/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>90149513
That’s a known thing, but the cope about
>you get nothing out of it once your gone
Is a fucking lie. You leave and you leave with an audience you never had. That in itself is worth it.

>waaah me me me i want i want
keep your head down, play the slop of the week, collect paycheck. no one gives a fuck about your "creativity"

>>90149513
>homo
>hololive

you should also call him a "liver"

spam

>>90149513
He’s not an ex hololive member

>>90149741
holostars is part of hololive production and is frequently used as an alibi by holobronies, see for example dookieturd's latest tourney which only has holostars yet holobronies claim they are represented

>Ex-Hololive

>>90149624
it's a bad audience

>>90149513
Are male vtubers more mentally fragile than female vtubers?

>>90149685
calm down mane-san

>>90149513
>A vtuber is a Performing Artist
A lot of was very understandable up until this point. Music performers in Hololive's case for sure, but they're just playing video games for the most part. It's not that much of a creative industry, unless of course the talents can expand out to industry voice acting or have other skills applicable to other jobs.

>>90149968
I bet there's gonna be like "systemic and structural sexism" bullshittery within a vtuber world.

>>90149513
>>90140277

>>90149513
>Could this be the reason why Ame left? The feeling of having no real ownership of her creative projects?
Ame left because she's a fucking whore and wanted to gang out with Bao and Fillian who are also whores.
Good riddance. All fucking whores should fuck off.

Randon sounds right. I'm in the arts naturally and I had to edit my my own works because editors kept giving me sass.
"Well editors are supposed to well, edit"
I can't let (paid) randoms chop off story branches I'm going to expand on later on my whim. You have to let a creative person be creative.
Now if you want someone to do the same thing everyone else is just give them a list of games they can play and say "Have at it tiger." and call it a day.
The worst offender that would piss me off the most is a canceled project. Commit or fuck off (politely). We don't need any of that from any company.
Do you know how much shitty media makes it to the shelves? A LOT. Let the customer decide if your project is worth anything but you might as well have been asleep if you don't release anything eventually.
Besides why are they scared of getting in trouble? Write ups don't really mean anything and if you get fired enjoy unemployment.

>>90150349
Can you stop thinking about dick for five minutes?

>>90149624
>You leave and you leave with an audience you never had
Not the case for Randon.

>>90150086
Are you saying streamers, virtual or otherwise, are not performing when playing games for an audience?

> Ex-Hololive Member

>>90149513
DAMN, well it's Hololive so we don't care lol.

I've seen it. He deadass confirms holo managers are similar to niji.

I would say, given how much swearing, sexual jokes and being a loud stupid menace is going on in Holostars today,

I don't believe him....just what was you trying to do, that banned you?
Trying to change this system, going apeshit on your management. Selen 2.0

>>90149513
People will hate his take because ''muh homo'' but he is 100% correct here

>>90150533
I definitely wouldn't refer to the vast majority of video game streamers as "artists", that's for sure.

>>90149513
huh, that actually makes sense

>>90149685
>their lives are better than mine so they should be grateful instead of having higher aspirations than I could ever dream of!

>>90149513
>Could this be the reason why Ame left?
I think Ame mostly left because of offline work.

You won’t get anything resembling intelligent conversation here because “hurrrr homos” but he’s not saying anything out of line. That’s why it’s baffling to me that anyone would celebrate Altare venting hard on management. “Management does nothing to support” us doesn’t mean exclusively Stars EN. He’s talking about EN in general and it’s a sentiment many of the girls have expressed as well. You would hope that losing Ame would get their heads out of their asses but I guess not. Maybe when Gura dips and they lose the most subbed vtuber on the planet they’ll start making some changes.

Hololive is basically communism.
No incentive to work hard, only do the bare minimum as to not get punished.

>>90149866
retard

>>90149513
whatever you say nijisis!

>>90149968
yes

>>90149866
>holobronies claim they are represented
Sister... Go to doctor. You hallucinating again...

You mean the man who couldn't handle his regular boring corporate job before vtubing, and just got on his bike and pedaled instead of just... doing a regular ass job?
Maybe the corp isn't the problem, maybe Randon is just a lazy mentally unstable sack of shit.

>>90149513
>>90139866
>>90139556

>>90149741
This

>>90150635
Lmao

>>90150422
they don't want to get in trouble because of holostars because they live of hololive charity anyway, if you don't make money for the company you can't risk creating losses it's not exactly crazy nobody wants to die for homostars. Imagine if hololive would lose sponsors because a bunch of shitter males act like retards they could never make it up for the losses.

>>90149513
>. If a talent does really, really well, they don't get extra money (They only get a set salary). However, if the talent that they're managing screws up, or does something risky, then the manager is going to get in big trouble. They're going to get chewed out at the next meeting, or they might get reassigned, or fired or something like that."
What would be the alternative to this?
If the chuuba you manage does well you get rewarded?
Wouldn't this set a precedent for managers to inadvertently pit talent against each other so they could profit?

>>90151430
Oh yeah, that would get the individual girls mad at you too. Not a great battle plan.
I suppose I automatically assumed the Holostar would act in good faith and with common sense.

>>90150684
he have no idea because he is a homo anon, management will not take a risk for a bunch of low-view shitters with no pull it's just not worth it.

>>90151536
not if it was 1 manager for one talent

>>90150806
nah she's still engaged in some offline work as an affiliate, she didn't want to stream as a holo due to ADHD and not being able to switch games after an hour, shit like that.

>>90151536
This question has been asked since 1940, and it has no real answer.
A salariworker might not want to work on a stake, yet by saddling a salaryworker with risk you can get a risk averse culture circlejerk.

The problem is exactly the same as CEO golden parachutes, or middlemanagers and their CVs.

>>90150827
faggot can't speak for holo EN because he was never part of it, also homo management is actually very engaged they even coded some shitty game for homos in their free time and basically act as fangirls at least for some of this dudes, axel literally had a stream in Cover studio where he was feeding his manager strawberries and people speculated they're fucking. Of course something like that will create favoritism withing the branch, perhaps orc was left out and grew salty as a result.

>>90150086
Vtuber is a brainwashed slave dancing to their tune and promoting merchandise , con appearances

kek, the biggest fag who had an actual melty trying to weigh in on anything

Taking the company public was a mistake.

>>90149513
Hes completely right but the unsaid thing is its even further than that.
Your paid almost entirely based on commision, aka on your metrics.
So if your metrics are struggling for example, your taking the hit while your manger is not and you set up this entirely toxic structure where the talent in question is incentivised to try and do something new and creative in every way but the management is just as incentivised to shut everything down and demand they continue the same thing that isn't working out for them.
Its why >>90149685
>keep your head down, play the slop of the week, collect paycheck
Is naive. Your not a wagie who can simply go along with managements decisions that are bad for your channel and growth because your the one taking the financial hit over it.

>>90150504
He's doing much better now than before. Not the case for Magni, yes, but he went full retard on all accounts.

wdtmbi

>>90149513
I don't see any holo member.

>>90149968
given how female take vacations from vacations, I dot think so.

