/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

==REMINDER TO ALL MENHERA==
>M: Please don't get merch because you feel pressured or anything like that. DON'T do anything that you don't want to. We really mean it, okay?
>F: So you know, maybe you're like, "Oh, well, you know, maybe if I make a clip maybe more people will discover FUWAMOCO from there!" - it's true, but maybe you REALLY don't like video editing... Maybe don't that.
>M: However you want to, okay?
>F: You know, oshikatsu's supposed to be fun! You know, just tweeting, being loud -
>M: Being HERE with us!
>F: Yeah!
>M: That's all - that's MORE that we can ask for!
>F: Yeah, being like, "Ah! My best friend, you know, I REALLY like these vtubers called FUWAMOCO!". You know, those kinds of things, you know...
>M: So, please, don't feel like, "Oh, THIS Ruffian is doing all this and I'M not doing ANYTHING"...
>F: No. You know, oshikatsu is fun for everybody and ANYBODY!
>M: You should never feel like that, okay? So PLEASE don't compare yourselves to somebody else, okay?
>F: We just want you to have fun. You shouldn't feel pressure.
>M: We don't want you to disappear because of something, you know...
>F: Yeah, so, you know... if your smile's in trouble...
>*Both shake their heads*
>M: Just don't worry, we just want you to be here with us.
>F: Yeah, we wanna protect your smile and have fun together, Ruffians!
>M: You got it? It's not work! It should be FUN! We understand that you compare yourselves to others and stuff like that... SO THAT'S WHY WE SAY "DON'T"! We get it, you know? Because we felt it too before, okay? *reads chat message* You wish you could superchat more? IT'S OKAY! DON'T WORRY! We want you to have fun.
>F: And you know, it's the little things that count, too, you know. So, just sending a tweet like, "BAU BAU!" - that helps, you know?
>M: Yeah! Do what you can!
>F: "I'm on break right now, you know! I had a real delicious sandwich! FUWAMOCO, I had a delicious sandwich!" ... You know, it makes us happy to know that you're thinking about us cause sometimes, you know, we get a little bit lonely. Like, "are the Ruffians thinking about us...?"
>M: Please don't worry, okay? *reads chat message* You can't write well? It's OKAY! Don't worry about it!
>F: But it makes us really happy to know you're thinking about ways you can help us, Ruffians...
>M: We don't want you to get sad and be like, "I can't enjoy FUWAMOCO anymore because I compare myself to other Ruffians", okay?

Seriously speaking, if this continues, I can see them only staying at Cover for max 3 more years only to save up enough money to be able to survive in Japan while launching an indie career. No one wants to work at a ghost town.

>payday 2 advent collab
kek it's going to be so chaotic, I'm so ready for it

so that's what they wanted to talk about in mengen

>>90546613
Cover might end up adopting the Niji ACCELERATE approach to fill up these empty gaps

>>90546613
I just hope they don't get bait and switched with a VN and sololive again. Worst case is somehow it fucks their visa, surely they can stay even if they leave cover right?

What's the fuck is going in this company? That's concerning as fuck.
Never thought I'd say this, but I hope they have a plan b just in case.

>>90546877
I think that might be part of the reason they handled all of their moving stuff on their own, so if they ever leave Cover or in the unlikely scenario Cover goes kaput, their place is theirs alone.

>>90546452
these girls have a strong Japanese work ethic, and won't disappoint us like these rich spoiled en girls that can't handle a little hard work.

Maybe that's why Kuukiyomi was so much extra fun and kino... they wanted to really put the effort in to make us smile before the bad news

>>90546952
I think they honestly are going to mention their plan tomorrow about if the worst happens. It's getting that bad that I don't think just just saying g their doing their best and crying is gonna reassure anyone

>>90546452
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

>>90546677
Has it been confirmed? There is no way they're completing a heist. It's gonna be amazing kek

>>90547292
they actually did say they have stuff to talk about. Probably going to be them reassuring us they arent leaving any time soon or something like that

>>90547292
What plan? They certainly can't talk about a non-cover plan B like >>90546952 was talking about

Chloe definitely hits harder for me than Fauna, because I'm not a Promise fan. Fauna and Mumei especially felt like normie vtubers bringing in a normie audiece I didn't like. I do feel bad for saplings but FWMC never collabed with her.. I can't fake being sad. This departure doesn't feel as massive as Aqua

>>90546613
>ghost town
The only talents who are leaving are those who can't hack it. Advent and Justice knew what they were signing up for.

>>90547488
It's on Shio-chan's schedule from her gorilla stream today

>>90547616
Yeah I'm honestly glad Chloe is leaving, she was too whorish

>>90547747
Kino already secured for next week.

>>90547618
>those who can't hack it
there are people who can hack it, but things can change and maybe some things become more important than just staying and hacking it where you are.

It's that time again

>>90546825
Dev_is is a flop and Justice still barely there. ID4 is floating somewhere in the ether, probably won't happen.
If they keep losing high profile talents at this rate, the company is going to hurt hard.
Cover has basically based its whole strategy in lowering turnout as much as possible and turning the girls into profitable IPs. Even investors are going to see through the affiliate bullshit, they're stupid, but not THAT stupid.
Better pray that there's no big name graduation like Aqua in the next months because at this point it might be already BAUver.

>>90547920
Fauna is pregnant

>>90546952
If you don't know what Fuwamoco's plan b is by now after being posted in here for ages it's your own fault by this point honestly

>>90546952
I suppose that shift to more activities outside of streaming is true. Lapras and others were talking about it. For girls like FWMC and the bibs, it’s good but for those that want to mostly stream, it’s not. It’s sad to be honest but a shift was inevitable…

Affiliate status is making the talents more comfortable with graduating

Fauna was my second favorite... this really hurts.

>>90548261
Same anon, same

>>90548261
the world tree killed her love of minecraft

>>90548006
>Dev_is is a flop and Justice still barely there
all the top talents you are witnessing rn didn't get to where they are overnight. give them time to cook

>>90548261
My penis is sad

>>90546482
BAU for Mococo
BAU for Fuwawa

>>90548446
The tree will never be finished now...

>>90548473
No he's right, DEV_IS has had lower than expected debuts across the board. Although that's good since they're the normalfag Malecollabing gens. Justice speaks for itself.

FWMC WONT EVEN GET A CHANCE TO GET POPULAR ENOUGH TO DO A SOLOLIVE BECAUSE THEY GOT IN JUST WHEN HOLOLIVE IS STARTING TO FUCKING END

>>90548708
BAU for Fuwawa
BAU for Mococo

>>90548006
>>90548850
>Justice still barely there
>Justice speaks for itself
what are you talking about

>>90549044
They had the Scarlet Rot and a former Nijimale flirter on debut, they were never going to be successful. Speaks for itself is not just a positive connotation. As in their performance speaks for itself.

