buying those cheap chinese acrylic standees
Reaper you gotta stop
>>90583088Well yeah the talent's been there for years it just needs organization and a hub for recognition and discovery. That's something anyone can do. Hell, vwhorejo already did it.
>>90583599EN branch getting nuked.
>>90583042Is this a falseflagger deleting his own post or is there seriously some schizo janny stuff happening
>>90583599Gura tapping out. A suicide or a SUIcide depending on whether Miss Hoshi is feeling kind.That's about it.
>>90571980what's the best touhou?
>>90582055This. A company doesn't hold their employees lives as assets if they did other small agencies wouldn't have had their vtubers leave upon being bought by big companies like with idol. Sell company, quit and form a new one with the talents again shrimple as that.
>>90583719okay, I mean this unironically, but who? earlier in the thread or in another one someone referenced a vtuber liking rap or some shit but I never heard about this?
>>90582219how was it forced?
>>90582313>Actually, multiple talents leaving ina short period of time and multiple people expressing their displeasure for the management is a good thing :)
>>90583784True, why don't gura do it?
>>90581599After A-chan left, the quality of the main channel videos immediately took a complete nosedive. No more fun cooking segments or game show stuff with the girls. Now it's all PR, voice pack ads, stealth ads for something, and generally boring stuff. Whoever they assigned to take over those things has to be an out of touch old fart from the TV industry.
>>90581869You forgot Hitomi Chris
>>90583784Saplings will because she will be finally be unfiltered.Sapling shall remember how a woman behaves.
>>90583837I didn't delete shit
>>90581658And I'm sure her mom will regularly have to show up to help her when she fails at taking care of herself.
>>90583758Sounds like the average Ame collab
>>90583703But that was a single talent. Hololive have built a brand on offering multiple talents to watch every night or morning, covering a ton of different bases at the same time. I'm not going to pretend I can predict the future, but Japs are much more likely to swallow corporate bullshit than NA/EU people are.
>>90582901Kiara's not a bad person. She's a terrific person. She's my favorite person... But every once in a while she can be a real CUNT.
>>90583599I don't think I can handle hearing Kronii cry again.
Do you think those retarded corpos and businessmen and shareholders will learn from this? That's all I want. I want them to look at their retarded decisions and their line go up mentality and realize that everything going down in flames was their fault. I'm honestly glad that a lot of girls knew they were worth more than these scum and didn't put up with their bullshit and just left.If even one corpo gets fired and starves because of this I will be happy
>>90583035If Gura graduates then yes it's over
>>90582865How the hell do you get stuck in japan?
>>90583837Gee, based on the history of this board, what could it possibly be????
>>90583837janny warned me for offposting about their fucking religiuon, americans are watching the threads
>>90583760Based miComet changing the direction of hololive for the better
>>90583882because she gets paid by just existing, she is never leaving.
>>90583892That's not A chan fault. That's public company Cover fault.
>>90583784the character is dead and its underlying infrastructure is goneit's like moving character of a fairy tale from one book to another except the only common thing is their manner of speechyes you might still like that other character, but it's not the same
>>90571594>>90571745>>90571889>>90577071KILL YOURSELF
>>90583875No, it's not a good thing. But there ARE good things. There's shit, but there's also nice clean grass. You don't have to ignore the shit, but you can still walk on the clean grass.
>>90571980reject modernity, return to tradition
>>90583599mumei graduation in the cards right now
So how much money did she get in her run?
>>90583892A-chan was the soul of the company and her not being cultivated and promoted ensured its downfall to vultures. I've watched from Sora to now and I knew in my gut it was over when she left, but damn did it blow up fast.
>>90583836>Gura tapping out.That would change nothing. She barely fucking streams. I'm surprised she isn't an "affiliate" yet.
>>90583952no because this won't make the line go down
>>90583917You forgot to forget Hitomi Chris
>>90583924Total sapling holocaust soon, brothers. Let this be a reminder to all the true nature of woman. That of a rattlesnake.
>>90583892Cover apparently hired some former TV execs, so you're likely right.
>>90583557Aqua and Ame quit a very long time ago. Aqua delayed it because she wanted to go out on top and do the streaming 100 days in a row and all that. Ame delayed it because she delays everything. We don't know when Chloe and Fauna quit yet but it seems like Fauna might have quit randomly on a whim since she refused affiliation. Either way, if they quit in quick succession it was a year ago. A-Chan made sure she had a replacement first.
>cover ruined by bean counters and bean flickers
>>90579152Yes they would have done it if Fauna didn't make her surprise announcement.
>>90583333It's the manner of leaving that's the issue. Why the fuck does Cover even exist if they're not going to support the holos. We care about the girls we love not making fucking shareholders rich
Uhm Takodachis? Im scared the reaper isnt satisfied just yet
>>90583952Will they learn? No. They wouldn't be in this position in the first place if they could. They need only look left and see Nijisanji burning before then to know what to avoid.
>>90584043Just get the affiliate contract? More freedom still gaining money
>>90583939>offering multiple talentsI don't think that this is how it works in fan minds.
>>90583863flow glow is holo devis 2 (aka HoloJP gen 10)
>>90579217If this is the reason Senzawa returns, I will find you as the solely responsible.
>>90573650i have 0 faith in them ever since the content drought of 2022
Hitomi Chris is at fault for homos
>>90583673I'm pretty sure Gura leaving would piss alot of people off, including shareholders
>>90583689We know why Chloe graduated though and it has nothing to do with why Fauna graduated. Chloe graduated because she was sick all the time, someone who sleeps a ton, and couldn't handle the work. Laplus explained in detail what happened with Chloe. So it's a bit retarded to claim there's a connection with a JP member graduating and a EN member graduating. Also on another note>and that's on top of several others who graduated this yearHave we ever considered that maybe Cover/hololive was just extremely blessed and managed to avoid graduations for longer than usual due to luck/good timing? Hololive had a uniquely small amount of graduations/terminations and even now it still has a comically small number compared to like every other corpo vtuber agency out there. People are too quick to hit the panic button when these things can just happen.
>>90582876>>90582632hey what the fuck man. I need answers why did you disappear?
We should have been more scared when A-chan left.
>>90583599We're already in the midst of a /vt/ meltdown, friend
>>90583960If Gura graduates it's unironically the beginning.We can finally to tabula rasa and restart like back in 2020.
>>90562666Not so fun being part of a corpo now huh? bitch
>>90584114Even being made affiliate would achieve the same effect. You underestimate her power.
THIS IS ALL NODOKA'S FAULTSHE IS A BLACKROCK SPY
She really threw management under the bus. 101% of the internet seems to be taking her side in the disagreement
>>90584193have they played jamboree yet
>>90583987by them delaying recordings and 'homework' constantly for months. a few members went back to ID for like a few days or so but had to go back again. I remember Kaela saying she just wanted to go home to her pc and stream again
imagine getting bullied by a mikos baby babble lmao. ill beleive this rrat cause its comedy gold
>>90584231It would make me incredible happy to see chumkeks crying.
What if>Kronii and Fauna never had a probkem with each other but were just hiding their relation from management because no internal dating>Management found out>told them to break up or that one of the two should get lost for breaching the policies of the company>Kronii wants to make an album>Fauna sacrifises herself for Kronii's wishes>Fauna graduates (no affiliate possible because it would still count as internal dating since affiliate is in-and-out)>disagreement with management
>>90584188>Support the holos. You mean hololive dev_is and holoEarth?
>>90584293Picrelated never had a second of having fun being alive.
Doesn't like the current direction of hololive?Too bad then.
>>90584231gura's already gone man. all they care about is being able to skinwalk her to sell merch
>>90583952They'll just take whatever money they can get and run, anon.
>>90584221thats when I gave up on hololive especially after the myth offcollab but I've been enjoying them again this year and now it's falling apart
If your oshi doesnt make use of hololive being a super corpo then shes graduating next.IDs are immune.
>>90583752>senzawa/gura>joining Vslutjo
>>90582632>I like this talent>And this one too>They both quitWhat do you do then? You don't need to be parasocial with everyone to not enjoy something anymore because the people that made it enjoyable for you left.
>>90584188Sometimes things go wrong and vtubers/management don't see eye to eye. We have no insider info whatsoever to know what Fauna and management didn't agree on. Literally none. We know basically nothing. It could literally be as simple as "hey can you please come to japan for some 3D stuff" and Fauna not wanting to get on a plane.
people don't quit jobs they quit managers
>>90584098Fauna, graduating? OH NO!Mumei, graduating? OH NO!LET THIS BE A REMINDER! UNICORNS ALWAYS WIN!
>>90583784Fauna's schizo thing is cute when it's constained by Cover...when it's just all out there again, it's no longer cute and just sad.
>>90584208oh those guys. I like niko but afaik the rest are dead. I literally only learned about them by chance
>>90583950considering how things are between her and fauna, that's not gonna happen.
>>90584235Fauna also has health issues. It's one of the reasons why she didn't want to go to Japan, again.
>>90583952They'll cash out as much as possible and repeat the process with another company, and another and another and another
>>90584235>Laplus explained in detail what happened with Chloe.NTA can I have those details?
>>90581268>Toko always says something good about suiseiWhat are you trying to prove here? Nijishits are licking her boots because they're trying to leech from her, no shit she'll keep saying nice things.
>>90584429Shiori...No...
>fauna uploads a video tomorrow titled "SIKE"wwyd
>>90578892aqua had reissues of her hoodie and capbelieve anon, believe
>>90577920
>>90584376I believe it
>>90584293Knowing how much of a fucking retarded schizo Shondo is, I'm pretty sure she said that when Fauna came crawling back to her.I guess Shondo wins here, she got her precious LL back. I'm saying this because she had a massive menhera episode when Fauna joined Holo.
>>90584250In my defense I told my mate A-chan going was the beginning of the death of the Old Guard. I just regret not doomposting about it on here to have proof to back my shit up.
>>90583719What's the issue? Do they just not have chemistry? It took Ao and the rest a while but they're going strong now. I think the group focus is a strong direction for the company and the fans
Hololive is not going to survive 2025. Screencap this.
>>90583784Yes, she's dead to me.
>>90582901stop being racist against Europeans.
>>90583606It hasn't been PROVEN true yet thoughWe're at 5th or 6th right now.
>>90584520knowing kronii she might have her biggest breakdown over Fauna especially since they haven't been talking
>>90584231>Gura leaving would piss alot of people off?????????????????????? WHO?
>>90582311There's always a centre, Nakuru is just better at standing out compared to Azki and can actually do solo things(unlike Natsume, bless her)
>>90562666FAUNERS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU WERE MY FAVORITE IN HOLOCOUNCIL
>>90584096Rich enough
>>90584373>yes, all the holo girls actually have genetic disorders making them sound severely autistic
>>90584569Anon? Toko is Suisei's best friend from when Suisei wasn't even in hololive.
Well, the first thing you've got to realize, brother, is... this right here is the future of vtubing. You can call this the New World Order of Vtubing, brother. These two idols right here came from a great big organization far east. And everybody was wondering who the third idol was. Well who knows more about that organization than me, brother?Well, let me tell you something! I made that organization a monster! I made people rich over there. I made the people that run that organization rich over there, brother. When it all came to pass, the name Gawr Gura, the idol Gawr Gura, got bigger than the whole organization, brother! That's why these two girls here, the so-called Graduates... these are the women I want as my friends. They're the new blood of professional vtubing, brother, and not only are we going to take over the whole vtubing business, with Gawr Gura and the new blood, the monster with me, we will destroy everything in our path, /vt!As far as I'm concerned, all this crap in the chat represents the fans out here. For four years, brother, for four years, I held my head high... I did everything for the charities... I did everything for the kids... and the reception I got when I came out here... you shrimps can stick it, brother, because if it wasn't for Gawr Gura, you people wouldn't be here. If it wasn't for Gawr Gura, Yagoo would be still selling body trackers from a truck in Tokyo and if it wasn't for Gawr Gura, all these Johnny-Come-Lately's that you see out here vtubing, wouldn't be here. I was selling out the world, brother, while they were begging for blue supas to UberEats their Trader Joe's, so the way that it is now, brother, with Gawr Gura and the New World Organization of vtubing, brother, me and the new blood by my side... whatcha gonna do when the New World Organization runs wild on you? Whatcha gonna do?
>>90584406I mean when the day comes and she actually graduates, especially if it's a regular graduation and not an affiliate graduation where they can still profit from her when she's gone
>>90584644>the curse of the 25th
>>90584231Literally who?
Stop talking about gura this isnt about her.Fuck off you pedophiles
>>90583270Part of the reason Kyoani ended up as bad as it did was because of shit fire safety precautions and a spiral staircase
>>90584041Until too many Holos leave and the company flatlines. Then they'll be known as the ones who destroyed everything.
>>90584585why is this out of order
>>90584334Let's hope management doesn't publicly shift the the blame to the talents, Like Niji did with Selen
>>90584582Chloe proves that you could have been a 2 view who even Eileene pitied and still graduate from holo so Shiori isnt safe.
>>90583950Link?
>>90584373I don't believe the rrat for a second, but Miko is a clever motherfucker. I know a snake when I see one.
>>90584376This makes too much sense to be a rrat
>>90580092So you're saying that we should be doing nothing instead of buying merch until we get some answers?
Wow this thread is moving faster compared to Chloe's graduation sticky thread
>>90584235>and couldn't handle the work. LThe work seems to imply a lot of travel to Japan as Bae, Ina, Biboo, Mori, Kiara, FuwaMoco etc. at some point or permanently, tried living in Japan.I continue to insist on my rrat that idolshit demands with travel to Japan requirement, is the reason of Fauna graduating.
>>90584808Kabutomushi
>>90584161They boasted about not hiring hololive fans. Now the people they hired actually turned out to be people that doesn't care about Hololive. Shocking
>>90584373we must defeat the old baby with new baby, it's the only way
>>90584810decent bait
>>90581280who?
>>90584231Gura leaving:>Makes Antis happy>Makes Gura happy because she doesn't need to deal with "evil management" and can do whatever she wants now>Fans will be happy because Gura (theoretically) will feel like being a streamer again and stream consistently as an indie lmfao>Will make Shareholders sad because no moneyMore people would be happy than unhappy if Gura left unironically.
>>90584812is flatline actually a word that people say or is it a cyberpunk thing
>>90584376Meh, there's a much, much simpler rrat involving Kronii and Fauna>Fauna internally announced graduation to her genmates months ago>Kronii is a bad liar and her grief over Fauna's decision would've spilled over had they interacted in public, ruining everything>therefore, they agreed to stonewall each other
>>90584376That "no internal dating" rule was specifically with talents dating management. Talents can fuck other talents all day. Mumei, Fauna, and Kronii could all be having threesomes 24/7 for all Cover cares.
Will Gura stream to collab with her in time
>>90584828Because only the talents can shift the blame to management who have no face or voice to defend themselves in the court of public opinion.
>>90583952If they could learn they wouldn't be doing it. Christ it's been what, 55 years of line goes up disasters at this point?
>>90567264put me in the screencap too
Will you fucks believe me when I say that hololive is a black company now? Are we ready for that? Or are you just going to call me a nijisister? I've been trying to warn you, you haven't even seen the last of it
>>90584813It counts from top left to bottom right, how is it out of order
>>90584448Which is fair enough andf would be plausible in isolation. But this is coming after both Akutan and Chloe have stated management issues also when graduating. It's so fucked
>>90584231Literally waiting for the " I'm an AFFILIATE now" Post/announcement
>>90584908You're on an EN board. Most people here don't understand Chloe let alone watch her nig.
just here to say i was wrong, i doubted, i was skeptical of things that actually were true. i'll eat my vegan crow
>>90584863https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kdBVvpvYKQ
>>90584989NTA but It is. It's medical jargon for the heart stopping with the implication of dead.
>>90578011They're doing better than EN right now so unironically this
>>90584908obviously, chloe a jp bitch and fucking nobody understood her /here/
>>90584970Also fuck shareholders, so that's even more of a reason.
>>90584886https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55YNSumOgIs&t=2s
>>90584957>Hajime>Boobs.
>>90584813The answer is just because that's what it looked like when I zoomed in far enough where you at least tell what they are
>>90584908Nobody here speaks Japanese, nor has anyone watched Sakamata
>>90584098Why? Isn't she still doing uni too?
>>90584349Mori, please. Most of them have only just debuted. They have bright futures ahead of them. THEY DON'T DESERVE THIS PLEASE I BEG YOU PLEASE GOD NO LEAVE THEM ALONE
>>90584244An individual has a FOY-BEND and that FOY-BEND has a name you're gonna be hearing constantly and in the most unexpected places, to say the very least. One person is going to beat you over the head with the existence of the FOY-BEND and come just short of telling you how much one person hates you for liking them.
>>90562666Don't forget to give money to the vtuber doxx site so they can stay afloat (as their owner is about to get kicked out of his house) so you can find out what really happened to her! He has the inside information, PROMISE!
>>90579049G R I M
>>90584520What's going on between kronii and fauna? I haven't been keeping up.
>>90584231OH NO. Chumkeks would go from having 1 stream a year to 0.
>>90584734And Suisei joined Hololive before Toko even existed. Why did she join enemy's camp if she's truly Suisei's friend?
>>90585121>Management not taking care of hololive talentsGee I wonder who they are taking good care of
>>90584921I mean Bae, Ina, and FWMC living in Japan is like a dream for them. They're all massive weebs who love Japan and its culture. Mori was living in Japan pre Hololive. Its not like they were forced to move to Japan. Its more like they moved there because they want to be japanese
>>90584970>Will make Shareholders sad because no moneyDepends on if they force Gura into an affiliate graduation before they let her leave
>>90584244With how pissy the meidos are I'm not gonna chance it and burn the weekend
You can have my gondola Kronini
>>90562666an i finally be free of this suffering?
>>90582394based
>>90584096just pulling numbers out of my ass, assuming she netted $200k each year for 3 years, then she could just dump it all into high yielding REITs (which can yield a 15-20% return annually), so with $600k invested, she would be earning over $100k per year passive income. that would allow her to do whatever she wants with her life and not sweat about money. assuming she's in her mid to late 20s, she's got another 40ish years left to live, so, with inflation, that $100k per year might not keep up with the cost of living, but she has another 40 years to sort that out.
>>90584644It won't outright die in 2025. It'll still be "alive", but in the same way Jesus Jones is "still alive".
>>90584723Pictured: Sakura Miko after pushing out the undesireableshttps://youtu.be/6KUVOW6aR2Y?t=40
>>90585194Damn, how come the doxx sites seem to hate Hologirls so much?
>>90584334Honestly this is Selen's victory. She singlehandedly rammed the gate down
What will happen first. Kronii graduating or Kronii lengthening her neck?
>tfw suisei has been my oshi for nearly half a decade>she's finally systematically removing all the roasties and menheras out of hololive>she bibidibabadiboowa's mikochi's tight pussy every nightI am no longer capable of doing anything other than kneeling to the Queen. Long live SUIGOD
Why would this rrat ever get me to hate micomet if it means we get more out of them and shape everyone to be something similar? Les Idoles Terrible
Laugh at Nijisanji, karma hits back at Hololive fans now. My side.
>>90585189fuck. i guess curiosity killed the cat.i shouldn't have asked. I feel like my heart sank just from reading about it.
>>90585037>It counts from top left to bottom right, how is it out of orderThe Savage state is meant to be first, not fourthIt's the "pure" beginnings of an empirePastoral state is when things start to become more pronouncedConsummation is full-power empireDestruction is The Endand Desolation is just what's left>>90585177weird
Black company strikes again.
>>90585275Are you getting your timelines mixed up? Toko debuted at least 2 months before Suisei got hired, and also back in 2019 there wasn't this holo vs niji console war, not to this degree at least.
>>90574254KILL YOURSELF
>>90583653It not the same at all. We'll never get the same collabs ever again. She won't be playing the same character or using the same model. I just wanted things to stay the way they were. I'm worried that what she's like when she comes back won't be like what we just lost.
>>90584437Fauna isn't leaving though? She's still going to be streaming after graduation. You can name the other talent by the way.
End of an era...
Jesus christ. /xhlgg/ will be the most powerful general on the board at this rate
>>90585131>>90585309>>90584970And if they make her do the Affiliate meme then there will literally be like 0 people sad about Gura leaving.I don't think anyone in Holo has any attachment to her.Kiara would be sad I feel, but I think she's be more sad about the concept of>Myth falling apartthan>Gura leavingspecifically.
>>90585445back to /jp/ shitter
>>90574254LOVE YOURSELF
>>90584989It's referring to an EKG heart monitor. When someone dies, it's "flatlining".
>>90585367They made 200k every quarter.
>>90562666Good luck! Can't to watch you on the other side!
>>90582394honestly being in homolive would be comfy as fuck
>>90576020i beleive in peko desu
>>90562666lmaooooo
>>90585184if it's 8 people they had to play one of the other modes right?m-maybe they're safe if they don't actually play a real board
>>90585260here's a kinda schizo-ish post about it but it's also mostly right >>87134917Kronii barely acknowledges fauna, hasn't mentioned her in her streams for over a year and when they are in group collabs together they don't talk or interact, when they do it's mostly just a word or maybe a laugh but never an actual sentence much less a conversation with each other.
>>90584293shondo would never say this :(
>>90585472A person has literally done watchalongs with a FOY-BEND present for the watchalong on stream, voice and all. A person was showing 1% of a person's power level by simply stating firmly "we aren't friends".
To the parrot & and all the other Saplings I can only offer hope & condolences
>>90585194Go away Dramafag
>>90580092In absolute number streaming revenue rose in 2021-2023 and stayed around the same in 2024. It's just that merch, esp TCG shit and collab merch got REALLY big.
>>90585292Why is it my or their fault that cock is stronger than vaginaBe born better
>>90585345No, Holo will bring a new generation
>>90585009least delusional yuritranny unicorn
If shiori or polka graduate I will kill myself on live tv
>>90585445>Suisei is your oshi>Liking Micomet good way to out yourself.
>>90584618>I'm saying this because she had a massive menhera episode when Fauna joined Holo.You're saying this as if that creature needs a reason for a meltie.
>>90585713She's a schizo she probably said worse when Fauna got into Hololive.
>>90585592Lemonleaf's sub count has tripled to nearly 100K since the announcement.
>>90585791nigga do you actually watch poruka
>>90584618I bet LL is going to fly right over there and smooch that smug hate hole shut right on top of the 20k shumos
>>90585744Put me in the compilation Parrot. Do it. I feel sorry for your loss
I will miss her minecraft stream and comfy voice. Please redirect me to her alts if she debut as an indie thank you anon.
>>90585184Take the IDs if you have to take someone, Mori, but don't touch your fellow ENs, I beg of thee!
Ive never seen this board 180 on beloved chuuba(s) so fast KEK
Will Fauna join Vshojo?
>>90585820Nah the LL breakdown was something else kek.
>>90562666two more weeks sis!
>>90585943who nigga
Just noticed in the announcement it says fan mail submission ends on her graduation day. Why so early? Don't we usually get some extra time?
>>90585592None of the three I watch have left, and the one that I chilled a lot on hasn't either. I'm just saying that if you lose your core focus, the one that gives you the most entertainment, why would you stick around and buy merch?
>>90585776are you retarded anon? Did you seem to think I actually think that's happening? Because it was clearly an exaggeration to make a point. Would it make your cuck fetish happy if I said a Homofag was smashing Fauna instead?
>>90585791Shiori has nowhere to return. Eilene and Comdost would destroy her.
>>90585791No-one watches television anymore so that's a pretty meaningless statement. You'd be better off just doing reruns of Polka Densetsu so I can have something fun to watch since I don't trust Hololive to keep her channel up.
>>90585761but will they be as good as Fauna
>>90585189Speak ENGLISH
Wait, I'm so confused.Is miComet the bully of hololive the whole time?
Can we all agree that Council shouldn't have happened
>>90585136>oppaichoI like it, personally. Pic not related
>>90585872your life will improve drastically once you watch the clown do stupid shit every thursday
>>90585744What do you get when you cross a lonely loser with an oshi who secretly hates parasocials and gachikoi and wants to treat them like trash?You get what you fuckin' deserve.
>>90585951nah she's joining Dokilive with the other former holos and nijis
>>90585951Socks Agency
>>90585989public company shareholders decided this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA
>>90574350You forgot>New management actively bullies old members out in order to make room for more of their own picksIt's exactly the same as SCOTUS.
>>90585926Literally 4 posts above yours, anon...
Do you think she'll open up more about it after she leaves or is this going to be all we'll hear about
>>90586005>Would it make your cuck fetish happy if I said a Homofag was smashing Fauna instead?absolutely
>>90585989she doesnt want your shit
>>90584640Market saturation. Even within Hololive JP only they're competing for interest against 38 existing talents. Add HoloEN and that becomes 54. With ID it's 63.
>>90584736>Corpos with good talent burning down left and right or suffering >Quality loose indies all over the place2025's the time for the gamers to rise up and organize.
Brown feet must be devastated. How is he gone get his humiliation fetish if he can't post about fauna anymore
>>90586049Favorite children taking up the parents time so much the rest of the children aren't being taken care of.
>>90586101I'm going to laugh when they see what bitch is actually like.I can't saplings, keep me updated.
>>90585985micomet / fubuki
>>90585189I saw photos and he honestly deserved better.
>>90586034Nobody knows
>ame shows that you can be successful after leaving hololive>holos follow her example and retirefuck you ame...
https://rule34video.com/video/3606150/fauna-s-special-request/
>>90586222lmao why what did they do
>>90586049They didn't bully anyone directly but they're Cover's golden children.
>>90580790>>90582433Total, absolute anonymity is your best protection as a female online celebrity, especially as a vtuber, a role that has the luxury of being able to use an avatar and not disclose any personal information beyond what your voice sounds like and whatever you choose to share.If you sign with a trustworthy corp (or stay indie) and practice good opsec, you can be as much of a gachikoi bait as you want and no tangible risk of harm will come to you. The problem is that basically every semi-famous vtuber has an RM/past life, a way to "get at" them outside of Holo. I guess it's a hiring requirement at this point but it should really be the opposite if talent safety is a genuine concern.
>>90584376And candy grows on trees next to a river of sodapop, and we can all talk to animals, but only beavers can talk back during a full moon! Thats how delusional you sound.
>>90586081ewwwnot touching any dookie content with a ten foot poleif a hot chinese girl forms a clique against you its because youre a fat loser
>>90585697Last i remember directly talking to each other is Kronii wanting to be choked and Fauna volunteering for choker
>>90585697Kronii visited faunamart in enreco and they had a bit of an interaction which was decidedly more happy than it was bitter. If I'm shooting from the hip, I'm infinitely more likely to believe that they're having some sort of relationship and they both agree that they're too awkward to stream together while going out. I don't know why this is such a far-fetched rrat for most people. Both are very thinly veiled gay and bi women respectively and gays aren't exactly known for celibacy.
>>90585951Fauna hasn't earned the right to join VShojo. Not even one comment about how many dicks she can fit up her ass, or the smell of her menstrual blood or anything like that. Fucking prude.
>>90586101oh fug
>>90586116>their own picksDo they dick them too in auditions?>>90586221From my cursory inspection, she was never crass in a brainfried twitch whore way, which is my main concern.
>>90581658Her mom might make her move in with her when she sees how bad her daughter is at taking care of herself.
>>90585951if she wants to. otherwise no. why do you care?
>>90584376this is the most retarded thing i've ever read here
>>90586126oh thank you anon didn't notice
>>90586273*Aqua
>>90586234i thought there was no face pictures? but vegans age at lightspeed in any case, I guess
>>90586101THEY ARE IN FOR THE RUDEST OF AWAKENINGSINITIAL D, HUH? FUNNY. IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE ALL OF THEM RACING TO HER PAST LIFE ARE GOING TO DO THE EQUIVALENT OF DRIFTING THEIR CAR INTO A JERSEY BARRIER! HAHA!
You want schizophrenia? I'll give you schizophrenia.Not taking the affiliate deal means no non-complete clause.Fauna is joining Nijisanji.
>>90586298They didn't do shit, but somehow, saplings, being retarded as ever, believe that they're responsible for the graduation of a literal who in Hololive. Why? I don't know, they don't like green? Ask them.
>>90585951She's joining VAllure (great news)
>>90586357>chasing ghosts from 4 years agoretard
>>90586116someone seems mad SCOTUS is conservative
maybe a retarded question but what is "homework" for the girls? i assume its paperwork, maybe permissions request but what does it actually mean?
>>90585617anon... every single holo will be xhlgg at some point
>>90583952They'll learn that Suisei needs more sololives next year
>>90585345She's going to continue streaming after graduation you're on the ride forever.
>>90586489lol
>>90586485everyone keeps saying this, are there any clips of her old personality or anything like that? the videos on her channel all seem totally innocuous
>>90577883KILL YOURSELF
>>90586561The game was rigged from the start
>>90586333NIJISEETHE
I think people should be very worried that Fauna did not take the taxidermy offer.She would rather not get the "passive income" than let Cover still get money out of her.
>>90584644>Hololive is not going to survive 2025Before that holostars will be shut down due to not meeting investors expectations, isn't this what you guys wanted? LOL
The orc was right
Just believe me when I say you haven't even seen scorched earth yet. When lemonleaf comes back she will spill HARD. 2025 will not be a good year for hololive. We're entering the age of the indie, hololive will be looked back upon in the same way we look back upon machinima
>>90586556The extra shit you have to do outside streaming. Meetings, merchandise signing, dance lessons, singing lessons, corpo mandated shit.
>>90586541Nah, just speaking the truth.
>>90585472Get therapy for your unicorn issues man. She's not your wife. She's a middle-aged entertainer that plays a character on the computer monitor.
Do you still trust your friend, anons?
>>90586746Not since A-chan left.
>>90586600he probably meant unicornsand even then, anything and everything you can find is very normal and mild
I will forever trust Hololive as long as Gura is still there.
>>90586341their last interaction was in 7D2D when kronii wasn't in voice chat due to being sick and fauna gave her a medkit or something and Kronii said bless. That was like the only interaction they had during that whole arc. Don't even get me started on that fucking crab game collab where fauna arrives at the top in one of the stages, sees a person up there, sees it's kronii and backs away and goes to the other corner. Tons of shit like that happened in all these various group collab where both of them were a part of.
>>90586746Sorry friend... Muri da...
>>90586556It's a catchall non-revealing term for anything behind the scenes that they need to do as part of their responsibilities as an employee of Cover. Could be dance training, vocal training, permissions shit, other logistics shit, merch related background voice, recording for voice packs, whatever.
>>90586825Anon...
Karma Karma Karma Karma Karma Chameleon~
>>90583952>I want them to look at their retarded decisions and their line go up mentality and realize that everything going down in flames was their faultI mean, the investors got the bag AND got out in time. From their point of view, everything went PERFECTLY. What's there to learn?
>>90586746nah
>>90586705Always was.
>>90586509>a literal who in Hololiveexcuse me?
>>90586746>Is making Hololive more idolcore>All whores leaving.Am I supposed to hate her? I fucking KNEEEEEEL!
Is it normal to look at fauna and have your balls feel heavier??
>>90584293this is dumb considering we all know Shondo is gonna be all over Fauna's ass the second she goes indie
>>90586556a metric ton of shit after Coco and Taiwan yab the paperwork increased exponentially, you need permission for every little fucking thingmultiple holomems talked about this
>>90586746At this point I'm waiting to see if they'll actually clean up management or if they'll sweep everything under the rug and pretend everything is fine until the next graduation happens
>>90586876if karma was real then this grifter would`ve died a long time ago
>>90586746Not at all.
So this is why Fauna was reluctant to go back to Japan, and didn't show up to BD in NYC since Suisei was there.Fauna left because of some behind the scenes shit going on, this is really messed up
>>90586298MiComet are at the center of a clique that's responsible for the recent exodus of talent, and Fubuki's not upholding her promise call out the black company tendencies creeping up on Cover.
>>90586746chances she forgot she ever said this?
>>90586746No. This last triple volley was too much
>>90586924fuck back off to /jp/
>>90586746empty words
Having endured Sana's graduation, all the other graduation tweets afterwards with the supportive tweets below like>stay strong saplings!!feels cringe to me nowlike bitch, she's gonna stream again as an indie anyway
Goddamn, Fauna's schizos are something else
Why is everyone warning about her being a "gigaschizo" in her PL? What would she do besides bring up her boyfriend?
>>90585713>>90584293>>90586941She's not going to say it TO her but I bet she literally screamed it out loud in her room when she saw the news. Then cackled.
da wose on the Hololive Talent Ceres Fauna is Graduating on January 3rd, 2025 Thread ~ !
>>90586746No. Fubuki is a shill. Though we should take her at her word that Hololive is fucked once she leaves since she's gonna be the last canary in that coal mine.
>>90585584Model's small in the grand scheme of things unless it's really bad like Sana's. Instead of being a negging bitch you need to look for things to be positive about with the streaming freedom she's about to get and the new collabs with new (old) friends. If you're just looking for petty shit to be a pissy bitch over you're going to have to live with scoring that goal.
Yeah yeah cool, whatever, when the fuck is the shark gonna graduate?
>>90586746If MiComet are the Hololive version of the WCW NWO then Fubuki's going to be revealed as the Hogan
>>90586924you retards keep forgetting Aqua lol
>>90586999checked and confirmed holy fuck i hate lesbians so much
Dooby, and Lemonleaf collab when?
>>90586381>116No, that happens after the selections are made. It's much harder to back out then.
geez, it's almost like JP companies are bad for english speakers or something?
>>90582780yeah no shit. my point is most people aren't going to tolerate being a part timer trying to do a musical breakout for 6 years with minimal impact & money.
>>90586999im gonna give you your (you) before you get deleted
>>90579927i wasn't even talking about them glazing her up, just saying perfectly normal things about her. usually when we know there's not much good to say about a holo they keep it vague when commenting. if what the original anon said about her being a toxic asshole who no one wants around were true then they wouldn't bring her up whenever possible.
>>90587148Fubuki is gonna write the N word...
>>90587126I hope she goes indie again soon so I can watch her again
>>90587076Fuck off from Hololive, you normalfaggot. You are a disease you should have never have entered this hobby in the first place.
>>90586746Friend is compromised.
>>90586341>>90585697>>90586833Was there any credence to them fucking or is this just rrats having their yuri goggles surgically fused to their eyes
>>90587105nothing, that's it
>>90586999WOW
>>90586970>convincingly pretending to have a debilitating illness preventing you from leaving your home for over 4 years and never making a mistakehow is mousey so talented?!?!
All the lazy ones are self-deporting, what's the problem?
>>90587183English companies haven't been good for English speakers either...
>>90587169No more dooby collabs, please god
>>90585495>weirdYea. It was basically impossible to see at regular scale, even that is over 300% zoom already at 1440.
>>90587230based
Why did she do it?
>>90586999Do you retards even read what you post?
>>90586999>miko is a jew confirmedholy shit
>>90587183bad for lazy people, retard workaholic mori seems to be ok with it
>>90586944Not with Taiwan. It all started with the Capcom copystrike apocalypse.https://files.catbox.moe/v3gzav.mp4
>>90586999>they think MiComet cares about EN
She's next.Deep down, you know it.
the new lemonleaf/shondo content will go hard
>>90587136A lot of people are going to be in for a very rude awakening if she pivots back to how she used to do things.
>>90587334cockroach
>>90586999THE NEW DEI INITIATIVE IS EVERY HOLO WHO HAS A BOYFRIEND SHALL BE REMOVED AND LEAVE ONLY LESBIANS IN THE BRANCH
everyone who didn't participate in hologta will be getting the death penalty
>>90586532>complaining about bringing up stuff that is years oldThat's rich, considering the Ironlung stream you tards always bring up was 2 years ago.
>>90587360Suisei. Miko is just fat retardchama.
>>90586999Bullying each other? in my (former) female-talent-based-company?Nah this would never happen, girls are so nice with each other
>>90586951It's a Japanese company anon, they're not gonna clean shit up.
I saw the writing on the wall when Aqua gave similar reasons and I was dismissed as doomposting and trolling.Fuck you. Something is wrong with the company and if you guys don't start complaining louder it's only going to get worse.
>>90587234a vegan leaf and a dyke leaf, who the fuck knows, its possible I say
>>90587183It was literally completely fine until they went public
>>90586999I would fucking die laughing if this was somehow ever proven to be true. It would destroy all ties between the west and Japan when it comes to vtubing.
>>90587413NOT SO FAST
>>90583599a heavily intoxicated LemonLeaf starts a guerilla stream on Christmas, then proceeds to go on a drunken tirade about everything wrong, who she doesn't like, and spills tons of secrets
>>90576315Eiki...
>>90587430Wait what the fuck? Based DEI?
YOOO imagine dooby, lemonleaf, dokibird and filian linking up. My doors are literally unhinging on their own.
>>90587413They know she can just keep on doing 1 stream a year and no one will care (that much)No reason to rock the boat
>>90587413she's too big to fail, it's like mickey mouse retiring from disney
>>90587413she's already gone it's just not official yet
>>90587373fuck off dmitri>>90587497yeah pretty much this
>>90587317Fine. More dooky collabs then.
>>90587422It's not like they're an audience anyone wants anyway
>>90586581just let me die then please
>>90587544chances the n word is used?
>>90587234In 2023 Kronii flew over to visit Fauna on her actual IRL birthday. That's when they did that ASMR together. Fauna talked about how she really needed it during that time.That's the basis for it.
>>90586683It just means she got fired, rather than resigning. No idea why people are so blind to this.
>>90587417>CC goes from Barbies to Hololive>Immediately Fauna goes from Hololive to potential BarbieLaw of Equivalent Exchange of Green Women
>>90587409>vtards keep blaming china when it was still japan who started the downfall long agoreminder that xi wins by doing nothing.
>>90587297She had her bf watch her get blacked live in front of 200k people, I`m sure pretending to be sick is nothing to her
>>90587430Wait, this is the pattern after all?
>>90586683But why though? Holo already use pro dancers to mocap and the girls are just providing the voice so it has nothing to do with muh 'pride as a performer' or anything like that, might as well let them use her corpse for free money. Does she hate Cover that much?
>>90587523>a heavily intoxicated LemonLeaf starts a guerilla stream on Christmas, then proceeds to go on a drunken tirade about everything wrong, who she doesn't like, and spills tons of secretsbased!
ERB WHAT THE FUCK
>>90587430Miko is married tho
>>90587413Gura easily has the most favorable contract of any talent in company, JP and EN. She's getting paid to do literally nothing at this point.
>>90587491this, also chloe literally just the other day also citing some vague "direction" shit. which we can be fairly sure now has not much to do with idols or homocollabs etc. we just don't know what it actually-is.
>>90587612wtf is that modelI hate fleshcreatures so much
>>90587662?
>>90587234Kronii loved trying to make Fauna laugh during their bread & fred collab, and Fauna was genuinely enjoying her company by playing along and further inviting her. If you've ever tried to woo a girl, this rrat is self-evident based on that stream alone.
>>90585697>Kronii's a menhera asshole>Why does someone who has an even more unfiltered experience only do the minimums
>>90586999>Miko and Suisei teaming up to bully the EN members into quitting.Ok but why does this sound so hot? Do you think raping was involved?
>>90587612that a kai cenat 3d avatar or some shit?kinda cute if so granted recent events
>>90587413gura just want you to forget about her so she can finally graduate
>>90587606
>Just now realized because its a graduation that her nendo's getting cancelled>You cannot have all of Promise. You cannot have all of Council.
>>90583599This is pretty big, but it'll chill out after a few days. If another big CCV on the EN side was lost somehow before the end of the year, this place would explode. Or if someone, anyone got fired a la Mel.
>>90587432honestly this is probably the best indicator of girls in the company with low morale
>>90562666Holy shit I just heard the news from /v/. That's crazy.I quit Hololive and vtubers in general in 2022 cause the tempiss fiasco made me disillusioned and soured the entire experience for me but I was fond of Fauna. Not fond enough for her to be able to keep me in after Gura's disappearance and Ame's... whatever but she was the only one I liked other than these 2.Sorry to the big saplings that have stuck around all this time.
>>90586999So Suisei a diva and an arrogant bitch. Why am I not being surprised?
>>90581248KILL YOURSELF
will gura or mumei go first? Ina will be third, in any case
>Disagreement with management>Miko and Suisei are part of managementIt all makes so much sense now
>>90587766Yeah she had someone make it in 2 weeks and had him use it when she came on his subathon
>>90586999>called it 2 days agoummm copebros, our response?
What makes you guys think the "affiliate" route is available to just about anyone?It never happened before Ame.
>>90587668Jannies remove this nigger so we can get confirmation of this statement
>>90562666Total holotard, corposlop and etc etc DEATH
>>90587409the holocaust caused game perms paperwork yesthe taiwan caused talking perms paperwork
>>90577920That nothing lasts forever and that jews will ruin everything.
>>90587750>>90587599seems just more like autistic girls being autistic and trying to make the other feel better rather than fucking but could be I guess
>>90587865neither, it'll be shion first
>>90587856This. Those who don't "Go along to get along" are now on the chopping block. Female ethics 101.
>>90586999In this thread: a janitor learns about the Streisand Effect
are any ceres fauna streams worth watching? never really checked her out
>>90587153Aqua is a JP bitch and nobody watched her lol
I want just ONE ex-hololive to spill the beans and go nuclear about what actually goes on behind the scenes, just every detail thats fucked up.With this many members the odds are pretty good honestly and it would totally be one of the EN ones.
>>90586999DAGA KOTOAERU!
>>90587668Miko is married to her girlfriend Suisei, yes. They went to Singapore last year for their honeymoon
>>90588145Based.
https://x.com/tanigox/status/1863063915955109935Lots of shitting on Yagoo in these tweets.UH OH
Janitor, stop deleting the retarded rrats, you are only making them more believable.
>>90586273>Nina>Selen>PomuYou're welcome
>>90588053suityan owns the jannies
>>90587409Oh cool, it's one of those videos where I have to molest the seek bar and play button for 15 minutes in order to read everything
You guys can believe this or not, but all I'll say is that a collab with this man was at the center of fauna's decision to leave
>>90588135Cover is still too powerful. This is not like nijisanji
>>90587230fuck back off to /jp/ i won't say it again shitter
>>90575709yeah bro atari collapsing will destroy gaming bro.
So are all of these EN girls relocating to Japan getting kasutingu coughed by Motoaki Tanigostein to secure their loyalty?
>>90588135You're not gonna see that unless Kiara graduates
>>90583599A former graduated hololive talent decides to leak shit about their experiences with hololive management, only question is who would be the most likely to do it
She won
>>90588242She knew it was possible when jerma came back with yet another mystery illness on top of his boneitis
>>90588145i'll be completely honest this shit is hilarious but reposting it is not making it more believable.
>>90588247Shut the fuck up, you retarded nigger.
>>90579927she literally shouted out a random tetris vtuber and talked to them saying congrats on 20k, wtf are you talking about
>>90588135Are you going to be the one to fund her legal fees if it goes to court and Cover sues them for breaking NDA?
>>90588070a few recent ones that come to mind:>april fools 2024derivative but different and objectively good>euro truck sim debut rewatchgenuinely creative and funny>pikmenslapstick funny
>>90588182That's the idea>>90588273No, suisei is the one doing the casting
okakoro is nextdon't doubt, just screencap and move on
>>90588242I don't know enough Fauna lore to get this reference.
>>90588179All nijifalseflaggers. Holodrones will never stop licking YAGOD's boots
>>90586380Surely Mumei has been investing stably so she can afford a cute live-in maid to cook and clean right? Right??
>>90588242>redditlionlol
>>90588053this. the whole "micomet bad" rrat would have been seen as just another mindless schizo if jannies hadn't baleeted it.
>>90588135since nobody has I assume it's just a nothingburger that's normal in japan but fairly weird in the usa like 9-10 hour workdays
>>90588380her oshi was northernlion, the guy in the picture
Can I get a QRD of how many Holos are inactive or MIA? I know Ayame, Shion and Chamers were out for a long time but now they're back at least semi active. Iroha is on medical break, Ina is in limbo and Gura is dead. Who else hasn't stream for 3 weeks or more?
>>90587234I have never met a non bisexual vegan (man or woman) and kronii is an ultradyke so it's possible
It's funny when the schizo said Miko is fat when we already know that Miko's roommate is skinny, schizos need to come up with better rrat
>>90588434it was posted on twitter hours ago by jp antis so it doesn't matter.
>>90587889>let a troon manage EN>didn't pay their contractors>keep dead IP to continue making money off of them long after the talent is gone>let DEI infect the entire company>gen 1 is the shadow management>cover shills accuse anycolor of doing the thing they were doing all alonghmmmm
>>90588461Is he notable for something? Like is it weird for her to like him?
>holoEN graduation>only 1000 postsWasn't Fauna popular?
>>90588399Yeah, totally.
>>90588380the guy who fauna goons to
>>90588500Mumei has been extremely radio silent recently
>>90586683Why would people be worried that after being fed up with their bullshit for 3 years she doesn't want to have to deal with it more?
>>90588500nigga go look it up yourself lazy bitch
Does Marine still have a place in Hololive if we assume this Idol push rrat is going to play out?
>>90588351>/vt/ graduations rival /pol/ on election daycartoon puppets are serious business
>>90588575he's probably the most normal streamer
>>90587747ERB doxxed Fauna live just now
>>90588179Is he aware of the management fuckery?
aint yall gonna post "THAT" already??
>>90588500isn't Mumei MIA for a while now?
fauna was the only one who felt like an oldfag 2008-2012 streamerother than that semi retired sharkame to a certain extent but ame's streams bored me to tearseveryone else in EN are just samey otakus or girlfailure archetype and the ones that aren't are either semi gone (gura) or MIA (moom)Wonder whos gonna scratch that itch now.. at least in hololive...
>>90588296Maybe Faunas herself? Definitely anonymous though, but I do see her being the logical one to do it
>>90587409Out of everything that was removed/privated/whatever..What percentage of it came back?
WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING
>>90588575>>90588420
>>90587911>2 weeksironmouse productions is a black company
>>90588575No he's one of the most popular streamers that's still tolerable to most and not some fucked up nigger and/or zoomer.
>>90588434The most asshurt pekomikofag rrat of all time actually being believed is proof that this thread average IQ is 10.You fuckers would love 5ch rrats if all you're looking for is "SUISEI BAD MIKO BAD MICOMET BAD"
>>90586746Friend will be my Friend until the end of time. Even when Holo is ashes I will stand by Friend
>>90588533American fat and Japanese fat aren't the same beast. You're used to fighting gravitational pull which has distorted your understanding of what fat is.
>>90588461Like, her actual oshi? Not even a partner/relationship?Damn, Fauna has some shit fucking taste in streamers
>>90587314>ignores massive Phase Incline
>>90588606Gura has been death silence for a while now
>>90588785phase is full of crazy womenthey will destroy themselves sooner or later
I hope northernlion dies and leaves his daughter and wife behind solely so you faggots stop bringing him up here
Is this really that big of a dead?
suicopath wasn't just a funny title
>>90588722learn english
I'm gonna borrow my mom's cricut and make a bootleg MILF hat.
>>90587863It's niji staff shitstirring. Look at how retarded that and you are.
>>90588785>Chinese CanadianNeither of those are a good look. Sakana is luck shitting his way through this.
>>90588785genuinely who?
>>90588657>>90588657Fuck off ERB, I'm not gonna watch your streams
>>90588785Phase is speed running down the exact same path Cover has been with the meme Idol shit that takes hours away from streaming and overworks the talents.
>>90588575He's kind of a meme for making daily content about Isaac for like a literal decade. He's pure unadulterated reddit tho and the most normal guy among successful streamers.
>>90588888?
>>90588671>samey otakus or girlfailure archetypeyou are a normalfag or a person that grew out of his toys that don't really belong in this subculture anymore. Despite popular opinion, this can only ever be good for you.
>>90588584retard-kun..
>>90588671Do you watch Shiori? she's an og dude.
>>90588575the best zatsu streamer the world has ever seen marine herself wishes she could be half as good as him
>>90588785They've been stagnant for a while now
>>90588911well, they are still graduating and you can't stop it. Who's the dumbass here?
>>90588650There was 40k people just waiting for the stream. I think it hit 130k
>>90562666Hope she burns down that fucking tree in her graduation stream
>>90589087Double retard newfag kun....
>>90589171cope more nijisister holokeker nigger goy idolfaggot dookiesister vcoomer stupid fuck phase is the new golden standard
>>90588650better than /pol/shit unironically
>>90589185>You're retarded>HMMMM STILL GRADUATING!!!!You want to talk about your graduations, nijinigger? Did you think this was enough to make us forget?
>>90589309would be funnyshe was even just talking about burning it down a few weeks ago too
>>90589340lol
the only og worth watching
>>90589327Triple retard newfag kun....
>>90589423It's because Shiori asked her if she would and followed up with 'You can renew it in 2025!'.
Suisei and Norio-Sensei would like to remind you STOP blaming management for every little bad thing that happens.
>>90589340i probably have more posts in /pcg/ than you but ok
>>90588722It's ogey 53cukc, it will soon be your turn...
>>90582010https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkBMAHUkibY
>>90589495watch lime
if you're oshi gradulated recently then she's confirmed in a relationship with a guy.
>>90588735But Miko's roommate is like skinny skinny, no fat and almost skeleton-like
>>90589495You think any of them ever thought about his melpert.
>>90576020Pekora LITERALLY, almost called chloe and aqua retarded for graduating. The numbers rabbit has taken the corpo, noel, and fubuki's side on things. And not just in a passive way, like she actually asked "Why tf would you leave?"
>>90589361You're the dumbass who is unable to see the writing on the wall
>>90588596stop deleting shit! now I believed this
>>90589495the rapist guy?
Fuck man
>>90589495Reminder that vinny fucked a girl who cosplayed as banjo kazooie
Turn holo against holo, JP against EN, that's how it should be.
>>90588722uh oh micometfag melty
>>90586746Gomen, friend...It has been a long four years...
>>90589543isn't suisei just interviewing here?
>>90589559nah pekwhora is next cucksagi
>>90589608wtf
>>90589500Quadruple retard fetusfag kun....
>>90589643>He thinks a person stays the same for over 5 yearsAnon, I...
>>90589809Quintuple retard zygotefag kun...
>>90589361to be fair, one holo grad is worth ten niji grads
>>90589543This pic is the most reasonable take that I've seen in this entire thread. If you have at least two braincells, you'd realize that. But for some reason you're twisting this to be something that it's not.
>>90589495binty is unironically old and depressed nowthe difference between 2012 and now is that he can't say retard and he's surrounded by all matter of degenerates
>>90588635Youtube is a gay ass bitch and removed the channel tab which allowed checking all Holos status way faster from the main channel. Now it's fucking garbage, even using holodex would be slow as fuck.
Karma's a bitch, holokeks.
>>90589645is 2 years recent
>>90589886I think I love you, you sextuple retard cockmongler kun.
>>90589677>The numbers rabbit has taken the corpo, noel, and fubuki's side on things. And not just in a passive way, like she actually asked "Why tf would you leave?"based beyond belief, ungrateful shitters eternally BTFO peko
>>90589976she just loves china more than hololive
>>90589779I knew you and your butt buddy schizo were the ones posting that shit all over the catalog. You wish kek
>>90589608>>90589775It's a youtube formatting error with the characters -- before and after text. She should have used ~ or some other one
why fauna?
>>90590078She loves shadow the hedgehog more than both which is probably preferableI hope she does get around to streaming SA2.
>>90562666>it's never the one you want.MOMMY WHY?
I used to be a total blue Dorito truther. Now, I just want a full on Jenga tower collapse of Hololive. I want all the talents to pull out, go indie, and ass fuck management. Whatever management did, I want them to get what they deserve. I want all the biggest cash cow talents leaving Cover in the dust. Fuck those jelly bean brain faggots. Yagoo can lick my hairy, never-shaven balls.
>>90589677I mean it doesnt make sense if youre in a happy spot like Pekora. Calli said something similar that not everyone wants the same thing.
>>90589980Sorry I don't swing that way, Septuple retard cockmongler kun
>>90589932sometimes he lets something slip through, but yeah it feels like thathttps://youtu.be/pg8LqQFwFXo?si=dEwgaIQX1hH4G9_1&t=190
>>90580705Every single corporation has a bunch of meetings that could've easily been an email. No exceptions.
>>90589934Good bootlicker.
omegay wasn't that bad in retrospect
oh shit it's real!
>>90589543Obviously. If the management is truly the problem, more than half would've left already, unlike niji where the management is the problem, it's the girls who are the problem here and it's better that they get the fuck out before they can cause real damage to Hololive as a whole.
>>90589850Seeing that Miko danced and moved around a lot during her performances in her sololive, yes she's still skinny, no reason to think otherwise
I like seeing how the retarded holofags turn against their beloved company
>>90589991This. The only ones who think she'll quit or want her to quit are her schizos.
>>90589932>>90590190>literal rapist is le heckin... depressed
>>90589608holy shit lmao
>>90589608>IsrealHOLY SHIT
>>90588053And it’s so fucking funny to watchHe’s not even defending the dignity of his oshi, just his own egoFOR NO MONETARY COMPENSATION WHATSOEVER MIGHT I ADD
>>90590154shadow is the coolest hedgehog
>>90590235link
>>90590152investor are asking for more work hours
>>90590277This does lend credence to /vt/ being nothing but bioholes looking to make up drama.
>>90589779>cucksagiqrd?
>>90589185The comfy minecraft streams aren't stopping on jan 3rd bucko. Same content, different channel
>>90590353https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=197OEpjj8RI
>90590277Impressive bait
>>90590094nah, pehora is graduating next cucksagi
>>90589779This definitely recontextualizes the PekoMiko split. A lot of people blamed on Pekora, but it's obvious now she was trying to distance herself from Miko's toxic influence. Miko found a likeminded replacement in Suisei while Pekora's been busy securing her own powerful allies for the ongoing cold civil war. She may be a self-centered numberfag but she's no friend of the MiComet clique and she's pro-streaming.
>>90590176Ah, that's okay, octuple retard primal atom kun
>>90589779not before she wins content creator of the year, sister.
>>90590358not my fault your reddit streamer raped a few broads
>>90588135Vesper did, I guess
>>90590360pehora basically called her fans cucks and said if you don't like her collabing with males then you're not a true fan
I guess the fauna sweep finally endedDidn't expect it to happen, fuck I'm actually sad
>>90590403Only in your schizo dreams, rectum
>>90590398damn....
>Why is fauna REALLY leavingI'd tell you but we're not ready to have that conversation yet
>>90590453>and she's pro-streamingSo is Miko
>>90590453Meanwhile Miko is great at streaming and great at idoling, Miko is just that good
>>90590131What changed in the copy/paste template desc message that it's suddenly done now?
>>90587211Friend... no...
>>90590652Please don't tell me the investors asked for personal time with the talents
>>90588070the hitman streamsmore recently(ish) I liked her head to head vs gura trying to beat 3 bosses in dark souls
>>90590453>MiComet cliquePlease explain, thanks
>>90590161I am excited for all my friends to follow Tanigo and debut at the new talent corp Amphitheater
>fwmc won't get to do asmr with herfuck...
>>90590781Meru....
>>90590855>>90567264
>>90590599pehora doesn't even have any goals or dreams anymore, she's graduating soon for sure. The signs are all there
>>90590652you mean jannies aren't ready
>>90588656nigger he IS the management
>another amazing set of breasts leaves hololiveBruhs... Fauna and Chloe in less than 48 hours.
>>90587211N-N-Need help
>>90590554I would've been mad if pekora wasn't an autistic numberfag. she wouldn't collab with a male if he's less popular than her and can't give her any viewer retention
>>90578758Look i wasn't big on Ame either but...falling off?
>>90590922deleted
>>90590855Anyone who explains will get 3 days
>>90590976Dont worry fauna is gonna make it up to her fans by titfucking some dildos and doing JOI
>>90590272yeah cause we aren't a cult for the brand like nijifans
>>90590652Foe me it's KAF x Suiseihttps://youtu.be/vtEfALKX40E
>>90590976Fly to sydney and get the real deal>>90590855Niji staff are just trying to tank Cover
>>90591040that's true she already fell off years ago
>>90591065Oh, thanks
>>90590855We know Watame and Bae are part of it. I'm sure there are others.
guys i know this is bad but can we forgive suisei? she's so hot haha like shes so sexyy
>>90590984N-N-Nanora
>>90584376/u/cels are the most delusional and hilarious retards on 4chan
>>90590518your shitty accusation doc didn't stand up to basic scrutiny and had countless errors making the claims impossible
>>90591135>kafThat piece of shit trend jumper
>>90591224shut up taku inoue
>>90585189wtf does this mean
just saw the announcementmy kamioshi is graduatingmy heart
>>90591224Drink piss
>>90591224Her breasts aren't big enough
>>90590855supposedly the leaker of graduation dates claims micomet are driving talents away. honestly i don't see how that could be true in any way shape or form but since the leaker was right on the dates it adds credibility and you know how the audience is.
>>90591208>Bae>Part of itShe got snubbed on being in one of her performances with the lame-ass excuse of "being too good". Bae is a pro so she let it slide but they're definitely not on the same team.
>>90590925>accomplishes her dreams>cruises on by with sponsorships and passive income while doing what she loves doing, streamingShe'll be there until the day Hololive collapses and you will continue to seethe about it eternally. Also see >>90589677Like I said, only in your schizo dreams, rectum.
>>90591208>BaeAtleast be fucking believable.THE "MICOMET CLIQUE" according to rats involves Micomet and FBK(Who shills micomet non stop)
What really has me shook is how even reddit and twitter that is full of bootlicker are actually going "wait, something off".Just how badly do you have to fuck up to make those people programming fail?
>>90591224sorry but treating your coworkers like shit is a massive turnoff
How likely do you think December will squeeze in one more graduation before the year ends?
>>90591383Oh I see, much appreciated
>>90591058Archvie exists nigga
>>90591224Niji wouldn't be a smoking crater if you just treated them better sister
>>90591460Talk about yourself. I wish Suisei were here right now treating me like shit. Ffs.
>>90589543Management mostly deserves the blame because they're a bunch of faceless faggots who do not directly provide my entertainment.
>>90591471I would say they're not crazy enough to allow a third graduation back to back but yesterday I was saying they're not crazy enough to allow a graduation back to back one day after the other so who the fuck knows anymore.
>>905914394 people leaving in 3 months will definitely send that messageand all 4 being the bigger streamers on top of that
>>90590576Biboo sweep next. She is posing to take in a bunch of orphaned saplings
>>90591384>>90591405Bae has said that everything is going great with the company. She's either part of the clique or it's a case of 'fuck you, I got mine'.
>>90591439That's what happens when your talent blames management fuckery on their way out
>>90591385Without Watame, Pekora or Fubuki there is no Holo, at least in my eyes
>>90591439It's denial because this time it's about people they actually care about. What's hard to understand?
>>90583837Schizo janny. I got warned earlier (wasn't talking baout Sui, just some thread banter) by the powertripping retard and the warning was lifted few minutes later.
>>90591224I love how everyone just ignores Miko and shits on Suisei. You do know MICOMET is a duo right?
>>90591650I was about to ask that, where do you guys think the saplings will go? shiori or bibu are my guesses
>>90591383Honestly, it happened in Niji so I can't see why it can't happen here as well, that's just how women are.
>>90591471that would be like what? DEFCON 1 status?
>>90591587niji is doing just fine. take a look at your own company first.
>>90591689Based
>>90591383Combined they are an unstoppable raping machine
>>90591656Bae has a modest amount of professionalism we saw it early on to the overwork episode
One way or another, Cover fucked up big time. These results are unacceptable.Your best talents either stopped streaming or graduated. You fucked up
>>90591760Most likely Biboo and Gigi since they stream in similar timeslot as Fauna
>>90591720miko is retarded lmao susy's the one calling the shots
>>90591290sorry man I don't know what to tell you. My oshi has never raped anyone
>>90591720EOPs here think Miko is just "haha le funny baby" so her being bully doesn't make any sense for them even though nips have speculated it for years now.
>>90591720miko said the n-word, she gets the pass.
>>90562666Jwu from a napWtfPosting in sticky tho
What did suisei even do? I don't pay enough attention to holoreddit to keep up with this shit
>>90585472can I have a hint because i don't know wtf he's talking about
>>90591782>It really was a sister slandering cover
>>90588403Doubt it. She's autistic enough to think she'd be bothering someone for something she'd be paying them to do.
>>90591760They will probably follow their oshi. Just like the Teaspouts
>>90591760>where do you guys think the saplings will goTo a certain leaf of a lemon variety
>>90562666What a coincidence the OP has satan trips
>>90591656And why would a JP clique include an EN member? The rrat said they were bullying Fauna to the point she didn't want to travel to Japan(KEK).
Uuuuuuuuuuuuu
>>90588403>does he know
>>90591650>>90591760The dogs are probably salivating at the thought of cannibalizing all the saplings to add to their numberfagging.
>>90591987Okay but what if Selen buys the maid to do it then so mooms doesn't even get a choice in the matter?