>>90154072
>member

>>90149866
No they only do that when its convenient to blame them for something.
>i.e when a homostar stream overlaps a holo graduation stream, suddenly they're hololive

Reminder that the average Holostars EN makes more money than ID and a good chunk of Hololive EN

>>90150684
>>90150827
he's not saying anything out of the line but he's was still, an homo anon.. if you barely can pull views or merch sales ofc mngment would be on your fucking ass if you do stupid shit bcuz why in the fuck a barely 3view moron is causing problems for everyone? is common sense to not cause problems in the first place and go safe if you're not big enough to take it, and in the end of the day is all about the kind of managment they get, you have jutard making his hate marketing bullshit and not only he didnt suffer consequenses for it, he went on public stream to lie about the very same shit he admitted on members, so its clear that this shit is not for every homo, just like some girls have good mangers and others have absolute pieces of shit like the one Fauna/Nerissa has right now

>>90149513
>Whines about management stifling creativity
>Hasn't done anything remotely creative after leaving, same with notMagni
>Notorious for being mentally unstable
He said what we already know, but anything he says has 0 credibility

>>90154882
eigo onegai

>>90154910
he's not talking about himself in that video

>>90154924
is not like a seapig from catalog like you needs it

>>90149685
HOLOSEETHE

>>90154971
He never had an out of nowhere break as Vesper, he was either suspended, dealing with family stuff, or traveling, the same with Magni but with con events as Lando.
What he's talking about here are long unexplained absences caused by the streamer being demotivated.

>>90149513
If you are new and a nobody, just follow the norm. You can do the stuffs that you want once you make it big.

>>90149685
based

>>90149513
VShojo won

Yeah he'd know a good bit about dealing with management wouldn't he lmao

>>90149624
>you leave with an audience you never had
Not all of them
And unlike other industries where you can leave a company or project and still be entitled to compensation for the work you did (i.e. royalties), no such thing exists for corporate vtubers.
You leave and everything you did is no longer yours. You aren't even allowed to say that you did it.

>>90151721
No shes not, tard. Or what offline work is she doing since she wont be part any of the events like fes.

>>90150155
I think it would be hard to deny that vtubing, the industry and the fanbase, is largely biased against men.

>>90149513
We knew this since Shiori's pumpkin carving stream
>Asks management if she can go with goth sleeves instead of standard gloves
>"uhh, sure i guess"
>proceeds to show off her hands, arms, shoulders, chest, shorts, and neck
>Next hand cam is Mori's nail salon stream, which gets 110% blasted over bare hands now that Shiori sounded the alarms
>HenMa probably got both his pinkies removed for his slip up
Letting the girls even LOOK outside the gated fence is a huge no-no now

>>90156227
Maybe the men should try being entertaining and creative instead of lazy sleazy sexpests

>>90151632
no retard it will still make manager try to "advice" talent to overwork

>>90149513
Fuck this homo is not hololi ehe slandering the good holollive management woh never do qwrong by the giorls

>>90149624
>You leave and you leave with an audience you never had
Dooby has maybe 40% more viewers than pre-holo, and its dropping every stream

>>90152020
>faggot can't speak for holo EN because he was never part of it
Do you think that Stars is somehow completely divorced from the rest of the company?
Like, do you think they aren't talking behind the scenes? Do you think that Cover arbitrarily changes management style based on branch?

>>90156469
>Do you think that Cover arbitrarily changes management style based on branch?
Unironically yes given the preferential treatment given to StarsEN as opposed to the girls

>>90156361
the fuck are you talking about? what the fuck do you think dooby pre-holo avg ccv was?

>Be NijiEN
>Get low views/money as NijiEN
>Get larger views/money when you leave (comparitively)
vs
>Be HoloEN
>Get large views/money as HoloEN
>Get low views/money when you leave (comparitively)

All of this feels like a pretty mild take, is this really what the bait threads are about?

>>90156280
Well see, the thing about that is that you're going to think they're "lazy sleazy sexpests" as early as pre-debut.
One of the Stars replies to a girl on Twitter to say "hey congrats" or something similar and he's "sexpesting" her.

Which only illustrates precisely what I'm talking about.

>>90156531
Perhaps the boys are just better at working with management

>>90156593
>add vesper/randon into OP
>get (You)'s
its really that simple. especially since blue homo had a yab, literally had the bad luck of posting this video a few days before.

>>90156650
This one sure wasn't kek

>>90156650
That would only make sense if it was NijiEN we are talking about. Selen's deathknell was complaining about Luxiem/Noctyx getting basically carte blanche for spending and infinite "warnings"

>>90149513
>management le bad
>muh creativity
>goes indie
>does fuck all
What a clown, these poor retards believe to creative and yet have nothing to show for it.

>>90149513
ah yes the totally natural 4 threads about a retard that barely has 4 fans on this website
glowniggers are more subtle that you morons are

>>90156531
Any examples of this preferential treatment?

>>90156783
>working for a company means pulling your own weight and not rocking the boat
>this is shocking to the homo

>>90156783
Never let "creativity" be the part you believe. So far Coco, Ame, and Vesper all said the same shit and have fuck all to show for it as indies

>>90156706
No that's a clear and obvious case of preferential treatment.
We don't have the same information for Holo. Like we don't have one of the girls wanting to do X, being denied, and then one of the boys gets to do it instead.

Stars definitely feels more loosely controlled, e.g. much more frequent collabs outside the company, but that could really just be down to them fighting harder (or smarter) to be able to do those things.

>>90156910
Ame’s first stream as an indie was pretty creative

>>90156878
How about StarsEN getting to clog up the permissions queue with hundreds of requests while the girls get to submit only a handful at a time? Or the official Twitter account giving StarsEN preferential spotlight for months on end to the point that Kronii had to threaten management in order to gat it to stop?

>>90156967
Proof of any of this happening?

>>90156955
>A thinly veiled lore story about her hating her job and wanting to quit, plus some 3D mocap
I saw this the past 5 odd times Nijis showed up as indie

>ex hololive member
>look inside
>homo who got insta suspended

>>90157031
how fucking new are you?

>>90150635
There is a huge difference for several reasons.

Audience size is a big one, but holostars don't get that luxury. Holo also didn't cripple existing talent with new waves in the same area every couple months.

Cover hires people that work well with everyone and are supportive. I believe Noel was holding out for Rushia for a long time before she gave up on her, which is saying a lot. In Niji they heard one bit of slander from management and we got the Selen situation.

Autonomy in merch sales. While there are plenty of group merch that they have to be a part of, they have a budget on what merch they can release at their own pleasure. In Niji, Scarle had to make her body pillow a free download so people could do it themselves. They would not allow her to have a body pillow.

And lastly money in general. Holo talents are only really poor if they're gatcha addicts, and even then it's not real poor. They get a salary unlike most talent agencies we see. They're allowed to be small and foster a good community before they grow.

We also know Randon has tons of crazy ideas that might not go well with an idol agency. He also probably also hated that he had to sing and dance for concerts. He's probably doing right now what's best for him. I did really like him and Magni though. I thought the group with Calli and Kronii was really fun. It's a shame they couldn't find themselves fitting in.

>>90156967
Meds

>>90157109
Give the proof. If you're not going to then I'm just going to assume it doesn't exist.

>>90157257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_vkXeRSJrg
Here you go, sis. This is just one instance of Kronii in particular being mistreated when it comes to perms and promotion of her projects.

>>90156967
nope, they got their game request limited too, Shinri is only allowed to request 1 game a month now

>>90157376
Yeah, now. How long did it take that inequality to get corrected?

>>90157356
You were supposed to prove that this happened because there's a 1000 permission requests frpm holostars, but you have not done that. Where's the proof?

>>90149624
Plenty of chuubas lost most of their audience after leaving.

Fuck off Randon, the guy who melty'd himself out of the best career opportunity he could ever have doesn't get to say shit about this. Makes sense he'd cite management as the reason though given how many times he got into fights with them, the fucking clown.

>>90157487
>what is a figure of speech

>>90157407
it happened a year ago

>>90157616
Fair play then, I'll retract what I said in this case.

