/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

What was her fan name to begin with?

>>89173997
Nikkers

>>89173997
NikoP aka 25P

>>89173957
35P MAFIA

>>89173997
guess who had a meltdown

Why can't 25p and 35p co-exist?

>>89173997
NicoNicoNiggers

>>89173957
Nah that's normal to have a new fan-name that was not part of the plan. She just needs to tell manager about it and 99% chance that she will officially use it as long as it's not a hidden yab word

>>89173997
I don't know, but currently it's 25P (Nico-P) and honestly that's the best fan name imo

>>89174119

>>89173957
Remember when Ame started with a yabai fan name in her debut stream? I forgot what it was called, but I remember her being like "yeah, nevermind" on Twitter shortly after

>>89174116
Ken from Marketing says it would be too confusing

>>89174209
There was also the time Biboo got bonked by management for wanting to call her fanbase the pebble pile

>>89173957
35P act like they have a monopoly on -P when other holo fanbases have no problem having similar fannames. There are plenty of -mins, -tomos and -mates.

>>89174297
It took me a moment to understand why "pebble pile" might be bad name

>>89174389

>>89174209
Holmies, which was connected to the people that weirdly worshipped that dude that shot up the Aurora theater years ago

>>89174411
>connected to the people that weirdly worshipped that dude that shot up the Aurora theater years ago
That doesn't scream CIA op at all.

>>89174338
I think the problem is more on that 25P (NikoP) and 35P (MikoP) are super close together, like they are 1 syllable away from becoming one another

I can understand that this will cause confusion but I saw some triggered 35Ps who went out of their way downplaying and hating Niko because she "stole Miko's identity", which Miko herself called them out in her sub account and made them behave

#FREEMYNIGGAPS

>>89174338
There will only ever be one -tocrats

>>89174521
Idolizing mass murderers is par for the course for white women

>>89173957
53pagpags really are the worst.

>>89173957
NIKATS

>>89174087
nigga pee

>>89173957
Racism is wrong even when its accidental or unintentional

>>89174116

>>89173957
I love how she instantly lost 10K viewers when she revealed the name she wanted

>>89173957
I wish we could have renegotiated
>JUSTchads

>>89173957
Why are japs so retarded as to make drama about this shit and why did they allow such a big group of retards to exist solely to blow shit out of proportion? Nuke them again

>>89175322
>lost
She didn't, they went to see Migo's reaction. Which is nice since it's another proof that YT counts views only if they're in an active tab.

>>89173957
Chances are this is scripted. Even miko's reaction to it on stream is just her usual banter.

But it blew up more than they thought.

>>89173957
35pajeets aren't beating the allegations

>>89174686
You fuckers were begging to be called the taxpayers at debut, you've got no leg to stand on.

>>89174297
>>89174389
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTaKDnSIb4c

>>89175402
This. Youtube AND Twitch are very anal about how they count live viewers these days.
Youtube used to be extremely lax but a few years back they updated all that shit.

>>89174686
You're actually -tocucks

>>89173957
Migo will snap this bitch over her knee like a twig.

>>89176388
Twitch is not anal at all. That's why you have Twitch people asking people to keep their streams on in the background of another tab because it'll count as a view.

>>89174212
why the fuck do they allow that blue slut name herself su-chan that sounds like sui-chan then

>>89174338
>Deadbeats
>KFP
>Takodachi
>Teamates
>Chumbuds

>Kronies
>Brats
>Sapplings
>Hoomans
>IRyStocrats
>Sanalites

>Ruffians
>Novelites
>Jailbirds
>Pebbles

>Chattini
>Grems
>Otomos
>Rosarians

EN is pretty diverse, only 2 really repeat: -ans and -lites

I guess -tomos and -mates overlap someone from the other branches

>>89176388
twitch is very lax that's why you can't compare twitch numbers with youtube

>>89174773
hell yeah, I love white women.

>>89173957
yes

>>89173957
>trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

>>89174212
Fuck Ken that dude's a cunt

>>89174116
35p, 53p and now 25p? It's a bit too much.

