/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>90622752
Crazy how people still defend management after all this

>>90622752
You realize the people who have been critical have been critical since the "good old days", right? You people are retarded.

>>90622926
their managers were awful back then too retarded damage control bot

If cover fucked up Ina's visa, why couldnt she just fly back?

>>90622867
I doubt anyone's defending cover management. But what can you realistically do if you're on the outside? Drop your membership on your oshi? Not buy merch? Not spend any money at all on your oshi? Maybe if you own Cover stock? From what I've seen, a lot of people even outside /vt/ have voiced their opinion publicly but that's about it. It's up to cover themselves to fix their issues, if not other agencies will catch up to them one way or the other.

>>90623034
Management was probably more incompetent in the past, now management is being actively pushed to prioritize sponsorships over streams/personal projects

>>90623036
Because she paid for her hotel stay herself and they won't refund her so she might enjoy the stay

>>90622752
Also shouldn't they be treating Mori better? I thought she was the one who built the bridge between WB Music and Cover. Even if it wasn't wouldn't shareholders love the talk of connections to big american corporations?

wtf happened to hololive? they werent like this back when i used to watch em hell the managers so hands on they would even interact in chat and with the fans

I notice choco sensei is far more active on her PL too than her Holo account
heck shes streaming right now

>>90622752
>overworked
>disagrees with management
Their job is play video games. Suck it up.

>>90622867
Lmao, these guys pretend their job is like offshore oil drilling, claiming they have burnout and mental struggles here and there. Even doorto door sales is harder than just selling merch

>>90623268
Stagnation of streaming revenue. Even with Advent, Justice and Re_gloss joining the earnings from streaming have not gone up significantly. too early to include Flowglow

>>90623423
They're doing her dirty, she put up with a LOT of shit including the ero live days and what did she get in return?

>>90623458
Ummm... sometimes they're forced to play games they're not really interested in playing okay? It's literally annudah shoah

>>90623508
You mean... just randomly adding new streamers doesn't magically create revenue?

>>90623185
its japan, they think they have the bigger dicks in the negotiations.

>>90622867
An anon said this to me a few months ago but when people make a brand their identity and their entire personality, they feel that when people attack that brand, you're attacking their character. Thus causes them to immediately become defensive and start lashing out.
You cannot reason with these people. The truth could be staring you directly in the eyes, completely objective and they will ignore all reason because to concede is to deny everything they believed up until now.
It's essentially a cult. You leave the cult or speak out against it, you're attacking their being and identity. A lot of these people just have no choice by to consume because they have nothing else. It's tragic.

>>90622752

25 replies, zero people reading the op.

start finding those clips.

>>90623121
stop giving them money. companies only listen to their fans when they dont get money anymore

>>90623268
>the managers so hands on
But enough about Mel's 2020 hiatus...

>>90623458
They can’t even play all the video games they want to play due to JP corpo perm autism. Their projects get sidelined like Gura’s MV or get dropped entirely after they put effort into them. You’re either a number chaser and they’ll pressure you to not stream and do more recordings or a wild card like Shiori/Haachama so they leave you be

>>90623757
It's amazing how fast people memoryholed that.
The molester didn't even get fired, he was moved to another department. He could still be there for all we know.
But Hololive was in it's golden honeymoon period that could do no wrong at the time (until the china incident happened)

>>90622867
Pretty much everyone is shitting on cover after Fauna’s announcement. The most defending I’ve seen is to not say X is graduating. Check out the replies to Yagoo’s reply to Fauna

>>90622752
You know, for what it's worth, the Omega reign were when some of the bitches were really happy

>>90623458
They literally CAN'T play video games, you plum. Why do you think Ame left? One of the last things she said before her graduation announcement was that she just wanted to play video games. Streaming is negligible now compared to shilling merch.

I need to get my president on this issue. If anyone can save us it's Trump.

>>90623894
Nah i've seen some people still defending them and even supporting their decision to go public. Though this was on reddit so they hardly count.

>>90623944
Trump isn't gonna do shit to a fucking vtuber company when woketards are the only thing he'll be fighting

>>90623715
>do some clip baiters work for them so they can make money on YouTube
Fuck off mate

Come back when holostars come out and start graduating because until then this is just women having their normal woman moments
>b-but Mag and Dez!
Like I said women having women moments.

>>90623185
If you weren’t shitposting, Mori literally just said that she has been happy yesterday, even to the point that she felt bad seeing some girls graduated because that made her wonder if she was doing something wrong
With that said, they clearly have been treating her better

>>90624093
why did these women wait until the company went public to suddenly start having simultaneous women moments?

>>90622752
Laplus also said that she vibes with the new direction for the most part. Not every girl is built for the new hololive.

Aigoooooooooooo

>>90623121
welcome to being a nijisanji fan lmao

I think hololive should create a branch that is just streamers. You don't get concerts and are last priority for 3D but they just let you stream everyday and nothing else.

>>90622752
>I know gura talked about this on her stream but idk when that was. it was too long ago.
literally the last memberstream.

>>90624007
Nah, the tide is changing, All I saw were attack against Cover earlier after Fauna's announcement, but I just saw a bunch of defending posts on Twitter. Unless Cover pulls a black screen stream, chances are the attacking and defending sides will be a lot more even after a few days

>>90623268
They became a public company meaning shareholder pressure to run the company their way

>>90623121
once a company goes public, the only thing they care about is pleasing their shareholders. things don't change unless money stops flowing in

>>90624391
When the money starts following in that's when the shareholders start leeching everything of value before selling off and leaving the company a lifeless husk.
Only way to save it now is actually buy stock

>>90624270
I'd like to say you're right. But after months of talking about how Hololive has changed and being gaslit nonstop, you can understand why I'm apprehensive that they won't just suddenly go back to bootlicking and buying merch the second the rest of the talent start streaming again.

>>90623458
No it isn't, now it's to spend all your aff time doing idol training and attending meetings with a manager who doesn't acknowledge you otherwise.

>>90624143
Isn’t Mori more merch/music oriented, doubt it effects her that much since it’s what Cover is prioritizing now over streaming games

>>90623944
Congrats dumbass, he just took away your autism bucks and put a 50% sales tax in the form of tariffs of all the merch you used to import.
At least this means you can no longer give money to hololive.

>>90622867
No one sane defends management. Even the reddit hugbox is complaining about it.

Iroha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCLZ7vDPErE
Subaru previously
https://x.com/mishiyaro/status/1863055155828318547

>>90626064
>Sane
>Reddit
Anon, by tomorrow, they'll return to being a hugbox and pretending everything is fine. We already have people /here/ saying it's all "doomposting"

>>90622752
>the new direction
>new cjanges
What are these, exactly? Because from my end everything seems exactly the same. And no, I don't watch JPs that much.