>>90591650I like biboo, I just don't think there's anyone as calming as fauna around, a lot of the new talents have strong dork or gremlin energy but not enough of what made Fauna special
>>90591770because it doesn't really track with what we get to see as an audience. aqua was very much into what this rrat claims micomet would be in favor of, so was chloe, and also the holos that the retards here are saying would be "against" this clique are also getting big opportunities like pekora and marine getting their own sololives. shitposting about it is funny but if i were to look at it objectively it sounds like the leaker simply had a huge grudge against micomet, we know they both have insane schizos on the jp side.
>>90588403I'm scared of maids and nurses.
Is there such a thing as winning too much?
>>90588669She's next. Guaranteed.
>>90583837There's this one janny who always goes full retard whenever someone big graduates
>>90591439It's kinda what happened with NijiEN. Zaion got terminated and NijiENfans dogpiled her. They tried doing the same shit to Selen and it woke a lot of the NijiENfans up, then the black stream happened and they were like "nah this isn't it chief".Same thing is happening now with Hololive. This many graduation announcements so close between and with similar sentiments is waking people the fuck up.
>>90591906Kek, next 2 replies proved you right immediately.
Maybe we dont need massive titties after all...Maybe we are blinded...
>>90591252EVIL SPIRIT BEGONE
>>90591656>Bae has said that everything is going great with the company.Today anon learns about the concept of public relations :^)
>>90591439Fauna is so nice and sweet and agreeable that for her to leave due to "disagreements" means to people that the other party involved must be at fault and have done something seriously wrong.
>>90578892Man, I'm a Lemonleaf Fancier
>>90592076No I barely watch her aside from catching the occasional karaoke or stream.
>>90592131I can't tell if this is the nijisanji guy or the holo one. Why do they all look the same
>>90592047>>90592031you guys know a GOOD chunk of retards only watch the blue dorito, i was talking about them.
>>90589850>petite jap with a baby babble gains 200 pounds in 5 years hnnnnghhhh architect bros keep winning
I hope she finishes the world tree so I can hang myself from it's branches.
>>90591906I remember her faking sobbing on stream when a supa called her out for something so she could get even more donations and yuribaits constantly for fanserviceShe's a femcel that's manipulative as fuck
>>90592111Cute. Probably won't happen though.
>>90591955It's just a rrat, but basically some antis on the JP forums said that Suisei and Miko are trying to beat down any talents that threaten their dominance of the company. They claim these two have a lockhold over upper management and are sabotaging the careers of people they dislike.As of right now, the theory looks like total nonsense. But who really knows?
>>90592131maybe yagoo should have just done a few stock buybacks
Lmao rest in piss saplings.
>>90588575>he doesn't know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxWArltHjhw
>>90591656Or different Holos have different priorities, anon. Bae definitely is interested in different things than Fauna. The company is indeed heading in the direction she wants
>>90592258a jannie just put me in the cuck stool for 15 minutes because of racism, be careful dud
>>90592135I'm halfway expecting it desu
After cuddling with fauna every night for the past two years, well, I'm never buying vtuber dakis again
>>90592076Know what?
>>90591781No that's Gura's or Pekora's graduation
>>90591439The mask slipped. The two events aren't on the same scale, but Hololive's entire Affiliate push is definitely their version of "negligible"
>>90592277It's silly nonsensical behavior. A lot of them break out of it immediately. More in the following months as content from those that do spills out.>>90592303What if Selen kidnaps her to live with her then?
So how long until people start pretending there's nothing wrong with management behind the scenes?
>>90592317women are like that, career subversion is where they excel
>>90592317I'm sure fucking Fauna, Ame and Chloe were really threatening to them.You're actually braindead if you believe this shit.
>>90592047DESU, I love fauna but not enough to go on twitch, so I will most likely follow either Biboo or IRyS (if I can stay up)
>>90592093Fuwamoco are too cute for that kind of behavior, but I could see a lot of sapling refugees settling there
I will join the Cecilia clan once fauna leaves. Mostly because I like her already. Actually I hope returns sooner than later like Dooby did.
>>90592411Apparently it's on sight tonight
reddit is not taking the news well huh
>>90592457so you don't know?
>>90588564Unironically with the Troon people were streaming and happy
>>90592550> he doesn't know
>>90592208>Fauna is the one to leaveShe's being fired blindchama. If you think an affiliate is a new euphemism for graduating, do you really think Cover would openly terminate Fauna?
>>90592327He doesn't even own 40% of the stocks
>>90592068Every clique needs a yesman pet. Suisei offered to take Bae under her wing after moving to Japan and has been influencing her since.
>>90592547>unironic redditorGo back
>>90592411i saw anons getting slapped with a ban for calling jannies brown kek
>>90592317>[Deleted]Umm, bros?
hey she unstrikethrough'ed them
>>90592462Gura might as well be dead.
Fuck management if they aren't able to keep fauna.
>>90592498When they announce next big event (likely NY countdown)
>>90592317It's very dumb considering how much she fights management. This is just you nijiniggers trying to force a rerun with how hard you're pushingi t
>>90592208Isn't fauna infamous for being a bpd bitch behind the scenes? I've heard wild shot about her having melties when she was an indie
>>90591760they will go to fauna's PLno one in hololive offers the same vibe or scratches the oldfag streamer itch that Fauna scratchesshiori maybe but shiori is too autistic
Bro this thread sucks, there's a fucking janny powertripping.
>I will quit streaming forever in a month>Let's continue to carry on as normal in the meantime and act like nothing's unusualThis is so fucked up. Imagine if your wife said she was divorcing you in a month but during that time she wanted to spend lots of time with you and have lots of great sex until it was over.
>>90592208This, I have yet to hear of anything that paints her as someone who is hard to work withSomething is clearly wrong
>>90592677anon we went through this>wow deleted? ummfunposting already. we get it.
>the MILF hat is going for several hundred dollars on eBayBased
>>90592076Does she hire an actual maid?
>>90592681lol did she read the threads?
>>90592705gura who? new viewers don't know what you are talking about
One last time
>>90592767>I will quit streaming forever in a monthnot what she said and is not what is expected to happen, but the character of Fauna is dead in a month, yes
>>90583599Other replies have already mentioned worst case scenarios, but at the bare minimum I think another EN graduation would cause a bigger meltdown (or make the current one even worse if it lasts for a month)
>>90592158Why hasn't fucking YAGOO woken up? What is that faggot retard doing?
>>90588982>He's pure unadulterated reddit tho and the most normal guy among successful streamers.So, just like her?
>>90592758Shiori definitely does not scratch the same itch Fauna does.
>gen 3 has been waiting for marine sololive and will all announce their graduations next year
>>90592705Gura was turned into an undying mascot.
>>90592760faunamaid has always been a powertripping schizo
>>90592767prob company mandate
>>90592705Schrodinger Gura is good for business
>>90586333>hot >chinese pick one
>>90592869>Fauna is different from whatever she comes back as, she is dead.
>>90592760Trained hoshiyomi who feeds only with his own piss
>>90592849Bae is the last chuuba I expect to read 4chan
>>90591760Ina, Cecilia, Lemonleaf
>>90592907Which is a waste because she really could if she put herself to it but she's too obsessed with self-sabotaging herself god knows why.Maybe this shitfest is what will make her wake the fuck up.
>>90592411hopefully they're getting paid double for having to work so hard
>>90583599Kronni is next. Dooby is taking her to the indie promised land.
>>90583599People saying Gura, but I think graduating someone who actually streams would be worse.Someone like Fuwamoco. They're also massive idolfags, so graduation would have no other justification than someone bigger than them not liking them.
>>90592642not a redditor, just an observer
>>90592984First graduation? Jannies always come out in droves to kill any and all posts that could be remotely perceived as trolling/doxxing/etc, which is a good thing considering these events are when we get the largest amount of dramanigger tourists.
>>90592849Wouldn't be surprised if some of them are reading this thread right now
>>90592519Twitch is cancer, their chat is not worth the terrible experience of everything else
>>90592969Oh nonsense
>>90592550>>90592587Mumei hires a maid to clean her shit up?
>>90592669It's been like that for years. In the real grim news the last janny wave got a bunch of them on other boards too it's disgusting.>>90592543What'd you show up for in the first place? If it was comfy minecraft and shit then nothing's going to change. It'll be new channel same content
>>90593015they all do
>>90592758You say that, but to date 0 (zero) ex-Holo has managed to retain their previous viewership in the long run. Fauna isn’t that unique
>>90593015All of them are here.
>>90592849no but smoeone definitely was reading it on her behalfi would expect cover to closely monitor all socials to litmus test how mad their fans are
>>90592681>cover confirmed in the threadsEveryone say hi
>>90592433I'm in the same boat. I feel weird with my daki now, like it lost all meaning..
Lmao holos keep dropping like flies, totally not a black company right?Then again good riddance, she'll be replaced by 3 new literal who gens who barely break numbers
>>90592966Young Lucy Liu was cute
>>90592904Yagoo is little more than a mouthpiece now and outward face. He has no real power anymore as he needs to bend over for shareholders and investors like everyone else.
>>90593327who do you think is moderating here?
>>90593373>>90593327Suityan literally owns /vt bro
>>90593246Isn't Aqua and Ame doing well?
>goes public>becomes the worse version of its former selfthe fate of all public companies
>>90593121To the contrary, literally the purpose of the sticky thread is to allow more open discussion on the topic.
>>90586999>suisei, who has a long noseWhat did he mean by this?
>>90592904best case living like a rat to have a fund to buy himself back to 51%so unlikely
Is there a day holotrannies dont a sticky over thir shitty corpo?and people say niji or idol is bad ...
Just got done with a Fauna goonsesh in honor of her a little while ago. Now Im sipping some tea.
>>90593059She had so much time being indie it became a contrarian personality trait
>>90592076>>90592550>>90592587Same baseless rrat as her being in a wheelchair.
>>90584989Have you never died before?Newfags I swear to god
>>90593373>>90593452>>90593327Please make more sexy Sora and Azki Thanks
>>90593327Mori literally just said the girls check 4ch yesterday
Cover as a company will fail because it's publicly traded. No publicly traded company has ever had long term stability or success without becoming a mega-corp that consumes everything and anything smaller than it. Cover is incapable of being that mega-corp so it will be cannibalized by something larger before becoming a shadow of its former self. Yagoo was never the boss, the investors are, and always will be.
>>90593328I cant believe people deluded themselves into thinking every corpo except only their favorite one was a black company.
>Crazy rrats posted all the time about a variety of streamers>Jack shit happens>Crazy rrats about Suisei and Miko posted>Insta delete on the whole boardWhy?
>>90593500She went tru surgery to elongate it so she could sniff migo's cunt harder
>>90593015I don't really watch her much but she does seem to be clean in avoiding imageboard related content in a way that would indicate that she is familiar with it.
>>90593581They're retarded kek.
I don't get it, can i still jerk off to her or not
>>90593327The strike rrat didn't even start /here/, it started from a SEA facebook group and circulated through discord groups
>>90593637>She went tru surgery to elongate it so she could sniff migo's cunt harderextra length is needed because of fat flabs?
>>90593468They are doing well, but their viewerships are already below what they once were - and they are still essentially in their honeymoon period (less so for Aqua but she doesn’t stream often)
>>90593580
>>90588135they will get sued for everything they have then retard
First they came for Coco, but I did not speak out because I was not a tatsunoko. Then they came for Rushia, but I did not speak out because I was not a fandead. Then they came for Mel, but I did not speak out because I was not a kapu-min. Then they came for Aqua, but I did not speak out because I was not an aqua crew. Then they came for Ame, but I did not speak out because I was not a teamate. Then they came for Chloe, but I did not speak out because I was not a shiikuin. Then they came for Fauna, but I did not speak out because I was not a sapling. Then they came for my oshi - and there was no one left to speak for me.
>>90593373...moderating? There's better trigger discipline at a bring your disgruntled incel to school day
>>90588135Anons revealing they've never had a job before.
>>90593630>gets bullied by bitchy jp streamers to quit>BUT TOTALLY NOT A BLACK COMPANY
>>90592495Don't worry, I got Selen covered.
>>90593328How's Ver doing btw?>>90593327Do you expect them not to after announcing a graduation and Nijiniggers being retards slandering them?
>>90577920Going public is a mistake unless you plan on cashing out and retiring like Notch did with minecraft.
>>90592681>>90592849>>90593327Retards. They are still striked if you open fresh link. It's a YouTube bug which goes away after a while on its own.
>>90593134If Kroni is reading thisHope you are all right, good luck!
>>90593159Yes Mumei has talked about hiring cleaners before and how she has to make sure they don't touch her streaming shit
>>90593670unfortunately 4ch is the only place to get honest unfiltered feedback in realtimehell all the fan discord servers now are going full NKVD purge mode nuking anyone whos saying what they perceive is a negative influence
>>90593891I actually don't think cover is a black company now, just a different one.
>>90593891This is gonna be the low hanging fruit shitpost angle for the following month isn't it
>>90583599The most catastrophic EN graduation would probably have to be Mori, since she's invested in the company to a degree that probably nobody else is.
>>90593914>didn't end with a pillow over her face3/10
>>90593966Gtfo... She really is just me fr fr.
>>90593633Accurately predicting a specific graduation down to the day implies it actually is someone in the company and they might be breaking NDA. If Cover monitors that or this board as part of their social media awareness policy, then there could already be a real investigation in the works.
>>90593633It's well documented that there is at least one 35p janny and one hoshiyomi janny. Could be either one deleting stuff.
She tried to warn us....but we didn't understand until it was too late...
>>90593780WhatThere's nothing wrong with it
>>90589932yeah i used to love watching his streams back then, but now it just feels like he's going through the motions. there's some good stuff every now and then though
>>90593783Sued for what? Under which law? Under which jurisdiction? Nigger stop making up legal fictions if you don't know the first damn thing about the law. The main reason people don't do this is because it will make every other company avoid them forever, not because some court will do some cast some magic poverty spell or whatever retarded fantasy you made up about it.
Supposedly Mint has been saying stuff about "fire behind the scenes" but nobody could have guessed she meant Holo
>>90593914Holy cute!
>>90593932stfu I want to belib
Fauna collabing with doki and mint... ricegnat adding her to the futa rotation...
Now that Fauna is gone what will be the new homosexual fanbase where the fans use the vtuber as a proxy to do gay stuff together
>>90593543You would think she would be more like FWMC who after finally reaching success after so much failure they went balls deep and never let go and just keep reaching out to grab more and more and more.Guess she ended up mindbroken.
>>90594005Yeah, at the moment, it's still probable that the graduations are because of differing vision. If Mori decides to graduate, that means there is honest to god mistreatment going on.
>>90594005nobody likes mori here
>>90593966And yet her mom still has to check in to make sure she isn't dying lmao
>>90593923Mojang didn't "go public", it was just sold.
>>90593783In an American court? Are you sure?
>>90593360too squinty for me but each their own
Every EN graduation is a blessing
>>90562666Don't worry, Rosemi will be gone soon too. It will even out again.
>>90594209Kiara must have told her
>>90593633I'll just repeat myself from earlier. Because rrats that are made to look slightly believable are actually harmful. Everyone else, including indies, have had rrats like that getting choked out of oxygen as soon as possible.
>>90593134I mean ERB was streaming damage control in response so make of that what you will. Talents are clearly bothered/shaken/affected by the way this is happening.
>>90594285The fact that a sweet girl like Fauna was compelled to graduate, and literally told us explicitly there's issues with management, should be the smoking gun you need.
The disagreement with management is that management wanted Fauna to do work and Fauna didn't want to have to do any work.
>"I'm not very fond of that Fauna girl either."
So where do we go now? Raora seems pretty motherly.
Hero kagai nikis? i amu migo leading the 4chanpleas donto speaku batto of my friendo suichansankyu
>>90594328fuck back off to /jp/
Council was a mistake
>>90594250PLEASEEE THIS IS MY HOPE
>Previous video>Saying hi to all 914,434 of my subscribers*>Recent video>Graduation announcementNot sure if I should laugh or cry...
>>90594448Liz
>>90594285That's completely backwards. Mori is probably getting referential treatment so she's not a good measure of anything.
kinda wild to see jannies deleting anything slightly questioning cover, how deep do the holoyakuza run?
>>90594448terrible voice
>>90593328holotroons are just delusionalits a international media conglomerate with revenue in hundreds of millions, you have to be a fucking cuck who worships big companies to think this one is "special"this is why watch mostly indies, cant stand the fake, HR approved content
>>90594254Likers have been doing that for several years now, saplings aren't even that homosexual, just cucks
>>90594417Any highlights among what she said?
>>90594502keep crying newfag LMAO
>>90594431this post was made by a holoEN talent or cover management
>>90593767And yet they're probably going to make more since they don't have to give a cut to cover. You don't need 10,000 viewers to be wealthy streaming. 4,000 viewers is more than enough to make six figures easily
>>90594502
>>90594558I think you're accidentally agreeing with me. If even the vtuber getting preferential treatment graduates, that's how you'd know shit is fucked.
>>90594443Who is she killing next?
>>90594448Shiina from phase connect
HAACHAMA IS NEXT
>>90594448Fauna had a certain feeling of class. Like a well-raised young lady without much childhood psychotraumas caused by inept parents. A genuine good girl. That's what made her appealing in tandem with her dorkiness of "gamer goth girl next door". There's no one quite like her anymore in Hololive.
>>90594689He was glad EN graduates, meaning that shit loves JP
>>90594558>Mori>The one person to actually cancel a stream over thisUse your brain.
>>90586999Now that I think about it it makes sense. Remember the dodgers event? Suisei was there, but Gura stole the show so Suisei bullied Aqua and Chloe (Umisea members) and Gura's best friends, Ame and Fauna, into graduation, while at the same time not allowing her to stream.
>>90592681What was struck through earlier? I missed it
>>90594661she wouldn't have had those viewers without hololive thoughhonestly FUCK Cover, talents are dropping like flies because of all the fucking homework they keep giving them when they just want to stream and be idolswhy the fuck do they have 600 employees and still expect the girls to do most of the work themselves
>>90594448a talented and capable vtuber, but not my oshi because y'all sickos
>>90594744Wonton
>>90594744>fake whore that would do anything for numbersOne more mention of that whore and sad bee gets bee fleshlight up his ass.
>>90594719>Rushia>FaunaApparently she hates green women so Cecilia is next
>>90594389nah, indies are even more retarded as they read/respond to rrats causing the schizos and spergs to triple down on making and spreading them because they've been noticed>t. legit saw one reading a rrat from /lig/ verbatim while live
Just debut 10 more girls, they'll bring new viewers with them
>>90594448LemonLeaf
>>90594837they can't be idols without dancing and singing and fucking up their throats 24/7 anon
>>90594661For Fauna to pay the bills streaming she'd need to actually steam though lmao.
>>90594837Oh absolutely. They wouldn't get those numbers without Hololive. It's a big boon to be in Hololive, but honestly, the best course is to take that popularity and go indie after a year or two.
>>90594689
>>90594617Nah didn't actually tune in since it honestly didn't feel very appropriate, but she's doing an unarchived chat for good vibes. I'm sure she means well but man I'm seething to much to want to be calmed down.
>>90594709I'm saying hat shit's likely to get fucked far before the point where she graduates. It's like waiting for the water in your glass to boil before deciding that your room is too hot.
Lemonleaf is Fauna’s old channel for those looking to find her. She’ll return there after graduation like Ame becoming Dooby. You’re welcome to those looking to enjoy more of her
>>90595003>>90594689is that the sumanko girl
>>90594926Yeah sure but what indies do with their own rrats has nothing to do with what the jannies on this board do with rrats.
>>90594926>I WARNED YOU BOUT THE RRATS BRO. I TOLD YOU DAWG
>>90583952>LearnShareholders look at graphs and how much money they are making.If Cover's stock does not tank like Niji did than most of the shareholders will be HAPPY with the decisions internally.
>>90593966Are they Hispanic like the cleaners I hire?
She needs to update her model, and make it green, and give it medium sized booba
>>90594614It's magical ain't it? >>90594801The names of course
>>90595039Yeah, I don't disagree with that.
>>90594926whats worse they get one-guyed with rrats easily
>>90594940>ACCELERATEWe've already seen how that ends.
>>90594689Newfags here probably don't know the origin of this image
>>90595114Latinx*
>>90595155Whos names? Just Fauna and Sana?
>>90594837>why the fuck do they have 600 employees and still expect the girls to do most of the work themselveswhat, you expect management to actually work?lmaothey are too busy having coffee breaks and "meetings"
>>90595224Everyone's.
Hello to any holochuba or management in their behalf /here/can you please leave the honorary Australian alone?
Does this mean Gura is gonna be on a couple streams?
>>90583550If you lose a swath of your top workers, clearly you're asking too much of your workforce. That's just bad management 101.But I don't think that's what's going on, given that there are so many Holo girls who stream once a month or less. Clearly they are fucking up somehow though, and the fact that some girls are streaming so rarely isn't good sign either, as they apparently can't make it worth their time to stream.
with the current state of this sticky, what are the odds of the meta-rrat "/vt/ is infiltrated by cover management jannies feeding you propaganda" being true?
>>90594387Was this before or after she tweeeted >Fuckkkkkkkkk not again >>90595224All 4 of council which is what made it a funny jewtube formatting moment
>>90595318maybe you need 4 hours of paperwork for a stream
0nytv2Remember that all of this is BlackRock's fault
>>90595164I thought that was a myth until I inadvertently oneguy'd one. I can kinda see why spergs exist now.
I've been completely out of the loop, but can I get clarification on what exactly it meant when people say "Hololive went public?"
>>90595299
>>90595066Natori Sana, yes.
>>90595314only if fauna begs
>>90594837Middle management smothers growing companies to death. Every time.
>>90595336Even back during Niji's hour of power the retarded rrats were getting slapped down for slander. And this especially dumb shit is an offense to intelligence so good on them for beating their shitposting asses.
>>90595318what hololive wants isnt streams
>Do you think those retarded corpos and businessmen and shareholders will learn from this? That's all I want. I want them to look at their retarded decisions and their line go up mentality and realize that everything going down in flames was their fault. I'm honestly glad that a lot of girls knew they were worth more than these scum and didn't put up with their bullshit and just left.If even one corpo gets fired and starves because of this I will be happyTO THE MOOOOOOOON
>>90586746100%Because of what she did when Coco left. Pic related is why I trust friend.
>>90595413They debuted on the stock market. Publicly traded companies are kinda mandated to be evil.
Just wait long enough and everyone but the ultra lapdogs (Suisei, Fubuki, etc) will leave, to be replaced by soulless corporate dev_is clones. This is the hololive Great Replacement. You're witnessing it with your own eyes.
Fauna made absolutely sure to kill he rrats>she doesn't want to stream!>she doesn't want to be an idol!No, she explicitly told us the reason, there are issues with management
>>90595413they opened a public bathroom in the middle of tokyo. every urinal has a hololive girl face on it
>>90595570This one is lame
>>90595318>Wont file your work visa despite demanding you fly out so you can't even fucking work>Over 4 years of perms struggle snuggle>Ridiculous homework loads and delaysCan't imagine why
>>90595413= started trading shares on market to attract investors = investors decide the course of company more than Tanigo = investors are dinosaur JP money whales that treat Cover as any tech company to pump & dumpwhen our company was sold to financial consortium, all of the "recreational" spendings were cut no more paid business trips and other extravagancies etc. and paperwork increased twofold
>>90595590And yet there's still a shitton of retards still blaming idolshit for it.Some people are hopeless.
>>90595504FBK is not the same she used to be, sorry anon.
>>90595413They began offering their stock for sale with an IPO (Initial Public Offering), which generates massive amounts of revenue as people are allowed to buy shares, or tiny pieces of the company. The problem is this makes ownership of the company a communal thing and you've got randos with more money than sense getting to have a say on how 'their' company is being run. Shareholders have rights which can include being able to vote the founder of the company out of the company if enough of them disapprove of decisions being made, and all corporate law is designed to protect the shareholders over the people actually in the company.Henry Ford was so profitable that he tried to raise all his factory workers' wages, and his shareholders SUED HIM over wanting the money instead. They won.tl;dr going public means you no longer have control of your company
>>90595590iirc didn't Fauna say she hates flying to and from Japan all the time? Maybe that had something to do with it. Management probably told her she needs to get her ass down there and put in work
>>90595398Yep.>>90595413They got listed on the stock market to raise money for the 20 million yen recording studio but the obligations to shareholders in the following years has raised a lot of concerns
>>90595493what stream is this from?
>>90595413It means the company now exists on the market and you can buy shares of it. Something like your local mom and pop laundromat would be "private" because ownership is fully in the hands of the private individual, while a public company gives out small little bits and pieces of "stock" or "shares" that mean you get some semblance of say in how the company operates
>>90595570bro really went on google images and downloaded the first suisei.png
>>90592737no and no
what the hell does "issues with management" mean? what demands/restrictions does the management do for these streamers?
>Gura is checked out>Mumei is checked out>Mel was axed>Chloe's leaving>Fauna's leaving>some insane right-wing nutjob is about to rule AmericaIt's over, 2024 will forever be known as cursed.
>>90595713
>>90595493So Suisei is definitely the one to blame here, right?
>>90595590I don't know if you got the memo, but anime women can lie and twist half-truths just as well as normal women can. I can easily see management asking her to do things in service of idol stuff, which she then rationalizes away as "muh ebil management"
>>90595570Aqua was one of the biggest shills and she left, no one is safe.
>>90583599Christmas sex scandal.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+short+COVCF
>>90581030It's more hating spending all day on a plane for a fucking meeting that could have been a videoconfrence. God knows the talents have webcams.
>>90595841cover wants them to be more idol like, basically telling them that streaming is second to doing recordings, shilling merch, doing promos, etc.Which is fine mind you, but it's different from what hololive used to be about.
>>90595590That is actually pretty damned vague, especially given that the other issues she dismissed would still be management issues, trying to make talents do things they don't want to.Graduation reasons are always vague as fuck for some damned reason. There maybe legal reasons in some cases, but it's seriously frustrating.
>>90594417ERB is the last Holomem i want to be damage controlling. The bong can fuck off
>finally decide to quit hololive as a whole>everyone starts graduatinggood to finally see cover start burning
>>90595590I am curious what it would take for Cover to fix their shitshow of a management department
>>90595871>Aqua was one of the biggest shillsRetard
>>90595504Anon you must take differences between work & social culture in Japan and West.In JapanYOU NEED TO HIRE A FUCKING OUTSOURCE COMPANY TO HANDLE QUITTING JOB FOR YOU BECAUSE COMPANY WILL MAKE YOU GROVEL AND EXPLAIN YOURSELF TO 3 LEVEL OF DIRECTORS AND WRITE AND PRESENT AN APOLOGY LETTER PUBLICLY BEFORE ENTIRE WORKFORCEand stuff like thousands of $ in "key money" when renting apartments
>>90595318Also remember that Fauna could not be considered "lazy" by any means. In fact she is utterly hardworking, dutiful, and professional. I know women exactly like this, she is the type that schedules and plans everything beforehand. An upper class woman. If this person is having issues with management it means there's something extremely serious that is wrong. Maybe you could pooh pooh it away if it was an isolated incident, but consider how many top talents don't wanna stream. Even Ina, another super professional with a knack for hard work.
>>90595939okay, thank you.
>>90595972>implying she wasnthow new?
What is this suisei miko autism what do they have to do with management? The last 3 graduatees all mentioned management as the problem
>>90595734>Henry Ford was so profitable that he tried to raise all his factory workers' wages, and his shareholders SUED HIM over wanting the money instead. They won.People often forget that business owners can be good people, investors are sharks that fire lawyers from their mouths
>>90589555anon... this isnt the flex you think it is
>>90583599show their real face while livestreaming nothing like this had happened isn't it?
>management is a good boy, he dindu nuffin!
>Jobs super hard>Is part of the new direction that the girls don't like>Gets a season 2Say something mean to ENReco
>>90589555wtf is this nigga bragging about XDDDD
>>90595851>insane right-wing nutjobis he?
>>90596053>N-newfagRetard.
>>90596055the leaker hates micomet and claims they're essentially shadow management. go figure how exactly that tracks with aqua and chloe leaving.
>>90595869Except Fauna never lies, she hides the truth sometimes though.
>>90596180>implying she wasnt used for marketing like crazykeep trying.
>>90595987did she ever indie after?
>>90595851Mooms will check in they had to work their ass off all these years it's a lot of stress and pressure. This blowout will get Cover to lighten up on them so they can get back into it.Mel's back at it and fineFauna is continuing streaming after graduationThis isn't the board for it but if you believe that last bit you're a fucking idiot that needs to do their reps.
>>90596180nta but you're the retard here, the girls was having sponsorships left and right
>>90596055Who knows about whether the leaks are true or not, but we know that at least there's a leaker that posts on Sukikira and he linked it with Miko and Suisei.Not the first time this happened too btw.
>>90595851That last one is the best thing to happen in 4 years
>>90596278What one?
>>90596055management is great if you're at the top
>>90596227Thats the thing I dont understand how that tracks at all what would those two have against aqua
>>90596271>>90596300Watch her streams dumbass.
>>90595954Cover's public so standing up to 60 million people and going Yeah! Omega! I'm calling your faggot ass out. You destroyed out branch!! is acting against the shareholder's interests and the company's liable for it.
>>90595413Now open to outsider investors and shareholders. That means retarded out-of-touch activists and bottom-line chasers from America got their foot in the door.
>>90596341Pikamee
>>90596398now you're getting it. but it's such a low hanging fruit that shitposters won't care.
>>90595851>2024 will forever be known as cursedThe real problem is nearly every horrible thing that happened in 2024 is a portent of even something worse happening in 2025.
>>90596055It's a nothingburger. Nijiniggers are trying to rerun the Elira episode with a different blue woman because that's how braindead they are.
>>90596470Bro she's with a new corpo and has been for over a year now.
>>90562666Gura lost her oshi Aqua, best friend Ame, and now her kohai Fauna.She's known this was happening for a while.
>>90595523>>90595705>>90595734>>90595773>>90595811Okay, I can understand how shareholding MAY be enticing, but for fucking Vtubing where literally all of the money is built on keeping the fans and vtubers happy? How and who in the fuck even decided this would go well?
>>90596089its not a flex, brother. that you see it that way says more about you than me
>>90596413That has nothing to do with her shilling products, newfag.
https://x.com/hakuikoyori/status/1863041615784546654why do the japs all cream to her voice?
>>90596278Henya's fine yes. She debuted 2023/5/13 dude
>>90596524Yagoo said it was either that or selling the company.
>>90596154Elon Musk? Absolutely.
>>90594005She sold her soul to UMG I doubt she can quit even if she wanted to.
>>90596278nope. graduated right into debuted in vshojo
>>90596514I'm bad at navigating corposcape. Help a brother out.
>>90596524it got them a lot of money in the short term and helped to pay off that new shiny studiobig boon to the company at the timenow they're paying the price in other ways
>>90596131ENRecunt
>>90562666Saplings...you can't kill yourselves yet...she still loves you...go to her...under the lemontree.
>>90596571That's the only thing they can understand.Same thing with "Calli-chan kakkoii"
>>90596571Most of them don't know anything else about her
If you read between the lines there's been a lot of pressure from Cover on the EN girls to move to Japan since the company went public, likely as a cost-saving measure. It's an open secret that members living there get preferential treatment from management. Good on Fauna for standing her ground and telling them fuck off.
>>9059652420 million yen recording studios to do all the stuff you praised in recent years isn't free.
>>90595851>>some insane right-wing nutjob is about to rule AmericaI wish.
>>90596651>t. bad at Diablo
>tfw won't be able to shitpost about Fauna not being on after one microsecond she is done streaming with a sapling image about to diebros....
>>90596524Your average middle manager who would be for something like this exists solely to make those below them suffer in order to prevent others from climbing up. It's why American work culture be so fucking dogshit, in so far as most people who would support it only care about numbers going up, everything else be damned
>>90586833Wasn't Kronii in a bad mood during the crab game steam? Leaving her alone might have been a kindness. It's not a normal social situation; they're on stream.
>>90596571Nasa Cute
>Ship Ina over to work in the shareholder soapland as they demanded>Dont get her a work Visa so they cant even pay her for itLol I'd be mad too
>>90596524Some companies more or less have to to acquire capital to make necessary expansions. I guess Cover really really wanted that state of the art studio complex, but it may come at the ultimate cost of the entire foundational success the company had to begin with. At this rate they're going to more or less shed their vTubing portion in favor of just being an industry logistics hub for other production companies to use their facilities. Which is exactly what shareholders would want.Remember, the shareholders don't even need to know what vTubing is or how it works. They see booming tech company, they want in, and now they get to tell you how it's gonna be. These are the same people that invest in companies like Sony.
>>90596750they couldn't even do that rightlook at what happened to Inafucking incompetent company
>>90596398>Aqua wants to chill and stream or work on project at her own pace (which she said herself as Sakuna)>Suisei is the go-getter type and wants to keep pushing the limit and work hard.It's that simple
>>90596617>>90596662wait I'm subbed to Henyaam I retareded?
>>90594448Fauna had the soft voice, the warmth, the smarts, the class, the cute giggle, the dorky laugh, the introvert gamer weeb appeal, and impossibly enjoyable and comfy yap. There's no one else.
>>90596750I choose to believe this rrat.
>>90596700too late, it's already Jonestown up in here
>>90596768I still don't understand how people give a "woopsies" on him asking to nuke a hurricane and nuh uh an election. What a joke of a country.
>>90595851I wish he was 1% as right wing as people say.
>>90596897She'll be back right away as an indie. She said she likes streaming so she'll be back.
>>90596896nigger please
>>90596750sounds about right
>>90596663https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegeniushttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVhRMzNWYcg8XDTgB9NFRTwhttps://x.com/henyathegeniushttps://www.vshojo.com/talent/henya
>>90596889I'm gonna be real with you, that's the most retarded leap in logic I've seen today
>>90596954
>>90593914the only thing selen should be covered with is a pillow. over her face.
>>90596571they love women with deep sultry american accents
>>90595851Funny how you're getting replies solely with that last point. The overlap between people who voted for a man who let a South African into the government and people who watch vtubers is worryingly high.
>>90596896My brother in Christ seek an exorcism.
>>90597024It really is, do they really contractually HAVE to do dances/singing and shit ss well? Throwing away money generators because they want to play games instead of sing is really fucking stupid if true
>>90596329>t. nutjob
>>90596896yeshuge downgrade in design too, I will never forget that
>>90597069Things are expensive mate, I can see why they did it
>>905969611. her model is ass (fixable)2. her collab partners will be ass (unfixable)
>>90596859They couldn't have done a third of what they did since without it. It's a shame things panned out like this but we can be happy it happened instead of sad that it's going.
>>90596524It's a mixture of shitposts and clueless retards who wants to blame someone else (investors) other than Cover. Yagoo and his friends have been keeping the large majority of the shares so investors have very limited, if any power over their decisions. That's why he could tell investors to fuck off when they suggested him to cut the shares of Holo and Stars. The blamed "investors" can't really force Yagoo / Cover to do anything they themselves don't want to
>>90594448Unironically Flow GlowVivi is like tickling time bomb
>>90594319>>90594201yeah hololive has a US branch based in CA so hololive would have to set up laws for that branch to not be illegal under US law
>>90597148Kiss me on the lips while you say that.
>>90597145Not even just because of that, but also because Aqua actively likes doing that kind of stuff. Also, the only actually really mandated dancing and singing they have to do is for holofes.
>late night american hours>political discussionYou fuckers just can't help yourselves, can you?
>>90597175>her collab partners will be ass (unfixable)I mean, technically... That's fixable too...
>>90597069why do leftists hate african-americans now
>>90595497>Do you think those retarded corpos and businessmen and shareholders will learn from this?Anon, with your rose-colored glasses on three sizes too tight, I've got bad news for you.It's all about incentives. If you need the line to go up to keep your job, you're going to make the line go up.
>>90596750This rrat has a hidden power
>>90597275I both don't like and like where you're going with this.
>>90595851what does that last one have to do with vtubers though
Ina and Marine will graduate. I don't have a rrat it's just all my favorites are graduating. Coco, Rushia and Marine were my favorite JP and Ame, Ina and Fauna were my favorite EN. Now it's a pattern.
>>90597409thought he was typing on bsky
Geez 2 major graduations announced in less than a week is a recordThe slowdown of the vtuber craze really is starting to die down
It's because Miko did a sponsorship with McDonalds.
>>90597145Hololive is fine with them sitting out, but then there is always the peer pressure factor. Put yourself in Aqua's shoes, would you feel fine taking it easy when everyone work hard?And yes, that's the issue. Majority of the girls are still going on with the current directions. Those who couldn't would feel alienated even if others didn't mean to.(Mori just said yesterday how she has been happy and seeing those girls graduated made her felt bad because she wondered if she was doing something wrong)
>People on twitter demanding answers when the answer is literally "management is turning to dogshit because the company is public and Yagoo has no control anymore"Fucking retards
I don't even know what it is about graduations that makes me sad anymore. Every single person I've followed that graduated immediately went to an alt persona and they're fine and streaming still. Even Kizuna Ai still shows up sometimes, everyone is still ok so why does it make me sad
>>90596786Nothing's stopping you from doing it in the inevitable LL threads once she's back at it.>>90596954You do understand he already had a 4 year nothingburger term right? He just talks shit like a retard cause it gets attention. That's different from a former president's wife and former chief of state being busted but not prosecuted for sex trafficking Haitian orphans following the Haiti disaster. Or another president intentionally arming drug cartels. Now stop being a retard you foreigner.
>>90595851Uh oh, leftoid melty
>>90597427Ina is my forever kamioshi and i probably wouldn't be upset seeing a graduation announcement about her, he's an announcement that she's going to be happier soon
>>90562666this is me just guessing on future holo's leavingit's based on their focusor, if they fit the type global owners wants or not.i really don't know as much as i should, but i'm ok with that.
>>90597427Stay away from Bae, anon
Haters were fucking right about that bitcheveryone knows she has no fucking reason to leave except money.That's why she is reading a fucking textbook on her graduation announcement. Nothing to be emotional here at all
>>90597563BUT HOW IS MANAGEMENT DOGSHITYOU CANT JUST SAY "I DONT LIKE MY BOSS"YOU NEED TO SAY WHAT THE BOSS DID WRONG
>>90597275just sayin, if anyone was missing Sana-Fauna collabs? That's just one thing that came back into play.
>>90597571>I don't even know what it is about graduations that makes me sad anymore.death of character you're invested in?
anyone else not care anymore
knew shit was fucked at cover when they canned the haato vs haachama arc
>>90597605>he'styping is hard
>>90597192>Yagoo and his friends have been keeping the large majority of the shares so investors have very limited, if any power over their decisions.i'm not saying yagoo isnt at fault, but that's a retarded thing to sayhenry ford owned more than 50% of his company's stocks but the government told him the people who owned 10% were allowed to decide what the company does over him
https://x.com/MintFantome/status/1863085973975740658
>>90597563How does someone with majority of the share lose control of the company?
>>90583950
>>90597685they want you to not care. that's how they win.
>>90597624I would change "Not possible" to "Not possible YET" and Pekora should go way way to the right
>>90593848Don't pretend that Rushia wasn't 100% in the wrong, literally brought every single thing that happened to her onto herself. It's a wonder she even lasted as long as she did. Everyone else you can feel sorry for, but don't feel sorry for a liar being caught in the act.
>>90595851>>some insane right-wing nutjob is about to rule AmericaYou're fucking insane if you wanted another four years of basically this administration instead.
>>90597676Sana's RM barely streams
>>90597675>if the info isn't actually illegal acts(even under US law) >if it pertains to cover trade secrets>if it involves info that would doxx the other talentsthey can't spill what's wrong with management.
>>90597563what they mean is they wanna hear from the girls exactly how they're getting screwed.
>>90597605Ina did get what she wanted from Hololive, she got to do something outside of her comfort zone and she made some friends.Thing is if she quit and went Indi or something I dont know if she could do that stuff under her own power
>>90597828Maybe it's because she didn't have a collab partner?(This is massive cope)
>>90597675>YOU NEED TO SAY WHAT THE BOSS DID WRONGNDA
>>90596961I will follow her, but it will never be the same again. And I'm really not looking forward to dealing with the twitch/discord culture.
>>90597427the pattern is that you like lazy people
>>90597768ignorance of global culture
>>90597750no... :(
>>90597145They've talked plenty of times over the years about the perceived pressure. Look at what Bae did to herself then Bae trying to warn FWMC and others even when FWMC were hellbent on making this chance stick after how hard they tried for so long
fauna would be pretty stupid to use her old account instead of doing a fresh start with a new one
>>90597783Hololive has lost too many talents that it doesn't feel like Hololive anymore
>>90597679that will resurface not even one day later on a new account
>>90596524Financiers who don't understand the industry enough to hold management accountable, or even temper their own demands.
>>90597069Shiori voted for him
tfw>Come home>See stream "Not that serious" in title"Oh this is just some girl b.s. nothing to worry about">"I'm graduating"WTF
>>90597192Yet we have holoearth and other dumb shit>>90597224Vivi already announced her graduation or is there another?
>>90597983not the same character you've invested in tho
>>90597563Because they want to know exactly what the issue is."I don't agree with the management" is too wide of a net
>>90597750Mint posters owe me sex
>>90597733nigger it's a nip corpo
>>90562666no
I now realize this is why she agreed to play leauge of legends. There was no way you could convince a Dotafag to play leauge unless you were gonna graduate
>>90597768Opening yourself to public investment doesn't just open you to potential control of other share holders. It also opens you up to legal liabilities if they want to make the argument that you're tanking the company on purpose. This is the kind of accusation ubisoft is facing now. Not upholding contracts and other such things can be used as evidence of malfeasance if the company stock price starts diving due to unrelated circumstances.
>>90597811Pekora is in the same column as Fubuki, mind you.i like Peko too, but truth is she's not that tied into the Idol culture, and she's primarily a comedian / gamer.
Goddamnit I'll still follow her to her indie but her Fauna design was so perfect, anything else is a step down.
>>90597624Miko belongs in her own category of "Executioner"
So who's gonna spill the beans?
>>90597563>turningIt's been bad since the start of EN. >>90597427Marine and Fubuki will probably have to have a cage match against Miko and Suisei to be the last out the door.Ina might dip it'll depend on if Cover's willing to loosen up and free her from the trip obligations after they fucked her over on purpose.
>>90598078the US has owned japan since WW2
>>90598041This anon misread "Important Announcement (the serious kind)" as Not that serious
>>90597953Why? Loads of people already know who she was and will know what it means if her old account starts being active again. It'll get her more views than if she made a new account and had to explain to everyone that it's her.
Wbat do Miko and Suisei have to do with Fauna I just got here
shondo wonshe replaced the green woman with a better one
>>90597624Ayame and Miko in not possibleIroha in likelySubaru and Haachama in possiblyI would also swap Marine and Mio
DAMN, DAMN, DAMN!Good luck Fauna, wherever you go off to next ;_;7
>>90598230If that was true, Nintendo would be owned by Microsoft.
>>90597409>>90597768they started eating burgers>>90597733 >>90597733 >>90597733
>>90598154Mel might have survived her final pon if the company was still private. Liability is a bitch.
>>90598252An anon accurately predicted this announcement several days in advance and specifically claimed Miko and Suisei were responsible. Potential internal leaker that is also fed up with things. Normally just a rrat, but the named exactly who and what day they'd announce the graduation, so almonds have been activated.
>>90598116FuckAs a DoTAfag you are 100% correct
>>90598212>Marine and Fubuki will probably have to have a cage match against Miko and Suisei to be the last out the door.ThisIna is the most unlike the present guessed future Hololive sees for itself.INA is literally THE most likely to graduate next.
>>90597822>Why yes I'd like the grifter version of current administration instead please!? Do you think grifting works like negative numbers in math or something instead of becoming an exponent?
>>90598277If Okayu dips Subaru will be very tempted
>>90598261>The new green woman is literally a puppetHuh
>>90598252>>90596227
lmao Hololive more like Holoslopenjoy corporate slop being pushed by the very oshis you love
>>90597624likely>shion>korone>flare>guranot possible>miko>pekora>noel
>>90598402how/why are Miko and Suisei running things at hololive?
>>90598447So it's not gonna be that much different. So what're you getting assflustered about then?
>>90598426Please stop I'm going to run out of comfort streamers
>>90598449Oh absolutely.But to be honest between the two I find Okayu to be more mentally stable
>>90596954>Babe it's 3am wake up, 300k votes just hit the desk and they're all for one guy.You forget when miss "It's her turn" blamed Russia when she got shitstomped so hard the rigging wasn't enough last time. Since you don't live here please hold back on commenting or at least do your fucking reps on a banana republic hellhole. It's not fucking hard.>>90598252Nijiniggers are just trying to rerun the Elirashit but replaced with Suisei.
>>90598163NTA, but Pekora is the type that can adapt. She loves being among the top so there is no way she is leaving Hololive anytime soon unless they crash and burn (which won't happen in near future).
>>90597906>Getting paid by YouTube>Versus>Getting paid by Chinese game company that has actual competition
>>90562666thanks satan
>>90598598Still blaming nijiniggers when talents are graduating left and right?Also didn't know a nijinigger is a cover intern.
>>90598599So, Peko would go Black Company Cog while Fubuki burns at the stake?
>>90580605Apparently there was so much company obligation that they lost 3 of their top 4 talents after changing the contract terms, and they were lucky to survive that.
>Fauna stays>but one EN must graduate in her placewho is it gonna be /vt/?
>>90598426It'll be PekoMari vs MiComet. Fubuki will show up with everyone assuming she's there to help PekoMari, only to turn on them and form the hWo with MiComet.
>>90598599She also complains about the management every other dayNot that I thing she's going to leave soon but it's definitely not impossible
>>90598733mumei...
>>90598733Mori
the year is not over yet. Should I prepare for more announcements?
>>90598402NTAWhat is the reasoning for Miko Suisei wanting to axe people? Did they ever even interact with Fauna?
>>9059884612th
>>90598846yeahgura christmas stream
>>90598857The reason given is she has a long nose and Miko is fat
>>90598693If anyone thinks FBK is leaving soon, they are retarded
>>90595869>b-b-but what if every statement made in reality that i don't like is a lieretard as seen by many holos like ERB they have complete freedom to choose their personafauna wouldn't have picked "gaming idol kirin" if she hated it
>>90598857They don't want to axe people retard.They changed hololive's direction and holos including Fauna disagree with it and chose to graduate.
>>90598846no updates from gura means there's more coming
>>90598925Did she stream last christmas?
>>90595196https://files.catbox.moe/394ccj.webm
>>90598925In this economy?
>>90596524There wasn't really any choice. It was either that or selling the company.
>>90598925I would clap
>>90598846Yagoo replied to both Fauna and Chloe's graduation announcement at the same time just now so there shouldn't be any plannedDon't know if any girl might go rogue, but probably not
>>90598846Yes.
I think 5 departures in less than 12 months is pretty concerning and there's still a month left.
>>90598925HAHAAAHAHA HAHAHAHAbe real, anon
>>90596524just look at the type of shareholders nintendo has to deal with
>>90598982how would have aqua and chloe not fit in that direction if they did essentially the same things as them?
its a nightmare i cant wake up from
>>90598576Did you... did you actually fail middle-school level math? Gura is that you??
>>90598925Lol...
>>90598939>Miko is fatI guess we can confirm Calli, Polka, Okayu, Korone, and Botan are also in the clique.
>>90599059That's an unreal cope, they could have just asked Lamy's family for a loan. They just got greedy.
>>90598925>on today's episode of 'That'll Never Happen'
>>90595963Losing Mori or FWMC. They are basically the most popular (not counting Gura) members of HoloENThey both seem happy enough, though
>>90599100You couldn't pay me the moon's weight in diamonds to take a company I made with my own two hands public. Shareholders are literal subhumans.t. Used to participate in various investment circles
>>90597624>FWMCOnly if certain things break>Kiara0 chance unless there's a clique she's not part of that wants her out>IDHas been immune to a lot of the drama recently so I can't see it>Koyorino chance unless she burns out>Mikono chance unless these rumors are proven true which I doubt will be confirmed at all>AyameShould be gone but won't>ChocoWhat does she even do?
>>90599134No I... no I didn't. What are... what are you getting at? What does... what does math... have to do with that?
>>90598925Jesas. Any stream announcement from gura will be met with abated breath... rrats... lots of rrats.
>>90598982The direction meaning towards idol stuff? Fauna said she was into the idol stuff though. Sorry, I guess I'm missing something here.>>90598939I believe it.
>>90599234
>>90599272Yeah these money men are for real insects.They dont care about enything but making money. Anything.
>>90598925After the six hours of sex marathon maybe.
>>90599234They didn't lack money. Yagoo said that they had enough fundings for their projects for the next 5 years in the interview when they went IPO.They went public because they wanted to give the initial investors a chance to cash out.
>>90599025I had to go find this same clip in my folder. It's been a hot minute since I've seen it.
>>90597624man I cant imagine fwmc ever going
>>90599362The idol dream is dead, long live the idol dream
>>90595963maybe one more graduation or some indefinite hiatus thrown in some 6 months from now on
>>90596700>she still loves youThat's the bit I'm afraid of
>>90598939And her husband is controlling her every move.
>>90598733ERB. Total fucking nothingburger.
>>90596750People want to believe that all the graduations on JP are related to the same issue but realistically that's unlikely. On the EN side, this is plausible.
>>90597585> He just talks shit like a retard cause it gets attentionThat's fine but the problem is once he's in office the random retard talk becomes orders to the govt that HAVE to be taken seriously. Like there's zero chance he's going to remember some random joke 6 months ago about ending elections forever, but you still have a literal retard with no moral compass running the country. Plus the neonazis love him and just had a victory parade, but you can't say that or conservatives will cry about being called nazis again.> random conspiracy bullshitsad
>>90599504I sort of can. Given their explosive success and rarity I'm sure they'd get plenty of good offers if they do decide to leave. They're weeaboos, not Cover fans.
>>90599100>we appreciate these valuable comments from the shareholdersPolitest "please shut up" I've ever seen.
>>90598846I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we got one more surprise graduation to close out the year in December
I have no idea why some of you are still saying that it's because of the idol stuffs when Aqua has 2 or 3 Sololives and Fauna straight up admitting she likes singing and dancing
>>90595963Them hiring a lot of people but couldn't make a talent stay means that management is bloated. Kinda like DEI but I guess it haven't reared it's ugly head yet.
>>90599764Just typical anti-idol cucks using this situation to further their agenda.
>>90599732Can you shut the fuck up about your burger politics in this thread
>>90599745>Given their explosive success and rarity I'm sure they'd get plenty of good offers if they do decide to leave.sure but how many of those offers are going to get the platform they have now?
>>90585624>I don't think anyone in Holo has any attachment to her.If you haven't noticed, Gura's oshi and her friends are the ones who left and are leaving. And Mumei is on hiatus.
>>90596417how is Omega in any way related to the current management situation?
>>90600048Wasn't Gura's oshi Shion?
she abandoned her fans and friends
I dont think <it's over>, but it's now a clear downtrend towards that point. Holo needs to hit all their fire alarms and fix shit right now
>>90600192for loliconbux, yes
>>90600192no
Well at least parrot will get out of the nijimines for once.
Cover is doing just fine
>>90597605>Graduates>Goes back to freelancing and the occasional art stream cause she misses it>Collabs with indies when she feels like it>Nonzero chance of affiliate so she can hang out with her friends onstreamI'd like to say Cover will make peace with Ina but if they could they wouldn't have let things get to this point>>90597624FWMC, Fubuki, Okayu, and Korone are solidly in not possible. FWMC has tried so hard for so long to break out they'll never let go.I'd have said most of the ID girls are fine before this hostage situation.>>90599732Please cease being a retarded foreigner over things you don't understand on the vtuber board holy shit you colossal retard. The aide they used as a fall girl got 6 years in prison over it and they pulled presidential immunity then buried it over fast and furious so I cannot stress enough. Fuck Off you ignorant idiot.
was Fauna really reading a script for her announcement??
>>90598733If I could choose it would be Kiara for maximum butthurt
>>90600360it's less than 5 minutes long anon can you really not check yourself?
>>90596750Between Bae, FuwaMoco, and potentially Zeta, I could see this being the reason (granted, FuwaMoco were probably looking to move to Japan the second they had the mans). Fauna likely doesn't want to move to a completely foreign country with a language she doesn't know, in addition to leaving friends and family behind.
>>90600360That's how she always sounds like when streaming
>>90599882>janny got mad at this for some reasonlol? nice to see we have holo antis in the janny team
>>90597624Nerissa wouldn't last long in this corpo
In other breaking news, I love IRyS.
>>90597953dokibird did a reset that you might as well call a fresh start
>>90600198Between the remaining Myth, Promise, and 2 relatively new gens since then, the EN branch is probably still doing better than 2021/2022. As long as they keep getting fresh blood, they'll be fine. From Advent onwards, they actually seem to know what they signed up for.
>>90600299I feel sorry for the parrot, this isn't a good day to be out of the mines
>>90598786Anti, you wish!Like Suisei, Mori is there doing what Yagoo wants, and she's prospering.Mori is married to Hololive>>90598964She may, if Hololive switches to a modernist globalist corp. FBK is more JP than many think.She's a westaboo-lite.If she had to chose one and kill the other she'd shoot USA to save Japan.
>>90598733kiara or kronii for the asshurt
>>90600566Me too, anon. This dum dum isn't going to leave us in foreseeable future
>>90600181Nothing, he was bad management back then so it's a relatable point of reference. Fauna blaming "management" is on the borderline of bad idea but going full on scorched earth in your graduation announcement we be more risk than is sensible. Let alone people wanting Fauna to full Zaion "management"
QRD on what has changed so much internally to cause talents to leave?
>>90596055Suisei schizo is a butthurt EN fag jealous of her success. He probably thinks that an EN streamer should be in her spot. He cries all over the board constantly. He hates Miko because of association. And now Fubuki apparently as well. Probably a Gura faggot seething that his oshi is a failed shitter.
>>90600579*coughERBcough*
>>90600667Why would she leave a job she had to beg her husband for?
>>90600687Miko changed the direction of hololive and holos didn't like it.
>>90600451>Between Bae, FuwaMoco, and potentially Zeta,Don't forget Biboo.
>>90600451It's a weird situation cause Cover just can't go build a 3d studio in ID or Burger and it's expensive to keep flying them out willy nilly. Especially now that they're public. The talents that saw the writing on the wall that you need to be in japan or it's going to be rough moved like Bae and FWMC did.
>>90600687Cover went public, shareholders are retards and will run the company into the ground. The smart ones are jumping ship now before things get really shitty.
>>90600687men were allowed into holoEN and in a brave stand against dicks fauna decided to leave after a 2 year long internal battle with management
>>90599644yeah, but sadly, she's the kind of nothingburger nuCover wants.
>>90562666how long until she collabs with a male?
>>90600579are you really suggesting the accelerate approach
>Jap company is horribly mismanaged, bordering on malfeasantand water is wet
>>90600615his hell continues, kek.
>>90600451So RIP Kronii, Nerrisa, Shiori, Mumei (also fails to explain Ina's situation) Gura, Kiara... did I miss anyone?
>>90600687they just wanted to play video games and now they're forced to be idols n sheeeit
>>90600548but they love gay people!
>>90600687No one knows.Every single one of them is blaming muh management and yet we don't have a single clue about what the fuck it is about the management that they actually don't like.>inb4 it's about them forcing more idol stuffs into streamingThey also explicitly said that wasn't the case.
>>90600754Don't remember her begging me
>>90600667How would she leave? That dumb bitch lives in Japan, she is so easy.
>>90597624All your possibly should be in not possible except for Luna. Bae should be in Possibly. Gura is too big to graduate. ID aren't going to leave lol.
>>90600667Anon, she's been complaining about management since basically debut, as more and more EN girls leave and remain successful, the more attractive the prospect of leaving is gonna get.
>>90600687We only have speculation and will likely never know. Fauna even went out of her way to explicitly say she was fine with the idolshit she's mad at management. You can go read chloe's announcement and listen to Laplus talk about it.
>>90600687https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGYACwDiOyU
in spite of the world's chaos somehow nothing ever happens
>>90596750That doesn't explain the JP graduations.
>>90600920Have they raged against occasional recording trips? It's not like they're super wanting to do idolshit either so they're not chafing over the studio autism.
>>90601000Could just be a simple case of upper management being numberfags>Hey go stream this game>Hey, hey this game is doing numbers, why are you not streaming lethal company 5 days a week? What? You want to play outer wilds? That game has bad numbers don't stream it, go stream fomoslop now yes? Yes?
what are the chances that talent were just lazy and wants to graduate
>>90601128>>90601100
>>90600909It's honestly amazing knowing the level of deliberation and consensus that underlies their decisions because of Japanese management culture, and then setting that against the utterly delusional self-destructive insanity of the decisions themselves. The greatest threat to Hololive, by far, is its own managers.
>>90600920Kiara's fine living in Japan, but yeah Nerissa seems like the type that would NEVER move away from her family for a career.>>90601128A lot of things change when a company goes public, odds are there are multiple problems, probably compounding on each other until each talent reaches their own breaking point.
>>90600687A-sama's departure left a gap for the fat slumlord Oiran Miko-cha herself to slither in like a monitor lizard and change the course of the company, making moves to ban internal sex between the Holos and Homos because she was jealous none wanted her stank rancid cooter.
>>90601128probably differnet reasonswhich is worsethat means Cover has multiple issues to sort out instead of 1
Why doesn't ID have these problems? Is Islam just that powerful?
>>90601209>Shareholders>Caring about merchlmao all they care about is the line on the graph going up and you get that by selling merch and concert tickets, not getting pocket change through superchats
>>90601328god-tier managers
>>90601305We'll know this is true if mods delete it
>>90600451Fauna hates the food. Everything else who gives a fuck, someone who cares about those things isn't going to get into the line of work she did.
>Suddenly niji 3DFuck you fuck you fuck you
Her indie asmr was always better so this is a good thing.
>>90601356>Shareholders>Upper managementNiggy please read properly before you write a reply.
>>90595204Close enough.
ID are very poor compared to EN and JPthey don't want to leave the gravy train even if it means tolerating change in their day-to-day operations, leaving would mean that they will become literal nobodies which is something they never want to happensimple as
>>90596750Would never work, why doesn't Kiara move then?
>>90601328Permanent boot-to-neck syndrome keeping the talents from fucking up too much or caring if they're mistreated thanks to living in a dead country. Except for the rich lesbian, it's just happy to be around a lot of other women and have an excuse to "act" gay.
>>90601328where else would they go?
>>90601420God I hope she does ear licking and lewd asmr
>>90601328ID keeps quiet because they know they will not get a second chance like that.
>>90601416seethe
>>90601056That's old news. If you actually watch her, she has been really happy this year with her new mane-chan. Literally just told her fans she isn't going to graduate anytime soon last week.As long as she can still do 3D lives, she isn't leaving since no other option provides easy access to a proper, (relatively) affordable 3D studio. Remember how Kiara said she tried to look for an external studio and it costs hundred thousands dollars each session? That's why most of the girls who enjoy performing in 3D won't leave
>>90601328Because if they left they would have to go back to flipping burgers at 1/hr wages.
>>90601446to >>90601328
>>90601435Management will only push what the shareholders want. Which is merch and ticket sales. That's why they forced Ame to shill merch during her graduation stream. That's why they always dig Gura out of her mold den for events, because she can sell tickets.
>>90601328The only ones that care about them are having a good time. It's honestly beautiful to see outside of the couple times Cover's fucked their shit up.
>>90601328Because they are thirdies and need the moneyt. hirdie
>she got firedliterally how
>>90601060We'll probably never know until something finally leaks, don't know how long it'll be till someone gets pissed off with management politics that it happens though.
So from what I've been reading there are 2 factions in hololive, one with Miko as the leader of management pet and one with Pekora as the leader of the resistance?Did I get that right?
>>90595318doob already explained it, it's because management's only role since going public is to say "no" to anything the talents ask so as to minimize any sort of riskbasically cover is walking the exact same path as anycolor now
>>90601454Kiara constantly expresses feelings of FOMO when an EN that's not her is visiting Japan for work.
>>90601328I doubt they have better opportunities where they live...
>>90601060The fact that Fauna explicitly lied is weird. It kinda supports the idea talents are told to blame things on management for the sake of kayfabe in the same way they are told to blame things on recordings when they don't stream.
She is dancing away from you nowShe was just a wish, she was just a wishAnd her memory is all that is left for you nowYou see your KirinOh, you see your Kirinuuuu
>>90601678Which is funny, because most if it is totally riskless.
>>90601678>doobYou meant the orc. Doob never said that
>>90601416Fuck what? Be happy for them. They don't have anything good in their lives after 9 graduations and like 4 hiatuses. Focus on your oshi instead of wasting energy hating dude.
>>90594779That's a good description. I know it was an act to a certain extent, but it was a comfortable one (esp when combined with her soft voice) to listen to. While I can see their attraction, her would-be replacements are either too loud or too accented, or just plain too tiktok-ey.
>>90601669>"McDonalds wants you to sponsor their vegan lineup">Fauna, a vegan, wants nothing to do with McDonalds so refuses>"Do it or you're fired">Still refuses>Gets fired
>>90601772hating niji is all the boot lickers have left. just let them have this
Who's gonna be the Selen of Hololive?