>>90157521
he's not talking about himself in this video, its about corpo vtubers in general

>>90150349
4 years and unicucks are still seething.

>>90157569
Unsubstantiated claims are not """figure of speech"""

>>90149513
This basically means Haato's manager was putting his career on the line going with the Haachama bit, no wonder he got cold feet at the end and she was only allowed to finish it later.

>>90149968
the average male is not as submissive and passive as the average woman, a work that requires you to follow such rules is soul crushing and can even lead to suicide

>>90157376
What kind of shit is that? Niji members get to request as many games as they want all at once. Why the fuck would perm autism be different company to company?

The homos were a mistake

>>90158031
it's unclear, but they might not have a dedicated manager for it, it's just a task someone does time to time

>>90149513
Lol what a faggot

>>90157356
She literally said in the clip that everyone else has an easier time getting perms including the girls and that it’s mostly her problem, are you too autistic to watch a 2 minute clip?

>>90157487
Kronii also pointed out how she put in perm requests for Slime Rancher 2 a while back but only found out they actually had the perms because Magni played it the week before.

>>90158060
you are a mistake

>>90158231
Ok now how does that prove the claim?

>>90158231
Don’t the girls and stars have different managers anyways? This sounds more like Kronii’s manager being a tard than anything else.

>>90158006
He won't get it since he's a good wagie.

>>90156593
Whenever you see bait this desperate, it means things aren't going so well outside of the garden.

>>90149513
>"He knows NOTHING about HOLOLIVE management! They are NOT like that!"
>"management is HORRIBLE and has bias towards the homos!!!"
???

as a guy with a passing interest in vtubers, i gotta ask something
why are male hololive members so extremely disliked? from what i've seen they are mostly inoffensive.
even now, when a member talks about a glaring issue and a massive hurdle for all these people, it seems like some people just want to pile on to him for daring question the companies

>>90156841
He had his own general ever since he became Randon /pol/tourists

>>90158775
It’s unicorns mostly, they see males as solely out to cuck them with their oshi, even if they aren’t actively doing anything their mere existence in Holopro represents a possible future threat to CGDCT

>>90158775
Insecure cuckolds that feel threatened by any other male near their oshi

>>90158775
Lots of extremely self contradicting unicorn incels,

>>90158775
Most of the people with the most hateful responses had their favorite girl collab with them so they invented this scenario where she didn't do it out of her own interest but because she was forced to do it.
Others just don't like that such an objetive failure of a group is allowed to stick around and subsist just because of the success of the females.

>>90158775
Everyone was ok with male vtubers at the start, but then the industry got co-opted by ex idol managers.

Now the way this works is livestreaming to provide a fake feeling of company to people, instead of making videos and talking deeply about interesting topics.

>>90158775
holofags and nijiniggers are the sony vs xbox fags of the 2020's

>>90159311
Why is it that every post that refers to that event is always completely retarded?

>>90159531
I have been watching vtubers since 2017 and male collabs were never a problem until they tried to push them as idols.

You may seethe and not even directly engage with my post, because there is no argument to be made. I am right and idolfags and horrible retarded cucks.

>>90158775
don't mind the boys, but i hate the fans.

>>90159593
You oldfag LARPers are always so embarrassing. You can't even keep your story straight.

>>90159593
yeah youre mad, and retarded

>>90159684
>>90159689
No argument. Idol companies are corrupt, idols are grifting whores, and idol watchers are coping cucks.

>>90159727
Your oldfag LARP doesn't work because you're such an obvious EOP and a newfag.

>>90159791
You're still not answering the question. Why don't vtuber fans like male vtubers?

>says something completely reasonable
>hurr durr he was a homo who cares

>>90159935
Several people including myself answered the original question. Your question is completely different and doesn't deserve an answer.

>>90149513
Ame left because of the idol and homework side of things. She loves streaming but not all the other shit. Perms and projects were probably a factor but not as huge. Gura is probably the opposite. She loves Idol shit and only streams when it might be fun like a big collab or a game she is interested in.

>>90160348
All the replies before mine claim that idolfags are cucks, I don't know why you're so mad if you're agreeing with me.

>>90158775
Contrary to most of the replies to this post, the truth is it wasn't JUST about Unicorns. There's a reason why even the non-unicorn audience started to be more pro segregation. Initially, HomostarsEN was mostly positively received by not just outside but even this board. Hell, StarsJp pre-2022 was considered "underrated" by most fans across the board and either had a positive to neutral impression overall. Shit absolutely changed in 2022 when Shinove left and whoever at management decided to force feed StarsJP AND EN to the hololive audience.
>Tons of promoting stars via the main twitter account of both branches
>The "No Overlap" rule that got implemented during Uproar's 3d debut.
>Getting shoved into what should've been Hololive only event streams like the NY countdown, Holofes, Holomeet, etc
>There was even an incident where the taiwanese holofans complained when Holostars trinkets where mixed in with Hololive ones in a gacha (not sure if this was Cover or the event organizer though)
>StarsEN debuts getting a watchalong in the main HoloEN account which, if my memory serves me right, was the first livestream on that account ever
Now all of this would have been fine, and was the case for the most part, until the Homos (both EN and JP) themselves started fucking up on their own
>Pizzadad ditching his old man design for generic NTR dude #456412 (I loved that design and most of his former fans did too, but he pretty much told them to fuck off)
>Astel becoming even MORE menhera
>Most of StarsJP settling into just being a bunch of bums with no ambition (Uyu especially)
>Vesper getting the first announced suspension that had nothing to do with a broadcasted yab in all of HoloPro
>Magni inviting cancer like 39daph into collabs who actually tried to cancel Hololive after the negative response to their stream but got overshadowed by a twitch scandal
>Blue homo: "Support the cause"
And then they debuted Tempus 2 after 6 months despite EN3 being MIA for over 2 years. I think it would've been fine if the talent they debuted was worth accelerating for but outside of maybe Bettel, the rest were bad. And in Flayon's case, reeeeally bad. And on top of that, the starmin audience has gotten coopted by a bunch of bad actors and are pretty much just another antiHolo fandom at this point. Don't get me wrong, Unicorn's were definitely one of the reasons but they are definitely not the only or even main reason for where we are right now.

>>90149513
>>90077945

>>90149513
>>90151536
Seems like a pretty fine answer. It's not like called management dicks are anything. He framed it as them being in a position where they don't gain anything for taking risk but get the belt if their chuuba fucks up even by accident. It can't be easy for them especially since it seems the rules are either in flux or straight up different between branches and even the chuubas.

>>90161017
I don't agree with your retarded post.

>>90161096
I think you're in love with me. Your feelings for my innocent post are too deep and personal.

>>90158775
A lot of interactions from luxnoc fans that were posted here helped sour the reputation of male streamers.

>>90161173
I don't love retarded EOP LARPing as oldfags.

>>90149513
>hololive
Kill yourself dramaturd

>>90158775
They are boring.
Their fanbase is utter trash and composed of the dregs of the holo fanbase, the homos themselves constantly try to start shit and fight blaming their misfortunes on external factors instead of their own shortcomings.

>>90159311
>>90159593
Not a single interesting vtuber in that pic.
Yawnn, thanks Holo for saving the industry from mediocrity, as always.

>>90157137
More than anything else I feel like it's a fundamental cultural difference- Cover understands the value of at least trying to make your talent happy, Anycolor actively doesn't give a shit. Cover still has to say no to a lot of things because that's the reality of being a big company, but you can point to plenty of cases where they let the talents do something it would've been easier to say no to. Meanwhile with Niji you have shit like Pomu's story of that collab she wanted being shot down with no attempt being made at negotiation/compromise because they clearly didn't give a shit about her.