>>90623458
holofags are still acting that corpos are losing money on a job where they only need an internet, pc, model & the streamer. Their profits are always been green but they're just being greedy

>>90627893
Hyper focus and increase on merchandising and brand collabs which leads to more 'homework' that comes with it's own set of busywork thanks to Cover hitting 500 internal employees. The retards who barely do anything al all in the kffice have to justify to their bosses once a quarter or yeae why they should keep their job, and it results in more and more piddly shit getting pushed onto talents to do, which means less work time spent streaming, and more work time spent sucking off some Jap to keep the company atmosphere happy.
People always talk about how they're making hundreds of thousands to 'just stream', but the end result of these talents quitting is because they respect and value their free time and got tired of putting in a shit ton of work hours just to keep their fanbase and management/the back office happy.

>>90622752
I am very conflicted and i don't know what the solution to this should be. A creative person gets obliterated fast if they get said no too many times but at the same time being grounded in reality is what a manager should do. Not buying into the latest crypto scam is what a manager should do and thus they are doing their jobs. A manager thats also a creative person means that they can also easily fall into the same shit...at the same time not having any kind of relation to creative work means that the creative person will not be understood. Thats how we get shit like Doobie collabing with Filian. Being down on the list of priorities because they just don't want to deal with your quirky ideas that might fuck everybody including the manager's bottom line is something that i can't really damn. I would be scared too if my wellbeing was linked to a person who tries to convince me that maybe a stream where they say the N word once every superchat is somehow a good idea. People saying that this is an exageration, let me remind you about Kronis stupid idea of behaving like an NPC. An idea so stupid that i don't know why it happened.

>>90628795
I see. That sounds a lot as to why I quit my last job.

>>90624143
This actually worries me even more. Calli is the kind of person who has survivor bias. I foresee another LP where her characters can't be happy for what they achieved because others have it bad. Fucking hell pink woman, just be happy

>>90628795
>because they respect and value their free time and got tired of putting in a shit ton of work hours
my oshi is practically putting in the work of a fulltime employee while getting treated like a contractor

>>90622752
>The one who will lead hololive to death is hololive itself
Going public was a mistake

>>90623458
>Join japanese company
>Can't play japanese games because... REASONS
>Forced to do idol shit
I wonder why anyone would want to jump ship

>>90629289
Sad part is it's not even the 'I hate my fans/streaming' stuff, it's just that a bunch of their time that they 'allot' to work now goes to horseshit on the back end and they probably aren't willing to kill themselves to help some fag investor or shareholder and themselves a few extra buck with time spent doing backend shit to get it ready. There's probably less and less stuff they can say no to anymore and it eats into their time they want to be streaming for fans.
It's like people forget that Japan is notorious for having some of the shittiest office 'busywork' in the world.

>>90626064
this
only nijisisters are defending their own shitty company. Holofans are here for talents

>>90622867
Even >reddit turned on management, what are you talking about?

>>90622752
Cover managment didn't screw Mori over, it was her brand collab partners' managment.
Firstly DC and Warner Bros screwed her by making Sudio Wit redo the Go-Getters MV because DC has autism about DC and nonDC characters interacting, hench why Mori and Harley are never in the same universe during the MV.
Then ASSC screwed her over by not getting her merch that the Donmai MV was suppost to promote out at the MVs launch. She even delayed the MV for weeks for it but even then the merch didn't come out on time. Hell the merch still isn't out and it's a just a fucking hoodie.

>>90622752
The IRyS one has a lot of proofs, but they were from 2021-2022, the omega and HIS project hope team era. The project hope team in general were horrible to her, to the point that she had to go to psychologists and wrote a "suicide" letter to the team that she ended up using to create "Gravity", read the lyrics and you can already imagine what that letter contained. Before, she had a male manager from the omega team who was horrible to her, he ignored her, forced her to work on stupid things, they argued often, he disappeared for seasons, general mistreatment. Nobody knows how, but IRyS ended up passively winning because the entire project hope team died and omega went to hell, they kicked out her manager and gave her a girl who likes butler cafes and with whom she communicates every week and loves working with, the management knelt before her multiple times giving her advantages and making her appear in official streams of the company as an apology. She went from having the maximum yab in her hands to being a holo supremacist who has management in the palm of her hand

>>90630495
After all these + plus dealing with UMG's bullshit, her issue with Cover probably seems like child's play in comparison

>>90630964
Imagine having "management" that ghosts you for more than week regularly.

>>90624093
May not have to wait long given how fed up Altare is sounding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JriW70Tg5w0

>>90624143
>Mori "I'm happy with management" Calliope
>Hoshimachi "don't blame management" Suisei
Sounds awfully familiar

Pekora talked about it pretty openly on her recent stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gju-bb2vGcA

she said that while it's true that she felt that way about the management, she has no intention of quitting at the moment

>>90633006
They have actual careers even though its in disgusting idolshit.

>>90633006
oh so the graduates just have a skill issue

got it

In my head, I read every hololive anti post in an indian accent

>>90633526
So does Ina, and it isn't idolshit.
She enjoys the idol side though, but Fauna says she did too.

>>90622752
bae: also said she should have picked less projects to work on
fauna: true
aqua: also said that one of the main reasons is that shes a neet and doesnt want to keep seeing people and doing paperwork
kronii: kinda true but stated that she loves her personal manager, her disagreements are with high heads
gura: yes shes mia we dont have much beyond that
ina: true but her main frustrations were with the visa, she always shat on retarded management from time to time since the start
laplus: she was critical yet also defended management, shes on the fence or whatever
pekora: her manager never told her not to stream, but she did get frustrated when told that streaming is not their number 1 focus, she said that she didnt care and keep streaming and taking it easy
chloe: she also stated that management tried to be very accomodating but her health issues made even her lower work still overwhelming so she quit
mori: that was the UMG management that screwed her over with the suicide squad stuff not being done on time, nothing to do with Cover on that one
irys: true but her situation was worse before, now its better but not great

>>90622867
What's more crazy is how easily it was to dismiss each thing as a nothing burger because women. Also OP is casually forgetting a few people who were fired or left under circumstances that didn't allow for a big dirty graduation stream.

>>90622752
>>90633688 (me)
tldr: quite a lot of misinformation and half-truths there

>>90623268
Yes they were
You just didn't want to see it.
You were happy Niji was so bad because it gave you an excuse to deflect.