I'm depressed so I'm laughing at the thought that League and all the swearing in it by Rissa and Gigi caused her to leave. she complained to cover and they told her to fuck off and deal and it was the last straw

>>90548473
Will they have the time to grow? They have lost one gen worth of talent in a year. Just throwing new blood at the issue like Niji does is not going to cut it.

>>90549324
Oh, you're a numbermonkey

>>90549498
Numbermonkeys are ESL third worlders who don't understand basic English turns of phrase. Like you.

>>90549348
who

>>90548219
Affiliate status is a way for Cover to damage control. They would probably have left regardless, like Aqua did.

>>90549682
Fauna. for years she said she would rather die than play league and gigi and Rissa pressured her into it recently

>>90548219
that is a good thing

>>90549905
what, really? thats a cool theory.

would be not funny if gigi knew about this and did it to oust someone not in the pocket of israel or china.

>>90548219
affiliate isn't a choice or a benefit. it is a new term to replace graduation while also letting cover milk graduated talents while giving them nothing. you are delusional if you think affiliate shit is anything other than doing damage control for investors.

>>90550384
>while giving them nothing
They absolutely get a cut.

>>90550384
yeah it's not a coincidence it appeared the same time they started bleeding talents left and right.

>>90548171
>It’s sad to be honest but a shift was inevitable…
It's not though? They had no problem accomodating girls who weren't that big on that sort of thing. Ame was even allowed to skip the fucking new year concert. Also it wouldn't explain why someone like Aqua would leave.
Also if a change in direction is leading your main assets (the talents) to fucking leave, then that change is probably going straight into a wall.
There's something rotten going on behind the scene and the ship looks rudderless. I wouldn't be surprised if Yagoo leave too before they go straight into an iceberg.

>Raora cancelled a collab with Gigi that was supposed to happen now
It's mcfuckin over

>>90551022
raora is playing another game with gigi and cc on gigi's chan

>>90551022
Can't believe Raora is graduating soon too

>>90550514
Source on that?

>>90551230
No...

>Ruffians suddenly care about Promise now

>>90551336
I only care about jp... and the deliberate sabotage by blackrock and the ccp on japan's cultural heritage (vtubing)

I don't get it. You would expect it to be someone like Ayame and Mumei who graduate. Something is clearly not right.

>>90546825
>Cover might end up adopting the Niji ACCELERATE
If any one would, it would be Cover
>be the number 1 vtuber company
>have a massive lead on every other competitor
>make internal changes
>talents start talking about how the company is very different than it used to be
>make even more changes
>talents start leaving because the company is so far from what they signed up for years ago
>instead of backpedaling the changes to make sure that the other muti-year talents don't leave, make more changes
>and adopt a practice by a company that is actively sinking
>the new debuts fall short because the vtuber bubble is long over and their current talents (that they're actively losing) are as big as they can get thanks to said bubble
>the gaps that are created can't be filled
And it's not even that much of a stretch because Cover has adopted some practices from niji already, and it's only negatively impacted them and was never rolled back

>>90551336
I sort of care because they're in Hololive and that's what connects them to FWMC. The moment anyone leaves or doesn't have any sort of connection with them, I don't really care anymore. It'll be the same if FWMC leave Hololive. If they leave, I stop caring about Hololive too.

>>90551336
graduations suck, especially when they all seem to happen thanks to Cover being retarded

>>90551336
Anon shit is going on in hololive, you don't expect people to discuss it here too?
>>90551612
Mumei will probably be not long after, Gura too. They'll all go and be loosely associated doing their own thing elsewhere, seems likely. Together with Mint and Doki too, Ame as well.

Wait was this the real reason they cancelled Minecraft???

>>90551825
>Anon shit is going on in hololive
Ruffians told me they don't care about anyone besides FWMC

>>90551612
Yea I don't get it too. I've seen a bunch of anons say repeatedly that Fauna is fine where she is because she can just focus on streaming at home instead of flying to Japan and doing idol stuff.

>>90551841
Most likely. And it is probably the stuff mogotyan wants to talk about tomorrow. And the tweet too.

>>90551336
I watched fauna before FWMC even debuted

>>90524948
My routine is almost identical. Deck when I wake up, and later in the day/evening I do 2 filter decks: first leeches, then forgotten cards. Idk, but it didn't work out for me when I tried increasing cards to 10. If I don't forget I'll try going through archives and link you my post where I described how I felt when I tried 10 cards a day. Feel free to remind me if I forget.

>>90551336
I care about Fauna, Mumei, and Irys. If Kronii or Bae were leaving, I'd be celebrating.

>>90551336
Fauna streams were always solid

>>90551612
kekekekekekek Ojou will be here until hololive is no more

>>90551841
I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

>>90551336
Caring is a stretch. Still, I'll take discussing the state and future of Hololive over retarded garbage like menloops.

>>90551722
>Cover has adopted some practices from niji already, and it's only negatively impacted them and was never rolled back
like what

>>90551927
Those are fake. Just look at twitter screencaps for YT recaps. You can easily find ruffians watching other holomems, be it EN, JP or ID.

>>90551336
I can count the number of EN members that Ruffians have genuinely cared about on one hand. A hand belonging to someone missing fingers.

>>90551336
One less EN for them to collab with...

>>90551336
I don't care about Promise, but I've always had my eyes and ears on Hololive regardless
A graduation is a company wide thing, and pretending it isn't is stupid

>>90551927
I watch a lot of FWMC, CC, Biboo and Koyori. Also sometimes Chammers, Nene, Watame, Korone and Luna.

>>90551336
Never watched Council, never liked Council. People like to rewrite history and act like they were beloved and popular from debut. There's a reason it's taken them so long to reach 1mil subs

>>90552294
Sex with whores

Biboo is next.

Thank God for Mori and Bae

>>90552834
MOGOJAN NO!

45 minutes left on the doomsday clock
what will you be doing right before the holonuke hits?

>>90552997
nothing in my life will change, tell me why I should care

>>90552997
I will do the same thing I do for all graduation announcements
not watch and go play games instead so I don't get too sad

Do we panic if their schedule is light next week?

>>90551336
I don't care about Promise

>>90552997
Use this as an excuse to tweet at FWMC and tell them I'll always be there for them for another like

>>90553118
thats not fun, you should be dooming and thinking up of things to post that cause anxiety and drama, especially to eop itt

>>90553225
how little youtube do you watch that gura is in your top 3 of creators you watched in 2024

>>90552997
not my problem until my oshis graduate
marine's sololive is next week and fes will still be kino with 3 less talents

>>90552706
Sex sex sex ojou sex sex rough sex with ojou!!