>>90161056
>And then they debuted Tempus 2 after 6 months despite EN3 being MIA for over 2 years.
Honestly I think this was the turning point over all else. Everything else can just be opted as bad decisionmaking or talent beint retarded, but even as someone who didn't mind Stars2 I still question why that short of a gap (or what they even were since it felt like they were just a extension of Tempus1 and not a full 2nd gen)

>>90161515
iirc they had 6, debuted 4 and then quickly found 2 more and thought they would be hotter than they turned out to be.

i might be mistaken but this is what i remember

>>90154508
All the "Holostars is Hololive" shit is used by your kind Beggar-kun

>>90158775
Because they're all pussies like the one in the OP. Imagine seething nonstop for an entire year because you got fired after swearing at your manager because they didn't approve your epic stream idea.

>>90161684
Why do you pretend to know what happened?

>>90161727
Because I read the OP and that's what I got out of OP's summary.
>why didn't you watch the clip
Because I don't watch homos.

>>90161616
The fact that they even thought that they had so fucking good leftovers that they could rush another gen was outright retardation and blind, I cant even recall any of their names other than goldboulder, and that's only because the absolute retard was showing his obese, brown hands while deciding to claim on his own that "Hololive supports LGBT", why didnt he get sent to the shadow realm for that shit, that's literally putting the company you represent on a political side on a fucking whim

>>90161515
Omega's brain is a real enigma of stupidity. I'm not sure if this came from a stream or some schizo ramblings that got peddled in somewhere but I think I remember it being mentioned that Flayon was 1 of 2 talents that passed the audition but since they couldn't debut a 6 man gen but still wanted to keep the other 2, they decided to speedrun Tempus 2 hence why their lore is so connected to one another. Still, debuting Tempus 2 so quickly, even if it was stupid, wouldn't have been such a big deal if the events that I mentioned prior hadn't annoyed the Holo audienced.

>>90150422
You must however understand artists man, that we have the word "creative" and the word "smart" as two different concepts. This has a reason.

The Tempus 2 speedrun was retarded but I do think it worked out for everyone in the long run. Imagine how much more cucked the branch would have been had they lost half their members instead of just a quarter. And Advent/Justice have been so much stronger than Myth/Council, presumably entirely because the delay put them entirely outside of Omega's reign.

>>90158775
>even now, when a member talks about a glaring issue and a massive hurdle for all these people, it seems like some people just want to pile on to him for daring question the companies
Unicorns likely agree with Altare that Cover has been treating the EN branch like garbage in 2024 but he might collab with their oshi so they are going to defend management. They know many of the HoloEN girls have similar issues and have made vague complaints on RM accounts.

>>90161439
>Cover still has to say no to a lot of things because that's the reality of being a big company
Cover might have financial reasons for why they didn't want Ina to have a 3D live in 2024 but the way they "forgot" her work visa was insulting. When management lies to them over and over again there is a reason they lose trust in their employer. Gura doesn't even know if the Full Color MV will ever be released.

>>90161952
I don't think those events contributed that much.
The big reason why backlash was so big was lack of EN3 combined with pretty much worst period in HoloEN history.
Some girls streamed while sick just so there's some content to watch and Cover had audacity to debut 4 more homos instead.

>>90149513
>Ask for a bigger salary
>Cover ignores his demands because he's not even close to Gura numbers
>Throw a hissy fit behind the scenes
>Cover suspends you because they're not retarded enough to drop you after they invested in a 2.0 model
>Instantly dips with his menhara boyfriend
>Discourages Cover from doing early 2.0s for the rest of the chuubas
Fuck this faggot

>>90161056
>And then they debuted Tempus 2 after 6 months despite EN3 being MIA for over 2 years.
Not "over two years"- closer to a year and a half, but it was also about when people were expecting EN3 going by the gaps from JP5->JP6 and ID2->ID3 so people were going "WTF" when they debuted a second round of boys at that point instead.

>>90161515
I'd imagine it was two things motivating them to debut Tempus 2 so quickly:

A) They might have considered there being almost a year between EN1 and EN2 to be too long and didn't want to repeat that mistake
B) They knew that the EN girls weren't going to be able to stream much in Q1 of 2023 because they'd all be in Japan for Holofes, making it a prime time to debut *some* kind of new generation for the EN audience. I'd say this was correct and the boys probably did get a buff from debuting in a period where the girls weren't streaming much (hence them repeating the same thing with the timing of Advent and Justice's debuts happening around when their predecessor gens were in Japan for 3D debuts) but obviously most of the girls' audience did not consider that to be a proper substitute.

>>90156361
she was averaging 2-4k in holo when under any sort of overlap before she got her graduation buff.
if she's still indie in a year she'll be a 3 view.

Streaming is not, nor will it ever be, considered a job. When the vast majority of streamers don't see themselves as providing a service and are instead constantly chasing this feedback loop of LA CREATIVIDAD you end up with an entire medium of people who need to constantly reinvent themselves out of pure spite.

>>90156894
Some people are not fit to work for corporations, as they want a stable thing - that they can then scale and replicate. That is the nature of corporations. Creatives types are, as he said, chaotic and impulsive, a lot of good ideas are ''in the moment'' / spontaneous. But that is life, you cannot have the perks of everything, and the downsides of nothing, its utopian thinking. You manage the tradeoffs and make your peace with the choice and its outcomes, or do something else.

>>90162706
fanfiction

>>90162706
Proof?

>>90162701
Considering everything that happened around that year in general its amazing how much of it kind of gets downplayed by "and then they debuted homos"

>>90162463
>Cover might have financial reasons for why they didn't want Ina to have a 3D live in 2024 but the way they "forgot" her work visa was insulting.
Are you implying that they fucked Ina's visa on purpose? How fucking schizo do you have to be to think that there's any rational reason why they'd do that? If they didn't want her to do some or all of the things she was planning on doing in Japan they'd just fucking say she couldn't do it, they wouldn't say "okay sure you can do the thing" and then sabotage her visa so she can't.

>>90150349
I guess you still haven’t improved yourself yet, after all these years

>>90162706
I too can make things up in my head to be angry about

>>90149513
Pretty wise.

>>90156361
Doob's audience was full of gachikoi who loved her and her first oob was to tell them to kys themselves.

>>90149513
>management wouldn't let me do anything too retarded, and that's... LE BAD
Great insight.

>>90150762
>>their lives are better than mine so they should be grateful instead of having higher aspirations than I could ever dream of!
This but ironically
Imagine having job that pays you playing video games and lets you make your own schedule, and then throwing a hissy fit and quitting because your manager(s) shot down your idea to do a one-off gimmick stream that most of your viewers will forget about in 2 months

>>90164421
>Are you implying that they fucked Ina's visa on purpose? How fucking schizo do you have to be to think that there's any rational reason why they'd do that?
Cover likely had financial reasons for wanting the 3D live to be delayed and it was far too much of a coincidence for the work visa to expire after Ina finished all the recordings for the Hololive concerts so that it only cancelled her 3D live. A part of the reason Cover spent tens of millions on a new studio is to advertise the Hololive character which is than used to sell merch. That management decided it was a waste of company resources for Ina to have a 3D live in 2024 means that something major is going to be announced in early 2025.

>>90156227
So it only exists when it's against men in this industry but not against women in other industries?

>>90149968
>not lying down and taking bullshit
>fragile
Nah. The ones who leave are the ones with the most conviction. Male or female.