>>90601721Fauna didn't lie. She is fine with doing idols stuffs.What she wasn't fine with was travelling to JP, but that is another thing
>>90601328sex with holo muslims
>>90601368Plus ID is fucking tiny compared to the other branches and most of them know well enough to keep their heads down.
>>90601328Because other jobs treat you even worse there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK2UyDHEdnY&t=574s
>>90601880I don't really want to say it but.... chances are it's Ina
>>90601772No fuck them they are doing this on purpouse can't you see they are mocking us??
>>90601454Kiara used to live in Japan and they refused to give her a work visa.
Oh it's a straight graduation instead of affiliate
I wonder what motivates people to suck corpo cock all day long.
>>90602000Trips confirm. Put me in the screenshot!
LMAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOO
>>90601886I think she was fine with travelling to Japan once in a while for big events. She probably got tired of being treated like a second-class employee for being unwilling to unroot her entire life and relocate to Japan permanently.
>>90601328>Is Islam just that powerful?lolno. One million rupiah, the currency in Indonesia, is equivalent to $60. Think about that for a second and you'll have the answer to why none of the IDs want to quit Hololive.
>>90602099as some other anons were just discussing, it's probably because they're southeast asians who are used to having no money or basic human rights.
>>90602000She is too chill to cause a Selen
>>90601977>why is Vshojo not exploiting me? are they stupid?Asians...
>>90588135>I want just ONE ex-hololive to spill the beans and go nuclear about what actually goes on behind the scenes, just every detail thats fucked up.Hololive talents have too much to lose and there is zero chance that anyone who worked there for several years would do that. If even Sana, Vesper, and Magni only made vague complaints than we aren't going to hear a bad word from Fauna. The problem is that Cover knows this and they have little reason to improve the garbage situation with management unless revenue starts going down.
>>90602217You're thinking of the wrong thing.
>>90602000>Bae was keeping an eye on Ina after a breakdown during her anniversary stream
>>90602099I just want the VTubing scene to remain alive until a group that can rival Hololive appears
>>90602337She won't commit a hero and her possible graduation won't lead to any exodus like Selen shock.Did you mean something else?
>>90588009This. I don't get why when obviously sweaty, anxiety-ridden gamer-neet girls who didn't pop off in terms of being physically attractive until after high school hang out, it's 'HOLY SHIT THEY ARE TOTALLY PEACH PUMMELING'. Sure, the average woman who's a microwaved slop brainlet has no problem being sapphic, but austimo anyones don't behave like that. Retarded takes like that smack more of 'I'm a fat, unfriendly bitch from lolcow and can't get over why mildly friendly nobodies have an audience and I don't' than anything.The reason people hate Fauna is because LemonLeaf ran in the same ASMR circles as Shondo, DTL, Vary, Tashi, Babypink, Vivi, MotherMacabre, and all the other borderline/outright lewd ASMR video publishers prior to YouTube axing that stuff. They're a group that has never run with a filter on anything because they, like a lot of Myth, are old-school board lurkers that were probably shit-posting when at the time /pol/ was spun off of /b/. She fucking watches Northernlion; who else but a supreme autismo would watch a guy who only plays AutoPets/BoI/Slay the Spire or hope Nick & Rob would stop being dramafags to revive the NLSS (as if it would be good in such a turbo on-rails society these days)? This shit isn't deep; it's fucking retarded high-school girl sperging on all sides from no views and idolqueefs who are mad someone they thought was following golemic automaton programming decided to buck the code.Watch her when she moves if you want, don't watch her if you don't; it's that simple. Hate-watching is for morons who should be in an asylum, because they could easily solve all their problems by touching grass, but they won't because then that irradiates all of their 'woe is me, big sad, so much suffering' nonsense they THRIVE on. The internet and giving freezer temp IQ people a voice was a massive fucking mistake.
>cover goes public>wants talents to steams less>investors want them to become more of an idol company>move into more traditional media rolesthey're trying to sleep the talent, I can feel it.
>>90602165People don't understand how taxing and expensive it is to fly to Japan. You're talking about a round trip that is 24+ hours not to mention the thousands of dollars in the plane ticket and hotels
>>90597733Crazy how Ford is better than Dodge now. Who will overtake Cover?
>>90587432Ame was there
>>90602560What's funny is this is the worst time to do that. Traditional media is out the fuckign door but all the shareholders are stubborn boomers. Streaming is insanely profitable
>>90602594for like a grand total of 2 hours..
>>90602395
>>90602180it has nothing to do with their currencyIDs are just so small, in viewership, that if they leave they would basically have no audience lefteven the smallest JP is bigger than the biggest ID
>>90602560with the current revenue structure in hololive, stakeholders literally profit more from the girls streaming less. cover is fucked.
>>90602395Not gonna happen. Every single entertainment industry that can make a profit is being milked out and turned to shit by a corporate greed. Movies, video games, vtubing, you name it.
>>90587432Nenechi..Lamy..
>>90602707massive respect to these guys letting their talents keep their channels, I was always a fan of Nene and Shee.
>>90602661you know that japanese, 1 step forward after 50 years being tied to some old fuck that refuses to die>>90602724elaborate
>>90602479>She won'tLets hope so.
>>90602724Do we know know the profit structure?
>>90602774Thank you holofren. >I was always a fan of Nene and SheeThey are both indie debuting right now as it happenshttps://youtu.be/YkoGTFmEeQAhttps://youtu.be/SD6DAN8SQ80
>>90602781Their country is lying dying and it's infuriating to watch. They have a rich culture of incredible adaptation. Same with Korea. Miracle on the Han river and Meiji restoration. And then their post war miracles But now both countries just have this old fart boomer generation that refused to die and will literally kill their country, race, and culture out of greed
>>90599272>>90599100Shareholders truly are inhuman. But Hololive should have known that and never gone public in the first place so the blame still rests with whatever person(s) thought to let them in.
>>90602395surely it cant be this hard to make a vtuber group that isnt dogshit ass/completely toxic towards the talent right?If I had money and connections Id do it myself
>>90586541Im mad they're alive
>>90602948Na, they are doing good by gatekeeping westoids with their shitty "values"
>>90602807>>90602781see this.licensing revenue is what they get from all the brand deals they've recently been making, and they've done even more this year than in 2023. the more girls stream, even with every element of every stream going through management approval, the more chances for someone to lower the IPs value by causing a scandal, and the less valuable their shares become.
>>90602961They ironically waste a ton of money on requiring people come to Japan so often
>>90602948Korea is so much more fucked that it's not even an appropriate comparison. Korea might actually fucking collapse but Japan is big enough to weather the storm
>>90603040You know jack shit about japanese history
all the way down the ladder
>>90602948yup, beyond conservative, literally static. they do this all the time, find a thing that works and then stick with that version forever.>>90603044if they don't stream they have no popularity to make brand deals though
>>90603123All I know if they let western cucks in, they will "culturally enrich" their country and make Tokyo look like Paris/London
>>90599272If my startup ever becomes public, that means I'm probably dead in a ditch somewhere.
>join an idol company>leave when you have to do idolshitlol
>>90588564Oh piss on a log and call yourself toad stool. Stop it
>>90603050Thats what I meanSeriously it wouldnt be hard just get 5 cute sounding girls and 1 artist to make models for them and let them slowly become popular. Get merch made for them and give them freedom to do whatever they want and dont force them into shit they dont want to doIts hard to believe that the only reason stopping something like this from happening isnt pure greed
>>90602961In all fairness, yes, probably. You both need to push for progress (since a group can't reach the top with just streaming nowadays), deal with possible legal matters, and keep everyone happy (different members prefer different things, some might even have conflicting interests).Making a group of streamers is probably easy enough with money, but they aren't reaching Hololive / VShojo / Niji level of popularity that way
>>90603044stop buying merchstop watching ad streamsstop going to events
>>90603184>if they don't stream they have no popularity to make brand deals thoughyes, you're making logical sense about long-term success. we're talking about shareholders though
>>90603050Didn't Ame try and spearhead setting up a studio in LA to avoid moving them to Japan all the damn time? Did they also want to do that so they could have easier access to importing merchandise into the states through the port of LA?
>>90602560>yu...toob...? Nani? Is that a new fax machine model?
Miko whenever Fauna expressed interest in visiting Japan.
>>90603040Shitty values like what? expecting to be paid for overtime?
>>90603323ah yes my mistake sorry I was thinking in human logic not investor logic.>>90603348and they call the french frogs..
>>90603289How slowly are you talking about, anon? Plenty of indies had to leave the hobby because most people can't afford to waste years of their lives.
>>90602560>go public>company turns to shitclassic
>>90600687>forced to do idol activities (dance lessons, singing, traveling to Japan for recording) >proposals for creative streams are rejected >stream ideas are stolen and used by other members or management >no permission to play the games they want >forced to participate in company-mandated events >forced to get along with holomembers or cliques they dislike >a lot of MTG
it's funny, you guys don't seem to be able to understand that cover is gradually removing all the "flesh and bones" talents to become a full AI talent companyAIs don't need to rest, AIs don't need to sign contracts and don't ask for money
>>90602560This is absolutely short-sighted investor idiocy.>why do we have so many resources dedicated to streaming, which only brings peanuts?>cut that out, and focus on the stuff that really brings in cash, like merch, events and sponsors>fast-forward a couple of years>merch sales plummet, event attendance drops and sponsorships dry out, because the only reason people cared about those in the first place was because of forming parasocial relationships through streams
>>90603332Ame's studio isn't really up to standards for anything of quality but home3D for now
I'm a brat and just stopping by to leave my condolences, first the council shuttered and now a promise has been broken. Holo EN gen 2 was when I joined so while ame leaving hurt this one cuts deeper whatever you choose no shame but try to keep living at the very least, fauna wants it that way.
>>90602807Did you ever read any of the quarterly reports?
Ffs she's the only council stream I still watch
>>90603572What does Magic The Gathering have to do with this?
>>90603332Victim of cost cutting when they went public. Minimize the risks to maximize the quarterly gains.
How do you think a chuuba would feel if someone actually filmed themselves committing suicide and stating their oshi graduating as the reason?
>>90603096I genuinely believe that South Korea was chosen to see the effects of rapid industrialization and late stage capitalism. people seem to forget that Korea was a 3rd world dictatorship until the mid 1980s .
>>90603591Last I've heard vedal hasn't started franchising.
>>90603623Right, which is why they were going to build a real studio.>>90603725figures, what a joke
>>90603620>investorsLet's not pretend that majority of the girls don't love that, anon
>>90603242clipwatcher-sama, she flat-out said she liked doing idol concerts
why do japanese corpo boomers keep trying to make everyone sing and dance. Dont they know the west doesn't care about that shit
>>90603044MTG Secret Lair vibes
>>90603736they were run by a moon cult of crazy women until like 6 years ago
>>90603480I dont know how slowly specifically but definitely slowly than what hololive seems to do of churning another group out every 6 monthsGive a small group of girls that are dedicated enough time to grow and actually nurture them instead of forcing them into different avenues that they dont want to go down. Id also imagine a lot of these indies fail/give up is purely because of being indie and not having the luxury of being in a group where ones popularity feeds into the others
>>90603736Maybe not on purpose, but 100% richheads from across the world are watching South Korea and trying to figure out how they can do the same thing without losing any profits.
>>90603828corpos like it anonMiko's deal with McDonalds must have been a fucking goldmine that Yagoo saw it and immediately signed a decree that it's now officially an 'idol' agency
>>90602560yeah they can tell if you thirst the audience they will buy more. counter intuitive to how they became big in the first place because they don't want to spoil their brand. Face it the talents aren't of the same mind as the suits. The suits want to bleed them for slow but safe profit instead of supporting them in certain scenarios.
>>90603828>implying they care about the west
>>90562666So Fauner will properly graduate instead of being an affiliate or whatever nonsense to still get paid?
>>90604015you cant join another streaming group and stay an affiliate
>>90603828Explain the popularity of kpop in the west?
>>90603230tokyo is already overrun by indians and southeast asians you retard
>Damage controlR-Rrat?
>>90603883honestly, the new meta is probably to join a big corpo like hololive for a year or two then bounce when you get a good following. Fastest, easiest way to grow your brand is with them at the moment.
>>90604058OPPA GANGNAM STYLE
>>90603951Yagoo is just a figurehead now.
>>90595601Hot, I want to urinate on Flare
>>90604103Funny orange chinese girl. Very cool.
>>90604079>joining holocorp>fastest and easiest
>>90602537holy based
>>90603572>a lot of Magic the gatheringWhat's wrong with that?
>>90604067No rrat, she just has yagoo's japanese micro penis down her throat all the time
>>90604057Agua hasn't joined any group (yet) and also isn't an affiliate right?
>>90604079100% right. All these girls going indie are going to do crazy numbers purely off the back of being known from a big company
>>90562666>A gorillion other indie groups and corpos, some as old as Hololive, are being more stable than Hololive, even fucking Phase is more stable right nowWhat the fuck?!?!?!, how?
>>90586683The talent that got that option were offered it after many months of talks in regards quitting.Fauna just told Management she was not willing to comply with what the corporation is asking and decided to opt out.Gura is leaving in 2025.Ina is not going to come back and will remain in hiatus for over a year before people start seeing her streaming as an indie and it becomes official.Kiara will be the last to leave.Calliope will be the last talent left of Myth in 2026.This is not a skitzo post.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icoRdEwYzAQ
>>90604213Wizards sold out and they are neck deep in dei.
>>90598230ww2 was a hundred fucking years ago anon
>>90604259there are probably other things you have to agree to
>>90602180It's pointless to think of currency this way, it's basically apples to oranges. Just compare INR to KRW. Their economy sucks but not for this reason.
>>90604067Just like what Mori said yesterday, anon.Most of the girls are still fine with the current direction. Those few who aren't, graduate. The doomposting online drags morale of everyone down.With that said, obviously the girls who are fine with it would try to raise it back up
>Sticky for Fauna>No sticky for ChloeExplain?
>>90604067>the micomet shadowmanagement rrat isreal>ISREAL
>>90604286
>>90604259She said she will be taking it easy and do things at her pace. She probably won't be joining any group soon (I meant, is there even another group she prefers?)
>>90604397EOPs have plagued this community since 2020
>>90604397I think there was one, actually, though I dun have the number off hand.
>>90604067this reads like the typical "ganbaruzo!" tweet that half the holos make after someone graduates.
>>90604386the problem is that there's just too much work given to the talentscover is hiring hundreds of people a year and they've never been busierthey need to stream or people will forget them
>>90604386Mori is a workaholic with like 7 careers, she's an outlier.
>>90562666She's pregnant and getting married.Source: my ass
All of council will graduate, leaving irys alone again and they'll strip her of her new skin, 3d and outfits to reinstate Project Hope
>>90604386Yeah there's a lot of morale going down because of certain practices alright...Shame there's nothing to be done about them, truly its impossible to change.Its all the doomers bringing down morale, not ANYTHING else.
>>90604286i'll bite. i will screencap this, see what happens.
The thing that suprises me is that on her anniversary, Fauna during her reactception stream was clearly setting up jokes for Future Fauna to respond to next anniversary. Something seriously must have happened in the last 3 months.
So this is why Justice debuted so soon after Advent
>>90604516>>90604397https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/90445636/#q90445636
>>90604067
>>90604386Mori can shut the fuck up, she was always trying to push her ideology onto the company. I still don't understand why people pay any attention to what that woman say.
>>90604599cover is probably enforcing new policies for next year or restructured her contract in a way that was disagreeable to her
>>90604682>my oshi is in the resistanceDAS RITE
>>90604682Pekor can easily win if she sues Miko for rape.
>>90604658Ame was the reason, this Fauna graduation wasn't planned.
>>90604067miko swallowed up a whole bunch of my children last night
>>90604682two fubuki's?!
>VT N-word MF's celebrating...Hope your Oshi stays in Agonycolor and ROT
>>90604067Tell the world it won't make a difference, she can't be stopped, no one can hold her accountable
>>90604682Fubuki and Polka are management.
>>90601305fucking kek
>>90604682>pekora>resistance>had biggest sololive audience until november>has an album>streams every single day>nominated for content creator of the yearright
>>90562666I'll jerk it to porn of her out of respect. I always disliked her character but leafbros did not deserve it. rip.
>>90604682Marine is a close ally of Pekora and would back her in a battle against MiComet. Marine's also an envelope pusher.
>>90604682>tier list>is shitEvery time
>>90604925Fauna is up for like 3 vtuber awards
Idolwork is not the reason the girls are leaving. Hololive is going into AI. We'll see ai girls soon.
cover is happy to see them gothey want more dev_is style groups that make a fraction of what the other girls do
>>90604925>>had biggest sololive audience until novemberare you retardeddo you think the audience is made of managerspekora is the most popular vtuber in the world, they cant just brush her to the side
>>90604067Did any other holoJP post something like this?
>>90603096japan is fucked so hard anon
>>90604703>she was always trying to push her ideology onto the company.omg you are so right she controls hololive, literally the mastermind behind everything
>>90591208Watamage is the true leader pulling the strings from the shadows.
>>90605024i'm talking about real awards anon (sadly these count as the real ones).>>90605004>marine>two day long sololive>also has an album>highest audience for youtube concertsreally nigga?>>90605101what the fuck are you babbling about?
>>90604925>streams every single dayThat's why she's in the resistance retard
>>90604067>immediately rushes to defend cover and management's decisionsi will now believe the shadowmanagement rrat
>>90605180That's Kojima's doing, he loves Peko-sama
>>90605180you stupid niggeryou said pekora cant be resistance because she has a big audiencewhat the fuck does that have to do with itkill yourself retarded nigger
>>90605146South Korea, the fucking anarchocapitalist shithole, has overtaken Japan in GDPPC? thats actually fucking insane. Or I guess South Korea's poor population is just declining so fast the GDPPC is going up.
Dang so all that's left worth watching in Council is Kronii
>>90605024>saplings for most dedicated fanbase
>>90605206so what is miko doing in management faction and marine in management dog?>>90605242i'm saying that pekora had a sololive, and a big fucking one at that. the whole basis for that stupid fucking rrat is that they're "driving away the talents who do not align with the company direction" when pekora quite literally does the same shit miko does.
next graduations:>mumei>kronii>the european girl that's so irrelevant I can't even remember her name, she's orange from the newest gengura, ayame and marine won't graduate because they are allowed to not work at all and just leech
>>90605180I don't think getting concerts makes them pro-management, I just think it makes them popular. Marine and Pekora are 100% numberfags, but they both definitely look at management as obstacles that need to be overcome while Miko and Suisei embrace the boot.
>>90603572Everyone literally said they are ok with the idol shit, you vshojo fucks just need to come up with something better
>>90605352You're clearly misinformed and need to lurk more. Marine literally said she's a management dog on stream before
>>90605376There are only two europeans. The germ and the pasta.
>>90605146god damn what the fuck even happened
>>90605376>european>orangeThat's Kiar->from the newest genAnon what kind of fentanyl laced crack are you smoking?
>Pomudachi died>Now Saplings diedWho is going to take the role of the seed fanbase? The forests of the world depend on our work...
Kurolive...
>>90605482>but they both definitely look at management as obstacles that need to be overcome while Miko and Suisei embrace the boot.>Suisei embrace the bootYou mean that Suisei that had to pester management for 5 months to carry out Hoshimatic even though it literally aligns perfectly with what they supposedly want? The one that said "it's okay to call Cover morons" after Aqua announced her graduation?
Now that saplings will be gone will /#/ collapse ?
Its been only a few days and 2 talents already left after this. What the fuck Koneko.
>>90605559weak yen and gdp dont growth that shit double down so hard
>>90605559KPOP, live action always overtakes animated and all JP has internationally is anime. SK also makes all your TV and home appliances, the Japanese don't do that anymore internationally.
https://x.com/MintFantome/status/1863106998507602212
>>90562666wtf is happening?
>>90605656If only.
>>90605692QRD? What happened here?
>>90605572pestin... oh
>>90605750Do I even NEED to explain?Every fucking time some company hires specialists these days, things go down.
>>90605376If it’s kronii or mumei who leaves next and for the same reason as fauna then the problem lies with the council
>>90605799The guy was telling shareholders that losing talents isnt that big of a risk if they remain affiliate.
>>90605750massive layoffs due to the rising price of pixels due to a war in syria
>>90605799Shareholder meeting was like 4 days ago and they inquired of more people leaving due to Aqua.
Who's the WCW/AEW of vtubing?
>>90605750The current theory is that Cover is about to make a big transition away from streaming and towards a lot more live events/shill campaigns. This will doubtless make a tremendous amount of money.They are strongly pressuring the girls to move to Japan, and some of them don't want to move and are graduating. It could be the case that Ame's 3D studio was her attempt to establish a base of operations in the US so she wouldn't have to move, but management shot down her idea. The girls find their heart in streaming are leaving the company one by one.
>>90605942>>90605884kill old people
>>90605957>WCWYou know they lost hard in the end right?
Accelerate is the answer
>>90605957vshojo?
Honestly, they need to kick all the ungrateful bitches out and replace them with ai. I'm quite sure they'll make way more money that way with way less hassle.This is not niji, they'll all fail without holo brand, just look at Kson.
Saplings... I'm so sorry for you.
>>90605991Cover probably wants to focus on creating more Suisei personalities than streamers.
>>90606044>This is your brain on corpo
>>90604682>Putting Fubuki in management faction>Putting Korone, Okayu, Marine, and Laplus in management dog>Pekora in resistanceDid you put this list through a randomizer?
>>90606079Why would Aqua and Chloe leave then
two atomic bombs were not enough.
I'm kinda sorta hoping that it's going to be EN death, as in anyone not willing to move to JP and become a sub-unit in the JP branch will be forced to leave. That way I can just cleanly drop vtubers.
>>90606044>donating to an AI
>>90605559Technology sector leaving to SK, China and Taiwan.Zero mass manufacturing other than "muh traditions, honor, sovl small scale artisan products"Population growth into the fucking negatives.Kids are lonely, teens can't find love, young adult too busy working, low income freeter or a NEET that will kill themselves. Zero hope in establishing a family.Too much old people that refuse to transfer knowledge back to the young, while they're stuck paying taxes. Pension funds holds too many assets they can't clear (#1 in the world), for boomers that refuse to die, with kids that refuse to exist.
>>90606140Aqua was just an FPS nerd who never left her room. She doesn't want to be doing live shows every week
>>90606128Fubuki should be by herself in the Shareholder faction. Maybe with Polka.
>>90606015The real takeaway from this thread is that everyone over the age of 60 should be beheaded
I've heard on other boards that vtubers are in a terrible, terrible situation. Many of their beloved talents are jumping ship. And many more to come, according to them.I haven't watched vtubing since Pomu last year. But I've heard that since then, Holo and Niji have been in a rut, it seems.I've also heard many a crises Cover has gone through lately. Suisei is Filipino and you guys hated it, the mass graduations, the issue with the green woman yandere, whats her name, Russhia.The golden age of vtubing is over, I guess. How will this board cope?
>>90606128Kys looney trooney tourist. She's the only Holomember to always make fun of Cover whenever they shit the bed.
>>90606044There can’t be more than one Ai Vtuber
>>90606128Korone is Miko’s best friend retard
>EN roommates are getting more and more active
>>90605884>losing talents isnt that big of a risk if they remain affiliateIt's really isn't. 80% of the profit comes from merch, even if all the streamers, I mean ALL of them, quit tomorrow, people will still buy Gura's merch and they can keep making more Gura's merch to make more and more money.
>>90606044>they'll all fail without holo brand, just look at KsonOkay, I'm looking, now what?
>>90605146Yeah talk to me after the boomers in both countries die and we'll see what happens.
>>90606260I wonder what will happen if indies vtuber really take over corpos. Will /#/ and corpo wars finally end? Will peace finally arrive to /vt/?
>>90606219>Aqua was just an FPS nerd who never left her roomShe was the first holo to have a sololive. She turned Startend into a music unit. Her fans back in 2021 were begging her to return to FPS shit. When she reincarnated she literally introduced herself as an idol. What the hell are you on.
>>90606250In 8-10 years, people will literally realize that, yes, letting people older than 60, maybe even 50, has been holding back civilization for the past 30 years minimum.
>>90606203>Too much old people that refuse to transfer knowledge back to the youngoh yeah, that is an actual massive fucking problem. David Bull has a whole video about how he can't get good paper anymore because they guy he was getting it from failed to take on an apprentice and is now to old to do so. So he's just gonna let the whole thing die with him. And the whole village was at once point known for making paper and now it's a ghost town except for one woman making paper in a museum.
>put women in a position of power/responsibility>???>hilarity ensuesWhy are you faggots acting shaken over this?
>>90604682>>90604925>>90605180Management hate pekora lol
>>90604682I always knew Flare my was ride or die nigga
It's been a good run folks. 4 years. I've started watching around late summer early fall 2020 as I'm sure many of you did. Haven't really watched streams for a couple of months already. Didn't find anything to fill up the hole yet. But first I need think of board were to migrate. Don't feel like clicking on /vt/ anymore.
>>90606357This would have been a much bigger tie-in with Cover/Hololive if she was still Coco.
>>90606297wow much resistance
>>90606444Not even pekora knew she was nominated.
>>90605559japan's major corporations are zombie companies being propped up for legacy reasons
>Company with alarmingly high turnover rate>Many people leaving/complaining over the same thing to do with management>People still defend the companySo these have to be bots or interns, right?There's just no way anyone is this deep in denial or disconnected from reality, right?
>>90606383Don’t give me hope anon
>>90606260The age of corpos is over, but indies are rising higher.
>>90562666>wake up>ANOTHER holo graduationkek, lmao even. dead company.
>>90605482The Corporation wants a minimum numbers of songs a year, including live concert performances, and streaming hours per month. Cover will be paying the team needed make it happen, and will deduct it out of your check. At the end of the day, you are the one paying most, if not all of the bill.Now take into consideration any changes to the % you get from donations and Merch, then add the cost per year for big projects that you're expected to create, and you might reach the conclusion that the risk of breaking even or even losing money is too big to not go Indie and survive out of a smaller audience, owning a higher cut of the donations, and not being forced to spend money on projects you don't want to make.Marine, Miko, Calliope, and others who release 5+ songs a year, are ok with what management is asking, making them Pro Management.
>>90606593Now or soon would probably be a good time to debut.
>>90603184If they don't stream then they can grow the mascots in controlled environments such as on TV, cafe collabs and concerts. They only need the initial streams to prove there's some slight interest.
>>90606240Fubuki has a pesudo-management position but she is one of the few people who consistently tries to prevent management from fucking over the talent and the fans. >>90606297Your image proves my point. I would put Pekora in neutral. She has good intentions and certainly isn't with management but she's too anxious to be the resistance. >>90606319Korone is one of the members that consistently does weird things and goes her own way. She isn't like some of the younger members who management can pressure into complete obedience.
>>90606545If you think Cover has a high turnover rate you've never had a job in your life.
>>90606664Mr.Koro is more likely to be sold to Sega than graduate
Hear me out.Kiara will be the next to graduate, in the next three months or so. She wants to go the kson route, even though it's not as financially stable, but she got enough to live off of it and she wants to stop roleplaying and be herself. Screenshot this.
>>90606330not really, I'm trying to sell my Ame signed post card on ebay for 200USD and it doesn't sell
>>90606488Please, anon. They passed over Hololive for the fucking pink cat. And Kson twice. Cover isn't shit.
>>90606769I'm surprised Sega haven't already made some 2D platformer with her in. It's literally free money.
>wakes up at 5:30am on a fucking Sunday>takes the old water heater that I had to replace yesterday to the trash>do morning shit and stuff>finally lays down on bed and opens YouTube>found out because of the parrot community postall corpo is death and suffering fuck everything
>>90606699Please explain to me in what reality where 4 important employees (excluding a-chan) leaving back to back within the span of 2 months is not a red flag to you. I'll be waiting.
>>90606648songs are the real money tree after all
why don't all y'alls team together and buy up shares of cover? as long as the fans stuck together, they could seriously sway choices. I'm sure there are a few millionaire holobros out there, and them alone would be enough. But heck if everyone bought shares instead of merch, you'd secure the future of hololive and prevent more graduations.
>>90606444The game awards are a joke, acknowledging it on a corporation wide level would be embarrassing
>>90605744L E E C H
>>90606436It fucking sucks because giving old people previleges, subsidies like healthcare literally fucks you over with taxes with no concrete returns when the old people themselves are greedy selfish bastards. They're not productive, they keep interfering with progress, and they refuse to pass down knowledge. Pension is a failed concept because fuckers lived for far too long and would rather see their next generation rot with no family, just for them to spend their shitty dementia days on a cruise ship or die climbing a stupid hill or whatever.Japan is a solid, gold example of this, along with other post ww2 nations who didn't know any better.
>>90606545>6 talents have chosen to willingly graduate over the course of 7 years>high turnover rateYeah ok retard
>>90606664If things are this bad and Fubuki still hasn't rung the alarm bells then it's fair to question her integrity.
>>90606203Here is a better answer.Modern economy works like this>find all the best people in society>bring them into the city>put them to work --> they produce immense levels of wealth>but while living in the city they experience the lowest birthrate on earth>they have to be replaced, usually with foreignershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqVQ1kK-6Yk&t=2sTherefore cities are "population sinks" where intelligent populations go to die. City areas have birthrates of like 1.2 children/woman, which means after just 4 generations the population is reduced to 1/10. There is a constant need to find new people, usually foreign peopleThis process eradicates any good genes from the population. Beautify, intelligence, talent in general, are all erased. Look at populations that have been industrialized for a long time, notice how much uglier they have become. Like Britain for example, or Germany, have much uglier people than rural areas such as Estonia and Latvia. Singapore, Japan, Hong Kong....etc are all going through this process. Their talent is being erased.Meanwhile western countries are eagerly drinking in the talented people from unscouted populations in places like India and China.The entire reason this problem exists is because Eugenics is off the table, we are not allowed to produce the intelligent people we need through policy.
>>90606658No, that's wrong. No one gives a shit about the avatars. For example, Vocaloids are exceptionally niche compared to vtubers.
>>90606260>Suisei is Filipinoholy fuck that's a bigger bombshell than the graduationsfuck dude
>>90606999Last I saw the evidence turned out to be bullshit so IDK, would be really funny though.
>>90606937>Conveniently ignores that over half of those were within the same couple of months over the exact same problem.Thanks for proving my point, goof.
>>90606952She said that shit a longass time ago, things have changed
>>90606971>vocaloid are more niche than vtubersIt's 2024
>>90605750Idols typically don't stay idols for very long. It's just the nature of the business.
>>90562666Let's be honest her ASMR wasn't even that good in the first placeIn Hololive she is mogged by Okayu, Choco, Ririka (when she does it), Lamy
>>90606882Do you not understand the concept of rates? A bunch of people leaving in a short space of time doesn't mean the company has high turnover as high turnover implies staff don't stay at the company very long. How long do you think A-Chan had been at Cover, three months or something? How would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast this morning, anon?
>>90606952Fauna is the only questionable retirement they have had and it's a completely different branch. Chole might be weird but I could also see her just not liking the job this whole time.
>>90606882That's really not atypical in tech or entertainment (especially considering contracts). I'm used to new C suite and product leads annually. I don't believe you've ever actually held a corporate job.
>>90606658Exactly, they only need to stream for a month after debut, after that they're not worth anything anymore because they can start rolling out the merch and it'll sell whether the girls stream or not.
>>90606941right, they're not holding up the last part of the social contract. David Bull even says he asked the man to take an apprentice for the last 20 years because he knew this would happen. I mean shit, his own career he had to build from scratch because all the woodblock print guys refused to take him on as an apprentice.He didn't make that mistake though, he doesn't want to art to die out he has 15 people he's been training in his shop for years now.
>>90562666why did she do it?
I just wanted to share that one of senzawa's videos has been trending on youtube lately and if that's not a sign I don't know what is
>>90607321She's pregnant and starting a family. I'm the fetus.
>>90607321she literally said why
>>90607141>over half of thoseam i missing something? i thought the only ones graduating are chloe and fauna
>>90606203>Technology sector leaving to SK, China and Taiwan.This. I remember how big was their tech presence in my shithole back in the '90s and how minuscule is it today.
It's over bros Trump saved america and these neetchans got their boyfriends back, RIP HoloEN
Woah, wtf. Getting home and seeing this is so weird. For the past week I've been coming to /vt/ I've had this feeling that I was gonna see a sticky of someone from EN graduating and well here it is. I can certainly say I didn't expect it to be Fauna of all people though
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>90607191Attrition of your rainmakers are different compared to middle managers
>>90607360I wish we could have witnessed the shockwaves this sent through Cover. Had to be posturing for a better contract.
>>90607360Whcih one?
>>90607580My dude you are schizophrenic.
damn, haven't watched vtubers in forever, like half a year, because I can't autistically follow every stream for months, but what went wrong? I thought hororaivu good? What's with EN whores graduating?
>>90607149sure anon in you dream
>>90607454so spoonfeed me nigger I'm not watching your whore
>>90607594Cowboy
>>90607321Hates travelling to JP
>>90607594For me it was drunk
So, they wanna put even MORE managers?
>>90599100You should read the email messages at Microsoft talking about how they were using investors to push them to function more like a short term profit, growth obsessed american corp so they would eventually agree to sell themselves to microsoft
>>90607616Hololive is basically a partnership. This isn't an attrition of easily replaceable staff, this is turnover of your breadwinners.
>>90607638NTA, but>Google TrendsSeriously? How many times do we have to shit on this?
>>90607754>partnership>publicly owned
>>90607191>Excluding a-chan>Still talking about a-chan>Still has zero argument for the main question>Is now complaining about semanticsOkay.>>90607265I actually do work in the entertainment industry so this is an incredibly poor example. Anytime there's multiple important people leaving within a company, not just regular intern joe leaving, but vital people leaving, it means something is going wrong within senior positions. Nearly every company i've been with has had major issues when this happens and the domino effect doesn't stop until it's rectified within those senior positions.But tell me more about how I don't work in a corporate job, especially in entertainment.
>>90606506what do you mean "not even pekora"she's just one person and she doesnt speak englishthey have 500 managers and many of them speak english, but none of them did anything
bros this means less saplings are contending for FES and EXPO tickets
>>90607638Now do Vocaloid
>>90607718
>>90607838i mean, you'd think the award people would notify her themselves she was nominated.
>>90607800>Anytime there's multiple important people leaving within a company, not just regular intern joe leaving, but vital people leaving, it means something is going wrong within senior positionsThis desu, it's a telltale sign of dysfunction. Doubly so for Japanese companies where everyone is expected to be a lifer.
But we still would be able to put Fauna in the jar? Right?
qrd? i dont watch her. not my oshi
>>90607893puffy nips
>>90607635Well this is different from niji situation. Holoraibu is still good, it's the girls who are the problem and we don't want them here anyway, if they can't change, it's better that they get the fuck out. 10 of them can announce their graduations after this and Holo will not implode like Niji.
>>90607918She's not an affiliate
>>90607947Pregnant
>>90607947Graduating. Likes being an idol, hates management. Probably going indie.
>>90607893so holo needs some musk?
>>90607754>this is turnover of your breadwinnersNothing about that implies some sort of company-wide high rate of turnover. You have to go all the way from JP gen 0 up to 4 until you find someone who actually "quit" in Coco and even that's debatable. (Meru and Rushia were fired, it's not the same).The average number of years a talent works at Hololive is way higher than the average number of years 16 year old work the grills at McDonalds you gaylord.
>>90605692Post the full thing.This is about protecting their larger IPs. They got the shitters cause Aqua left so they slap AFFILIATED onto worthy talents so the name stays without actually leaving to appease investors.Why is Fauna not affiliated?Look what the others have in common and you may see why.Or the short answer:Fauna isnt an IP worth for them to keep cause she didn't even hit 1 Million subs.
>>90607962Well, they have Suisei.
>>90608026>hates managementno one in their right mind likes managementits how much you can deal with it
>>90607966"Affilate" put a stops on the new merch too.
CONGRATULATIONS EN2 ON BEING THE FIRST GEN TO HIT TWO GRADUATIONS
>>90607947Shat herself live and killed two managers from the stench alone. Resulting fumigation costs forced her to graduate. Big cover up.
Why are SEAs so adamant that it's because of the idol focus shit when she literally explained that it's not the reason
>>90607911That's exactly my point and it's even worse because this has happened over the course of 2-3 months. The only case I've seen this happen was when one previous company I worked with changed the content they produce severely as well as the wellbeing and rights for staff to a point where it wasn't worth staying there anymore.Many people that had been there for nearly a decade and were incredibly important from the day-to-day workload decided to up and leave. And what a surprise. It happened 2-3 years after the company went public. Does that sound familiar to you?
how's the coverdrones transformation into hating the vtubers (or should i say, 'livers') and only considering yagoo to be their oishiline goes up !!!
>>90607360Do people think she's actually going to return to streaming if she quits? She didn't stop because of management or hololive it was burnout from the actual act of streaming.
>>90608096You keep focusing on quantity over quality. Talent acquisition is a massive investment. 1 talent leaving is unironically worth more than 100 bean counters and paper pushers. Also, terminations still count as turnover, it's called involuntary turnover you retard. You seem to know a lot about mcdonalds, you should stick to that instead of talking about corporate life.
>hololive died so i can get my shit together
>>90608265they missed that because they don't understand english
>>90608265Because she can like being an idol but if they are trying to force her to either move to Japan or even start making more frequent trips to there then there the disagreement with management is. I'm pretty sure Fauna stated before she doesn't like travelling overseas.
>>90608349Any time a C suite or rainmaker leaves, they're jumping ship typically with golden parachutes.
What if management refuse her to pull a Lamy and banned alcohol consumption when streaming? Drunk Fauna was a very rare thing in contrast to her Lemon self.
>>90607635Girls are leaving because they are getting cockblocked by management all the time and also being forced to do boring office shit when they would rather just stay at home and stream.
So this is why women graduate more than men nowadays huh
>>90608101Makes sense. It's not like she's the face of Holo like Gura/Pekora/Suisei or anything. It's probably less of a hassle to just cut all ties and kick her out than trying to get some dimes off her characters name/face.
>>90606260Avatarfags need to hang themselves
>>90608354She's more likely start over in a completely different career than stick to vtubing. Why would the most subscribed vtuber for multiple years in a row start over in the same field?
>>90608096"Will they graduate?" Check list:1. Are they the member with the lowest # of fans in their gen?2. Do they take breaks often, sometimes months at a time without streaming?3. Have they expressed frustration with not being allowed to do something, or site repercussions if something is done?4. Are they highly skilled in other things aside from streaming and entertainment?5. Did they release little to no songs this year?If 3 out of these are true, your Oshi might be graduating in 6 months.
Fuck HololiveFuck CoverFuck YagooWho would even care if some members were just streamers? You can still print their face on whatever merch and skinwalk them for your concerts.All I ever hear is how overbooked their fuck huge studio is anyway. You can't get them all in to record at once if you wanted. Just let the streamers stream and let the 30 or so leftovers scramble over each other for their once a year access to the studio.
>IRyS's roommate got her Twitter verified for some unknown reason + posted a sudden tweet.>Kronii's roommate is also tweeting more often.>Same with Bae's roommate.uh oh...
>>90601880>>90602000Gura could do it. All she has to do is purposefully get terminated.
>>90608616Gura's been "graduating soon" for 2 years now.
>>90607947its 5 minutes and half of it is silent. Watch the damn thing or fuck off
>>90608609This is why she hasn't quit yet because being a mascot singer is probably a more interesting job to her than streaming.
>>90608757Names?
>>90606821Koyori's reaction over this was kinda funny
>>90608757Bae's roommate is the one you really need to worry about cause that shit was DEAD before
>>90606488I don't know if you ever played one but none of the hybrid animal women in hololive are ever going to have a large role in a RGG game. They aren't going for that tone.
>>90608101black hole company
>>90608683You're talking about a nation that still widely uses fax machines.
>>90608757>pretending Kronii hasn't been using her account for a long time now
>>90590272Because we're not like you Nijisister fucks that will suck Riku's smol pp and actually cares for the Talents
>>90607918>>90607966>Nendo FAUNAIs there any point now though?
>Fauna will graduate without ever reaching 1 million subs
>>90608757The group graduation rrats are true. If there's been a major change it won't stop with only a few
umm bro ;_; i've been humming let me stay here since the announcement
how long until we get the ASMR livestream collab? is the bridge actually burnt?
green lamy graduating means the trinity of lamies is no more
>Fauna graduation announcement >sticky>only 1000 postsHolo is dead
>>90608475DESU the most likely explanation is the classic switcheroo that tech companies liked to do post COVID where remote jobs suddenly required 3-5 days in the office. It's not exactly rocket science considering all the EN talents that are thriving happen to already be in Japan. Cover is either making this a requirement or anyone not in Japan has to jump through 10000 hoops to literally do anything.
I'm gonna miss Nemu...
>Couldn't even reach 1mil subs before getting terminated
>>90608993they apparently made upcollab is almost 90% but ASMR is 50/50 cause Fauna doesnt do that anymore
>>90608101>Or the short answer:>Fauna isnt an IP worth for them to keep cause she didn't even hit 1 Million subs.That's a retarded reason but suits are retarded Fauna is a huge merch mover
>>90608863>Hundreds of government offices said banishing fax machines would be “impossible”, media reports saidHoly shit You weren't kidding.
>>90609028retard
>>90609028like fucking clockwork, have a (you)
I guess Mumei and Gura are next
>>90608952If she had just got with the program and moved to Japan then she would have received the same support and attention as the other EN members that relocated. This is her fault for not being a team player and not considering the needs of the company. Shameful display.
>>90609146kek
>>90608101She’s only 60k away from 1m hopefully she does it before graduation to spite the cunts
>>90609097>>90609139Never fails to get at least 2 (You)'s.
>>90608487More like another job. The ones that did leave that were extremely important to the company did get the golden parachute. Everyone else that was important and/or senior realized the job was shit now and applied elsewhere or went freelance.In this case, people are going indie instead because it's not worth being in corporate anymore.
Mumei next. Ina delayed because her visa is fucked up.Gura isn't allowed to graduate until fwmc replace her as mascot characters. Or they will cut a deal to make a gura AI with her voicebank.
>>90609220they not care
>>90608101>Sir fauna moves more merch than all of EN combined except gura!>I don't ker, she doesn't have one mirion subuscribahs!Why are jap suits like this?
>>90589064He could just be a video game nerd instead.
>>90608923Sexo model. I hope she will get Asagi for her indie update too.
Brownfeet won...
>>90609049Mori is the leader of the clique that holds back EN. Everyone who graduates and has issues with "management" actually has issues with her.
Putting aside any rrats as to the deeper reasons, I bet Fauna saw how well graduating went for Ame and that probably pushed her over the edge.
>>90609208Maybe she saw the recent news about all the foreigners getting sucked dry to pay for the Japanese pensions and went all kamikaze
>>90598154>opens you up to legal liabilities if they want to make the argument that you're tanking the company on purpose>NijisanjiEh when did rule of law ever stop millionaires
>>90609236juus are supposed to be bad
Finally, nature is healing Holobronies WILL GO OUTSIDE IN 2025!!
>>90609220What does it matter now? It's not gonna ungraduate her
Realistically, this probably happened because the updated contract for the next year for all Cover talents cut some benefits and changed some numbers, or named some quotas or something. When you see 'new direction for the company' what that means in a practical sense for the workers is 1.) the projects they're put on are changed suddenly, 2.) they're getting a pay cut in some way. Maybe there was a stock option thing in their contracts that they're losing now(cutting them out of the corporate process), maybe there's new homework that's actual fucking garbage like sponsoring Crypto bullshit or going on JP television or music viewership and sales targets...it could be all kinds of stuff in combination.
>>90609366Jews?
Here is what is happening:Managers after managers.Talent asks for something from their manager and got a line of work already.They cant act without approval of a manager from another department of the corp but that manager too needs permission from the managers that are higher. A mountain of work is waiting to be done.Now that manager higher up also needs permission and something to be signed first before the manager below can sign for the manager working with the talent.You see this in bureaucracies all the time. Ever had to give in some doc to the government, licenses, for you car or anything and it takes weeks or months for it not even to be done but to just move forward?That is whats happening in Cover.
only thing they care is money so dont buy anything if u want to support just use super chat.
>>90609318I choose to believe this.
>>90609447>>90607718I am saying this because they wanna hire MORE MANAGERS.
>>90609366Get off 4chan Hitler!
>>90609318Fauna is in good terms with Calli. She even played the whole week in her 7dtd collab. Suisei/Miko on the other hand...
>>90609318>>90609454I also choose to believe this.Inb4 another mori song where she bitches about muh antis and/or how hard it is to be a rich alcoholic
>>90609448So both Google and Cover gets a cut??
>>90609514>Suisei/Miko on the other hand...haha wow what the fuck?
>>90609208Let's be real here, if I had friends/family, literally anything going on outside of vtubing, the last thing on my list of priorities is moving to Japan as a foreigner who can't even fucking speak the language. No amount of passion for your work is going to magically replace the life you leave behind.
>>90609318Kiara WAS the leader of the EN clique, but even management found her too annoying and deported her ass back to Austria.
>>90562666Sad day we lost another white girl
2025 will be quite the year
>>90609587>he doesn't know who the real cover managers are
>>90608101>Fauna isnt an IP worth for them to keep cause she didn't even hit 1 Million subs.that's retarded, subs dont mean shitthere are vtubers with 3 million subs who can barely manage 2k viewers, while fauna was getting 10ksubscribers usually only increase over time because most people wont bother unsubbing unless there's a really good reason, and many of those accounts may not even be used anymorebut viewers and actual fans are not something that will just go up over time, and will often go down instead
>>90609600>a clique consisting of one person
>>90609318If only Gura had the same work ethic she would be the CEO by now
>>90591626Who are the four people? I know i'm out of the loop but I didn't think I was THAT out of the loop.
Where the hell did this micomet rrat come from?Miko is literally the most supportive member of holo, she even makes most of their thumbnails for free. Fucking dramafags stirring shit up for no reason.
>>90609585still less than merch and it will force them stream more by nature of it.
>>90609757Sounds about right for Kiara.
>>90609691You are saying this as yourself. You are right but shareholders and suits are retarded.
>>90609775Ame, Chloe, Aqua, FaunaI don't even know follow holoshit, get your shit together tyronell
>>90609691>that's retarded, subs dont mean shitA lot of the people making decisions don't know shit. You need to think about how this business is run from the perspective of someone who doesn't understand the inside baseball. Subs matter because they look like they should matter to someone with a surface level understanding of the youtube ecosystem.
REMINDER: NIJI CAUSED A LIVER TO COMMIT ALT+F4
>>90609780>Where the hell did this micomet rrat come from?
>>90609318I wouldn't go that far, but Mori is suspiciously chill about the announcement, like "support the people you want to see fly and succeed" wow yea heartwarming, anyway back to work on my next song lmao
>>90609780that burger game
one more month until this year is over. What in the actual dickride has been the early 20s for vtubing
>>90609757Kiara is literally MEMEMEMEMEMEME personified. She would absolutely make a clique of herself.
>>90609877What did hololive do now sister?
>>90609877You can say suicide faggot
>>90591383Well.who else are leaked to graduate then?Please tell.me.my kamioshi Kanata is safe
>>90609877jesus christ just say commit SUICIDE she tried TO KILL HERSELF this isn't fucking tiktok retard
>>90609900
>No Mumei and Fauna MC in Breaking Dimensionsuhm, hoomans?
>>90609900Everyone in Hololive is a work-friend to Mori. She really doesn't give a shit about what happens to anyone else professionally.
>>90609691Subs are next after cash flow the thing Cover focuses the most on both for talent favors and for shareholder
>>90609780Miko is hiding in plain sight. Gustavo Fring used to throw charity events for the police while he runs a drug empire
>>90610015Mumei can leave and be with Doki. No problem there.
>>90609318>Mori the awkward dork who makes even herself cringe>leading a cliquelel. It's bullshit but I believe it.
>i-its moris faultholy kek
>>90610007fucking kek my sidesand people call out Kiara
>>90609900Mori has been saying how she's depressed and not feeling great over the past couple weeks and days. Don't know if it's related but just something to think about.
>>90609900Nice number
>>90610015Wasn’t Moom at NY, though?
>>90610007ITS FUCKING REAL. WHAT THE FUCK MORI.
>>90610112remember the early days when we blamed her for everything, the time when she made the pog emote? Best time of hololive
>>90610078Mumei is The Great Gazoo of Hololive. Who cares what happens to her.
Okay but seriously it's the idol shit this time Fauna hasn't released more than one orisong in her whole tenure as a holo. Maybe she doesn't like singing and dancing but frankly if you compare her to fucking KRONII it's no contest, it's obviously.
>>90609897Why would jannies delete this?
>>90609868Right, I knew about Ame, and I forgot about Aqua.Chloe as well? Dang.
>>90609897Assuming this is not throwing shit at the wall until one sticks (it is), imagine for one second that you're the type of person that believes Miko can be malicious on purpose. If so you're a catalogfag anti.Suisei I can't defend, because I don't watch her and she seems way more capable of narcissism, because of her career path.If you know anything about the early days of Miko then you'd stop entertaining this rrat.
>>90610178She wasn't? She had covid and surgery.
>>90610252Fauna explicitly said its not the Idol stuff.
>>90609614gura ame moom and fauna will collab more often!
>>90610252She said that it wasn't the idol activities though
>>90610301expect 6-8 more in this month aloneyou thought niji had it rough, you didn't see shit yet
>>90609897why was this deleted?
>>90610252Fauna said she loves dancing and singing though.
>>90609318>>90610007>my oshi went from REE LAZY BITCH to>REE SECRET PUPPETMASTER in like 2 yearsHuh
>>90610337>company mandated script>the deal was fauna could point the finger at management>management could make up other details to keep up appearances
>>90610283why would "jannies" delete any picture of Mori literally instantly while leaving up a thread for hours that had Mint's alleged nudes in the OP that were also supposedly underage?
>>90610033thisthis is also why deadbeats are the most chill and detached, Mori could graduate and we would take it as just another outfit reveal and we would still have another song in less than a month. But she won't, she's actually the only member of her own alone clique (Kiara is actually part of the euro clique pretty obviously), because it's only open to alcoholic workaholics
>>90610387Was clear she practiced too. Not the best singer by any means but compared to her debut singing, she did improve.
>>90610415Company mandated script where the company blames themselves. Are you sure Anon?
>>90562666Press S to spit
>>90610430yeah but that image had no real life details in it that wasn't talked about on stream
>>90607800God you are so retarded.
>>90610390You have to admit she's not always great at communicating her meaning.That said, looks like she made some obvious posts about cherishing the people you love while they're around and retards interpret it as bitchy instead of grieving.
>>90610337>>90610346>>90610387Actually listen to her words>Hello! I wrote some stuff down so I don't forget anything, so if it sounds like I'm reading, it's because I am.>So, thank you for being here, and I'm sorry to worry you. I know this is going to come as a huge shock, and for that, I'm sorry.>I'll be graduating from Hololive on January 3rd, 2025.>The reason for my graduation is disagreement with management.>I've grown so much ever since joining. I love singing; I love performing for you. Because of you guys, I have been able to do so many things that I never imagined I would ever be able to.>I never thought I would be able to perform on stage. Before I joined Hololive, I never even tried singing, and now I've been able to sing and perform for you, whether it was on stage or just here in karaoke.>It's something I really love, and I'm so grateful I was able to do it. I'll always cherish these experiences and the people who cheered me on.>I love streaming. It was and still is my dream job, so thank you for letting me live my dream. For me, there's nothing better than being able to stream, and banter with you, and just be my silly, goofy self.>It means the world to me that so many people find me entertaining enough to watch my streams. I'm so lucky.>I've said this before, but I really couldn't have asked for a better community. It makes me so happy to see you helping each other out, spreading kindness, and appreciating me for who I am. I hope you continue spreading kindness even after I'm gone.>And I'm so grateful to have met the talents here. Hololive members are some of the kindest, funniest, and most talented people I have ever met. I feel so lucky to have been able to meet them, stand on stage together, and make genuine friendships that I know will continue even after I leave.>I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here, and I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol.>It was a really hard decision to make, and I'm sorry that I couldn't be here longer. I'm sorry we won't be able to make more memories, but I hope you'll cherish the ones we have just as much as I will.>Thank you for supporting my decision, even if you can't understand it. Thank you for supporting me all this time, and thank you for letting me live my dream.>And I'm not leaving just yet, so let's make the most of my remaining time here. I'll be streaming until the end, and I have a World Tree to finish and some other stuff games that we'll talk about.>I look forward to spending the rest of my time here with you. Thanks for being here.>That's all I have. It's short, sorry, it's short. Thank you for listening, and I will see you soon, okay? Please take care of yourselves, and thank you for everything.She said she liked singing and performing for her community and that she loves the other talents but that has nothing to do with her output in terms of music and concert performances. There's a difference
>>90610118My thing is, I know she's got a reputation for being a workaholic, but she's also the only one in EN being all "OK back to work!", at least publicly. You can grind away behind the scenes if you want to take your mind off things, but this seemed pretty tone-deaf.Regarding all the other rrat's surrounding Mori idc. It's probably nothing, but the tweet sticks out like a sore thumb.
Just don't join an idol group if you don't want to do Idol stuff.
>>90592774the way she approaches her dietary restrictions.
>>90610629Her stream was like 3 minutes long anon you need to actually watch it
>>90610603tldr
Can Bae salvage her gen?>Kronii doesn't give a shit>Mumei doesn't give a shitShe is just alone with &IRyS
>>90610609is everyone acting retarded and ignoring the fact she's talking about song with Fauna in it and that's why it's relevant
The disagreement? Cover staff wanted the toilet seats up after use where Fauna wanted the toilet seats down after use.
>>90610687They can blame management all they want but we all know it's because they can't stream as much.
>>90610553>I concedeThat's fine.
>>90610692>>I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here, and I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol.She's leaving because she's being forced out through shitty contract terms.
>>90610579Vtuber watchers like to say they love "autistic" chuubas but Mori is a genuine bona-fide sperg and they immediately do the same as normalfags i.e reflexively and persistently hate her.
>>90592208uh-huh, sure.
>>90610699Kronii has more orisongs than Fauna and more concert appearances than Fauna too.
So let me know if this is "too soon" or not but I vaguely recall when Ame was having her semi-graduation situation happen there was word that there was some kind of organized effort to send her a care package with a bunch of fanstuff, I imagine something will almost certainly happen here, do y'all know where the best place to be to get in on that when it happens?
>>90610603>>I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here, and I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol.>There's a differenceRetard
Reminder that Riku at least tried to address things. Believable or not, he did speak.Yagoo needs to address this fast before all trust is lost.
>>90610692>Loves singing, performing and being an idol>Doesn’t love working for thoseThere you go
>>90609691>that's retarded, subs dont mean shitTell that to Cover. IIRC they put Gura, Marine and Kobo as the faces of Hololive in one of their financial reports. In order of most subs to lowest. So>Gura>Marine>KoboEach representing their respective branches.Big number good is all investors and shareholders care about.
>>90610817good in you for conceding
Promise has been broken...
>>90610849>Mori is a genuine bona-fide spergDon't need to tell me. Find myself missing my skeleton days more and more.
So Cover wants more Suiseis and Callis while still hiring neets because they hire based on experience in neet streaming. Management really is fucked up huh
>>90610944There is, frankly, a difference between being an idol and whatever the fuck Cover is putting the talent through behind the scenes
>>90562666I'm going to fucking end it bros
>>90610515on her rancid unwashed butthole
>>90610965>Yagoo needs to address this fast before all trust is lost.It's beyond his control now, that's the problem with becoming big.
>>90610824Don’t join Hololive if she doesn’t want to travel to JP(Granted, she joined when that wasn’t possible, but still it shouldn’t have been such a big deal)
>>90562666>caring about the woman who groomed and raped fallen shadow
>>90611002>not including sanahaha, that's our secondary!
Im so scared Kanatan will be next.....
>>90608757>>90608974>Jan 3rd, graduation stream>non Promise members are finished with their goodbyes>all of Promise now together>they all announce their departure, and it's actually everyone's final appearance>Vshojo announces five new members on Valentines day
>>90610603rrat: these recent disagreement with management is cause by the managers trying to push holos to help the government to recruit youngsters to the army for the upcoming ww3the ones with an ounce of soul couldn't agree to that so they are quitting
>>90600687They're pregnant from all of them fucking me. Some are handling pregnancy worse than others
>>90610974Even before that they had the million wishes.
>>90610965He bowed to his shareholders, not to you retard.
>>90608974>>90611153That would be insanely kino.
How many Saplings have committed suicide so far
>>90610609>this seemed pretty tone-deafAnon, Mori is literally autistic. Tone-deaf moves kind of come with the territory.
>>90610965>fastPR101: never rush to address something. That’s the last thing they'd want to doThe tried and true method is to monitor the public opinions for at least a day or a few days before making a statement (if you have to at all)
Hey faggotsThe next graduations will be Mumei, Kanata, Watame and Marine
>>90611249bout tree fiddy
>>90611289Why would a sweet little muffin like Watame leave?
>>90608757 >IRyS's roommate got her Twitter verified for some unknown reason + posted a sudden tweetDon’t use my oshi for your shitpost. She has been posting on her rm now and then all along and do one patreon stream every month or two
>>90611289Kanata and Watame would rather die than leave. Some say Marine is the same.Mumei, I absolutely see it
Yagoo must become the Yellow Goblin and take back Cover. Do you know how much he sacrificed?
>>90609780Welcome to /vt/, anon. Where everyone thinks they're smarter than they really are and crackpot schizo conspiracy rrats are a dime a dozen. Does someone popular like their job? Clearly they run a clique that controls everything behind the scenes. Did someone tease another liver for something? Clearly they hate each other and they must be trying to make each other graduate. Did someone talk to their parents on stream? Well OBVIOUSLY that's actually their boyfriend and she's actually a whore who's already fucked half the global population except for (you). Someone's graduating and says it's because they disagree with management? Well, ACTUALLY, that's because management wants to fuck her and she wouldn't move to Japan to get nightly trains run on her. Source: Trust me bro, plus this is actually really common in Japan.Seriously, this board is worse than /v/. /v/ hates video games, you fuckers would be less obnoxious if you actually just hated vtubers.
>>90611289Kanata is a strong girl, if she wasn't broken with all what happened before she won't break now.
>>90611337what does niceness have to do with anything? you can't be sweet and also not put up with bullshit
>>90610898And Fauna moves more merch without having to do any of that (even if she would want to).
>>90610974>Big number good is all investors and shareholders care about.but they could be looking at channel view numbers, if they werent retardedfor example kronii has more subs than fauna, but if you look at views, fauna has over 50% more
>>90611102welp i know what I'm fapping to tonight
The biggest influence Fauna has had in my life is that matter baby joke, which I've used countless of times as a cringey icebreaker with strangers and has convinced some people that I actually have an interesting personality
>>90611102I'm sorry, what? Where the fuck did this one come from?
>>90611562Did it actually work?
>>90562666OKAY, should we swarm today Hologra episode to "express customer opinion"? Or we somehow find a way to crash their damm stocks?
>>90611562What's a matter baby?
>>90611102e-sex isn't real sex, so e-rape isn't real rape
>>90611337>Why would a sweet little muffin like Watame leave?Because being a nice person doesn't mean you need to enjoy where things are going.
>>90611289>Kanata, Watame and MarineAre you trying to piss me off in particular?
>>90611630Both?
/vcuck/ is having a field day lmao
>Fauna is graduating before Kronii, Mumei, Ina, Gura, or most of StarsENWhat line did they cross? What could possibly set off Fauna but not any of those listed?
>>90611851Fauna is a crazy vegan leftist, who knows?
>>90611851They tried to forcefeed her meat
>>90611102I find it really funny that she also made a beeline for gura once she got into holo. Let's give three cheers to the truest cunnysseur that holoEN has ever hosted
>>90611943She is?
>>90611289Watame actually likes singing and doing idol shit. She also does zatsudans all the time, so all of her streaming is safe. She also said she wants to perform at Budokan one day, so Cover is the best means of getting to do that.
>>90611851>Fauna everyone here in JP loves you a lot, so we need you to come by and have dinner with these fat executives and their sons!>No>
>>90611950the meat? mine
>>90611036Hey, man. Nice shot!
>>90611851Demands her to travel to JP more than once a year.The only ENs who has outright said that they don’t want to travel to JP were Vesper (couldn’t bring weed) and Fauna. Both are gone now,(Nerissa was also unhappy, but in her case, it was homesickness from staying in JP for 2+ months instead of going home in between)
>>90611950Vegans are the most annoying people on the planet
I just saw this why is this bitch graduating
why are the "lemonleaf lesbian rapist" allegations returning after 4 years
>>90612095the company CEO tried to rape her
>>90611851They forced her, a DoTA player, to join Gigi's LoL collab. That crossed many lines
>>90612067Vesper being a retarded druggie lmfao
>>90612098Because she did it again. She's being fired because she raped Gura
>>90612185GIWTWM
>>90611851All of the ones listed are either perfectly catered to or it's their first/second-ever job.So the answer could be as simple as "Unlike the others she knows better what is and isn't excessive".
>>90604682Number of subscribers doesn't matter. Who is the management's favorite.gjy40
>>90612255not cunny enough for fauna
>>90612283>InaHow can a company be this black?
