/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

It's the middle of the week, so sit down, relax, and have a cup of /warkop/!
To be honest, all of the discourse around CF this time are a bit exaggerated, and for me it's exhausting.
Are some of the complaints legit? Of course! But there are those who say things for the sake of getting attention only, without contributing much to the discussion for improvement.
Anyway, I rant too much, let's do news!

>>89413561
Yorukaze released a group cover of Utattemita no Uta.
https://x.com/YkzProduction/status/1854519293482017242
You can listen to it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI_ZifJ9QPk

>>89413561
To celebrate their 4th anniversary, UverID is doing a what-if stream specials.
https://x.com/Uversal_ID/status/1852367557262815636
All of their talents will be doing a high-school RP streams throughout the month until the main event on November 24th

>>89413561
JKT48v will be attending Indonesia Game Festival (IGF) 2024 On December 6th to 8th
https://x.com/AKAVirtualOnAir/status/1855913045534662831
You can also get a 3-days free pass from them by checking on this link:
https://www.loket.com/event/igf2024

>>89413561
Holo ID announced that some of their merch are no longer sold via Tokopedia
https://x.com/hololive_Id/status/1856241022877217199
For items not listed in the tweet, sales will continue until they are closed on December 23rd
https://x.com/hololive_Id/status/1856493437362811198

>>89413561
Moona released a new song under her holo-n label, titled Multiverse.
https://x.com/moonahoshinova/status/1855900194996699473
You can listen it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSdl2kWrHg

>>89413561
Lastly, an update on Zoey situation:
Her channel is still terminated, and she is still trying for an appeal
https://x.com/UtadaZoey/status/1856411419765551143
Although looking at the response from YouTube, it doesn't seem that she will get her channel back.
https://x.com/TeamYouTube/status/1856402537684881565
In the meantime, she also opened a Twitch channel, and her old ASMR and vlog channel is still intact. You can follow her in the following links:
https://www.twitch.tv/utadazoey
https://www.youtube.com/@UtadaZoeyIRL/featured

And, that's it for now! Have a nice Wednesday!

Absen dulu adick adick
siapa disini yang masih percaya ada ID4?

>>89415842
>>89415074
>minta ID4
>minta ada warehouse di Indonesia
ngmi.

>>89415989
idk about how much it cost to nurture a newer gen, but i have a feeling that it's still much cheaper than having a local warehouse in this poorfag fandom country
birokrasi taik, daya beli kecil

>>89415614
>looking at the response from YouTube, it doesn't seem that she will get her channel back
Based YouTube

>>89416199
If other JP companies can do business in Indonesia despite the disadvantages, why can't COVER Corp. do so?

>>89415614
lol get fucked

>>89416358
idk, they're too white&clean to kneel on our bureaucracy?

>>89415842
I'm still wondering if the key reason behind the lack of ID4 is the trademark lost at JPcourts

>>89417173
could be that
or could be the lack of promising fresh talent
or worse, could be HOLO MERGE on planning

>>89417410
Personally speaking, if the trademark is what really delays ID4 then I don't mind if cover shifted into homoID, they could just name the branch holobintang and that'd enough to bypass the court reasoning behind holoID trademark loss

>>89417701 (me)
Also I wanna reply this to VR
https://x.com/VRchama/status/1856327747003433303
Look for males, it's better to launch homoID than to put IDs on homoEN, they were already fucking divided thx to flip pandering, so putting IDs on homoEN instead of their own branch would only further disillusion among homoEN fans which is bad for that branch's goal to win westerners attention

>>89418111
>they were already fucking divided thx to flip pandering
QRD?

>>89417701
>holobintang

>>89418627
I talked to some of them and they've told me this
>it's hard for homoEN to grow without Magni and Vesper so they don't get why cover let them leave without fighting to keep them first
>Armis is a lackluster gen for them, especially Jurard since his content won't work on YT altho they argued that it might work better on twitch

>>89418801
>lastest Holostars EN generation is a lackluster
>no ID4 so far
>the most likely reason is too unsustainable for an already smaller market ID, compared to JP and EN
>somehow debuting Holostars ID is a good idea

>>89418801
>relying on magni and vesper
>while they themself relying on girls collab to make numbers
idk wan, i watch some of them boys moment, but the only streams memorable to me is the one they tried to do court trial, whoever said its hard to grow without those 2 seems like has a bigger skill issue to capture the market

>>89419064
Stars biggest subcount is roberu with 332k, then ragus with 299k
roberu yg asik gitu aja cuma 332k
its owari da for any STARS branch
CLOSE IT NOW YAGOO! YOU'VE DONE ENOUGH, 5 YEARS EXPERIMENTING ON YOUR FAILED PROJECT IS WAY TOO LONG! CLOSE IT OR I'LL SELL ALL MY COVER STOCK i don't have cover stock btw

>>89419091
I mean yagoo has already spoke up about what's their skill issue in homoEN
>we can't seem to grow out from Asians
>we tried to tap in into other demographics like blacks and hispanics (this might be why they've added Hakka) but it's still slow atm
So contrary to what >>89419064 said, ID might be the better market for homos, because this is the hotbed where malechuuba fans resides in, not the west unlike the femchuubas

>>89416358
simple, they see the noombers and decided the disadvantages is too much to bear

>>89416358
Tapping the ID potential doesn't included on the new direction of Cover. The experiment finished with ID3 on how to pick talent specialization.

>>89419811
Ah welp then, I guess that means roda trus berputar anon is right and we'll slowly see it tilt towards the age of AKA

>>89419881
It's nice if AKA can force their hand. On the other side, AKA success is carried with shorts right now so they probably even having more doubt to follow AKA's step for further expansion.

>>89419969
If promoted well, the shorts stiil could translate well into CCVs, I saw it with Akemi's 3D reaching 4views, but we have to see if this will continues well with their upcoming gen

Also speaking about AKA, with Zoey's channel gone, I think she won't enter AKA anytime soon, so who do (you) think will get poached by AKA this time?

Does HoloID really not have a physical office? I mean, even buzzers (digital agency) has their own office.