>>90633843
If niji hadn't been literally the cartoon of a villainous corpo the Hololive issues would have been easier to see.

>>90633843
BUT I CANT BE THE BAD GUY!!!
THEY HAVE TO BE THE BAD GUY!!!!!!!!

>>90622752
>gura members
she mostly complains about mixing

Members Stream: "it is time"
timestamp: 1:44:15

sorta serious tone of voice from gura - "I have this thing where i don't really like how I sound in music, and it's been that way for 4 years now. I much prefer how i sound when it's just me and my microphone and reverb. so I kind of prefer doing karaoke over anything that has to go through... multiple mixer hands. Yeah... cause... right away you can tell 'oh gee.. oh gees i can tell... and you guys can tell' and so... mixing is hard, i'm not gonna lie especially because i'm so picky because i know how I sound and how i want to sound or like... or like a problem i noticed a lot I'll have vibrato on a certain part, then I'll get a mix back and the vibrato will be flattened and removed and i have to say "hey, why did we do that? can we not do that? i would like that... That was a stylistic choice! That was not done... that was not a mistake! That was a stylistic choice, please revert! REVERT! so... Music too loud? Wait in the mixes, the music is always too loud, I've realized in the music today the music is always too loud. so I waste my time asking to fix this, like "hey.. i'm listening to the vocals here"

so... yeah um... i don't know.. and then it's usually... um... *cute shork noises for about 10 seconds with some giggles* yeah, music too loud, i've noticed that in a lot of music in general, is that a... new style? like the anime sound... whos that one sound guy, in anime and he just makes everything bass-boosted to the point where it all sounds like it's peaking but that's the stylistic choice. everything is like suuuuuper loud (she's giggling here) to the point of distortion?"

nerdy gura voice "urm... akshually gura loud is funny"
normal happy gura voice "sometimes!"

and she wanders off on a tangent.

>>90633749
>big dirty graduation stream
OK troglodyte explain what makes graduation streams dirty. would love to see the logic of a genuine subhuman

>>90634138
>Music too loud? Wait in the mixes, the music is always too loud, I've realized in the music today the music is always too loud. so I waste my time asking to fix this, like "hey.. i'm listening to the vocals here"
Huh. So it's not just the non Holos I watch that have this problem but Holos too? Weird.

>>90634224
I don't need to. Go look at anybody else who thinks graduation streams are manipulative hollow money milking streams when the talent just crops right back up a week later on another avatar. They. Are. Disgusting.

>>90634514
>Go look at anybody else who thinks graduation streams are manipulative
if I wanted to see a bunch of monkeys I would go to the zoo

>>90622752
HoloEN is a mistake. Bunch of lazy whores blaming the management for their laziness.

>>90634847
6 Holos have left this year, and only 2 are EN.

>>90634720
Continue to deflect, NeoNijisis.

>>90623507
Youtube kneecapped choco so fucking hard, can't really fault cover for that one.

they probably don't care for her double dipping.

>>90635162
6 lazy whores yeah.

>>90633927
Anon, we were warning you that they were just as bad as Nijisanji for weeks and months.
And every time, Holodrones deflected and didn't listen. Now here we are. With 4 talents leaving for mostly the same reason and probably more to come.

>>90635472 (me)
*ALMOST as bad
The suicide thing is still an all timer

>>90635207
God I can't wait until you newfags fuck off from this hobby

>>90623121
I've been subbing to ex-niji and holos that I like and I'm waiting for more to leave

>>90635472
My sister, all of these things happening to hololive are bad, and a sign of bad things behind the scenes, but fauna isn't announcing her graduation in tears sounding broken, demoralized and considering abandoning all content creation.

>>90626941
Yeah the fact that iroha has stress induced mute-ness and still got hauled out to do the stream made a big impression on me.

>>90635528
sister some people leaving due to management differences is not the same as selen not getting paid for a year + bullied behind the scenes + pushed to suicide + terminated while still in the hospital + attacked and made fun of by the other nijis + thrown under the bus by the niji official statement list of grudges + black screen tripling down on their attacks against her

>>90635817
>>90635472

>>90635618
>all of these things happening to hololive are bad, and a sign of bad things behind the scenes
Glad we agree
No earthly idea what the fuck the rest of what you wrote had to do with anything I said but since we're pointing out random things, Bananas are a good source of potassium.

>>90635936
Because you didn't say "bad things are happening in hololive. You said "Hololive is almost as bad as Nijisanji", to which I can only say
lol
lmao

>>90635817
>Still playing /v/ style console wars even now
Genuinely hopeless. You deserve everything that's happening.

>>90636068
I'm not gonna say 2+2 = 5 just because they're all numbers.

>>90636068
these absolutely retarded attempts of tangential dodging smell an awful lot like that schizo ennacuck.

>>90635585
I'll easily outlive you. Once you have to come to grips with your beloved brand turning out to be just as bad as Nijisanji, you'll hang yourself in shame. I promise not to use you as a pinata.

>>90636179
>outlive
are you sure about that? how much was it that you spend on each russian bot again? 100$ per session?

>>90636068
BUT I DONT WANT TO WATCH INDIES BECAUSE I CANT CONTROL THEM!!

kek xhes back to samefagging now

>>90636179
>newfag thinks I care about cover
as long as my oshi is in it it's good no matter how many other people leave
if she leaves I will watch her and not post on this dogshit board.
simple as.
have fun having retarded slap fights with other/vt/tatds

>>90636123
I literally said Nijisanji is worse because of the terrible way they handled the suicide attempt but your brain locked onto the fact that I dared to compare Hololive to Nijisanji and you're focused only on that so there's genuinely no point in conversing with you if you're just going to play tribal console wars and talk about semantics.
All I'll say is my oshi was treated like dogshit in Nijisanji and I have zero allegiance to them. I want NijiEN to die. But you can believe whatever you wanna believe, mate.

>>90635936
>bad
copany wants to do X, but I want to do Y so let's part ways.

that's how the world work retard

>>90636533
again, a toddler lies better than you do, ennacuck

>>90629807
It's not even forced to do idol shit, it's force to shill random shit. It's sad to see talented entertainers like Korone or Pekora being contractured obligated to shill fucking hamburgers.

>>90623682
Some people on the other hand make their identity hating others

>>90622752
after cover went public there was no going back, I have no idea if anything on OPs post is 100% true but stakeholders are scum and making good decision is not part of the job so they are just extremely greedy and retarded
now that the age of hololive is coming to an end is indie the only way forward? i guess but I hate twitch so fucking much I don't want to go back to watching streams on that shit site

>>90638357
Twitch is dying too and actively implements policies to fuck over vtubers. Anyone worth giving a fuck about is on youtube or multistreams to youtube in addition to twitch.