>>90167270
What the fuck is your source on all of her work for other concerts being done and it just being her own 3D live being affected? I fucking watched the stream where she talked about the situation and I don't think she went into that much detail about what was and wasn't being cancelled/pushed back.

Beyond that, even if you're right about them wanting to cancel Ina's 3d because they thought it was a waste of resources was true- which is a stupid theory in and of itself, considering she's one of the more popular EN talents- as bad a look as it would be to pull the rug out from under her and say "yeah we know we said you could do a 3D live but we changed our mind get fucked" it's still a better look than "we're incompetent and fucked up your visa" so the idea that they'd fuck it on purpose just to not have to directly cancel a 3D live is in and of itself schizo fucking idiocy.

>>90165569
Suck management's cock more

>>90151536
>>90151632
>>90156307
>>90161083
>If a talent does really, really well, they don't get extra money (They only get a set salary).
this is the only way to make the system run properly, and I think cover is doing what it should

if managers were paid proportionally to the earnings of the talent, they would be incentivized to fight over who gets to manage the highest earning talent
they would all say
>ooh me me me I want gura, damnit that's taken okay fine give me calli, fuck okay who's after that
thered be no incentive to manage the lowest viewed members (meaning they'd probably give much less shits about them), *unless* the same manager's ambitions led them to push the talent to do numbers-driven growth, which is antithetical to being a creative and having a comfy streamer life
in the latter case you'd also get talents saying "im only doing this because my managers are pushing me to because they'll make more money from me" and it'll cause a lack of trust and professional working relationship with the manager

the closest to all this would be that one battle royale vtuber agency i think it was called nexas? iirc? the one with the proprietary app, and how well are they doing right now

Why are so many of you surprised people whose job depends on their talent not fucking around, stop their talents from fucking around?

Was this the whiny faggot on meds or am I mixing up homos?

>>90149513
oh no no no holobros/nijisisters how do we cope?

>>90169614
> meds
Weed

>>90151430
Reminds me of Magni shitting on OW and saying he hopes they lose perms for blizzard games.

>>90169702
Realize he's right in terms of over-cautious managers who have nothing to gain/everything to lose, bitch about it on the never visited plebbit, then forget about it by tomorrow

>>90166336
That's because you're an unambitious person.

>>90161056
You're forgetting the turning point where the fandom stopped handling the homos with kiddy gloves.
The homofags had been attacking Hololive fans for complaining about the lack of streams and new blood for months before this all while telling those who complained to go watch the homos. So when their 2nd gen debut in record time, their complete hypocrisy came into full view as they tried to make excuses why this was fine but asking for more girls isn't.

>>90167716
>leaving is proof of conviction
Means their dream was only ever to use Hololive as a stepping stone
i.e. they should go and stay go

Non-creative people cannot understand the urge to do new things creative people have. It’s something that will eat you alive if denied.

>>90168951
Something like this actually happened with early myth.
J-chad originally managed Mori and Kiara, after Mori blew up on her debut week she ditched Kiara and left her to fend for herself so she could focus on Mori exclusively.

>>90170314
>J-chad
>She
LOL

>>90149685
I mean you're not wrong but it's also not a crime to want to enjoy what you're doing as a career

>>90149513
>Play Minecraft
>Play the new Pokemon
>Play the Mario Kart collab
>Repeat
Easiest job in the world. Anyone who wants to stray from this doesn't know what life outside of OBS is like.

>>90170438
Noob trap
Making a career out of what you enjoy will kill your enjoyment of it

>>90170261
Suisei literally said on stream that most "rejected" projects are just a manager saying "ah, that would be difficult" and the holo instantly caving instead of pushing for what they want
It's pretty obvious when you see stuff like Koyori doing multiple projects that other holos had previously thought to be impossible solely because she nagged her manager into saying yes

>>90149513
eh, isn't that fag problem was all his own doing
no1 asked him to be a faggot druggie who just cause problems for everyone.

>>90170521
*and be entertaining
If these faggots were anything besides grifters looking to make a buck off the Hololive ticket they'd already be making big money fleshstreaming, but alas.

>>90149513
>I should be allowed to engage in risky behavior that has minimal to moderate upside and potential maximal downside with my emoloyer/contractor's investments that I have no personal investment in outside of whatever I can gain from the corpo
stfu you financially illiterate pleb

>>90149513
holostars aren't hololive.

>>90170789
not the point of the video, his editor made a misleading thumbnail

randon is right.
However, it takes a lot of employees to do a big project.
Negotiations with publishers, tax work, legal work, game licensing negotiations, industrial physicians, 3D asset development, large sponsorships, negotiations with other vtuber management....
If a vtuber is in a position to do paid gigs at large venues, it is impossible for an individual to do it.
The same goes for mint and doki.
If you just want to play games in front of everyone, an independent vtuber is enough. All he/she has to do is buy a body, look at the vtuber manuals that exist on the Internet, gather the equipment, and do the tax work himself/herself.
But big companies do big things to show their fans their dreams.
It takes a lot of employees who are serious and afraid of failure to make that happen.
Most of all, people who apply to be a big company vtuber should apply because they want to do something big.
If you don't understand the “big company vtuber team play,” you shouldn't apply. Those who apply to major vtubers instead of choosing independent vtubers because they “don't want to do big things” or “just want to play games” are, in my opinion, the wrong people to apply to.
I do not think the companies are at fault. I think it is my fault that the vtubers who applied try to sneak in without understanding the ambitions of the major companies.
I think applicants who are glib in interviews and talk about their dreams when they really don't have them are a nuisance to major companies.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

>>90170521
>Play video games
No one in Holo plays games

>>90149513
>I think the best way to manage a creative is to let them do what they want to do.
If that was true, they wouldn't need managers or corpos to begin with.

>>90170960
>Minimal upside
They are creators who are being limited in the kind of content they create. Anything "risky" is immediately removed by management and the managers don't even really help. They just tell them what they can't do

>People STILL defending HoloEN management after not 1, not 2, but 4 talents have had their projects either cancelled, delayed, or heavily altered for little more reason than laziness or irresponsibility on managers end
Wait until Goob shows back up in her PL, she will fucking lambast her manager to chars over the -almost- 50k she dumped for QUEEN to never happen

>>90156878
In the time between IRyS first mentioning that she was talking with management about changing up her model and her actually getting her 2.0 model, two generations of StarsEN debuted, two members of StarsEN got model upgrades, with one of those being an entire rework in the same vein that IRyS would eventually get, and then those same two guys graduated. It took IRyS longer than the entire careers of two of the homos to get something that management was more than willing to give them without a problem. And no, it had nothing to do with IRyS's artist, she said outright that it was entirely on management for holding it up.

>>90171368
Blue Dorito fans are already freaking the fuck out because of ame, Magni, and vesper confirming what they already know.
Guras light trolling is already making them freak the fuck out.

>>90171368
why wait? gura can say whatever the fuck she wants right now. what will they do? suspend her?

>>90171339
>They are creators who are being limited in the kind of content they create
Good, I don't want them pulling a Vox and infest the fanbase with insane fujos. Just stfu and stick to what has a proven track record. Let someone else be le creativity and avoid the stuff that fails and copynthe stuff that succeeds. VHS beat Betamax for a reason.

>>90171385
And her model still fucking sucks. They saddled irys, bae, magni, ina, and vesper with the absolute worst FGO artists.