>>89185873
Dude keeps emptying the coffee pot and not refilling it.

>>89178800
and both lites are pronounced differently (sana-lights and nove leets)

>>89173957
>vtuber makes makes extremely tame joke
>OMGGGG MASSIVE JAAAAAAAAAB
Why are you like this?

>>89174099
I don't know moonrunes, waht does this mean?

>>89174136
Still less embarrassing than Chloe having to change her original art tag.

>>89178800
And the three -ans are etymologically distinct too. Pun on "humans", "ruffians" is a real word in its own right, and "rosarians" is like a demonym.

>>89186589
Who is 53p

>>89174297
>>89174389
I'm retarded, what's bad about Pebble Pile?

>>89188710
Look at Biboo's model.
Then say it out loud.

>>89188710
Pebblephile

>>89188705
53p = gomi-p = trash-p

>>89188754
I am a pebblepile and i love miners

>>89173957
its not that hard to get a good fan name

>>89188843
>>>>"""Justchads"""

>>89188813
Yeah, but who is it for?
Or is it just poking fun at 35p?

>>89178800
How many fanbases are feared though?
Kronii said the other girls in Promise are scared of the Kronies.

>>89188754
>>89188792
I understand now

>>89188909
I've seen it used as both an affection moniker for 35p and also by antis. It's something you'll need context for since it's used in multiple instances.

>>89188843
>JUSTchads

>>89188966
I thought it'd be something like that, I just didn't know if 53p referred to someone besides Miko

>>89175402
>proof that YT counts views only if they're in an active tab
This is fucked up. Like I cannot legit TAB OUT even though I:
1) Have not muted the player nor the tab
2) Have NOT PAUSED the stream.
3) Minimize the Tab/Browser or put another thing upfront?
I have too 100% be looking at the stream in an active, unmuted tab?
What about fuckign Holodex?

>>89175402
I didn't even know that. Shit, I usually listen to streams in another tab while I'm working, that's fucked.

>>89175402
>>89189111
>>89190598

>>89174552
the 35p continue to be one of the more annoying fanbases

hvae you people looked at my thread on this board? It's been up for two minutes.

>>89188843
Aren't these girls too young to know the JUST meme? Except ERB I guess.

>>89174116
>why can't blood and crip co-exist?

>>89178800
>Chattini
the dumbest sounding name

>>89173957
why doesn't Niko just ram her giant tiger futa cock inside Miko's ovulating pussy?

>>89191722
Sei proprio un idiota senza speranza

>>89191920
Hopefully someone does it >>89187363 >>>/d/11166341

>>89173957
I legit thought it just a bit.

>>89191722
Not to mention the dumbest looking mascot.

>>89188843

>>89187948
I've been pronouncing it wrong my entire life

>>89191920
Miko's pussy is for the Big Blue Comet only

>>89188909
53P is Shigure Ui's fans
they are usually just called gomi but 53P came about when Ui did a collab with miko

>>89175399
>why did they allow such a big group of retards to exist solely to blow shit out of proportion
stones and glass houses don't mix.

>>89188828
Not me, I hate diggers

>>89188925
don't turn your back on a takodachi, that's all I'm saying

>>89188843
>Justchads

>>89188489
>jab

OH NO

>>89189111
Holodex is an embed, so it doesn't count in the first place

>>89175118
extremely based of her

>>89193903
Bloop is still the worst mascot by far

>>89174116
Whoa you can't just say niggo.

>>89193903
I like that little guy. He has character and isn't a FAT FUCK

>>89173957
It's just migo seething. Poor kouhai

>>89188843
God, Justchads is so dogshit. They should've just went with Jammers.

...Not that adventrix are much better, so pot kettle whatever.

https://youtu.be/rcyFe_hMWns
Miko had to start from nothing, a literal 2view in Hololive, she worked hard to get to the very top of vtubing. She's given her fans 35P with all her heart put into it. We 35P are very loyal and been with Miko for a long time, we've been with Miko since she was a nobody and we're with Miko now when she's the most popular vtuber, we 35P are undoubtedly the most dedicated hololive fanbase. You should understand that being 35P is like wearing a badge of honor, that is now getting cheapened when some plagiarist who just gets to start at the top gets everything handed to her on a silver platter steals, leeches and copies the sacred hololive fanbase name 35P from Miko. And also reminder that plagiarism is a crime.