>>89419969
>>89420084
The debate about the effectiveness of meta shorts is still quite difficult to judge. But I think it's about how to utilize their time in order to produce content. If you're a streamer or content creator, of course you'll do anything to stay productive, right? So, I think creating shorts is one way to keep them productive and also add variety content in their channels.

>>89420342
Probably Tenjin?

>>89420746
Aside from Senon, I don't think he's close to any AKAs isn't he? I thought he's more likely to join Yoru with Reru already there

>>89419881
AKA is nowhere near relevant, the only things that gonna happen if cover stop investing in ID is the death of ID chuuba scene.

>>89420084
>I saw it with Akemi's 3D reaching 4views
...is this supposed to be impressive??

>>89419881
>>89419969
>>89420084
>Only three or four of AKA Virtual are 4view
>Mika and Caine are consistent
>Miu is 4view on GTA V RP streams
>Gin sometimes on 4view but mostly high 3view
>Souta is mostly high 3view, only reached 4view once
>4view stream among the rest of AKA Virtual chuubas is rare and only happened sometimes on certain circumstances
>most of the AKA Virtual chuubas are either 3view or 2view
t. Tally Anon, infected with M U A L A S virus

>>89421264
Compared to any nonholos, yes

>>89421203
>the death of ID chuuba scene.
I'd argue that already happened the moment niji pulled off from ID, heck I'm gonna blame them as well for the lack of ID4 because it's them who sent the signal to cover that ID is hopeless

>>89421354
but we're talking about the potential holo replacement, so you can't not count holo. if that's what gonna be our future leading corpo than it's GRIM

>>89421593
I guess that proves the monke theory right that in the long run it's just better for Indonesians to stick into 3DPDs

>>89421593
It's still impressive for non-holo to reach parity with Iofi still. It's not like they can easily have connection with called so the infamous 'box' to climb.

>>89421285
Goddamnit, treerat ... Look at what you've done to this poor Anon /here/

Kobokers napa tuh di Twitter

>>89421593
It's not grim. HoloID numbers are boosted by overseas fans, without them maybe only Kobo will reach 2k ccv.
So AKA not being in Holo but can consistently maintaining 4view from purely ID viewers is amazing.

>>89421285
If you think about it, in Hololive JP it is also rare for anyone to reach 5view. You can count in your hands how many of them who can. But that doesn't make them a failure. Being 4view is not good enough in Japan where vtubing is their culture just like Dangdut is in Indonesia, and they're one of the most advanced countries with almost 100% internet penetration.

Being in Hololive means higher standard, they have to gain higher numbers and earnings with all the advantages they have, or they would get axed despite doing okay for ID standard like Niji ID, while any other ID vtubers don't really have to (literally being 2view donothon vtubers can feed a family, as that one vtuber said).

>>89420418
they probably rented a virtual office in sudirman or something. theres no reason to have physical office when the whole operations runs on discord

VRchama or any other Vtuber ID Awards panitia here, I hope you really have a plan to prevent a Holosweep. Holo ID dominating the vote in CF only shows that the way it is, it's just become another popularity contest.
Remember why Grammy or Oscar are prestigious is because they're not a popularity contest. Real players from the industry are the ones who have the voting power, not the masses. Otherwise Taylor Swift and Marvel movies would sweep all the categories. That would make it uninteresting awards right?

>>89422641
don't listen to him VRchama, i need my shitposts material

>>89422641
Don't bring normie references in /here/

>>89422468
masalah flower stand aja ama poto. Staff holo ga ada ambil foto bunga sama sekali, jadi si kobo ambil foto viewernya, beloman ijin. Ada yang meng-iri karna flowerstandnya bang dillon di notice duluan. Jadilah yang skizo-skizo pada gerutu, padahal yang sering buli kobo ya mereka2 juga, giliran kobo yang begitu, pada baper. Makin males aja udah kobo ngetwit2 hal-hal lain selain rt art, sponsor, dan yang kerjaan dia aja di hololive.

>>89423252
i just read the thread, she fuckin lost old jp ojisans kek
but then again, as a chumbuds, i know his feeling all too well
pukpuk buat yg sakit ati. pindah oshi sangat disarankan

>>89423252
>Staff took a picture (why 1? because if 2 make other fans or smth jelaous or war)
>Post it

>>89423252
staff took 1 (the cooler one is dill0n) and concert photo

>>89422468
(wrong reply lmao)
>Staff took a picture (why 1? because if 2 make other fans or smth jelaous or war)
>Post it

>>89423252
staff took 1 (the cooler one is dill0n) and concert photo

>>89423252
>Jadilah yang skizo-skizo pada gerutu, padahal yang sering buli kobo ya mereka2 juga
But it started from a Holofan from JP, no? Not the usual VPU? Also, I think something is wrong when even Reghinskuy refused to defend Kobo and made a thread to criticize Kobo.

>>89423590
>Not the usual VPU?
they now post it
>made a thread to criticize
since the second photo from her/him (idk)

>>89423629
already post it*

>>89423629
>they now post it
They didn't start the fire, said JPbro did (or is there someone else?). Also, some of the members there are confused, too. Again, there was something wrong when a Kobokerz who's usually supportive of her antics made a thread criticizing her. Unless you want to apply "oknum" logic.

>>89423734
rarely stream, that a answer.
Well, the funny one? they (not the jp one, ofc idfans) asking it to post it about that concert. (you can search it by scroll day 1 after concert)

>>89423590
Yoi itu dari fansnya, si kobo kalo udah deket ama fans, ya becandaan fotonya si regina di cap sama kobo kalo staff holonya yang ambil. Cuma reghinanya ga nangkep jokesnya atau pengen lebih di apresiasi aja jadi ya begitu.

Selamat tinggal persona kobo yang suka ngejokes kayak anak tongkrongan.

just hope, she not post the dm like there proof i got 1 pic. since might be break NDA
anyway, how the fuck Moona original song still not posted by HoloID/EN/JP Twitter + UMG twitter and Holoplus?