>>90638357
>after cover went public
why would company full of streamers even need to go public? they dont need any investment money.
the girls just need a computer to stream on. the girls dont even need a company except maybe to promote them, and there are promoting companies out there, who dont micromanage every single decision of your life, they just promote you.

>>90639320
The reason Cover had to go part public was because of investors demanding a return on their investment. From what I remember the money was needed for the construction of the 3D studio.

>>90630254
People already spinning it as "they had a problem with management because they were lazy"

>easiest job in the world
>still quits
why are women like this???

>>90639721
>people
Anon those are trolls. Aw hell, you zoomies will never understand...

>>90623121
>But what can you realistically do if you're on the outside?
Make a stir and tell management to stop with the fucking homework that's killing their brand and our oshis.

>>90622867
I defend them cause they brought us Holostars

>>90623458
>Their job is play video games.
so then why does management keep them from playing video games, retardo-kun?

>>90623458
What do you think "disagreement with management" refers to

They're trying to take away their video games, faggot

>>90639459
cover makes fucking billions upon billions of dollars, how much money have seed investors poured into them pre-IPO? hundreds of millions, maybe? cover is literally always in the green, they wouldn't even need to cut holoearth to start making money back

>>90622867
every single person with a job has had issues with the way things are done. i don't know why you people expect this to be any different? it's even more likely to happen here since this is creative work and their employer is an autistic japanese corporation. i'd be more surprised if someone said they've never had an issue after working at a corporation for half a decade. like come the fuck on, lol

What is it that investors are forcing that is running off JPs and ENs that ID is immune to?

>>90639459
So then give them their return and buy them out? Isn't it only something like a 10 or 12% of shares are held outside of the company + Yagoo? And that's post IPO, Cover could have taken spending a couple quarters or even a years worth of profits on cutting off a tumor that's literally killing their company, but instead Yagoo made up this bullshit about how he "HAD" to do this or sell the company.

>>90641118
>management cares more about some members of JP than the entirety of EN

>>90640549
IDs aren't immune, they just have poverty nipping at their heels to keep them from acting.

>>90641201
okay but what about this?
Concerning dont you think?

>>90622752
GURA IS NOT BURNT OUT SHE IS JUST LAZY
>GURA IS NOT BURNT OUT SHE IS JUST LAZY
GURA IS NOT BURNT OUT SHE IS JUST LAZY
>GURA IS NOT BURNT OUT SHE IS JUST LAZY
GURA IS NOT BURNT OUT SHE IS JUST LAZY

>>90622752
Mori and Laplus aren't true at all.

>>90641387
This is fake because Mio-sha has been all natural since she was born, that bush has never once been trimmed. Source: I breathe it in every single morning.

Reminder: a revised version of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was once a best seller in Japan as a aspirational business book. This is 100% true.

>>90623503
The managers are retards BUT women are also useless, both can be true.

>>90641118
her recent posts on twitter are also well and truly so far up management's ass that it's offputting. but yeah, the talents that are willing and able to go in the company's new direction get treated better than the one's that aren't. shocking

>>90637521
NTA but those faggots are just as bad so don't think many people would defend those faggots any more.

>>90638850
>Twitch is dying too
Any day now, right? Two weeks is it? But soon for sure, surely soon.

>>90629807
Have to ask why join in the first place? We all knew Japanese copyright laws were retarded half a decade ago. Probably more if you were familiar with Japan.

>>90640689
>So then give them their return and buy them out?
They have to want to sell, anon.

>>90642914
That's a really dumb question, anon.

>>90642914
Most, if not all, of the girls who joined pre-Council, both in JP and EN, just wanted to make friends and stream as their day job

>>90641201
Yea, seeing all the JP members go on twitter and on stream to defend Cover makes sense because their working circumstances are completely different from EN. I'd probably do the same if people shat on my company based on working conditions in the overseas branch

>>90623831
>>90623923
>>90629807
>>90640099
>>90640153
Ermmm… sometimes they have to play games they don’t like!!!! The patriarchy must be abolished!!’

>>90642914
well, while the law was a pain, it didn't really become a major issue until the whole konami vs mio thing. second, even considering the perms nonsense, when a lot of these girls joined, it was widely considered to be stream first, idol second. if at all. now that they know that events and merch are more profitable, that's changing

>>90642914
Because Hololive was a company focused around streaming.

>>90643233
>just wanted to make friends and stream as their day job
No, they wanted to make money and stream as their day job. Nobody joins a massive vtuber company to make friends, they do it for the paycheck and/or popularity first and foremost. Friends comes second.

>>90643514
But they weren't at first. They have not once paved a trail for anything. They started out making videos like Kizuna Ai and then switched to streaming when Nijisanji did it. Now they're just turning themselves into an idol agency. They are just a chameleon that changes to match something that is already there.

>>90643323
You have to be 18 or over to post on this site.

>>90643514
>>90643436
Funny. Hololive was always portrayed as Yagoos failed attempt at making an idol company like AKB48. Could have seen that coming.

>>90643646
>But they weren't at first.
Nobody is talking about or gives a shit about pre-gen 1 hololive, because gen 1 was where the standard of what hololive ended up being was set.
>They started out making videos like Kizuna Ai and then switched to streaming when Nijisanji did it.
However, both of these statements are lies. Sora was unique in the fact that she streamed once or twice a week in 2017, Siro was one of the few other people who did that, and I'm not going to post the image or regale you what the tale of what happened at the end of that year because clearly you're a historian/someone who lived through it, right?

>>90633006
Right?
The ones that don't see issue are generally the ones more inclined to do sponsorship shit, to do ads, to do tie-ins.
Everyone else is silently, or very openly, frustrated.
You can hear it in their voices, you can hear it in their topics, or you can directly hear it via their complaints or cancelled projects.

It's fucking shit to see where Hololive is right now man.
Things have never been perfect, but these struggles are a very different kind of struggle. It's a completely artificial struggle that simply doesn't need to exist.
Management overhead is always a cancer. Always. The more layers of middle management there are, the worse a company gets for everyone BUT those managers.

>>90643646
Sora being a streamer for like half a year before nijisanji was even a thing was literally her selling point and a cornerstone of the most influential event in vtubing history, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>90643916
>However, both of these statements are lies.
No they were intentional gross generalizations because I really did not want to get down to the minutae with an autist. Sora streamed a couple of times a week? Okay but that didn't mean HOLOLIVE was a streaming agency. That didn't come until later. What I said was generally true. You can be right all you want with the minor details I don't care.