>>89174119
I'm stealing that

>>89186589
Also 45p

>>89212131
cry about it

>>89212131
>she's the most popular vtuber
lol no

>>89210028
somebody suggested EN4cers (pronounced enforcers) back then. it was the best name for me.
>>89212131
Being a 35p is only an honor if (You) start watching her while she's a 2-3 view. any 35p joining past 2019 is fodder trash.

>>89214095
I'd be fine EN4cers, too. It's a bit zoomerish, but chads is just a stupid meme that got too popular and got voted for the funny.

Niko is cool

who gives a shit if she calls her fans "25p".

>>89210028
>>89188843
I was begging the chat for anything but "justchads"
Kind of damaged my enthusiasm for the gen there for even having that be an option.

>>89178800
Kronies is the worst one when you look at all of them like this

>>89174338
35p and 25p are a simple typo away from each other
same for mikopi and nikopi

No other fanbase names are remotely comparable in terms of how close they are

>>89212131
Fun fact the Reds, Twins and Bears all share the same exact C logo, none of them are trying to kill each other

who cares if they are called 25p when its done out of respect.

>>89178800
Spent 2 minutes thinking about who tf brats were and then remembered bae exists

>>89212131
>we
I don't believe you

Cover doesn't even want them collabing outside of their gen for the first month so that they can develop their own identity, it makes sense that they want to separate the fan names.

>>89214710
>who cares
Extremely autistic japanese men

>>89188843
i love this clip so much
Raora in such a hysterical laughing fit she can't stop or get a word out, ERB is groaning in cringe while Autofister are desperately trying to save unsalvageable situation.

>>89178800
Kronies has to be the dumbest one, its literally just her name with an s.

>>89214035
She currently is the most popular tho

>>89212131
retard. It's a fucking name.

>>89216581
she's not even as popular as the holo she leeches off of

>>89212131
don't join the Idolm@sater fandom.

This women seems like a yab machine. With that amount of EX careers, won't be surprise if she graduated before laplus.

>>89217058
>highest CCV and viewership
>highest members count
Miko is undoubtedly the most popular holo right now and the one with the most fans

>>89217058
but we're not talking about pekhoeleech the reclining leechhoe

>>89173957
Chloe survived orcart

>>89214740
Yes, we.
>>89214095
Even the only 35P who visited Miko fanmeet when no one else did back then has the same opinion as me. https://x.com/minamogakkai/status/1855221003002982742.. it's not okay to plagiarize. Even nousagis seethed when that one anime has bootleg Pekora and they begged Cover to threatened and sue the anime studio and the anime studio had to apologize in the end.

>>89174297
also isn't there a youtube rule reason everyone call her biboo now since her proper name would get flagged for the youtube bots thinking it "jew"?

>>89214710
It's not done out of respect, it's done out of something lightly and spontaneously thought off of, it's done out of malice. The plagiarist already had other names that she presented for her fans name at first but then she read the chat and got it from them lightly and treated the fanbase name a joke, as if she's also basically made fun of Miko and her fanbase. That's why she had to damage control and tweeted that she'd change the fanbase name later.

>>89173957
25p sucks, I vote for Niccers

>>89214035
Right now she is, the last month she was only surpassed to aqua's freaking graduation.

>>89177702
Your surname is Retard.

>>89217876
I mean every holomembers who did flowglow reaction yesterday didn't like it too, they got silent during that part and prefer fanbase name Niko already posted on the screen before the 25p suggestion

>>89218489
This. You can see others holos POVs and even them didn't like it and got weirded out by it, they know she's just copying Miko

>>89173957
I would definitely suggest nisagi as fanbase name for her tho since nousagi is a soulless name that's is not significant/with no value or whatsoever that she can reuse

>>89212131
Been a 25p since mid 2019 and i thought this 25p thingy was funny and lighthearted.