>>89423252
As a mantan Koboker, if I was the one in in the past who see this kind of problem then I would immediately panic and my heart would flutter thinking about this kind of drama for 3 days and 3 nights. I mean, there were a lot of non sense hate speeches from haters to Kobo in the past, but there were also a lot of disappointing/unfortunate feelings to her especially in terms of balancing self-image, decision-making, and make content. But now I'm used to it because I'm at the level of looking at her neutrally. Udah nemu pengganti juga hidden gem, bukan dari agensi apalagi Holo :p

>>89423474
Waduh apalagi chubuds yak. Live striming cuma promosi merch abis itu ga ada sama sekali pemberitahuan . Nasib fans bocah kecil warna biru EN dan ID

>>89423997
>spoiler
Did you take the indie pill or just moved into smol corpo?

>>89424077
indie

>>89424077 (me)
Ah wait, my reading reps failed me again, so it seems like this anon has fallen into the indiefication horde

>>89423882
The problem is even if it's true that Kobo is just joking, it just didn't fly to that JPbro.
>Indonesian tongkrongan joke meets Outdonesian holofan

>>89423997
>spoiler
Is it also blue and loli? Because I know few of them. Give me the name.

To all Kobofags, go back to your shithole while it's still active >>89372200

>>89424180
Sod off gatekeeper, this is a containment thread

>>89424135
When she streams, she always thanked to her fans that always watched her, superchat her, and the one that always go to her concert. Idk maybe ppl wanna get more appreciate by posting in her x, bcs she rarely doin that in x, tiktok, or instagram

>>89422468
It's over, they're finally mad that she gave zero fucks to her holo persona fans now. i don't think she can recover anymore in holo. better graduates fast before the virality of her rm dies out

>>89424180
That one is for horny posting only dude

>>89423252
>iri
It's not 1 gachis vs another gachis. It's the main bouquet from her fanbase. Literally the flower bought by a bunch of Kobokerz money. It's 100% absolutely rude from her ignoring that just because most of her donations are just from Bang Dillon alone nowadays.

>>89424256
>Idk maybe ppl wanna get more appreciate by posting in her x, bcs she rarely doin that in x, tiktok, or instagram
Welp, I guess this is the problem. Even if she wants to keep the gimmick, she can play the "always a gaki but can be a dere sometimes" gimmick. Also, it's just two flowers, right? Should be easy to take a picture of them, not just one (by herself or staff), and post some appreciation words on X, no?

>>89423582
>>89423629
>>89423837
>>89423961
>>89424256
For God's sake anon, if you gak bisa enggres and doesn't want to break the rules by speaking in Indo, then atleast use a grammer checker site or even chatgpt. I thought zoomers like you guys always use chatgpt now.

It's fucking free, and it's save us from severe brain aneurysm reading your gibberish.

>>89422641
No one is going to spend their time watching every ID vtuber that is nominated for this shit unless they're getting paid to. This is a fan event, not some prestigious award ceremony.
Get a reality check. No one gives a shit about your 2view oshi

>>89424426
This. We're all ESL and made grammatical error all the time, but atleast makes it easily comprehensible.
Although i have a suspicion that they're just one of those retarded indogs that probably still speak incomprehensible even in Indo

GIB ME BLUE CUNNY UUOOH VCHUBA THAT WON'T HURT MY FEELINGS PLSSS
is that mizumiya girl worth my time?

>>89424590 (me)
or should i just wait for my Queen Sendawa return to shitpost in this era?
coz i have a feeling that she won't treat me like rubbish in senzawa form, maybe we will get drunk together even

>>89424590
It's time to join us dev_is chads and watch Su-san! (not the dead one)

Ara Random
https://www.twitch.tv/araasaurus
Nima HSR
https://youtu.be/TxON9lH-II8

>Kobo is continuing her study
Reject holo, embrace PNS!

>>89424590
PNS, jaya! Jaya! Jaya!

>>89424850
i can't handle su voice

>>89424898
PNS, jaya! Jaya! Jaya!

>>89424898
No chindo wants to be a PNS let's be real here

>>89424982
why?

>>89424898
speaking of finishing uni... what happened with Iofi? did she graduate yet?
>>89425076
she's half chindo, so there's 50% chance

>>89424590
I've seen 3 nickels but never watched them so far. What do you think of Zeyayaya, Princess Vanta, and Lucia Seraphina?

>>89425221
>Zeyayaya
is she still in png form?
btw thx wan, i'll try to watch lucia

>>89425546
Yep, still png.

>>89413561
https://twitter.com/allyncaparina/status/1856674969641689241
>indie news
Senon's chara daughter Crystallyn Caparina announced her debut on 15th November, with details yet to come

>>89425221
I don't really watched any 3 of them, and I only know some of their tidbits
>Zeya
Quite a number of audience, constantly being shilled by fleshies like bang Al
>Vanta Arissa
One of the rising stars, it seems she's in a lot of collab nowadays
>Lucia
New-ish, but got some early boost thanks to a high profile graduation that happened around the same time of her debut

Pingu-Mila Gartic Phone
https://youtu.be/raXjr6OuKqY

Echi Ringfit
https://youtu.be/BolJ9yojL5Q

>>89424329
Oof.
https://x.com/shirodb_/status/1856649466201399335

Phinia Donathon
https://youtu.be/v8oGVoFvn7E

>>89424426
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*DORR
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*Gedebuk
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Free Fire tidak akan tergantikan! Aku benci game sigma!

>>89423252
https://x.com/blck_swan21/status/1856658704197681287

Enji Cult of the Lamb
https://youtu.be/fVmSIfzEbLQ

>>89427363
GITAAAAAA ISTG DO YOU WANT TO NIJIFIED(en) HOLO ID OR SOMETHING?!?!
GET A GRIP, DO YOUR FUCKING JOB!

maybe gita is the one to blame for the canceled ID4

>>89427363
Did Kobo just tell you what really happened in membership?

>>89427849
Bold of you to assume that I watch Kobo, let alone membership her.

Elya Freetalk
https://youtu.be/_BOlu1UdSbg

>>89422468
>>89423252
TKP:
https://x.com/kobokanaeru/status/1855498754415345674
https://x.com/kobokanaeru/status/1855505794789499240

>>89424329
This. Kobo somehow pissed off her JP Kobokers. The one who's most likely to throw money more than IDbros. I mean, look at him. The dude is still pissed off.
https://x.com/mn_syochan

Never bite the hand that feeds you.