>>90644140
I think he's off his meds or some shit.
The only thing Nijisanji popularized to any extent was Live2D use.
2Dhater is doing 1080s in his grave. F

>>90643779
key wording there being failed. anon they made an entire gen called "GAMERS." yeah that's totally not alluding to being a streamer first organization, is it?

>>90633006
>2 soulless workaholics
No wonder Kaela is happy too, she doesn't sleep.

>>90644221
>Sora streamed a couple of times a week? Okay but
What do you mean "okay but"? That was unheard of back then. These aren't minor details, they're the biggest possible details.

>>90644506
Maybe to you jackasses. Streaming was not alien outside of Japan. No, not even for vtubers was it odd. Only in Japan.

>>90644596
>No, not even for vtubers was it odd.
In 2017 it was. Seriously anon, why are you still posting?

>>90644324
>2Dhater
I haven't heard that name in three thousand years. I hope he's still posting blackai in those threads and throwing hissy fits.

>>90644484
Who knows. But it was no secret that he wanted an idol group, and ReGLOSS was actually a very strong move toward that idea.

>>90644708
See? Autists. Never engage with autists. Always they have a way out.

>>90624053
I love the poorly educated

>>90644596
you care to post any of those en early vtuber streamers?

>>90630964
any proof of her talking about that?

>>90644857
What do you mean a way out? The conversation was literally talking about 2017, when Sora started. Unless the implication here is that Hololive as a whole only started with gen 1, in which case the statement of "they switched" doesn't apply because they fucking started as streamers. There is absolutely no world in which you're right.

>>90644824
i don't necessarily disagree with you there. the DEV_IS project debuted just over a year ago. you can't really say that was the writing on the wall and blame earlier gens for being pissed about the direction of the company shifting.

>>90644786
I don't think he is, but the Nijisperg is still crying about Hololive literally just hours ago, 13 hours ago.
I admire his dedication. kek

The truth:

>2023 Apr 14, Gura messages in pre-chat "I'll do what I can when I can": https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/realtime/supana/FA8FJcgCWdM.html
>2023 Aug 1, Mori commented on some whiskey next to merch of Gura, saying to keep it away from Gura implying that Gura is abstaining from alcohol:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AJ_1b4yxfQo&t=47m53s

Number of streams Gura did in December of 2022 to November of 2023:
>Dec: 3
>Jan: 0
>Feb: 2
>Mar: 4 + 1 member
>Apr: 5 + 1 member
>May: 2 + 1 member
>Jun: 1
>Jul: 7
>Aug: 9
>Sep: 3
>Oct: 0
>Nov: 1

The baby was born sometime in October of 2023. This means she conceived in January. In both those months she streamed 0 times. Pregnant women experience mood swings each trimester. You can see by the rate of streams that her stream output rises and falls every 3 months. There are 3 periods of low stream output with 2 periods of high stream output between each.

In her later stream, she talks about owning a "baby" book of The Hobbit, emphasizing "baby", and talks about "passing it down to ...(she hesitates to say 'my child' for a second because she doesn't want to admit to being a mother)... down the lineage":
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Eg1I7rOfU2A&t=1h10m15s

>>90635313
>HOWCANSHESLAP?!

>>90645067
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that Yagoo wanted an idol company according to his own statement. It's such a well known statement by him that his failure to achieve his idols is a meme.
If he did actually start pivoting toward idolshit, it wouldn't be surprising since we know what he wants.

>>90645250
youre still posting this shit? SEAniggers...

>>90629393
That's survivor's guilt, dumbass

>>90622752
you should add blue homo to the list after he was shitting on cover last night for being incompetent and "not giving anyone proper support for these past 2 years"

>>90645493
i think from a talent's perspective, it is kind of surprising. especially on the EN side of things. while we know about yagoo's initial ambitions, it's literally been a meme for years. his dream was dead.

besides, surpise aside, the bottom line is that when they were initially contracted, the expectations were different. it's the same at any job, really. if you're hired to do something and suddenly, months or years later, they start totally subverting those expectations, there's a fair chance you'll want to leave unless it's moving in a direction you like

>>90646433
>Get free mocap suit
>Complain it took too long
Homos should earn their place like the girls first. I might attack Cover for the girls but I will never side with whiny homos

>>90646433
https://youtu.be/JriW70Tg5w0

>>90635313
>how hard could flying a plane be, they just sit in a chair for hours
lazy people see laziness in everyone else

>>90622867
>Burn Cover to the ground
>That will save the girls from themselves
It’s funny how transparent this shit is. Fauna wasn’t happy and she left, no strings attached. She’s even gonna go back to streaming as an indie shortly after she graduates.

What is the problem here? What’s the catastrophe? The rest of the girls have the option of leaving at any time and they haven’t. I will continue to support them no matter what you hopeless faggots say.

>>90623458
Based and truthpilled

>>90646487
Well, I didn't say I find it odd that people are leaving if there has been a pivot toward a different direction (whatever that direction is). All I can do at this is shrug. I don't know where they are going or why.

>>90622752
Any clips about Souten ni Moyu's delayed release probably counts too
She won't graduate over that though. It'll be when she doesn't want to stream anymore or feels like she's getting too old for it

>>90628795
Oh man, the JP Office Corpo autism is fully setting in... isn't it? I thought they would be different and pivot away from that in the previous years but I think the suits and public money is forcing them to lose their uniqueness...

>>90635936
Anon, Niji is more of an extreme example than the other. That's what he meant. Unlike Niji, people leaving Holo aren't a shell of a husk or feeling completely broken leaving an abusive home. I hate Cover but I won't hate as much as Niji, yet

>>90622752
anyone with a functional brain can see the enshittification happening before us

>>90648041
streaming is a dying market but streaming is what these girls have done and want to do over anything else.

>>90623458
>Their job is play video games.
Tell the higher-ups that.

Yagoo you stupid fuck

>>90646433
>add a homo
lol lmao.
no subsided faggots allowed here.

>>90622752

>>90623121
Don't interact at all. No more spending money. No more watching streams. Don't even watch clips.

>>90644987
It came to me in a dream.

>>90623121
How about you get out of your basement, make some money, and buy all of the stock? Become a major shareholder and hold it over Cover's head.

>>90648104
No it isn't, they are moving away from streaming because streamers are impossible to retain once they hit a certain level of popularity. As a publicly traded company you have to minimise that risk.

its kind of ironic though because pre-empting that risk only makes it inevitable when you piss of all the people who wanted to stream.