Sure Miko had it the roughest but that's what should make every 35P proud of her and supportive of the youngsters, that because of Miko's hard work, the newer generations no longer have to deal with the scaryness of the early day's.

I you are an OG you know how rough it was and wouldn't want it to happen to the newer generations.

>>89217058
retard

>>89174411
>>89174521
At the time, it only had about 12 thumbs ups on urbandictionary, so the term essentially didn't exist; she could have easily taken it over.

>>89188843

>>89217058
I'm talking about Miko and not peko retard. Migo is currently the no 1 chuuba and no amount of pekoseeth and nijiseeth is going to change that.

>>89220443
nah, doesn't even beat Mori

It's just that three letters can't be on the X trend, so it's not recommended right now.

Q. Why are holomen afraid of Niko tigers?
A. Her entertainment agency
https://www.hirata-office.jp/talent_profile/talent_profile_03.html
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%91%9B%E8%A5%BF%E7%BE%8E%E7%A9%BA
https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCaG1Qs7DpSqug3zozdXrErQ
https://www.instagram.com/kasaimiku_hirata/

btw This is Riona.
Former AKB-Team8
https://48pedia.org/%E7%AB%8B%E4%BB%99%E6%84%9B%E7%90%86
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWaBzMznksk

good, fuck that WHORE how dare she try to steal Miko's name

>>89178800
The power of the best language in the world.

>>89188843
I love this girl.

>>89220702
That only makes Calli's engagement ratio to look really bad, same with Gura.

When you are mostly a streamer what counts the most is clearly the average viewers per stream and members, then hours watched and then at the end subscribers.

>>89221737
Mori is a musician, Miko just larps as one

desu all the original choices sucked
i don't like anything between nicotan, toroughner, and tankyuusha/seeker

>>89218292
No, she just thinks biboo is a cutesy name and she sometimes still gets called bijou by other members

>>89178492
>Twitch is not anal at all. That's why you have Twitch people asking people to keep their streams on in the background of another tab because it'll count as a view.
It's also why websites like fextralife have a twitch stream permanently embedded throughout their pages. You're not there for the stream, but just having the embed there means you both count as a viewer and they get to make ad revenue off your ass even if you use adblock (twitch video ads can't be blocked through stock adblock options, you need to know which extension/script to use to effectively get rid of them).

>>89222329
Miko is more of a musician than Mori who can only do shitty rap. Also reminder Miko's album sold more copies than anyone in hololive (except Suisei of course), and she even sold more album copies than Mori's albums in Japan, combined

>>89175945
the faggots in her chat were, this place mostly thought it was retarded

35p surely are the most pathetic fans.

>>89208988
>It's just migo seething.
She bullied Rushia too, makes sense.

>>89188925
>Chumbuds
>Kronies
>Ruffians
>Grems (Uki yab made them public enemy number 1)

>>89218292
You do realize that because they are retarded EN's, they pronounce her name wrong to begin with, right? It's Bijou not Bijuu.

>>89215929
It’s a pun on ‘cronies’, anon: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crony#Etymology_1

>>89173957
>35p fucking suck
>but we want to be derivative of them in every way
Antis can't even pretend their positions have any relation to each other anymore.

>>89191507
I think Raora just thinks it sounds silly, without necessarily knowing the implications.

>>89226110
>ビジュー

>>89217362
>14000 members
>single tier at 490 yen
>adds up to 6,86 million yen per month
>even if she gets just a third of that money after youtube and cover it's still 2,287 million yen per month
that's 15000 dollars per month at today's exchange rate
>tfw that's one and a half year of my eastern european minimum wage in just one month
>just from memberships alone

>>89224638
Nope that's still nousagis. And you know that other holos are also proud of 35P right?. Oh and also you can watch other holos POVs who also did watchalong of flowglow debuts, they also didn't like it when Niko plagiarized Miko's fanbase name, fanbase name is very personal, not just something that you can steal or treat it lightly.