>>89428479
Meanwhile I wrote a cringe post it note last holoID cafe and my oshi actually kept it when I wish she threw it away fuckkk

Cilla Webfishing
https://youtu.be/gN7iK630l6U

>>89428208
>THANK YOU FOR THE BEAUTIFUL FLOWER ARRANGEMENT
>this too i guess
I'd be pissed off too ngl

>>89428208
>>89428793
Eh the first one looks way more impressive with all the standees. How much did the second one cost anyways? Can't be that expensive with so many people taking part

>>89429059
sorry for being poorfag bang dillon

>>89428793
Also, this Koboker.
https://x.com/shirodb_/status/1856649908528484855

>>89429665

SIAPA VTUBER YANG CARA NGOMONGNYA GIRLY CENTIL, SUARA IMUT NATURAL?

>>89429874
The fact that this JPbro still remembers that Kobo didn't respond to his bouquet almost a year ago...
https://x.com/mn_syochan/status/1738378941025620124

>>89429665
Oh shit I remember this guy(girl?). I thought she stopped watching vtubers entirely like hana3ru

>>89282162
>>89283757
JKT48 line up are in.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DCUGnsdT8jy/

>>89430294
AAAIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>89430294
Speaking about timnas, does anyone /here/ followed Pekora? Will she nobar their match against timnas and if so did she managed to get an IDmem with her?

>>89430441
Sounds like a good way to become the most anti-ed holomem

Ronda wan! Kobokerz kebiasaan abis ngobrol langsung cabut!

Kawi Stardew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8C9WY3FVlQ

Cecil Nyasar
https://youtu.be/pN2H2htHyUs?si=hVljBG6c_qUMIbZu

Adelaide Freetalk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZUEexkbpYg

Sisil NieR karaoke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiHjx6UJPB4

Push

Ririsu GTAV RP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5jn183TXE

Marin Sabung Wallpaper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lVdtcBYsUk

Kelython
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P9AJEQX75Pk

Rea GI
https://youtu.be/ixrDEzwsTuk

>>89430990
sibuk genjot deisex

>>89422528
perhaps so

>Kobo flower yab is now the biggest ID yab since Moona religion yab on kekbook
It's so Kobover...

>>89444574
>that JPbro still tweeted until at least less than 30 minutes ago
Yeah, she pissed him off.

Teppi twitch debut when?

>>89428479
I mean, most of her money is still from Bang Dillon, and i honestly doesn't recognize that them so i doubt he has donate much (if any). Doesn't make it less bad tho.

>>89427363
AAAIIIIEEEE GITA HATE GITA HATE GITA HATE
FUCK THAT FUJOS JUST FIRE HER ALREADY YAGOO GODAMMIT

>>89444574
I wonder how much the "le parasocial bad" and "le idol culture bad" discussions have affected the overall Hololive fans' experience. Imagine airing your grievance on SNS and it's so bad that the usual fans don't defend your oshi like normal, only to be told by some of the other, something like "PARASOCIAL FUCKS" or a similar diss.

>>89420342
Get some ex-DigiKagi pls pls pls

>>89444574
https://x.com/rhythmsetmefree/status/1856643097284771858

>>89428208
wait wtf
>Bunga yang akan dibeli dengan range harga 500-750rb
"apabila donasi lebih akan didonasi langsung ke kobo via sociabuzz"
yeah should just make 1 for kobo and ignore blue faggot

pagi wan

Push?

>>89448651
Paguy wan

Masih aja dibela. Si Kobs ini memang agak lain cuy. Fans loyal digituin. Sosial media IG itu followers 600k cuma buat billboard iklan, ga ada postingan/konten lain. Juga, padahal IG dikenal dengan fitur signatur buat interaksi yang lebih cocok & familiar buat audience normies. Apasi parasosial parasosial, kalo emang mau liat contoh acuan konten kreator normis lainnya, tuh si Windut bapaknya justru aktif banget interaksi, repost, dan apresiasi aktivitas fans. Jadi konten kreator emang kaya gitu. Mau Vtuber kek atau konten kreator biasa kek.

normie always forget that most of chuuba is roleplaying as characters

https://twitter.com/Daniel7iao/status/1856737103981564100
Imagine joining a label (Holo-n) but the social media doesn't promote holo-n song.
desu most people will forget it about this song to current drama (lol)

>>89450302
Kinda sed because I always think that Mooner has what it takes to break the ID charts, but to do that, it needs to be spread out to the mainstream audience

and it's gone again

Phsuu...

>>89449527
I wonder if this is just a Kobo skill issue or a limitation from her position as a holomem that can be resolved by pivoting into a fleshstreamer like monke

Push

>>89449994
Risu disagree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ocsaRq3ns

>>89453427 (me)
Well, maybe her opinion already changed since that clip was a long time ago. Or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bEr3VdypCc
The real point is Hololive ID is soon to be 5 years old.

>Imagine being mad with kayfabe

https://x.com/mn_syochan/status/1856824721901588996
Someone, please translate these.

>>89454221
I ain't doing that for free, faggot. Learn some fucking Japanese or do MTL

Astrid HoK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTs8hLStiog

/ehe/ ilang lagi coook, mana belum sempet nge-save lewd nya, asuuuuu

Key VRchat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B82vaVEu6uQ

page 10 bump

push renk

https://x.com/VRchama/status/1856300843701870691
>almost 2k
>42% wanted ID4.
>33% dont care which branch ID talent debute(desperate fans).
see, "support current talent" is the loudest minority.

>Hololive should focus more on promoting the current talent first.
Since the beginning of the Gen 3 boom, the promotion has been intensive, continuous events, and collaborations with local brands. What else is lacking? In fact, this year events are less than in 2023, why? because fewer people buying merch from last year's event.
>Look at NijiID's debut too often.
Look at HoloEN, every lite move by rival got countered by lolishark, rival blinking once new HoloEN debut. That's how you conquer the market.
>The ID market is small.
that's why Hololive A.k.a Agencies are the ones that can develop the ID vtuber market. The number of ID Vtuber with good illustration and good live2D is not that many compared to EN Vtuber. Passion alone is not enough. Look at Twitch, good model is a big factor. A good model is expensive, local Indie can't afford it.