>>90171558
But Ame didn't say anything related to management that wasn't obvious (they need to comply with Japanese copyright law) and the other two had a meltdown and quit while objectively being given favourable treatment and turned out to be uninteresting failures once the "restrictions" were removed

>>90171368
>defending holo management
Lmao, it's an open secret that the girls have been shittily managed in favor of pushing homos and persevered through all that.
Faggots get the slightest fucking pushback and start pitching a hissy fit. If they aren't actual faggots they should seriously consider checking T levels

>>90171676
>But Ame didn't say anything related to management that wasn't obvious
Her entire new character's lore is a very not subtle jab at working for Cover

>>90170630
so they should just sell their souls to the flavor of the week until they make enough to retire? It's easier said then done

>>90171676
Ame straight up shit on management. Again, not surprised because we all shit on management

holostars aren't hololive. ame is just as lazy as an indie as she was with hololive. nothing changed.

>>90170314
>after Mori blew up on her debut week she ditched Kiara and left her to fend for herself so she could focus on Mori exclusively.
This isn't what happened
J-chad didn't really "ditch" Kiara to focus on Mori, she was just generally incompetent
The difference is Mori is a bit too kind for her own good and let a manager who's skill is dubious at best, stick around while Kiara basically dumped her in favorite of a english speaking Cover staffer (Jenma) who got elevated to a managerial roll at Kiara's behest

>>90171737
She has literally not mentioned anything that is not simply endemic to working for any company in any industry. I am convinced the people who think things like permissions and paperwork are some sort of nefarious scheme to hinder their creativity have never had a job

Holostars are hololive and cucks and bootlickers are too afraid to hold management accountable for their constantly damaging their relationship with talents.

>>90171558
>fagni throws a tantrum because he thinks he's hot shit and deserves more than the gilded banquet of support the homos were gifted
>leaves in a huff and drags his gay menhera boyfriend that threw a tantrum and got suspended over losing perms for his faggy alien game with him
>Ame is a lazy ADHD-addled wreck of a human being that can't even follow basic medical advice of "don't eat gluten if you can't digest it and shit blood" let alone fill out a requisition form that knows she has problems
They are not the same

>>90171339
Well, "risky" are considered "risky" for a reason, and most of the time the riskiest or most innovative contents aren't the most popular ones either. Calling it "minimal to moderate upside" was right. It's not without reasons that there are laws and regulations for big organizations instead of just letting "creative" people run wild with their ideas.

>>90171847
I streamed for five years and never once had to do paper work outside of my taxes.

>>90171847
jollibee doesn't require permissions and paperwork.

>>90171645
Regardless, it's still blatant, undeniable favoritism toward the homos.

>>90171645
>And her model still fucking sucks
Could've told us you were blind, anon

>>90171953
I'm going to guess you also didn't appear in a bunch of concerts and other media projects, which are a component of being in hololive that is made extremely clear and explicit upfront to anyone auditioning. Even back in 2020 the website outright said that it's an idol group and members would be expected to learn how to sing and perform live

>>90149513
>I think. A vtuber is a Performing Artist. They are a creative, and it's never really a good feeling to like-- Basically a "non-creative person" is telling you "how to be creative", and that's just a recipe for disaster, in my opinion. I think the best way to manage a creative is to let them do what they want to do.
Well this is the problem, he fundamentally didn't understand the job. No, retard, you are not being paid to "be a creative," your job is to play the character that they give you. That means you follow the script: do what they say, follow their rules, and work within the boundaries they set for you. You are an actor. Act.

>>90171953
If you sent emails or agreed to ToS for anything that's paperwork, just in digital form.

>>90156469
Stars has a completely separate pool of managers and a different branch director from HoloEN proper since late 2022/early 2023 (Jap Man for HoloEN and Gorimane for StarsEN). So yes they're a good degree separated from the management style of HoloEN just like how ID is different from EN.

>>90171740
Unironically yes. What the fuck do you think happens to your motivation if you play your favorite games and you start getting rewarded less and your fanbase dwindles? Just do whatever makes bank and hustle towards an early retirement where you can actually do the shit you want to do.

>>90172274
>Play something other than Minecraft
>Fan base disappears
At some point we have to blame the fans for having such shit taste

>>90172189
Imagine being hired to play Macbeth as portrayed in the script but performing his lines with a French accent while twerking because "creativity".

>>90172342
>Kaela ruins minecraft
>everyone stops playing
>fan base disappears

>>90172189
No, the problem is the opposite. They're expected to be creative and the ones that have problems are not creative enough to think beyond "I literally cannot stream if I don't get permission to play a specific video game"
How the fuck would any of them have survived the months immediately following the holo-caust where they had permissions for LITERALLY only Minecraft and Nintendo games

>>90172362
Exactly, that's exactly what Vesper wanted to do, and that's exactly why nobody wanted to watch the shitty, french twerking version of Macbeth.

>>90172342
Normalfag taste wouldn't be normalfag taste if it didn't appeal to the lowest common denominator, but that's just how it is. Of course as a creator it's deteimental to look at things that way, but that's just how it is

The only way to fix this problem is to assign different managers that cater to a talent's different needs. If you are a chuuba who wants to do big and different things then she needs a manager that is willing to push hard for projects. Basically, the vtuber and managers need to be compatible too.

>>90171951
No one's saying Holo members want to break the law. They aren't even allowed to criticize something because management is afraid of getting into a corpo scuffle. A lot of members have talked about their projects having to be changed abruptly or just straight up cancelled because management decided that they have a problem with it now

It's like people here were blatantly ignoring what mio and suisei were saying when aqua graduated

>>90170100
Also, in addition to that, during Holostars EN2 announcements they shut down the main SubReddit meaning people couldn't discuss Ame's birthday or anything the girls were doing. That was the moment where I went full anti.

>>90156361
She doesn't have a schedule.
How the fuck am I supposed to catch her live?

>>90172975
Don't worry, hate marketing is the Holostars playbook. Creating more antis? Just a stepping stone to success.

>>90149513
I am going to choose to ignore the incels and unicorns in the rest of the comments and say that all this taught me is that Cover needs to institute a bonus pay system for managers that pull off successful endeavors with their talents.

We live in an era where rando indies can pull off impressive feats of technology or innovation in the field. They need to keep up, and recent moves tell me they know this. Cover should be completely mogging the industry with how much presence and connections they have.

The talents are all creative people who want to make waves online.
No one really cares if they mess up as long as they don't pull up something controversial or whatever. Most of the best content from Cover as a whole has been one or two talents doing something on their own.

Managers should be rewarded for helping guide their talents and hone in the creative chaos energy into something that can be realized. The talents already get rewarded with support from their chats and from the general attention they get online.

>>90172620
The point is that those restrictions are there for a reason.
As Marine said, even though there might be a lot of restrictions, those are there to protect the group and members first and foremost. It's not like the management just woke up, rolled a dice and made up some random restrictions for funsies. Isn't it understandable that Cover (or organizations in general) will try to protect themselves if the possible profits can't outweigh the risk?
It's understandable to feel frustrated when your idea / project is rejected, but that's just being part of a big organization. It's not like they can't defend their project in any manner anyway

>>90172797
>what mio and suisei were saying when aqua graduated
Literally everything any HoloJP has mentioned about Aqua's motive for graduation can be summarized with "she left because didn't like the workload"
Then she became an indie only to find there's still paper work and shit , then right back to having an inconsistent streaming schedule

>>90173215
>bonus pay system for managers
Congrats, you have created an incentive structure for managers to force talents to focus on profitability over doing what they want

>indies can pull off impressive feats of technology or innovation
Cite one single example that isn't something Kizuna Ai did in 2017

>>90173215
Tricky problem because you might end up with numberfag managers that force you to do things to prioritise numbers.

>>90173215
Managers constantly snub creative talents

>>90173215
Lmao do it, I'm all for seeing which managerial staff are actually loyal to the homos now that they aren't incentivized to prop up failures.