>>90611421>>90611725Retards both of you that have never watched her
>>90608769what kind of megayab would gura pull in order to get terminated
>>90612185Raping Gura is like the EN version of imitating Marine.
Hololost
>>90612283Damn, I kinda see the nepotism now...
I like her streams she is a good streamer both entertaining and playing a variety of indie shit I like too, like recently the Dredge DLC, but lets be real, she was the least Holo member left in EN (Aside maybe ERB but for opostie reasons) and probably had to be dragged out with a gun to do recordings for group stuff and bigger concerts, never did any solo stuff in that regard and wasn't the most eager streamer to make up for it either.I'll miss her but it isn't much of a surprise.
> be me> see waiting room in recommended> "shes not graduating.. right?"> sleep> wake up> see graduation announcement> fuckim sorry saplings, i jinxed u all o7
>>90612442Stop shifting the conversation and answer the questionWhy does being a sweetheart mean you'd put up with corporate abuses?
>>90612067I think the travel requirement might not be strictly enforced (at least not yet), but with management wanting to focus less on streaming, there's probably a lot of in-office time required for other opportunities that EN members outside of Japan will miss out on. So basically you'll get a massive pay cut and/or be put in the backburner for support while only being tolerated for being a hybrid employee.
>>90612598>build a solid fanbase>set up an alternate way for donos so nothing goes to yt or coverez
Fauna is joining Nijisanji.
>>90611630
>the rrats are winning
>>90612720When was the last time an ex member joined another company?They usually go Indie.
>>90612598Holo EN is effectively and quietly being erased. The message is clear: either relocate to Japan or graduate.
>>90612783>she eats vegetables>rats eat vegetables>they are rivals
I miss fauna...
I can't believe she would throw her fans away over a disagreement with management.
>>90612783if anything now would be the time rrats are feasting more than almost any in holo history.
>>90612892fuck off yagoo.
>>90610974>>90611439Cover's a publicly traded company now, I guarantee you none of the investors give a shit about subs or channel views beyond their capacity to bring in revenue, which is the only numbers they really care about. Keep in mind that a large chunk of the major shareholders in Hololive aren't actually going to be fans, just like how a lot of Nintendo shareholders don't actually play video games. Investors don't invest because they like what they invest in, they invest because they think it they can profit more off their investment than what they put in. I guarantee you there's probably more old boomers who don't know what a youtube is in those shareholder meetings than there are people who actually watch any of the talents.Superchats are probably the only metric they actually care about on the youtube side of things, as IIRC that was the second biggest source of revenue for Cover. The biggest was merch sales. I wish we had the exact numbers on how much merch each liver actually sells, but without that, it's hard to say how much Fauna actually earns them. A good general rule of thumb though is that the JP side likely sells more than the EN side, partly because JP otaku tend to be crazier about buying lots of merch than western fans, and partly because Cover (being a JP company) can produce and sell merch within the country at a faster rate than they can overseas, where it has to be shipped out and incurs additional costs over domestic sales.TL;DR - Revenue is the bigger number to look at than subs or views. We can check superchat stats, but unless merch sales by liver are publicly available somewhere, we're missing important data there.
>>90611630>OKAY, should we swarm today Hologra episode to "express customer opinion"? Or we somehow find a way to crash their damm stocks?Both of these are pretty good ideas. Cover needs to be slapped hard for treating Fauna so badly that she said "fuck this" and quit. Japanese companies in particular are extremely weak to publish backlash and losing face so this would be hitting Cover where it hurts the most. They should learn what a mistake it is to piss off foreigners so they fear doing it again and feel extreme pressure to fix management. Guess their grandparents never told them.
>>90612892The stress isn't worth it, if you're going to work do a job you actually like doing.
>>90612846Why? What do they get out of getting rid of EN?
is there any chance that fishman can poach her into phase connect?
ACCELERATEGRADUATE MUMEI OR INA BEFORE THE NEW YEAR
>>90612557I'm not that anon, anyways you would have to be retarded to think watame is graduating
>>90609356When the other investors are billionaires and pension funds the government looks at as being a part of the publics social trust.
>>90605559I think the biggest factor is really the weak yen. Japan's GDP is mostly static so a similar developed country with a positive GDP growth will outgrow Japan sooner or later
>>90610007>Oh no... Anyway
>>90613048If another member actually graduate before the year ends I'm gonna burst out laughing.
>supposed to be one of the biggest talents>only 1000 replieslol
>>90612694kekIt's 100% Cover's fault for making the perfect case for their best EN talents to go indie
>>90613138Retard.
>>90609318you tempt me to send aosupa to her with that accusation
>>90613138Retard
>>90611630>>90612977Unless you have millions of dollars, you're not gonna crash the stocks. Best you can do is cause enough of a public outrage to make investors nervous so they pull their money out, ala Anycolor's stock plummeting with the Doki yab. But I don't think public outrage is anywhere near that level of heat just yet. You'd need another "Coco graduating because of Chinese harassment" type situation to get anywhere near that level of immediate heat.
>>90613138>>90613167>every time
>>90612283
>>90611630Yagoo is already being burned on his replies to Fauna and Chloe. it's much more effective because the messages are reaching him directly.
>>90613263Why did they do it?They could've made everyone an equal size.
>>90613015Let her collab with Pippa
>>90613083I hope they do so I can write Hololive off entirely
>>90612971this, they just want the cover stock to go up, they heard it's the big hot new thing leading a new entertainment medium and want to be in on it hoping it's the next nvidia or tesla. the thing is the growth, while amazing, doesn't just scale up infinitely and if the company is pushed to balloon out too fast you get shit like this happening. what perplexes me is why try to enforce new conditions and changes on established talents. that is a legitimately bad call. if cover wants a "new direction" that several graduating holos have now referred to, why not just have the new talents carry that forward without trying to force the old talents into it. they can worry about "brand risk" all they want but people still know matsuri for the bandaids story and pissing herself. that cannot be undone and just forcing her to play nice and act like a lobotomized doll won't undo that legacy. and yet, you can probably still go find her face on a bag of chips in Japan. it's a really overblown fear. hololive is not for kids - its concert-goers, merch-buyers and super chatters are not kids. they shouldn't be overly-worried about not always being clean or kid-friendly because it's bending over backwards for people who aren't there and don't care.
Ame has shown us that it's not about the management or 'muh creativity'—it's just about greed, which is fine, but fuck off with the sad messages and sad goodbyes. Fauna is going to come back, Chloe is going to come back, and they are going to do better than ever, with all the money going to their pockets. They graduate to gain more money, just like Aqua did. That's it.
>>90613263>wall of shame putting sub numbers side by side >when they could have just made a long ass portrait with everyone the same sizeThis was one of the most retarded PR moves they ever made.
>>90613070The way this artist draws Ame is so hot I wish smug Ame would bully me
>>90613199Better pray real hard that it'll happen for real, sis. In niji's case it was the girls getting fucked over by black company, while in this case it's the girls being entitled, selfish little shits, don't wanna do this, don't wanna do that to the point that they're useless to the group they're working for.
>>90613308>>90613401Tell me you don't understand marketing without saying it out loud.
Wait I don't get it.People keep assuming it's about business, but would you stop selling a certain merchandise because it made less money than the others?Just let it be the smaller income, and let it be.
>>90613378>it's just about greedretard alert
>>90613472ok Morijust because they signed up for streaming shitty games for nerds but had to do dance classes and singing doesn't mean it's their fault
What if we trick Elon Musk into buying Cover instead of Hasbro
Regret? This is good news lmaoAnother grifting whore who hates her fans leaves
Why would they even want EN talents to relocate to Japan? They'd adjust to JP time zone when the idea was to have talent streaming across different time zones. They just hired Justice to expand on that goal.>>90613304Deserved
>>90613199>"Coco graduating because of Chinese harassment"I think "Fauna is graduating because of mistreatment from Cover's management itself" has the potential to be more damaging to Cover than Coco leaving. Even hardcore Holo EN fans are saying "wait hold up" and demanding to know what the absolute fuck is going on over there.
>>90613493Why would I want to understand something that is considered a cancer by everyone out of the bubble and I personally have no respect for? Also, Fauna moved more merch than most of the 1mil+ girls in there.
>>90613378Most likely this. Pretty sure it's something like the merch made 100 millions and they're not happy about their 10% cut and asking for 75% or something, like this guy said >>90613472 they're entitled greedy little shits.
>>90611110Who? You mean that lazy cunt that couldn't last a year? Flopped over faster than a newly hired zoomer retail worker.
>>90613493>understanding marketing is being soulless, sympathy-less sociopathNo totaly-not-PR-kun, please tell us more to help us understand!
>>90613502When you're a publicly traded company, it's all about ROI. Any money spent on something with a smaller ROI than known alternative investments gets neglected. Been the issue with the video game industry for the past decade.
>>90613574It's the dumbest shit on Earth. FWMC have cratered their ability to stream for longer than two hours most days and Biboo will soon have a flipped schedule that sucks for her usuals.
>>90613503She is literally among the 1% and yet she still decides to leave, why is that? because she already got the exposure and the fans, people will follow her just like teammates followed ame, it's not that hard man
>>90613502>would you stop selling a certain merchandise because it made less money than the othersYou got it wrong. If it's about business then you would stop putting any further resources to products that underperform, and invest as much as you can to the products that do.Products that make less money than others are deadweight, and must be trimmed so that your biggest hits can make even more money (by shifting those resources to them).
>>90613502>but would you stop selling a certain merchandise because it made less money than the others?That's literally how it works.
>>90613660Because management is retarded as she clearly stated? It has nothing to do with money.
>>90610849>reflexively and persistently hate her.??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
>>90613664But when the support is people obsessed with the talent you are spending resources on, you will have a lot of people who will just throw up their hands and say they're done when you take away that talent. That's a chunk of money that is now not coming to you to fund your master plan of pumping up a few big names.
>>90613664>Products that make less money than others are deadweight, and must be trimmed so that your biggest hits can make even more money (by shifting those resources to them).The best part is despite that being how investors think, that's not how the real world works. Infinite growth is a meme.
Never did I think I'd see the day where people's faith in Cover Corporation as a whole would crumble before my very eyes. It's only noise right now, but that seed of doubt is FIRMLY planted into people's subconscious, and it will only grow as time goes if Cover continues with this new "direction" they have in mind.Who knows what the play might be from here, and who will eventually follow suit. Whatever the case, I hope you people like following Indies now, because that seems to be in the books for quite a few.
>>90613582>Even hardcore Holo EN fans are saying "wait hold up" and demanding to know what the absolute fuck is going on over there.No they're not. They're still knee deep in the slop and are treating this as a simple change in priorities despite the fact that 4 people have now said the exact same thing and left.
>>90613745Investors do not care. They don't live in the real world. They think you can just shuffle around shit at will.
>>90610603she probably has someone or something to take care back home and doesn't want to get pulled left and right overseas. maybe they failed to agree on the terms of her contract.
>>90613472>while in this case it's the girls being entitled, selfish little shits, don't wanna do this, don't wanna do that to the point that they're useless to the group they're working forlol. So which Holo EN manager are you? From everything the girls have let slip about the situation behind the scenes it's clear that it's becoming increasingly difficult to get anything approved, management will flat out ghost them, project are getting canceled or held back for seemingly no reason, and Cover is breaking promises it made to the talent.
>>90613779yeah. let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
>>90613606It's basic artistic styling for an advertisement.Break up the monotony of seeing a couple dozen girls all lined up in a row by having some of them appear bigger than the others.How do you organize them in a way that makes sense to someone who doesn't know what they're looking at? Have bigger numbers associated with bigger pictures of the girls.>>90613584The average Joe literally doesn't care nor does he have the context for something as nebulous as an anime girl's "merch sales", Youtube subs are a much more immediately understandable and approachable metric to understand that something is popular.
>>90613798Brother have you checked social media as of late? People aren't just going to take it as is, there's uncertainty among the masses.
The first thing I stated in a thread when Cover went IPO was that everything was going to be downhill from there and everyone called me a retard, you guys sure love to fool yourselves with fake lies instead of enduring the truths until is too late. Sad that people escapes reality even when is online.
>>90613472Moving to Japan is a ridiculously big ask
>>90613884Do you remember when people said that Fauna would be one of the last people to graduate, and that we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves then as well? Nothing is set in stone.
This is all A-chan's family members fault. If they hadn't became a useless sick fuck A-chan would still be here and everyone else
>>90613779I knew this was going to happen soon because they were still getting new girls even though they couldn't keep up with the girls' projects with the studio and the like. This showed that Cover didn't care they were understaffed or that the girls were unhappy, they just had to make the line go up to make the shareholders happy. But I didn't think it would happen THIS soon. This is unironically the beginning of the end.
>>90610304>If you know anything about the early days of Miko then you'd stop entertaining this rrat.This is not a Disney movie. Just because you have a sob story of being a little shitter who overcame a great struggle doesn't mean that you're an incorruptible and inherently good person. If anything, it just increases the chances of you being a vindictive tyrant when you're the one in power.
>>90613889>Muh big numbersThey could have easily just put up a giant "MORE THAN 200 MILLIONS SUBS!" with everyone together instead of wall shaming them with their numbers and it would have been more tasteful. But hey, I'm the one that doesn't know a thing about "marketing"! Fucking retard.
>>90613745Investors are not market specialists. They expect the company to explain it to them. When you can not tell people exactly how it is that you would make a proper return because your market is super specific and niche then youre up shit creek without a paddle.
>>90613902I hear what you're saying and I see there are some people waking upBut there is absolutely a huge amount of people that STILL defend the company and still refuse to get out of the denial stage.
>>90613745>you will have a lot of people who will just throw up their hands and say they're done when you take away that talentAssuming a competent business, this is already priced in. As a simplification, if the loss of a deadweight product A causes X customers to boycott your brand, and the projections of product B when boosted by the resources that used to be allocated to A says the company will gain Y customers, and if Y is greater than X, then this is just simple math for the business.In reality this is not as simple, but this is the idea.
>>90613371>what perplexes me is why try to enforce new conditions and changes on established talentsI can certainly think of a few answers. None good, but certainly the kind that make sense in the cynical world of business and finance.The number one thing investors want is growth. People ask all the time why companies make dumb decisions looking for growth instead of enjoying their existing passive success, and the answer 99% of the time is investors. Stability does fuck all for investors. They can get dividends from the company's retained earnings if the company issues any, but conpanies don't like doing that and frankly, it's pennies to investors anyways. What they actually want is growth, because all they want is to cash out their stocks after making a solid profit. Those stocks are bought by investors looking for the exact same quick fix of profit, and the cycle of demand for constant growth continues. If the company doesn't pursue that constant growth, investors get pissy and start throwing their weight around. For example, if a high enough percentage of shareholders vote to change the CEO, Yagoo would be out and replace with some schmuck that'll do whatever the investors want anyways, in the interest of keeping his new job. So, either the current or replacement execs try to squeeze all the profits they can get, and either it works or it doesn't. The potential for a drop in stock price is somehow more acceptable to the average investor than the possibility of sitting on stocks that neither rise nor fall in value.As for cleaning up their image and leaning more into the idol stuff, that may be because of the other potential revenue growth they could be lookinh at; Advertisement. The Dodgers game is a good example of what I mean, as is the bag of chips you mentioned. Some brands might not care about putting the bandaid piss girl on their product if it makes their shit sell, but other brands absolutely will. It's possible they might be considering their brand perception for that or similar reasons.
>>90613960I was of that belief, I was painfully proven wrong.What kind of nonsense did they pull off to annoy her this much, did they ask to euthanize snail on top of moving to Japan or what?
>>90611102the what now
>>90613779Not really, the show goes on. Hololive is basically too big to fail. It's like Nijisanji. Remember that even after all that drama they went through with nearly killing Selen, the Jp branch keeps chugging along with King still being a top vtuber. Hololive will still keep going strong as long as their top dogs stay. And Fauna was far from being a top dog.
>>90614167I highly doubt that Yagoo is currently in control
FUCK Fdund BITCH
>>90614167>Some brands might not care about putting the bandaid piss girl on their product if it makes their shit sellSomeone needs to tell Squirt they found their new mascot
>>90614084It's not a sob story. It's a person that started from the bottom to get to where they are. People like that tend to appreciate their privilege more than people which are handed success on a platter.
>>90614177I remember when Ame graduated the prediction was that people would blame her instead of the company, because when it's just one person it's easy to dismiss it as being that person's problem and not the company's problem. We'll see what happens now that there's a pattern, will people turn on Fauna too, formerly one of the most beloved members of EN, are they going to start slandering her reputation too? Are they going to say things like "Fauna was far from being a top dog"? Apparently because there's already a post above mine that did just that.
>>90614061>he still believes that she left because of her familylol
>>90613138Guaranteed replies.I also do the same for every sticky, for that sweet dopamine from easy (You)s
>>90613815Investors are going to ask Cover why talent is leaving in rapid succession. Each graduation represents a lost revenue stream and graduations on bad terms represent the risk of a Selen-tier PR disaster. It's wrong to think investors will be fine with this or don't care.
these whores wouldn't survive a day in a japanese idol agency in real life, i don't know why they thought it would be different in hololive
>>90614336Tanigo never wanted a streamer group though. He's an idolfag though-and-through. This is good to him
>>90614474>>90613815
Really weird that the hololive vtubers that really put in work and always strive to be on the top are doing amazing either by making music, solo concerts or special events yet the fauna types graduates because of "management" yeah right, you want more money without doing anything bitchgood riddance
>>90562666Matsuri is going out next
>>90614520>Already turning on their own
>>90613745What >>90613815 and >>90614104 said.Pic related comes from a shareholders meeting at Nintendo. I can guarantee you 100% that the same kind of people are major shareholders in Cover Corp right now. These are not vtuber fans. They think livers are no different from standard employees who can be removed and replaced without issue. Most probably have no idea what Fauna even sounds like, let alone who she is.
>>90614474Explain how Melvin Capitals going to figure out how to deal with taylor swift getting the ick because she doesnt like stringent contracts. Youre fucked.
>>90614100Something tells me anons here would still cry and piss themselves just from having the images be different sizes regardless, but yes, having each girl with their individual sub counts "feels" a lot more impressive and understandable to the average person looking at it compared to just one big "200 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS" advertisement which one could easily assume is just them advertising some anime or something like that. Having each one separated out immediately informs anyone who sees it that this is a massive operation and not just one single, large channel with a bunch of characters.
>>90614177She doesn’t want to travel to JP more than once year. That’s a big no-no in current Holo's climateI meant, heck, she just doesn’t seem to want to travel, period. She didn’t go to NY to MC for HoloEN's big concert either when even Gura of all people went
>>90614084>This is not a Disney movie>says the anon who's making up rrats that Miko is basically a Disney villainkek
>>90614592Is she some kind of "muh flying bad muh climate muh co2" sobbing retard
>>90562666GIVE ME MY MOTHER BACK YOU BASTARDS
>>90614474Eh look at nijien and anycolor's method of dealing with their investors questions. Cover will successfuly deflect and hide the truth the same way their rival have done.
>>90614658Tin can during the competancy crisis of Boeing.
>>90562666What shit news to j*ust wake up to. Been enjoying Fauna’s streams more lately, she was easily my favourite Council / Promise girl. She doesn’t even want to do any affiliate stuff? This fucking sucks.
>>90605559>Cracks in 2011-12A massive fucking Tsunami and a subsequent nuclear meltdown.Coupled with other already existing problems, and it just never bounced back.
I'm getting some really fucking doomer members-only posts from the JP talents I'm membered to, I'm really starting to worry
>>90614592I understand her position, I take care of my grandparents and my workplace is very demanding on courses and seminars out of stateI have to fight tooth and nail to do the bare minimum and be a responsible grandson, if this is the case I have a deep sense of respect for Fauna's decision
>>90614474and Cover won't, but should, tell them it's literally their fucking fault.
>>90614750really like what?
Should've known things went south the moment A-chan quit.
>graph(s) goes up>WE ARE SO BACK!>graph(s) go down>IT'S SO OVER!Are we... are we like shareholders?!
>>90614269Exactly, not to mention that Holofans are such bootlickers to the point that YAGOO can break into their houses and kill their whole familirs and they'll still call him best girl after that. That's the exact opposite of Niji where literally no one likes the company.
>>90614750Anything on Kanata & Matsuri? 5heyre my kamioshis
>>90608757Great news. Council was never good and their fans are insufferable
>>90562666BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAGET FUCKED SAPLINGS AHAHAHHHHAHHAHAHHA ARROGANT LITTLE SHITS
Honestly, can't blame nijiniggers if they are shitting on us these past few days, wtf is Cover doing man, this is ridiculous
I'm a Lemonsapling now
The day after the graduation notice Miko is doing a McDonalds ad stream, I think Hololive is too big now and is imploding by it's own weight. This is not going to end well.
>>90614568>why the fuck are they discussing what makes their company successful they should be focused on MONEYwe unironically need total investor/shareholder deathAny company that is in the black, even by slim fucking margins, should be left to its devicesIf they can pay their staff and other various expenses that should be literally all that matters
>>90614793"Hey, you guys who just give a thumbs up or thumbs down any time we say something. This is all your fault. It's not our fault that we can't explain market saturation of differing talents and a familial mindset in the corporation we've been running without you for a decade. You should just allow favoritism and breaking contracts because its no big deal." Great job. Not that its wrong, youre just going to get them blaming you for not explaining it better.
>>90614894Whats wrong with that?
>>90611153Considering that Kronii's roomate already worked with Vshojo I can believe it
>>90614592Not wanting to travel for work is a pretty normal thing, though? Traveling fucking sucks lol, maybe I'm just too old but I dread getting ready to fly even for vacations. If traveling once per year was in her original contract, then she probably expected things to remain that way and something changed.Anyone traveling from the states to Japan semi-regularly would be the odd one out here, if anything. There's a reason a lot of talents just ended up moving to Japan, that shit sounds soul-draining. Moving to Japan also sucks if you're not ready to basically leave your whole life behind and can't even speak the language.
>>90614824If they're your kamioshis why the fuck aren't you memberedAnyways my most worrying posts are from Lui
Hololive, you must gangnam like I have...
>>90614824>kamioshis>is not membered
>>90614973Im poor
>>90614503Except investors do care. Not about the girls themselves of course. But they care about lost revenue and they'll want to know why there seems to be a sudden exodus among Cover's revenue-earners. Because it's starting to look like a trend. A bad trend that casts doubt on Cover's future.
She's leaving so she can start an onlyfans and do ASMR porn.
>>90613493Sorry I'm not a cocksucker
>>90614973What did Lui-nee say?
>>90615058Noel already does that and she's still in holo.
>>90562666good.holonigger deserve it LOLtotal holocuck death
>>90615091
>>90615096Matsuri did softcore shit too
we are not friends....okay then
>>90615058Noel is literally doing 18+ ASMR including rubbing and vibrating her pussy on stream and makes absolute bank. Still in Holo.
>>90615144lui was so lucky....
>>90614938I doubt all of them will join Vshojo some might but others probably will want to stay Indie. The more they want to do concerts and performing in large events the more likely they are to want to have some org group for large scale projects to help them. Though every year the cost of mocap goes down so some of those big concerts might be more achievable if you have a large enough audience/subs.
>>90615048And the stock will be devalued. Theyre not going to have any mechanism to fuck them over or restructure anything. Did they do anything illegal? No. Did they do anything that on paper is against business interests? No. In fact, the alternative suggestions are just saying contracts have no power. Unironically, the best weapon against a retarded investor is a well informed consumer. If you can make it obvious to the investors that the nintendo switchs thumbstick drift is ass and destroys the value of the product nintendo will be forced to address it. Anything the corporation alleges about why you want to see fauna play pikmin is as valuable as a tray of dog shit if you can't make it extremely clear.
Hahahahahaha laughing hard at holo rn, hope for another graduation next month
>>90608757>Kronii and Bae roommates active>Post this in response to FaunaI'm getting conflicted messaging from this...
On the good side, this will give the girls a bargaining chips that if hololive don't want to crumble in mass graduations, they will have to allow some of the girls' demands.
>>90615339I hope your kamioshi dies idiot
Miko's graccoro looks delicious
>>90615362>inb4 All of Promise is leaving I feel bad for Irys being left all alone once again.
>>90614973>my most worrying posts are from LuiNo... not the hags.
>>90615516Lui is graduating so me and her can be happily married and raise a family.
>>90615400Doubtful, something is wrong at company it will get a lot worse before it will maybe get better or collapse. If they could recognize the problems they would have already known they were in trouble and tried to fix them before people quit.
>>90614907>we unironically need total investor/shareholder deathBlaming shareholders/investors for Fauna leaving just deflects blame from management where it belongs. If investors were asked "Okay guys this is Ceres Fauna and this is the money she earns for Cover Corp. Should we make her leave?" shareholders would say "Uh no? This Cereal Finner woman adds value to Cover Corp. which adds value to our shares, why the fuck would we want her to leave?"
>>90614907That's dangerously antisemitic of you goy.
>>90614824>Matsuriher roommate is following shion's new secret predebut independent vtuber account..... i'm thinking it's over
>>90615362Kronii rm has been active for quite a while
>>90615668The investors don't have any say but when they have investors success for management judged is less about overall health of the company's long term health and profit but profit and growth for the current fiscal quarter.
>>90615362Remember when Selen was doing an event that went to shit and she wrote a happy positive tweet and then when on her Dokibird account and said "tired..."?
>get into fauna thanks to her collabs with gigi>she quitsNow the kino league streams won't ever be the same.
>>90562666>two best models (fauna and chloe) that made my faggot dick hard gone nowjust BOMB HOLOLIVE NOW
>>90615732Robocos roommate is also more active too. Even posted some selfies not long ago.
>>90612450Confirm that she's a diaper-loving degen like she joked about with Ame
>>90615741 just posted now kekw
>>90615929They keep Matsuri, a openly admitted lolicon aroundShes gonna have to do worse than rhat
>>90612160What's wrong with marijuana?
>>90562666I'm a newfag what do the crossed out numbers mean and why are there so many in this thread?
>>90615978>openly admitted loliconThat's not controversial in Japan where it matters
>>90615998thread is over reply limit and older one gets archieved
>>90615998Just one guy caught samefagging
>>90615986Drugs are badThe normalization of weed is linked to the downfall of western culture
>>90615962Oh she is gone too.
>>90612450publicly asking for a better contract
>>90615986Meet a stoner and you'll find out without them saying more than three words.
>>90615848She's a dota player, I wouldn't have expected a lot of league from her
Kek they’re dropping like flies. Love to see Holofags get their comeuppance. Gura is next.
>>90611102qdr?
you know what i want to say but i can't :)
I liked Fauna :(had her in the background whenever I painted my minis
>>90615986smells like shit, the people who use it smell like shit, it turns you into a drooling retard, and the culture around it is faggotry at its finest
>>90615516Polka's wasn't good either but she's always a bit menhera so it worries me less
>>90616087holy based
>>90616205Post minis for fauna
>>90615986When they say it isn't addicting, they mean physical. The amount of people having a psychological need for it is nearly 100%. I was in that same place once. When I found myself having to smoke to deal with something or getting high to enjoy something is when I realized I had a problem.
Its mori's fault. Fauna sided with gura...
Final tally, which holos actually sad about fauna which giving lip service?
>>90616298gura hasn't graduated though
>>90616315https://rentry.org/tdv3rnmf Courtesy of /uuu/ sapling.
>>90616315I'll be giving lip service. To Fauna's asshole.
>>90615827Investors aren't going to think "yes, losing moneymakers is a good thing for profit and growth". Blaming them is a complete red herring that accomplishes nothing. Fauna said it's a management problem in Cover. So it's a management problem in Cover. And management shouldn't be allowed to use anything as an excuse.
>>90605180Fucking over someone as big as Marine would just be sawing off the branch they're sitting on. It wouldn't be worth it.
fauna was one of the smallest channels considering she's not newmaybe she just got axed
>>90616159She's avoiding a huge fucking landmine by not moving to Japan and leaving everything behind, and she's going to make solid numbers as an indie. She'll probably end up making a bit less but with 0.01x the stress and full creative freedom.So.. what's the problem exactly? Everything points to Fauna returning to her PL, I guess the two people who like Cover solely because they're really into Japanese IPO's are feeling pretty owned rn
>Ina not saying a thingFUCKING BITCH
What ever happened to omegaalpha
>>90615978>openly admitted loliconThat's half of Hololive if you include shotacons too
>>90611102this was both heart breaking and dick breaking
Oh it wasnt a dream
>>90616532I'm dreading that she is next
>>90616532isn't she not allowed to because she's in japan without a work visa
>>90616532she's busy having graduation sex with fauna
>>90616548Last I heard he goes to another corpo now
>>90616608just have her manager post a couple of words
>>90616608>without a work visaSo working for Hololive doesn't count?That's dumb as hell.
>>90616663that will require her to interact with another human being
Ina is next. Managements have enough with korean, they will try to push her out of the company
>>90614910>It's not our fault that we can't explainYou can't explain it to these retarded investors.They don't care, they're too dumb to work in mcdonalds, they wouldn't be able to figure out how to mine coal if you gave them a pickaxe and a hundred years of time.They're all, and i mean all, Chris Chan level autistic spergs that can only feel emotions when they see line go up.You can't "explain" anything to these people.
>>90597624Why would Botan be in the likely category? Nothing she has said recently has indicated it to me.
Oh boy I cant wait for her to go full retard and start collabing with dudes and spewing out terrible political takes as an indie.This is the best part of corpo girls. They're forced to hold their tongues.
>>90616429Management could easily draft up different styled contracts for people operating in a seperate capacity. There is some hurdle to the investors, the girls personalities are viewed as properties under the "idol" tag which has oh so many different avenues of capitalization. When someone diverges from this, their expected return will be lower overall. If you can make a good argument that will make investors comfortable with contracts that are lined out with a seperate goal in mind, keeping an existing property with some capitalization routes that at least keeps your brand relevant and in peoples minds, like an advetising budgets goals. Then you should be able to have people operating as effectively games streamers first and foremost. This would of course entail a lower pay than the fullblown idol contract to keep the trackable ROI balanced in the corporations favor.
>>90616779>Push out the only actual professional artist in your company>This is considered a good move???
>>90616841japs are retarded idiots the whole island is filled with drooling retardsit would fit
>>90616779Flare and Irys will follow.
>>90616841Raora exists. Mori is a professional artist and animator too.
>>90616841they have raora
It's nice to see her keeping in touch with everyone.
>>90616912>follows the gay orcOh no no no Fauna bros...
there was a pitfall
>>90616912Is this new?
>>90616431>It wouldn't be worth it.Making Fauna so mad she quit wasn't worth it either. Management is making totally irrational decisions with no upside, so fuck it, why not piss off Marine into quitting too?>>90616515>fauna was one of the smallest channelsIf Cover cared so much about channel size then they'd jettison Stars and most of ID into the sun long before Fauna
>>90616786Yes. The same way for the first few decades of streaming you couldnt explain it to an average 40 year old woman. These are like 60 year old men. You have to reconcile with your father.
gura next
>>90604682>>90612283>>90613263Why is management doing this to Aqua?
(((Investors))) are coming after chuuba, like they came after games. It's unironically over.
>>90616839I don't think the contract itself is the issue but working conditions or creative difference have changed because something either happened recently or has been growing for awhile to have so many people quit recently
>>90617085You're thinking too much about it, Watson is in the front too.
>>90602567She wasn't a charity worker working in a clothes shop. Whatever her reasons, money wasn't it. The taxing nature of the job could be part of it though.
>>90616912Is she still touching Shondo too?
>>90616993Gura is effectively retired they just drag her on stage now and then if she's not skinwalked anyway since she barely talks and does the same "quirky" butt shake every single performance
>>90616370Roru Watame>Let me know when you come to Japan
>>90616800FuwaMoco are the ENs who arguably benefit the most from the current arrangement, why would they even consider leaving?
>>90616800She's been very down lately
>>90617104Its the only theoretical you can influence so the contracts are the best point to focus on. Anything else is speculative drama. Like it could be that, but working that as the only angle is just accepting the corporation folding. Might as well make up rape stories or tales about how there were garbage cans filled with cum tissues outside the changing room. Like, this too shall pass and all. I just like what the cover brand represented this past decade.
so instead of creating a streamer branch they're kicking them out instead, any streamer without big sponsors like pekora, miko, or korone, will get kicked out
>>90617137What's wrong with Shondo?What's wrong with touching Shondo affectionately?
>>90602567doesn't cover compensate work-related expenses
>>90616677She is, on paper, not working for Hololive and only there as a tourist
As soon as Fuwamoco appeared, its all going downhill. Not saying its their fault but did something happen around that time? The entire atmosphere had changed around that.
>>90617287They're not being fired, they're quitting due to bad contracts and perms autism
>>90617137I hope not, i dont like that schizo
>>90616912Thanks, followed. I might start watching her again once she graduates from the blue prison.
>>90616912>Already following malesShe couldn’t wait to collab with them again, could she?
What yall feel A. Happy for whatever fauna doesB. Sadness uuuuuuuC. Neutral "it is what it is"D. Anger and doomposting
>>90617278>Might as well make up rape stories or tales about how there were garbage cans filled with cum tissues outside the changing roomYou jest but this probably actually happened with blizzard at one point in time.
>>90617358This
>>90616912Waiting for her to unfollow dott
>>90617336No wonder some of them are opposed to come to Japan for work.
>>90617358They are leaving cause managers be manager and Cover admitted in the shareholder Q&A that more managers are on the way for multiple departments.
>>90617104>Shareholders see shiny new Cover building costing a fortune>Weird, how come we never see talents working here. It's all middle managers twiddling their thumbs>Cover now has regular mandatory in-office days for talents to do things they can do at home, but now they get to look busy>Nothing could possibly go wrong
>>90617414I only care about the person behind the avatar, and I wish her all the best.
>>90617414C. I stopped feeling anything towards graduations. They're meaningless.
>>90562666>Incredibly cold grad announcement>seemed very bitter in her announcement streamThis feels very different from the other announcement's we've had this year.Can any saplings tell me what this means?
>>90616988Because Marine is overwhelmingly the most subbed JP. The scale of potential damage is completely different.
>>90617487Reminders me of the mandatory in-office days for game devs recently that caused riots.
>>90617520she was fired
>>90617520Vegan
>>90595713true, i will never forgive what they did to the mouth on her new model
>>90617520If good natured and kind Kirin is mad publicy, someone fucked up bad
>>90617520Something something jp talent evil. Millions must graduate.
>>90609318is this the true power behind the Morio Party curse
>>90617520I'd be pissed too for wasting years in a company that suddenly changes directions and managers being idiots.
>>90617531Again, (((they))) are trying to destroy vtubers like they did to games.Read this https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/436041404/
With recent events
>>90616981Not sure, since I wasn't keeping tabs on her rm. It's hard to tell for certain but it seems like she followed a bunch of Holo roommates en masse at some point, the most recent one being doob (the account above Caitlin that was cut off in the screenshot, you can check yourself).>>90617137She does follow Shondo. Pic related.
>>90617664>wall of schizo textYou need to learn how to be more concise
>>90596756isnt that like a thousand dollarssounds more like the excuse than the reason
>>90617664Let us not pretend, we all know what specialists means after they decided to expand to California. >>90605859
>>90617679it works in the long run, more happy investors will make for more money to make talents happyor maybe for some golden boat
>>90617137IN TOUCH Anon, the term is "in touch with"
>>90600687You're gonna need to suck some dick to get what you want, the true idol experience.
>>90609591This. Variety streamer is quite literally the most WFH capable job in the history of WFH jobs. All Cover had to do was choose good talents (and hopefully we can agree that regardless of opinion at least some of them are good) and then take their 30% cut and stay out of the way of their own success. I'm impressed how much they're managing to mess up.
>>90617679My oshi is still happy, though
>>90617548If she was fired it would have been a termination announcement. >she barely streamedSo do alot of other holos, yet they're still in>she was too hard to work withOther holo accounts of her plus her on stream attitude doesnt make this seem likely
I blame dooki and dooby, these bitches don't realize there is not enough room for everyone to go indie. Pitty donations can only be allowed for so few
>>90617864Unless Fauna is some giant Diva behind the curtain, I doubt its the latter.
If it turns out like this, then as a last resort, you guys should gather in LA and protest.And while you're there, go on a rampage and start some arson or theft.
>>90617807>it works in the long run,What do you consider long run? because 5 years is nothing.
>>90601328everyone in ID (except Reine) will want to make enough money that they can permanently move to Australia or the USA or Japan and not their shit tier islamic hellhole that is one imam away from declaring a fatwah on anime & getting them all beheaded.
>>90617911>some giant DivaShes good friends with Fallen Shadow so it could very well be possible
>>90617745 (me)>>90617137I was so concerned with stalking her follows your joke didn't even register, I'm a fucking retard.
>>90614585Bullshit, no average joe would stop and read fineprint numbers and think it means jack shit on it's own. Aggregation would be a 100 times more effective.
>>90616841They booted out another professional artist before
>>90618006Fair, Shondo keeps stirring drama over the voices whispering in her head telling her to cannibalize others.
>>90617664wtf are you talking about, this is just standard corporate bullshit lmao, drama regarding physical space utilization happens like every other day in tech companies. Shareholders are just retarded and think they can just RTO talents like it's fucking Amazon.
>>90617356no, it all started with selen, this fat chinese menhera drag in abyss not only niji but holo as well
>>90612450Involvement with drugs.Pierre Taki (Denki Groove) was axed everywhere, including the band YT channel because of cocaine use.
>>90615978fuck you
>>90618115Imagine a chuuba snorting coke live on stream
>niji fails due to toxic management>toxic management abandons sinking ship>toxic management gets hired by hololive because muh expansionyeah, we are fucked
PUT ME IN THE VIDEO, PARROT
>>90616981Only the top one is new. The rest is all old follows
>>90617356Are you kidding? It was the opposite effect if anything.HoloEN from Sana's graduation up to Connect the world and by effect advent's announcement was the lowest point for Holo outside of right now. If anything the dogs and Advent in general changed things for so much better.
>>90617520This is not unlike Fauna, she never liked showing herself becoming too emotional on stream. She did even cut off streams out of nowhere because she was too embarrassed for something, etc.However, the fact that she quite the straight reason and even specified she didn't dislike being an idol, + graduation and no affiliation make it think like there is a grudge down there.Also, I personally believe that the reaction to last year's Outer Wilds playthrough broke her. She kept streaming because she felt she has a duty, but she couldn't enjoy dealing with parts of the community anymore.
>>90618141Hey matsuri is my oshi
>>90618080I like that amazon became a success story after losing money on everything till AWS
>>90617414D
>>90618156I misread that as snorting cock.
>>90600687Basically the en girls are now being subjected to the full force of japanese corporate autism. So long meaningless meetings, hierarchy that rewards age rather than competence, and a toxic work culture where not addressing any superior as emperor of the world is tantamount to spitting in their face. It's basically going to filter anyone who isn't 100 percent a weeb/sucker for japanese culture
>>90617414B but worse. I threw up after the announcement
>>90613308some stars shine brighter than others
>>90618163I want him to talk about new vshojo debuts, not this sad shit
>>90618217>EN girlsLike Chloe and Aqua?
>>90604067>As an activist, I want to respect each person's choiceI can't believe Miko is a pro-choice activist
I'll await and see what she and other talents have to say in the coming weeks, before I doompost.But that said, this doesn't reflect well on Cover, and there is enough of a pattern of a concerning trend.
>>90618115which drug would be guras preferred choice
>>90618192No her problem is with management so this is a boss, employee problem not community problem.
>>90617414E. Happy that Fauna is no longer in hololive and that her reddit fanbase is seething
Niji and Riku scrambling just to realize its not about them for once!
>>90611110Sana was never part of Promise, schizo. Do you even know what an idol unit is?
>>90618258no, they were from the jp branch
>>90618163>>90618256If you're gonna shill, can it at least be a youtuber who speaks at least a sentence of legible english please?The guy makes hachama sound fluent.
>>90562666Think I'm actually done with Holo after this. Sorry to the rest of the tubers, many who I still like, but it's clear now cover cannot be trusted anymore. Better to dip out now rather than go through this shit every potentially every month.Fauna over her run was one of the most consistent and professional tubers they have. If she has to leave because she can't be happy or generally do what she wants (STREAMING) then its legit fucking over.I was willing to give some benefit of the doubt with Ame leaving because it made some sense why she would go indy even if there wasnt a major problem with cover, but Fauna saying she doesn't even want to go but feels she has to because of management is the nail in the coffin.Fuck cover. Remember what the fuck is important in the first place.
>>90618287MJ
>>90617414D but it's mostly @cover and not fauna herself.
>>90618301I am curious what management means here.You have the sub managers who are more the middle or if its about the actual higher ups.
>>90618340he's funny
SAKANA WINS DOINGS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHILE NIJI AND HOLO IMPLODE IN ITSELF. PHASEGODS
>>90618192>Also, I personally believe that the reaction to last year's Outer Wilds playthrough broke her. She kept streaming because she felt she has a duty, but she couldn't enjoy dealing with parts of the community anymore.Did i miss something? What was that about?
Welcome home, lemon.
>>90618466kys phase beggar
>>90618466no way
>>90618204Which is funny because if I ever got hired at Amazon and got the honor of working 5 days in-office on AWS I'm not sure there's a good enough TC for me not to kms. Everything I've heard is nightmare fuel
>>90618466>pippna collab
>>90617679Irys was saved
>>90618466Fuck off falseflagfag, >we don't want the green whore
>Base an entire company on menhera and sad girls>EIEN is dead>Kawaii is dead>Tsunderia is dead>Niji and Holo imploding on themselves>Idol lost their main attraction>WINSHOW DOES HE DO IT
>followed by senzawaThat's new right?
>>90617104>something either happened recently or has been growing for awhile to have so many people quit recentlyTalent needs approval from managers who need approval from other managers who need approval from yet more managers, and sometimes a manager will make things grind to a halt because they won't answer their messages, and other times managers will make decisions based on random personal whims, and it's gotten so complicated that the talent itself no longer knows what the chain of command even is. Cover's whole managerial system is breaking down from having too many layers and too much incompetence within those layers. And that multi-million dollar mocap studio that was going to make it easy for everybody to record whatever they want and nothing would be delayed ever again? Yeah so that was a lie and fuck you, the studio isn't available and your live is getting delayed again.
>Another one throwing the towel due to "disagreements with management"What's happening to Hololive?Did they hire new tard wranglers or are the consequences of Cover corp. going public starting to kick in?
>>90618742We are in the bloat phase.
>>90618754Probably both
>>90618466>Shilling their corpo>in a graduation stickyStay classy /pcg/ raiders
>>90618773same, i had pizza
About time fdund graduated.
>>90618754new managers are telling talent to work hard and talent said no
>>90618364Without being or talking to someone in the company I don't think we know at what level the problem is occurring at. Is it the top that is trying to crack down on things that are different or is it lower level that can't allow for the freedom. If people seem overworked where is the decisions that are making those schedules coming from and how does it get bad enough that people working there feel the best option is to quit instead of being listened to that they have too much work.
>>90618347Losing Fauna is like ripping a core part of Holoen's stability, she was there streaming through the rough times. Her fanbase knows that this isn't what she wanted unless her hand was forced. I'll stop watching Hololive once Mooms and Gura officially leave.
>>90562666Oh nononono sapling sisters I don't feel so good!
>>90618754What would shareholders even say to piss off talent? All of them need to make idol music like Kiara or must go?
>>90618161>Cover hiring ex-Niji managementOh fuck I don't like how plausible this is
LEECH.
>>90618851fauna meshed so fucking well with everyone in collabs. shes not going to bring that same energy as an indie. ill still watch, i love fauna rambles and yaps, but i loved seeing her with other girls who she had a long history with. every stream was comfy.
>>90618754probly a little of bothI get the impression it was never much better, they just put up with it and now they don't cause it's getting worse and every redebut is going to the moonI assume individual managers play a big part, like how is watame doing streams and concerts and a dozen long-form side projects with seemingly zero friction? it's gotta be possible to get out of the homework
>>90598733Gura
>>90618901Based. There to dab on her grave.
Fuck you cover and your boys
>>90612450>turns off the vtuber filter/cam>lights a joint and takes a huge drag>a guy walks into frame then blows a load in her mouth>she looks straight into the camera>a>ends stream
>>90618874>we need you to play Dustborn and Concord while promoting the themes of the narrative
>>90618599I think web services pays well it is the delivery and factory stuff that is out of a Charles Dickens novel
>>90618735>follows Risu tooWhat did she mean by this
the schizos were right...time to act like i always knew this would happen. never admit your mistakes!
>>90618888>Riku said things will change>Shits out 3Ds and concert after the meltdown>Potentially replaced managers>Hololive hired new managersPLEASE, DONT TELL ME HOLO HIRED NOOR
>>90618958I know you are joking but even boomer media has laughed about Concord, so not that.
>>90618713It's like a standing wave, basically
>>90618920maybe she just built different
>>90619017She is friends with Risu
I liked watching Fauna but lets not pretend that she isn't a lazy fuck that thinks the idol stuff is pretty silly.
>>90619017not saying it will happen so soon, but I wouldn't be surprised if some indo girls are pulled into vshojo at some point
>>90612450I unironically think that nothing outside of literally getting arrested IRL would get her fired.A Gura graduation would basically start the downfall of Cover as the #1 vtuber agency. especially now with so many talents leaving
>>90618901you don't capitalize and separate a suffix, you dumb bitch.
>>90618754Talents are sick of having a job and want to go full NEET + stream when bored now that they are financially independent. The "disagreements with management" is just to make sure that as many old fans as possible will follow them as indies
>>90619178If Marine overtakes her, they can get rid of her.
>>90599607Like the guy said. She's happily waiting for you under the lemon tree. Don't make her sad anon.
>>90618947that guy?me
>>90619211Marine doesn't really stream either though
>>90619253Does she stream more than Gura?
My subscription list is slowing becoming a graveyard.
>>90527649Sorry for my curse but that guy annoyed me.
>>90617941>go on a rampage in LA and start some arson or theftno one would notice
>>90617287>without big sponsors>koroneretard
>>90619276Don't listen to that clipwatcher. Marine doesn't stream daily but she does stream.
>>90619204Don't forget to polish the backside of Yagoo's sack as well. That is where most of the sweat and grease gathers.
>>90617520yagoo pissed in her cornflakes
>>90619017It's from before she joined HoloEN. Sen followed her after Risu interacted with her.https://x.com/ayunda_risu/status/1271421823603769344
>>90619340Not an argument. Keep seething.
>>90612283>MelDamn nepotism corp
>>90617414this genuinely my perception of hololive as a company
pls dont use pic related as your model and get something new... maybe a new model from your current mom
>>90619314ESL
>>90619432She'll return as Flora Demeter.
>>90619432fauna couldve been a loli this whole fucking time...fuck cover
>>90619432She will return like Sana non human
>>90619432kill yourself
>>90619531>fauna without titsCRINGE.
Reminder.
>>90619531no
any grudgeposts?
>>90619432Commission a big titty model and a DFC cunny model based on the same design, best of both worlds.
>>90619574Reminder of what? Anon the problem discussed relates to managers and shitty bureaucracy. They can work as they like, doesn't mean shit when it may take months for things to get moving.
>>90619574I feel like a lot of people here pretend they do more than about 2 hours MAX of actual work at whatever bullshit job they have. Most people at their jobs do nothing most of the 8 hours and then actually use their brain for 2 hours. MAYBE 4 if you're a genuine top 10% worker or some shit.anyone who disagrees is coping out of their mind.
>>90618814>new managers are telling talent to work hardMore like talent wants to work but management roadblocks them. Shit, imagine a world where management let Gura do her projects? She'd probably be streaming 5 days a week every week.
I was fully in denial even through Chloe's graduation but this woke me up. Yagoo is Epstein.
>>90619382Oh so it's twitter being retarded with following list sorting then? Doob is just under lemon so it looks like it's sorting by recent following
>>90619211Nah I don't see it.Gura still has monumental brand appeal, especially with casual vtuber fans and normies western or asian alike. Her graduation would be a colossal dent to Cover's hold in the industry. arguably a big enough dent for a new player to enter the scene and take over
>>90619679Shut the fuck up Kronii.
>>90619698>Yagoo is EpsteinHUH???
>>90619679facts. i get so bored at work since i dont socialize
>>90618920>it's gotta be possible to get out of the homeworkCover management obviously practices nepotism and it keeps getting worse.
>>90619574>>90619679If you are a performer on a schedule the actual show is only going to be a small time vs all the prep time to make it not be terrible
>hololive is overHas anyone of value left the company though?>Coco Arguable, since she brought both viewers and money to the company, but she also brought the reddit crowd into vtubing so she was kind of a monkey's paw wish>AquaAgain arguable, she was an established member with a number of achievements under her belt, but lets not kid ourselves she was an Apex spammer and overall lazy>KuroeHer model was sex, but no notable contributions>SanaLazy, barely anyone cared either way>AmeLegacy member, who was lazy and hated her fans>FaunaHard failed her opsec on day 1, was lazy and hated her fansHololive's just fine. Wake me up when someone actually good leaves
suisei
imagine having an oshi from niji back then and that streamer graduated from a company with many graduations and now same happened with holo. its so over
>>90619684Cover would unironically be insanely huge if they hadnt cockblocked Guras creative outlet.Beware all, once all the Cover vtubers with sovl being blocked graduate, and join together, we will witness a golden age dawning on us
>>90619679Depends on the job desu.I work in a warehouse and outside of a 30 minute lunch, we're spending our entire time doing actual work.
>>90619178I love Gura but even I know there is a slight separation in how the EN branch can affect the JP audience. Aqua leaving might have been a more effective reality bat in that regard.Still losing Gura will be devastating on the HoloEN side. Advent and Justice can power on in the content department but Myth and Promise will be fragments as units. Gura doubles the EN box when she's around and events will pull in half the audience now it could. Hololive loses their number one mascot and it will be a big blow on the competitive corpo scene. Twitch has a shot at having the number one vtuber. Kiara will be mind broken by that point and Kiara is the biggest glue in terms of EN communication and morality.
>>90619679sounds like you are working a useless bullshit job, I have a desk job that is actual work nearing manual labor, not meetings and drinking coffee all day.
>>90614937Muh mcdonalds sponsors israel
The best idea is from the anon who said Hololive may have hired ex Niji managers.
>>90619799>hated her fanswhy u talkin mad shit?
>>90619204>Talents are sick of having a job and want to go full NEET + stream when bored now that they are financially independent.>Cover management ITT trying to blame the talentKek.
>>90619850What desk job is manual labor, are you moving desks around all day?
>>90619432Excited to see saplings killing themselves when she revives back as a loli
>>90619679you're either a child who's never worked before, or have some bullshit job in big tech in Cali
>>90619850If I could install a camera to watch you work and analyze your thoughts for genuine work related thought I would bet money you cap at 4 hours of work mentally.
Judging by the people who decided to graduate, it's a shift towards more idol activities at the cost of less normal streamer stuff.
>>90601328because they can live a high quality life with a red superchat for 2 months
>>90619904nearing! But the amount of paperwork I have to get done on an average day amounts to several meters if stacked
>>90619816gura is already too big, see >>90619846not company wants an ip bigger than themI'm still butthurt about suzumiya haruhi byw
>>90619886You need to be 18 to post here, come back when you pass your reading comprehension test
>>90619914>Excited to see saplings cum themselves when she revives back as a loli
>>90600888Already following some nijis and non-vesper on X
>>90619926worked plenty, seen people work plenty. People pretend they work more than they actually do, since its hard to realize when you're not actually exerting genuine effort/how many micro breaks you take. People working warehouses/backbreaking work I will give the pass to but I will also say they probably shouldnt be the standard considering the general effects on one's life they have longterm compared even to farm labor
>>90619914There will be no saplings left after the great burning of the Minecraft tree. We will /become/ whatever needs to be
>>90615362They are they echoing Gura.
>>90619799>Wake me up when someone actually good leavesThat's exactly what Nijisisters are saying. KEK
>>90620013Calm down with gay fantasy anon
>>90619862Which one? Ame had multiple instances so pick whichever you like, while Fauna clearly stated that you're not friends, as if that shit wasn't obvious and needed to be said>>90620080WDYM? Everyone good already left Niji, except maybe Rosemi. What kind of cope is this?
>Marine barely streams because of concert prep work>CC streams at midnight with collab slopI think it's time for me to catch up on some indies I've been neglecting
>>90619029Noor?
So, saplings, are you gonna watch fwmc now? Look they are ready to accept you and your precious support with open arms (after you pay to become a member). Isn't this nice and wholesome?
>>90619980That isn't manual labor. Look any job manual or mental can burn people out, it isn't a competition of which is worse having a damaged mind or body is awful. It is a sign of a bad company when multiple people who work for it all seem to burn or out be broken and after the first one the reaction isn't, we should figure out why this happened to prevent it but bring in the next applicant.
>>90619856 Wouldn't they check past workplaces?
>>90620283absolutely not
>>90620283>We'll be here for you>Members only>We'll be here for you... but only if you pay usYeah fuck them
>>90620283fuwaLEECHco
>>90620176>you're not friendsOf all the holo yabs to happen, this one was the biggest nothingburger. >No male showed up>No outright attack on her fanbase or anything close to the sort>Just Fauna very slightly breaking the illusion because of schizos harassing her, in the kindest way possibleYet this is held up as some career ending yab like rushia GTA, fucking why?
>>90620373they know its nothing, they just have nothing else
>>90620283shant
>>90603774And human beings evolved to be individualistic animals yes yes, kill yourself retard
>>90620283literally leeching graduation, absolutely shameless
>>90620309Can I interest you a job in HR/recruiting, you seem like the perfect fit to find our next victim talent
stop noticing
>>90619178>Gura graduation would basically start the downfall of Cover as the #1 vtuber agencGura graduating would destroy all that is known as vtubing
>>90601328They don’t have any alternatives, it’s this or becoming housewives and starting to pop out babies
>>90620506an entire industry...in the hands of porn-brained goonette
>>90620506True it would unironically lead to the removal of vtubers in everything and the return of fleshies
>>90619856Rentfree and still deepthroating yagoo.
>>90620283There is a reason their roommates were part of a 5 girl idol group and 3 of them decided to form a new one without them and effectively replaced them with 2 new ones.Don't say you aren't warned.
>>90618209>snorting cock
>>90601328it's literally their only way to escape Islam
>>90620051>People working warehouses/backbreaking work I will give the passWarehouse work is mostly sitting idle until a request pops up. Then you fetch a forklift or w/e is available and do your job.Most warehouse workers are retarded though and don't understand the concept of 'work smarter, not harder'.
>>90618156Kyoresu?
>sticky thread >only 1k replies Kek
>>90615832Oh yeah that thing where she once again was a fucking retard that thought getting permissions to a completely different event meant she still had persmissions and do fucking cash prices in a japanese copro.
>>90620493At cover? No chance they peaked during the pandemic only downhill from here as talent starts to figure out they can make more money on their own. Someone who either creates or works at a talent agency like CAA and gets a % is where the money is at.
>>90620283very shameless behaviour
why are newfags here
>>90620720have a (you)
>>90605559way too much trust in legacy companies making horrible decisions because how dare you disagree with an edler
>>90620283These 2 always gave me the ick and every fan of theirs comes over as the biggest mouthbreather.
>>90620013Maybe I can finally start watching her if she's loli
>>90620283FWMC seethe KEK
>>90620283>taking full advantage of the graduation>paypigs onlythe audacity, I fucking kneel
>>90612980asmr is stressful?
>>90619846>Kiara will be mind broken by that pointPeople think of Kiara as the last person to leave Holo EN but she talked about almost graduating around 2022. With things getting worse at Cover and Ame showing her the way I think she's making a low key exit plan to go indie and mulling over whether to go through with it. If she becomes confident she can transfer her audience, succeed without Cover, and form an alliance with friends like Mint, Dooby, and other graduated Holomems, I can see her taking the plunge.
>>90620839truth-bomb. theyre the opposite of sovl
Anyone else had a sinking gut feeling for the first time that Cover/Hololive isn't just incompetent but may actually be doing some not so good things? Not black company level but this is the first time I have found myself skeptical of them and I have always given them the benefit of assuming good intentions but now I don't know how to feel after these last few months and especially this past day. My oshi is still in there but now I'm genuinely worried how she is doing behind the scenes...
>>90620000Unfortunately for you, I read your comment correctly and fully comprehend how stupid it was.
Holo fanbase reaching new levels of pathetic.
>>90620971I'm unironically expecting a kyoani
>>90620971yes is this answer to your question
>>90562666>Korone will leave because she just wants to play games and you can't do that anymore in Hololive>This will make Okayu leave>This will be the final straw to make Kanata leave>This will make Marine leaveIt's all dominos
to be honest with you guysI don't watch EN good riddance
she's dead to me
>>90621050>Holo fanbase reaching new levels of pathetic.Didn't it happen to coco too?
>>90620971>Anyone else had a sinking gut feeling for the first time that Cover/Hololive isn't just incompetent but may actually be doing some not so good things?Are they negligent? Yes. Are they grossly negligent? No. How can you have not enough and at the same time too much management. How can you be both over-and-understaffed.
>>90608101did chloe have one million?i dont ever hear about her after the initial batch of seggs memes
>>90620971I mean, at the end of the day it's a corporation. Of course they're doing "not so good things". That's a given.Corps aren't to be trusted, they aren't your friends. The talents aren't your friends either of course, but at least they exist to entertain you while they bleed your wallet. Corps exist only to bleed your wallet.
>>90620283Not a single bone in me has any hate for the dogs, but ngl this was kind of a shitty move on their part.
I can't wait for her to collab with Vesper now that it's been confirmed they were hiding their frendship while she was in Hololive.
>>90601763As you can plainly see, those who are going to say absurd things in the coming months are doing so as a plan, sow chaos and dissent because they know they can't win any other way. Being anonymous has never been a better advantage to them. And that is implying both talents and fans from other places, despite all the supposed tears for Fauna. So best thing to do now is just be mindful. If Cover is guilty of just straining people, it'll be found out, but too many will just use opportunities to "make other avenues more palatable" through subterfuge, again, citing talents and fans of other organizations and entities.
>>90620971>may actually be doing some not so good things? Not black company levelThey literally broke the law by not paying their artists for over a year.Yeah they're doing some not so good things.
>hololive managers are the only ones keeping the talents working and kept in line>every talent that left hololive turned into a lazy indie whore moments away from starting an onlyfansgood riddancecorpo chuubas > indies
>>90620971They're transitioning from a streaming to an idol corpo. Streamers don't like it, so they're leaving. It's that simple.My guess is that they introduced the 'affiliate' status as a response to this transition to make it easier for talents to leave because of financial dependencies.
>>90621011You don't. The part you quoted hardly blames her for anything. Anyone who doesn't like the corpo environment would be tempted to do the same, and most people who have so far joined Hololive naturally don't, especially the EN branch. Ever wondered why it's always the successful top earner talents that are willfully leaving?If anything it's my second sentence that's blaming Fauna for lying and misrepresenting management for personal gain. But I think that's a reasonable guess given the situation.
>>90609220>lets boost covers youtube bot metrics a bit more!Just stop man.If anything you spineless dogs should be unsubbing from her and cancel your memberships as protest.
>>90620373>yabWho said anything about a yab, retard?>no male showed upIf sapplings cared about males they never would have watched her to begin with>schizos harassing herOh no, someone pissed in the ocean, now I can never go to the beach again! I must let everyone know!>breaking the illusionShe broke taboo for vtubers. Where do you draw the line? Should she do a face reveal next? This isn't Vshojo
>>90621229Affiliate was introduced cause Shareholders were asking over the loss of Aqua as an IP.
>>90620373>you're not friendsPushing away parasocialism was a horrible idea. Which Fauna eventually realized and then she accepted parasocialism. It was definitely a yab but it's an ancient yab she made up for.
>>90621050Won't happen, same effort was done for Mel and it petered out after pushing her up alittle above 900k
>>90620971I had the feeling for over a year and have been trying to warn people for over a year but no one wanted to listen.Even now, gaslighters and unpaid interns still defend the company to the last breath. It is what it is. Some people will just never learn but I'm happy that some do at the very least.
>>90611582her indie channel's lore debut is voiced by fallenshadow. connect the dots
>the only EN I would really commit to making sure I watch live.Seems to me like a real breaking point sitation so I do hope she finda peace later on, sounded like a wreck in the announcement stream.Only real way to not doompost and move on is enjoy her amazing back catalogue and performances.Active or not, corpo meddling or not, I will always love my wife Fauna.
>>90601880I can see Gura burning all bridges and spilling company secrets regarding unethical or even criminal behavior. Could be easily a final yab that would shake the entire industry.
>>90611102Fllen Shadow is an attentionwhore obsessed with getting into fights on twitter so who cares.
>>90620971There have always been some nagging thoughts here and there but generally had the idea that "these things happen" from my own experience at my job.When A-Chan left to deal with family issues despite the fact that quitting your job when family needs to be taken care of is a really bizarre choice to now have to take care of another person with reduced financial security with which to do so, I figured these things happen.When Ina had Visa issues I was reminded of my own dealings with atrocious bureaucracy and figured these things happen.I can no longer in good faith hold on to that belief. Good faith has started to crack and shatter.
>>90621292Makes sense.
>>90621349fanfic
>>90620283Nope. I'm done.