>>90552386
There's been a lot of small things that I've forgotten but the biggest example is back when they were trying to combine the boys and girls together with Horizontal and managers not giving a fuck and sending "girl only collab" holos into male collabs
And the fact that they stagnated the EN branch to the point it started to wither just because the boys "took priority" thanks to "popular demand" despite literally everyone saying they wanted EN3

>>90553414
brrraaaaap

>>90551336
I haven't cared about Promise/Council since Kronii collabed with homos.

>Join Idol company
>You have to do Idol stuff
>Be perfectly fine with it, happy even, and don't rebel against this unexpected outcome
I love my dog wives

>>90551336
Not everyone is a newfag retard who discovered vtubers with advent like you.

>>90552997
I'm in a good mood, man. Sorry for the saplings in here, but when you've been watching for long enough and seen enough of those, it's hard to care that much about the announcement.
The actual graduation can still be emotional, cried at Aqua's and I didn't even watch her, but "someone is quitting their job" is hardly reason to lose sleep.

Anyone that jokes about a real graduation is a faggot larper tourist that has never had an emotional connection to an oshi

>>90553566
You just described most of the ruffians ITT though?

Is over. All of EN have cancelled their streams.

>>90552997
Doomsday clock is a meme nowdays, we are nowhere close countervalue nuclear exchange, especially compared to cold fucking war.
I love FWMC

>>90553400
Will that be on a weekday too?

>>90553706
fucking woman dragging down holo EN even in the final moment

>>90553813
Saturday and Sunday.

>hololive will die before the fwmc vn releases and they will never get a sololive
why did it have to be like this?

>>90554054
Oh sweet, definitely watching it then.

>>90551336
Personally I care more about most JP members than I do about most EN members

>>90554188
If they ask (they won't) in mengen I will bluntly tell them to go indie

I'm starting to not trust my friend anymore. I worry that she has been bought and paid for because of this statement. Easier to keep her happy and screw everyone else because she's put on a pedestal as a canary for some fucking reason that's no longer applicable.

>>90554290
They love hololive too much to do that.

>>90553706
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWNgGsmew6Y
They're streaming right now

>>90554465
>trusing Cover's #1 bootlicker

>>90554465
Hololive has started returning to b2. All of IDs have official accounts on there.

>>90554465
Anon I don't know what to tell you but that Friend has been dead for a long time and now and was replaced with a soulless fake

>>90554527
Gigi convinced her that no one cares about Fauna anyways and this is an opportunity to pick up some lonely depressed sapling paypigs.

>>90554465
fubuki has always been a corporate stooge. a lot of the japanese hags are all mindbroken by japanese corporate greed that they will defend it until the grave.

>>90554465
I love Fubuki, but I always knew she was full of shit.
Never understood why people took it to heart so much.

>>90554465
she doesnt know that w*keness is also a black company thing

>>90554652
china controls the purse strings yet again

>>90554465
Nene is my measuring stick. If Nene leave then I know it's all over.

>>90554465
fubuki died when she got her new model.

I guess they are focusing more on the idol side of things and some girls like Ame and Fauna just don't want to do that.

>>90554273
I mean, it's not really a JP vs EN thing anyway.
Considering everybody is leaving.

>>90554465
Friend was never trustworthy. It's insane that people cling to this statement as gospel. I have to assume it's mostly EN retards that don't even follow her streams regularly but know she's some old member.

Crazy how INDogs have 0 turnover.

>>90555025
Gura...

>>90555043
getting into holo pulls ids and their entire families out of poverty

>>90555025
Same-chan... STREAM NOW. Your branch is dying.

wow indie vtubers telling saplings to calmly wait for announcement. hololive IS the vtuber world

>>90555025
gura stop shitposting and go slap Fuwawa with your tail

>>90554465
>said during a time where the biggest vtuber in the company was leaving
>and during that same time the CN branch got shutdown, Cover pulled out of China, and she was constantly getting harassed
I don't think she could've predicted Cover changing this much and dropping 5-6 talents in a single year, not to mention she has a lot planned so of course she isn't gonna leave

>>90554465
Reminder that this statement was made on bilibili to a chinese audience. Fubuki isn't evil but she's always been a company woman through and through. She will always side with the suits.

>>90554894
Why did Aqua and Chloe leave then? They were in love with idols and music

>Half of a decade with 1 (one, ichi, jeden, eins) graduation of who was a nepohire anyway
>Ame graduates because she has a different vision for herself, understandable, good terms, everyone's happy
>Fauna graduates too for her own reasons, probably because she doesn't want to be an idol and idol company expects you to be an idol
>Somehow this means for retards and probably nijinigger falseflaggers this is the end of hololive
The fuck you guys were expecting? One graduation per decade? Enslavement by contract nijistyle? That myth (first gen, experimental, Holo didnt know western market and talents yet) and Promise (bad hiring not making sure that they recruit people who want to be idols because it was Om*ga era) wont have graduations? Come on. Its already amazing that Myth+Promise have so many amazing members, It just turned that in long term Fauna didn't want to do it.

TL;DR doomposting is fucking retarded, stop being a nigger.

>>90555319
this. probably blackrock mandatory diversity training happening right now, not idol stuff.

>>90554465
Turns out all it takes to sell your soul is cover promising you a sololive

>>90551336
This thread talks about Bae literally every day you tourist newfag

>>90554894
You mean those retards have been taking the idol company thing as face value?
Because without streaming, Hololive is nothing.
If they think they can hire ex-AKB girls and get the new Pekora, they're done for.

>>90555319
Aqua who knows, Chloe left mostly for health reasons, her voice just won't recover right and she's too burdened with homework and things to do.

>>90555351
uh oh melty!!

>>90555572
Inaff

>>90555156
Reine is rich already, she's just here for the lesbian sex.

>>90555634
cringe

>>90555239
>Reminder that this statement was made on bilibili to a chinese audience
This is just blatantly false because Cover disabled all of Hololive's b2 accounts by that point

>>90555319
Aqua left because she is soft retired. She said in her debut she is going to be taking things very slow. She has only streamed six times since redebut.
Chloe cited chronic throat pain as half the reason she is leaving. Even if she wants to do idol shit, she really can't.

>>90546452
Oh shit

>>90555702
poopy diaper!!

>>90554465
SEX WITH FRIEND

>>90555724
You're a retard. You probably think she was talking about the Chinese situation in this screenshot. No it was for something totally unrelated, this happened before the Coco incident.

>>90555351
There have been 5 graduations this year alone, anon. 4 of which were citing changes in direction in the company. That's concerning and a huge trend. If they hadn't rushed out justice they would have lost more talents than they added this year

>>90555508
My face placed firmly inbetween Ayame's ass cheeks

>>90555774
Mococo's poopy diaper...

>>90555351
>she doesn't want to be an idol and idol company expects you to be an idol
Then why did she join an idol company? No, the reason is the shitty Japanese worth ethic, they're being overworked hard with more and more homework and it's affecting their health. We can see the same thing happening with FWMC, they're just hiding it with a smile

reminder

I hate that Liar's Bar is on Sunday. I work on Monday and start my shift at 3am...I'd get no sleep. How long will they stream this time?