>>90171134
>I do not think the companies are at fault. I think it is my fault that the vtubers who applied try to sneak in without understanding the ambitions of the major companies.
The ambitions of the major companies is to have their vtubers just sit on their ass and stream all day and make $$$, just like indies do. If the company can get away with not doing any big projects/events, then that's what they are going to try to do. The issue is that most vtubers who join a company expect that company to work on organizing big projects/events with the money the company is taking from their donos/merch/etc. But many companies would rather just pocket that money and not invest it into big projects/events. That is exactly what happened to NijiEN, and look how they turned out.

>>90170100
Another thing. The weird culture war it suddenly brought to the fanbase. You had fan artists attacked for not drawing the guys "because they're holos too". You had bait superchats constantly interrupting the girls' streams where they were forced to state their collab stance. You had total menhera meltdowns from people like Kronii who kept repeating "I can collab with who I want".

>>90173215
Anon, we all know that everything that's going wrong is the management's fault. Thinking otherwise is saying the talents are, well, talent-less. And homofans don't even want to start imagining that.

Always blame the management for your sanity.

>>90156910
kson be regularly bringing cute girls over and getting kissed by them. She's absolutely winning

>>90172620
Risky doesn't mean breaking the law. For example, asmr is considered risky because of YouTube's autism. Risky here means endangering the talents channel. Either demonetization or outright ban.

>>90175070
This retard's idea of "creative risk" is ghosting his genmates, so...

>>90175244
he's talking about other streamers

>>90170668
>manager saying "ah, that would be difficult"
For that situation, I feel like there's a cultural difference not being translated
In the US, people tend to be very direct/blunt. If something isn't allowed, people will simply say no. In japan, that feels too rude, so saying an action would be difficult would be the "correct" way to communicating rejection.

>>90175244
Yawnnn

>ex hololive
>not actually hololive

>>90161056
This post pretty much perfectly sums it up.
>Tons of promoting stars via the main twitter account of both branches
They were really, REALLY fucking bad with this shit. I think one of the most egregious ones was them neglecting to post about Mumei's 1mil subs milestone for 3 fucking days but they sure as hell remembered to post about the blue homo's birthday. And they even did that before they posted Mumei's milestone. People were fucking pissed in the comments.

>>90175936
Blame A-chan for making "Hololive" be the umbrella term for all branches

>>90175070
I really doubt any project they genuinely wanted to do would have gotten them banned

>>90176053
They still can barely do anything on-time for the girls, pretty sure the internkek in charge of the account just personally hates Kronii and a few other girls

>>90176053
>>90176155
I think this is just an issue communicating between their managers and the person who takes care of twitter

>>90173270
If I remember correctly, Altare went on a rant about how a project he was working on for four months was abruptly cancelled. If management worked as intended, they'd have just rejected it without having him waste four months of his time

>>90176623
Breaking his morale like this was better

>>90176360
>have ONE JOB and it's to be up to date and on time for announcements that are announced ahead of time
>can't even do that
I could, and would, do it FOR FREE

>>90176053
Don't forget the HLZNTL push where the girls got coerced into FPSslop to prop up the homos further, Nene's manager even guilt-tripping her about her lower growth. Goddamn this actually makes my blood pressure rise.
To that one retard who thinks giving management incentives to make a talent grow, we've already seen how that shit plays out and want no part of it. Your failures being failures is entirely on them.

>>90156361
You do realize they don't want all those people they left behind, right? That's why they left. They hate the fanbase. That's why HoloEN graduates tell their audience to fuck off, they know some will stick around but they hope that the majority they don't want will leave.

>>90171953
yea and you don't have merch, collab or sponsorship too you fking loser.

>>90176942
>hat's why HoloEN graduates tell their audience to fuck off
There's literally only one person who does and she's entirely within in reason to do so

>>90176623
>If management worked as intended, they'd have just rejected it without having him waste four months of his time
Or things changed and something that was fine four months ago, aren’t any longer with new rules. Without further information, I can’t tell if it was, or wasn’t anyone (including the homo)'s fault

>>90176623
This thin skinned faggot would wilt like a rose with 0.001% of the abuse and mismanagement during the zhang era.

>>90177121
>Don't punish the zhangs that got coco's mod powers and harassed her to tears
>Fire coco after isolating her for half a year
>Make everyone omit Taiwan from their vocabulary
To be fair, i don't think anyone would or did survive the zhang era

>>90177385
How the fuck does one "punish the zhangs"?

>>90176623
>>90177109
They weren't sending his mocap suit cause they said something was wrong with it and they were going to fix it, but 4 months past with out them fixing it so he had them send it to him and he was able to fix it himself

>>90172574
Wow, so simple, why doesn't someone start a new agency and show Hololive how to do it right?

>>90177495
find the one who gave out the mod powers, its not only very easy to guess who did it, but there's active logs on who gets mod powers

>>90177385
>>Don't punish the zhangs that got coco's mod powers and harassed her to tears
>>Fire coco after isolating her for half a year
>>Make everyone omit Taiwan from their vocabulary
Weird fanfic
The Chinga-sperg out era is fucked as if, you don't need to make up to make it seem worse than what it

>>90177591
they do and fail

>>90177600
How does that "punish the zhangs"?

>>90175244
let it goooo
let it gooooooo

>>90177689
>Remove their mole, so they no longer can harass the girls - maybe even get some actual names
Are you entirely devoid of logic?

>>90177632
their really should be a subscription or mandatory enrollment to /vt/, because holy shit the newfaggotry is damn near miasmatic at this point

>>90161056
Literally all of your first few points are precisely because of unicorns and Holostar antis getting uppity, and the second half is just viewing the talents through a malicious bias.

>>90177805
How is that a punishment? How do you know that they were not removed?

>>90176127
alot of indie doubt it too untill they got ban

>>90177964
pun·ish
/ˈpəniSH/
verb
inflict a penalty or sanction on (someone) as retribution for an offense, especially a transgression of a legal or moral code.

>>90157569
>moving the goalposts
Pathetic

>>90178120
Locking your door isn't a punishment towards burglars, retard.

>>90178383
removing a position of power from a zhang is though
or at least it would have been, had Cover actually had a spine that wasn't the color of their workers- you triple retarded, double dipped fuckwit

>>90178511
Still not punishment. You also dodged my other question.

>>90178651
that is the literal definition OF punishment you fucking mongoloid
And they weren't removed because Cover never said they were removed

>>90177805
>>Remove their mole, so they no longer can harass the girls
>>90178511
>removing a position of power from a zhang
What? lmao, you seem like a genuine newfag so I'll spoonfed you;
The zhangs who got modded in Coco's chat weren't actual real people and had nothing to do with a "mole"
Coco herself made a list of different accounts spamming her chat and passed it up to management so that could ban them in advance, rather the her having to ban a bunch of accounts manually during stream
Somehow management fucked up modded some of those accounts (they even banned some of her viewers before anyone noticed)
This would cause Coco to get so frustrated that she would cry on stream, which in turned incited management to allow Coco to just mod some of her long-time/trust viewers
Idk where the fuck you got this "there was mole" or "there was zhang in a position of power" shit from, when that's not what happened

>>90178784
>And they weren't removed because Cover never said they were removed
Ah so they work at Cover to this very day and keep allowing the zhangs to attack anyone because Cover never said anything.

>>90178849
There were obviously zhangs inside Cover. Coco hinted at it herself.