>>90622752

>mumei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaDAABgW9i4

>>90648041
man, it says it right there in plain writing. they're switching to a revenue structure of IP companies. it's probably beneficial for their plan to get about 3 good years out of someone and then to push them out via the affiliate status. that way the IP has a solid backbone and they can continue to milk it without having to give much to the creator that gave it life.

maybe the reason kronii is so bad at shilling isn't because she's actually bad at it, but it's a fuck you to the company

>>90654633
kind of weird to shift to an IP focused company in leu of streaming when those IP are based on streaming. who is going to buy merch of a retired employee.

>>90654863
idiots will

>>90635472
cuz they are literally sisters who worship a different corpo

>>90623129
>in the past

>>90622752
Gura's best song Full Color has yet to see the light of day beyond the preview during a concert.
Mori covered it during the 3D concert.
It's a truly great song yet it's held up in production for reasons unknown.
The same writer for Full Color also did the personal fan made goodbye song for Watson.
The current rrat for it is that they just don't like the guy for whatever reason and wanted to use other writers so now they just aren't going to release it.

/vt/ thinks that nijisanji is just shit because it's nijisanji, but in reality it's all japanese companies.
They all act like this, just most are better at hiding their shit than others.
They all play favorites and will hold up anything in the sake of "officialness".
https://files.catbox.moe/mnv9q1.mp4

>>90654863
>>90655048
We don't call them "Holodrones" because we're just mean bitter assholes.

>>90629807
>Can't play japanese games because... REASONS
is not their fault Sony literally bans them from playing some games

>>90652872
This is the only way.

JP sluts should shut up they clearly don't have the same problems. If they have issue with the management they can just visit the office

>>90647122
If Fauna wasn’t happy and chose to leave, it’s entirely valid. People evolve, and their personal and professional priorities shift over time. Deciding to graduate and move on is likely a decision she made with careful consideration.

>>90644987
About what? she talked about the letter before, but if you want to find the last time she talked about it go to the Mori melo radio o that music podcast in her channel with IRyS. The manager thing is already known by everyone, go to the archives and go look for the full story. She said that before she thought she was gonna last max 1 or 2 years in hololive and the project hope story should also be really easy to find, like in the promise explanation videos. The advantages from hololive are her 3D panties (unironically) and go to the holoEN and hololive offiicial channel, you might see a someone really frequently in the thumbnails. I'm not gonna do the job for you, but it's easy to find, just warosu or watch clips

>>90646622
He made his own 3D studio like Ame

>>90624007
>he fell for the falseflag king

>>90654863
Streaming is really really not profitable for a company.

I don't think it's even possible for most streamers to turn it into a big business in most cases. They end up doing merch or buying other business to survive.
Even if there are millionare indie streamers, it's not something that can be engineered and controlled the same way a classic business like a factory can.
It's a very limited career, youtubers and streamers have a short shelf life, with most quitting after a decade at most, no matter the amount of viewers they have. It's kind of pointless to invest on them.

It's not like a manufacturing company or a restaurant or making movies. Streamers are very risky, with one leaked DM away from losing millions in investment.

Holo was in bad shape so yagoo decided to steer to IPs to save the company, so that worked. Of course, you might hate that, but let's consider an alternate timeline:
>Holo focuses on being a pure streaming company -> the girls are forced to stream a set amount of hours and make a set amount of supas -> they burn out and stop streaming.
If you want a big company, the only solution is to not put streaming first.

So the only choices are to keep it small with little profit, but more flexibility. Or sell out and grow. I think keeping it small is morally better, but fans are also number monkeys so there is no pleasing everyone.

>>90656109
>im gonna say something and not be able to back it up
>you want a source? hahaha find it yourself

the laziest pajeet

>>90656385
Oh yeah, they don't burn out now.

>>90655585
>for reasons unknown
Isn't that the song she was referring to in the members stream leak in which she said she was frustrated with mixing issues?

>>90633688
>irys: true but her situation was worse before, now its better but not great
Irys has been robbed her entire fucking career by cover.
Literally the battered wife of Hololive.

>>90622752
Bae is a naturally anxious person so she probably gets panic attacks relatively often.

>>90622867
It's always been known that the girls were worked like dogs.
The reason people didn't 'have a problem' with it, is because the girls get paid really well for it.

>>90655048
For a couple months, maybe. But this isn't 2018 anymore, people will either follow their oshi into their next life or they'll stop caring about her entirely.

There simply isn't a market for One Year Later goods.

>>90656956
They burn out for a more profitable reason.

Either way, the point is that you can be happy and small, or burned out and profitable. The inevitable fate of anyone who wants to stay happy and streaming is to quit and be casual about it.

>>90656385
>Holo focuses on being a pure streaming company -> the girls are forced to stream a set amount of hours and make a set amount of supas -> they burn out and stop streaming.
Why would streaming more but doing less automatically mean burnout? There's an argument that could be the case, but that case immediately falls apart when you look next door at literally any other even semi-major company and see how they have people who have almost nothing but streaming and continuing to mostly keep to schedules.
Homework is the problem dude. It always has been. No one else has the issue Hololive has.

>>90657589
This is very true. She had a severe panic attack backstage of BD and other holos had to console her

>>90657963 (me)
>No one else has the issue Hololive has.
Let me add an addendum to this because I know some faggot will use it as a "gotcha!".
>No one else has this issue Hololive has to this degree.

>>90657911
>Either way, the point is that you can be happy and small, or burned out and profitable.
But that's not true at all. The term "profitable" does not mean "makes hundreds of thousands", "profitable" means "you made more then you spent" and "can potentially use that for further investments". For example, I'd say easily 50% of 3view+ indies have a higher profit margin than any Hololive talent, but they make at most maybe 10% of what a Hololive member does. But they're still immensely profitable.

>>90657963
>Why would streaming more but doing less automatically mean burnout?

Because all big streamers eventually quit. It's a very emotionally draining career and to keep the numbers up you have to keep spinning wheels, or accept to not keep growing. It's not like a chef or a doctor in which expertise equals a better salary and benefits.

The moment you get old and boring and "not with it", that career is over. This is not specifically about holo. But cover saw this writing on the wall and decided to focus on IP and merchandise.

That includes all companies, the bigger streamers always end up scaling back, even if they don't have to do the holo homework. Remove all the homework and management, and there is a point in which streamers will stop caring or find some other more profitable and easier job.

>>90658233
>he term "profitable" does not mean "makes hundreds of thousands", "profitable" means "you made more then you spent"
This is true. And that applies to paying the minimum wage salary of the managers, the rent of the buildings, expenses. Etc. Streaming alone is very cheap.