>>90562666Let's walk on a flowery road free of corporate bullying Fauna
>>90619679>I'm a lazy ass at my job so it must be the same for everyoneyou're the one coping you massive faggot
>>90620283>Capitalize on your co-worker quitingAbsolute shameless.Idk about you fags, but as a shamelss asshole myself I call it based, lmao
There can be only one green holo at any given time
>>90621321>"amazing back catalogue">"performances"
>>90619799has anyone who left Holo reached their former glory? maybe Aqua?
>>90620283Say what you want about the doggos but they do know how to milk their fanbase.
>>90621508https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_6XuUoMBp8&t=4745
>>90621531her performances at Breaking Dimensions were really good
>>90619816>Cover would unironically be insanely huge if they hadnt cockblocked Guras creative outlet.Isn't this the same cope they used for Ame?
>>90620971They are selling the girls to investors for cash.
>>90621572If I'm to be a numberfag: Aqua is the one who comes closest to (she is slightly below her average viewership in Holo), although she doesn’t stream that often so she might still be considered within her honeymoon period
>>90620283HOLY BASED
>>90621572Only Sakutan comes close. Kson is a sinking shit and has been since 2023. Dooby is unlikely to reach the heights from before her first big haitus in 2022. Rica has kept her core base. Michael cat, dont start
>>90616912>>90617745>Randon and Vividly Vivi are friends>Vivi has connections with Shondo and Lemon>Lemon and Randon are mutualsthis orc will always be around the corner somewhere huh
>>90620283Fuwamoco are the exemplary idols protecting their fans' smiles unlike flaky bitches like Fauna who only makes her fans miserable
Wait a momentI am an anti now?
>>90621664>Isn't this the same cope they used for Ame?And isn't it true? There's a timeline where Cover didn't shoot down the big things Gura and Ame wanted to do. Holo EN is bigger and Cover is more successful in that timeline.
>>90621777As long as you pay them they will satisfy you, like a good pair of whores.
>>90621777Fauna said she liked the idol stuff
>>90621830Depends on the angle. Do you hate all of Hololive, including the other girls, or just those who caused this Kaneko
>>90618156Mori already does that, it makes her cuter.
Lemonleafhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqytK2xDDmE
I think we'll see Cover doing a Kinzuna Ai skinwalk before long.The IP is a profit center, while the talent management is a cost center and the talent themselves is just a giant liability to manage.I bought all my oshi's merch since her debut in Myth and I even bought group merch like HoloEmblem and the ENreco stuff. I know the cut of group merch isn't that great, but I'm really considering stopping merch buys over this. In the cold-hearted cut-throat business world at least I can vote with my wallet.
>>90619799Aqua would have been a massive, massive loss if this was 2019 or 2020. She is still their most significant loss to date but its impact is significantly lessened to what it could have been.
Somehow both Fauna and Vanta said that yesterday but in a different context.
>>90621900The only girl in EN that would even be worth trying to so that for is Gura and they already let her abandon her fanbase for months.
>>90621898I just put lemonleaf in my thai curry
>>90622000based Suisei slay these hoes
>>90622000trips of truth
>>90604682those who participated in holoGTA are definitely NOT resistance, so cross Luna, Koyo and Peko off that list.Flare is a wildcard, she lives under a rock.
>>90622080Suinay is not based
>>90621052Id rather not have any of the girls dying ya know
>>90621858>trusting faildaughter streamers with project moneydo any of the talent projects like MVs etc actually make money? isnt the point of a "wish" at 1mil to say "fine you can make your unprofitable thing"
So am I like supposed to be sad about this considering she's obviously coming back as a full-time streamer maybe two days after her graduation?
>>90622000Good ol' croatian crocheting forum, post that starts with sounding coherent and devolves into schizo babble
>>90621858No, it isn’t. Under that logic unleashed Ame would've been an amazing force herself. However, we have seen her without any restriction for a while and none of her contents have been that amazing or creative yet, and her viewership is mid too so it doesn’t look like there is a particularly large market for her creativity eitherI don’t think it'd have hurt Cover if they didn’t shoot down whatever they shot down from Ame. I just think there wouldn’t be any significant change
I was at a company that went public and it's impossible for things to stay the same for long afterwards, as much as you try and pretend. It cascades from new exec management brought in to deal with the realities of running a public company. Usually the OGs will be grandfathered a bit as long as the old management exists in some form, since they suffered through the startup days together (think gen 0). At least until your management chain gets kill, anyways. Surprised how quickly it all went to shit, though.The relationship between Hololive, the agency, and talent is going to be adversarial to some degree. Think about it from the ruthless perspective of the company:There was all the drama from a few years ago. You don't want drama from a single talent to sink the company. You own the character IPs, but we all know that's functionally useless if the talent leaves.So then what assets do you have as a company? You have the massive brand and marketing, and an organization that's able to take randos and instantly turn them into popular streamers. You have capital investment into stuff like mocap studios and streaming/events. And you have the tech IP (Hololive is totally a tech startup, right?) Fancy in-house vtubing software, whatever the hell holoearth was supposed to be, etc.From a business perspective, it makes complete sense to churn and burn through talent and expand the roster. It leverages the expertise and assets the company has, while minimizing risk from any single talent. There's also something to be said about the big push for live events/concerts and their strategy with the western audience. HoloEN talent being from so many different countries around the world clearly wasn't an accident.
>>90622000I can't believe Susie made A-chans mother sick!
>>90622391Dooby got screwed over her ISP.
>>90607210>soft-graduates>immediately in the next projecthttps://twitter.com/sakamatachloe/status/1862985620584534068Sakamata and Fauna are very different, I want you dramaposters to understand this.The way this shit plays out can be very nuanced in both directions, especially for JP who are more resiliant to bullshit because their currency is actually worth something at their home country whereas dollars right now are monopoly money. That's also why ID will be stubborn, they're from a shithole, also the flights from there are shorter.
>>90604079>new metaanon that's always been the meta and everyone knows it. It doesn't take a genius to see the merit in gaining an instant 100k following for doing nothing.
Saw some people claim that this proves that thre is no graduation queue. They are both wron and correct.Because thre are is not ONE graduation queue but two instead.One for JP and one for EN.(No one cares for ID)
>>90622390Just use this chance to shit on Cover and Hololive with Holofags. You don’t get to do that everyday, better grab it before everything calm down in a week or two
>>90604386>>90604583The fact that you people still exist to pretend everything is still happy and fine and it's the "doomposters" that are the problem is a mixture of hilarity and tragedy. How the fuck did we end up in a situation where a year ago, Nijisisters were a laughing stock full of cope and now, Holofans have become the thing they swore to destroy?
>>90604864the whole bunch shat on her in the beginning, NOBODY came to help her when she was down. They can all burn for all I care, my pink tard has made it and I will follow her through to the end for this.
>>90622304Neither do i but you really dont expect that no one is insane enough to do it?
>>90622425>From a business perspective, it makes complete sense to churn and burn through talent and expand the roster. It leverages the expertise and assets the company has, while minimizing risk from any single talent.Sure in theory, but then you pull a nijishart
Her silence is not deafening anymore
>>90622561GURA
>>90622531Nah idol fans are fucking retardedly crazy
>>90622323>trusting faildaughter streamers with project money>project moneyForget company money. Cover shot down projects Gura and Ame were willing to self-fund.
>>90622531do idol fans get that mad?they strike me as too deeply embedded in the illusion to balk against it
It hurts broshttps://youtu.be/q7iLVLZfSM0?si=ujXvFigXdMPsviTh
>>90622561chinkling...
First Ame, then Chloe... now THIS. How it got so wrong?I'm one of those people who watches only clips, and seeing community post by that green parrot fuck was the breaking point. The green curse is real!It seems Yagoo achieved his dream of Holo being an idol company. We mocked NijiEN for fucking up everything they had and now the monkey's paw curls. A reminder to all of us to cherish all we have now - because anytime it can be taken away so easily.I never was really into Fauna, but this is still heartbreaking. Stay strong, saplings.
>>90605146these graphs are not for the general public oh god1. Korea is losing more people than Japan, and faster. Their women are on the hardest feminism worldwide since 2014 and their men are busy working at or for Samsung in some way or form. On top of that heavier drinking than Japan, it's like they speedrun their own demise. So of course it's way less heads2. GDP is bullshit3. the IMF is bullshitboth of these, the statistic itself and the body issuing it, is compromised. GDP actually measures the fitness as a slave country in output per head. The more government you need for stuff like "law" or "public projects", the less GDP you generate. This really just shows SK is absolutely cucked.
>>90622652I didn't know this. QRD?
>>90618340Part of the funny, Im apologetic to monsieur für such lowly English >>/lit/ maybe more your cup of tea
>>90622561Our precious canary in the HolomineGawr Tweety beud
>>90618156I'm pretty sure Ollie took a bong rip on stream in one of the among us collabs
>>90622702you need to get pizzapilled junior>>90621898>>90621898>>90621898
>>90622626>>90622653With Fauna blatantly blaming management after Chloe and Aqua already hinted to it, you'll have to realize that every single fanbase is fearing for what is going on behind the scenes in rekation to how they treat their oshi. Yagoo has to come forward tomorrow if only to prevent a kyoani
>>90605515which was a joke you're malinterpreting but her position on the chart is still not wrong, because she'll do anything to keep her now not-as-black job.
>>90622754The IMF is a criminal organization
>>90622754Incredibly based and incredibly correct.
>>90622457I meant, Chloe and Fauna's cases are clearly different in nature when you look into their reasons and their tones in their announcementsDon’t think anyone can put them together in good faith other than "this sure hurt Hololive" sense
>>90617487typical payslave tactics
>>90622457>currency is actually worth something at their home countrylollmao
>>90619799You numberfags could take gura graduating into "Nothing of value lost", insane; Cover has fallen because of jewish suits and there is no going back
>>90562666this is like 9/11 for indonesian amateur statisticians
>>90622817how long can that sentiment survive? I felt bad when pika and pomu graduated and it turns out I didn't have toI feel like the whole "OH NO ANOTHER GRADUATION BROS I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE" is just collective hysteria more than anything at this point, I can not imagine any individual acting on it
>>90622754> public projects dont increase GDPMeanwhile China
>>90622457>their currency is actually worth something at their home countryThe Japanese economy is so shit now that it's becoming the Spain of East Asia, in other words it's getting filled with low quality tourists since the yen is hot garbage right now.
>>90562666GRADUATION RUSHHOLOLIVE SHALL BEAT NIPPLESANJI IN ALL DEPARTMENTSSeriously. What the fuck?
>>90623168>and it turns out I didn't have toNijishart please
>>90623210great milkers it has to be said
>>90604275Going public, mate.
>>90622746>Clipfag and admits it
Why are some fags saying it's because Kronii bullied her or some shit
>>90622788Ame was the canary anon...
>>90622000>THE idol>Makes company idolIt all makes sense now...
>>90617487International branches to one side, they could already do this because all the JPs are in Tokyo. Given they're a tech company and the talents are just 70ish really expensive voice actors bringing the talents in wouldn't change much for their office utilization.
>>90611002didn't last long at all
>>90623338She was still streaming when Gura protest stopped.
>>90609294suits in general pretend they need numbers for fucking everything to have a reason you can point to while not understanding numbers in a big way.YouTube is pushing shorts like crazy because the numbers are like 100-fold (while the payout to the creators is abyssmal). Still all the content mills, holo as well, follow suit. Gotta do what others are doing. Somebody will have thought about this. It'll be fine, look, everybody else is posting brainrot-shorts and dance shit!
>>90619799Gura, Mumei is nextSuisei will become independent after her Budokan live as she has no use for Cover anymore.how many more people have to leave to realize that something is wrong with cover?
>>90621170she was the first of the gen, close with La+
>>90622653Nah kayfabe helps curb that jp idol stuff, Grape or assaulting a talent might bring a more drastic result from fans however.
>>90623338and yet...
>>90623470Fucking Imagine EN without those heavy hitters.Just mousey Ina's zatsus left, going "hey guys"Oh wait, even that got fucked up until 2025. LMAO
I wonder if she cares how this will affect the other girls. Throwing management under the bus isn't going to help merch or ticket sales.
Funny thing is, people is still gonna donate SC, memberships and buy merchs like crazy before Fauna is completely gone.Which provided income for the company anyway.
>we're losing Smol FaunaUnfortunate... She's an adorable little gremlin.
>>90623695>we're losing wide Fauna
>>90623641>how will help other girls>talks about corpo shitAnd the mask comes off.
>>90623579Now that Fauna is leaving. the future of HoloEN is Biboo, Fuwamoco, CC, Gigi with Kiara, Calli.
So she's not going the affiliate route? What are the odds that being an affiliate is solely if Cover is willing to let you and they told her no?
>atheist and vegan.deserved
>>90623749It's exclusive perk for 1m+ channels.
>>90623780/sp/, please explain what the fuck you meant by this.
>>90623676It's always an ESL and all you will be able to come up with is a "he is right" reply
>>90623641>Won't anyone thing of the poor CEO!
>>90623749Judging by her tone, it probably was the other way around
>>90622817Im legit scared for Kanata
call me shallow but I can't support Mommy if her voice comes out of her roommate's avatar. shit, design.
i always thought fauna would graduate only after the minecraft tree was done. this is truly surprising for me.
>>90623779isnt her whole family veganim willing to overlook it
>>90623901Lamy
>>90623901Kanata is hard into idol path. She isn’t leaving anytime soon unless she actually goes deaf
>>90623950It's not about leaving anon. It's about something else
>>90622457>their currency is actually worth something at their home countryJesus Christ, you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>90614103bro those are the non-thinking masses, they'll always be there, remember this hobby is for social rejects like us for fucks sake.let's see what the pink tard has to say in her mengen in 15 minutes, her title says enough that the alarm bells even in the (supposed) upper echelon are ringing and they hear the forth trumpet loud and clear.
>>90623924maybe she will get back to it during the last month.I atleast doubt she won't mention it, since she was talking about it with Shiori not to long ago.
>>90623924she did say she'd finish ittree labor collabs soon
>>90623749she doesn't want to be an affiliate, she wants to leave.
>>90621876clearly not enough
>>90623470>Suisei will become independent after her Budokan live as she has no use for Cover anymore.Holy shit that didn't occur to me but it's plausible. Why let Cover keep taking a cut of her money if she no longer needs to? If Cover goes down in flames next year they'll have no one but themselves to blame.
>>90613263hold on a second, is that Old IRyS on that?
I think anyone acting surprised that nipponese companies are shit to work for must be 3rd worlders. I'll miss Fauna but she will be back.
>>90623286You say it like it's a bad thing, I don't have the time for the streams.>realize I post it on 4channevermind...
>>90624064No, I think it's just darker for some reason. Doesn't have mismatches thigh-highs like OldRyS
hoping for the worst if she goes indie and goes running back to that Shondo bitch
>>90624064Old Irys have dark skirt
>>90623641>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BLAME MANAGEMENT FOR MANAGEMENT'S OWN FUCKUPSHopefully it effects the other girls by making them decide to graduate and go indie or at least give Cover the ultimate to fix management or else they graduate and go indie.
>>90616529>what's the problem exactly?we won't get any more kino collabs between fauna and the other girls. that's the real and only loss
>>90623641Fauna doesn't just throw people under the bus, it's obvious that it's the reason she's leaving. Should small manes be fired? Very likely no, the decisions are above them.
>>90614721Japan wasn't its own country since 1945.got washed into US-led globalism as the factory of the world, which brought them huge wealth and they and us here in Germany were the poster children for "it's all well in the west".Until it wasn't. The Japanese bubble burst, the cheap labour was gone and China and SK took over being the factories of the world. All Japan and Germany have left now is highly specific and sophisticated parts, and both countries are highly energy dependent. See Nordstream why this matters. The US is falling apart at the seams and their two experimental neo-colonial vassal states carry all the debt forward due to Dollar-enabled exports of inflation, in the case of Germany even taking the entire EU with them.
>>90623470>>90624050Delusional. This is the exact opposite of Niji, in Niji's case the company needs them, without the talents Niji is worthless, meanwhile in Holo, these girls NEED Holo brand, without Holo brand they become worthless.
How is it that gura can work out some bullshit deal where she stays in hololive and does whatever she wants ie. nothing, and yet Fauna despite best intentions has to leave? Why won't they let her stay here and just do her thing?
>>90624277In what way does Suisei need the Holo brand at this point in her career?
>>90614812all humans are like this. we are simpletons to the deepest level because we grew up in the relative simplicity of the 90s and took too much for granted. The good times and the weak men it created will now bite us in the ass to create hard times.
>>90624318Fauna isn’t valuable enough
now use the real voice insteadhttps://files.catbox.moe/ob87dc.mp4
>>90624277Aren't the girls already rich? At this point it's worthwhile to take a paycut and viewer cut to take home all profits and do whatever you want.
>>90624318>How is it that the channel with 4m subs is more valuable to a company than the one with 900kGee I dunno anon
>>90621229I don't buy this. Aqua is the biggest idolfag. Pretty sure Chloe wants to be an idol too. And like Fauna said, she wanted to be an idol too.This is more of shareholders wanting to profit more on shilling and merch, giving them unreasonable amount of work, coupled with insane restrictions and incompetent managers who can't do stuff properly, (see Ina visa issue and FaunaMumei song still haven't released) you get to where we are.
REMINDER: Fauna hated her fans and only ever cared about the money(jewish behavior)
>>90624318>face of Hololive EN vs runt of PromiseHmmm I really wonder???
>>90624318Fauna wants to stream
>>90624277Well, Sakuna just proved this isn't the case anymore. Now more Holo Talents will realize this and leave now.
>>90624502LMAO
>>90624318Maybe Gura doesn't want to do nothing. Maybe she'd like to stream but she's too demoralized and/or protesting management.
>>90624318doing nothing seems to be the ideal for nu-holowanting to do your own thing with their trademark/refusing to play ball with whatever they line up = brand riskmight be a pokemon sort of transition, dont need the original product anymore because 90% of the money is elsewhere
>>90624408A lot of the girls don’t care (that much) about money. Like, Bae wants to do 3D concerts and is hoping for a solo live (admittedly unlikely right now). Being indie pretty much will make that impossible without dumping most of her savings.Then there is large scale merch releases, see how Kson's indie merch attempt went
I dont think it's because she doesn't want to do idol stuff. It really is managers not doing their job properly such as not getting work visas done on time. Previously approved projects getting canned for seemingly no reason. Maybe anything that doesn't seem profitable enough gets denied, which kills passion and burns you out. There was also something kind of sinister about how devis had to reach a certain amount of subs in order to get their 3D. And the way fuwamoco kept pushing for 1 million to the point of desperation. What if it was management that made them go so hard on the numbers? reaching 1 mil looks good for investors, so it would make sense.Fauna is someone who was close to 1 mil, so maybe they wanted her to focus on numbers, which fauna couldn't agree with. ASMR content also unfortunately tends to get demonetized by youtube, so maybe they wanted her to move away from it because it wasn't profitable. Would be interesting if once she returns to her PL she immediately starts doing ASMR again.
>>90624524That only applies to girls people actually like. Only cucks like Fauna and Ame.
>>90624524>Sakuna's viewership is already lower than Aqua>No merch release yetHow did she prove that?
>>90624530>protesting managementThis is the funniest post I've read in this whole thread anon. Thank you I needed that laugh
>>90624589It's because she hates her cuck fans
>>90624329https://youtube.com/watch?v=uXUNZLPrgy8She was trying to leech from MALE NIJI of all people before she joined Holo, she's a literal nobody and people only care about her because she's Holo.>>90624408Sure, they'll 100% not be as big and successful as they're in Hololive for sure but it might net them more money overall if the redebut goes really well and they're not fizzle out and become irrelevant after a month.
even without rrats it makes sense for her to leave, I am expecting most of myth and council to follow the same road in 2025> most girls closing in on 30> cover salary is good but not enough for early retirement> need to either commit to streaming or find a real "career"> avoid youtube tax and cover tax by moving to twitch> can focus on streams rather than idolshit> no need for perms, no need for managers> hololive growth buff has ended a long time ago> dooby showed that you can retain most of the fanbase> possible collabs with new audiences> more free time by avoiding idol training / streaming can become a side gigby 2026 only kiara, calli and bae will be left
>>90624589Fauna doesn’t want to travel to JP. That makes her "I still want to be an idol" moot since Cover only records their idol activities in JP
>>90624340This shit is so snide it makes me sick. There was plenty of misery back then, you were just sheltered from it and only experience of culture was through the TV. Deindustrialization had taken its toll and everyone had just failed to stop NAFTA. The hoods were on fire. Everyone likes to shit on Cobain, but he came from one of those poor working class areas, by a single mom, where everyone was on heroin (like fent today)There was even a documentary about open underage prostitutes in the PNW in the 90s. Not everyone was in the suburbs in the wake of neoliberalism, bro.
>>90624717>> avoid youtube tax and cover tax by moving to twitch(You)
>>90608952She will easily get them soon enough from FOMO fags who never watched her streams.
>>90624724>Fauna hates Japan because it isn't woke enough for herGood riddance
>>90624630merch takes time, she'll also have her own solo live in the future.Companies would be stupid not to fund her considering how much audience she has.
>only subbed to aqua, ame, fauna and gura>gura is all thats left
>>90605559Same thing that happened to America, became a service economy and let it's manufacturing sector flee to cheaper countries
>>90624717>moving to twitchThat's a deathsentence
>>90624883It's going to be okay, anon..
>>90624453Being an idol by Cover standards is basically anything but streaming. Voice recording, dancing lessons, etc.Aqua is a streamer by heart.
>>90624724>Fauna doesn’t want to travel to JPsauce?
>>90624883at least gura will never quit because she had sex with marine
>>90624807youtube yoinks 30% of what people superchat
Shion outlasting Aqua, Lap outlasting Chloe and now Kronii and Mumei outlasting Fauna it's never the ones we expect somehow.
>>90618192>>90618436would also like to hear more from actual saplings, it was her let's play she recorded as a bridge for a vacation right? which was announced well before and then executed as planned, how could there be backlash?
>>90624883>gura is all thats leftoh no no no
>>90624974Twitch cut's 50%
>>90624913Dooby multistreams to both. I don't see why any EN wouldn't follow her lead.
>>90624277>Coping word by word nijisister textNothing ever changes, go shove that boot up ur arse
>>90607947She's leaving because while she loves being an idol and spending time with her viewers, she finally hit her breaking point with management fuckery
>>90624641You can't say it isn't a possibility, anon. Do you think she isn't making an implicit threat towards management every time Senzawa becomes active?
>>90624998Dooby had twitch exclusive streams.
>>90625016>while she loves being an idol and spending time with her viewers,LOLLMAO
>>90624948She said it twice on stream so far. I'm having breakfast, though, so you'll have to gimme an hour to fet back for timestamp(Or you can look through the archive, pretty sure it was mentioned before)
>>90624944>Being an idol by Cover standards is basically anything but streaming. Voice recording, dancing lessons, etc.During 2020-2021 when she had her sololive, she was doing all of those while ALSO streaming a lot. She had no problems then. But why suddenly she had a problem now?
>>90617664why would (((they))) destroy entertainment?In German the word is "Unterhaltung" - holding under. Bread and Circus baby, the same way Caesar did it still holds true.Without internet, holos and games we'd be out there with pitchforks and torches already.
>>90624997it's 30% if you can hold more than 300 non prime subs for 3 months, and only on subs not on donations.
>>90562666I just hope the saplings are okay. In other news, sales of rope and single shotgun cartridges worldwide just increased by 0.03 percent overnight and analysts don't know why.And of course the sticky gets Satan trips. Fuck this whole ass planet.capcha: gyrj8. No, capcha, don't use a gyrojet for that. It wouldn't work.
>>90623641Throwing management under the bus should be something everyone does without needing a reason.I distinctly remember the Korone fan game launching Yagoo off of a wall.Besides as a watcher who gives a shit what management thinks.
>>90625068She also said she would do YT exclusive ones
This couldn't have happened to a more deserving fanbase. Cucklings are worse than deadbeats.
RIPI mostly watch clips but Fauna is one of those who's funny and witty without needing to lean full force on stupid gimmicks.
>>90608026>Probably going indie.She has already been posting a few videos on her original account.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqytK2xDDmEShe said streaming is her dreamjob so it's 100% guaranteed that she will go back to streaming as lemonleaf on January 4th.
>>90624686>before she joined Holo, she's a literal nobodyAnd now Suisei's a somebody. When you're big enough to hold a solo concert at the Budokan I don think you need the Hololive brand anymore.
>>90625179>this is the kind of subhuman that is a cucklingJesus...
>>90625179everything i know about skirts i learned from fauna
>>90562666Gura Mumei Faunaif the big 3 all left it's over.
>>90625127>I distinctly remember the Korone fan game launching Yagoo off of a wall.QRD?
>>90625237Stay mad ;^)
>>90625191LOLLMAO
>>90625191Okay, this is epic
>>90625232hololive gives her much easier access into the greater zeitgeist
>>90625063Her protesting would be actually saying something about what's going on. Ghosting and being active as Senzawa is just that, and threat, just her way to get Cover to play ball and let her just sit in the background to collect pay which they already are willing to do. Gura doesn't give a shit about anything anymore but her bank account otherwise she would have pulled the trigger a long time ago to be Senzawa full time
IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING
>>90625284The holos were streaming it for a while. It was a side scroller where you walked to the left as a fan and things would happen to spook you.I think it was called Dog God Korone or some variation of that.Anyway Yagoo gets launched off a wall and splats about halfway in on day 2 or 3
>>90625109Just like how you aren’t the same as you 3-4 years ago, so is she. She mentioned on Sakuna that she wants to chill and stream / work on projects on her own pace now. Told fans not to expect anything big, although later she did say she wants to do 3D lives (and even joked about wanting to get solo live in budoukan)So it just looks like she no longer want to deal with workload / deadlines of working in a group anymore
The vegan idiot left huh
>>90618436>>90624982Sapling prime here.A good half of the viewers shat on her way of playing the game, the whole time. It's not like I don't understand why, honestly, she always (literally, always) gave up at the very first trouble she had when attempting something in game, and just went somewhere else. She also completely ignored obvious things right in front of her eyes, multiple times, to the point chat (during the premiere) was going insane. Insults were thrown. Half of the chat found her denseness amusing, the other half found it maddening.Fauna doesn't like to be emotive during her streams, and she doesn't like to share her private feelings. But she was so hurt by this that she admitted, after coming back from her vacation, "I would be lying if I said that the reaction of some people... didn't hurt me. Just a little." The way she put it, it probably really hurt her.She went out of her way to leave everyone something to watch while she was on vacation and people shat on her.
>>90625293>madLMAOI'm happy as hell right now. You lost :)
>>90624050>why not spit in the face of the very people who gave you absolutely everything you have, when you had nothing and were a rejected nobody before themNothing personal, its just business
>>90625191Based chumbud post 13 days ago
>>90625283Big 3 is now Mori, Biboo, FWMCRising stars are CC and GigiIrys and ERb for singers
>>90625385Oh that one.
>>90625409OK you got me ;DD
>>90625467>ERB for singersI believe you mean Nerissa?
>>90608993>>90609084>>90611102qrd?
>>90625408To her defense, Outer Wilds pushed all her wrong buttons. Moving in space made her dizzy, time limit gave her anxiety, etc.
>>90609447...so what you're saying is that Cover needs MORE managers to deal with the bloat, got it
What's going to happen to Fauna's member streams? Are they going to disappear?
>>90625532pekomiko level schizo theorycrafting
>>90625559Oh and claustrophobia, she does have problems riding planes after all
>>90619679>>90619840he was referring to white-collar bullshit jobs, a.k.a. wrangling programmers to make their workflow more like "CD with program is done this will work forever" instead of constant patching and edge case recovering.blue-collar actually works and deserves fucking respect, especially from all the fucking office jockeys. My day usually consists of 7 hours of meetings where I play factorio on the side. The few times I actually work is when the tards above me decided on what I may now actually finally do.They optimize and fuck around for over a year so I save maybe 10 minutes of re-doing stuff that changed.
>>90625408don't saplings realize part of the job is playing like ass for women streamers? girls who are retarded are cute
>>90625313I actually followed Lemonleaf long before she joined Hololive.I think it will be really funny to see the mommyfags come back and see her oshi with a loli maid model lmao. I really hope she doesn't change it.
>>90625574Membership will be closed so yes, unless she decides to do what Pomu did and to make them all public.
I can't believe that Fauna hated her EN branchmates so much that she chose to graduate just so she didn't have to be with them anymore.
>>90625631Trust me, it was truly "next level". Impressive, in a way. You have to play Outer Wilds and then watch her whole playthrough to understand.
>>90625593Wait, is that why she doesn’t want to travel? I've always thought that it was her veganism (how hard it is to find food to be specific)
>>90625631It was so incredibly well timed and inexplicably dumb that it felt like she was doing it on purpose. Not even joking.
>>90624277*glug glug glug*Damn these yagoo cocksucking noises going cxrazy today. Leave some cum for your bretheren.
>>90611851Refused to put out for the Yakuza members financing cover
>>90625798>I've always thought that it was her veganismCombination of both, Japan is very vegan unfriendly. Plus some hikki / trust issues.
>>90625724To be fair when we see Fauna she is in control of the stream. She can filter things the way she wants.As a creative type, I know how nasty we can be but I know girls can be even worse. Girl creative? Lord have mercy.Sounds like management decided to be the biggest faggot though but I'm coming around to the theory they had to renew Fauna's contract and gave her the shit end of the stick.As someone that watched Fauna when she was on and I was home I'm sad to see things end like this but I'm pretty confident Cover brought it on themselves.They had years to figure out who they were dealing with.
>>90625715Thanks for the answerLooks like I have to binge all the member streams I've missed before it's too late
>>90613436It's an ai, retard
>>90620506>Gura graduating would destroy all that is known as vtubingEven I don't believe this and I'm a chumbud. It will hurt HoloEN A LOT though. Myth and Promise will never recover if Fauna and Gura both go. Advent and Justice can power through with content but even they will be affected if the mental health and support from Myth and Promise becomes bad. Losing Number One will impacts Hololive's standing amount the corpos. Fillan could make a play for Number One and bump Twitch's and the indie's stand in vtubing.
>>90625798That's silly, Tokyo still has plenty of options. She was talking about "meeting/colleague" restaurants she went to.
>>90609614yeah, it will be quite the sight
>>90623168the only people panicking over graduations are the people who won't support the chuuba as an indie. all in all no losses on that front.
>>90622000https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV70B8ypbO8at least link a clip and not a regurgitated schizo mess
>>90625408Most youtubers/letsplaters end up with this problem. It's not exclusive to her fanbase, people just love backseating and telling others how to do stuff their way so it has to happen at some point, and it's good that she figured out a way to deal with it, so that next time it happens it won't be as frustrating or as hurtful as the first experience.
>>90625408playing only 1h sessions sometimes days apart will do that, it was just a bad fit for the formatit was very entertaining and a lot of people tuned in, I feel like the white station epilogue is a sign that it didnt bother her that much / might even be a point of pride beating the game without itshe's a truuu gamer in the end, she doesn't want to savescum or even use the hint mechanic in LA noire and you can tell she's not looking at chat for many of the interactions. outer wilds just happens to be the most backseated game in history, even bleeding through the let's play format
>>90611289>watamerip Pippa, kek
>>90626004>Tokyo still has plenty of optionsNo it doesn't. It really doesn't.>T. lives in Japan and had a vegan gf.We're talking about pre-corona, something like 6 years ago, but back then Tokyo had 2 vegan friendly restaurants. In the whole metropolis. Every time we wanted to go out it was a major issue. I doubt much has changed.
>>90625393>So it just looks like she no longer want to deal with workload / deadlines of working in a group anymoreI would be the same boat at you before, but now Chloe and now Fauna confirmed it was management dispute over a change of direction. How many more graduations will people have to suffer through to realize that maybe this time there is something wrong with Cover and its new direction?
>>90625371IT JUST KEEPS TUMBLING DOWNTUMBLING DOWNTUMBLINGDOWN
>>90625894>Japan is very vegan unfriendlyThe fuck you talking about? Japan's one of the most vegan friendly countries. Half their cuisine is some combination of rice and vegetables.
>>90619840>>90625612Lol nope. I work in an Amazon warehouse and we basically do fuck all. I don't consider driving around boxes and pallets to be a job just cause 90% of your coworkers are too brain dead to use a bike or electric scooter. Boohoo I walk 10-15 miles cause I'm to dumb to be trusted with a vehicle it's not like kids run 30 miles in africa for the privilege of going to school.
>>90626031>Doesn't specify what management actually does for talents>Expect disgruntled fans to side with her
>>90623168dependsif the trust and investment decays as a result and people end up leaving the fanbase + vote with their wallets, it might push them to do some mitigations
>>90623032it is, have you seen the house prices there?or how much you pay for 0,5l of any drink? (100 yen in vending machines)this is wildly different from Europe or the US.>>90623210it's true that dollars and euros are right now plundering the place, but they still get Yen for that. The INTERNAL economy is fine, they're only fucked going outside.Which is all their imports like energy I now realize.Oh no.
>>90626067Fauna never really had that problem, she's quite decent at everything she plays. It was Outer Wilds specifically just pushing all her wrong buttons.>>90626078To be honest, I think she looked up solutions or got hints from someone, when trying to solve Outer Wilds. It's kinda suspicious that she solved most of the story in the very last stream. It just wasn't a game made for her.
Without Space there can be no Time, no Nature and no Humanity.All that remains is Death.
https://files.catbox.moe/nzrxn2.mp4Funny how this is relevant again
>>90625993That is endtimes scenario for everyone. Filian is a dancing monkey, and twitch culture to boot.The death of legit vtubing for EN. Just another avenue for thots when they're too ugly to flesh stream.
>>90623205>gommunism>publicit's the state monopoly, none of this is for (you)n
>>90605507This still doesn't exclude the possibility of other reasons, anon
>>90626084If they want Jap beggars, yes, otherwise no.
>>90626225>mgs x cumbuddy cringeInstantly closed the tab.
>>90626084What do their vegetarian offerings include, since they're Asian and milk is less popular?
>>90626137You have no idea what you're talking about. We put a little meat, fish, milk or egg in everything. Literally give me one example of a vegan friendly typically Japanese dish.Only ones I can think of, top of my head, are recipes typical of Nara, usually eaten by Buddhist monks. Not found everywhere
>>90626232Filian is less of a thot than most holotubers.
I came here to laugh about sapling shitposting, but now I just want to kill managers along with all the other retarded suits that drive out everyone actually making money or fans. Can't believe the retards are even ruining vtubers now.Just a few years ago, I was obsessed with Hololive and posting here every day. Fucking cancer.
>>90626286You mean *MGR
>>90625993Hololive's downfall will make twitch rise. That's exactly what will doom vtubing. 95% of twitch vtubers are parttime vtubers;parttime fleshies
>>90626137It's a stereotype from people who believe that Ramen and Gyoza are traditional Japanese dishes.
>>90626286Well, this was from /hlg/ 2 years ago.
>>90624012how long do (you) have to work for a humble house in the sticks right now, without taking a loan, paid in cash?The number is 10 years for the japanese, right here, right now.The UK just invented loans over 50 years which you "may inherit to your children".Explain to me how the yen is fucked beyond recognition again, you with an idea what you are talking about.
>>90626300>vegetarian offeringsThere is no such thing. Restaurants just don't offer "vegetarian" dishes. People hardly even know what "vegetarianism" is here. It's even worse with "veganism".
>>90623168While people love the streamer themselves, they also love her friends and the environment she is in. Its painful to some people that your oshi will never go back to those good times again
>>90621898>disgusted by cockroachnot joining vshojo or nijisanji confirmed
>>90626345All metal gear is shit
>>90626194Yes basically any country that still domestically produces something can retain some semblance of affordability. Japan still makes a lot of stuff that's better quality than we get in a lot of cases.
>>90626412I'm sorry for your bad tasteI hope it isn't terminal
>>90626398Based Japan.
>>90626137even if that were true it's not good enough for veganscondiments, sauces, curry etc all have animal products. you might get away with refusing food for no reason in the west but in japan people will assume you have a problem with them specifically. enjoy inconveniencing everyone around you for the rest of your life
>>90626374Nigga standard ramen and standard gyoza are not vegan friendly. There's meat in both.
>>90616841>underestimating japanese retardation Ngmi
>>90626316The point is her show is retard, reality TV brainrot
>>90626226
>>90626398What about buddhists? The word itself maybe, but not eating meat isn't a mystery
>>90626137Being vegan is hard everywhere. Look up Japanese restaurant chains, you'll be hard pressed to find any restaurant that serve vegan food. Ramen? Meat.Rice bowls? Meat.Teishoku? Meat.BBQ and hotpots? Meat.Miso soup has meat.That said, I doubt food is a factor. Surely someone there can help her make her own food.
>>90620506>>90625993>>90626232>>90626352>nigger tourists who discovered vtubing in 2020KysHololive's best days went by before HoloEN started.
>>90626315>Literally give me one example of a vegan friendly typically Japanese dish.Hey Mr. Japanese, have you ever heard of Omusubi or Onigiri? You can buy them at convenience stores.
>>90624771me neither I was in the sticks in rural Germany.tell me how complicated your fent-ridden 90s were without emails, without being CONSTANTLY REACHABLE VIA A DEVICE IN YOUR POCKET.Where you'd still write the occasional letter.It's the same fucking shit but now you're blasted full force with sloptertainment from every single channel so you consoom product as well, plus everything has to be a needlessly complex process
>>90626542Quoting this anon for emphasis. Japanese tradition is neat and novel to view...From a distance.
Is hololive itself just an elaborate battle royale?
>>90626620>restaurant chainsJust cook yourself, retard.
>>90626620That's because veganism is rather extreme for humans.
>>90625283Gura doubles the EN boxes when she's around and draws EN a lot of money as a mascot; Fauna is a CCV powerhouse and scratches a needed itch for EN; Mumei is social with all four EN gens, beloved and is close to all EN members with influence minus Mori.Mori is left. Kiara will not be the same if both Gura and Mumei go. But at that point HoloEN might as well be the Mori branch with Mori leading everything.
>>90626184>corpo bad! I only listen to talents!>sees clip of talent saying corpo not always bad>fuck that cunt! doesn't count, corpo still bad!you do realize why no one takes you sisters seriously, right?
>>90626498>condiments, sauces, curryI think most of those are vegan friendly, actually. It's just that you don't eat those by themselves.>YakisobaHas meat>OkonomiyakiHas meat or seafood>SushiWell, not explaining this one>OyakodonMeat and eggs>TonkatsuPorketc. etc.If you're vegan and in Japan, you survive out of white rice.>>90626611See >>90626315>>90626637You are literally the most retarded gorilla alive. What do you think is inside Omusubi and Onigiri, most of the times?
>>90626631Yes anon, we're talking about EN specifically, in an EN thread. Are you dense? JP are largely still there for (You).
>>90626637For the love of god, you can't be this stupid.
>>90626791>>Gura leaving would destroy vtubingThat doesn't sound like you are talking specifically about EN faggot.You are just a tourist and you will forever be a tourist.
>>90626880Thank you for your concession, crewmateshart
>>90626637You are stupid and it shows
>>90626739lots of condiments use animal products in ways you don't realize. Lot's of people probably don't even realize that mayo is basically just an egg sauce(Vegan mayos exist, but you'd be hard pressed to find businesses that choose that over something like a kewpie). Not to mention, Fauna is one of those vegans where she has to be absolutely certain that the person who made the food didn't even breathe in the same room that had animal product in it or else the whole dish is ruined. Like how in that off collab she made Bae get kind of annoyed because she thought that her rice paddle or something touched her food and was contaminated with some non-vegan thing.
>>90620971If you've ever worked for a Japanese company or any Asian company for that matter, you'd know how much sketchy and law breaking most of them are. Guaranteed some seedy shit is going down
Gura leaving and becoming an indie would fuck over Holo EN hard but it'd probably lead to an indie vtuber golden age.
>>90626739really? i heard fish sauce/paste is in literally everythingt. gas station sushi eater / takeout orderer
>>90626686Yes, that's what I said.But slow down and use your brain for a second. Imagine visiting Japan for a vacation/business, where would a typical person be eating at, double retard?
>>90626985> Lot's of people probably don't even realize that mayo is basically just an egg sauceWe call those "retards".
>>90627036No it wouldn't. She wouldn't stream ever, even with complete "talent freedom." The only thing that would change is now a bunch of indies would get big heads because they have potential to get more views/viewers than Gura and conclude that they must be more talented and better than her.
>>90626985In that case, like the previous poster pointed out, you just have to cook for yourself. It sounds sad maybe to a rich Doordash addict, but it's really not that scary.Maybe you could even find some poor obaasan to come over and cook for you for a housecleaner's level salary if you're that awkward in the kitchen.
>>90627132i wouldn't want to put some poor obasan through the annoying antics of a vegan. the second there's any chance she slipped up(even if she didn't), she's going to get abused and a sweet old lady doesn't deserve that.
>>90625993>Fillan could make a play for Number Onebro all she wants to do is do flips and play league of legends
>>90627036She barely exists. She'd be quite retarded to give up on free money. At this point she's nothing more than a png to be marketed.Also pl still hasn't uploaded anything since Gura.
>>90626737How are people like you STILL going for the sister narrative?Do you think the graduations and disgruntled talent talking about how shit management have been is all a big psyop from Nijisanji/Phase/Vshojo/[insert Indie I don't like here]? Do you ever get bored of playing the victim?
>>90625408imagine being a backseater, spending time actively writing into chat for someone to clear a game about re-living the same thing until you clear it, piecing the puzzle together.imagine being such a pathetic little shit. If you know it so well (from either your previous runs or even worse, playthroughs of others who studied the wiki beforehand), go play it yourself.God I hate these people so much it's unreal. It's a bit on Fauna as well, there is such a thing as bias towards the negative comments. Because humans look for feedback. Thousands spamming how cute you are for the nth time are overlooked, the few idiots nitpicking stand out. All livers have to deal with this. It's frankly a skill, but I still sympathise with Fauna on this one since she went the extra mile to be there when she actually isn't.
>>90626985>>90627039Yeah I agree, but I mean, olive oil is just olive oil, for instance. Onions sauce is also produced in a quite traditional way, most of the times, here in Japan. I think those are safe for vegans.Of course, more processed sauces could be dangerous and I'm sure vegans would be suspicious, but the simple / basic ones should be safe. Still, it doesn't help at all.
>>90627245You can prepare the ingredients to go in beforehand, just say "use this in place of this" "yes, we know it smells awful"
What cracks me up is that cover corp seems to have a group of crusaders being angry at people asking questions of Cover's role in fauna leaving and going why tf are people blaming management, and even calling management responsibility as 'speculation'When Fauna herself explicitly mentioned management and how she loved her job but felt the need to leave because of a disagreement with management. I get company loyalty, but it is just incredibly fascinating that they just disregard what she says in the video when they dismiss everything as baseless speculation.
>>90627361Fuck I completely forgot we still have that filter
>Hololive preparing for a massive full company McDonald's sponsorship>They all gotta eat/lie about eating the burgers>That's the LINE for herWould a vegan quit over a scenario like that?
>>90627402>I get company loyaltyno company is loyal to you so why should you have any loyalty for them?
>>90627430I'm pretty sure one of Shaggy's voice actors did quit or got recasted temporarily over something like that because the actor was vegan.
>>90627430She could just say that the fries are tasty.
>>90627323Yes but it's a skill one has to develop, rather than attempting to sanitize the world like retarded jannies, discord mods, and internationalists. Because otherwise it will just be used to control you.
>>90627036No, because if Gura ever left Cover (she won't because it's easy money and no work for her) and goes back to being an indie with one stream here and there to milk her fans they will finally and truly realize that she's not streaming often because she doesn't give a fuck anymore.
>>90626739>You are literally the most retarded gorilla alive. What do you think is inside Omusubi and Onigiri, most of the times?So you can't buy the ones with konbu, umeboshi or natto? There are available everywhere, because they are very popular amongst Japanese people.
>>90627430Everyone knows she's vegan, so trying to force her into that would be the dumbest fucking thing because no one would mind her sitting out.
>>90627430A menhera retard vegan like Fauna, yes.
>>90627280To be fair, Cover used to be lightyears better than Niji, Phase, Vshojo etc. and 99% of the people shitting on it were just butthurt out of seething jealousy. But things are suddenly going real fucking wrong real fucking fast over at Cover. They haven't reached Niji levels of implosion yet but they're getting there.
>>9062663780% of which contain some sort of fish or beef or at least some mayo, extra hard mode when you can't even read those squiggles.
>>90626503You can't fucking read, how were you able to solve the captcha to post your retarded reply?
Hey Holo, are you gonna use that talent?
>>90627541You want to eat only onigiri for an entire week? That's not eating vegan, that's eating poor lmaooo
>>90627430Don't they have a vegetarian burger now? She could just say "remember no mayo *wink*" and play it up. If anything it would encourage more kids to veganism.
>>90627430Fauna never really cared about other people not being vegan. I think I've never heard her criticizing non-vegans ever, in a single stream, not even a single word. Not in a game when eating meat, not during cooking streams, etc.
>>90627541>just eat white rice lmaoBringing beriberi into the 21st century.
>>906276094chan pass :)
>>90627642she wouldn't do that because she knows they absolutely use the same grill/microwave to cook the veggie patty that they use for the beef patty.
>>90627280>wants hololive to fail>You're the sister, not me!I believe you have mental damage. seek helpbut let me humor you for a second. I'll believe cover bad, when I see actual proof that cover badtalents leaving or saying they don't agree with management isn't proof, I want to see some real evidence, like what we've seen with anycolor
>>90627694Paying for one still requires you to read to an extent, which you obviously suck atDid your mom do it for you?
So this weird as fuck stream title was basically a last warning to management? "Either you address our problems or I am gone with my 900k subs"
>>90627430Ms. Fauna a second burger just hit the world tree
>>90627629>sakana "ey holup we havin too much fun lets be boring twitch normies now" connectHe started this shit even before Holo's new arc
>>90627541>There are available everywhere,They are absolutely not. You're lucky if you find natto ones at a konbini.
i would behead all two of my relatives that delay my meal by 10 seconds any time we're at a restaurant but i'd willingly eat vegan replacement turdmeat for fauna
Why is this schizo melting down over....vegan dishes? Do you have no real problems? Why didn't your mother beat your ass?
>>90627650> I think I've never heard her criticizing non-vegans everYeah, but you know internally she sees every non-vegan as a disgusting murderer. She's just not the type of person to speak it out.
>>90627518most of all the sanitizing is a battle against windmills anyways, even with automated filters you can just tell someone to "canadian healthcare yourself", there is always a way.
>>90627727This is some kosher-level segregation devotion. Who were the founders of veganism?
>>90627629you already tried this, falseflag-chamaget new material
>>90627822>She's just not the type of person to speak it out.I mean, that's still pretty good.
>>90627827Yeah, it's funny hearing all the kids come up with their workarounds. "kermit sewer slide" cracks me up with its imagery. I'm sure someone has made an AI depiction out there.
>>90627859>falseflag-chamaYou mean it's not actually Sakana posting?
>>90627813Because we desperately wish to figure out why this is happening in an attempt to fill this hole but we're grasping at straws.
>>90627476Beats me But this is what these people are likeIt's whatever, company loyalty has been a thing since eons agoBut I think that if Cover isn't careful that trust is going to begin to decay faster than they think because this industry is built on more parasocial investment than other showbiz industries. People are gonna turn their backs and leave if they feel there's no meaning in their investment and that meaning slips away with every careless act & disagreement that triggers a graduation where the fans collectively agree that management could've prevented that/made the talent happier.
>>90627430I know this is a shitpost but I doubt the girl who randomly brought up trying to make herself a vegan Big Mac on stream because she really craved one would quit over this as much as this board loves to shit on her veganism
>>90626727Didn't Kiara say she's not going to let Mori be the last one in Myth?
>>90627751No, it was her being autistic cute as Faufau for the final time.Fauna has always enjoyed being weird and spooky. She started uploading exclusively horror themed ASMR and even as Fauna she enjoyed doing scary ASMR much more than doing the cutesy stuff.She was typecasted as le cute mommy but she'd much rather be seen as a closet yandere type.
>>90627630What kind of strawman argument is this? You can also get a salad, hash browns or fries, anman with red bean paste, drinks such as flavored onions milk, snacks such as nuts, ice bars and so on.You can also go to restaurants such as CocoIchi for a vegan Japanese curry.However, we were discussing traditional Japanese foods and I mentioned one of the most traditional Japanese foods. A lot of Wagashi are also vegan.
what did management do to make her leave if she loves everything else so much?
>>90627938>to fill this holeJust watch her personal account. She will continue to stream over there. Ditch the blue dorito.
>>90627822or she doesn't care that much and dropping veganism when your entire family is vegan is just too much troublewouldnt surprise me if she hams it up on stream too because le vegan nature girl
>>90627402I mean, we have also been having people claiming "a shift to idol stuff at the cost of streaming" is the reason when Aqua was the first one to push for a sololive, Chloe always being into idolshit, and Fauna explicitly saying that she enjoyed the singing and dancing part.But it is fascinating, don't get me wrong. Just not limited to that one aspect.
>>90628016>if she loves everything elseShe doesn't
>>90627323>>90625408for it to affect her as much as it did, it's clear she is insecure about her intelligence, which is unsurprising, considering she is the most pseudo-intellectual holo. backseating can literally just be ignored, especially on a prerecorded let's play. it's on her if she can't handle people lightheartedly pointing out her lack of perceptiveness.
>>90626985>Fauna is one of those vegans where she has to be absolutely certain that the person who made the food didn't even breathe in the same room that had animal product in it or else the whole dish is ruined.>because she thought that her rice paddle or something touched her food and was contaminated with some non-vegan thing.This is my only beef (heh) with vegatarians.I don't eat red meat these days because I wanted to eat healthier. But I don't care if someone flips my turkey burger with the beef patty spatula. I don't eat mayo, but I don't care if a plate of something has some macaroni salad on the side.It's not an allergy, you're not going to die if there's a piece of pork in your salad once in a while, stop bitching.At least we know vegan 'tisms aren't the reason she's quitting holo.
>>90626880If Holo EN falls or if Fillian becomes the new Number One. EN vtubing will shift heavily to the Twitch/indie side. Everyone new will try to emulate that style to be successful. JP won't invest in the west as much or at all with the conflicting principles and lack of controls through contracts. If the west isn't viable then Hololive will have to go back to China. Whatever Hololive does most corpos will follow.So yes it does affect you even if you sit on the JP side of things.
>>90628032>or she doesn't care that muchRead >>90626985
>>90627733>Give me proof!>Multiple talents saying management is bad>Multiple talents leaving because management is bad>NO NOT LIKE THAT, HOLOLIVE WOULD NEVERI wish you the best anon. The denial stage is always the hardest to overcome. I believe in you.
>>90628063>it's clear she is insecure about her intelligence,Everyone is, to a degree. But maybe it was more of a "I got out of my way to leave you a lovingly crafted Christmas present, and you shat on it."
>>90627920I follow a few history tubers, and the fact that they have to say shit like "Mustache man" or "Nono Germans" is fucking wild.The best thing though is since showing their flag is obviously not allowed due to the angry windmill, some has started to replace said windmill with Youtube's logo.
>>90628063most women (and many men) are like this, thinking academic success equals "intelligence", whatever that's even supposed to mean.picrel is the polar opposite, she's dumb of a brick most of the time but easily holds the record for most memorable and motivating quotes of wisdom in all of holo JP for some reason.
>>90628167anyone who organises mikkorone 24 completely loses that retard label
>>90628167Eh, I believe there are many "types" of intelligence.But blessed Miko, we're truly lucky to have her.
>>90628016>yeah were going to need you to start coming to Japan a few times a year to record more idol like activities>"no">are you sure? >"yes I'm sure">ok well take care in your future endeavorsFUCKING MANAGEMENT
>>90628223ame...
>>90627954i agreethey should do everything within reason to hold on to their talents
>>90627259Pretty sure Gura didn't want to be Number One either.
>>90628278who
>>90628101i heard bae ate an entire roast chicken in front of fauna, sucked the marrow from the big bones and picked her teeth with the small ones
>>90628062>She doesn't>source: It was revealed to me in a dream
>>90628320that's hot
>>90609600>>90609757>>90609924>Kiara is totally the leader of a mean clique you guys!>E-Erm, she's narcissistic enough to have a clique of just her!It's funny seeing you try and spin this into somehow being Kiara's fault kek, you bet on the wrong horse
>>90628215any time she does something amazing she follows up by something amazingly dumb like losing her passport in a casino in vegasit's a constant up and down(s) and keeps me on my feet all these 5 years I am following her now
Will anything nice ever happen again? I realy didn't need this right now.Think I gotta call it quits on holo. Something is seriously wrong and there's officially no hope of it getting better now.I'm so fucking sick of every company I have any scrap of respect for going public and flushing everything that matters down the toilet.
>>90628095>EN vtubing will shift heavily to the Twitch/indie sideIt has already done so. Hololive aside, almost the entirety of EN vtubing is just twitch whoring. Arguably some EN talents are closer (or would like to be closer) to twitch whore streams than to JP style streaming. See all the complaining about idol culture.
>>90628141That's funny.
It's okay you can unsticky now.
How long until they memoryhole the management complaints
I hope she starts an erotic asmr onlyfans or something.Her voice does wonders for my dick already. I can only imagine the power she'd have if she embraced the sexual side.
>>90628367never understood why tards hate kiara so much.is it because she is too direct?
>>90628251The Japanese know we can set up home 3D. I believe it but it's not worth losing a talent over.
I've acted irrationally and dropped Hololive when my oshi left, but I think I made the right call. Nostalgia's one hell of a drug and I didn't want to ruin the fun times I've had watching Hololive from Coco's ARK streams, EN debuts, etc. up until Sana's graduationAnd no, I don't even follow her roommate right now, I just stopped caring
>>90628536>Will anything nice ever happen again?Miko sololive was peak and this one's on the horizon for Febuary, what are you talking about
>>90628705Were her eyes always that far apart?
>>90628651just pray her numbers start to drop, it's the "break glass in case of emergency" for fading content creators right next to right wing grifter
>>90628122>I get to pick and choose who to believe!>can't provide proof that is equivalent to every other black corpo we've seenthat's a lot of words that aren't proof. this isn't 'me too', sister, so no I won't believe anyone without proofoh and by multiple talents, you mean 3, from like 90but you're right about one thing. one of us really is in denial, its just not who you think it is
>>90628167IQ reductionists are the worst example of this, which I must admit I somewhat fell prey to myself a little over a decade ago. It's as ridiculous as worshiping the wealthy, who are often dysfunctional sociopaths. Virtues and wisdom are much more important after a simple baseline, outside of hyper-specialized fields, from which policy decisions should never come.
>>90628705>dropping hololive over this grifterlol
>>90628801True, but in Fauna's case I think she was really meant for it with that voice.
>>90628536A lot of interests squared against good, and focused solely on greed
>>90628651That will never happen.
>>90627984Retard
>>90628651Not a chance.If she was after the coomer buxs she would have fully played into the mommy thing instead of disavowing it at every opportunity.
>>90628705I never had an oshi after Sana left and just kept watching without any attachment as well until Roara came along. She filled that hole in my heart since she debuted and now I know I got another couple years of Hololive left to watch until she graduates but by then I'll be in that age where I can leave it all behind
theres no way there's another one today right?
>>90627642>vegetarian burgerKey word - vegetarian. That means everything except meat.While vegan - not a single animal product. Like milk or eggs.
My 2 biggest barometers for the health of Holo En are gone. I'm 100% done with cover. Hate to break away from some of the remaining girls but I can't trust that cover wont put me through this kind of shit every month from here on out. Why the fuck don't they just let their streamers stream!? Does the en audience even care that much about idol stuff to the point where you would hinder the streamers to the point they quit? What the fuck Yagoo.
>>90628891>this grifterShe wasn't a grifter at all, you don't even know what that word means.
>>90627751do you REALLY think she made up her mind and announced it in less than 24 hours?
>>90627938Hey how nice that you found a way to blame anyone but the people responsible and in charge, management and CEO.
>>90629139These days Grifter="Someone I don't like"
>>90617520If you ever see the quiet/nice girl get mad, you know its fucking serious.
>>90629072I've heard from a bunch of ex-Sanallites who also started watching Raora and I think they're happy with herBut I think I'll just stick with my JP indie oshi
it all makes sense now. the pizza represents hololive and the cockroach is management.
>>90628865while you're right, I want to press that that's still not the full extent of the dilemma at hand.>worshiping the wealthy, who are often dysfunctional sociopaths.Phase 1: they're rich so they must be smartPhase 2: they're rich so they're most likely dysfunctional psychopathsPhase 3: what even IS the "proper" degree of a time window to aim for in the resilience of anything?Many often complain about the short-term orientation of the stuff the wealthy do. Well most of them are old as shit and egoistic. Or they can just jump ship. For them it's the logical thing to do, only poorfags like us care about shit like "the common good" and the only time that's ever relevant is when the poors finally snap and start hanging richfags.So we have poor people talking about civilizational advancements and rich people thinking about expanding their wealth and thereby influence - most just because they can, some have an agenda, all of them do it as hidden as they can. So the poors don't rise up.It's all human. Most poors would immediately flip if given the money. Wars could exist to foster sympathy in the masses to bring forth good men who want to do some statebuilding and inventions for a change.The more you think about this shit, the less you understand in the grand picture and realize how lost you are. Whenever I resign the question for the day I watch cute anime girls talking a nice melodic language about fuck all.
>>90619679My job was actively trying to find more stuff to do and we still have an hour of nothing going on.I don't think they understand that food needs time to cook.
>>90628672Kiara was controversial back when EN vtubing was pretty much just Myth, hence the orange board era. Nowdays, we have actual scandals to talk about so the only people who hate Kiara are people who still haven't moved past 2020-2021.
You evil parasites who abused my Fauna and the rest of the girls. We'll see each other soon. Maybe at the pink girl's concert. Ah ah ah.
>>90623748wow that's actually disgusting
>>90611289I can see marine, shion and mumei graduating at this pace
>>90628705Sana leaving made me realize how little I cared about hololivers. It really was just a handful and not worth corpo dicksucking over.Gow not following Sana that might be for the best. She was drooling over shadows cock for days lol.
>>90562666Remove the sticky already, its old news
I've regressed to only being able to communicate in ironic memes
>>90626498>>90626137>>90625894God I hate fucking Vegans.The world would be better without them.
>>90629072>but by then I'll be in that age where I can leave it all behindDon't forget you are here forever.
>>90628705Hell no, despite everything Hololive was on hell of a good time.
>>90629143You are bad at reading comprehension. Her mind was mad eup, she gave them a last chance to convince her otherwise.
>>90617664I can usually tell with these things, and let me just tell you, this is JP autism. It's not the work of the tribe.Now Vshojo however... You know Vshojo has done deals with CIA backed charities? Melody is also one of the tribe. They've had their noses in vtubing for years already, don't you worry, it's already subverted in the west.
>>90625408>>90618192I can't imagine that fans being upset with her gameplay would affect her decision to graduate in any way at all. That's reaching.
>>90611289At this point I think I just want them all to abandon ship. I have no hope left that holo is going to get back to its earlier soul, or improve in any new way I would like. It's actually fucking over. I held on by a thread with Ame going but I'm actually done with this now. I would be insane to let a publicly traded company have control over my heart like this now that so many red flags have been fired off.
>>90628865what's the difference? someone without sufficient intelligence wouldn't be able to tell wisdom from a predatory facadevirtue has always been advocated by unprincipled cannibals to control anyone less intelligent. we have ant genetics, we want to worship and be worshipped and virtue has proven to be the best vector for this at least 2000 years agotl;dr miko is vastly more intelligent than most of her audience
>>90613007You guys wanted a walled garden, now they're forcing everyone inside the walls of Japan
what if she comes back, think of sasaki saku. Don't forget sasaki saku, remember sasaki saku. There's still hope
>"Cover will never turn into Niji! Heckin Yagoo has got our backs!!!1!">Cover gets publicly traded>Turns into nijiyeah I'm fucking gloating
>>90629906reddit tier cope
>>90629931Define turning into Niji
>>90629906I hate the midwits who keep referencing Sasaki and Luna when it comes to Cover/Anycolor's hiring policies, as if things don't change over time
>>90629931Dumb corpo dicksucker.
>won last green women battle>lost this one>green woman will be down to 1 againWhat's this, a fucking "Highlander"?
I hope Kanata is next
>>90629726Nah man. With Raora debuting I'm guessing I have about 2 on the very, very low end and 5 at the high end but by then I'll be 30. I'm not gonna be watching Hololive when I'm 30 unless she's still there but when she's gone so am I
>>90629431Social darwinism is just lazy excuses for misdoings. Yes, of course the exceedingly self-interested exist everywhere, but if encouraged it only worsens. Virtues are ancient for a reason, and often the only argument against them is "well sometimes the purveyors of those are self-interested too, so uninhibited hedonism is good actually." Nothing is perfect, we all stumble, and worshiping Mammon collectively is no answer at all.
>>90620283>now that that bitch is gone, you can watch our stream insteadRuthless, but smart.