Saturated market = mainstream.
HoloID, just debuts a new gen once a year. its not gonna cannibalise old gen viewer.
Any lose viewer in HoloID it because the talent it self, like being lazy on streaming. even pekora say it "streaming first".

push la

>>89460248
those people don't understand wan, they'll think that you're Nijisister, anti Holo, even though I also know that Holo (JP) is GOAT & the quality of EN is actually not much different from ID but they are much better in terms of market and resources. If HoloID has many shortcomings, then there must be a push and adjustment of approach. An approach that can penetrate the local audience but also maintain the value of Hololive. AKA Virtual is still far from HoloID, but their 2-year journey can be said to be extraordinary. You can say that donations are small, CCV is uneven, short content whose effectiveness is still questionable. But yes, they do what they can as much as possible with their limited resources. What they can do, they do.

Hololive is not compared to a small-medium agency anymore, it's already at the level of a large digital entertainment media/channel/brand with big and strong community and ecosystem. In Indonesia, the equivalent might be Vindes, Stand Up Comedy, Esport scene & Team Esport, and JKT48. That's HoloJP anyway, I don't know about HoloID direction it's still confused about where to go. AKA is still considered a small-medium agency. If the standard size is as "a content creator agency" then AKA can be considered very good. Whereas HoloID is like a premature branch at its level.

>>89460248
>fewer people buying merch from last year's event.
And this number might fall even further once they end all tokped sales just when cover demands more coming from merchs, so I don't think new gen alone is gonna fix it, especially at the current state of our spending power

Okay, let's say there's no need for ID4 or Holostars ID for now. Also, no warehouse in Indonesia. What's stopping COVER Corp. from recruiting more Indonesians as the staff of Hololive ID?
Not enough money?
The quality of local manpower is questionable?
Not being able to find people who can vibe with the whole COVER Corp. environment?

>>89462425
the quality of current talent is questionable

>>89462425
Didn't yagoo claimed that they already got more ID liaison officers, not to mention their current jobhunt?

>>89460248
>still believe in ID4
lol
lmao even

>>89462425
I think they did recruit a bunch of behind-the-scene staffs since last year, but what results they've brought since then is yet to be seen (unless that deal with Honda is considered their big success story)

>>89463032
At this point just try to stick as an indie and hope that AKA gonna poach ya along the way

Ethel the GameDev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHXtEYQnCgY

>>89428208
Wait. I missed this one. Is it enough for Kobokerz?
https://x.com/kobokanaeru/status/1855501536362950710

>>89464379
Lhaa, then why they make up a yab over this?

>>89450302
(Same anon) well fans did it... lol

>>89464538
Not enough for Kobokerz, I guess. Reghin, that JPbro and others don't show up to defend their oshi. They criticize her. It's kind of like a ticking time bomb that finally explodes.

As a casual, no reason to stand up for Kobo. It's the consumer rights, after all. But, I hope some of them finally said enough is enough and leave her if this keeps happening. No reason to enable her antics that barred her from accepting legitimate criticism.

>>89464538
simple nya wan, mengutip dari seorang ojisans di /ehe/
> basically , the culmination of year long fans disappoinment

she turned to be the "rude" ID gura version, and kobokers not having it

>>89465255
Mandatory "night reflection" for HoloID members (including Kobo) when?
>"Bayangkan fans kalian yang banting tulang siang dan malam demi merchandise... Demi tiket konser..."

>>89465494
https://x.com/bang_pio21/status/1781194166854443217
>"Kalian harus ingat... Kalau banyak orang yang ingin berada disini (menjadi VTuber Hololive Indonesia). Jadi, gunakan kesempatan kalian sebaik-baiknya, ya."

>>89465494
"bayangkan saat kalian datang ke fans meeting, melihat antrian m&g kalian sepi, sementara antrian AKA diseberang booth rame, bayangkan!!"

Isn't Kobo's "real" birthday tomorrow

>>89466138
will she wear her birthday clothes?

>>89465975
You don't have to slander MAHA5 fans so hard, wan

>>89465975
>"Bayangkan saat fans kalian sudah jauh-jauh datang dari luar negeri dan menonton konser kalian... Lalu mereka pulang dan beberapa hari kemudian fans tersebut malah mengkritik kalian di media sosial karena kalian tidak memberika apresiasi yang pantas untuk bunga hasil jerih payah fans kalian sendiri... Bayangkan!"

Kyura Nugas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDCSC2rjcpo

>>89466946
>"Bayangkan saat kalian sedang membaca timeline Twitter kalian. Lalu, kalian melihat fans kalian yang biasanya memuji kalian, me-retweet fanart dan cuitan kalian... TIBA-TIBA MENGKRITIK KALIAN! HANYA SEDIKIT YANG MAU MEMBELA KALIAN! Mereka mengkritik mereka karena KALIAN TIDAK MAU MENDENGARKAN NASEHAT DARI FANS KALIAN SENDIRI! Bahkan, kalian membaca bahwa ada mantan fans kalian dulu yang meninggalkan kalian KARENA KELAKUAN KALIAN SENDIRI!"

>"BAYANGKAN!"

SHE RESPONDED

>>89467961
PEOPLE POWER!

>>89460248
More Indie Vtubers, more agencies is a good thing. More types of content, types of avatars and personalities, formats and platforms for make content and streaming, and more variety of business models/monetization methods, is also a good thing.

>>89467961
>hati-hati sama provokator yang menyamar jadi “fans kobo” ya
wdsmbt

>>89468264
Anon, kikebook already raid on her twitter.
t.kikebook user private group

>>89468398
Do (you) think the management also /here/?

>>89467961
>provokator
where? i only see valid criticism toward your Management
apa perlu holo ini punya akun management sendiri gitu kali ya? ie. Nodoka, tapi tujuannya buat samsak kritik, saran & pertanyaan?

>>89468793
>a PR account whose sole purpose is to become a punching bag for ANY criticisms thrown at the management
You need an exceptionally stable person to handle that

>>89468951
Can't COVER just use AIchuuba like Neuro-sama for that purpose?

>>89468398
Well, that only possible due to many of their Kobokerz who's usually praise her suddenly turning on her and criticizing her.

Why do the Princess' knights suddenly point their swords towards her?