>>90556115
2 hours game, 1 hour zatsudan? So 3 hours?

>cover collapses under their own wasteful spending and drop in revenue as talents keep leaving and new fans stop coming
>forced to make cuts to staff
>cut the en branch because it is declining fastest
>fuwamoco kicked to the curb and sent back to the northwest passage

>>90556057
Kill yourself

I am really really having bad tummy pain thinking about tomorrow. It's going to be worse than battle plan 3. We've seen cracks in their everything for this entire year. They're doing their best but they have had quiet hints to how badly they are feeling healthwise and as much as they deny burn out is possible a total physical collapse is basically the same thing. And cover isn't going to let them catch their breath at all. They'll continue to grind them into dust as more of their coworkers have mental and physical breaks and are forced into graduating but not before signing away their characters to have their lifeless bodies whored out as trading cards and gacha to line shareholder's pockets until the company files bankruptcy after it loses its soul

>>90555351
>calls everyone else retarded
>only brings up 2 of the talents graduating this year
>leaves out the others to try and downplay how bad this is
uh huh

>>90555957
Well if you join it and put up with it for a few years you can then go indie again and now have 5k+ people watching you and giving you money compared to maybe a hundred you had before

>>90556180
I'll skip the zatsu I guess and take a big nap. Thanks.

>>90556275
Have faith. Diamond Dogs are now in Japan.

>>90556203
id exists, holostars exist, are you mentally retarded anon?

>>90556275
They're gonna cry lots. Be sure to give them lots of headpats

>>90555866
>mentions b2 and the chinese audience
>accuses me of thinking about the taiwan situation
Okay wise guy, what was it about then?

Well I guess they have a month

Honest opinion, what do you all think of the recent graduations?

this is why you don't hire green women
CC better hope she's the last green holo for a long time

>>90556768
Well, look at the thread and have a wild guess.

>>90556332
I think the zatsu is going to be longer than the gameplay. Mococo specifically said they have a LOT to talk about with members

>>90556275
Cover would be incredibly stubborn and retarded if they're not re-evaluating what they're doing right now.

>>90556768
I'll miss the fan arts, that's about it. I'm more concerned with how FWMC are feeling about them

>>90546952
Fauna is pretty much the opposite of FuwaMoco, I don't see how her leaving is a reason for us to worry.

>>90556768
Not surprised about Ame/Fauna. I hope Aqua is happy doing things in more relaxed manner.

>>90546452
I want to die

>>90556768
Honestly the only ones I was genuinely shocked and sad over were Mel's termination and Aqua's graduation

>>90556768
they're doubling down on idolshit. I watch Hololive for idolshit. I'm happy with the direction changes but sad to see holos that aren't on board with it leave

>>90556736
Fauna leaving would only mean that FWMC would stay

>>90556580
>Wasn't even there for it
>Doesn't even know
So what was the point of you just spouting off misinformation in >>90555724? Fucking idiot, not only do you not have nothing to add, you are actively detracting from the conversation. You're getting mad at me because you drew the wrong conclusion based on something I said for something you weren't even there for yet still tried to talk like you were? Fucking kill yourself.

>>90556768
looking pretty grim to go from so few graduations to members trying to get out as fast as they can

>>90556768
Thinking of ways to spin it into anti Fuwamoco shitposts has been interesting

>>90556768
I think Cover should ease up on the voice pack shit, we don't need that many and they take too much time and energy.
Concerts and all are great.

>>90556768
I think Hololive is on the downslope and that normalfags have ruined another thing I liked.

>>90556887
Nigga, name a single company that has reversed direction on their retarded ideas ever. They always double down.

>>90556887
I'm sure management is kicking and screaming at all the fires and red flags but if shareholders don't care, there isn't much they can do. They can try to bandaid it but if the board and money says otherwise what can they do? This is part of going public, it's the decision and risk they made. A bunch of ojisans aren't going to give a fuck about talents leaving, to them they're just replaceable staff they don't understand how important those specific employees are to the entire brand. They think just slapping the model on merch is going to be profitable with minimal overhead like paying for these streams and non sponsored events. I pray they're wrong but maybe they're right and it will keep getting worse. Either way they can eventually just dump it once they gutted it and no one will want to come back. I'm being dramatic but this is what blackrock and public shareholders to to every single company that had a sole visionary that sells control

>>90556768
Losing Aqua was a massive loss for Hololive, she was getting 120k people watching her APEX grind. Couldn't care less about Watson or Fauna

>>90547409
>ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
Shouldn't it be
US US US US etc.

>>90556768
Half the graduations are the some of the sexiest holos... the art was so good...
But like I said, if you don't think Cover is spiraling at this point, you're deluded

>>90556768
graduations every now and then is no big deal, but when they're all so close together like this it does get worrying
I feel Cover needs to take a step back and reconsider if whatever they want to do is worth losing multiple talents like this

>>90557224
If people would stop buying them they wouldn't keep making them. People are supporting their oshis to death

>Fauna graduating
>People come to FWMC's thread to shitpost
Most influential vtubers...

I'm crying right now. I made a fool and spoke my emotions of love for them because I just felt I had to and they somehow found my untagged tweet and fuck I'm a wreck on this train right now

>>90556768
Just streamlining operations. It'll be for the better in the end, even if I am sad for saplings, teamates, etc

>>90557506
What a fag, "starting to believe." FWMC have said time and time again that when they say something, they really mean it. They're all in on this

>>90557261
>shareholders don't care, there isn't much they can do.
Thats not how a company works. Big shareholders have some influence sure but management is hired to manage the company, the shareholders have no say in day to day decisions. Shareholders elect the board of directors, the board of directors sets the agenda and the CEO and management then do it. Whatever is making Holos leave isn't some big overarching strategy to try and appeal to more normalfags, it's the day to day mess of meetings, getting blocked by incompetent staff members and other annoyances which the shareholders don't have any influence on at all

>>90557506
why did they put "Protecting." in quotes
they also liked this post, there was a spree it seems. I couldn't bring myself to post because i feel like shit and would just be sad but I hope others better at words can be kind to them

>>90556768
Let's be real, Hololive is in a transitional period, they're going head first into the idol way, which means we'll have all those who mainly wanted to stream leave, and when a lot of those are introverted neets, you can expect many to leave. But once they leave, it'll will open the door for more talents like FUWAMOCO who aren't as big into streaming and truly want to sing and dance and perform and molest mocochan.
Some people will think it's a questionable move, but in such an oversaturated market as streaming, I think focusing on performance will at the very least let them stand out from the sea of lazy twitch whore vtubers. I wouldn't call it better or worse, just different.