>>89226958
I make more money than Miko as an american programmer?

>>89226958
btw that number is only a bare minimum estimation based on members who show up in chat/comments.

>>89227042
You make 15k dollars a month passively as a programmer?

>>89218349
I didn't even watch it, so she never thought of that at first and just got a funny joke comment on stream and then took it at face value without thinking about it?
That's not malice, that's just autism.

>>89227440
it's possible

>>89227506
She knew she shouldn't pick it but felt overwhelmed by the chat. You'll notice after the initial outburst at her calmed down, all the people complaining specifically called out the retarded greynames who proposed the fanname as a meme.

>>89227042
>>just from memberships alone

>>89227585
They're newbies, everyone is a grey name.

>>89227585
The manager who told her it was okay is also to blame. She might have been hoping to get shot down by management so she could play it off, but now she's in an awkward spot.

>>89227440
21k, not passively, but neither is hers, she's not Gura

>>89227585
So it's just autism and failing to read the room.

>>89227623
They are greynames in the truest sense, just as many antis watch debut streams as future fans. No genuine fan with plans to stick around proposes a joke name that they know causes conflict.

>>89228372
which is why asking for fan names in debut streams is fucking retarded, that's how you end up with shit like "justchads"

>>89227916
>She's not gura
Yeah coz she's migo. A higher tier than the shark.

>>89228407
The problem was the "randomness" to the process, she listed three options. Then she randomly selected a chatter that didn't pick those options. To handle fannames in a debut stream you either have to go in with an actual plan or propose things to finalize in your next streams where you can actually talk to the people who come back.

>>89188925
Not on that list but you don't mess with watamates, one chink did and... well...

>>89227916
Bro... You never heard of MiComet before or something? Their merch sold out first before anyone else.

>>89226113
Yeah, and it's still shit. No surprise from that uncreative lazy whore and her cuck fanbase.

>>89228687
>>89228471
You are missing the point, Miko actually does work.

>>89228795
And? Are you telling me gura is the only holo who have a passive income? All of holos have passive income and migo is literally on the very top of that.

>>89228878
I think you might be actually retarded. Holo income is only passive if the girl is on hiatus. Saying membership income is passive when you're streaming is like saying an office job salary is passive when you're showing up to work.

>>89174209
Amellionaires?

>>89228977
>Comparing an office job who receive a salary for working to a membership that every chuuba gets whether they stream or not.
This is the most braindead and most retarded take I've read in a while. Good job retard.

>>89229265
>gets paid for working
>passive income!!
retard

>>89203820
What, that stupid looking mini shark trapped in a bubble? Nah that looks kinda cute unlike the abomination that is Chattini with its MASSIVE FUCKING FOREHEAD!

And don't forget that 'skippa skippa' thing that Chattini members spam sometimes

>>89212131
koronesuki are better im afraid but 35p are a close second

>>89214625
retard justchads is good

new gen girls are so unoriginal its cringe

one girl's name looks like sui-chan, the other girl laughs like noel, another one with niko name and wanting to name her fanbase as 25p, and looks like raden, cringe fucking shit

>>89212131
Holy bases!

>>89217058
Keep seething Noufagi

>>89232070
Yep completely agree. Yagoo has lost his mind.

>>89232070
I call them the rip-off gen

>>89217876
NTA but it doesn't change the fact that you're just a newfag and lying about watching Miko since the beginning. And the only real problem is because it's more of meme name not something she came up by herself, if she decided to use 25p with her own reason not just "for the meme" then there is no problem at all and it's not plagiarism otherwise Soratomo should start suing other talent for using -tomo

>>89233157
>if she decided to use 25p with her own reason not just "for the meme" then there is no problem

they shouldnt have "too similar" names, fanbase names, fan mascot models, at least among all the hololive talents
su-chan sometimes pronounced her names almost like "sui-chan" during the group debut video
being unoriginal is one thing, but its also so fucking confusing, and i have never hated a group on their debut until this one, this ripoff gen man >>89232070

>>89218971
Not worth the risk to be associated with that. Especially since it was the beginning of Holo En

>>89233157
The only possible "reason" in your imaginary scenario that didn't happen is to copy Miko. The name 25P has no fucking meaning outside of copying Miko.