>>89462425
Look at how toxic Indonesian fans are towards Kobo. That's your answer.
t. an outdonesian

>>89469660
Are you suggesting that they aren't recruiting Indogs because of their brash nature?

https://x.com/AKAVirtualOnAir/status/1856905600317501562
ONE MORE DAY WAN, ONE MORE DAY TO AUDITION YOURSELF FOR AKA'S GOLDEN TICKET, ONE. MORE. DAY.

>>89470303
When will AKA have a 4view female chuuba aside from Miu...

>>89470303

>>89470399
I belib in the potential of Kawi, Vio, and Senon

>>89469660
Wasn't the one who started all this a JP fan?

I miss the old Kobo, straight from the 'Go Kobo
Chop up the soul Kobo, set on his goals Kobo
I hate the new Kobo, the bad mood Kobo
The always rude Kobo, spaz in the news Kobo

>>89471060
Did she get infected by M U A L A S virus just like our tally anon?

>>89472489
If only Kobo could spend more effort to give appreciation to her fanbase...
>Kobo notices many of her fanbase
>Fanbase becomes more motivated to simp her
>Kobokerz will defend her from her haters for free
>Kobokerz also became more motivated to simp her
>Kobo becomes dere-dere and notices more Kobokerz so she can get more praise
>And the cycle repeats
This is what those who dismiss Kobokerz's sincere criticism don't get. It's the girls' job to gain and nurture the existing fanbase.

The "muh parasocialism bad" and "muh idol culture bad" have damaged Hololive fans' experience.

>>89473218
I blame Ollie

push

>>89465046
kobokers on suicide mode but they will return because they are cucks just like chumkeks

muehehehehehe

>>89470850
And the one that stoked the flame was reghinskuy and now the whole world are going to know about this drama. Some of them think that Indonesian fans are entitled and toxic. Crazy

>>89471060
Walau Kobo tlah banyak berubah, tapi satu yang pasti... buat ojisan horny~
*Parody Mantra Hujan

>>89475569
Indonesian are indeed entitled and toxic. It's a fact.

Why should we denied it ?

>>89460248
>What else is lacking?
The ID members passion.
>>89471571
What's the point of Hololive focusing on shilling current members when most of the current members don't care about their growth?

buat para ojisan yang menangis

>>89457324
Just check archive or you want let me post it?

>>89476534
Don't post it here. Let that Anon search the archive by himself

>>89476475
ID1 fans: Hololive should focus on current member.
Also ID1 fans: our oshi doesn't care with number.
kek.

>>89477266
sound like nijiID syndrome to me

>>89477719
AAAIIIIIEEEE THE CURSE OF HANMAK COMING BACK!!
QUICK GITA, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!

>>89456334
your oshi needs you to be her white knights, kobokek

>>89477991
dude this is just sad
>please notice his flower
>he work hard
kobo notice
>WTF why kobo sound so arrogant she should do dogeza

>>89477991
i literally drop her the second she panders to bilibili chinkcong

>>89478143
Feels like this is the third time I've seen this post

>>89478300
don't see anyone post it on /warkop/
i share it /here/ so it easier to find when i need it next time

dulu kobo-chat & stream-chat di discord kobokan's lighthouse itu rame terus & aktif banget, tapi sekarang sepi njir

>>89478143
I've been wondering but are those flowers organized by her fancord?

>>89478554
The filter works.

>>89478687
Kidda, but i dont really care if brat not notice that stand
https://twitter.com/kobokanaeru/status/1855501536362950710

The most annoying part about this is the actual tourists calling out the complaining fans as fake fans

>>89478687
https://x.com/rhythmsetmefree/status/1855091536276734049

>>89479274
So it's not by her fancord?

>>89479321
It's from her fancord.
https://x.com/rhythmsetmefree/status/1855456021822795820/photo/1

>>89479274
See. This is how (you) do it.
>QRT the photo of the banquet with some sweet words.
It's that easy.
https://x.com/rhythmsetmefree/status/1855104822451880254
https://x.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1855106451481804810

IT'S THAT EASY.
HOW DO YOU FUMBLE IT???

https://twitter.com/hololive_Id/status/1856985421739171996
Telat anjir

>>89479685
ARGH, GEMAS INI TANGAN
>IT'S THAT EASY
IT'S THAT EASY
>IT'S THAT EASY
IT'S THAT EASY
>IT'S THAT EASY
IT'S THAT EASY
>IT'S THAT EASY
IT'S THAT EASY

>>89479685
>>89479823
Dibilang juga, kalo acuannya yaitu cara bersikap dan punya audience normies, tetep gajauh beda. >>89449527 It's not about normies vs idol thingy anymore. It's already a common issue.

>>89479748
600 employee btw.

>>89480491
I'd imagine they have 20 employees or less that exclusively deals with ID affairs, hence all the management issues that it causes

>>89480842
only 9 employees (talents manager) all social media include HoloID ch manage by who ever available.

>>89481108
Doesn't Kobo have like 3 managers

>>89480491
mostly for develop their infrastructure/technologies & ecosystem, if for content management it is very little & talents are man handle their own social media.

>>89479274
what baffled me, someone call these people on the list as "Loud minority"
anjeeeeng, gw yg ga pernah donet gapernah member aja tau nama2 ini cok dari stream, minimal kalo greyfag itu tau diri bangsat

>>89480491
From the lastest COVER Corp. financial report presentation.

>>89481108
stop lying anon

>>89481222
let me guess.
>Branch GM.
>Talents Manager.
>holo-n manager.

>>89481865
stop being denial Gita!!

>>89479685
I somehow can hear urinatingtree saying that with your gif roru rumao

>>89477719
They're really are the rotten apple that spoils the whole IDvtubing

>>89479221
same thing happened during rushia gta bomb, right? tourists from twitter came and told the old fans were fake.

>>89481412
To be fair they are the minority. Most of her fans are greys

>>89483118
>told the old fans
the old fans

>>89483290
This was actually a long term coordinated mass Nijinigger attack towards English speaking HoloID like Moona Ollie and Reine

>>89483517
don't let koboyab make you forget that moona make new original song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSdl2kWrHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSdl2kWrHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSdl2kWrHg
WATCH IT NOW

>>89483818
holy flop

>>89483818
Watched it, loved it, thanks for sharing it again

>>89483818
flop song (i blame social media from holo)

>>89476475
You know what, reading /moon/ about how to get Mooner numbers was fascinating, do /warkop/ agree with their ideas or does she needs to do something else to raise awareness?