>>90557506
is that the retard paypig or just another Grey? I hope it's a rando because if that's not that is so tonedeaf I'm in disbelief that he thought it was a positive thing to say. It reads as they doubted them

>>90557683
Like me he's probably been burned too many times before, it becomes hard to trust again...

why do all the sisters migrate here to shitpost when cover drama starts instead of the 30 threads about the topic

>>90557602
They hearted it?

>>90557821
Mococo can't resist liking quote retweets, easiest bait ever

>>90557096
>instead of proving me wrong, it instead chooses to get mad and start flinging insults trying to undermine my character and render my points null
>all without even slightly contradicting me and what I said other than "you're wrong"
I know what you are, and it's sad
You've got no reason to hate her this much

>>90558077
This place is infested with posters from /#/ and global

>>90558077
Cause it's funny

>>90557992
Rando.

>>90558077
Because we can't wait until it's your turn

>>90558077
Not enough gatekeeping of globaltrannies on month 1.

>>90557811
>day to day mess of meetings, getting blocked by incompetent staff members
That plays a huge part I'm sure. But a lot of that is a direct consequence of the boardmembers insisting on more voice packs more events more recordings more practice more this more this more that more money. If they refuse to put funding into hiring more staff and instead put everything into literal vaporware bullshit like holoplus and holoearth, then the shitshow of the management being burned out and failing at their jobs falls directly on leadership and the financial leaders and yes this probably is a huge indictment on YAGOO himself too

>>90556280
>>90555877
Different branch, im talking about EN. Ame just wanted to do her own thing, If Fauna mentions company's direction well, then she joins the club.
>>90555957
>Then why did she join an idol company?
There are so many explanations. Not thinking enough about what being a holo means, woman moment of which Fauna is confirmed to be capable of, wanting to make money etc.
Also uh, remember, she is not your friend anyway.
Im not saying nothing wrong is going rn with holo on but doomposting is excessive on a level I usually see among nijinigger falseflaggers and Im very allergic to them due to past experiences.

>>90557992
wasn't ours spelled "gray"

>>90557939
I love FWMC but an entire company of FMWCs sounds like hell. The streamer types balanced everything out

>>90558077
we're global 2

Here we go again. I'm going to have to pretend to care

>>90557939
>Hololive is in a transitional period, they're going head first into the idol way
I find this so weird.
Half the people on here are saying Hololive is dead, circling the drain, spiralling, it's over, etc.
The other half are saying they're doubling down on idoldom, will be better in the end, etc.
I don't know who to believe.

>>90558080
Yeah it was a like. But it was nearly immediate after I posted it so I think they're crying and surfing twitter which is not a healthy place to be in. I wish I had a cat to post instead of my sob story of how I love them...

5 minutes...

>>90558346

>>90558151
You just want to be spoonfed. The stream was on both B2 and YT, it's still up on YT go find it yourself. Fully subtitled too. Oh wait, you don't even know what date to look for because you think this was about Coco and China. KILL YOURSELF YOU FUCKING NIGGER.

>>90558077
/baubau/ is a refuge for many, why would you be a catalogfag anyway?

Fucking hell my displayport cable died. Have a bunch of HDMI ones, but my gay ass graphics card only has one HDMI port. I blame Fauna.

>>90558357
Why? I'm not even subscribed to her after the friend shit so I can't post any chat message even if I wanted to (I don't). If you haven't watched any of her streams then why care? Her leaving just means more opportunity and management time for FWMC

>>90558335
Anon, FWMC streamed more than Fauna... I don't know why people keep insisting they barely stream. They don't stream as much as biboo, kiara and mori, but they do put in effort.

>>90558618
more time for FWMC to get overworked lets gooooo

I'm going into this knowing full well I'm gonna feel like shit. why do I do this to myself?

>>90558618
no, they won't, they will also leave someday

https://x.com/WA1FUJAM/status/1862994173378322591
>so many ruffians finding me aaa i hope we can become friends!!
>i’m bad at introductions but hi i’m a female ruffian and i want to learn about other hololive girls and support them bau bau!

kek what are you retards doing

Kissing Fuwamoco while the world burns around us!

>>90558801
the clique groomers unironically egosurf for femruffians and then spam them with follows to try to get first contact with them

>>90558742
That's not what streamer-type means in this context. They are in holo for idol activities, Fauna isn't.....wasn't.

>>90558801
I think this is cute. But I hope people back off and don't groom her.

>>90558497

>>90558801
>likes vshojo
yikes

is it normal for saplings to be openly suisei posting in precat like this? are they gonna be ok?

>>90559064

>>90559093
not worth my grooming effort

>>90556768
I still feel down about Aqua (though I'm happy she's back under another persona)
It's obvious Hololive changed in the past two years but while graduations were going to happen I did not expect them to be coming in such rapid succession.
I'm having trouble remaining optimistic, and now I feel bad whenever a holo complains about her job (which happens quite often)

>>90558801
Looks like the clique is being groomers as usual

fuck I'd better download the fauna MEGA now. I kept putting it off but I'm afraid they'll go scorched earth and delete it

>>90559144
>their oshi friendzones them, then leaves
They've had it rough

>>90559064
Nice, I'm a feet cummer

>>90559348
>friend zones
even worse than that, she said they weren't even friends

OH ITS SO FAUNOVER

Yep it's over

LMFAO

DISAGREEMENT WITH MANAGEMENT
>disagreement with management
yeah hololive is dead

>DISAGREEMENT WITH MANAGEMENT
FUUUUCKING HELL COVEEEERRRRRR

>Disagreement with management
blackrock(and china) did this

>Reason for my graduation is disagreement with management.
Sigh.

>Disagreement with management
Oh it's SO over

DISAGREEMENT WITH MANAGEMENT YET AGAIN.

Get ready, FWMC are going to get utterly fucked by management and ground into dust until they can't do anything to make them money anymore and they'll be thrown to the side
NAH FUCK THIS SHIT

>Disagreement with management

Quick copeffians, come up with something.

>disagreement with management

That's THREE girls in a row. Wow.

fuck blackrock and fuck yagoo for being a money hungry faggot that couldn't let well enough be. he's fucking walter white of cute anime girls

>disagreement with management
>I love streaming
ah

Welp there it is, again, for the 4th time
>internal disagreements with management
What the hell is Cover doing?

>>90560179
>disagreement with management
This is ALL bae's fault. FUCK HER.

So it only really leaves overworking on merch stuff, right? If even she is saying she loves singing and dancing despite barely doing it.

That's it. I'm not buying any more merch ever until serious changes are made. Sorry FWMC.

>disagreement with management
>I love streaming
>Streaming
Cover is going all in with Idols.

>It's not because I don't want to be an idol
Alright, what the fucking hell is going on?

>I am not leaving because I don't want to be idol.
WTF IS HAPPENING?