However, streaming while trying to sustain a whole company is simply too expensive. It has never worked unless there is outside investors and merch deals.

So it's either keep growing forever or stop worrying about numbers, not stream and maybe go indie. Or keep grinding and growing forever while selling merch and sponsors. This is why there has been so many graduations, and there will keep being as the years go by.

>>90658640
It's telling how you ignored the meat of the post just to repeat your retarded rrat about how streamers view streaming. Also the reddit spacing and bootlicking.

>>90623121
>I doubt anyone's defending cover management.
There is a lot of bootlickers on reddit and twitter defending Cover, when 4 talents leave in the span of four months, there is clearly something wrong with the company, not the other way around.

>>90658792
I don't bootlick, I don't simp for any company, and I doubt many will survive a decade without shifting away from streaming even more.

>>90658640
>all big streamers eventually quit
>that means if you stream more you'll quit sooner
Start holding your breath for the fifteen minutes and you'll live fifteen minutes longer!

>>90623896
That's because they were young and new, not older and jaded.

>>90658923
>I don't bootlick
>Remove all the homework and management, and there is a point in which streamers will stop caring or find some other more profitable and easier job.
Sounds like to me you believe that Cover are the people keeping them streaming when we've seen for fucking years that it's the opposite. Homework is and always has been one of the biggest issues everyone has had.

>>90622752
Sounds like they're just lazy. Note how you don't see Kiara on this list.

>>90656385
Almost every other sentence in this post is wrong.
You are a retarded tourist.

>Streaming is really really not profitable for a company.
Streaming is insanely profitable for the top 0.1%, which hololive is.
Every stream can result in roughly 10k.
Big events can go upward of 50k.
Streaming twice a week results more in 1 month than most people will make in years.

Selen was making 200k per year.
This is after YouTube and Nijisanji took their cut.
And Selen isn't on the same level as Hololive.

>it's not something that can be engineered and controlled the same way a classic business like a factory can.
Most talents are not entertaining. They are just there.

>It's a very limited career, youtubers and streamers have a short shelf life, with most quitting after a decade at most
Yeah let's take a look at Shiori, Nyanners, Jim, Jack, Pewdiepie, etc.
They all died out after a few years of success.
Your insight is not as smart as you think, most people quit and change jobs, some change fields.
People retire.

>It's not like a manufacturing company or a restaurant or making movies. Streamers are very risky, with one leaked DM away from losing millions in investment.
Snow White begs to differ. Almost every industry is like this. The point is vetting your people, which hololive does.

>If you want a big company, the only solution is to not put streaming first.
Or do something actually intelligent, and put Streaming first with a secondary focus on idol activities, which is what made them big in the first place.

>>90659626
This. It is in fact so profitable that people make so much money they can retire.

>>90659626
>The point is vetting your people, which hololive does.
This is basically the only point of contention in this entire post, otherwise I agree.

>>90640248
>cover makes fucking billions upon billions of dollars
They don't.

>>90656385
Holo is a hilariously sustainable business model if you don't account for le infinite growth meme that being a publicly traded company entails.
>streaming requires effectively 0 overhead, generates nothing but pure profit for the streamer and the company
>merch is all made to order, pays for itself
>cover owns their own 3D studio space they could literally just rent out for free money
>brand deals cost the company nothing
Not to mention most big streamers that end up retiring do it after flipping their streaming career into a source of passive income, not because it's unsustainable.

>>90623121
the best course is to give a middle finger to their "new direction".
>Don't support / watch / buy / engage with anything dev_is or flowglow related. Ignore and downvote all the weirdo non gamer related sponsor collabs. And constantly push the "go back to a private company" narrative.

>>90622752
>>90622867
NIJISEETHE

>>90660074
>infinite growth meme that being a publicly traded company entails
a million times this. this is the exact problem with being publicly traded. it's not enough to make money hand over fist. you have to be perpetually making more than you did last year. a company can make a billion dollars in pure profit, but if next year they make 900 million, it's viewed as a failure.

hololive had easy money as a streaming first organization, but as always, greed made them go the route of infinite growth

>>90660074
The only reason why any changes are happening is because they're retards who genuinely believe they need to hire anymore than roughly two and a half men for each talent. A manager, tech support, and some kind of outsourced project/marketing teams for merch and the like covers basically everything that you'd need to make infinite money. The overhead is entirely and explicitly only the salary of the people you have, a cost that altogether would only be... let's say $50,000x200. maintaining the studio and lights in the office which certainly isn't a multi-million dollar endeavor, and a buffer of cash to pay for merch.

Genuinely, what else does Cover, or any vtuber company, ever actually need to do aside from let their talents rake in the supa and voice pack money?

>>90623503
Yes flying half the planet and training like in fucking work camp so Cover can have a 3 minute segment with you in their latest shitty concert is so amazing right?

>>90622752
Wasn't the Bae thing like years ago??? I remember seeing a clip like that but I don't watch her so idk if it's recurring
Also, the post vastly overlooks Gura's health issues which might heavily influence her situation

>>90661236
Being an alcoholic isn't a health issue, it's a choice.

>>90661236
the panic attack on stream was, but she semi-frequently talks about how difficult her day to day is with all the rehearsing, dance lessons, etc.

that being said, bae is one of the ones that fits with the new direction, and despite her complaining, it seems that she likes it overall

>>90661236
No? It happened after BD semi-recently.

>>90661507
>having panic attacks more than once a decade
>but she semi-frequently talks about how difficult her day to day is with all the rehearsing, dance lessons, etc.
>it seems that she likes it overall
Yeah, and Eroha is totally happy too.

>>90661190
best concert on the planet in vtubing, name better concert on any other vtuber company.

>>90661848
>it's okay to keep burning out and losing our talents if the concert is kino
Start doing cocaine now, you'll have the time of your life for the next 5 years.

>>90661848
What kind of stupid fucking logic is this? I care far more about my oshi actually being able to stream more than twice a week if that than I do about a 10 minute concert appearance. Maybe if it were the first concert or a sololive I'd feel it was worth it but in most cases the bad outweighs the good by several tons.

>>90661507
Bae would be having panic attacks no matter her career was. It’s just her personality. For what it’s worth, Fauna never had those and never really complained about the workload. I suspect the disagreement with management had nothing to do with being overworked.

>>90661848
Fuck concerts!

>>90662417
explicit overwork? probably not. the TYPE of work she has to do flipping? that's a lot more likely. say it was 70:30 streaming:idol work before, now they're telling her it'll be more like 70:30 idol:streaming work. even though she says she likes to sing and dance, that's not what she said her dream job is. streaming is.