>>89233885
It can be confusing for some people but that's not the same as retarded newfag larping as oldfag spouting bullshit like plagiarism, disrespectful etc

>>89234216
>true things are false because they are said by people who larp on 4chan
That includes your own posts you fucking retard.

>>89228771
>kayfabe narcissist character
>Supported named after her
>Also a pun that implies preferential treatment
It is a perfect fan name

>>89234212
Holy retardGOD, copying the name itself if the reason is something like she got inspired it's not a problem, it's not a plagiarism you retard, the other reason could be the same as Miko with the P copied from Idolmaster.

>>89234334
Then you're saying Miko using P from Idolmaster is also plagiarism? retard

>>89234484
I know it's very important to you to maintain a facade of being retarded but when it comes to legal battles over whether something was knowingly plagiarized or accidentally copied in the subconscious, the fact that the person she's plagiarizing was someone she was leeching off of hours earlier and referencing the fact they had a similar-sounding name eliminates any possibility of it not being plagiarism. She also didn't pick it, so why you are wasting your time defending something that didn't happen is unclear. There were people trying to force it into existence before she debuted including a prominent Pekomiko fanartist.

>>89234216
not the newfag anon, but yes its plagiarism and disrespectful.

>>89234813
Plagiarism means Miko own the IP of using number for Japanese language and P, go back flipping those burgers

>>89235136
What the actual flying fuck are you talking about? Plagiarism in cases where there isn't serious money involved is not a legal issue, it's a moral issue. Plagiarizing public domain works is still plagiarism.

>>89235136
lmfao you are so fucking retarded oh my goodness

>>89232070
M8, Ao was literally A-chan in a suit. Dev_is always had designs that reminded you of someone else.

>>89235226
>Moral issue
It's only an issue in your own head, I don't see you're seething about Miko "plagiarized" the P from Idolmaster? Tell me how is it a problem is you copied something because you got inspired by it? The only real problem here is because it's too similar that might cause confusion.

>>89235661
The problem is that the fan name is supposed to be the fan identity. A joke based on someone else's fanbase is actively detrimental to that purpose. Plus it just makes it awkward for both fanbases if they have nothing to do with each other.
And you're intentionally obtuse if you can't see the difference between Name-P and 25p and 35p.

>>89235661
If you want to play devil's advocate by taking retarded positions you don't believe, at least go for an interesting angle. Maybe try one you do believe like all dedicated vtuber fanbases are cringe and should be mocked.

Nijifags trying so hard to pretend there is a yab just to make up for losing two girls over a fucking "muh accent" spat

>>89212131
Okay insecure retard

>>89235799
>The problem is that the fan name is supposed to be the fan identity. A joke based on someone else's fanbase is actively detrimental to that purpose.
This isn't what you're seething about at all, you're seething about "It's a le plagiarism, it's disrespectful, a moral issue"
>if you can't see the difference between Name-P and 25p and 35p.
No said they are the same exact case but it's still plagiarism and a moral issue according to you but ofc you conveniently dodging it because it doesn't suit your schizo delusion.

Amazing how both girls didn't have an issue with each other but the fanbase feels the need to talk about muh morals

>>89233157
>otherwise Soratomo should start suing other talent for using -tomo
Retarded disingenuous faggot

HONDA
HYUNDAI

GTX 1070
RTX 4070

>>89234526
>>89235661
Fucking retard, the P wasn't even from idolm@ster. Even some long time vocaloid composers are named somethingsomethingP, the P just means Producer. But, this isn't the same case with Niko naming her fans 25P, which she blatantly stole from Miko. Not only it looks similar to 35P, but it also sounds similar, she even named her fanbase with (numbers)P as if she made her fanbase name just as a joke and made fun of Miko's fanbase

>>89236602
Also meant for this retard >>89236227

>>89236029
>t. cuck behavior
If someone stole something from you or stole your identity you'd be mad too, unless you're a cuck of course

>>89173957
>All these tomos and dachis as hololive fan names
Literal non issue

>>89236602
Holy EOP newfag, do your reps, you're embarrassing yourself, even the real oldfag 35p >>89217876 knows that it's from Idolmaster because it's fucking obvious in the context the P Producer that promotes the idol you dumbfuck.