Reminder that FUWAMOCO have gone through 3 managers already in barely over a year. They're strong dogs for hiding the pain but I know they have to be absolutely tortured. There had better be a fucking reckoning or the entire branch is going to collapse

>>90560412
I don't have a cope for this, I'm just sad

>I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol
I hope this shuts THOSE faggots up

>>90560465
Idol company wants their talents to be idols. She just said its not for her, she just wants to be a streamer.

FUCK COVER

>>90560804
>>90560784
DEI has entered the chat

>>90560651
Not Aqua is still trying to become an idol. It's not that, as much as people push it.

>Disagreement with management
>It's not because she hates streaming
>It's not because she doesn't want to be an idol
Uhhh, I kinda have a bad feeling about this

>>90560830
Threadreader chama...

surely this many graduations and the backlash they get over them will make Cover stop and reconsider whatever the fuck is happening over there
surely...

>>90560854
Anon, that's being disproven

>>90560833
>>90560804
>>90560784

>>90560784
>>90560804
>>90560833
She doesnt like what word Idol means and wanted to redefine it but it doesnt work like that

>>90560833
Are these faggots in the room right now? Are they touching each other? Describe it in detail.

>disagreement with management
So... What the actual fuck are they doing at Cover?

It's actually over, isn't it?

All I care about is if FWMC will have those same disagreements with management, if it's not an idol-related

>>90560833
It won't, they'll just say Fauna was lying because she wanted to sound better I'm sure. Honestly, I need someone to shake the fuck out of management and Hololive as a whole with all of this shit. Whatever the fuck is going on is really making people stressed as fuck and it now makes me wonder what that thing was that Kiara said made her really worried back a month ago, some news that was 'one of the worst things', given she's also pretty heavy in on the idol route and is also willing to do lots of flights in to Japan for work.

Can't wait for tomorrow's mengen talk

Where did normalfags even take this delusion that it's because they don't want to be idols from anyway? Fucking Aqua was the biggest departure this year, how can anyone possibly arrive at "idol culture bad" from Aqua leaving?

>>90561210
Business As Usual.
Don't worry about it.

>>90561189
Maybe her definition of an Idol is vastly different from wildly accepted one. For me its singing and dancing, not just streaming like she described it.

She is graduating, and not becoming an affliate? It must be pretty serious then.

>>90546452
>I'm not a Chihuahua! I'm Fuwaw-ACK!!

>>90560833
This explains the new direction of the company and why several girls are leaving.

YAGOO SEND FUBUKI OUT TO DAMAGE CONTROL RIGHT NOW

Okay maybe shit actually is fucked. Dunno what to think anymore.

>>90561210
Thinking about it now there was a rrat they were going to make a big push to fully integrate Holostars like Nijisanji...

>>90561478
It's just the narrative they've been wanting to push, so they'll take anything as ammo even if it doesn't fit

>>90561478
I don't know, ask the ruffians here who were shitting on Fauna. I'm going to have fun reading all the mental gymnastics they're going to perform in a bit

>>90561478
What you are seeing right now is nijinig falseflagger and tourist invasion but its very tame compared to Doki's situation desu

>talents keep leaving because of management
Very normal thing to happen in an entertainment company. Totally not going down the drain.

>>90561478
Because it's a cope to pretend that something isn't wrong with the company that their favorite talent works at. The same company that gave their favorite talent a chance, and in FWMC's case gave them a shot at doing something they always wanted to. It's easier to keep going "Let's get that Sololive!" when Cover hasn't given one to any EN outside of Mori yet and makes people hopeful. If they start realizing that Cover is doing something that has made many different types of talents want to leave in the last year, it's a realization that it could also affect their favorite girl or could harm chances of something like that Sololive.

To be entirely fair the definition of "idol" is warped in all sorts of ways nowadays. And I don't mean the retards who think idol = GFE, but even the retards who think idol = singing and dancing. It's not. All of the shilling, all of the appearing on variety show crap, it's all idol work 101.
If you like singing but you don't like the rest, then you don't like being an idol, you like being a singer.
It's just hard to get a grasp without someone just going off after graduation like Selen did. Though I guess the fact that nobody has is in itself a good indication.

>>90561441
Fauna was lying because she wanted to sound better
Let me also add: Being an idol involves dancing and singing. She didnt want to do it. So she didnt want to be an idol.

be grateful fuwamoco are push overs and will let managers mistreat them at the cost of their own health instead of walking away

I don't want to give cover another cent until shit changes but I want to support FUWAMOCO. I am certainly not buying anymore fucking merch until something changes. I want to send a superchat encouraging them but I'm split because those faggot shareholders will take a cut of the pie. I might just have to air it all out on twitter, as dirty as that is. I'm sure my fan letter would get shredded if I spoke my full support for fuwamoco and what I really think

But /baubau/ told me that management were GODS and that FWMC were going to carry the entire company

>>90561575
KEK WTF

Bau...bau?

We've still got 1 more month this year, how many can fit?

>>90561441
Mori also seem stressed as fuck.

>>90562435
Yeah FWMC will let management use them up like whores

>>90562360
the stream was five minutes long and this retard still didn't watch it

I really think it's time Yagoo, as the CEO, came out and addressed things. You can't just lead a company and lose multiple talents in quick succession without saying anything about it.

She unironically got sexually harrassed by her manager and management sided with them.

>>90562562
What? When has anyone in here ever said management were gods? The only thing that people say here about management is that they want them to do their fucking job

>>90562360
She clearly was pissed enough at cover to call them out directly in the >graduation announcement. She's normally chill and loving as fuck to everyone so it has to be pretty bad. She seemed fine just staying in her bubble, doing the idol stuff as required and streaming and apparently she can't even do that under management's new turn?

>>90562562
This thread is constantly bitching about homework and FUWAMOCO have to defend it several times, retard. You're below a threadreader.

>>90561691
I don't think they'll force the girls to collab with the homos, but it does bring an interesting question... We know FWMC's stance with the homos would they graduate if they were *forced* to collab with the homos? Would they stay but disobey management?

>>90562562
Are you retarded? /baubau/ is perpetually unhappy with the homework FWMC are receiving.

>>90562360
Then why didn't she graduate before Connect The World, before the first hololive fes she was a part of? Dumbass

>>90562866
The only coming out we need to hear involving him is leaving the company. He's destroyed it with the direction it's taken now

That ojisan who sat on Fuwawa at the bus represented Cover management. Fuwawa allowing it to happen represented FUWAMOCO's passivity towards the whole thing

>>90562982
>She's normally chill and loving as fuck to everyone so it has to be pretty bad
Yeah and she is also not your friend, but yeah very chill

Guys, calm down. Fubuki is still in the company so everything's fine.