>>90562666Genuinely, what can we do about this? Now I know how Nijifags feel after that Selen shitshow. Not doing anything and just..?
lmao at the newfags thinking that Cover being shit is a new thing
>>90629326what do the red and green peppers represent then, symbolism anon?
>>90630262>>zero attempt at integrating Holostars with HololiveThought you could sneak that one in there, huh?
>>90630435Newfag
>>90630455Sister
>>90629797Even if I were to accept your "good leaders have never existed " dogma, it is a much preferred outcome to the war of all against all, which will soon unfold in the west.
>>90630243At this point I'm just waiting to see if cover will learn anything from this or if we will be having this same song and dance again with the next graduation
>>90630455Shouldn't you be on bluesky?
>>90630435Check the year that post what made then check when HomoEN debutted.
>>90630489You will never have a sibling, newfag.
>>90630562It wasn't a sin back then and it isn't a sin now
>>90629688
Is nobody talking about Matsuri's tweet. She's the only one who went straight to defending Cover.
>>90630158Fucking zoomers
Will holo troons still claim its not a black company?Literally not a week without drama.
>>90630902Who the fuck cares aboit JP whores
>>90630902well, matsuri is a paragon of mental stability, so I definitely trust her.
>>90630919I think the problem is the opposite, they're too "White corpo", to careful to the point it's restricting.
>>90562666It's unironically over.
>>90630902>The only oneWatch streams, at least 10 did so far.
>>90630902what the fuck are you talking about. is it on her sub account or something? i don't see anything weird
>>90631008bro its not just restriction, you have multiple biggest talents bitch on and off stream about everything from management to legal and their music productioneverything seems to be a problem there, at every single stage and people only stay due to exposure and size a 100 milion $ marketing budget gives
>>90562666I no longer have any reason to watch holo, unironically.
>>90630523You would think they would have gotten their shit together after Aqua. That was a fucking major loss legitimately.You would think they would have gotten their shit together after Ame. That was a huge symbolic loss for EN, like if JP lost one of its beloved gen0s. You would think they would have gotten their shit together after Chloe.You would think they would have gotten their shit together after Fauna. They probably won't learn if Anycolor's fucking retarded strategy of "just keep pretending nothing's wrong and get butthurt and defensive about criticism. surely that will work" because Japanese companies tend to refuse to conform to changing trends. They must have had a lot of meetings and drunk a lot of coffee planning out the "direction changes" that many Holos hate so much they'd rather stop working there for. But they spent time and effort on those changes, they're proud of that effort and don't wanna walk it back because that's like making the manager ojisans all lose face and they can't do that, the horror. Well someone has to tell Cover that those ojisans are just plain wrong. I dunno if anyone actually-working within Cover can do it not face punishment for it but someone somehow has to get the message across.
>>90630902matsuri also said she likes fat dudesshes very shrewd
>>90631082She just said to stop saying bad things about the company that she loves and it's her maun account.
>>90631198Yeah, me
I love you so much it hurts
>>90631177you can't expect anything to happen on scales shorter than yearly investor meetings nowthese graduations are so recent they have yet to register in any way that matters, wait a few months into next year
>>90631324>we can't actually be a smart, competent, dynamic organization>we have to be a slow, stupid, dull-eyed organization just like our ancestors decreedI think Hololive is a microcosm for why japan is failing at large
>>90627841Stop noticing
is Hololive (atleast the EU side) finally dying? the gravy train is no longer as strong as it was a few years ago and yago has been pushing his idols to be more like, well, idols.
>>90631468Every publicly traded corporation suffers from this. CEOs and the board are disloyal to the company and don't care about the product, so they'll prioritize short-term growth and profit over quality and long-term wellbeing. Investors only want maximum short-term growth and profit for themselves. They don't care about the company either. Even if the CEO cares about the company, they'll just vote him out.This combination leads to enshittification, where inevitably, by design, the product of the company gets invariably worse. IPO is the death knell of any genuinely great company.
As someone that has worked in both a Korean and Japanese company (kill me, never again) this is 100% within their corporate culture. You can have a genuinely fantastic company with fantastic people, but then one shitty manager. And your first reaction might be >"Well then why not just get rid of that bad manager?"And congratulations, you're a westerner using western logic. But that's not Jap culture. It's not socially acceptable to do reasonable shit like just sit that manager down and have a conversation about expectations and their actions going forward.Instead everyone just kind of pretends nothings is wrong because its not socially acceptable to address "the problem" whatever it is. And everyone, even close friends, has this desire for the people suffering or being overworked to just do their best and deal with it, and pretend everything is fine.It is genuinely image over everything. It's also why a lot of the JP girls have made comments being confused and not understanding. To them saying "disagreements with management" isn't just addressing that one situation, it's attacking the company as a whole. And there is also a language barrier between them. So they genuinely might not fully know whats going on, and they can't rectify the disconnect between >"I love this company and I have good experiences">"I don't like bad thing being said about what I like"There is no way to resolve this, it's a genuine cultural clash issue that persists even outside Japan whenever asian companies interact with westerners.
>>90631687Idols r gay. I came here to support streamers I like who did some idol activity, not idols that do some streamer activity.
>>90631748so why did yagoo make hololive go public?
>>90625467>Big 3 is now Mori, Biboo, FWMCbased
>>90631748cover isn't even fully public, they only sold a minor stake
>>90631795https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeXatquVqAc
>>90631468>I think Hololive is a microcosm for why japan is failing at largeIf they continue down this path then absolutely. It's a bunch of out of touch old farts making short sided decisions because they don't realize the world has changed.
>>90631828Not that minor. Yagoo has 39% of the stake. Cover's CTO has another 4%. The rest is out of their hands.
>>90631838yagoo doesn't strike me as someone who desires money. He's being manipulated by someone, someone evil
>>90625467Raora is a sweety too. I hope she continues to do well.
>>90631795For some reason he was forced to do that or sell it. And he wanted to retain some form of control
>>90631795Bad loan contracts demanding it? Yagoo just wanting to cash out? Who knows. People like this aren't trustworthy.
>>90630902Matsuri says a lot of things.
>Another spoiled american princess couldn't hack it with Japanese work culture>Was finally given the firm talk indicating that supacha money alone wouldn't be acceptable; she would need to put her heart and soul into the company>Decides to walk awayI thought it'd stop being funny, but nah it keeps being hilarious watching it happen in real time
>>90631905>someone evilShe's been pulling the strings from the shadows ever since she got in. Look at the chaos she caused in HoloGTA.
>>90631748The board is literally just Yagoo and the people who were already involved with Cover since the start. There wasn't a hostile takeover, they can still do whatever they believe is best for the company.>>90631795They had to pay out private equity, it was either raise money by going public or sell the company in its entirety.
>>90631768>There is no way to resolve this, it's a genuine cultural clash issue that persists even outside Japan whenever asian companies interact with westerners.I've heard this a lot. Boss man gathers everyone up for the post work dinner drinking party and the western dude goes "Oh thanks but I'm good. See you all tomorrow!" and the rest just stand there stunned that he broke the retarded social code
>>90631905>"Le business... Wants to make... MORE money... To be successful?!?!"Are you all fucking in highschool or something? That's every business in all of fucking history or else it won't be a business anymore
>>90631905>i-it's not the FUCKING CEOs fault>he is just a smol human bean :(RETARDRETARD RETARD RETARDR E T A R D
>>90632088maybe for americans? most of businesses care about their workers and their externalities on their societies. Money is just a plus but not the end
>>90632059I can get blowing up Korone and Mios wedding with C4 but fucking with Banchos car was going to far and truly evil
Hololive is a tech company and they moving into developing AI vtubers. They are slowly removing the humans. Humans are liabilities. AI are less hassle. Affiliates are the girls who agreed to let their models be skinwalked by AI programs. Graduates are the ones who said no to that.
>>90632036that's why western nations are growing and east asian nations are literally going extinct
>>90632172You're thinking of NGOs.
>>90632059You can never leave the circus
>>90631768I read a while back when reading about why power harassment aka powahara is a thing in Japan, is because at some places one doesn't usually just get fired from a job like usual, not if it's some white collar work. you have to like be caught outright committing crimes like embezzling or something to be summarily dismissed. their preference is to just quarantine someone with shittier roles and duties eventually devolving into menial joke work until they quit on their own. getting rid of the problematic upper manager or producer or whatever might be a lot more complicated a task than meets the eye. but I mean, they did somehow shed themselves of Omega, it is possible. the realistic solution might be a horizontal transfer within the company taking whoever is leading the charge of the "new direction" and have them do some other job in the company instead. preferably cleaning the toilets or something but I mean it'd be safe to just move him to some accounting section so he's not doing anything that results in meddling with established talents and pissing them off.
>>90632172Retard if a Business is not making money it will fail. That's all buisnesses around the world. Whether they care about employees or not doesn't matter.A business can not give a single ouch of a shit about their employees but if they still make enough money to not go under then they're good.A business can be the best business in the entire planet for their employees and if they make enough money to survive that's also good.If you couldn't tell, both scenarios rely on the business making money to not go bankrupt and have to fire (mass graduate) everyone.
Investor chads, what we thinking.. shorting cover now?
>>90632216The Asian ones who adopted the American system, and all Western nations are not far behind them.
>>90632036They are demanding the talents move to japan to become full-time shills for various products and churn out idol shows. Streaming is about to become passe. Therefore the people interested in streaming are leaving
>>90632088Short term gains are in fact bad for long-term business success. It's that kind of financialization of businesses that leads to a drop in their profitability. It's why private companies like Valve and SpaceX manage to be absolutely dominant in their niches. They're actually focusing on the product, not on shareholder profits.
>>90631687Not yet, it's slowing down but it's still up in the air on what could happen next
>>90632070>they can still do whatever they believe is best for the company.Not if they are responsible private equity firms to implement changes. Yagoo already said he had to either go public or sell it, implying it was forced by their method of financing.
>>90632036this would somewhat look like it makes sense except ayame and shion exist too. clearly the nippon spirit folded 10,000x makes those girls stream and work real real hard, they totally don't fuck off for two months at a time and come back and cry on stream for pity and then fuck off again on loop. nosiree.
>>90632142No he is right. I dont believe Yagoo is the one pulling the strings one this one. It's Kaneko. He came in and made cover go public. He addresses a lot of the shareholders. He is most likely the one that came up with affiliate. Yagoo did not answer the questions on graduations. Kaneko did
>>90632036Fauna was way more consistent than a bunch of other holos.Mumei Gura Ayame Hachama etc etc.
I dont think people understand how bad japanese companies are. Most jap CEOs and business owners are nepo babies who never studied seriously and don't know shit about the world
>>90632517Yagoo was never your friend. Just because the soulless husk learned to imitate a smile while holding your oshis overpriced chinkshit merch doesn't mean he is not a greedy CEO like every other CEO.
>>90632517>Kaneko Lemon woman strikes again, destroying another corpo from the inside..
>>90631795Somebody has to pay for HoloEarth
>>90632216Americans, Canadians, and Western Europeans just can't be fucked to believe in anything, and they want to simply coast on easy careers and geographic privilege.Hololive offers these people a lifeline and a chance at making almost infinite levels of money.>"Hey, so we have this state-of-the-art studio space located in one of the most desirable cities on the planet... do you mind flying over (at our expense) a couple times a month so we can help you grow as a digital superstar?"It's so telling who recognizes their unbelievable fortune compared to those who balk at the slightest, perceived inconvenience of... having to travel for work.I have zero sympathy for the fodder that gets weeded out from Hololive.
>>90632595>Yagoo was never your friend.fuck you, have some respect, hes the greatest man of the generation
>>90620283Now THIS is corporate vtubing!
>>90632399>Given the chance to move to a city that rivals London or Paris in terms of international prestige>Decides to stay in their bumbfuck nowhere towns nobody has ever heard ofNo grindset. They were never going to make it. They got lucky once, but life demands you commit to something sooner or later.
>not forced to stream>not forced to do concerts>THE MANAGEMENT IS HORRIBLE BECAUSE... IT JUST IS OKAY???until i get some actual evidence of this mythical "new management" that's so horrible, I'm going to assume these cunts just want the indie money without looking like selfish grifters.
>>90632681haven't multiple talents said they had to pay for the flights themselves?
>>90620283>we'll be here for youAre they for fucking real? Shameless behavior.
>>90632681wanting infinite money is completely retarded, once you have a house and a few million in the bank its time to live your short life
Actually fucking shattered. Fauna...
>>90632681>anon wants a bunch of soulless corporate careerists as his entertainers
>>90632734Mococo, you know your sister gave you a little too much this time, she's being too generous and assumes that you can handle money when obviously you're not ready yet. Here, give half your cut to me, I'll keep safe watch over it.
>>90632585That's the same everywhere.
>>90631774Most idol music is trash too. I just want to go back to when Hololive still had sovl. It never was about them performing a flawless choreography that was pre-recorded.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDSIUPkuM7U
>>90632897maybe if you're latinx. Whites have an inherent faustian spirit that drives them to always want more
>>90632681>trying to order around a multimillionaire livestreamer with a massive following>trying to impose inconvenience on themguess what they will say to you
So basically Hololive wants more complex concert events rather than letting vtubers create content on their own/stream stuff at their pace? Way to fuck over the thing that built their character brands in the first place
>>90632909>It's bad to want a professional to take their profession seriously
You gays better be ready for the utlimate UUUUUUUUUU
>>90633105 >>90599770
>>90609084Not surprising. Shondo is pretty chill and not in to drama.
>>90632216>Western nations are growingMeanwhile Western nations can't even figure out how to bail their friend Ukraine out without creating a /pol/ mess
95% of management problems worldwide are caused by HR roasties
Assuming EN getting shit tech support, or maybe shit support in general, is still a thing. While A-chan seemed like a huge part of JP's soul, to some extent Ame was some sort of glue for the first 2 gens.
>>90632595>Yagoo was never your friend.I never said he was. Yagoo is just not pulling the strings right now and i think that he, like the fans, is also sad over the departures while the goons in suits dobt care
>>90633416LOL!
>>90613663>>90613664>apple sells new iphone for 6morbillion% profit>sells certain iphone accesssories for only 1morbillion% profit >they should stop selling the accessories and just sell the phones to maximize roiI don't think so
>>90632887>Host one single zatsu stream>Collect enough supacha money for the flight within 20 minutesEven if they did pay for their own flights (they don't) it's not like the ask is that big considering their revenue stream and audience size.
>>90612971Basic mistake in investment and finances. DONT INVEST IN SMTH YOU DONT KNOW HOW IT WORKS. It tend to ruin profit in short and long term. Ppl call me retarded for the rrat about aqua graduating bcuz shareholder (blackrock) and now look this. Those mongrels has to be expelled
>>90631768Interesting, thanks for the post
>>90633442No way Yagoo wasn't behind, or at least agreed with most decisions, anon. It's just that some members enjoy and benefit from those decisions and some don't. There is no need to defend him.Everyone has been shitting on Cover, but fuck me if you guys didn't enjoy Breaking Dimension, HoloFes, Mori getting first EN VTuber solo live ever in the US, IRyS's 3D lives or similar stuffs
>>90633434I never will understand why some people just paint Ame as some magical behind the scenes woman because she helped with a few projects lol
>>90608993>is the bridge burnt?Doubtful. Shondo is pretty magnanimous.
>>90633049wanting more means independence and personal, meaningful pursuits, not corporate slavery and ladder climbing.
el fauno
>Fauna after Hololive goes public>"You can't do this to me....DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED?!!?!">"OUT AM I??!!?"
>>90633513(Institutional) Investors don't have to keep the money inside a company forever, they just need line go up and use insider knowledge to pump and dump on retail retards and exit the position.Warren Buffet have been literally dumping Apple stocks while Apple is currently at peak valuation. Moving money around is the basis of this shitCover's decision to gut streaming activities and focusing on shilling brand deal and another friend with u plushies will take 2-3 years before the fans abandon them and by that time all the shareholder already sold their position.
>>90633756I did not care for a single one of these. Idolshit is garbage. I just want to watch videogames.
I hate nip graduation autism, why do girls have to do live streams just to announce such a painful thing?
I've reached the anger stage of dealing with loss.What the FUCK could be so fucked with management all of a sudden to make fauna jump up and graduate out of fucking nowhere when she was sorecently talking about looking forward to ENReco2 and other big EN collabs? If it was Gura I could understand as it's been known for some time how much management fucks her over and how she goes MIA for so long, but Fauna? There was fucking nothing. What fucking happened in the last 3 months?
>>90633796Ame was likely counting on being a big part of a future America-based Hololive studio, but then the company went public and slashed all risky projects like that, leaving her dead in the water. This is not the same Hololive anymore, it's the new New Bioware version.
>>90634048Not a phase got full colored
>>90634048At least you finally got out of the denial phase. Some people on this thread are still knee deep in denial
>>90633756I CARE ABOUT STREAMS AND THE TUBERS I LIKE BEING HAPPY AND MAKING STREAMSTHERE IS NO FUCKING REASON COVER CAN'T DO BOTH OF THESE THINGSFUCK THEM
Everyone's gonna start pretending nothing is going wrong behind the scenes until the next one leaves, aren't they
>JWU>shits happenedAnd I am posting happily in this pinned thread.Post your reaction right now. This is mine.
>>90634048Ohhh little Sapling is angry! How scary~What you are going to do? Rub your little nub in anger? Ahaha
Down with Cover
>>90634048>Fauna quits at her own accord without telling her fans what is actually happening and what she planned to do with her life, not to mention why she is quiting>Saplings :"COVER IS A BLACK COMPANY"Oh boy there are more mentally ill fanbases that are gonna be holo antis now.
>>90633756I'll be honest mate, I really don't care about any of these things. I cared much more about HoloGTA than all these concerts. I came here for the video games. The 3D lives were a bonus.
>>90632585Cute ginger pettanko
>>90634227>THERE IS NO FUCKING REASON COVER CAN'T DO BOTH OF THESE THINGSBut they can, or more like, many girls can. No idea why that was an issue for Fauna but several EN girls who are fine with and spent a lot of time on "idolshit" streamed more often, and / or more hours than Fauna this year.
>>90625408Were the negative responses mostly just typical grey names or were there some actual members (although 'gift' members are little better then grays) also shitting on her in chat?
>>90634257>>>/trash/
>>90634639>Fauna this year.Cover went Public last year. Coincidence?
>>90634238nah, i think fauna's leaving will be the last straw for many.
>>90634600>>Fauna quits at her own accord without telling her fans ... why she is quitingwatch streams. it's literally a 5 minute fucking announcement. she's quitting because of disagreements with management. her own words, dumb fuck
>>90634048it really is pretty fucking incredible. also remember just a few days ago, people wouldn't have thought chloe was in any particular graduation risk either if you'd asked. if anything, considering how much SC income she makes, people would have thought only koyori would be the safer bet than chloe for long-run staying power - so for her to voluntarily take such an easy cushy gig and throw it away is pretty fucking stunning. I'm thinking that the "company direction" reason that both her and aqua cited as basically just polite Japanese talk for "management" but they didn't want to point fingers and leave no ambiguities, that's generally not done in Japan to try to help people save face. nope the company is just mysteriously changed somehow, the whole thing? unlikely.
>>90634700bold of you to think the tiktok zoomers that are going to be hololive's main audience going forward have an attention span that long
>>90634700Yeah but I can fall over and break my leg because I was trying to ice skate up hill and call it a disagreement with the ground.Doesn't mean much.
>>90634600Most publicly traded corps should be treated like black companies. Shareholders are faceless scumbags who don't give a shit about anyone or anything except profit.
>>90634681Are you inviting?
>>90634746>such an easy cushy gig and throw it away is pretty fucking stunning.When will you people learn that "entertainers" aren't doing their jobs purely out of financial interest? Hololive girls make more than enough money to dip out if the corporation tries to stifle their self-expression. They're not living in poverty.
>>90632059They got what they fucking deserve.
>>90634694Gura is that, but yes, this is fucking crazy. Cover really have no idea what they're doing letting her go. Giving her a sweetheart deal for the good of the branch is just obvious. What the hell is going on over there.
>>90634930>Hololive girls make more than enough money to dip outmillennial women lifestyle creep constantly
>>90562666another vtuber impregnatedwho's next?
>>90635012How about company greed creep
>>90634817It's the fault of the directors for the most part, going along with that. Corporate law in most commonwealth countries allows directors like CEOs, under the business judgement rule, to drive the corporation into whatever direction they think is best for it. Even if it cuts into shareholder profits or lowers stock price. As long as the directors are doing it "for the company," it doesn't matter.>Given that the directors cannot ensure corporate success, the business judgment rule specifies that the court will not review the business decisions of directors who performed their duties (1) in good faith; (2) with the care that an ordinarily prudent person in a like position would exercise under similar circumstances; and (3) in a manner the directors reasonably believe to be in the best interests of the corporation.
Gura will become an affiliate in 2025 and FWMC will take her place as the active faces of the company. They're bootlicking numberfag idols, exactly what modern Cover wants from the talent going forward.
why is this thread is still pinned?
Is the tree going to be okay???
>>90632325>Can more or less be shitty employee in japan and just be given easy busywork and left alone instead of firedAgree with you point but ngl i'd be happy to be in this kind of position.
>>90630142worth
>>90635248fauna's final act will be to burn that fucker down
>>90634700>she's quitting because of disagreements with managementThat can be anything. Maybe>something that Suisei can do but Fauna can'tSuisei can play Suika game but Fauna apparently can't, that is also a theory.>learn to dance moreThat could be it too as fucking Ina improved while she is still at the same place she was during the first holofes she joined.It can be anything. If I want to be uncharitable, I could also say>I want to do some streams that would be against hololive interest but management won't me, I will lose a lot of money from NDA if I said this out loudCome one man. If nothing is clear it means she is hiding something behind the sapling and it is not pretty.
>>90635233great idea, I can't wait for the catalog to be filled with 20 different threads all about fauna and the downfall of holoen
>>90634048They throw new program. Suck Shareholder and nor Fauna, neither Chloe wanted to suck old dude dicks so they left.
>>90635289>Agree with you point but ngl i'd be happy to be in this kind of position.Do you gain a personal sense of meaning and worth from something else than wagecuckery?
>>90634257as a matter of fact, that is what i'm intending to do
>we're not friendsWhat was going through her mind to even think about saying that out loud?
did yagoo make a poor investment decision (holoEarth) and opening up for outside investment funds was his only way out or smth?..
>>90635388the truth
>>90635248>>90635304Unironically I hope she's able to get a copy of the server somehow before she leaves so Lemonleaf can burn it down. She doesn't strike me as that vindictive though.
>>90635127>commonwealth countries>Japan
>>90619804sex
>>90635356Having a super easy job where nobody cares about what i do sounds pretty sweet. Gives me less stress and more time to do whatever I want outside of work.
>>90634963Gura has been MIA for so long at this point most people. even chumbuds, are already mentally prepared for it. Similar to Ame where the reaction will mostly be "yeah I guess we saw it coming, fair enough"Fauna is almost entirely out of nowhere and its a huge kick in the teeth.
>>90635221True. It's sad because I really did like what they were putting out at the start, but then they flipped the numberfagging switch and killed all the content I was looking forward to. Now they put it out in tiny bursts and say "I hope this is enough for now, please support us!".
>>90635388I really don't understand what made insane people consider this a yab. Are people really so parasocial that they think they have some special connection to a popular streamer?
Good on you Fauna for having dignity and not being okay with getting on your knees and sucking old jap dick.
>>90635434Anon was talking about "most publicly traded corporations", not ones specifically in Japan.But, the business judgement rule has been enforced in Japan:https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2257827and is currently taken as legal fact:https://practiceguides.chambers.com/practice-guides/corporate-governance-2024/japanSo I'll assume what I posted applies there as well.
>>90635573That BP2 stream was the beginning of the end.
will lemon start tweeting about >naturebro again or will the gaslighting remain? was it the company who suggested she shouldn't or did she just get less retarded over the years?
>>90635573They're first 100 days were great. I really believed the Friday the 13th stream was an indicator that we'd be getting some Nene-tier creativity from them but that all dried up by the end of 2023.
>>90635601>parasocial buzzwordNo sane person would ever even mention something so obvious to begin with. There's literally 0 upside to saying something like this.
>>90635601I don't know if you realized, but vtuber fans aren't exactly the cream of the crop. Tell parasocial fans that they are delusional and the vtubing enterprise withers on the vine.
>>90635388This guy is right >>90635407The mask fell off at that moment, it was put on, with great difficulty, after that. Maybe she found Jesus this December and decided to stop stealing saplings' money once and for all.>>90635601You can stop coping if there were some nijiyab dropped by dramatuber that time it would fucking burn off the earth.
>>90635631Fauna was already the en holo I had the most respect for. She has a track record of not wanting to take advantage of her fans, and more spine than most holos for sticking to her principles.Unfortunately this leads me to conclude cover is no longer trustworthy and so I'll have to exit with Fauna. I managed to cope with Ame going, thinking yeah maybe she just feels she needs to go the Ame way, maybe cover isn't the problem. Retroactively I can't even think that any more.
>>90635601nta but the definition of "friend" is extremely fucking vague, vague enough that fubuki stating it was meme in of itself. so compared to her it's like, ok no wife that's fair.. but not even friend, no friend? that just sounded icy cold. saplings weren't expecting her to go DM them all individually and talk about the weather or something, it's just a phrase.
>>90635767>parasocial is a buzzwordthe craziest cope I've seen in this thread>0 upside to saying thisshe wasn't saying this unprompted, it was a supa asking her about it. Obviously she could choose to just ignore it, but I think she was principled for answering it.
>>90635601It really wasn't a yab, the retards here were taking it the wrong way on purpose to create some drama. Her point was that ultimately she's just an entertainer and everyone should have their own real friends that they can talk to and hang out with.
>>90635397other way around. he took outside funds specifically for the purpose of funding a bad investment.
>>90635221worst timeline
>>90635538>Fauna is almost entirely out of nowherenah, anons here started suspecting it as soon as the rm activity started. in fact it is weird that gura still hasn't graduated after all the subtle hints and tweets she's been making for over a year, but in her case i guess cover just really REALLY makes everything the can to not make their money pronting machine go.
>>90635601I find it hard to believe Fauna would be making unrealistic demands. She clearly doesn't wan't to be leaving based on that announcement.Fauna is smart, conscientious and realistic, which logically makes me assume Cover is not worth trusting anymore if this is the fucking outcome.
>>90635601the entire structure of vtubing as we know it is parasocial. you can't go "ha I'm not one of you parasocial fucks!!! (goes and watches a vtuber" and think you're hot shit or better than fucking anyone else. that's objectively not what is happening. the only thing that wasn't was kizuna ai's premade clips, but that's literally not what we think of as a vtuber, that was like a web series using mocap and she later herself changed to be like a conventional livestreaming vtuber.
>>90633796She's not that, but it's also an open secret that EN support has been crap, with many other ENs outright stating something along the lines of a lot of the EN branch being built by her. The girls don't go saying something that specific to everyone who graduates. It's tall praise that shouldn't be handwaved just because she didn't do literally everything.
>>90635923>nta but the definition of "friend" is extremely fucking vaguefauna has 932 000 subscribers. She has 932 000 fans, not 932 000 friends. You have mental problems.
>>90635715Lemonleaf was always very open about having a boyfriend. She had an FAQ where she outright said that she had one.
>>90635767The problem is that there are plenty of genuinely insane individuals, who need to be told that for them not to go too far. Everyone else is collateral damage.It wasn't the most sensible decision by Fauna, but it clearly comes from a place of genuine concern, and the fact that people would twist that into some kind of "yab," seems to mostly be a sign of malice on the part of those individuals.
>>90636087>the entire structure of vtubing as we know it is parasocial. speak for yourself. I put Fauna on as radio background noise, just as I would Jerma or NL. That doesn't mean I consider myself to be Fauna's friend, I'm just a fan that enjoys her work.
>>90636100you're so eager to take the moral high road and pretend you're some with-it guy here. you fucking aren't. you're arguing over the phrasing of a subscriber and want to pretend that one is mentally unable to process symbolic terminology or else it's "mentally ill." that is fucking childish man.
>>90636062>nah, anons here started suspecting it as soon as the rm activity startedher RM WAS out of nowhere. shrimp miku only happened 13 days ago.
>>90636062They'll probably only let Gura go if they can squeeze an affiliate deal out of her on the way out
So if the move to Japan is real, what is the point of Cover hiring and expanding Overseas branches? Even for the girls that buy in and do move over, they would still need to stream either in the morning or lunchtime to match up with their existing fanbase's primetime. Is bringing the talent to the home island really the way forward for Hololive to go global?
>>90636115given how many superchats there are of "my mom died of super aidscancer, you are the only thing holding me together, your streams literally saved my life". She is right to slowly step away from this insane aspect of idol culture. She is not your friend, she's not here to protect your smile.
>>90621318Tf does that have to do with grooming?
>>90636257that's like saying a car is a nice statue and you like sitting by it in the driveway and thus cars are not for driving. the entire aim of not just vtubers but holos in particular is explicitly designed to cultivate a relation between the fanbase as a whole and a talent. the entire structure revolves around talking to all the fans all the time and sharing stories with them and reacting to stories the fans share in response. it's dialogue. it's not talking to everyone at once but the idea is fundamentally parasocial.
>>90636281Starving the competition.
>>90636281Cover overspent in a huge mocap studio that is empty 95% of the time.
>>90636281it's hard to find english speaking talents in Japan, not exactly a multicultural society.K-Pop labels hold auditions in the west coast of Canada and the US for the same reason. Australia is a big target too since there's a lot of 1st gen asian immigrants there.
more like vjewba trying to squeeze out profits for investors amirite
>>90615058She's vegan no?She probably looks like shit
>Haven't been on /vt/ yet so aren't aware of the news yet.>Hit back on my YT page and then flick up so it refreshes.>See thumbnail of Fauna being said by Pekora (who looks sad despite never interacting with her in her life due to language barrier) and the title of said clip being 'Pekora react to the recent Hololive Graduations' by Pekora clips.>Originally think she (Pekora) meant Chloe and the only reason why she mentioned Fauna is in case she DOES graduate.>Decide to check out /vt/.>Fauna really did graduate.Saplings (and Ayame if we go off to those clips where Ayame listens to Fauna to help her sleep) must be gutted by the news.
>>90636268>>90636423these posts make me feel better about myself
>>90635601I know people shouldn't actually "have a connection" but if you think women can stream and be cute to a lonely male audience without a connection being formed you are actually fucking stupid.She makes jokes, people laugh.She struggles with X thing, people sympathize.It's not something you can really avoid happening, a lot of people aren't going to go too far with it but the entire concept of vtubing and women streaming barely clothed for money and views depends on this male weakness. Without it fauna would literally not have had a career at hololive or indie at all.
>>90636281Its probably not the being forced to move to Japan that's real but more that coming down the line there's going to be more travelling back and forth involved then before. Fauna is the absolute worst when it comes to that
>>90631768Just curious to pick your brain but given what you said here>Instead everyone just kind of pretends nothings is wrong because its not socially acceptable to address "the problem" whatever it is. And everyone, even close friends, has this desire for the people suffering or being overworked to just do their best and deal with it, and pretend everything is fine.How revolutionary and head-turning was it for a JP like Mel to go on extended hiatus and lawyer up against Cover over her abusive manager back in 2020? Seems like something like that would turn her into a bit of a pariah amongst others or more likely management in the company.
>>90629431Hi chatgpt
>>90635601you never watched Fauna, post membership, nijisis
>>90636275The affiliate system was likely created with her in mind specifically. After Aqua left the shareholders started shitting bricks at the prospect of not being able to use Gura for marketing and sponsorships. Eventually FWMC will take over her spot though.
>>90636519ok mr "I'm too cool for vtubers and I'm not like YOU fucks, but I totally watch them too but I'M NOT LIKE YOOOU"yes you are. you don't even fucking mentally compute it, you don't rationally comprehend it but you are. get off the high horse.
>no more barefeet modelsit's over...
>>90636257You're not wrong, but here's the thing. I'm willing to bet that you never sent a supa, never bought her merch and you're not even a memeber. By all mean, prove me wrongWithout these parasocial fans vtubers or streamers in general would starve, so I appreciate them
>>90636512I was. Calmed down, though. I will enjoy her last days and think about it after.Maybe I will graduate from watching VTuber, or perhaps I shall look for another HoloEN to support
>>90629490>controversialThey just didn't like how she played gangbeasts. That's not controversial.
>>90636698why are you sitting and crying behind your computer screen and trying to crab bucket me? I casually watch funny vtuber clips and read /vt/ for the lolcows. You think Fauna is your friend. We are not the same.
Predictions on the next PR statement?
>>90562666Good, bitch didn't contribute anything
>>90636843nta but the definition of "parasocial" is in fact extremely fucking broad and it entirely overlaps and encompasses the entire approach and definition of vtubing. streamers in general do this, as long as they maintain dialogue with their chat. that IS parasocial. you don't have to be in love with them, you just have to like their company. a non-parasocial streamer would have chat / supas turned off entirely and basically just talk out loud into the void. which, speedrunners etc sometimes are in fact like that sometimes. but vtubers? nah, I've never seen a vtuber literally never talk to their viewers. show me one (1) (uno).
>>90636927I kneel touristGOD
>>90636983Addressing the worries
>Hags work hard and struggle to make their fans happy>Zoomettes laze off but they don't care to tow management's line as long as they get paid>millenial whores are dropping like fliesL M A O
>>90636983The best option si to do nothing for the time being.
>>90636927Based. That's the only thing vtubers are good for nowadays
>>90636927>read /vt/ for the lolcowst. seething femanon
Why are you all so sad about this? Can't you just move on to another girl? You have dozens if not hundreds to choose from and they're all just fap material to you anyway. Stop sulking and just find another lookalike to wank it to.
Any company that goes public slowly dies, because the shareholder becomes king and all their wishes become reality. I would think it's obvious Gura wants to leave but they are throwing money at her currently to stop it.
>>90637197>implying there are grills on 4chanLOLE
>>90612098Where did they even come from in the first place?
>>90636983Have the Bau Bau's do a black box stream overlapping her next stream, to let everyone know she was hard to work with.
>>90637224retard
>>90625179>cucklings also watch video game cucky Keep saying it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c80-CEMyXuY
>>90636983Stay silent and let the fans tell everyone to shut the fuck up and that nothing is wrong until the next graduation happens
>>90637241Affiliate system gives her a way out with both parties still collecting merch and sponsorship bux. Gura won't survive 2025, guaranteed.
>>90637123Reminder that the 4th trumpet catalyst is a millennial.
>>90637304How? Just find another pretend girlfriend to fap to. Not like any of you watched for her personality or interests. You just care about the porn.
i cried when ame graduated because EN has been part of my life since before day 1. I watched Fauna a lot more than Ame, but I just feel numb and jaded about her graduation. I don't even care anymore. It was all just a big lie. More are going to go next month. I can't cry over it every month.
>>90637051>a non-parasocial streamer would have chat / supas turned off entirely and basically just talk out loud into the voidThe term parasocial was originally coined by psychologists in the 50s to describe the kinds of not-really-social relationships people form with TV and radio presenters. But you are right, parasocial is an extremely broad term and it's basically impossible to exist without forming some. In fact, it might be even more difficult than not forming social relationships since those hermits who fled the world tend to have a very parasocial relationship with God.
>>90635538You're right, Fauna is crazy, which makes me think Cover is really, truly, incompetent.
>>90637241>Gura wants to leaveI swear, I fucking swear I want to strangle all you oblivious fucks that still keep saying Gura wants to leave. If she wanted to she would have done it a long, long, fucking time ago. She's gonna ride the gravy train, do the absolute bare minimum, and maybe, just MAYBE throw a stream out here and there which you will gobble up like the sweet little paypigs you are
>former DOTA player>plays in LoL>graduatesI guess not all ASSFAGGOTS are the same?
>>90637241And Fauna, somebody who does actually stream, isn't worth throwing some money at to keep?Cover can get fucked and so can every single share holder.
>>90637406It's not a girlfriend, it's someone you like to listen to. For me, it's a cute little sister energy I like and that's why I watch biboo. If she quit streaming I wouldn't go watch someone else, I would simply not watch vtubers anymore cause I like her and not the medium.
i just wish indies stayed on youtube instead of moving to twich. twitch is so fucking ass, man
>>90637450>i cried when ame graduatedPlease be bait.
>>90637279they really did become japanese...
>>90637450As they leave and make a success out of leaving far more are going to leave, hololive take too much money and make too many demands.
>>90637492i do not think going missing completely for what is currently 62 days, and doing this regularly, indicates that she's doing the bare minimum and riding the gravy train. that would be a 1 hour stream every week or two, with some vague v-tweeting. with gura, you see more of an avoidant personality, which indicates she is hiding from something she hates doing.
Vegan moment. Vegans are annoying and always wants special treatment. She wanted special treatment but the management didn't give it to her.
>>90613341And Shondo.
>>90637548A hiatus Gura is still more valuable than an active FaunaOne Gura's merch wave in TW sold for $1.5M, even beat big names like Hello Kitty. Fauna isn’t making 1.5M a year
>>90637583Only women do this. Men just see vtubers as fap material and gfe
>>90637628no, it's not bait. it was just a single tear if that makes you feel better though. was more from reminiscence and seeing something i love die than missing ame in particular
>>90637548Correct. Streamers are an ever-decreasing part of Cover's revenue, and it's likely the part where they have the most revenue-sharing with the talent. IP and likeness are everything.Now that the affiliate option exists I assume we'll see Gura leave after one more big concert, Dodgers-esque promotion, etc. Prior to this it felt like she was holding on because there wasn't an in-between option.
>>90637548public companies only care about brand damage, not work horses. this applies to all public companies, someone pulling in money is less important than "the face of the company"
>>90637601>goes to kick
/jp/ is laughing at us
>>90637686this is such an elegant masterclass rrat that I hope it's true.
>>90637646Well, Ame isn’t doing a good job at that so let’s hope Fauna will
>>90637450Take solace in knowing that this is Fauna standing up for herself. Management's made it clear talents refusing to relocate to Japan are second-class employees and won't receive the same level of support as a backhanded punishment. This isn't even a rrat, the talent themselves have openly said that moving to Japan gives them more opportunities, and who do you think has been telling them that? Fauna had enough of it and told them to fuck off.
>>90637736>angry old roastiefuck off outta the thread cunt, your cat needs feeding
>>90628651AI sexfauna bootlegs, take it or leave it
>>90637373>The trumpets are referred to in Koine Greek as σάλπιγξ (sálpinx, salpinx)>Read it as "saplinx"
Can anyone confirm?
What the fuck?? You told me they hated each other.
>>90637780Nigger even I'm laughing at us
>>90630902>please ugly gaijin dont fuck with my bag
>>90637881>Kiara running her mouth againI believe it. If there was a vtuber version of The View that bitch would be the host.
>>90637881idk i'm not giving any money to that turboslut
>ple-please buy hololive merch...
vtuber newbie here, perhaps my perspective will be informative or entertaining to somei had never heard of 'vtubers' before learning about neurosama, from my obsession with AI (been sucking yud's dick since 2006)it made sense to me that she would have a drawn avatar, after all, she doesn't have a real life body, what choice does she havebut when i googled 'vtuber' assuming i'd find other examples of 'virtual' people, i was surprised and intrigued to learn that most vtubers were not virtual people, just virtual characters played by real humansi spent a lot of time watching neuro, even though it creeped me the fuck out that she was a little girl and the whole thing felt really disturbing, and youtube started recommending me clips of other 'vtubers', but i always hit 'do not recommend' on those because the whole idea was just cringe to meuntil a few months back, youtube finally autoplayed me a clip of fuwamoco flinging koro-san out of her ambulance in hologta, and i fell down the rabbit holebut the feeling of inauthenticity continued to creep me out. as a superautist fuck, i never appreciated how important microexpressive body language was, until suddenly i was deeply, deeply disturbed by its absence. i could never shake the feeling that the people I was watching were *really* acting. Not like, playing up for the camera the way normal streamers do, but full on "robert downy jr is NOT iron man" actingfauna was literally the only vtuber who did not give me this disturbed feeling. it felt intuitively obvious that, while the demands of the industry forced her to play a character, she was unwilling to play a character who wasn't close enough to her true self that she didn't have to 'act', she could just be approximately herselfi feel like this sense I had was confirmed with the "i am not your friend" video, which i really, really appreciatedi don't really care a whole lot about hololive vs nijisanji vs vshojo vs indies or whatever. What I do care about is, entertainers who deliberately blur the line between authenticity and character portrayal to take advantage of parasociality, and entertainers who deliberately avoid doing thatand I feel like Fauna's departure is a huge blow to my team, in a way that makes me suspect the entire industry will end up consumed by that disturbing lack of authenticity which turned me off so hard in the beginning.thank you for coming to my ted talk, sorry for wall of texting
>>90637883Why you believing that shit?Fauna sent a voice message to congratulate Shondo on stream.
>>90637881>becoming a KFPShant
>>90637780We always did and never stopped.
>>90638005Good luck on vtubing, I didn't read all that, I'm not going to read all that, I'm sorry that happened or kill yourself. Whichever applies.
>>90637883Them getting along is even worse than them hating each other.
>>90638005i'm not reading your post redditor-samacaptcha: THX2
>>90637881I believe it. But it's not even a stretch. If you've worked in a team for corpo before, there's always going to be some coworkers who feel more slighted by management than others. Doesn't mean management is bad and the whole company is fucked, it's just imperfection that comes with the system. Sometimes it can be improved, sometimes it can't.
>>90637881Wasn't there a membership clip some weeks ago of her being super sad and saying "My biggest fear in life became reality"?
This sticky has lasted longer than chloe's
bummer i guess
>>90637744NTA, but to add on to this: while streaming is probably indeed a decreasing part of Cover's revenue, streaming->idol is (currently) the only pipeline to make talents generate money. They can't just plop literally who talents into a gen and then just have them instantly do promos/merch/music etc. Streaming is a necessary prerequisite, even if they are technically losing money doing it.So while I don't think hololive will just remove streaming all together, I do think we might see more and more "eh idc about work" corpo chuubas getting axed, since they aren't willing to adapt to idolshit.
>>90638184Sir this is an english speaking board
Should I blame micom*t
>>90638184some of us speak english none of us speak japanese
>>90637883You're still living in 2021 buddy. Do your reps
>>90638184ah gee whiz i wonder why the english american streamer's thread lasted longer on the english american website
>>90637881>giving money to Cover after last nightkek no way
Fucking retards i swear, HoloLive just debuted FLOWGLOW which is composed by some ex-AKB members... this alone shows how much of IDOL shit they are going for and how talents are leaving because of that...Fauna leaving and saying that she wanted to do Idol shit is probably because she would need to be in Japan for long periods of time because of the Studio (Ina stuff going on probably pushed her away from that) and there it goes.
>>90638184This is an English speaking board. Go back to /jp/, Kairo Seijuro.
Do they really need for them to be in Japan? To the point of pressuring your talents into quitting. Just puppeteer the model while the talent sends the audio, is a better solution than this lol.
>>90637804even if that is actually a real thing (which would explain why bae and now biboo are moving), it would not explain the "direction change" both aqua and chloe cited. japanese love to basically talk around something without saying it directly. "company direction" could mean a lot of things and that is on purpose so you don't really have a clear idea of what area is causing the real agitation. here fauna laid it flat-out that management alone is specifically why she is leaving. can't get much more clear than that. there's no guarantee this is also why chloe/aqua/ame left but I mean we at least know one specific answer now and several super-vague ones.
>>90638236There is no micomet clique in hololive.
There's only one billionaire autistic weeb that can save Hololive now.
>>906381753 years is a long time to work in a company. maybe youre just tired or you wanna take a break after earning a bit of money.I dont particularly dislike anyone who decides to stop working for Hololive because I can imagine how stressful making such a decision can be. Like wow this is like the best job I can have, but I'm getting pretty tired and I wanna do sonething else.
>>90638238Atashi wa, no nihongo speako.
>>90638184people actually like fauna
>>90637881Yes. You can check /hlgg/ for more infoAlso, funny and she definitely didn’t think too much about it so this was a chimkin incident, but she said JP members have better work ethics so they can deal with work better. Probably didn’t realize that that could be seen as throwing shade at Fauna even though she didn’t mean that
>>90637804>chloe and aqua had to move to japan so they quit
>>90638134>>90638174I skimmed through it with my eyeballs and basically he's saying Fauna is the realest vtuber and isn't acting or something like everyone else and also started watching 2 months ago
>>90637881>Says management are to blame, but it's not always company wide>Sometimes micro disagreements over time can compound and become a much bigger issues>Girls are allowed to reject quite a lot of things if they want to, so it's not an issue with workload unless they feel obligated>People come and go at jobs often, it feels bad to see someone leave but there's probably a future for them elsewhere.>Made comment about watching an alt account of her favorite from Morning Musume who turned her content from idol into mom insta (re: Fauna will continue to exist and you can find her elsewhere if you want)>Said that management kinda sucks and that nothing is ever perfect, but she still likes being in Hololive personally.
>>90637883What if she got drunk with Shondo and started leaking shit?
>>90638317Elon buying Cover would be the biggest normie filtering ever done
>>90638308people also seem to have conveniently forgotten that the literal face of management for Cover's entire existence left just before all of this started happening
>>90638005>only read the last two linesnice try, but hiding behind all those words doesn't make you any less of a faggotFauna wasn't special in any way or form and you are either full of shit or coping hard (I say the former)
>>90638317>cheering for glorified welfare queen
>>90638462What if they did an off collab and started kissing or holding hands...
>>90637406>You just care about the porn.>pornwhat porn? i didn't know they made porn. news to me and everybody else. any videos of said porn, Mr. goon?
>>90637881This would be all well and good if it wasn't for the fact that she said she basically had no choice and didn't want to leave at all. Not saying she's lying but I feel like she's just trying to calm everyone down more than anything.
>>90638413she is pretty good at streaming and does come off as genuinely kind. but i have been with a vegan before and she has probably pulled the curtain back a bit when she said the "we're not friends" bit, there's a very high likelihood that if you actually knew her and if she actually knew you, you wouldnt like each other, for whatever reason.
>>90638459So if Kiara is to be believed it's like every single corpo job, ever?
>>90635601>Are people really so parasocial that they think they have some special connection to a popular streamer?yes. that's what the word means.
>>90638462Into my mouth?
>>90638005are you that guy always posting walls of text in /swarm/?
Isn't it the case that hololive discourage girls getting into relationships? if so, no wonder they leave.
>>90638459So how long until people start interpreting this as "management did nothing wrong"
>>90614269Same with Pomu’s graduation…
>>90638308Aqua and Chloe graduate for different reasons so grouping them together isn’t really right
>>90638308>it would not explain the "direction change" both aqua and chloe citedGoing public and the resulting shake-up likely resulted in multiple problems for the talent. The same profit maximization thought process can fuck up a lot of things. The details are unimportant, at this point I don't think anyone can deny the root of the issue stems from going public.
Does capitalism need update? Share holder system where they are top of social ladder.
>>90638640already happening
>>90638640Yagoo is best girl xD
>>90638609I took it as more that Cover has been doing shit that has been changing the way they handle talents in general on the back end and it's causing issues with some and not with others. I will always hate management, no matter what.
>>90638317He's gonna force in a clause in the talents' contract where they have to give birth to Elon's children or face termination.
>>90638337lmao no.She's not your friend buddy.
>>90638688State backed vtubers.
>>90638640Niji and Cover fans are made of the same cloth. Stan the company, they can do no wrong.
>>90638317Which Holomember would Elon Musk artificially inseminate first?
>>90638635its dont ask/dont tellthey dont care unless ur bf messages you and a popup comes on stream
>>90638635um, very obviously not
>>90638494a-chan really was the glue, huh
>>90638317Elon said Your Name the anime was greatest film ever. That got him more respect than any thing he could have ever done.
>>90638804Okayu, Raora, and Botan, in that order.
>>90638812Geez, I wonder what that could possibly be a reference to.
>>90638635No. See Rushia who was fucking married
>>90637883They made up a while ago
>>90638564To the unloved female accident, any congress between man and woman is sexual. If it is transactional it is prostitution. And if you observe that woman through visual media it is rationally porn.It's a very easy perspective to grasp, if a bit silly.Sadly there is no porn.And if there were we'd have it.
>all recent graduates were sovlful singersI'm noticing
>>90638840A-Chan was the real canary in the coalmine, not Fubuki.
>>90638840idk if she was holding the company together per se, i would guess that whatever the "new company direction" is was not something she was comfortable implementing or enforcing, and she probably knew about it before any of the talents
>>90638633not sure if this is a serious question, but no loli have not been on an imageboard since like 2009, only came here because i wanted to express these thoughts and let the mob remind me to stop caringi did not think reddit or x would provide this service, then i remembered 4chanso far i am not disappointed
>>90638804I am disappointed in anons. How does nobody immediately say anyone from HoloX? That man is disturbingly obsessed with that letter.
>>90638707Did anyone else think his name was pronounced similarly to Mr.Magoo?
>>90638907Take that back. Chloe’s voice is beautiful and she has gotten much better since debut
>>90638935either that or she was the only one with the balls to say 'no this is retarded' to their proposals and got sick of it when she realized they were gonna keep pushing it
>>90637881If Kiara was big enough to leave she would leave, but people would stop caring about what she says as soon as she can't do her "behind the scenes" / spilling the beans streams. Also no one would listen to her terrible music.
>>90638317>With new HoloCN to pander to his main benefactors Hard pass.
>>90638317based. can't wait.
>>90562666Please remove the sticky it has been up for too long already
>>90639004Kiara's a glorified cosplayer and she knows it. It's Hololive or bust for her.
>>90639004Kiara knows she is nothing without Hololive. All her previous endeavors to make it big have massively failed and only got her a stalker.
We can look at past graduations to determine that a normal graduation is determined about 4 months before it's announced or 5 months before it happens, but this one couldn't have been because that'd be early August for her, but August 12th she talked about wanting to run TTRPG campaigns for the girls eventually and August 23rd, during her anniversary stream, she joked about what she'd be doing next year. So compared to other graduations, this one was a more recent decision.It was definitely decided at least two weeks ago because she posted on her pl for the first time in 3 years, she joked a lot about burning the Minecraft server/her tree down, and the EnReco recap didn't mention her at all.So somewhere between August 23rd and November 17th.Saplings have any ideas?
>>90638731I wonder if it's more like some specific managers are just really really bad and shouldn't have their jobs and cover just never does anything about it. like not even talent managers but some rando middle dude whose name you might not even know is just mysteriously veto'ing tons of stuff you wanted to do.somehow I only just realized this but maybe, what some girls go through may feel sort of like most things about the job are nice, but there is some shadowy figure who seems to legit be your anti somewhere in the company, slowly but consistently taking cowardly potshots at you from the distance all the time and your "friendly" manager won't tell you who it is, nobody will tell you who it is and you have to just sit there and let this person shit on you for years and fuck a bunch of your shit up and you can't even fight back, can't even talk to them. if that's what goes on, I don't blame girls for getting fed up and going "ok, you win, I'm out." but in fauna's case she wanted to do the closest she could to namedrop this person on the way out.
Hololive need to sort this shit out, more and more are leaving and it's going to turn people against the management. Whatever they are doing is going to ruin the company. 2 big names leaving in a few months, and guta barely even streaming at all. More are gonna leave soon.
>>90639004Kiara is worst Hololive talent. But if she went indie her income would go to zero. Tldr we'd see here in Kabukicho on sidewalk in a thong, working in a hostess club. Popping birth control pills.Austrian girls in Japan.
>>90620283Seeing the reaction to this FOR RUFFIANS stream sapnigger deserves it and worse.
>>90638944>I'm getting hecking distuuuuurbed
>>90638761But she good streamer
>>90639078I feel really sorry for Kiara because all her efforts before Hololive failed, and worse she was abused in her past idol company, Kiara really gas determination and tenacity and I'm glad that her efforts paid off with Hololive.
I'm basically Pekora and Fauna fan. If Pekora graduates, I'll never watch any Vtuber again.Peko I'll move on with my life
>>90639148She'd VShojo faster than anyone in history. No way she'd survive without a support structure.
>>90639043you're getting it either way gweilo
Friendly reminder: go outside and touch some grass. Don't use these girls as your only source of human connection. Spend time with your family, friends, coworkers, whoever. They will come and go. You will remain. Learn to view them as additional entertainment and nothing more. Worst case scenario, she will keep streaming on her pl. It's a bummer that she won't be in hololive collabs anymore, but it's alright. She's not gone forever.
>>90639247She worked for Austrian Airlines. Flight attendants literally have more casual sex with strangers than porn stars. Atleast porn stars keep it in friend circles.
>>90639004Bean spilling shtick is the only thing that got bunch of antis off her back in early 2021 as well. She latched on to that hard once she realized that talking about why Gura/Ina can't stream (absolving them of any wrongdoings so to speak) made their fans shit on her less. Without it she would regain some antis probably, though not likely.
>>90635322>Suisei can play Suika game but Fauna apparently can'tThis is the rrat I am going with. From now on, including the new gens going onwards, no one can play Suika games anymore. They are actually really trying to go down the idol route. Fauna is opposing the real idol route.
>>90638772That smells like authoritarian part of the either left or right part of extremities.Last time state backed vtubers flopped hard.
>>90638974Mr Yagoo is hilarious
The problem when these girls graduate is they aren't the same on their other accounts, it's not just the visual avatar but their personality changes too. They are told to act a certain way and when they are free they tend to act more slutty and weird.
>>90639336Wise frog sage, we'll never see the end of L.A. Noire. Pikmin 2 100%...Also what am I going to do with these 40 Sapling images on my phone?
>>90639353Kiara's mother let her drop out of school and go to Japan alone at 15 years old, and when her first try at being an idol failed she went back to Austria and worked until she tried again in Japan and that failed too, I would have been so depressed if I was her at that point before she joined Hololive. I don't understand the hate towards Kiara.
>>90639418People often ignore this.
>>90639128I wouldn't be surprised if the management system was a mess at times, feels like it's every so often I hear about one of the girls complaining about how much of a mess that shit can be. Also wasn't management fuckery the reason why Altare is taking a month hiatus too?
>>90638777>b-but niji!
>>90639418Normally I'd agree you but Fauna does seem genuinely seiso. I don't see her ever acting like a turboslut but I can see her getting more political in her tweets. Apparently she's a huge leftie.
>>90639418This. Saplings better be prepared for a wild ride if they expect her to be the same way when she leaves
>>90639128>some rando middle dude whose name you might not even know is just mysteriously veto'ing tons of stuff you wanted to doIt's been posted about here before, but the image many girl in EN and JP both seem to give by their complaints is that Hololive management appears like a black box where you send thoroughly thought out and well-worded applications and then it randomly prints out a "Yes" or "No" several months later at which point it might be too late with no explanation as to why it was a "Yes" or "No". The only way to know that is to nag at them, and the management reacts exactly the same as every human being who are being nagged at, but sacrificing your relationship capital in this way is also the only way to speed up the process, learn the details, as well as to work out a watered down compromise solution to a "No".
>>90639465>we'll never see the end ofNo...
>>90639418Yeah. You can tell things are not going to be the same, just by what company Lemonleaf kept. Huuuuge red flags.
>>90639551>Apparently she's a huge leftie.Cringe
>>90639418>be woman>crave attention and money>get attention and money>crave being a whore>leave company, keep attention and money>get attention and money and being a wholeEasy choice
i held out hope things would get better but its over
What happened?
>>90639474dropping out of school is fine but going to another country alone at 15?single mother things
why do so many companies go public when it's proven to destroy everything within the following 5-10?
>>90639599What are Kson's numbers like these days
>>90636281They probably realized the potential audience in europe is not profitable enough and prefer to milk the japs more
>Ame was my first vtuber>Ame was my first heartfelt graduation>weather the storm>get to enjoy her in other iterations>sad that she won't be in any more myth collabs, but it is what it is>watch Fauna the most in the past year>Fauna's graduation hits me for a fraction of what Ame's didAfter going through my first graduation, this isn't nearly as bad. Yeah, it sucks. But it isn't the end of the world.
>>90639639>She loves us but we're also not friendswtf do we make of this saplingbros????
>>90639639An insane increase on demanding talents to push products to their fans non-stop while also demanding even more meeting time to talk about these projects, plans, and merch eating into more 'work time' for those who want to keep some semblance of balance.
>>90639683Cecilia is great but I doubt she has a lot of german viewers.
>>90639418that's usually truethough not always
>>90639639This is probably shortly after she knew she was going to graduate for sure.In the instant a woman makes a decision to betray someone, you can see them physically try to make up for it to handle the guilt. Love bombing comes before the fall.
>>90639418Saplings gonna get NTRed...>hi saplings so good to see you again after graduation, thanks for returning>today we will be going on IRL stream to club and see if we meet people>hey saplings, today we will be going to Venice Beach and do some sun bathing, do you like my swimsuit?>proceeds to chatting with surfer bro. Ends stream without recogning donos
>>90637450give this anon some masculinity lessons
>>90639551She is a mix of Fauna and Lamy.>leftie>veganNo shit, who would've known?
>>90637881god i wish she would leave after 'her' 'tenure'
>>90639713She loves your money and validation, but don't expect anything even though you pay her in dollars and time.
>>90639594How are you surprised that a girl in her late 20s/early 30s that's a vegan and American is a leftist?That's like going to the South Dakota and being surprised people are right leaning
>>90639758RockhardPlease yes
>>90639653Exactly, I think Kiara's a little socially stunted because her teenage hood was horrible which is maybe why some anons found Kiara's personality annoying when she first joined Hololive because she still hasn't completely got the hang of social interactions.
>>90639551>Woman>LeftyThis is their default political state you muppet. The only ones who arent are ones that had strong fathers or husbands that they respect tell them otherwise.
>>90639835I would have loved to see Fauna reaction to Trump's election win last month lol
>>90639551>a huge leftieWhich part of it? Gender or anarchist?
>>90639670What were her numbers as the reddit dragon?
>>90636281As others have said they're probably not being forced to move to Japan, just offered a lot of incentives if they do make the move. Things like sponsorships and preferential treatment with personal projects. Some on the EN side might be OK with being treated as essentially second-class employees if all they want to do is stream and occasionally fly to Japan for the big events, but apparently Fauna wasn't OK with it. Good on her for standing up for herself.
Finally a Fauna and Vesper collab!
>>90639658maybe yagoo yabba dabba doo'd all the investment money into holoearth and literally had to find a lot of cash fast or lose the company.in general however if cover had been a thing since like 2016-17 technically and their operations were in full swing about 2018 onward, generally, those investors who helped get the company off the ground, as long as they're seeing positive signs, outright expect the IPO to follow about 5 years later.my suspicion is yagoo had no fucking idea that the company would go into the directions it did and reach the success that it has. cover was more like a VR tech company initially etc. but it still got off the ground by those investors who now must have been thrilled that they were the seed money for a unicorn company (not the vtuber term but the silicon valley VC one, of breakout-success company that quickly moons in value). they wanted to make good on their invesment and get a big ass payoff. if yagoo didn't do it they might have literally and legally just taken the company from him and then IPO'd it themselves, making resisting them a meaningless gesture. it was always going to happen, but I bet yagoo regrets that it did and he signed those papers to get the VC money back then not really-expecting that it would come to this.
>>90639418I would be surprised, if most of these girls had TDS.
>>90616087Based.
She unironically just got a boyfriend, while Cover may allow it, she knows everything while come crashing down if her relationship gets found out. So it's better for her to leave and then claim she started dating "after" leaving Hololive.
>>90639918Marine comes across as pretty conservative. She's always telling jealous whores to fuck off.
>>90640047Ew she might catch aids from that boomer on grindr
EN whores ruined hololive
>>90639418It forces you to make a decision you didn't think about: do you like the vtuber because of the character she plays and her dynamic with other holos, or do you like her more as a person? If it's the former, graduation isn't much different from retirement. If the latter, you now have the chance to get to know her better than ever before. I thought I was the former but the recent graduations made me realize I was the latter.
I don’t care if it’s true or notThe idea of micomet being turbostacies walking over everyone is too fucking funny
>>9063983527 to be precise. Said she is 24 back in 2021 as Lemonleaf.
>>90639353>She worked for Austrian Airlines.She failed the interview, anon. She applied and went through some on-boarding, but never actually flew with them. t. 4 year long kfp employee
>>90640172Unironically true, Hololive's reputation has been tarnished and the stigma will remain forever, and it's all the fault of these western grifter whores.
>>90640139Fauna is Boss from MGS2 or Joe Biden from 2024 election. She is a patriot hiding the truth from saplings.
>>90640228Do you know more about Kiara's mother and why she was so neglectful towards her?
>>90640228Damn. She even failed in that.
>>90640211Suisei actually is a turbostacy, but Miko's just a retard and being led around and manipulated.
>>90640182You might think it's the latter, but it is always the former. You are never, ever exposed to the vtuber when they aren't playing the character.Even the little bits of breaking character are, in and of themselves, controlled by the girl herself. If she wasn't playing a character, it wouldn't be entertaining. The pandering is just working on you.
>>90640182It's the character 100%, no contest and it's the objective truth for everyone, even if they don't realize.
>>90640228Yeah she said specifically that she stopped at the final interview and said that she figured it wouldn't be for her.>>90640288Kiara's mom is a real piece of work. Many boyfriends through the years, kids with multiple men, and at the end of the day she's now just enjoying herself out inna woods making her own floor in her home and raising livestock. A real 'independent woman' for good and bad.