>>89483517
Nice of them to exclude Anya. I wonder if that's just because the others were too easy to bait
>she speaks JP, not EN
Their argument was about not speaking ID

>>89484174
Anya had low numbers so they don't feel threatened by her popularity. Plus she attracted less schizos, that or they straight up got filtered by her idgaf attitude

ID4? more like CN Lite soon

>>89482450
>>89482658
Fucking newfag never seen Kobo's leaked Discord

>>89483818
now that holo-n has done burning money with both moona's song, can we get another banger like help again please, UMJ-san?
No we don't want another shit like Entah either, thank you

>>89484817
Tbf ID is just a CN wannabe after all

>>89485046
but anon we need more song with bahasa in it
>indopride
>bahasapride

>>89485156
>with bahasa
Get out anon, fuck off

>>89485227
1-2 lines with bahasa Indonesia it's fine

>>89485227
but anon we need to listen the fans >>89483290

>>89485337
Just call it Indonesian plis, be like Malaysians who'll simply say Malay when others ask about Bahasa Melayu

>>89485426(me)
we need holo version for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR-aIzE3QI0

>>89485046
also next month another moona song... lol

>>89484891
>>89484891
i don't remember seeing kobo's manager 1, kobo's manager 2, kobo's manager 3, in the discord leak.

>>89485507
Where is she getting money for all of these songs lol

>>89485470
Nah but you'll get the AKA version instead soon, I hope whoever gets into AKA from this audition will also be featured on that song when it's released

>>89479221
>>89481412
This. Now anything is parasocial. Just a simple thank you for the bouquet now being spun into "muh parasocial bad". Are their parents taught them to be grateful?

Don't even bother to become a Holofan or even touch anything related to entertainment again if (you) hate so-called "parasocialism".

>>89485621
But she did say thanks and her fans still weren't satisfied

>>89485610
>AKA version
huh where i never see them have full on branch song?
i like big group vtuber song even the one from muse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce87eFO2XE4

Prediction of Kobo's upcoming zatsudan title: "Please correct me, ojisan"

>>89485848
yeah... yeahh

>>89485733
Sabar wan, it's not out yet since they only confirmed the song production this month, also instead of into reality as a basis, since he worked on Jazzeta, I wanted Reynard to create a holo-song, something similar to this
https://youtu.be/co8fmLTXNms?si=8f3YZNq5Y-3lVCMQ

>>89484171
There is a reason why Utaite are famous. look at Ado.

>>89485046
I think Kobo's next song is also going to be from holo-n. I vaguely remembered her saying that the song had Japanese lyrics

>>89485848
IM SO FUCKING READY

This whole thing is retarded. Now going forward Kobo will be reminded by m-chan to thank her fans everytime they do something for her.
Is that really what Kobokers want? For gratitude to be obligatory rather than genuine? Seems suffocating to me

So I left to watch Comet sololive, and /warkop/ is almost at bump limit? Sugoi nee, Ojisan-tachi ... Kusuri ga wasurechatta?

>>89485687
That's on her.

>A Kobokerz said his bouquet didn't get noticed
>Some of the Kobokerz (assuming they're not provocateurs) said that Kobo is bad when it comes to giving appreciation to her fanbase, hence the time bomb exploded
>A JP Kobokerz started the fire because he thinks Kobo isn't grateful enough (with his JP standard)
>Turns out said JP's perspective is easy to pass, just QRT with few sweet words

When the fans who usually support her call out on her in public, not the greys, the tourists, the provocateurs, or whatever you want to call, it's on her.

>>89485470
>id:entity
>Senandung Jiwa
>HI:STREET TIME

>>89485467
But "Bahasa" is what bule in Jakarta says!! That must be correct right? Cause Bule selalu benar???

>>89485521
of course not because you never seen it

>>89486499
ow yeah i forget that Hi:Street release this year

>>89486163
Nah I think she does need to be reminded unironically, it's easy for people to misunderstand what really happened when you type something, it's different compared to when you say it on stream, she can always be herself on stream where people can listen and understand when she's being sarcastic or a jokester, but on sosmed? Not so much

>>89485156
>Indopride
>Using bule term "bahasa" instead of the correct term
ngmi

Anyway, inserting 1-2 lines of Indonesians like Help! is better for introducing our language. Imagine how many Japs have been exposed to Indonesians by listening to Help (almost 20M views!)

>>89486105
when tho, i'm losing patience now AAAAAAAAAAAA

>>89481412
Toxic positivity. If possible, all of the conversation about their favorites must be positive and zero negativity.

When fans asked something from their oshi within reason, then they'll immediately be labeled as "parasocial fucks". "Oknum" logic, or "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Just like the average Indonesia life, huh?

>>89486597
Yeah but now that it's become so big, the next time she thanks someone will be out of fear of being attacked rather than just gratitude

>>89486175
btw, honest answer, will she beat ado's popularity someday?

https://x.com/KFukoshi/status/1857006071396618639

>>89487376
If Ado falls off

Btw, since Nocte chuubas debut starts tonight, wanna do a watchalong later (if the bread still alive)?

>>89487236
On one hand you gotta feel sad for Kobo about it, but on another hand as others mentioned, it only takes a few words anon, it shouldn't be that hard, and as I mentioned before, if she really feels like that, just draw the line and announce it on stream, make them know their limits on what's constructive criticism and what's not

>>89487460
When it'll start? I afraid we'll be way past bump limit when it starts

>>89486440
>bouquet didn't get noticed
>fans told her she missed it
>she said thank you after being reminded
She already got called out and immediately fix her mistake, yet it became even bigger afterwards

https://x.com/KFukoshi/status/1857006071396618639

>>89487457
If Ado falls off a cliff then dies, then maybe after 5 years

>>89487645
Sasuga Republic viral, never change

>>89487665
Yeah pretty much

>>89487645
MANAGEMENT HOLOID HARUS BELAJAR DARI PEP GUARDIOLA YANG DAPAT MENCIPTAKAN BANYAK PEMAIN MONSTER DAN GOAT YANG BERHASIL MENGANTARKAN CLUB MEREKA MENANG UCL TREBLE BERTURUT-TURUT DAN SIXTUPLE.