>>90649891
>Don't interact at all. No more spending money. No more watching streams. Don't even watch clips.
This. I've been watching small corpos for more than a year and I'm very happy with them.

>>90662417
>Bae would be having panic attacks no matter her career was.
Got a source to back that up?

>>90623508
>earnings from streaming have not gone up significantly
so what? if they haven't gone down, then why change stuff and risk them going down (which they will)?
this is the problem with public companies.

>>90664088
STOP NOTICING THINGS!!!!

>>90623458
>permissions
no it's not, lmfao.

>>90629257
the NPC stream was a real trend to farm donations on tiktok. This is the classic public company dilemma where the goals of the investors clash with the well being of the employees and customer satisfaction. The streamers are the face of the company. If they're not happy to the point of quitting and simply returning to their indie accounts, what the fuck are these morons in upper management doing????

Dunno, but let's be real, VTubing has peaked in the West.

Even if everything is great, I can imagine someone Fauna simply feeling like she has done enough and got enough case already.

Calli is being groomed as the bottom bitch on the EN side. Of course she has no problems with management, because her current thriving music career is only thanks to her career at Cover. It just kind of makes me sick that she's not so subtly going against the grain compared to the holomems who've left, explicitly citing irreconcilable disagreements with the company's new direction.

>>90667156
They treat Mori like a queen because she's the favorite.

>>90659131
Kiara has complained/shat on management more than the rest of the EN branch combined, so that "they're lazy!" angle doesn't work.

>>90640393
Like 95% of the people here don't think this is a "real" job or that all they have to do is sit their ass down and stream, when it is apparent it isn't.

While I don't think this means Cover is a black company like Nijisanji, it just makes me wonder what the fuck management is doing, or not doing, to make talent quit. I am surprised Ina didn't quit after the Visa shit. Sadly I don't think actual discussion of this will be possible because the overwhelming majority of Hololive fans here outright believe shit like
>Cover good because all their rules are the only way these women are enjoyable to watch

Maybe once more talent leaves we'll see what's what.

>>90626941
Well, this doesn't sound good at all.

I guess the good times when growth was easy are over, but shareholders still want more.

>>90644987
https://youtu.be/YafupnTrtAc?si=jiE5tIXZmtq1GCg2
close enough?

>>90660074
>if you don't account for le infinite growth meme
Funny how we do have to account for that.

>>90622867
Lol nobody is. Quit trying to turn this into a fiasco on nijis scale. Even if cover goes down, we still won't watch your clique.

>>90622752
It's all true but in a good amount of said cases, the girls signed up to do something (because the offers come to them and COVER) and they didn't expect it to be that much work.
Bae is a special case, she's overworking herself because this is her "golden opportunity", which has led to her developing panic issues. I can't blame her, more than one person would grind themselves down to the bone to make their name and legacy as big as possible while Hololive is still at the top, no, they don't think it's going to collapse, but there's no guarantee it won't.
>"It won't collapse
Burguers used to say the same about immobiliary businesses in 2008.
Welp...

>>90622752
>Pekwhora making excuses for her creative bankruptcy and falling CCV
Don't care about the others, just lazy shitters with Western mentality. You can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. Bitch.

>>90663948
>>90662417
Bae just feels "off" if she's not attempting to reach greater heights. She doesn't want to be at the top, she just feels left out if she's not being competitive.
She would grind herself down no matter what she worked at, because that's her thing. Working until it affects her, but knowing she's "getting on the level" is what keeps her going.
It's the type of personality that complains about not doing anything on-vacation.
The type of girl that would implode after weeks of not doing anything, she can't really stay still, but not in the spastic way, we are talking the PRODUCTIVE way. Mori is kinda like that but even more self-destructive even.
Love me some workaholic aussie rrat (it's going to get her killed one day)
Would press.

>>90667263
I’d treat Mori like a queen too if I was managing EN. Just the chance to be in the same room as those massive titties got me sweatin.

>>90667156
All the en holos' careers are thanks to Cover except maybe Gura

>>90622752
sus

>>90672379
Gura wouldn’t have become a millionaire without Cover

>>90624143
Girls like Mori, IRyS, and Kiara actively want to be idols so the new direction probably doesn't bother them too much

>>90622752
All of those graduations are from a bunch of nothing burgers that figured out they can leave Hololive after making money and keeping their followers (and more importantly, money). Hololive would throw all of them into the trash bin ten times over if they had to choose between them and Suisei, Gura, Miko, Pekora, etc. The only "bad" graduation was Aqua, but even she was "falling off" for some time before having to be "adopted" (rescued) by Marine and Suisei while artificially limiting stream time to have "HUGE 50k VIEWERS APEX LEGEND streams"
Everything you do on Hololive isn't news for anyone (and 90% of Hololive members) unless you're a literal retard. "W-what? I have to sing and dance to work for the virtual Idol company? No way!" "A company (and even worse, a japanese one) needs permission to play video games? Aieee!"
Just check what the (now) indies are playing: Squirrel with a Gun, Yakiniku Simulator, Liar's Bar. Really?

>>90656669
I posted all the things that you have to do to find them, if you're so lazy to even do that, then just end your life, I'm not spoonfeeding someone in the catalog because it's full of retards that are gonna take out of context everything to keep doing threads

>>90622752
>Gura is AWOL because the management clique is jealous and sabotaging her
It all makes sense now.

>>90622752

>>90622752
>bae overworked to the point of panic attacks
>kronii 4 hours of work max
It's a shame that they are so racist against hakos.

>>90680136
>The only "bad" graduation was Aqua, but even she was "falling off" for some time before having to be "adopted" (rescued) by Marine and Suisei while artificially limiting stream time to have "HUGE 50k VIEWERS APEX LEGEND streams"
You can't learn Japanese.

>>90623851
It's a nepohire who thought they could get away with it, and they did.

>>90623851
I woulda raped that vampire too. I would’ve thought wrong and believed she was too stupid to say anything about it. That was his undoing.

Cover is going to be destroyed by its own managers because Japan is culturally incapable of terminating employees for incompetence.

>>90624143
Entertain this idea: the birds and ojisans in the offices are playing favorites based on how much a talent pulls in the money. Big number on chart means big respect. It's how they would get their own money within the company.
Otherwise, word of your visual likeness and salary spreads, then they collectively dishonor and shame you for being there for so long and not having a milly.
>えええ…?
They don't fear ignoring them or deferring their ass to the bottom of their stack.