>>90639940The diversity kind i think she doesn't like terfs either
See it positive anons.This could absolutely mean ASMR collabs with Shondo.
>>90639247should've taken the easier path
>>90639658the current owners can IPO and be set for life while also taking a big salary hike for the remaining 5-10
>guess who will collab with me soon
>>90640035I just don't get it>cozy kush job in growing hololive attracting EN and JP alike>literally seen as a trailblazer for vtubers >wake up one day and decide you know what? I'm going to slut it up on twitch >vshojo is just an old folks home for vtubers, the AEW to WWE >leave it all
>>90640362Pretty sure Kiara's mom is/was a second-wave feminist.
>>90640392Ultra NTR of saplingsFauna and Shoto ASMR Collab
>>90640371She was all about female empowerment and a fierce advocate for the Twitch hot tub meta to stick it to the guys and independency for women.
>>90639418Well, I don't think tha->KsonYeah, alright. Maybe.
>>90616572*cough* Calli *cough*
>>90640404At least people respect melody marks, unlike orange woman
>>90640404man seeing a woman who looks like she could be my daughter doing this and not some exotic japanese woman really makes it feel very sickening. i don't think i'll ever watch 3dpd again.
>>90640455Funnily enough, she generally hates 'woke' shit and gets into arguments with Kiara about it semi-frequently.
is there going to be a jp-en civil war? At least in niji the jp side can pretend EN doesnt exist, but alot of the jp holos have been posting mega cope shit
>>90640371Every biological woman is a TERF, anon.Why would you even entertain the thought of increasing the amount of your direct competition in the best case? Or in the worst case, allow someone to call themselves a woman but be a mutilated uggo you might encounter in the bathroom?Every single woman gets the ick from trans women.
>>90640473ni hao
>>90640500I'd unironically pay good money for Sydsnap/Hime JAV. With top rated Japanese male host. Her big Ole tities.
>>90640470
>>90640315She's not hot tho
>>90640563She doesn't like terfs. That mean she doesn't like the trans exclusion these specific feminists do.
>>90640217>an early zoomer from 1997What a cute baby.
>>90639418Isn't it the case that some girls are just slutty and weird? Moreso if you're a streamer type?
>>90640534Bro, I don't know if you've been around here for the past five years or not, but it's been happening since Kizuna Ai was still a thing and we were all on /jp/.
>>90640628Her voice is tho
>>90640447in truth coco was always kind of a crass lowlife ethot. the crass nature is why she has so many JP gachikoi, they see her as this exotic domineering american-ish woman way more brutal and untamed than the usual demure japanese girl. but the thing is as everyone knows and says all the time, her being the brash brute was a fun juxtaposition to the many meek holos out there, like her best friend being a little pipsqueak like kanata was really cute to see and hear about. outside that environment and then especially on twitch, ironically she became the tame one because she is part japanese part american but neither as harsh and loud as the actual american ethots nor tame and reserved as japanese ones.
>>90639758that just sounds like your cuck fantasy, stop projecting
>>90640447>leave it all>being this newNigger, she was fired because of China.
>>90640726Isnt that why Coco Kaine was such a meme? Super slut from the west?
>>90640635She says she doesn't like terfs because it increases her perceived moral value. I don't see her associating with any trans vtubers is all I'm saying.
>>90640782>trans vtubersName one
>>90639148>Austrian girls in Japan.The pattern I have noticed is that they hate Austria for being so small and insignificant and that people overseas will either call them German or Australian. Also Kiara's German is so annoying and she thinks that people in Austria still talk like it was 2009, saying shit like "bam oida!"
>>90640691I think he's talking about HoloJP and HoloEN fans, not 4chan boards.
>>90640217someone else i know who was 24 at the time was born in 1996, and you can easily verify this information online
>>90640527Feminism has changed a lot over the decades. It used to be about the liberation women in all forms; professional, sexual and otherwise. Now it's somehow circled around and become almost puritan with its censorship of female sexuality. A lot of old bat feminists hate the modern woke movement.
i feel like this is just mid life crisis and people who just didn't want to commit to this job, none of them ever expected to have to perform or wanted even, they just were in to stream and they are done with it now because of the restrictions of not being to do what they want, whenever they want, i'm just talking about EN case tho, it could apply to both sides but i assume that western people are just weebs that got fed up by the idol thing and japanese had other circumstances besides that
>>90640814Zentreya lmao
Why are you people discussing this? Fauna and Shondo are very close and the latter is absolutely despised by lefties.
>>90619679Not everyone has a white collar job nigger, I regularly work more than 8 hour shifts and I am actually physically working hard you limp-wristed faggot.
>>90640846>Also Kiara's German is so annoying and she thinks that people in Austria still talk like it was 2009, saying shit like "bam oida!"That's sad, it just goes to show how socially isolated she was for the past 15 years
>>90639418i would venture to guess that fauna is not going to thot it up with dicksucking asmr and a microbikini modelbut i would be happy to be wrong
>>90640848But it still stands.
>>90640919isn't he just a babiniku? there's some like him already but they are not trans or even gay, they just use that avatar
>>90640814Uki, Kronii, Zen, Kumo, Artemis.
>>90640768
>>906408572013 called, they want you back
>>90640857I hope those old feminists live long enough to see feminism lose its relevance in societies.
>>90640919Zen is a babiniku until further notice.
>>90562666I don't feel too good Holobros
>>90641134do you think biboo had something incommon with fauna's graduation?
>>90639918>are ones that had strong fathersis strong synonymous with not having a college degree?because if so then I agree
Is it happening again?
>>90640293iirc, it was a health thing. I think it was something about her back and standing for hours on end. That being said, >taking a woman's word when it comes to physical laborThat's women in general, though. I know Kiara is an easy punching bag, but all women are like that. I mean, just take a glance a Sana.
>>90641073>>90641020>babinikuHow is that any different? He's a guy pretending to be a girl in either case.
>>90640900this is so tiresome. they can reject pretty much any event they want, and they can even send in pre-recorded parts for concerts like Fauna did for BD. she didn't even remember what day BD happened, not tweeting about it until an entire week later. there's literally zero chance performing is a big deal for them if they're not that into it.
>>90640857Further, modern woke are pushing men into female spaces. Where they wont even defend actual women from men pretending to be one. Its kinda fucked up all around.
>>90641231Take me back, Mirai Akari...
>>90640919All zoomer femboys bully older trans to suicide. It's actually super fucked up dog eat dog. In femboy streamer world. Or force them to do Vtubing.
>>90640315>Suisei actually is a turbostacyI can see it. With her strong-arming Cover into keeping her model and putting on such a pristine appearance over the years, I would 100% believe it.
>>90641240he's a guy pretending to be a girl online, not irl
>>90641294Femboys are as obnoxious as trannies
>>90641240One is playing a character, the other is a severe mental disorder.Babinikus are also a part of vtuber culture, older than Hololive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqncAh_28Es
>>90641289for me it was kaguya luna
>>90641240Trannies actually try and think they are a girl.Babiniku are no different from playing as a hot chick in games.
My god. Saplings are truly the most obnoxious fanbasr
>>90640900>i feel like this is just mid life crisisaqua quitting actually stopped me from quitting my job because I thought she was being retarded and I realized I was probably being retarded too
>>90641285I find it funny because I hate feminists
>>90641285This is a big part of it too. JK Rowling is a turbofeminist in all ways but that's a bridge too far even for her.
>>90641134No, she only just moved to Japan. She's in for the long run.Mumei and Gura however...
>>90625408>watching her playing the gameI don't even know what's she playing half the time. Games are just a medium to make her yap, which is way more entertaining than whatever slop is being currently played
Babiniku are literally more true to vtubing than the average vtuber now. Vtubers are supposed to be characters, not just some e-thot wearing the skin of an anime girl, while just being themselves. This is why the times of Youtube videos instead of livestreams was gold.
>>90641062political beliefs are largely heritable and feminism, by nature, breeds itself out of existence. that might even be the driving force behind those graphs
https://youtu.be/qPEGtb_sTKI?si=yRc51w1zbT0mLW9H
>>90641269yeah i didn't want to say all that shit about "idol culture" but yeah having to do those at some points bothers them, imagine if every famous streamer did that all the time, instead they just do a celebration stream and that's it, they don't even have to engage with their audience
>>90641467intended for>>90641204
>>90641339not that anon.I suspected as much when while I was watching zen and henya play halo.I think zen used to be a hardcore halo player.
>>90641467Gura's gig is great for her. I sincerely doubt she'll leave hololive because of how valuable she is to them.She is NOT a consistent streamer. She never has been a consistent streamer, and she never will be a consistent streamer. It's in her nature to make one banger to live off of, leave for five months to fuck her boyfriend, and come back when she needs money. Hololive fulfills that exact niche for her.All of the benefits of going indie are moot for Gura because she isn't a streamer.
>>90639741That was all the way back in 2023, no wayShe was still happy during her anniversary (Aug) and talked about her plans for next year (2025) anniversary. Also talked about how she wanted to make an actual TTRPG for the girls.Don't know what happened to Fauna that gave her the final push to graduation but it must have been relatively recent
>>90639418I can only hope LL understands what made people love Fauna so much. I can't see her ever being a whore but she's not retarded and should know that being political (more likely) will turn people off.
>>90641467Gura's definitely taking the Affiliate out in 2025. We'll see what Mumei and Kronii do. I don't think either of them want to relocate to Japan. Mumei I can see leaving on good terms, but no way Kronii doesn't blast some people on her way out.
>>90641512No, the driving force of that graph is young men and boys being subjected to misandry from feminists.
>>90641563but mumei seemed to be in love with faunahttps://youtube.com/shorts/p5CuRCmyUYY?si=txEnaKWkCuwNIFHH
>>90641285One of the key aspects of modern Woke is to create division and conflicts. It's a Hegelian religion where the dialectic is an inherent part of the Work (not how the terms they use are straight out of hermetic beliefs). They intentionally create antitheses to theses, in the outright religious belief that the following synthesis will be of greater knowledge, reaching towards Gnosis/utopia/whatever the fuck they believe is the endgoal. They turn this dialectical method against themselves too, which leads to purity spirals and a constant inability to create anything good and worthwhile. They only destroy, criticize, negate.
>Cover is not the safe haven for mentally ill women anymore
>>90620283Allow me to play the devil dogs advocate and say that this is targeted at ruffians that may have any doubts about them quitting.
>>90641639They have been renewing the contracts (which is why we get a bunch of graduations one after another) so if Gura is going affiliate, we probably will know very soon.If there is no news in another month, chumbuds should be safe until next Oct
>>90641620Makes sense honestly, I could also see all the funny business with her Senzawa account as nothing more than trolling. I remember back in 2022 Sachiowo's twitter banner read "Have you found what you're looking for yet?". That was obviously years before Ame graduated
Hot Take..As long as Luna and Watame are at Hololive. Hololive will be daijoubu.
>>90641676>misandry from feministsthats just cope from fat uggos
>>90641495Your argument would have made sense if you didn't include a gif of Zentreya.
>>90641639I still think about how she complained about "losing some friends" at Hololive during her last anniversary stream lmao
>>90641751>They intentionally create antitheses to theses, in the outright religious belief that the following synthesis will be of greater knowledge, reaching towards Gnosis/utopia/whatever the fuck they believe is the endgoalIf only that was the endgoal. Its not. They're just hard stuck on the antitheses. They're not actually moving away from the dialectical nature of things but instead clinging harder to identity politics. Ideally dialectical antithesis opposition should only be used to highlight that the structure is artificial and move on from that. Which is a nice theory and practiced by Hindus/Buddhists. But the woke have only adopted half of it and dug themselves into identity politics.
so, will there be dirt on Fauna like there was on Rushia?
>>90641909What?
>>90641751I get the feeling Hololive's hard rule against political talk saved a lot of these girls from themselves. I hope Lemonleaf has enough sense to keep her mouth shut about certain topics.
>>90641911I lost my data recently so I don't have better fitting images.
>Officialy endorsed by HoloIndie
First Lemon leaf Stream has Palestine flag? Um based?
>>90642087Tell him to start making a Kiara game please. We can hope.
>>90642087Only losers constantly lose out. Their whole outlook is a mistake.
>>90642135palestine-israel thing got frozen again. if she wants to stick it to normies she has to have Russian Z flag
>>90642087Wasn't this the guy who went menhera on Ame before? He came back to her?
>>90642087oh no the indie shitter has to start another shitty platformer for the 3053049209 time
>>90641620Gura has been so fucking lucky that the japs haven't realised that they don't need her. I know she was a major cash-cow for years, but she's hasn't been in the past 12-18 months. Honeslty, outside of the Dodgers collab, there's nothing she's done in over a year that was really worth while, let alone just regular streaming. It wouldn't have been as successful, but they could have just slid in another genki En girl like Bae into the Dodgers ads and probably would have still been profitable. They were new at the time, but imagine the twin dogs in the Dodgers collab. They would have fuckin killed it. The jap's fear of change has been protecting Gura for literal years now and it's going to end soon. It's fucking amazing that it hasn't already. Clearly she hates the job and there's nothing Cover can do to bring her back. Particularly now with being a public company, they're not going to let Gura coast for much longer.
>>90641996>They're just hard stuck on the antithesesBecause they believe the synthesis will naturally occur. That's why it's religious. They just have faith in this idea, that as long as they negate, criticize (critical theory!), and create antitheses, the synthesis will blossom on its own. That out of the negation, somehow, in some inherent, divine manner, we will be one step closer to !Gnosis. There are whole movements who focus simply on negation and criticism just out of this belief. That all they have to do is criticize and destroy.It's an actual fucking cognitohazard, an ideological weapon that destroys societies. >But the woke have only adopted half of it and dug themselves into identity politics.Nah, the Woke derive themselves from Hegel and his life's work of popularizing a "gnostic hermetic" system of belief, religion. You can trace every single branch of Woke ideas into Hegel and Marx (through him into Hegel.) And Hegel himself was what could be called a gnosticist.
>>90642087Once the dust settles they're going merge Calli, Kiara, Ina, Bae, and Irys into a new group. The Myth was a lie and the Promise was broken.
>>90639741>love bombinglmao go back
>>90642135Guess that explains why she is leaving, with Migo getting McDonald sponsorship and appearing in their ads...
>>90642227Wokeness usually doesn't work if one or both sides are white.
>>90641909>ad hominemthe adults are talking, sweety.
>>90640447she was urged to leave by cover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banishment_room
>>90639741>shortly after she knew she was going to graduate>15 months before she actually graduatedu 4 real?
>>90642282FWMC will be replacing Gura as the face of Hololive.
>>90642259Despite the name, Smol Ame 2 has the other 4 girls. Doesn't fix the part where it's a platformer, or the part where it doesn't entice 3 of the available members.
>>90640768>Cover literally nuked their Chinese audience for Coco's sake>Nigger, she was fired because of China.How does it feel to be this aggressively retarded?
>>90642010>I hope Lemonleaf has enough sense to keep her mouth shut about certain topics.you know she doesn't. they can't help themselves.
>>90642010She always came off as one of the more genuinely intelligent EN members so I'm hoping she recognises that. But, intelligent people who know they're clever also often feel the need to lecture others, so I don't completely trust she won't go off on some retarded tangent one day
>>90642433They didnt nuke it for Coco. They were also going for Fubuki, Aqua and Haachama.
>>90642282>there's nothing she's done in over a year that was really worth whileDid you forget Gurarium and sushiro collabs, schizo?
>>90619862probably because he's either a plant hired by shareholders that now have access to Cover doing psy-op retardation, or was one of the schizos that thought he had a chance getting vTuber clunge all because she did ASMR and had a nice voice. the rrats around Fauna are some of the most microwaved and constantly stem from the fact that rratters hate Shondo and hate that Fauna knows & is friends with Shondo. It's essentially a self-report that they should have their hard drives checked.>>90619926lmao, this idiot, thinks he actually works at his job. stuff it. most people, even blue collar workers, don't work as hard as they could at their jobs. Most are operating at anywhere from 60-85%, and those are mid-rainge, mid-wit people. Far better to work more efficiently at a lower actual percentage than just keep putting in a ton of effort brute forcing everything. Not to mention, what do you do when you run out of stuff to do? You can't just assume there's more work somewhere, let alone if you'd even be able to help with it. It's always worth a try, but sometimes the sanest option is knowing how to pace yourself so the bucket is just not empty & not full enough. Lotta these 'you don't know hard work' replies are, I'd guess, coming from forever wagie nonces expecting to just get noticed by stacking hours, rather than doing shit that makes their bosses' lives and peers' lives easier.
>>90642377>responds to an ad hominem with an ad hominem
>>90628016Suits want to do more shilling. That would require regular travels to japan to properly record all the promotions. Work travel sucks, constant work travel sucks hard, sucks double so if you have a some very specific lifestyle, like taking care of the family or being vegan or etc. And all that sacrifice just for the sake of shilling new brand of diapers or some shit every so often.
>>90642010Professionalism and free speech only work out when you have a "fuck you" money. And also when you're genuine/intelligent (self critical/open) about your own beliefs.
>>90642377you just dont want to hear the truth
>>90640447She literally said back then that even if others wanted to collab with her, they were shot down as were all of her ideas for streams. Then bunch of mods she was given by managers were actually chink antis and were banning her own members. She was pretty much bullied out. My personal theory is that she cost cover all of those potential chink gacha collabs with games like azur lane, arknights etc. Those gacha collabs/pull streams is where the real potential audience and money is.
>>90642433>Cover literally nuked their Chinese audience for Coco's sake>implying the damage control was able to save Coco's career at Hololive>Coco still had to leave Cover due to the controversyWhat were you were saying again?
so what now i gotta start getting into indies? this sucks
>>90642087>ame>fauna>Why am I a failure?!Just stop having shit taste, faggot.
>>90642491>>90642469Thankfully she's graduating after the election is over. If she had gone indie in September or October she would have shot herself in the foot 100%.
>>90630142by sheer coincidence she's the only other holo I (semi-)actively watch besides Fauna
>>90642614All of the hololive members, maybe not the newest gens have enough clout/fans they would be fine going on their own. When you don't have the overhead of a whole company you need a lot less to profit to survive. The downside is you have to organize on your own and have to spend less on the actual job of performing which can also burn someone out.Way more risk/reward for everything they do.
>>90640857Never hapenned, next time your going to tell me christian and jew just wanted to share peace with the whole planet
>>90642491>She always came off as one of the more genuinely intelligent EN membersYeah, but most intelligent people are still irrational and driven by beliefs and faith, rather than reason and truthfulness. It wouldn't be anything special for her to start ranting about stuff.
>>90642889If you think Miko can survive on her own then you're more retarded than she is.
Yep, I'm done with EN. I know there are other girls, but Advent and Justice are just too zoomer for an Oji-sap like me. Fauna had that millennial sense of humor I could connect with, which I think no one else has.
>>90642552>aquarium>last January, 10 months ago>sushiro>last February, 9 months agoYeah? And? You really think selling a few lunch sets to locals in Japan is enough to keep her on board, Chumbud? Tell me, did you fly out to Sendai or Taiwan to support her?
>>90643027You're not gonna stick out your gyatt for Nerizzler?
>>90641231Can't wait until Gura gets replaced with a chatGPT enhanced Vocaloid
only 1000 comments? even hlgg is bigger right now...
>>90617414A & B
>>90642819>What were you were saying again?If you're gonna talk shit, at least learn to speak properly, retard.What was I saying? Did I stutter motherfucker? Cover literally nuked their Chinese audience for Coco's sakeNow stop making me repeat myself you schizo freak, I have no interest in your delusions
>>90641231wtf happened to that kizuna ai vid?
Why is it that Holofans on /vt/ specifically are such gigantic /pol/fags? It's wild to me.
>>90643027So true, ossan. I've only got IRyS left for regular watching I guess.
Suisei is ordering management to hold Gura hostage because she’s jealous of her being the most subscribed
>>90642995Sorry to break the kayfabe anon she is as likely to survive as anyone else from Hololive. Though to be any kind of streamer means you are some level of weird.
>>90643027>that millennial sense of humor I could connect with, which I think no one else has.This is it. It's just too hard to relate to the whippersnappers.
>>90643047Picrel was what Gura made for Cover and sponsors from her TW collabs. That was more than what every other members (perhaps except Mori) made individually over the entire year
>>90641231Bottom-right looks like an oppai Gura.
>>90617520IDK if I’d describe it as “bitter”. She sounded more emotional, depressed, hurt, etc.
>>90632955HELL NO it isn't.
>>90643159How embarrassing
>>90643201>Cover literally nuked their Chinese audience for Coco's sakeYes, and Coco still had to retire, retard, because of what happened. Take your own advice and reread the thread.
>>90643137This might be offtopic, but are there better versions of chatGPT than just going to openai.com/chatgpt? Because I've used that thing several times (for the first time) recently and almost every single thing it says is incorrect. I tried feeding it math problems and it keeps giving me wrong answers; I tried asking it vtuber/anime/manga questions that you can find online with a simple search and it keeps giving me wrong answers. It seems fucking awful.
>>90617414E. Hoping she at least goes back to her old persona, and streams with Shondo again…
I don't like Suisei anymore...
>>90642352>Fauna unironically left becase Cover wanted to collab with McDonaldsShe just said "disagreement with management" in order to shift the blame on Cover without actively lying.What a whore.
>>90643027Lots of small and lovely indis for us.
>>90643344it is, but unlike japanese the rich faggot do not even show up to work and do not even need to meedle in meeting to ruin everything, so no one notice them (i know, people are retarded)
>>90643320I don't understand how Gura can be the biggest Holotuber, she's boring and unfunny, Korone, Pekora, and Miko are better than her.
>>90631177They wont learn they think they know whats best. In the words of the great riku. >accelerate
>>90643370I think the paid version is better, but there are certain things that AI is good for and others that it's terrible at.
Management is a catchall term for anyone that's not a talent. Disagreement with management is so nebulous and vague that it could be anything.Travel Japan X amount of times a yearMove to Japan by XPerform in X amount of concerts a yearRelease X amounts of songs a yearFocus more on corporate sponsorships over streamingRestrictions on the type of steams they can do (no ASMR, no custom assets, etc)More permission changes on games they can playChanges on monetization and how much the talent makesFocus on becoming a "brand" over just a streamer or idolSpeak conversational level Japanese in X amount of timeIt could have even been something from Fauna's side where she wanted to talk about politics or do something off limits and she was told noOr a million other thingsYes Fauna said that she liked being an idol, singing, and dancing, but we know that she didn't like traveling, permissions, etc. Anyone of these things could have been the straw that broke the camels back. Unfortunately we'll never know unless someone explicitly says it
The saddest thing about Fauna leaving is we will no longer see her tits in the emo outfit. Truly sad
>>90642819She left because the chinks wouldn't stop pestering her and all members that even acknowledged her, constant bot spam in their chats, mass reports, shit all around. Of course she had to leave for their sake.
>>90640777Basically. She also has to overcompensate her behavior even with the JAV stars who tell her to calm down.
>>90642135Where can I see this?
>>90643361>had to retireShe didn't have to do shit. She left because she wanted to and said so herself, both as Coco and as KsonNow I believe I told you that I'm not interested in your schizo delusions. Next time, come with some proof if you want to be taken seriously
>>90624883Fuck man
EN vtubers need to unionize
We need EN girls that are idol goal oriented, don't mind working overtime and travel multiple times a year to JapanAND WE NEED THEM NOW
>>90637780They should go back to drooling to underage idols.
>>90643555I had hoped the questions I asked were things it'd be good at, like solving weird math problems I didn't know how to do or gathering information from Wikis, but it failed those. I also asked it, "What's Aqua's favorite Apex character?" I asked that Aqua one and it gave me an answer, but then I skimmed through a dozen VODs and never saw the character, so I'm guessing it was wrong. It couldn't even name the six Nen types in Hunter x Hunter and I feel like that's seriously just a Google search away, I don't know how it failed that.
>>90643681>She left because the chinksLiterally all you had to say. I'll take this as my victory. Thanks, chud.
>>90643548Who cares about graduations when you can have some debuts?
>>90639741who hurt you bro? lol
2024 has not been a good year, has it
>>90643808Okay, but are you going to pay them more?
>>90643808>BAU BAU
>>90643808Literally impossible. The closest we'll ever get is Kiara and she's not even a real En since she's a europoor. I'm surprised that Yagoo hasn't cracked the whip harder on Irys to fill the En idol gap.
So now that Fauna doesn't have the backing of a corporation then nobody will care if I visit her at home right?
>>90643877Every single female I have ever known on a personal level.
>>90643964Get in line chud
>>90643877>pretending that women don't flippantly destroy lives dailyAlso,>being a nigger
>>90625894>>90626498Based Japs force-feeding the wanna-be vegans meat so they don't turn into pathetic menlets. Not coping with the western modernism BS is what I like about Japan.
>>90643900>the only members of Advent that will not drop dead as soon as they get put into the meat grinder like Myth and PromiseBiboou will be the first to go because she is like Ame and Fauna a ":I SiGnEd Up FoR VIDEO GAMES AnD No EfFOrT PaSSiVe INcOmE!1!1!!" btw
>>90562666>announce graduation before end of the year>graduate start of the next year
>>90637780Losing Sakamata is worse for JP than losing Fauna is for EN. Myth and Promise are kind of a meme, EN has been taken over by Advent and Promise. Sakamata is arguably JP's biggest earner.>>90643881I think you could argue it's been the worst year. 2020 was full of awful news, but it was also full of great news, it's the year when vtubing exploded. This year has had almost no good news, just bad.
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>>90644097>Japs force-feeding the wanna-be vegans meat so they don't turn into pathetic menletsdoesn't seem to be working given the average japanese man is like 5'5"
>>90643900fuwamoco are cute but they feel too "fake"I want girls that talk and act seriously not women that act like babies
>>90644099Lots of Saplings will go out of this year with a BIG firework.
>>90643894it's not a matter a salary, it's a matter many EN members and possibly JP too are too fucking exhausted to keep the idol bullshit into merch pipeline going so Cover needs new girls even more nowAdvent has realistically only FUWAMOCO up to he task long term, Justice ha 0 members that will survive the "less video games, more come to the fucking studio"
>>90644239“suiclique” is the best shitposting genre since yabbadabbadoo-postingtoo bad that jannies hate fun
>>90644259I imagine most saplings that stick around will migrate to Biboo, Raora, or CC.
Is it going to be awkward once she wins?
>>90644414If you think this category isn't a Nene sweep based on numbers alone you're delusional.
>>90636281In Japan holo advertisement is HUGE. If they can jump into other big markets (Germany, Italy, UK(????))with the same strategy then profits gonna skyrocket, we're talking genuinely recognizable international corpo type of profits, not just obscure jap idol agency.
>>90644405How is that a shitpost?
>>90644239
>>90644410Every Sapling said they either follow her or are done with vtubers.Hololive isn't exactly exciting if you still got your brain.
>>90644410>not following her to her plDo reddit niggers really do this? I mean, her pl yt channel has like quintupled subscribers in the past 24 hours.
>>90618217>hierarchy that rewards ageHagocracy then…
>>90644414This award show is justa s much of a joke as the dewritopope adroll show.
>>90644466Normalfags don't know Nene
>>90644551there's a lot of dumb people that can't figure out innuendo and breadcrumbs thanks to the Sacred Code of Silence, it's not like Doki where her mods said fuck it and explicitly linked her PL (FL?) channel
>790 deleted posts.
why tho
>>90644551Without oversight she'll say something inflammatory about Trump within six months and lose all of her momentum.
>>90643027>Advent and Justice are just too zoomerSame. I started learning JP to increase my options after Gura started taking frequent breaks.
>>90644466Patra mogs your irrelevant whore anyday, and I don't see her in the nominated.
You just know Fauna is just gonna start spamming TikTok reactions and collabs with twitch whores once she settles back as an indie.
>>90632059She's burning down the forest to put up her radio tower.
>>90643808Idol-goal oriented asides, that's basically Justice (for now) as long as you don't force GG & CC to stay outside in JP during summer.
>>90643808>can work overtime>knows how to move aorund corporate bureocracy>can adapt to team enviorments >doesn't mind traveling and is virtually a 3 hours and half commute away from the main office>don't have to start from zero in terms in teaching her singing >already well liked by multiple membersToo bad never ever
her PL just followed the orc dude who's been complaining about hololive management by the way, also followed by senzawa recently alongside dooby so gura may actually be gearing up to leave
>>90644239Why are people pretending she's the new Elira?
>>90637881>it's not that bad guys >it's really complicated okYeah, whatever. There's literally nothing Cover can do that would make Kiara leave, just because she already gone through worse just to get there.
>>90644747I want to say that you're a schizo, but I recently learned that she was from California and it took a bit of enjoyment away from me. t. an anon born and raised in California
>>90644410I like raora and biboo but I'm still following her to her old account
>>90636281they're much better off hiring japanese talent that can speak fluent english rather than getting their talent overseas. They'll expect 10x the pay for half the work
>>90644830What many people aren't realizing is that the Holo girls are vtuber fans as well, they are just fans of the bois. So dissatisfaction among da bois creates dissatisfaction with the girls as well.
>>90644766>no Patra>no Maria>no Meme>no Dona>no Millie>no Haruka
Has Mumei said or done anything since the announcement? Even Gura retweeted Fauna's stream.
>>90644941>millieGod I hate this whole, but her "I Shut Up Now" asmr is pretty great
>>90636281The expansion in north america is specifically an expansion of merchandise. Hololive is transitioning to become a full time shilling operation. You'll see holo faces on candy bars soon
>>90644747Sane people don't like your cult grandpa.
>>90643808or we need to stop bootlicking shitty corpos
>>90644941>who>who>who>who>who>who
>>90644495because it’s bullshit and only double digit IQ retards fall for itexactly same as the “Vesper is fucking your oshi” thing except the hoshiyomi jannie is a sensitive little queer who won’t let anyone have fun
>>90645004>Hololive is transitioning
>>90643027See you never, trannyling.
>>90644766Hagchads not allowed to have good things.
>>90643811AI doesn't actually deduce answers the way we do. It just looks for statistically likely answers or something like that. It's really bad at anything it doesn't have existing data for.
>>90645004Sad the girls have to be excluded from that. I guess the greed goes hand in hand
>opening anything in california when you're a japanese companyand so the slow death spiral begins
>>90644993No one puts me to sleep like her(compliment)>>90645037A lot of vtubers that upload asmr regulary every week or multiple times per week. Did Fauna even do a single asmr this year?
>Ame comes out as a columbian>worked for Disney once upon a time>won an academy awardSo what kind of weird shit are we going to find out about Fauna after she graduates?
>>90645037You're just showing how much how an irrelevant cumrag your nene actually is, for you to not even know Patra even though she tips the sales on DLsite whenever she releases something is pure newfaggotry.
>>90637881I don't have that much faith in this considering kiara is the closest holoen has to FBK-tier corporate apologism
>>90645120Oh I'm sure they are getting a bit of it, but proportionately less.I saw the numbers thread pointing out that Holo revenues have increased 600% while the talent compensation only increased 200%
>https://youtube.com/shorts/SXoRK0nL96U?si=rDhKzTmvkP0vTRI7
>>90643808>We need EN girls that are idol goal oriented, don't mind working overtime and travel multiple times a year to Japan>Going to JapanNo, the talent along with the company will relocate to california forever...in due time
>>90645116>It's really bad at anything it doesn't have existing data for.So are we, we just don't realize how much context we take in before making a judgement.
>>90644742Ponder the aroma
>>90644830Honest question, who would need to leave before people start really believing shit needs to change
>>90645038No I mean what's the context of the shitpost, why is posting Suisei's picture enough to anger the jannies?
>>90645200>titclipIs that really what's protecting smiles?
The Sonyfication has begun
>>90645147she's been following the indie accounts for everyone that leaves as senzawa on twitter, would be a based spite move for her to leave since it'd be a massive blow to cover (especially outside of japan) and a pretty notable statement against their shift even more corporate recently. I kind of doubt it though since it's a bad business move to go to indie when she's getting paid tons to sit on her ass currently
>>90645140>new Cover overseas office in Florida
>>90619799>hard failed her opsecTbf, with a voice as recognizable as hers, she’d have failed eventually either way…
>>90645185Yeah that's what I meant, rising all boats, while allowing them to stay what they're doing and good at. But it's always more for them and less for talents.
>>90645364I'm sura gura would earn 10x if she went indie
>>90645320Only SIE and Sony Pictures are in Muttland
>>90645277Some schizo on sukikira predicted Fauna's graduation and said that micomet are the Elira and Millie of hololiveSuijannie deleted posts about it yesterday which resulted in a Streisand effect Now I will have to reset my router, hope you’re happy anon
>>90640846who the fuck doesn't clhate Austria? Bunch of subverted contrarian leeches. All the worst of Germany without good parts.
>>90645238Fubuki should be enough. But, Pekora, Subaru and Sora could cause it too.
>>90645364If she wanted to be spiteful, she'd make it a regular graduation and not an affiliated one
>>90645320What kind of nightmarish bananas will be there
>>90645379Suisei would NEVER allow a Cover office in such a shitty state. Mike agreed but didn't know what a state was.
>>90644844because its funny
>>90644830Damn, the exhololive workers union
>>90645443yeah, but then she would have to do work
>>90645238the only hits big enough that it'd cause a real issue would be jp cornerstones like marine, pekora, sora, fbk, etc. leaving; although I don't really see that on the horizon. Gura leaving is the biggest currently plausible graduation, it'd set holoen back HARD
>>90645443Her nostream deal is probably rather lucrative and keeps her from getting any ideas for the short-term anyway.
>>90640846>is that they hate Austria for being so small and insignificantIt's just the phantom pain from imperial times. "Used to be grand in past" countries all suffering from that.
>>90644844I mean Sui does give off massive stacy vibes, rrats aside.
>>90644742you shave your armpits so it doesn't smell that bad
>>90645233We're even worse, at least AI researchers clean their data before training with it. We just take in all the bullshit we get and assume it's true.
>>90644844Because the janny got mad and Suisei could do nothing wrong
>>90640846Austria caused devastation last century. Fuck them.
>>90645478>the Elira and Millie of hololiveI don't want this to be true
>>90641751>argues against magical thinking >espouses Hegel
So why is everyone pretending this lazy whore leaving is suddenly a big deal?
>>90645238Fubuki, Pekora, Korone, or Gura would probably shake shit up. Or two from the same recent generation (like 2 from ReGLOSS or Advent). Especially if they list management as the problem.
>>90645443the issue with that is that she'd have to work; even back when she was streaming as senzawa she was super lazy about streaming so I feel like her just taking the infinite free money without having to work is very plausible.>>90645519it's really a matter of how/when/if it happens, I guess; fauna's graduation was a super obvious spite move given that she didn't take affiliate, said the only issue was with management, etc. But I can see gura wanting to hold on to merch royalties and such as an affiliate rather than totally losing the easy income to make a statement like that.
>contract changes to demand 4x yearly visits to japan>also they will no longer pay for your flights, hotels, or amenities >strongly encouraged to move to japan or you are cut out of 90% of opportunities>if you do move to japan they will fuck up your work visa and you can't work there
>>90641751someone translate this nerdspeak to english please
>>90644537Was she really the only smart member ? Does anyone else even have a degree or something ?
>>90645238I think most people believe something needs to change, but people aren't ready to abandon hololive.
>>90645805>already attacking the talent Why are Holodrones like this?
>>90645850>>also they will no longer pay for your flights, hotels, or amenitiesWhy do they pay for Kiara, though? Is it favoritism?
>>90641751So is, for example, the person you're responding to. He's using feminist arguments about "women's spaces" to attack woke. This is simply how knowledge works, Hegel did not invent it but merely described it.
>>90645808fubuki is way too loyal to cover to leave easily, if she does that's an actual death knell
>>90645933Not like there's an alternative. If anything other corpos deliberately set themselves against Holo sensibilities
>>90645971>AlreadyShe's been a whore for a long time now
>>90645850>if you do move to japan they will fuck up your work visa and you can't work therewould be quite ironic after they fucked up Kiara's residence permit.
>>90645933It's unlikely things can be changed at this point. This is just how Hololive is going to be going forward. From Old Bioware to New Bioware before our eyes.
>>90645808Fubuki has said nothing about Fauna, she is loyal to Cover
>>90645805LMAO KEEP SUCKING THAT CORPORATE COCK YOU KEK
>>90646053It happened to Ina
>>90646008>He's using feminist arguments about "women's spaces" to attack wokenot really bro unless you think segregation of races is not racist
>>90645805Faggot
>>90646014I doubt she would too, but that's one that would actually get them to remove their heads from their collective asses. I wonder if she would leave if enough of her friends got shit on and graduate though.
>>90646054>From Old Bioware to New Bioware before our eyes.
>>90646084she definitely won't, the rest leaving are plausible but pretty improbable though
>>90645453and those both have way too much sway
>>90645703but the smell is the whole point
>>90646120Both Cover and Fauna can fuck off and die for all I care.
>>90644096To be fair, I'm pretty sure 99% of us WATCH them for video games and the no effort passive stuff. I don't know what the fuck they have to attend meetings or do paperwork for. And whether they hold concerts or put out music or music videos or whatever...that's totally on them. I would never go>Oh wow, I love this vtuber, she made a whole album of generic diva slop!No, I watch cute girls doing cute things. It's cool when they do other stuff, I'm happy FOR them, but the entire point of a vtuber is to be a streamer. I watch streams. I want streams. Anything else is just "neat."
>>90646201Not really. They don't run the main company.
>>90646126No idea what point you're trying to make. If you are throwing a hysterical fit about "men invading women's spaces" you are a feminist, or at least think like one.
>>90646001>Why do they pay for KiaraAnon, Kiara pays her own way to and fro. She loves Japan and she's a genuine weeaboo.
>>90646001the canyon shitter probably sucks mean D
>>90642320>There are whole movements who focus simply on negation and criticism just out of this belief. That all they have to do is criticize and destroy.>It's an actual fucking cognitohazard, an ideological weapon that destroys societies.That's called demagoguery and we got over it *checking the calendar* two and a half thousand years ago. How the fuck are we on base one again?
>>90646054I wouldn't say it's that far gone, the founder is still the CEO. Also we have no idea what layer of management is even responsible for the changes. That person or group of people could get fired and the changes could revert.
>>90645850Funny how other company pays for expenses like that and all idolshit is on demand only.
>>90646261>I would never go Oh wow, I love this vtuber, she made a whole album of generic diva slop!I would and I doI don’t watch Kanata or Towa but I love their musicYou’re enjoying hololive in the wrong ways and for the wrong reasons
So her Nendoroid is going to get canned, what a shame.Was looking forward to getting one too.
How about transferring all ENs currently living in Japan to JP, and then transferring the remaining ENs and their entire business to another company and abolishing EN?
>>90645887They are contrarians that believe everything will be better after they nag everyone else out of society to win all the arguments, except they only know how to nag and not much else
>>90646405FUCK
>>90646405Sad, her model is so cute.
>>90646362Why are you replying to chatgpt drivel?
>>90646362>How the fuck are we on base one again?As a part of an intentional subversive process. Yuri Bezmenov spoke the truth.
>>90646405>you wouldn't be able to put Fauna in a jar
>>90645379Georgia is mini Hollywood and Atlanta has an international airport and it's much cheaper.They didn't really try when picking California. What are they doing, coming here by boat?
>>90646405Man this sucks
>>90646084Again, not likely but someone like her leaving would get their attention. But again, the question wasn't who was likely to go next but who would actually cause them to get their shit together. If it was who is likely next, I'd go with Mumei after she's done with university. I just don't see any other JPs or IDs getting fed up enough to leave right now barring some ugly shit cropping up in the next couple of months.
Can kronii leave next please
>>90646374Middle management bureaucracy and bloat tends to never go away once you let it in. Biggest fucking drain on a growing company. They hardly contribute shit and always cause the most problems so they have something to fix to validate their salaries. Parasites.
>>90646188Remember when blizzard was good?It hurts a little
>>90645320>>90645140>there is already bad cali corpo artit's so over
>>90644749> I started learning JP to increase my options>see some morning show, tune in>she's talking about NES and GBA games>including the wizardry portKeep studying bro, it's worth of it. What does suck is that I don't get the NND memes and the ad references.
>>90646714no
>>90646718Repulsive
>>90646718
>>90643544Same? It's a fucking mystery. But popularity works that way. One coincidence led to another and a random boring girl became a vtubing messiah shining too bright to reasonably critique.
>>90645850Sounds like an elaborate plan to make the talents overly dependent on the company or some old bastard, I mean reliable investor and patron
>>90625708I do. I want her green and elegant again. Lemonleaf is more cutesy uwu soft spoken than the yapping queen that has a million running jokes at any one time with her chat.
>>90646718>>90646779Corporate Memphis somehow manages to be disgusting despite having such few details. How do you create an art style that provokes revulsion with such little artistic content in it?
>>90639758>>90639418If she did that the person getting NTRed would be her boyfriend.
>>90643544a
>>90643544shark teeth are powerful.
>>90643544The average human with access to the internet is a retard
Will this become the largest stickied thread?
>>90646898Such a drama sissy over some drawings.
do people that lose their oshis also drop hololive altogether?
>>90646261Video games streams don't make more merch
>>90645745It could be true, but not only is it unlikely, it has nothing to do with Fauna. The JPs forget the ENs' names half the time, there's no way they have any influence over them or know what they're doing.HOWEVER...now that you mention it, there is ONE thing that sticks out in my memory, and that's the GTA collab. I've actually been keeping track of HoloEN collab participation this year and Fauna's been very active, but only for EN-specific stuff. The only EN event she didn't join was the Haunted House VR, which had JPs and IDs in it, and I forget but I think she bailed on the sponsored race thing because the entire thing fell apart last second. She did not participate in Pekora's or ID's big events, and when fans asked why she wasn't participating in the GTA RP, she said it was due to time zones and she wished EN could have their own GTA RP event. It's possible this got back to MiComet, but more than that, it could be there's been some behind the scenes conversations between Fauna and management that didn't go so well relating to these cross-branch activities. We also know Fauna doesn't like traveling to Japan and she didn't even travel to New York for BD. It could be Cover has become stricter about these things. Or Fauna has and they refused to compromise.Regardless, her graduation window is easily the shortest we've seen. She wasn't planning to graduate in August. Something between early September and early November changed her mind.
>>90646779>>90646718
>>90643544She's funny and a great singer. You just weren't around or didn't get it when it was relevant.
>>90646977I am a sensitive little soul.
>>90643544You don't get it....
>>90643544Because you have shit test and are objectively wrong and Gura is provably the funniest, cutest, most charming, wittiest vtuber in the world when she's at the top of her game. You just never watched her streams in the golden age.
>>90646943No that spot's reserved for Gura's inevitable graduation
>>90646898Because it never tries nor delivers an artistic feeling or message, it's only purpose is to package abhorrent corporate values in a sweet coating
>>90646977It's always amusing to see wokeists try to occupy this manly position, when the text is right there on the pictures.
mori is going through it rn
>>90646982>en1Only cared for Kiara. Never watched gura. Dropped Ame after 1 boring fps stream, dropped Mori after a few streams. >en2Sana my oshi, Fauna was cool. rest was not interesting and Bae looks justa s retarded as Engage(same artist)>en beyond thatI do not care, I do not watch.>jpTowa and Okayu but only so much you can watch without understanding.
>>90647134How did you project "manly" as desired trait into that post? is it because you every waking moment you strive to be "manly" but cry about colourful shapes in your moms basement?
>>90646714never cared for blizzard but watching it happen to bungie etc was bad enough.its a cycle that cannot be broken because the reapers have all the money and power.
>>90647138Is this what rich people do? Nice shade of Faugreen at least
>>90646405Depends on how far in production is it. Stuff like the Rushia figma still got out despite her termination.
>>90647138If she's broken up about something, it's not Fauna. Mori views everyone in Hololive as work-friends and doesn't give a shit about their professional lives.
>people genuinely thought that the Japanese corporate world wouldn't push away the talent
>>90646718unless someone can show that the talents are leaving due to unqualified DEI managers, i'm going to assume these posts are astroturfing and detracting from the real actionable issues that cover needs to address about its management
>>90647212You literally called him a sissy you retard.I would say the woke aren't sending their best but pitifully it seems they actually are.
>>90645805It's just faggotlings samefagging.
>>90647005>Something between early September and early November changed her mind.Are there any upcoming events coming early next year that they might have wanted her to be part of? I'm coming up blank.
>>90647212You literally called him a sissy, Returd.
tldrMoral of story, don't go public?
>>90645805Gura leaving??!?
>>90647270The painting is fucking green you moron
>>90645805>lazy whoreHasn't she streamed the most out of all the pre-Advent ENs this year? I'm not NUMBERS, so I don't know this for sure, but I know that I actually watched Fauna this year and>Gura doesn't stream>Ame doesn't stream>people were complaining Bae doesn't stream>other anons pointed out Irys streams less>Mumei went to college>Kronii had surgery and is going to college>Ina disappeared and people keep doomposting her>no one cares about Kiara or MoriDid I forget someone? When I think of EN, I think of Advent, Justice and Fauna. Fauna was the 6th biggest participant in EnReco, she's had a ton of unarchived karaokes, she's been in every EN event except the haunted VR, she's hosted multiple RP streams, she was part of the GUN collab, she had a memorable April Fool's stream...yeah, HoloEN has become Calli, Fauna, Gigi, Cecilia, Bijou, FWMC and Nerissa's family for me.
>>90645238is this close?
I'll be honest. The amount of dedicated discord tranny haters is kind of shocking.
>>90647356M O N E Y
>>90646718>>90646779owari da
Corpos need to realize that they need to accommodate their top talents. Doesn't matter if they're being silly or demanding or irrational, they're the moneymaker so you need to cater to them to keep them.Since the tides are shufting from corpo to indie, you need to give them enough to stay.They're your lifeblood. Even if they're being unreasonable or petty, so what? If a top talent leaves you're fucked
>>90647145How is it possible to have such horrible taste
>>90647138>Oh fuck. I hope the bitch that's benefitting from the changes that made fauna leave is doing ok
So sick of the "something must be wrong at Hololive" narrative. This is all on Fauna. She made the decision to abandon the fans.
>>90647405>https://youtu.be/ULeDlxa3gyc?si=hrNcpS5HlIGxXbM_was it worth it, yagoo?
>>90647259We don't have a prototype pics yet, she's most likely gone...
>>90647362Move mori 1 or 2 tiers down
>>90647359She essentially signed a Best Wishes card, posted it online, then went back to work.
>>90647482No....>>90647492NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>90647476>abandon the fansFans would just follow her to her next account if she stays in Internet showbiz. All she did was quit a job.
>>90647362I'd put Biboo at Awakened Volcano since she literally just arrived in Japan to start looking for an apartment and she's unironically crazy about her job with only about a year of working. If she jumped right now, that would be really concerning.
>>90647138this person went to art school
>>90626232Filian can be fun to watch, even if her content is often slop…
>>90647510nah her leaving would be big, because there is no way she's going back to her mid music career when there is free money and clout coming in from hololive. It would too easy of a job to give up
>>90639148A girl like her would get 1000s of paypigs to finance her lavish life in Japan, only she doesn't want to take that easy way out.
>>90646718>Fauna let go>The inevitable Black vtuber will debut next yearits rover
>>90647362Move Mori 1 tier up
>>90647643You will sit your ass down and LISTEN
>>90645704>google>"nen types">get "People also ask: what are the six types of Nen?">click it>the answer's right thereChatGPT got this wrong. This. It got THIS wrong.>>90646392>You’re enjoying hololive in the wrong ways and for the wrong reasonsWho made Hololive popular?>Kanata, Towa, Suisei, Watame, Sora, Azkior>Pekora, Korone, Aqua, Coco, Rushia, FubukiEveryone knows the answer to this, anon, I know you can do it.>>90646991Gigi's EnReco merch sold out, which she got, for playing a video game.
>>90647431It's a middle ground though. A corpo require means structure and red tape. They do seem to properly support talents who align with their vision and have done a better job at hiring newbies who are already sold on that vision from the get go. Compared to Myth and Council who were basically just hired for streaming experience alone to get the EN side going. I do wonder how they're treating Gura though, if they fail to retain her then I think you might have a point.
>>90647492God I want to come in this prototype, truly a huge loss.
>>90647476hard to hear through the boot in your mouth
Why is everyone leaving, holy shit
>>90647620>"mori wouldn't do anything THAT stupid"Don't underestimate her lmao. Her leaving would cause an impact but its not unthinkable
>>90647798Ame is convincing them all behind scenes.
>>90647362I'd probably switch Bae and Kronii. Bae's a company girl and Kronii has a history of hating management. Plus Bae moved to Japan.
>>90647259It was a long time ago, but wasn't the nendo released way before her termination?
>>90647643oh no...
>>90647492Cute ru-chan
>>90644830>just followedThat's a really old follow. The only new follow is the girl with scoliosis
>>90647879>women ruining it for other womentale as old as time
>>90647215Bro, it was brutal as it came from every angleTo put it into perspective people cares so much for blizzard stuff that we paid to be shilled at blizzcon then thank them for the privilegeThere were books on the shit we just played and not only were they mostly accurate but considered good on their ownAfter broodwar, frozen throne and a game that let you get lost on the setting like WoW did people could only see positive things happeningThen cracks started to show, Ghost Cancelation, Always online StarCraft 2 the downward spiral of WoW writing to a point we have simps for fucking sylvanas being canon, the breast milk thief and all the company bullshit, Bungie fall from grace wasn't as horrible and disgusting as what happened with blizzard...just look at Diablo if you want to see the bottom of the barrel
>>90647817>inb4 she joins the trash taste retards
>>90647879kek >>90648065oh no
>>90647362Okayu's a bit of a wildcard due to her close relationship with Korone. If her exit was bad Korone would probably go with her.
>>90645443im sure she would not
>>90647798Contract renewel time. It used to be in July, but I guess it's November/December now.
1. American activist investor ruins JP company2. (((Said actor))) is setting it up for failure and short sellingRate theory
>>90641639Waiting to see how active Kronii's PL is lately. Nothing so far. But I'm willing to bet it'll flare up next month.
>>90629431ESL King? No. ESL GOD!
>>90645850cant believe they made aqua and chloe move to japan
>>90647798she clearly stated that it's management
>>90647362Ina and Polka have very devoted fansI may argue that at least one of them is above awakened volcano
>>90648183She already tweeted something last night.
>>90647362move miko up 5 tiers and korone up 10
>>90562666mori killed blue doritio with last mario party
>>906481593/10, remotely plausible but the (((actor))) in question doesn't have enough stock to try that with a high degree of success vs. the likelihood of typical Japanese stubborn turboautism (Boomer stockholder/manager edition) being a culprit yet again.
>>90647798It's the same as with nuclear war. Few big names graduating past years normalized graduations overall in industry. Now everyone with as little conflict is gonna graduate with little regret.
>>90647431To be fair, Hololive is the most demanded corpo. They can put an audition and get a tonne of applications in which at least 5 whores will be decent. And fags will jump into these whores and watch whatever they put out.At least as of now, Hololive is the one company that has real power in the market and can afford to let relatively low # talents go away without caring all that much.
>>90647365People crawl out of the woodwork to defend Corporate Memphis specifically, even though everyone in the public sphere, who isn't caught up in the cargo cult that produces it, hates it
>>90648294I'd awaken my volcano on Polka's tummy.
>>90648183Imagine if we see another one of these in the few months.
>>90648406Glad we are in agreement of Polka being Walking sexo
>>90644830they followed each other before they were corpo
>>906481593/108/10 if they suddenly get blackrock money
>>90647879based
>>90648159If Blackrock is behind this it will be the mother of all Rrats
>>90647879Why are Cubans so subversive?
>>90648183another leave before the end of the year would be crazy
it feels like Hololive died overnight
>>90647362Some deranged Takodachi would firebomb covers office if ina went against her will
>>90648406>on Polka's tummyNGMI. Breed all hags.
>>90645923It's less a degree thing but type of humor/wit and way of being entertaining, plus background knowledge about earlier periods of the Internet. There's definitely a generation gap sorta feeling between the first two and last two gens, despite having talents of similar age in both groups.
>>90629906Things weren't as corporate back then. Or lucrative. They had fewer rules and graduating meant less.>>90628167Miko just watches a ton of anime. She's gone beyond chuuni and has become an actual anime character. I watched her one time quote an isekai, Hunter x Hunter and One Piece all in like 30 seconds. It was a Minecraft stream.
>>90648684People forget Japan used to have fire bomb rioting in 60s About US Occupation and Treaty debates.
>>90648056I have a rough idea(because a friend tried to get me into star craft).another friend was a big blizzard fan back in the day.the lesson you can take from this is that that good things dont last esp once big money is involved.the cycle always repeats(respawn)but it gets easier to spot the signs.
>>90616608>Ina not saying a thing>isn't she not allowed to because she's in japan without a work visaI thought they fixed that. She was at Gigi's birthday party?
>>90648600it's the guerilla fighter genes
>>90648684all me
>>90648684TAKOS NO
>>90648684>Some deranged Takodachi would firebomb covers office if ina went against her willShe doesn't need a molotov.
>>90646084She did tweet about it on her sub-account, but it was just a statement about wishing her good luck for her future activities. There's nothing else for her to say, they never even interacted really.
>>90647879>it's June 2024>introducing CloverLive, a new EN vtubing company. First wave: dobby, senzawa, lemonleaf, dottovu
>No work visaDon't you literally need one from your employer to even get a job in Japan?
>>90648302The recent tweets are basically a nothingburger atm, unless it's some pretty relevant retweets and follows which they aren't.
So who in Hololive is going to have their Last Cup of Coffee? Place your bets!
>>90648964Yes that is the joke. Cover is bad company defended by crazy monkeys.
>>90647431Anon check the stock price, it went up after the announcement, Investors do not care about anything but money
>>90647817No job means no guarantees, which would mean she has to leave japanno chance she'll ever do that lol
>>90648612if someone threatened to leave right now cover would probably pay them a bonus to stay on for another month
>>90646982Won't lie, unless EN's 5th gen blows it out of the water, I don't have a lot keeping me here.With myth, Ame's gone, Gura and Ina are basically gone, Calli is a mixed bag for me, and Kiara's never once appealed to me.Only member of Council I'll be following now is Bae now that Fauna's hanging up her twigs, don't care for Kronii, Irys has always been the odd man out due to her mismatching design, and a I routinely forget Mumei's even a thing.Advent's fine, although I don't think Shiori is long for this world, Biboo and Bau Bau seem in it for the long run, while Nerissa has a great design but no personality and relys on collabs to stay afloat.And Justice...I can't listen to a single member of this gen, AWFUL accents that completely ruin any escapism, Liz has blatantly fake posh accent, Raora sounds like someones grandmother from the old country, Cici is just plain boring, and Gigi's the worst of all of them no way to pretend she's anything but someones cringy wine aunt with that awful voice.
>>90648956NTA but why would jannies delete this?
>>90648992Exactly, Kronii is fine with Fauna leaving so her behavior hasn't changed.This isn't a Sana situation (cried for 3 days) or Ame blubbering mess on her final stream.
>>90648964That's how it works in most countries, yes.Have you never applied to a job and had to check a box "are you legally allowed to work"? It's asking if you're a citizen or you have a work visa.
>>90648964>>90649163Literally Chinese person working in Japan picking strawberry can easily get JP work visa.Maybe Hololive managers were all just simps and not qualified to do their jobs? Just DMing talents on personal time.
>>90628651>sadistic mommy fauna, who punishes you for being a bad boy…Hnnnnnng…
>>90649231>refuses to leave japan>refuses to learn japanese kakkoi...
>>90649281you know why
>>90648496Gura, Ina, Mumei, Ayame, Shion, Flare, Nerissa, Haachama, Kronii, IRyS, Matuli, Mio, Nenechi, Kanade and most iDs.Truly a good chunk are likely to leave for one reason or another.
>>90649277Don't know Shiori that well but what makes her having a foot out the door?
>>90647362I'd move Kiara to 7th trumpet because as a die-in-the-wolves EU idol even before hololive. If she leaves then something will have gone irreversibly wrong. She is more of a bellweather than Fubuki is.
>>90647005I imagine the whole 'freedom to do stuff optionally' comes with a bit of an asterisk. Skip an event every so often? No biggieBut if Fauna was skipping event after event after event, it was likely beginning to piss off some of management and they turned the screws on her and the result was this graduation.
>>90630188Like anything, it has pros and cons. The benefits of social darwinism is that it extols competence, and only competent people can meaningfully change the world. That said, it’s silly to believe that our current elites are actual meritocrats, or that there isn’t any talent among the masses.
>>90649688No idea how real it is but she came with an indie chip on her shoulder so it wouldn't surprise me
>>90649722This her back up plan is JAVLiterally BACK TO THE WALL
>>90649277>I don't think Shiori is long for this worldWhy do people keep saying this? She's the one in the space the longest. She stuck through it all, even worst bullshit then cover. Yet she's still hereFauna showed the least signs up until 2 weeks ago, and she's going. Ame was on and off for months.
>>90649722yeah,she is similar to her fair-I mean ghost maid friend.
>>90649800>BACK TO THE WALLKiara will take the Black.
>>90649217'Sell the news' is a strategy they're using. I'm specifically citing rocket launches but every time there is a successful rocket launch people sell that companies stock. When they're struggling (low) is when people buy.Cover is higher than Nijisanji yes but people aren't buying high, they're buying low.
>>90630508Based, and Michels’ Iron Law of Oligarchy-pilled and Hobbes-pilled.
>>90649800>Kiara hag javGod please yes.
>>90649800>This her back up plan is JAVStop it anon, I can only get so erect
>>90649597Ayame ain't leaving no matter how hard you seethe
>>90562666I know more about saplings than Fauna herself.
>>90649277Wow, that's crazy. I feel the exact opposite. Myth and Promise are whatever to me. I considered HoloEN a forgettable branch before Advent, I only ever made posts about HoloJP. How much do Myth and Promise stream, besides the wigger and Fauna?
>>90650054Retard
>>90649800If the cake starts doing JAV I unironically may start supporting her for once, then start sending her supportive messages that lowkey are just a ploy to make her feel like shit and maker her think she was just a dirty woman whose place was porn in the end.
>>90649217I know investors are retarded so they don't understand the businessbut they lost an asset that's worth tens of thousands of dollars a year. they literally can't do anything new with the character. even if they think idolshit works without streaming to build the brand, they still have to hire someone new and train them and build an entirely new brand - sunk costs that won't go to their own pockets.If the shareholder logic is "spend our money on ONLY the best ROI!" how is taking a baseball bat to existing hardware a decision they support?
>>90650082Seething? I just think she's likely to take this new affiliate deal, less work but still keeps the passive income while Cover keeps one of their best models.
>>90650060She'll lewdtube with Mel.
>>90650103Saplings are so fun. Some of my alltime favourite group of people to milk.
Okay lets be honest here, how many suicides will this result? Why can't this bitch be more considerate and do a "long vacation" or something?
>>90650304I never watched her so all my knowledge about her comes from them which just makes her seem like a whore.
>>90650477She is
>>90639247>>90639474What the fuck are these lies lmao>>90639653Do your reps.
>>90650454Saplings aren't people so 0.
>>90649277>unless EN's 5th gen blows it out of the waterwhat do you think EN5 needs to give a boost to Holo? I think Hololive did benefit from getting the Advent girls, but from Justice the girls are the ones being benefited more than the corpo itself.
Protip: Did you know you can change your votes for the Vtuber awards after you're submitted, or skip a category entirely? Just make your changes and submit at the bottom!https://www.thevtuberawards.com/votepic unrelated
>>90650652science agrees
>>90649800>her back up plan is JAVThis is a genuine positive for everyone involved.
>>90650806Retard
>>90650826But not for Kiara. Unlocked Bad ENDING. Japanese ikemen performer puts on clothes, leaving set in Shinjuku, whisper to camera man calling her a whore and laughing.Then Kiara having flashbacks to fun times in Hololive collabs while cum still dripping out of her.
>>90644863she's not
Should've Hololive just started the REAL Holo Gamers division and send all the out of shape introverted neets who mostly wanted to just stream games there and give them a different deal?
>>90644844She's an actual stacy.
>>90651131I cum
>>90651131Ugh I'm going to have to put in another application, even after this, if I want to try to change the future to something I prefer aren't I?God damn it Cover.
>>90633049Woah, someone’s been reading Spengler… Also, a lot of people want to keep making more, even after they’ve become rich, to build generational wealth, and pass it on to their posterity…
>>90651131>>90650826That's pretty fucking hothttps://files.catbox.moe/km07r8.jpg
Who am I supposed to watch now. I just got into this whole thing...
>>90645320>>90646718China doesn't seem bad now, doesn't it?
>>90651324Kiara Humiliation ritual On JR Public train
>>90650826So has Kiara taken advantage of Cover's dental benefits yet?
>>90645320>>90646718>>90646779It's shit like this why we have Justice isn't it...
>>90651592I spit out my coffee lol
>>90649277>Raora sounds like someones grandmother from the old countryThat's what makes her great
>>90651592wonky teeth is Japanese beauty
>>90651834There was a trend 10 or so years ago where japanese women were purposefully fucking up their teeth so they'd get overtly pronounced canines because it was seen as moe, the so called Yaeba trend.
