/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>8936617
Blame the fans.

>>8936617
They probably feel ashamed about their small numbers and feared that people will think they're leeching from Hololive if they collab.

>>8936617
They do though. Okayu literally collabed with Shiina yesterday.

>>8936617
ollie collabed with hana sometimes ago, & anya's have a collab with one of nijiID scheduled in a few days

ITT we discuss how OP is a faggot that dont watch streams

>>8936617
Okayu collabed with Shiishii yesterday CLIPFAGGOT

>>8936617
Because you're a blind fucking retard who doesn't watch streams
https://youtu.be/-rg-yuriAn8

>>8936731
Doesn't count because they're from the same mama. That's like saying Gura collabing with Nacho is collabing with an indie.

>>8936617
OP is the same fag in the genuine Hololive opinions thread that doesn't actually watch the recent HoloNiji collabs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKF49QBw_XA&ab_channel=SiskaLeontyne%E3%80%90NIJISANJIID%E3%80%91

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVEnifZ54GI&t=161s&ab_channel=KureijiOllieCh.hololive-ID

???
Kiara wants to collab with Pomu to.

>>8936617
Nijisanji don't want to offend their Chinese fans so they kinda cooled the collabs off for a bit during the Taiwan yab.

>>8936766
>"Nijisanji and Hololive no longer collabs!"
>here is a collab
>"d-doesnt count!"
Next op gonna say that Tokomachi doesnt count because they are best friends irl. Here try removing goalpost with this then faggot

>>8936766
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVEnifZ54GI
show me your next mental gymnastics move for this one.

>>8936898
Hana Macchia is a slut. He meant good Nijis like Sister Claire.

>>8936913
It was a tournament.
>>8936916
>ID

>>8936916
ID branches are irrelevant.

>>8936617
they actually did and you even got your image related. okayu and shina

>>8936867
I dont watch Towa. I dont watch Nijis. But I know Towa collabbed with Ars recently. If a schizo is more ignorant than me then they deserve to be BTFO in their own thread

Why are Holofags so retarded? Serious replies only please.

>>8936617
Because hololmems will just steal nijilivers viewers. And that's bad for nijisanji.

>>8936941
>>8936950
>moving the goalposts

>>8936996
They realized their oshis are talentless hack. So they making rrat on their no1 """rival""" company to justify their poor life choices.

>>8936997
That's unironically the reason management won't let the EN branches collab, Ollie and Hana were only allowed because they're closer in sub count than Kiara and Pomu

>>8936941
>>8936950
Keep moving the goalposts faggot, I wanna see how far you can move the goalpost and embarrass yourself in your own thread.

>>8936966
When was the last big Project Winter type collab between Niji and Holo? Yes they'll occassionally collab with their IRL friends like Suisei and Toko, or when Marine wanted to shill her song with Warabe but it's not like what they used to do.

>>8936617
Ollie and Hana just the other day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVEnifZ54GI

its more likely the holo talents not feeling like collabing with the nijis then the reverse.
>>8936941
tourney or not they streamed together, stop being a goal post moving faggot

>>8937059
No one plays Project Winter anymore retardchama, not even Niji or Holos play it among their colleagues. Maybe next time name your thread 'Why doesnt Holo and Nijis play Project Winter together anymore and ID collabs doesnt count'.

>>8937050
Or Kiara is to busy with the anniversary coming up on top of 5 new Holo's showing up.
A collab between them is inevitable, it will most likely happen in october.

>>8937158
>deleted
Faggot got too BTFO

>>8937158
So why doesn't Niji collab with Hololive anymore? You still haven't answered the question you've just gone "but muh radio show with Toko

>>8937244
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>>8937257
>Check out these literal whos
I don't recognize any of those fags, they could be indies for all I know. The question stands

The op is whatever and this isn't true but it's def unfortunate that my boy debiru isn't getting around as much as he used to, which isn't to say he doesnt have nijis to partner with.