>>90562919
We're getting raided by global retards. This thread shits on management constantly kek

>>90562919
>>90563031
>>90563241
>backpedaling
KEKKKK

>>90562866
This is the one good side of the company being public, investors will 100% ask him to talk about it during the next meeting. It's where the "the loss will be negligible" meme about Selen came from, he was forced to address the situation and he made it even worse with his statement.

>>90557224
voice packs are optional, fauna hasn't done one in years

>>90563337
hope your mom dies in her sleep tonight

>>90562360
This is what I don't get. Fauna has been taking voice lessons and literally 2 days ago was just speaking very fondly about them

>>90563266
When you grow up and leave highschool, you will learn that people usually dont act on impulses like hyperneurotic manchildren but break under stress when it comes to employment.

>>90561691
If Fauna and Aqua were the only graduations you'd have a stronger case.

>>90563344
That much is pretty apparent now after he replied again. Honestly shouldn't have even responded to it since they were just being a retard to try and get me to correct them

>>90563603
Ah yes, this is a very normal response to a reference to what Fauna literally said to all her fans live on stream. You look very mature there buddy

Could it be they don't like all the shill streams Cover is forcing them to do? I mean stuff like ENReco, the racing stuff etc. There has been a huge drive by management to do events that are monetized instead of letting things happen organically.

>>90563270
I don't think he's a bad guy, but I recall watching one interview of him and he didn't seem to grasp at all why hololive is even popular. When asked why people liked vtubers, his answer was "Anime has become mainstream, so people like watching anime characters"

>>90563609
Because fags here pretend that they know anything and pay attention to anything ever outside their small bubble, or they're shitposters looking to upset others. It's crazy that so many people have left this year under 'creative differences' and 'management issues'.

>>90563342
She is just a corporate puppet. I won't believe any of her words anymore.

Well, so much for the affiliate bullcrap.
She outright said it was because of management and it's going to be a straight graduation.
That's actually worst than I expected.

>>90563892
Fauna follows the homostars kek

>>90564102
I think there's so much going wrong that it's hard to say what exactly is chasing all of these members away. Maybe
>forced shilling and constant events to shill merch
>increase in gacha, making every talent shill and open the TCG shit and basically openly act as predators to their fans and their money
>God knows what horrors they're planning with holoearth next year (this is a big one I think)

>>90564102
There's no way they would leave because of streams like that unless they were going to triple down on them

>>90563337
Clearly you're a clip consoomer and don't know what that conversation was actually like, but if you watched the stream, you would know that moment unironically was extremely chill

YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE

I'm so glad my oshis are submissive pushovers who never turn down anything from management and who would rather die with a sinking ship than graduate and be forced to go back to their lives before hololive

>>90564102
Well, that would definitely fit "disagreement with the direction it's going", because she seemed to have a ton of fun in ENReco, so it would be genuinely "I don't want this to be too much of my content" over particularly disliking any one event.
If it gets to a point where this kind of management driven content is the bulk of streams, I can definitely see a lot of people thinking it's not worth it, and it fits all of her statements.
It's not that she doesn't want to be an idol, it's just not worth it when her focus is still streaming if she can't stream what she wants.
It's not that she doesn't want to stream, she just doesn't want to stream shill crap 90% of the time.
Sounds like a good guess, honestly.

>>90564606
Our oshis are not submissive though. They fought management to at least let them do the ASMR voicepack in English.

>Noel and Watame are both crying
YOU MADE THE ASMR TITCOWS CRY GOOD JOB COVER.

>>90564109
I don't either, but it's clear he's way over his head now with how much cover has grown. And he's stupidly obsessed with holostars and dev_is and holoearth tech shit. What the fuck even is COVEREDGE? Focus on what made you good, don't fall into the same bullshit jack of all trades we can do X better than everyone that every tech startup does.

>>90564435
Hololive has gone insane money-grabbing mode. I really dislike an intense amount of products being released constantly and it makes me personally feel a bit leery of someone or something, and it isn't just FWMC who have had an insane increase in products this year. Sure, they're a bit more heavy handed and take on extra, but across the board Cover/Hololive has been shoveling out tons of shit to sell compared to the last 6 years. Remember when someone tallied all of the online purchasable stuff with FWMC in it and it came to like $1500? That's fucking crazy.

>>90564864
Maybe Management mandated that it be a voicepack instead of a stream?

>>90564968
dev_is is actually outstanding so far, but agreed on the other stuff

THEY'RE CRYING

>>90564864
>Fought to get paid ASMR in EN for their primarily EN fanbase
NEVER FORGET COVER AND MANAGEMENT ARE ACTUALLY YOUR ENEMY

>>90564504
Damn, either this is some severe memory holling or extreme copium

>>90565065
I don't even know if I want to go to expo/fes this year. I mean I should just for fuwamoco but I can already see how much they are going to nickel and dime attendees. Paid tickets for every individual event, stages fucked even worse than last year. splitting FUWAMOCO

>>90565195
lol no, FWMC fucked up that one

>>90555957
>>90555351
Did you guys even watch Fauna's announcement? She said it's not because she doesn't want to be an idol.

>>90564606
I'm glad they got the chance to do Breaking Dimensions, and they'll do Fes next year so at least they had the chance to perform. Sololive prospects are looking grim with the way management are crashing the company with no survivors though. The mainstays of Miko, Marine, Subaru, Pekora and Suisei all seem to be going along with it but if one of them falls then the seams are going to come apart instantly.

>Duck is a spineless corpo apologist
Japanese are weak bootlickers
https://x.com/p1k0mqru/status/1863030436970234211

>>90565284
Still baffling they had to fight a little for that and they made it sound like it was a battle

>>90564030
your dad too

>>90565382
And? You can say anything you want

If you actually want to fight back and stop supporting Cover fucking over the talents you should stop buying their shitty cheap merch, and maybe sending SCs (cover takes a cut from those too).
The best way to support the talents is by buying voice packs (cover gets a really small cut from those, most of it is for the talents). If you are going to stop buying merch for FWMC but still want to support them buy their voicepacks multiple times. (Who knows? Maybe Cover gets their head out of their own ass when they see the money drying...)

>>90565316
>splitting FUWAMOCO
Talking about that, management actually DID want to split them up. Lol. Fucking bastards.

>>90565316
>spoiler
This might be the one thing that would actually get them to graduate. If they actively tried to split them, they'd leave. I know that in the past they had tried to audition separately before, but now that they're in as a package deal they won't want to go back on that

>>90556736
fauna will never do asmr again and she hates you

>>90565774
Which voice pack though? I worry the ASMR one gives cover a bigger cut but I know that one means the most to fuwamoco

>>90564159
And instead you'll believe the words of a grifter two-face like Fauna?

>>90565764
???

>>90565774
Or you take the money you'd spend on those products and put them elsewhere, if you catch my drift. That is the SINGLE most impactful move you can do.