>>89236786
The word lost all meaning because of retards like you.

>>89236964
Nobody cares specifically about the P part of the name you retarded fuck. That's not the main similarity.

>>89236964
Tomo/dachi actually have meaning in Japanese and it's not unique, meanwhile naming your fans 25P just as a joke is just blatantly stealing from and basically making fun of an already big established fanbase like 35P. I mean, no one would have a problem if she just named it nikopi (not 25P) or nikotan (one of the names that she already prepared as her fanbase name) for example, it's the naming scheme that bother people, that and she basically spontaneously thought of it lightly just to make fun of it. Mind you not only the fans themselves who got bothered by it buy other actual holos too, you can watch other holos watchalong POVs and see their reaction when Niko stole Miko's fanbase name.

>>89237111
Dumbfuck newfag, even irl idols refer to their producers with P-san all the, and that was long before idolm@ster was even thing

>>89237412
*all the time
*was even a thing

Too many cucks here. Imagine being fine if someone stole your identity.

>>89212131
sister you aren't fooling anyone. Miko's already tweeted about this.

>>89237412
You're unironically a retard that can't comprehend concept and context, it's obvious that you're just that EOP which why you can't lack of comprehension taking things at face value, I ain't gonna waste my time just to spoonfed you ever aspect and detail, the fact that real oldfag and a Japs not EOP like you know that it's from Imas.

>>89237354
>paying homage le bad because uh... IT JUST IS!!

>>89237950
And she defended me, her fan, if you watch her live reaction you'd know she was very bothered by it, and she's in the right, because Niko just blatantly plagiarized Miko's fanbase name and made fun of it, Miko poured all her heart into it when she named her fanbase, with the purpose of making her fanbase as her producers, and then this newcomer came and basically stole it and made fun of it.

>>89238174
She didn't pay homage, she made fun of it and spontaneously thought of it, treated it lightly, saying as if for Miko her fanbase didn't mean anything to her

>>89227916
I mean the 15k is a minimum, with speaking in chat. Its likely she has 20k+

Also of course merch which is the biggest moneymaker, thats twice yearly bonuses of easily 500k+ USD in profit, then sponsorships and lastly superchats.

>>89238122
Again, the P for Producer thing has been a thing for a long time long before im@s even existed. But still doesn't excuse that Niko plagiarized Miko's fanbase name

>>89238181
https://x.com/mikochisub/status/1855261886725681622

Read it again

Read this too
https://x.com/sakuramiko35/status/1855259904409530831

If you're continuing with this, you're a retard.

>>89238181
>And she defended me, her fan
She defended people in believe that her fans and holofans wouldn't be that stupid and it's just falseflaggers
>if you watch her live reaction you'd know she was very bothered by it
>Schizo interpretation
Next time take your pills before watching stream.

>>89238428
>schizo interpretation
she literally said "don't name it that, go change it!", if you still don't understand that she was very bothered by it, you're a retard. I know and been watching Miko for a long time already and I know when she's angry or bothered by something, her whole mood changed and she was mostly silent, even during Su's debut (after Niko) she was mostly silent and just said "un un" while watching. because she was still bothered, it wasn't until Vivi's debut that she's back to her usual behavior.

>>89238425
Miko is a good girl, but that doesn't change the fact that Niko plagiarized and made fun of Miko's fanbase (me). I still won't forgive Niko until she changed it

>>89238290
Again, do your reps EOP and you're actually just saying Miko doesn't plagiarized Idolmaster she plagiarized the first person using number as substitute for Japanese and P which means Niko doesn't plagiarized Miko but she plagiarized whoever those people that Miko plagiarized to.