>>8936617
Except it's the case.
immediate /thread

>>8937279
>I don't recognize any of those fags
>One of the mentioned ones is in the fucking clip OP posted
You truly are the most retarded goalpost-moving faggot I have ever seen on this board

>>8937180
Praise me more and post your favourite Holo/Niji collabs

>>8937320
>You'll never see Korone collab with Debi again

>>8937244
refer to what i said in >>8937069
holos have the social power in collabs so they are the ones who tend to decide if theyll collab, this doesnt mean nijis cant decide but its more that its not as likely as a holo declining to collab for various reasons

I do wonder why Holo and Niji stopped collabing. Kind of sad.

>>8937373
I love Tokomachi collabs. I have been enjoying Vsaikyou 3 clips. My favorite company collab of all time has got to be anything 27JK did.

>>8937320
The babiniku-slaying collab with Roberu, Maimoto, Gachiman, Mea, and Haneru 3 days ago...

>>8937437
They just collabed two days ago

>>8937390
It's likely a manager blocking collabs now. The same one that keeps denying their projects.

>>8936617
OP is a fucking falseflagger.
But the real question would be "Why NijiEN and HoloEN haven't collabed yet, after more than 3 months after NijiEN debut?"
This would be a real topic of discussion, and my take on it is because it would harm Cover's business.

As far as I know, they haven't collabed since nijiniggers chased Aloe away.

>>8936617
Their JP/ID branches collab just fine. It's the EN collabs that are nonexistent because HoloEN management wants their EN branch to be an island.

>>8937526
I don't think there's been a big Holo/Niji collab since last year.

>>8937526
OP used the word "anymore"
Clearly he's just a clipfag

>>8937523
That could actually be the reaon. Niji distancing themselves to keep their fans away from Hololive after the Aloe incident.

>>8937523
That means they chased her away yesterday?

Maybe OP meant why the bigger Hololive members (Marine, Pekora, Miko, Rushia, etc.) don't collab with Nijis.

>>8937551
https://youtu.be/u7fGK8FSPu0
Exactly how big of a HoloNiji collab do you want?

>>8937633
Because they're numberfaggots. Even Kuzuha collabs with the little fishies.

>>8937551
Basically yeah. Last real holo niji collab was last year before gen 5

>>8937650
>Kuzuha collabs with the little fishies.
little to massive catches, kuzuha just cares about havin a good time

>>8937665
>>8937646
Kys

>>8937469
Ok but this is like cheating because who doesnt collab with the winning son

>>8937646
Anons, take a minute from your dispute and take a look at Chigusa's smug face on this video's preview.

>>8937650
Shame. They forgot the power of friendship. Hopefully we get an actual Niji Holo collab in the future but the age of collabs outside the company might be over.

>>8937728
It will be over when they'll completely stop. Right now they are coming without any plan to slow down.

>>8937437
some holos seemed to mostly do it as a means of getting a foothold, others just wanted to play with others and some were already friends with some.
nijisanji is a much more casual entertainment company so them collabing with those who get less numbers then them is just the freedom they were allowed.
hololive on the other hand is much more corporate in nature and managers want the numbers, while individual holos probably just wanted to hang out with cool people, managers are trying max out potential growth if holoen is anything to go by.
>>8937523
you dont know much then.
>>8937633
problem is op is phrased it like its niji's choice when its more likely and often holo's choice.
remember anons, the bigger company has more leverage over whether a collab happens or not, when niji was bigger then holo, management let the collabs happen more often, but now holos the big one and the management doesnt seem to be as keen on outside collabs

>>8937728
I wouldn't count on it. They havn't had a real collab in months and it doesn't look like that will change any time soon

Both companies are full of anti social autists that struggle to talk to their own co-workers. The ones that are actually social are usually used in promo stuff and thus are tied down external business that can even get in the way of them streaming on their own channel.