>>89487665
Actually I don't think 5 years is enough, Ado is about to surpass Kenshi Yonezu as the most subscribed Japanese artist. Assuming that she will get a BBDB level hit every year it's going to take more than 10 years for her to surpass Ado if Ado's channel suddenly stopped growing

>>89487376
No, i don't think she can make anything bigger than bibideba and that's not even close to Ado's Useewaa (which is her debut song btw).

Also Ado doesn't have the vtuber debuff like Suisei.

>>89487585
8 p.m. WIB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-aQecc7CRs

>>89487620
I blame the fucking Japs for that. I hate Japs so much.

>>89488088
Her fans (and probably Kobo as well) do seem to put that guy on a pedestal for being Japanese, despite being retarded

>>89487620
>>89488088
still deserve tho
t. ex koboker :p

She need correction

>>89487457
>>89487885
>>89488045
daamn, so this is the power of utaite.....

>>89488140
Indog's inferiority complex strikes again. I won't be surprised if many of them said something retard like "Anjir sampai dikritik orang jepang loh, gak malu apa?"

>>89488224
Most utaites are way less popular than Suisei lol. Ado is just a different breed, she's a genius

>>89487645
Dulu dipuja-puja marketing HoloID dewa, management HoloID dewa. The moment ketika gw ngikutin HoloID aja gw udah sadar kok mereka ga sespesial itu. (Tentu saja kalau dibandingkan dengan Kurosanji tetep jauh lebih baik). Sekarang banyak fans yang baru sadar & mulai meragukan mereka kan.

>>89488373
To be fair, it wasn't always this bad. The other branches have been speaking up as well, especially after Cover going public

Now that we speaking about Ado, i think it's the perfect time for us KoboChads to turn back this whole negativity by pointing out that KOBO'S OVERDOSE HAS BIGGER DAILY VIEWS THAN ADO'S NOW
>ADO MOGGED
ADO MOGGED
>ADO MOGGED
ADO MOGGED
>ADO MOGGED
ADO MOGGED

>>89488373
I mean, if anything it's good that we get to complain like this and try to help them to improve, we can't let them be complacent and act like the bare minimum is enough to satisfy us

>>89488552
LETSGOOO INDOPRIDE

>>89488088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEXg2f7SQOo

>>89488552
>daily views
anjir lah wan kirain apa
better compare help with mirror, coz both has natori as producer
AND KOBO STILL WON
SASUGA GOAT ID, BOKOBOK BETTER THAN SUISEXX

>>89488552
the better cover has the better legs, nice

>>89488140
Nah, it has more to do with the amount of money he spent

>>89488682
With Mirror you can argue that Help is just a better song Even tho i personally prefer Mirror... Sorry Kobo i do like Ado too. But with Overdose it's a fair 1v1 duel. Heck, Ado has the advantage of being released later but Kobo version is the one who won the test of time! Indochads this is our moment!!

>>89487645
Imagine the fanart from that PKI meeting.
>The flag is picrel
>Aidit is M-chan
>First row is Kobo and Moona
>Second row is Ollie and others (maybe Iofi)
>That one person on the third row is also another HoloID girl

OP here, should I bake a new one now or let it die for tomorrow and bake on Sat?

>>89488682
Mirror has more streams on Spotify, which is the only thing that matters for music labels

>>89488781
What a way to expose yourself as a tourist. He. Nobody remember his name anon, he's not a fucking gachis. Heck, i don't even know if he ever send a SC before.

Meanwhile, Real gachis like Rhythm Who also organized this shit already accepted the apology and happy now. Fucking Japs i hate them so much.

>>89488848
>Spotify numbers
Moona's Multiverse plays is 9.295 as of today.

>>89488838
Saturday de onegaishimasu

>>89488848
How do you know how much views Mirror has on spotify?

>>89488624
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L1RVCtL1D0

KETIKA KALIAN PARA PENGAMAT, HATERS, KOBOKEKS, WK, INDOG, GACHI, DAN TETEK BENGEKNYA BERDISKUSI TENTANG MASALAH KOBO. KALIAN TIDAK TAHU BAHWA HIIRAGI OJISAN SEDANG ANCANG-ANCANG MENARGETKAN KOBO UNTUK DIJADIKAN MILIKNYA.

the end is nigh
its been a while since the bread surpasses its normal life time
with a minimum bump,push, or even deisex post
thengkyu awantachi, saraba till next bread

>>89488935
了解です

>>89489049
He has been planning that since the beginning. It's safe to say now that he's too much of a coward to actually do that.

>>89489138
don't dare the nips like that anon, they'll actually do it.

>>89467961
>bukan karena kena mental
CUE THE MUSIC
https://youtu.be/sWB2jpd333Q&t=40

LALU SUATU HARI
PESAN-PESAN BERDATANGAN
KATA-KATA PERIH MEMBUATKU
KEHILANGAN ARAH
SENYUMAN DI BALIK LAYAR
SANGGUPKAH UNTUK KU PERTAHANKAN?
TAK PERNAH INGIN KECEWAKAN
SIAPAPUN DI LUAR SANA

BRAVO YAGOO

>>89489317
baka fake fans. should have used kobo's id:entity jazz version acapella on her feeding frenzy stream. so much more kino

>>89489461
B-b-but the original id:entity is my favorite and I'm about to use that until I remember the other version...

>>89489576
the original, yes. not the shitty cover from ID3.

/warkop/ is so distracted by Koboyab, meanwhile Pia sealed a K-pop cover with Risu and Yopi, the first in a long while for holoID to sing with other IDchuubas
https://youtu.be/tQOrc9mIosQ?si=CZxpyqOtGAZ-eQTm

>>89489876
And... JKT48 experienced two yabs in a row.

>>89489876
>kpop
Should invite moona

>>89488989
nta
https://www.mystreamcount.com/track/0NtfH5RUt4V3Vzh18Wuc23

>>89486163
>>89487236
Stick and carrot. To use fear and punishment to make people do something is a feature in real life. Valid reason.

Happy 23rd birthday