>>90179041
it came to xhim in a dream

>>90179041
>There were obviously zhangs inside Cover
No there weren't?
>Coco hinted at it herself.
No she didn't?
Cover fucking nuked the entirety of HoloCN over that shit, you'd have to be delusional to think they left zhang on-board just funies

>>90179254
Please understand, he gets his information from dramatubers.

>>90156967
>It's the boys' fault that a company as massive as hololive can't hire some literal who to email/fax/call a company with a boilerplate perms request
I suppose the technology just isn't there yet

>>90177632
Yeah, while how Cover handled the China incident, particularly how they treated Coco in the aftermath, was disgracefully chickenshit of them, I feel like if Coco's departure was a firing- be it in the literal sense or the "politely asked to leave" sense- she'd probably have hinted at that at some point in the past three years.

>>90173294
You think she regrets leaving now?

>>90176942
sounds like ex-nijis especially Mysta, ex-holos cry about fans who left

>>90179426
>It's the boys' fault they're such unentertaining time and money sinks that the company is finally giving up for them
Indeed so

>>90179617
nigga what the fuck are you on about

>>90149513
>opinions from a KWAB who got fired right after getting a non-shit model because he chimped out at management
No thanks I'd rather trust someone like Ame in case she ever comes out with her opinions on the matter.

>>90179652
Why waste time and money on fiscal dead ends?

>>90179856
are you under the impression that the girls are getting a lot of permissions granted in a timely fashion or something, retard?

>>90179827
Considering she can simply pop back as Ame anytime she wants I highly doubt she's going to burn bridges like that, unlike some ex-homo failures at life.

>>90178849
holy fuck, talk about proving the "management is shit" rrat

>>90179487
Yeah, I don't understand how you could think Coco left on bad terms/was fired when she herself made it painstakingly clear that she choosing to leave over "creative difference", she given the biggest and most extravaganza exit of any graduate, has generally zero issue making meta-comments on the state of vtubing as Kson
She's made so many snide comments directed at the retarded shit Niji has done, that if Cover pissed her off in some form we've probably known about it years ago

>>90162706
what really happened
>ask your manager for XCOM perms for your management-mandated twitch stream (which you made into a 24h Stream)
>they give you the OK
>day of the event Management is like "oh actually turns out we didn't get the perms lol"
>do factorio and some other shit instead
>management tells you they got the XCOM perms this time for real
>go to stream it
>hahah whoops we messed it up again lol
>go off on the absolute incompetents that "manage" you
>get suspended
that's the lore and you'll never tell me otherwise

>>90180064
>proving the "management is shit" rrat
That shit happened like close to 4 years ago and 2 years before Vepser/Randon showed up
Management is WAY better at handling "yabs" now than they were back then

>>90180064
Management for the girls have consistently been shit in favor of the homos, which is why it's extremely funny to see these faggots stab their managers in the back despite all the times they went to bat for them.

>>90180374
KWAB

>>90180374
Yep, I think what was going on is that the perms only lasted for 1 week and they might have been putting it in too early, like stated above somewhere, there's no actual "perms manager" its just a chore some one or more does periodically.

>>90149513
Don't make me tap the sign

>>90180495
>You're a bitch for telling management that they're incompetent monkeys instead of just bowing your head and letting them shit on you
literal bug-people, you.

>>90180416
that sounds like a really bad yab though, modding antis, yikes!

>>90180416
Cover is still a black company. Kson was right

>>90156469
I think they don't allow them to do anything too risky because it wouldn't be worth it and they're too small to convince management otherwise because nothing suggest they know what they're doing since they are shitters now and were complete shitters without Cover.

>>90180594
Oh no no, don't mind me, I'm sure he has massive success now that he isn't burdened by the fetters of incompetent management.

>>90180717
When has Kson ever called Cover a black company?

>>90180767
and what, pray tell, does that have to do with what I said? Dumb ape.

>>90179426
>hololive
>company

>>90180794
Always

>>90180885
my bad, I didn't call it COVER or HOLOPRO or whatever you want to call it you definitely couldn't figure out what I was referring to after such a MASSIVE MISTAKE.

>>90179904
They are all under the impression that the girls don't get fucked over by management

>>90180824
Yeah! Stick it to the man, bro! Don't let any of these dunces hold you down!

>>90180631
Yeah it was and everybody correctly called them retards for doing that
But it wouldn't happen today because Management's takeaway lesson from that embarrassment was that it's best it just allow girls to give mod power to people at their own behest
So now when you walk into a HoloID stream, like 1/4th of the chat has mods power because they mod all their streaming buddies for example

>>90180959
If she says it "always" then surely you can link to a stream timestamp or other place she's said it, right?

>>90181165
Just check any of her rants about the vtuber industry. They are all about Cover.

>>90155989
What would they get royalties on? When you leave they stop using your character in projects and stop selling your merch. There's nothing to pay royalties on.
If they keep your channel up I guess you might be entitled to a percentage of whatever residual ad revenue it generates but it's probably gonna be very little.

>>90161515
Any hype for males was already over at that point Tempus numbers were down and Vesper was going menhera, really it was mostly about Vesfag going full leech mode inserting himself into hololive even fagni didn't push for mixed collabs as much.

>>90181378
ah yes, I'm sure the nervous wreck was pushing for collabs, not the other individuals involved. Are you retarded?

>>90180374
This retard really said "what're they gonna do, fire me?" then got all mopey when they did

>>90181443
It's well known that Vesper was using management to force Kronii to collab with him.

>>90181580
>my crackpipe circle all think this [absolutely retarded statement] is accurate

>>90180527
>there's no actual "perms manager"
No, they're are in fact, people who's jobs exist soley exist to seccure perms for games/copyrighted material. The actual issue is that its really fucking slow and archaic the process is
Just saying "everyone can stream my game" isn't enough, first you have to wait for them to email you, then you have to respond (you can see how this can be an issue for one-man dev teams or really huge companies) to that email and detail any conditions about the perms you're giving them, and then you have to wait for the employee who you're responding to see that email and THEN the Holo has perms
I had to do this give Holos perms for a fangame I made and the process legit took like 2 weeks

>>90171953
why would some nobody shitter have to deal with bureaucracy?

>>90177518
The mocap suit was a different thing entirely. He said that thing happened in two months

>>90181758
That sounds like a fucking hassle for the game maker. No wonder hololive can't get perms.

>>90181758
if only they could expediate the process by making a boilerplate email that has a form you could fill out or somesuch thing...

>>90181306
>What would they get royalties on?
Ad revenue on their videos? From streams/purchases of their music?
It might be next to nothing but it isn't nothing.
And if you retain a post-activity relationship with the talent through this kind of arrangement, why wouldn't you continue merchandising the character?

>>90182490
bcs it would be seen as exploiting the fan. why wouldn't they hire someone else to replace the vtuber. samething.

>>90182594
>it would be seen as exploiting the fan
no, if the original talent is getting the money and the fan is getting merch of them, there's no problem

>>90181758
I remember this when Lethal Company blew up. Holos didn't get to play the game until like a month later and remember thinking that was funny when the guy just upfront said he had no issues anyone streaming it. Some of the Stars even got onto their PL accounts to stream a game there because they couldn't do it in Holo

>>90181580
Kronii did want to get on the good side of management but she liked the collabs with Vesper and Magni. While management definitely encourages HoloPro unity the idea they were forcing it on Hololive is unicorn copium.

>>90182862
yep, Altare, Axel, Bettel, and Shinri

>>90182684
Oh please, no problem my ass, maybe for fans of that individual talent, but for the rest I don't think so. it will also affect hololive as the graduation is completely meaningless, the whole arc, the story of what makes hololive special will be gone. you people really think hololive is just a streamer company.