>>8937711
I know, I love Chigusa, if I wasn't a poorfag I'd join her membership

>>8937767
I am shocked. That's the most based thing someone said in this board in a last week or so.

ITT: shitposters pretend Niji and Holo don't collab anymore despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary.

>>8937633
Yeah, yeah, here is another one OP.

>>8937797
Well this could be true but they never had any problem organizing collabs before this year

>>8937767
Another proof is Holo girls needing a woman to be in their teams during teammate shuffle when Hal's VSaikyou tournaments happen. Cover can't possibly accept a Holo girl being paired with two males she hasn't spoken to before

>>8937522
Kiara collabbed with Norio and Ollie collabbed with Gunmichi, both arr way bigger yab machines than any of NijiEN, so nah. Ame pretty much only wanna collab with Holos and Gura sucks at external collabs.

>>8937902
Could be linked to the growth of both groups then. Some of the more social members of HL are probably much busier on top of girls like Pekora and Korone arguably finding more success on their own without collabs

>>8937932
That's not what I meant by harming business.
By harming business I meant directing their fanbase towards their biggest possible competitor. You know current situation - YT algo helped Holo boost it's Western fanbase and now their main goal is to hold it together. As a proof of my words, you will never see a HoloEN x NijiEN collab until NiijEN gets at least half as big as HoloEN.

>>8937522
Why would they collab?
What would they talk about?
What do they have in common?

>>8937932
Probably because NijiJP and Norio aren't HoloEN's competitors while NijiEN is. HoloEN management wants to shut out their biggest competitor and not give them any advantage. VShojo is on Twitch so there's little risk of losing an audience to them from collabs.

>>8938062
There has to be at least one weeb in both groups

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>>8938065
Now that sounds more sensible. What are you waiting for OP, go make a new thread with the correct subject now

>>8938062
Anon, these questions can be asked to any collab participants that already happened between Holo and Niji. No need for empty words here.
But if you really want, then ok, I'll humor you:
>Why would they collab?
Because they would want to collab themselves.
At least Kiara x Pomu. And I am sure that Mori would also want to collab.
That's at least 2 and I am pretty confident that there are more.
>What would they talk about?
Stupid question. They'll do what other chuubas do in collabs - play games/talk about thing they like and have in common.
>What do they have in common?
The most stupid question of all. If you take 2 random people on the street, they definitely will have something in common.

But the smaller western startups collab between one another. Wouldn't they be the type that's more wary of losing your audience to another group?

>>8937767
The more I hear about these things, the more disgusted I get at Cover and their management. They collabed hard with Nijisanji JP to boost their growth but once Hololive became top of the EN market, they refused to throw a bone back, they refused to return the favor. It just feels so cynical for them to be like that. I still like some of their talents but I cannot in good faith support this company like I used to.

>>8938198
The question was about money, not audience.
When small startups share audience, they share audience.
When biggest companies share audience, they share market and profits. That means more profit for smaller company and less profit for bigger company.

>>8937045
YES, IMAGINE IF THEY WERE ACTUALLY TALENTED AND ENTERTAINING, THEY WOULD HAVE 10 MILLION SUBS ABOVE, EACH

>>8937767
>remember anons, the bigger company has more leverage over whether a collab happens or not, when niji was bigger then holo, management let the collabs happen more often, but now holos the big one and the management doesnt seem to be as keen on outside collabs
correct, it has been long time since the last time Fubuki collabs with male indies like Kosaka or Tenkaiji, those holowhores used to collab with them all the time

We have this thread every two weeks.

>>8943316
That just seems more like they went down the path of being "idols", and less about throwing them bones since Nijisanji collabs still happen from time to time.

>>8937767
Tamaki did say around a year ago that all her collab proposals with Holos had gone through without a hitch whereas Niji management had actually shot down some.

>around a year ago
Yeah, things might have changed, but that's just to bring Hololive management up to Nijisanji level.