>>90651834>wonky teeth is Japanese beautySo that's why she's a weeb.
>>90651834Only if it's fang like my bf, Baji from Tokyo Revengers.
>>90635601It just breaks kayfabe… But yeah, shouldn’t have been a big deal…
No but seriously, I'd positively support Kiara's JAV ventures.
So do you think her graduation announcement will cause her to reach 1million subs before Jan 3rd?
alright janjans time to unpin this shit
>Been mourning Fauna and looking like metaphorically licked a lemon all day>Now I have the irresistible urge to take Kiara to an American dentist>Imagining Kiara with braces>Gives imagination Kiara a lemon so I can just go back to mourning in peace>make myself laugh
>>90652304It's guaranteed.
>>90652288*old Kiara fans cheer her on for creampie WR attempt*As for me, I'd want her to go the YouTuber route and just get husband in Japan and show pregnancy videos. Like female Pewdiepie.
>>90632844London and Paris are shitholes today thoughbeit
So, the whole mess has been confirmed to have nothing to do with idol activities and trip to Japan. I kind of hate this bitch, she was hated by her previous fan base after she ended her past life, and I doubt she cares about the character of Fauna.
>>90652385>>90652304She should give her 1 million sub wish to Cecilia, the new Green Woman of Hololive.
>>90651131>Kiara wears rhythm costume to shoot JAV>She cried in the taxi after it was overI have boner now
>>90649217Japanese investor's likely don't even realize what is happening. If they think a Nijisanji situation is occurring on the EN side, then you'll see the line start going down.
>>90651834Prominent canines are always kino, you don't have to be Japanese for that
>Mio and Miko have expressed concerns about management in the past>clarify that they have never been overworked due to the rrats making the rounds>UHH AKSHULLY THEY ARE BOOTLICKERSwhen will the dramasisters go away?
>>90652656Problem is that Kiara's teeth aren't 'wonky', they're fucked up.
he won
>Fauna ded>Ame dedWho's next ENsisters? Will they go indie, or worse, to Vshoujo, and slut things up without any suits breathing down their neck? (they will).KEK enjoy your sloppy seconds
>>90652628When did the 1 green woman curse truly start?
>>90637867That would be read as “sálpigx”, no?
>>90651961Basically, all human anime girls you see have fangs like this are Yaeba
>>90637881I'm not giving Kiara $5 to tell me what I already know.
>>90652632>Kiara has flash back to bullying in Austria HS>"OMG Helga, why is Kiara learning fluent Japanese? I bet Kiara is going fail at being a Idol in Japan and resort to starring in JAV porn, OMG I think she heard me lolol"
>>906179425 years would be nearly the entire history of vtubing.Time works different here.
>>90652827VShojo is a dead meme at this point. Doki, Mint, and Dooby have shown that if you're smart and at least somewhat entertaining you can make it as a reincarnated indie.
>>90562666She has always hated her big booba'd model. I guess she reached her limits.
>>90652827>go to VshoujoWhat's wrong with that
>>90652596i posted this.No one even refutes me?
>>90638308Biboo is moving to Japan because she loves the how convenient it is for introverts and she loves the culture and all the things she can buy that we don't have here. Plus Japan is an actual first world country unlike the USA.
https://files.catbox.moe/k0w9t3.mp3 https://files.catbox.moe/fruoxu.mp3 https://files.catbox.moe/basedqtt.mp3 haha
Okay, hear me out.
>>90653222Stroking
>>90652763Her teeth looked better in the recent birthday stream, I guess.
>>90653154Well, I mean, she put the Fauna doll down permanently. She might feel nostalgia for it but not much else. After all, unless you look in a mirror you never see yourself, it's not unreasonable to think she never saw Fauna (character) beyond being an internet toy.
Can Kiara actually survive without hololive? Some of you guys are making it out like she won't be able to last a week without having to resort to JAV to make ends meet.
>>90653216>members moving to Japan are bootlicking weeb company drones>members staying put don't really care for Japanese culture and keep getting shit from managementMakes you wonder
>>90651834There's "wonky" and then there's...
>>90653410I survive on my 40 week wagie retail job. She would be fine. The real question is would Kiara's appetite for the spotlight be sated and allow her to retire to her mental shire or would she be the next Dolly Pardon
I'm gonna miss seeing the anti-vegan schizos seethe for hours even when she rarely ever mentioned it.
Why do you guys make it sound like Kiara can't continue being an idol if she leaves Hololive?
>>90653583Because she's a glorified cosplayer and even she knows it.
>>90653569Kiara also expects her bf to be Fuji Kaze tier. Unrealistic expectations are never good.
>>90638607Well sure, but all it really takes for that to be true is Dunbar’s Number…
>>90643544someone post the vacuum cleaner stream
>>90653583She's old and she's a gaijin. Heck, didn't you see the current trend of real JP idols joining Holo just because they want to stay relevant?
>>90653225Mumei's next to graduate? Is she going to be so pissed off that she'll burn bridges?
>>90653733Yeah I graduated high school before that lad finished kindergarten but I'd try singing if it made her happy as opposed to giving them a headache.
>>90653410>>90653583She's a failed idol who found a company that lets her be a shitty idol without ever being able to failWithout Holo she might as well just whore it out to stay relevant since that's what she wants.
>>90653410If she was able to have a job that gave her livable income and allowed her to vacation a few times a year before hololive, then she should be fine in the future Not counting the money made on the youtube channel, and apparently a ton of KFP donate directly to the RM instead of through holo. I doubt she would go indie since I feel like she would quit vtubing as a whole if she left, but if she did go indie, then she still has quite a few different resources to work off of, and quite a few indies big and small who like her, so she could probably make something work. She'll be fine, the "they know they cant survive without hololive" angle is just a cope over retards not being able to spam about how specific holo members are totally going to graduate within the next 1-2 years. That angle would probably work for some holos before they joined hololive, but pretty much every holo who stays in the company for more than a year has a secure future, even in they end up leaving.
>>90648496Ask suisei and miko
>>90653131There are some homosexual individuals who aren't that thrilled about the potential offcollab with Melody
I secretly licked Kiara's teeth while I was tongue-kissing her, and her face turned red immediately. She is such a cute girl
>>90653996Failed idols will do anything to remain relevant. Just look at FWMC.
>>90619799Aqua's graduation and redebut are the #1 and #3 highest CCV vtuber streams of all time.
>>90653581If someone tells you they are a pedo who has sex with kids one time you're never going to forget it. Same thing.
>>90653996Before joining holo she had a regular job with friends and infrequently uploaded to youtube and posted to twitter while doing cosplaying stuff on the side. If she left, why would that change? Why would she suddenly become a JAV actress?
>>90637881>start looking elsewhereuhhhh
>>90643544cunny model and cunny voice
>>90654277what's your point? is a one time even supposed to mean anything?
>>90646847Investors probably saw the freedom EN had and thought it was a shamefur dispray on both sides
>>90654339She's gotten a taste of the good life and she's not going back, no matter how many tiny blurry dicks she has to suck on camera with her fucked up teeth.
>Fauna graduation sticky turns into thread talking/arguing about Kiara and her RM
>>90620283These are the same two dogs who abandoned their entire EN audience to move to Japan and stream JP hours. Here for us my ass.
>>90643544Korone, Pekora and Miko only speak in Japanese and not many people speak Japanese outside JapanMeanwhile Gura speaks English and everyone and their grandmother speaks English however broken it may be
>>90646053Can Kiara move to Japan again?
>>90654482ME ME ME
Why did they do it?
>>90643324that's a man
>>90654482Fauna is boring there's only so much you can say about her
>>90654393based cunnychad
>>90643137At least it will have a fixed schedule.
>>90654482If retards realize that they can talk about Kiara's RM and not get banned, then there's a 90% chance they're just going to flood the thread with that sort of discussion since there's really no other place for Kiara's schizos to sperg out about her RM anymore.
>>90653222>ai sloppaskippa
>>90643544She panders hard to a certain subset of the fandom
>>90653402It's honestly really fucked up.Maybe I am a real vtuber fan, the FAUNA character i crush is the woman with green hair and big boobs, and the soul behind the warm voice. Both are indispensable.
>>90654595Not if her stalker is still there
>90654491>5 EN streams per week at EN hours>1-2 JP streams per month at JP hoursget new material, sister. this one's getting boring
I don't follow corpo drama, why are there so many holo graduations?Hololive doesn't have a black company reputation, as far as i know.
>>90654526>not many people speak Japanese outside JapanThey almost made SEA and China speak Japanese but they failed
>>90620971All I can say at this point is that they at least haven't tried to get anyone to off themselves yet, but Nijsanji and Wactor really shouldn't be allowed to set the bar.
You fags are doomposting about how hololive is over in the same way that democrats were doomposting about how they will never recover from this election
>>90650771Brainrot zoomers willing to fail fantastically to carve out their identity.
>>90654475Oh, I should've realized that you were a schizo and not actually looking for genuine discussion, my bad.
Why do people think Kiara is graduating now?
>>90654761Cover went public. That really should explain everything.
>>90654795shut the fuck up
>>90654795both things are true, but not as you think
>>90654795oh they'll recover but they definitely won't be the same
>>90654761Holofans have been wishing vtubers to leave black company, and their wish came true
>>90645887They’re malcontents, who seek to affect change in the world, not by solving conflicts, but by encouraging them, in the hope that those conflicts will present their side with an opportunity to come out on top.
Shadow must feel so vindicated rn
how long will I have to wait for her to redebut?
>>90654795I knew this board was just /pol/ wearing an anime girl wig.
>>90647631Isn’t she an actual lesbo irl?
This marks a turning point for HoloEN. It's a downhill slide from here
>>90654926>Shadowthe hedgehog?
>>90638005The inauthenticity doesn’t really bother me much but I’m someone who enjoys the keyfabe and lore side of vtubers. Personally I’d rather have someone be very clearly playing a character compared to someone who seems authentic because when it comes to entertainers there really is no true authenticity. With someone playing a character I know I’m being deceived and there’s transparency in that fact whereas with someone that comes off as authentic it’s much more of a grey area
>>90644812too much koreans in holo
>>90654976Sometimes we're /pw/ too.
>>90654601I love this brown meme
Got to love how uppity sisters got because of the recent graduationsI'm sure it helps them forget how everyone worth a damn already left NijiEN and everyone left are basically small corpos who barely streamBut by all means, keep celebrating that a few Holos who barely even streamed left the company. Cover is doomed lmao
>>90654976vtubers are CHUD country
>>90639418And for a lot of agency talents, their chemistry with their genmates adds a lot of appeal…
Americans often laugh at British people's teeth, and Japanese women are notorious for their crooked teeth. All the zoomers with braces I saw on tiktok were from the UK without exception.Is this a common trait among islanders?
BEHEAD MARXISTS, TORTURE MARXISTS, VIOLATE MARXIST WOMEN
>>90640857It's literally the opposite. 2nd wave feminists were much more puritanical, anti-porn, anti-prostitution, some basically anti-sex. This strain is still around as radfems, but they are a contrarian group who dislike "woke" feminism, especially trans women. So much queer stuff is adjacent to sexual libertinism when wokness went in that direction, something had to give.
>>90654795Isn't that the only reason to come here?If watching schizos doompost about chuubas was so bad, it shouldn't be so fucking funny
>>90654737what fandom
>>90655382gossiping is literally a low IQ hobby
>>90639336When Ame left it hit hard, and I have to say, it made me realise I'd been living my life on autopilot since the coof, and hadn't been appreciating the people in my life as much as I perhaps should.I also decided to try and catch more streams and vods of my favourite chuuubas, of which Fauna was one. This news was a bit of a shock too, I'd been enjoying her activity lately and was hoping to get at least another year enjoying her company.I guess I'm still at the "anger" phase. Say what you will about Japanese corporate culture and management but eventually when it comes to unhappy talents leaving the buck will stop with someone and I hope they're made to dogeza in the fucking gutter before going on a solo hike through the Sudoku forest. Yes I am that mad right now.
>>90655408the same fandom that loves laplus and shion
>>90643808we need more Latina girl to join EN
Chloe already forgoten...
>>90655560What fandom is that
>>90655662Who?
>>90655662who?
Who are the current members of the HoloRebels faction? Out of EN I can only think of Mumei and Kronii.
>>90655549It's not just Fauna that's leaving. More will follow. It's an open secret that Mumei and Gura are on their way out. But we've also been getting hints that Irys and Bae might be coming next.
>>90655726>>>/v/hoi4
>>90654892Based and true
>>90639551She did follow Bernie on twitter back in 2020, when she was just doing ASMR as lemonleaf
>>90653122Based
>>90640922I didn’t know lefties hate Shondo, but I’m far-right, and I adore Shondo…
>>90655772post leaked emails
>>90629035>>90628969Orly?https://www.youtube.com/@LemonLeafASMR/videos
>>90655960Bernie is basically the only good US politician in the last several election cycles
>>90655683I'm not going to get a 3 day vacation because of (you). Go lurk more.
>>90655549ame left was that era was over, the Gura/Myth.Fauna is more special i was on the council eraLike Kronii till that incident Fauna and Mumei of course they were special.now is just sadness all 3 are all missingit's just sad
>>90655772Gura following all the indie/pl accounts as senzawa seems like a sign honestly
Publicly traded companies are bad?Jap management is bad?Say it ain't so! I never would have guessed!
>>90653410Realistically every EN at this point would be able to survive in life without hololive at this point. Even before hololive most of them were surviving decently or perfectly fine, including ones like Mori, Ame, and Kiara, who were the most common candidates for "they know they can't survive without hololive" despite the fact that they did just that. They would all also probably be able to be indies if they wanted to aswell since they would have all of their cover money and equipment to get started aswell as the connections they made throughout their time in hololive and if the previous graduations are anything to go by, not only do they NOT lose a significant chunk of their audience, but they also keep pretty much all of their connections they made. Anybody who thinks otherwise is just coping and desperate for a shitposting angle.
>>90656252Best case scenario mom jumps ship too and they just collab as indies I guess
>>90656227People that like cute and funny girls.
>>90656184True, it's just that it confirms she is probably a leftist.
Fauna in one year, if she decides to go full indie
>>90656227What could possibly get you banned?
>>90656312I feel like the people who act as if cover is some sort of necessary force to keep the talents productive, entertaining, well-fed, etc. are just high off of brand loyalty at this point
>>90655772There's no way Bae or Irys would leave, the current direction of the company is exactly what they want to do. Bae literally moved there to do it. Even their canned responses to Fauna are unsympathetic since they literally can't understand why anyone would give up this perfect career.
>>90656427They do at least keep the talent from running their mouths about shit that'll just get them in trouble. Like political statements.
>>90656490>Fauna's two best pals besides mumei>they HATE her nowIt's over, the joy is gone.
>>90656379In one year Indie Fauna will still have a fanbase of 8000 CCV. No one needs you anymore, corpodrone.
i feel demoralized
>>90656490Irys other account just got bluecheck verified and started tweeting. Odd thing to do for a dead account.
What are the chances of Cover responding to the back to back graduations & negative PR with easing up and Fauna reverses her graduation decision?
>>90656312>including ones like Mori, Ame, and Kiara, who were the most common candidates for "they know they can't survive without hololive"It's funny that Ame is on that list, knowing what we know now.But I guess "sound designer" is a hard thing to get experience with in hollywood
It’s the fucking corpsEverything went to shit since Blackrock got involved
>>90656606Multiple talents across JP, EN, and ID have talked about political stuff. I just don't think they care as long as it's nothing that could be considered hyper political leaning to either side. Even then, you have some of the holostars who have outright promoted lgbt/tranny shit on stream with zero issues.
>>90656674You are stupid. Fauna is enneagram 9, she is not meant for freelancing. I love her and I FUCKING DON'T WANT HER GONE. She needs corpo's umbrella
>>90656792None, it's over
>>90656792>and Fauna reverses her graduation decisionHer graduation was solely a spite play against management when being affiliate instead is on the table, she isn’t going back. Big corpos like this also tend to never learn their lesson but we’ll see
>>90656490Agreed, what was Bae's backup? Kindergarten teacher or something? She made it to Japan, and she gets to dance professionally, she's not giving that up.
>>90656752IRyS has said many times recently that she is happy where she is. You would know this if you watched her streams.
I hope Trump can manage to destroy Blackrock. Hololive went down to drain the moment they showed up
>>90656888You’re right she really seems set up to struggle as an indie. Can I get some of cover’s boot too? I’ve heard it’s delicious
>>90656855Fucking Arasaka, choom. Straight up gonk shit.
>>90656855>>90657030They own 2-3% and they are an investment company you dumb /v/ morons.
>>90648388That's true but then you get middling talents. People wouldn't watch Hololive if it was just Chocos and Elizabeths. They come for Gura and Pekora, because they're superbly talented.
>>90657071Pollards all have room temp iq it can’t be helped
>>90656792What's the chance of a pig flying into Tokyo Tower and bringing it down?
>>90656839The specific job that she talked about gets payed peanuts, on top of the fact that alot of the stuff she did work for was kind of rated really low. Hollywood only really gives out the big/decent payments to people like the producers and IRL actors. Take the Sonic movie for example, some of the side-character human actors were getting payed more money than the voice actor for Sonic himself was.
>>90655726Before she graduated, Aqua named Suisei as her successor as the leader of Hololive Resistance (directly named after Nijisanji's crypto-unionization effort).
>>90656894Pain.
>>90657030how much cover stock does blackrock own?
>>90656888Corpocuck melty.
>>90657168Aqua was never very smart.
>>90656855>>90657069
>>90657062wtf she was at like 60k when i checked yesterday
>not a cult btw
>>90657062Yeah, subscriber count really shows how well she'll be able to handle collabs, partnership, etc.I am not bootlicker, I like Doki, I like Matara, I like Holomems. But Fauna will not be safe outside corpo (not Holo, in general), you moron
>>90657071Nobody knows how much investment they have made and with what conditions though.
>>90657062I mean if we compare her green almost a million subs, to her loli 200k, it does look like she's struggling >Can I get some of cover’s boot too?only if you post your Fauna membership, sister
>>90657278ANYBODY who fumbles a re/debut with over 200,000 subs deserves to be a failure. If she's not successful as an indie it's 100% on her.
>>90657443she started yesterday with about 20k subs
>>90657405Why do you think this? She's not retarded I'm sure she'll figure something out.
>>90657401If even a lazy fuck like Kronii feels no desire to leave hololive then it's simply not that bad.Fauna is just a lazy cunt who didn't want to deal with constant JP trips and thirsts for le indie bag and being able to do twitch reactslop."I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol" my fucking ass.
>>90646898It's meant to be dehumanizing
>>90657443lemonleaf doesn't look like a loli. am i mistaken?
>>90638308>here fauna laid it flat-out that management alone is specifically why she is leaving. can't get much more clear than that.That's less a "why she's leaving" and more a "who to blame". "Issues with management" could mean just about anything, save the few things she eliminated, such as the idol stuff or streaming requirements.Could be contract issues, required visits to Japan, sexual harassment, just about anything really.
>>90657069https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5ThZIXGVRk
>>90657443she's just going to get more before the actual graduation in january
Transcript of Kiara's talk >>90656541
>>90657562https://www.crystalknows.com/enneagram/type-9It is not full personality portrait, but it's the best tool I have. And my intuition tells me it is not good idea for her to go indie. I want her to be fucking beeg and relevant
>>90646718yeah, I've always been suspicious of cover's popularity, expecting it to be some cia psyop like mr beast, asmongold, night media etc, now I feel pretty convinced
>>90657709>>90657262
>>90651750What's wrong with Justice?
>>90633049Greedy jews aren't White, you Vile Shlomo.
>>90657562If she was enneagram 3, 8, 7 or at least 1 or 2, indie might have worked
>>90658081>enneagramYou're too young to be posting here.
>>90657773Let me get this straight... there's so many managerial mishaps for everybody dating back years that you can't even begin to pinpoint the actual cause, it might even be multiple managerial "disagreements" unresolved and just accumulating together. I get what she's trying to say but didn't she just shit on the company harder than Fauna?
>>90658209You can joke, but I am 95% sure that Fauna will not succeed as an indie
>form shell company filled with people loyal to you>sell to shell company, run it unofficially as a 'consultant'.>continue without shareholder scum interference
>>90636423>that's like saying a car is a nice statue and you like sitting by it in the driveway and thus cars are not for drivingIt's more like saying owning a car (a necessity in many developed nations) does not make you a car enthusiast, which is true.Vtubing on paper encompasses a lot of genres and styles of content, and it's only inherently parasocial in the same way any kind of one way interaction is like watching a movie or even just the news. People can engage with it whatever way they want, and I'm with that in anon in the sense I never had any assumption these were my friends/lovers/whatever. They're a form of entertainment. Fauna, Ironmouse, Neuro, Bettel, LordAethelstan, Vinesauce, Jerma, Northerlion, Oneyplay; I watch all of these people and channels for the same reason; they entertain me. And I would imagine a good chunk of the fanbase of any vtuber that isn't explicitly sexual is the same way.
I'm just surprised it wasnt Kronii honestly.She had to HOUND management for a month to even get a singular (You) off of them.Like jesus dude, how terrible. Imagine not being able to do your fucking job, because someone who gets paid more than you doesnt want to do THEIRS
>>90658226It's called working in a japanese company. Half the issues we've even know about for years, it's just never caused graduations before. So because of this sudden spam everyone got tricked into believing there most be some NEW horrible issue that is even WORSE than all the other things they've been dealing with the whole time. When in reality it's just the same old and the quitters simply got tired of it.And it's obvious they are now confident that they can be successful indies and rake in money without corpo cuts, when before they probably thought that's impossible or too risky. That's the REAL main driver here.
>>90562666Why is this sticky up for so long? Fauna doesn't even have 1 million subs she's not that relevant
>>90658602Containment thread. Lightning rod for shitposting.
>>90658602Fauna mogs your oshi and it's not even funny
>>90632059I only watched the nijiGTA, how did the holoGTA go? The nijiGTA went well because Kanae spent a lot of time on STGR even doing behind the scenes balancing stuff with the admins so he could fine tune the game so it fit the people who played, and Hoshikawa was handling community management stuff. He was the one who made the drug cartel on STGR too and the drug cartel was the most popular storyline in nijiGTA. I don't really remember hololive members spending a lot of time with GTA and other than the funny part about not allowing males on the server I didn't really hear anything about it. So I expected that it just went by without much buzz or anything.
>>90658271she will do better than 99% of indies out there
>>90658602the thread has some really good discussion from what I've seen
>>90658700It is not enough. I want her to be doki/shylily league
>>90658807the 2k viewers league?
Why do people complain when they graduate but, not when they not stream for literally a year long
>>90658408Managers are definitely not getting paid more than talents.
>>90658950In terms of subscribers. I just don't want her to lose relevancy. I want her being able to collab with big fishes and participate in big events. And I want her to be happy
Fauna is actually a spiteful punk bitch for citing "disagreements with management" and leaving it at that. She probably cannot legally say more but she should just have not said anything at all rather than be a spiteful cunt on her way out. It's disrespectful to the girls who actually appreciate what Hololive is doing for them and who are enjoying themselves.
>>90642330>Inaif she's even still around
>>90642087>bskyLel
>>90659091Prude blue woman fingers DeepL'd this.
>>90659090she should throw up a big stink then about how much she was bullied or whatever, so she gets a bunch of virtue signaling faggots inviting her to events, just some generic vtuber who graduated from a company and went indie in quiet is a dime a dozen
I'm going to be honest. I did not think "I want Hololive to be popular in America" would be a fucking monkey's paw. I really didn't.
>>90659091Calm down Kronii
>>90659216...or join other corpo
>>90657648>you can't draw people in abstract and geometric ways because... you just can't okay!!!! it's all part of a plot to destroy our heckin traditions!!!!
>>90657278she was 30k before the announcement stream.
I'm going to miss making saplings seethe. I really am. Are there any other good fanbases like them to target?
>>90659492Ruffians. They always deserve it.
>>90658540>And it's obvious they are now confident that they can be successful indies and rake in money without corpo cuts, when before they probably thought that's impossible or too risky. That's the REAL main driver here.>Cover is so back! It's not that bad! Oh wait Fauna is still graduating, our miss let me stay here girl is still leaving due to how incompetent top management are to notice>There have been issues for yearsShould have been fixed and not accepted as normal, this kind of things piles up especially for those who should be treated better in a agency whose job is to manage talents.
>>90657278Anyone can subscribe the real measurement is how many will actually bother to tune in and watch for the long run.
>>90657062Lemonleaf is actual shit though. Enthusiastic unashamed male collabs already exist on her track record. Don't make me tap the sign.
>>90656379She was indie long before fucking corpofags. Lemonleaf practically invented waifu asmr alongside shondo. She didn't need a corpo to get her a 100k subs.
I can't tell what's schizo conspiracy theories and what are educated guesses anymore. Cover went public and Fauna left because it meant the company was going to become woke/marxist?She was made to graduate by the new investor board?Any non-schizo quick run down of the latest events surrounding cover going public?
>>90635221>They're bootlicking numberfag idols, exactly what modern Cover wants from the talent going forward
>>90647005>when fans asked why she wasn't participating in the GTA RP, she said it was due to time zones and she wished EN could have their own GTA RP event. It's possible this got back to MiCometI really hope this doesn't become a sticking point. A lot of EN brought up that they had fun but had the obvious issues of time zones and language barriers. That just seems like something that anybody could reasonably understand.For fuck's sake, you can sum up every interaction CC has with any of the JPs as "DO YOU WANT ICE CREAMU?"
>>90659747Don't speak of the whore Lemonleaf in the same breath as wifedo
>>90659624Or maybe we should just wish Fauna good luck on her new twitchslop journey if she can't be assed to travel to Japan a few times a year.
>>90647333HoloFes for all intents and purposes is considered mandatory. No confirmation but I imagine that's the big one.But they do the recording for that in midsummer, right? Did Fauna go?
>>90659216I mean, that still won't guarantee success as an indie. Holofans don't watch outside of their garden as opposed to other fanbases. That's how you get low conversion rates and Dooby getting around only 1k more CCV than her closest competitor, Mint, despite Dooby having nearly 3x the amount of subs as Mint did in corpo life.But it's not like that is not enough to live off of. That is better off than 99.9% of other streamers/Vtubers and someone is basically set for a career as long as those numbers are maintained.
It's funny how different the threads are now that the defense force has been dispatched. The lag of bureaucracy vs the organic reaction.
>>90659747100k subs is not enough. I'll say it again:I want her to be relevant to stream with other names. I don't want her to become hazbin and have regrets about leaving.She was almost a million, if she did not get 700k+, it would be such a waste
>>90649277>With myth, Ame's gone, Gura and Ina are basically gone>Trinityfag HAHAHAHAHA get what you deserves wallow in your misery.
>>90637224This is what I'm saying. It's almost like they WANT to be jerked around by some findom whore
>>90656077i'm leftie but i fucking love shondo. i'm just not twitter leftie.
>>90653953Tv producers and jp idol boomers also saw that, guess where they are now?
>>90659715average vtuber fan when confronted with the fact that the streamer is not their own personal tradwife and may have male friends or even (gasp) a boyfriend or husband
>>90656252what kronii incident?
>>90660186I don't care as long as they don't bring it to the stream (entertainment). I do not consider cucking entertainment as I am not American.
>>90659715Probably because she's been around longer than your corpo autism. You realize every girl here talks to man irl, because they are normal people. People had none of this retardation when she was just doing ASMR. I bet she misses that.
>>90660264Yeah I bet she misses not being financially securelmao fucking retard
>>90637686She also said she didn't want to move to Japan because she felt like she wouldn't stand out in her lolita dresses anymore so yeah, it checks out kek.
>>90656252the Mori faction won
>>90660255the fact that you perceive any interaction between a woman and a man as cucking you is pretty delusional man
>>90660443Whatever, I won't colloquially use the beaten into the dust term "cucking"I do not enjoy being a third wheel.
>>90649277Why do Britoids need to be so fucking anal about accents, get a fucking grip and stop shitting your knickers over this bollocks.
The reason why Fauna's graduation came as a shock is because she rarely bitched about management. She rarely ever showed there were issues behind the screen. It took her like 2 years to "explain" what happened during her debut and it took her a fucking year to hear her talk about how she fought with management so that her 3D debut doesn't get cut short. She really usually holds it in, for better or worse. So now that she's leaving because of management issues it's like a fucking whiplash.
>>90660255What's the point of being parasocial when you know she is playing a tightrope along some autistic rules?
>>90660533>It took her like 2 years to "explain" what happened during her debutWhat happened?
>>90659791I'm guessing you don't actually watch streams to get this easily confused by schizo posts. Fucking dumbass
>>90660532My Holo oshi is a introvert hikki who doesn't go out or see other people much so she doesn't need to be held to a standard she already lives.
>>90660174Your position basically doesn't exist in modern politics. If someone is talking about right vs left you can confidently assume they mean Tumblr vs 4chan, or whatever.
>>90655772Is it true that chama was also ready to leave and she privated everything?
>>90655772Easily could see Mumei and Gura leaving, Bae and Ina at least in this round of leaving is doubtful. If the talent is currently in Japan they are less likely to leave. That is unless it becomes much worse in the future.
>>90659791Cover went public quite awhile ago, and Fauna is woke AF (vegan FFS), so that isn't the issue.Where the investors maybe a problem is causing Cover to want to force their EN talents to travel to Japan for greater control over them and focusing more on special events and merch than on streams, as that's where the majority of the revenue is now and investors don't understand that those only work because of streams. (And pointing at Gura, can't really blame them for not understanding.)In one of the share holder's meetings, one of the major investors once demanded the privilege of """private sessions""" with the girls, and Yagoo basically told him to fuck off. So could also be some QAnon level shit happening now that Yagoo has less control that Fauna won't agree to. That's the rratiest of rrats, but clearly something extreme must be going on to make the dedicated workhorse that is Fauna of all people bail.
>>90661172>That is unless it becomes much worse in the future.What becomes much worse? Realistically what demands could Cover be making that are so terrible? Fauna didn't even do a professional announcement. Why was she crying? She's a woman so of course she's probably going to cry, but why? All of this just makes Cover look bad without any justification and it's likely we never will get one. So why did she spitefully quit while my oshi is having the time of her life right now? Seems like a personal problem and not something that is Cover's fault. Fauna is a vegan so she isn't exactly smart.
my favorite fauna moment was when she spelled fag out loud and immediately apologized
>>90661254>Ceres "I love not having schedules" Fauna>dedicated workhorseSapkeks are fucking schizophrenic
Alright, you had your 15 minutes of fame, now close the sticky. It doesn't need to be up for 24 hours.
>>90661476This is the first actual EN graduation. Sana doesn't count since she wasn't in the company long enough to leave a meaningful legacy.
>>90660368and Cover will die with it.
>>90661453let me remind them
>>90661536uh, watson?
>>90661419Bae and Kronii already made it clear that they're happy and have no plans on leaving.Whatever Fauna's problems are, they're her own.And I cannot repeat often enough how much of it comes down to them CLEARLY just wanting to become lazy indiesloppers (probably on twitch).
Fauna's graduation is fucking blunder for her. It is stupid. It is stupid. IT IS STUPIDt. Sapling
>>90661607Ame is an "affiliate". Fauna speedran directly to graduation.
>>90661585Puddle arc
>>90645805It'd be forgettable-ish if it were her in isolation. It's just the endpoint in the analysis of what's now become apparent is a pattern. In particular the two consecutive day 1-2 whammy should never have happened even if they were both going to graduate eventually anyway. That's an awful look.
>>90661585It's pretty amazing how her break bullshit spam was completely memoryholed.Yeah Fauna was practically FORCED out and wasn't just looking for an excuse to seem less like selfish grifter trying to get the indie bag.Her "issues" with management were VERY serious, trust her. She TOTALLY wants to be an idol, too.
>>90661621Then let her be a lazy indieslopper. It cost them literally nothing and they can still make bank on merch.
>>90661621Bae and Mori are the canaries, if they leave then something is up.
>>90661680People said the same about Pomu. But now she's better than ever.
>>90661574Calli is based and really ovulating now, you're wrong. Yagoo trusts Calli so do I.
>>90661701Huge respect to anyone who actualyl cuts ties witht his shitty idol wannabe company instead of shaking hands with yagoo on more overpriced merch sales.
>>90660726i am quite aware that people primarily concerned with policy combinatorics, instead of tribalism, are a dwindling resource.
>>90661764Pomu is different from Fauna. Why would Fauna expose herself to such risk without leaving a backdoor. She is either desperate or this decision is based on emotions
>>90661887so true sister
>>90657606>"I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol" my fucking ass.Saplings will latch onto this with blind trust, but how many songs/covers/3D lives has she done? The numbers kind of speak for themselves.
>>90661764Pomu is actually driven on her own and is an idol schizo like Kiara. Are you really comparing Fauna to her because of the fucking hair color and that's it?
>>90661916Yagoo's asshole is unlicked right now. Hopt to it.
>>90661980Yagoo made it so my oshi could live a worry free life and be happy and produce entertainment for me so basically you're a retard and he is based. Fauna just needs to get good and improve herself.
>>90643900futamoco
>>90644253Yeah, I don't understand the hype at all. They're kinda annoying af
She better not steal the vtuber award out of pity
>>90662098how people can bootlick this hard is beyond me
>>90662190We've only been given vague comments about the issues, why do you want anon to be so mad anyway?
>>90661913The fact that she isn't going affiliate and that she says, "I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here", suggests her leaving isn't entirely voluntary. It isn't likely a workload demand thing either, given that so many of the girls are streaming once a month or less.Given how she was going on and on about how she was looking forward to Enrico2 and more The Forest sessions, in addition to graduating mid game runs, suggests whatever management did was rather sudden as well. This also isn't when contracts generally run out for Holo.
>>90662098based as fuck
>>90662190Fauna was too vague about her problems with the company and my oshi is happy so I believe it's all on her. Fauna can't even request perms and follow through. I don't care if her manager is shit and forgot to tell her the perms went through. She should be sending daily emails until she gets confirmation. She lacks initiative.
I will miss her fat titties.
>>90655772>we've also been getting hints that Irys and Bae might be coming next.You're pulling that out of your ass. There's 0 indication IRyS is unhappy with her current situation. She's doing recordings and projects(another original or even an ep is in the works). She likes her mane-chan and regularly hangs out with her. She complains about something only whe n she reminisces about the past.If you said that a year ago, I would buy it, she was in a bad place. But everything is different now.Bae, can't say. She seems content enough to me. Like other anon said, she moved to japan specifically to be to take on even more projects, to be overworked, she chose this.
>>90661887
My theory is the new owners want everyone to move to Japan and be overseen by Japanese managers.That way they can more tightly control the talent and insure the product is palatable for a domestic audience.
>>90661942Fauna has a huge dedicated audience
>>90662404Yeah but they were "encouraging" them to move through incentives instead of directly forcing them. If you didn't want to move, you had to travel to to japan like 4x per year while paying the hotel and plane yourself. Part of the "incentive" to move.
>>90650454>suicides>be more considerateShe's just quitting a job. Calm your tits, anon.
>>90650454if you were gonna kill yourself over this, then it's probably a net positive for the world anyway.
>>90662301This is grim asf
>>90662404>>90662510Seems a good horse to put money on, but I would feel better if it was a contract change that would also explain the recent rash of JP graduations, and all the other girls citing issues with management to one degree or another.
>>90662404If they wanted talents isolated in a foreign country where they can't speak the language, that is a classic way to force them to be dependent on you and make them easier to manipulate.I can see them wanting to do it and not even thinking for a second how bad of an idea it really is.If they wanted to go this hard then they should change their hiring requirements to include practical japanese if not N4 fluency.
>>90662404If you have to be coerced to leave whatever shithole you live in to move to glorious Nippon you probably shouldn't be employed with Cover anyways.
>>90662404that's not a theory that's a hypothesis
>>90661803never forgive never forget,she girlboss fked the fans just to own us 3rd times the charm baby forever an anti
>>90663131Very intriguing, now take your meds and watch the Fauna stream.
>>90662804I was thinking this but didn't want to say it. Japan has a way its run and that's not a healthy environment for anyone from the West. Native Japanese aren't going to have fun and the "Gaijin" are just going to gather among themselves.Some people don't handle solitude itself very well. Imagine your only companion is Tingle from the Legend of Zelda. I'm not going to Japanese jail for knocking some Japanese doofus out.
>>90661621>>90661750mori fucked up her chances, she knows she's nothing without hololivesame with bae she's a runt.
>>90659715Why do corpofags freak out over any normal interaction with a guys, but love the fact that a whole group of men monitor and control everything their oshi does?
>>90639692>Ame was my first vtuberNigga you are literally underage
>>90648620having been a sports fan for multiple decades I've felt this feeling before whenever a team seemingly is in their prime and establishing a dynasty and then for some reason out of nowhere a decent, not a star but a core, player either lets his contract expire and signs somewhere else or reportedly asks to be traded or in the case of Beast Mode Marshawn Lynch, just retired on the spot. At first its confusing, but then you start to hear whispers and rumors and then other players start dipping out. Then next thing you know the dynasty is done and the stars are gone and the team fades back into obscurity and the head coach or general manager gets fired. Then a decade later you find out the whole time that Russel Wilson was a piece of shit to his team mates and could get away with everything. Tale as old as time.
>Are you scared?>Are you fucking finally scared of the incoming internal evaluation?>There has been to many chances to fix your shit up and do your job.
>>90661680She's been lemonleaf long before she was fauna. She's coming back to her kingdom, and leaving your autism behind
>>90663350I do not wish to boost the social status of any man other than me. This includes increasing the amount of money he can potentially earn as well as facilitating building a friendship with the objection of my affection (my oshi) by being their audience. All men other than me must fucking hang. ALL men. Taken to the ultimate ends, even my own father must burn. Hope this helps.
>>90663579Tale as old as time.
>>90663650>Suisei, who has a long noseabstract_merchant.jpg
Good morning VT, had coffee yet?
>>90659715fauna's been married since she was lemonleaf, did no one watch her older livestreams?
>>90663650This is some spicy stuff.
If Cover wanted to go full idol they should've done that from the start. And actually hire singers, dancers and musicians. Instead they hired a bunch of streamers who made the company succesful through streams and are now forcing them to go to nipland and dance. All because they wasted an ungodly amount of money on a shitty 3D studio.
>>90662404how does this explain aqua and chloe
>>90663984Dang. i agree with you anon
Mio hyping up Bijou moving to Japan, showed Fauna graduating and then said nothing. I think we know who's side she's on.
>some absolute fucking retard tried to argue that "no ackshully there's no reason to panic, for every talent that graduates for not wanting to become an actual idol for pennies there will be like 10 new hires, don't doomerpost, like 7 talents graduated years ago and it was fine" with me fucking retarded ass faggot
>>90663984Cover improvised and they accidentally were successful. They tried first to copy Kizuna Ai and later they tried to copy Nijisanji's JK Gumi.
>>90663921More in the fact that they chose to put their heads in the ground and drown in their headcanons. But there are those of course who were very unaware of her PL so they get a bit of a pass. But boy are they gonna have a big surprise when lemonleaf mentions her SO on stream or he makes some sort of appearance. My condolences to the poor innocent saplings out there.
>>90663984The want whatever makes money. It turns out live shows make a buttfuck amount of money. So do sponsorships.So Cover's calculation is More live shows + more sponsorships = more moneyOne thing they are probably not taking into account however is that if Hololive itself is not popular, the shows/shill campaigns won't be either. Let's say a girl like Fauna doesn't participate in moneymaking operations, she is still raising the popularity of the company and creating fertile ground for the others to harvest. Those people have indirect value, and they are being tossed aside by short sighted thinking.
The nerve of this guy.
>>90663984"I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol.", she said in her brief graduation stream, while expressing joy at having been given the opportunity to sing and dance. Granted, a lot of people here won't take her word for it, but I somewhat doubt it's a deal breaker issue for her, even if some of the other graduates seem to be citing it. Also given how sudden this is, and all the long term plans she was making up until just weeks ago, it must be something more drastic and more recent. Perhaps being required to go to Japan four times a year on her own dime, but perhaps something else more common to the recent rash of graduations.
>>90663921Sure whatever I don't care Hololive kept her personal life under wraps and that's a good thing.
>>90663350if they want to do it i dgaf, but i rather not watch it,hope she's states it early, so i can just ignore her re debut
>>90664355On top of that there are only so many English speakers that will put up with it. If Cover wants to abuse Westerners mentally or otherwise they can pull up their stakes and stay in their Oklahoma sized archipelago.
>>90562666Did she seriously do this just to steal attention from Chloe?
>>90664480no individual can be okay with denial and claim to be a man. maybe you're a troon.
>>90662433*had
>>90664581Um ackshually I'm doing the right and moral thing by not being a doxfag
>>90664447Why could not she just move to jp? She would not be alone, since all her collegues eventually also were forced to move. It is just sad, very sad
>deleted >deleted >deleted >deleted
>>90664673cause shes married and doesn't want to upend her entire life to move to Japan when she signed up to be a streamer working from home
>>90663984>If Cover wanted to go full idol they should've done that from the start.The idol direction has been known since late-2019, with the release of Shiny Smily Story. It wasn't til 1 year after this that Myth even became a thing. There's two things that happened here: 1. the first two waves applied without doing their research and didn't really know what they were getting into. 2. EN got an unusually long grace period due to covid and some of them didn't adapt well when things returned to normal and they started being asked to fulfill their main responsibilities.
>>90664742That being deleted everytime gives it more and more validity kek
>>90664418Yeah I got mad when I saw that and left a comment that could be open to interpretation (kind or not) so if he investigates he'll be greeted with a nice picture of Marines throwing up the American flag on Iwo Jima.My entire childhood was basically the pacific theater and I cannot see Japanese as kind silly goofy goobers.
>>90664344Not every sapling is a parasocial schizo. I have no idea if she has a bf or husband, even, but even if she does, I don't see how that changes anything. How does that detracts from her being a witty and entertaining streamer?
>>90664480That thing is paradoxically why Hololive is crashing
>>90664753Imagine raising children in the US among american zoomers and alphas instead of xenophobic (based) Japan
>>90664447I think what Fauna and Kiara are both trying to hint at in their statements is that Fauna had some particular unique problem with management that doesn't carry over to the other talents. I mean we know they have personalized managers in Holo for the most part.
>>90664742Meh, new jannies not realizing that deleting rrats just gives them more power - one would think the ones that were around for the GUURAT would have learned their lesson. That one took off like wildfire as soon as it was deleted.Killing rrats is not your job jannies. If it doesn't contain doxx, leave the rumor mill alone. It's better to let it sort itself out, especially when most of the replies to the rrat are doubters.
the big push towards the dogs the last few months making more sense heh
>>90664447>"I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol."She doesn't even get what an idol is.
Their main responsibility is selling merch everything else is secondaryIf fauna was moving merch like Pekora she could do anything she wanted and management would be fine with it >>90664930blessed
>>90665016This board is a bit strange compared to the rest of the site. But it's the case that when the mods decides something should be shut down, it gets shut down. There's nothing you can do and complaining won't fix it.
>>90664673Yes, moving to a entirely different country and abandon all friends and family is just something everyone would love to do. Not to mention Japan is a shithole of a country to live in
>>90665056I heard she was the second biggest merch mover on the EN side, though I don't have a source for that.
The fuck is going on in Cover? Seriously.How tall is their middle manager sandwich to be this incompetent and fuck up releasing a song meant to coincide with the goth outfits?
>>90665122>Japan is a shithole of a country to live inElaborate
>>90665200larry fink
I realized Hololive had no good future back in mid 2022. I came back shortly for Fuwamoco's first couple months but left before I fell back in. JP indies as background noise is the only you should be engaging with vtubing (if you don't understand Japanese you shouldn't even be browsing this board imo), this is not a medium worth dedicating to
>>90665114No, it doesn't, that's the problem. This particular rrat is particularly stupid and I'd like to see it shut down, but the mods are just adding fuel to the fire like they have with every other giant plague baring rrat that survives and thrives on this board.The fact that the deletions are haphazard suggest there are older mods that know better.
>>90665244i believe it
>>90664945I was just replying to the other guy how some unaware saplings will go ballistic to that tidbit of info while some will just shrug and either move on to watch her future contents. Didn't say nothing else regarding what you're going for.
>>90665210He's probably upset the McDonald's aren't as unhealthy there.
>>90665210NTA but the Yen is weak right now and you have to leave and go home to renew your visa then re-enter the country.You can buy property as a foreigner but every so often you have to abandon it or have a house sitter.You can have a car and a normal sized house if you live rural but you have to be trapped like a sardine like millions of others if you have to live in a city.
>>90663921my sides would transcend the cosmos if she does a day one, actual dick sucking ASMR combined with the absolute raunchiest commentary
>>90665200Japan has a really weird attitude regarding corporations in general.>extreme emphasis on seniority and traditions>corporation is seen as your family and loyalty is demanded>huge tribalistic loyalty among people for corporations>corporations also have ludicrous powers to shut down detractors, acting almost like shogunates to themselvesI think it's a fusion of traditional culture with modern economy that created something bizarre.
>>90665286i'd say you're right, but a friend of mine befriended his oshii irl and i've been jealous as fuck ever since. he already has a girlfriend, why is he doing this. i would kill to get literally 1/1000 of the time he gets with two girls. i don't even know how his girlfriend is ok with it.
>>90665210I would say anime has disillusioned to the reality of Japan but honestly even anime show how shitty Japan is so it really is all on you.
>>90665001Would you want your children to be so culturally alien to you? I suppose if you can't find any refuge in the west it would be a last option
>>90665122As a person who did exact same thing in pursuit of career, I must say it is great. My children will have swiss passport and far away from american trannies and eu browns. There are few decent places to raise children and Japan is one of them
>>90664771>idol since 2019That would explain why the JPs are saying there hasn't been any major changes recently. Corpo perms and risk appetite would change every year but that's just the norm.
>>90665484let's be real, you'd annoy your oshi day and night if you knew her personally.
>>90665569Okay mr money bag
>>90665558Japan/Taiwan/South Korea/Switzerland are the only countries with decent economy and without globohomo shill
>>90665210Don't listen to the schizo. Japan has some appealing points and some annoying points, like every other country in the world.
>>90664673Moving to another country (especially one with a different language from your own) is not easy, fast, or cheap. She would have to leave her friends, family, and home culture for what is ultimately just a job, which is subject to the headaches of work visas and Japanese corporate bullshit.
>>90663921Good. Married woman love.
>>90665730Nobody should deal with Koreans. Finns are alright too, "leave me fucking alone", the country
>>90661585>hates schedulesso it was all Ame's fault
>>90665460>I think it's a fusion of traditional culture with modern economy that created something bizarre.Its more so that the despotic culture is still there, it never left, it just has a thin coat of modernity paint on it that scratches off really easily.
>>90665880Yes, but Finland is in EU
attention: Fauna is pissing
>>90664771> the first two waves applied without doing their researchThen why the fuck did Cover hire them when it's pretty clear some have zero musical talent and most of their resume is centered around streaming? Why not hiring actual musicians?And lets be honest Holos in the west aren't succeeding because of their music. Idol culture isn't a thing here. They will never manage to get a EN Suisei and even Mori is arguably far bigger in Japan.
seems like a lot of niji fans are trying to twist things with limited info to make cover look badcurrently we just don't have enough info to judge yet
So who is gonna take care of the Saplings with their mommy is gone? They will be homeless and vulnerable. It's the perfect time to take advantage of them.
rrat for two years from now: decreasing western interest combined with the severe consequences of raising their ire (example: the burning corpse of nijiEN and anycolor's stock) will lead to a gradual disposal of EN talent not willing to play the japanese way except gura she can do whatever the fuck she wants
>>90666147They'll either be painted yellow and follow her, or Pebbles will paint them gray to hide them from the many avian predators and Nene's insect pets.
>>90666110We've lost four girls in as many months, six in the year, and each and every one of them has cited issues with management.There's a veritable pile of canaries on the floor here, Anon.
>>90666147Depends on sapling, I am also kronie and pemaloe. For the dependant type, maybe Nerissa or Raora
>>90665730Child-rearing is on the parents, not the state. If you can't raise a child properly in your home country, you'll undoubtedly fuck it up regardless of where you move.
>>90664771First wave was during Covid so of course there was less of idol and traveling shit. And girls we the happiest.
>>90666385Tell that to Canada or North Korea.
>>90666385Public school system. I hope I will be able to afford private, but I don't want my children to be in any proximity to brown or fatherless children under any circumstances. I don't want them even to think that they are something else than a scum
>>90666635is that worth your kids growing up to hate you? empathy can be grown, yes, but it can also be innate.
>>90562666All these whores using corporations to advertise themselves and then run off with the fans are going to cause irreparable damage to trust. Future members of any company will have their ass tied down to stop them from running off with the money.
>>90666635Kek your children will end up great with you. Father of the year material right here
>>90666459>And girls we the happiest.Absolutely delusional. First year was a trial by fire, a pit with wolves, a short pdf and "good luck figuring this out" was all they were given. It was rough as fuck. Every girl in myth talked about that.
>>90666046on my lap all over meshe drank 2 gallons of arizona
>>90666094At first they were expected to be just streamers, with the possibility of becoming more idol focused in the future. No musical talent isn't an issue despite the initial impressions, people pick girls to turn into idols with no real previous talent all the time there. Its something that can be trained>Why not hiring actual musicians?Artists that fill all the checkboxes aren't that many despite what you'd imagine, besides they can't exactly have overlapping personalities which further reduces the pool
>>90666736American public schools are zoo hell holes
>>90665460It certainly is bizarre. You have chill people, who also happen to contribute PR and sales, continuously voicing frustrations about how things are getting (not) done, projects vetoed AFTER they already got greenlit and AFTER expenses were made. This should have been a high priority issue from the get go.
>>90666801thats like 400g of sugar bro!
>>90666147Cc & Biboo for gaming. Nerissa for comfort
>>90666260putting on the otomo suit
>>90666736I was grown this way. And I love my parents as I grew up. Because I don't have any problems with capitalism, which is common among my peers
>>90666859just as planned
>>90666147Raora is the new EN mommy.
>>90666958Now that you mention it, I can kind of see it.
Seedbros...
>>90667077Raora the mommy, Elizabeth the aunt, Nerissa the older sister
>>90638178the curse is realthere can only be one green woman
Kronii will join Kaela's stream. I believe it!
>still stickiedHoly shit get over the green whore already. Chloe's sticky got taken down in like 5 hours. Way to show your bias, jannies.
>>90666937>BibooKys
>>90667394The janny broke his mouse and keyboard with his tears. He has to run to walmart and get a new ones
>>90663641Post like these made me realize incel isn't just a buzzword.
>>90652827>go indie, or worse, to VshoujoThere is a secret, evil third option.
Kaela saying they knew about this long before the fans. She's actually saying a lot.
>>90667760Vshojo~phase >> indie for Fauna type.She's not driven enough to become relatively as big as she was in holo as indie
>>90666792From the sound of things, there's still a lot of rough patches that need adrressing. Council had an easier time because Myth had learned the hard way and was available to show them the ropes, not because EN management magically became golden. I guess in you're far more likely to have decent support if you just move to Japan. I don't buy for a second that Cover's intentionally pressuring them to move,but I do believe those who are willing have realized it was the smart thing to do if they wanted to remain holos for the long-term.
>>90667835That's not saying anything. That's obvious.
>>90667969Some people still thought this was a surprise announcement.
>>90666110True, we should wait for at least 2 additional graduations, then MAYBE we'll have enough info.
>>90666801B A S E DASED
>>90638936>x
>>90562666>(insert vtuber here) wont graduate>"their activity on their old account means nothing">they graduate>everyone acts surprised>repeat cycle
Kaela hates the Saplings who are malding on Twitter.
>>90667930I do think she'd struggle a lot more without the support of a company, and considering that her main point was disagreements with management, I thought Phase might be one of the more likely options considering - as far as I know, at least - they're a lot more lax with their talents, for better or for worse.Granted, I guess the same can be said for VShojo, we could flip a coin.
>>90667394Same thing happened with Akuwa, it's probably because they're JP
>>90668423It's always people who oshi the company over the person.>She won't graduate because the company must be good and so she'll always stay in the company be
>>90668053It was a surprise for Noel. She didn't read the internal notification.
>>90668319There will be a generation that doesn't know it was called 'twitter' at some point no matter how retarded the attempt at rebranding was.Might as well get used to it getting called X
>>90666147NotFauna will
>>90668053These things are never a surprise unless you don't care enough to hear about the news before things show up on twitter
>Kaela says all fan feelings are valid WDSM?
>>90669088Your feelings are valid. They're a completely natural, sensible and valid reaction for someone like you, in your situation, to be having.
>>90669170even the horse stuff?
>>90669205You are what you are.
>>90665452Right.Because you'd find it funny, right anon?
>>90669088She's getting tired of the graduations. How many has she gone through? That's her way of saying you should ream Yagoo's ass until you get answers.
Guess the green course was not a joke after all.
>>90665412i just flew to south korea and went back to japan right after a week, next time probably need to enjoy S.korea for a month before going to JP again.
>>90669276>How many has she gone through?Like, 2? Fauna and Sana. Is Ame still gone?
It's time to remove the sticky. 30 minutes until 24h.
>>90660174We must secure the existence of our Shondo, and a future for loli wives…
>>90669981The sticking will continue until morale improves.
>>90669907She cares about JPs as well. And the affiliate thing is a graduation.
>>90654981lmao no, why people still think any of the Hololive girls are lesbians, is a marketing tactic, just like the twincest with fuwamoco.
>>90669825
>Kaela isn't going anywhere But, we already knew that.
Kaela wants the fans to fuck each other, but not in a yabai way.
>>90670164Fauna did catch me by surprise honestly. I wonder how many others are secretly brooding about things
>>90670253Based Kaela
>>90647431You know what doesn't make sense? You know what has me concerned? ID. Let's be frankly VERY brutally honest for a second here. ID is not a money making generation. They are easily shadowed by EN and JP. They are a great generation but the runts of the letter do exist there. Do I have to be concerned for Kaela? Is Anya safe?What about the Holostars? Sure, I'm not a fan of them but they have their audience. They are even BIGGER runts of the litter. Are THEY in danger? Or are they protected by Yagoo? For how long then considering they use resources that could go towards the girls?What is the measurement for success with these fucking shareholders? The likely chance of a "mascot for a McDonalds commercial"?I really did not think there was a monkey's paw to me wanting Hololive to get bigger.
>>90670097>just like the twincest with fuwamoco.I feel like fuwamoco are so commited to the kayfabe anything could happen.
>>90670501Anon, all the ID girls are rich now thanks to the exchange rate and Hololive, they aren't leaving.
>>90640455>a second-wave feminist.How many waves of feminism are we considering here? 3 or 4? because 4 would make Kiara's mom over 100 years old
>>90670703Kobo is menhera and she was complaining about being too poor to afford a hotel in japan
Tumbling down
>>90670781when does the circuit breaker go off?
It's simple. Those that want to perform and produce music/don't really care for streaming will stick it out and thrive. Those that just want to stream occasionally will graduate. Both Ame and Fauna have already quit, the two most SOVLFUL EN singers. The writing is on the wall.
>>90667394Fauna is a board darling. When Gura graduates I doubt the sticky will ever be deleted
>>90670501ID is fine, there's a reason they get less Gens and only have 3 members in a Gen. I doubt they're going to axe anyone. They probably will get less resources but unfortunately it's probably something they're used to.
>>90670858i found the table. the circuit breaker is at -500 in their price band.
>>90670781Buy the drop.
>>90670781Well that's just a coincidence, otherwise it would have gone down yesterday.
>>90671123>otherwise it would have gone down yesterday.My nigga, yesterday it was Sunday. Stock exchanges are closed. It's no coincidence that they give these kind of news on a Friday evening or the weekend.
Why the fuck Cover went public?Were they THAT desperate for money? Were the JP and EN branches not profitable enough?If it was a decision motivated by greed it was a colossally retarded decision.
hi im a lemon
>>90671272I'm pretty sure when Sora and AZKi approached Yagoo the company was already on the verge of bankruptcy
>>90671272esl retard
>>90670781Negligible.
>>90562666Chloebros where's our 2 day sticky...
>>90671123The average anon here don't even know what a stock exchange is. It's a business like any other. It's not a magical realm of gnomes prodding and pushing and pulling lines on a chart. Yesterday was Sunday in Japan, and white collars don't work on Sunday.
>>90670501Grim
>>90642135>First Lemon leaf Stream has Palestine flag? Um based?Based. Inshallah
Bae is live.
>>90642087This fucking guy again, he always thinks the world revolves around himAfter the Smol Ame game controversy he stuck around Sana's streams for a whileI did like the game he made for Sana but he's just insufferable
>>90664480>and that's a good thingRUMAO
>>90670501I don't even watch ID and even I know Kobo is a money maker. She has been that diamond-in-the-rough trope who turns out has actual singing talent which gets massive marketing in the region. She got an appearance in Honda ID just like Korone became ambassador to Honda Racing.
>>90664945>>90665312woah really, explains why she doesn't want to go to japan often, why it's for work and all girls.though i do really wonder who wears the pants in that relationshipLMFAO
>>90672657mori debuff really ruined her early,man cover should really fix that.i do know cause man they don't tell her shat.
>>90646719Nico Nico Douga has their own encyclopedia of sorts, like a Know Your Meme but limited to memes spawning from the websitehttps://dic.nicovideo.jp/
>>90663331Calli can definitely continue to be successful outside of hololive…
>We've known for a whileOk, so Kiara was dooming over this in her members stream a month-ish ago.
>>90673001doubt, maybe in her very indie scene,hololive is paying for everythingi really hope they axe that bitchbut with better singers getting tainted by her earlyshe's saying all right
>>90663614And she could probably get support from Shondo…
>>90659117>>>90642087>>bskyGet up with the times, anon
>>90672975I agree the redditwoman does have the anit-midas touch and does ruin everything she comes into contact with. I couldn't watch a single chuuba who was in GTA next to her, especially Biboo, who has been sucked into a shitty mommy black hole with that cunt.
>Bae hated 2022 Hololive Tempiss....
>Bae>Hololive is not the same as it was two years ago.>Change means growth, so change isn't bad>Change also brings some bad stuff, because the changes might not make some happy.>I hope change means growth and that things will work outRe: NUMBERS MONEY NUMBERS MONEY NUMBERS
>24 hour sticky>only 1000 postshololive has really fallen off, huh
>>90673220i don't watch anyone too close to that bitch.was going onto GiGi till otherwise, skippa skippa,CC is all i have now,as Gura Mumei really looks to be leaving and Fauna really be going
>>90673550It's a FWMC world and we're playing by FWMC rules. Turbostacy Suisei won.
>>90562666>1 day oldwitnessed
>Mumei is ok Bae talked to her, yesterday. Kronii isn't ok, she's never ok
>>90673550>corpo world is not a constant>water is wet
>>90673617newcutie...
>>90671272Cover had VC investors who wanted their payday. Usually that means cashing out on IPO.
Fauna seems nice I like her :)
>>90673220i would like to suck mommy mori's black hole cunt
>>90671349Where did you find this picture of me?
>>90672975>mori debuff really ruined her earlyhow
>>90670781First time I've been happy to see that... Though I really doubt it has anything to do with this.
>>90675353For me it was the godawful daddy meme
>>90670781buybuybuy
>>90675494They're just goofin'
>>90671390>AZKiYou mean A-chan? Newfag-chama..
More paint added to the picture>Shiori>Idol activities are not my top priority>I will continue to make my content>I am here to entertain people, but first and foremost myself.>Not good business decisions, but they entertain me.>I hope you're entertained by my choices.>I wasn't a fan of some of the group projects, but I'm never directly forced to join them>No offense to those who did want to do them, I'm just not interested.So when does the hammer come down on Shiori for not wanting to step in line?
>The thread is not a sticky anymore.
>no longer a stickywelp, it was a good run
>>90676212>>90676183>>90676247Move along, saplings. Funeral's over.
>>90675915Shiori will be one of the worst losses in terms of retired designs. Even if she went indie and had Kayahara make a new design for her, it'll never recapture the magic of the original without entering lawsuit territory.
When's the next sticky?And who's gonna be in it?
>>90676347
It's Faunover...
>>90675790We need more posts like this. Dreams are fascinating.
>holo graduates>only 1k posts about itman, /vt/ fell off
>>90676347>duplicate image exists>>90676281 this is my dark horse bet
>The thread is not a sticky anymore
>>90662395ned was an actual retard
Damn these graduations suckAnyone have any good art of Kiara and Raora fat as fuck?
>>90677446Put Bae and Mori in the management dog tier.
>>90677446Godspeed Rabbit woman
>>90677446Kiara is controlled opposition
>>90562666>not even 8000 posts itti guess no-one really cared about her. lame.
>>90663579...fuck, I don't want this to be true.
>>90677446I won't be able to rank, but FWMC I feel like are the only 'management faction' tier. Mori and Bae are management dog for sure.
>>90676347me
>>90677446Retarded EOP
>>90676281I find it to be one of Kayahara's weaker designs.
Couldn't be more Faunover
>>90642657no, child, it is YOU who possess an aversion to the truth.
FAUNYA