>>90556768
all who have graduated have been from early EN
the fact that no late ENs have left is proof they just had a worse hiring policy for Promise and Myth

>>90564968
I was completely skeptical over dev_is when it was announced but they completely won me over, I genuinely think it's the future of Hololive to focus on concept units like this. Especially with the "sinking ship full of holes" imagery that will only increase with the traditional gen model going forward. If not for Promise becoming a thing, Council would be a 3 man gen now.
Not sure how much focus they give to Holostars nowadays because I don't follow them, but it seems to be severely slowed down, no? I don't even hear from them in bait threads anymore. Aren't a couple of them on menhera breaks even? Sounds like the same thing is affecting them too, but they can't afford to quit over it because they wouldn't make as much as indies, unlike the girls who can say "fuck this I'm out" and actually make more money.

>>90565774
No the only way people take notice is if merch stops being bought COMPLETELY. Full stop. It sucks cause it might hurt the girls but Cover has been hiding behind our love for the girls for too long. Of course you'd need really big movements for people to take notice, like all the JP fans not buying a Suisei plushie or something and I doubt that will ever happen.

>>90565382
Yeah and? And how does Fauna defines being an idol?

Damn, ENReco 2 without FaunaMart is gonna be tough for Mococo

>>90557506
They'll be sitting together with Robin William in the end if they try to protect too much. Ruffians should start to understand what the pledge actually means. Bau Bau

>>90551612
Why would Ayame graduate if she's getting paid to not stream? Would you?

>>90566029
I just bought 10 new patreon + subs. I am not giving cover another cent of split outside of membership until FWMC indicate it's okay.

>>90565928
Based.

Feels pretty weird to see the JP side being the one blindsided for once.
How sudden is this?

>>90565774
They'd just increase the cut they take from the voice packs

>>90565774
>you should stop buying their shitty cheap merch
I've never bought shitty cheap merch, and it's surprising that enough people do to the point where Cover thinks that selling that garbage is a great idea
I was thinking about buying the Friends with you plushies for some FWMC plushies, I think I'll just hold the money now

>>90566448
It's funny because a decent amount of EN talents have other ways to get money to them that isn't directly through Cover. You might have to dig a little, but completely circumventing Cover is the only way to truly say "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING" while also still giving some money to the talent you like.

>>90566392
are you gonna try to spin this by claiming that Fauna's idea of being an idol is not performing on stage?

>>90565932
Are you fucking 12, do you accept and automatically accept everything that people say because they are e-celebs? You can say anything, doesnt mean its right or true.

Noel is regretting not learning English. FUWAMOCO this is your way in, teach her English.

>>90566392
Going by the stream, she just means singing and dancing.

>>90566426
Does she at least get paid to take regular dancing and singing lessons and to appear on concerts if requested?

>>90566417
what the fuck are you talking about

Management is sweating bullets because if Gura and Mumei also decide to leave, people would really start boycotting.

I really wish I could feel comforted by the existence of FWMC right now but I can't even do that because I'm in the middle of f*****tism brainworms right now and feeling like shit about them. I swear with every passing day it's feeling more and more absurd to spend time on 3DPD piloting an anime avatar. Maybe the correct answer is to jump ship as soon as AI waifus become viable.

>>90566998
jps just say stuff like that they don't actually mean it

>>90566846
You know that to be a good idol you need to put a lot of effort BEFORE you go on a stage? I think thats the problem she has.
At this point im pretty sure that reason behind graduations is simply the fact that holofes is mandatory for everyone.

>>90566361
It would still work. If we only buy the voicepacks, Cover will start losing money for making shitty physical merch that we won't buy, and the cut they get from the voicepacks won't be enough to cover the production cost of the physical merch. They would be forced to drastically reduce the merch they produce.

>>90566311
>I was completely skeptical over dev_is when it was announced but they completely won me over
Said absolutely no one ever.
Dev_is is fucking ass with terrible management (oh, I'm seeing a trend here) and it has been carried by the mainline branch heavily (and by FWMC in EN who did multiple watchalongs). The girl are alright, but the model is niji-tier garbage.

>>90565602

>>90566901
No, but often times I will take the word of a talent over the word of the corporate overlords. Sorry you're so beholden to Cover directly that you can't see there's an issue when a bunch of talents have left siting the same reasons and a bunch of other talents have just talked about how absolutely beaten down they've been by this year in the company.

>>90566901
Sorry
accept and automatically believe*

>>90566311
What cope is this? What if someone from regloss decide to quit? They will be a man down too.

>>90566029
Yeah... I think I'll start doing that.

>>90567183
Nah. Gura and Mumei are basically already gone and have been for a while. Fauna leaving is a blow cause she was a semi consistent streamer.

>>90567183
I was just about to say, we're not even done yet. Hololive still has to pass the kidney stone that is Gura, which will probably be within the next week. Not to mention Kiara openly plans to go for just a couple more years.

As someone who has followed hololive since 2019 all I can say is that while I love hololive and what it stands for in terms of allowing girls come together, have fun, make friends, and make their dreams come true, and I want it to continute to succede. However if they're so inept in terms of managing and keeping the girls happy and can't keep a hold of them then cover deserves to crumble. My ultimate loyalty is to the girls.

Lying whore

>>90566764
If they wanted more money, they'd have higher tiers on patreon too. They want Cover to earn from them to get more opportunities in return.
I understand and respect not wanting to support Cover, but they value every step closer to their dreams way more than 30% more money on each transaction. They still live like poorfags anyway, not like they're using that money on themselves.

>>90567554
from the start they've announced they would just add in a new member and debut them as a part of the existing group like traditional idol groups. So they'll never have a man down permanently like hololive gens do

>>90565602
Where the hell have you been? The Japs have ALWAYS been that way, nothing has ever changed. They will eat shit non-stop to not rock the boat or to not get in trouble.

>>90567498
Maybe dont take word of either side and think for yourself?

>>90567628
It is just too much in so short a time. The conspiracy theories will go out of control.

>>90567650
I wrote this post.

>>90565602
I just don't see why you should believe the girls over them,
half these girls are total drama school normalfaggots who maybe played pokemon
based on everyone else's post's fauna probably just left because she hates her job

>>90566901
So you automatically assume what she said is all a lie? That's even dumber. It's her word against yours.

another big tits with good porn hits the dust....
in succession too...

>>90567081
Well yeah but I can't imagine that takes a lot of effort from someone if they have their finances taken care of.

>>90565774
The only real way to support the talents and circumvent Cover is to mail or drop suspicious packages full of money straight to their home addresses.

>>90567811
>List a bunch of reasons why Cover might be in the wrong, based purely on the forward facing talent's comments all over the company
>UH THINK FOR YOURSELF D*DE
I did, and I think Cover is doing something seriously wrong right now given a bunch of their talents are getting burned out this year. Compare it to any year previously and you will never see as much general distress.