>>89238619
>more schizo interpretation

>>89238721
Miko didn't plagiarize anything because there's no such thing as for example 55P or 105P, that means KokoProducer or JunkoProducer before. Are you really that retarded to not understand where the problem lies? Niko plagiarized her fanbase name 25P from Miko fanbase name 35P, and she made fun of it too, that's she fucking problem

>>89188843
I remember when they picked the name from a selection, and Elizabeth was so disappointed. I felt really bad for her, needing to share a gen with brainrotted zoomers.

>>89238798
That's not an interpretation, that's what happened on stream, Miko hated it because Niko plagiarized her fanbase name and I know it

>>89238721
You have no idea what plagiarizing means.

>>89178800
Chattinx

>>89237950
>>89238428
>>89238798
What's with nijiniggers trying to deflect by calling others sisters while clearly arguing in bad faith? You're as obvious as always.

I don't know why, but western 35p seem just a bit more autistic and unstable than the other JP fans.

>>89238987
Sure, I bet the voices in your head also tells you that the real meaning of Miko's tweet is that she wanted people to harass other member.

>>89237198
HJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAH what the fuck was that comment hahahahha

>>89238428
Fans she knows well were vocally against it and some of them never deleted their tweets. She was doing damage control to make it clear that it was antis like you trying to make this hateful drama rather than genuine concern. She sympathizes with the genuine concern but as the public face had to take a neutral position on whether or not the name will be changed because it can't appear that backlash from her was the reason.

>>89239188
So you're saying that it's the real 35p and Holofans that harassing other talent? Miko.. even tho she believes.

>>89239521
Nobody can identify people who use alt accounts to attack others but if you're talking about X specifically, yes they were actual 35P. You can go to their profiles. You'll recognize some of their names even without going to their profiles. The tweets that were deleted were the ones critizing the talent, the people criticizing retarded management and criticizing the retards who tried to force the name on a new streamer? Those were never deleted, they were never even criticized by anyone but antis.

>>89239491
>She sympathizes with the genuine concern
The only genuine is pretty much only because it can cause confusion not "she plagiarized it, it's disrespectful, a moral problem I can't forgive it I must seethe" if you can't see the difference it's either (You)re the falseflaggers or simply retarded.

>>89239521
Most 35P are actual hardcore idol otaku/idolfags, the kind of fans you'd see from irl idols like AKB or Nogizaka have. You should expect this behavior from 35P or even other hardcore holo fans because if you don't like it, this hobby honestly isn't for you.

>>89212131
First off, post your menshi. Second of, calm tf down and read this >>89227585, this is what happened. It wasn't malicious nor intending to leech; she put forth 3 options, some people in chat started spamming 25p, it caught on and snowballed until more than half the chat was spamming it. Her plan was for chat to spam the 3 names she came up with and she/her manager would stop chat at a random point and pick the option that was there (if you watch Miko, you'd know she has done this before too). Obviously, with the majority of chat typing 25p, it was gonna be selected. In fact, I'm pretty sure she rolled twice and got it both times so she gave up and went with it. Anyone with some awareness of how things go knew they'd rescind it after the stream, she just accepted it temporarily because she had no time, she literally said so.
Personally, I had no problem with 25p, I even found it endearing (imitation-flattery etc), it just shows the influence Miko and 35p have in the Hololive fandom. However, as you say later on >>89238619, Miko was obviously bothered by it, she tried to play it off as being fake mad but long time watchers/viewers that can minimally read the room (eg the other Holomen) knew she was annoyed. Not annoyed by Niko, mind you, but by chat, specifically the trolls that spammed it, hence her tweet(s) later. So don't go on tirades accusing her of plagiarism or what have you, it's not wholly her fault, and we both know Miko would be disappointed in you for chastising her kouhai for no reason. She didn't plagiarise it, she definitely didn't make fun of it, they're working on finding a replacement, and Miko said to leave it at that so you have to oblige.
The -p discussion is so retarded I won't even get into it.
>>89235799
This is true too, for Niko's good changing the name to something her fans can strongly associate with is for the best. What they should have done is this >>89228497. Present the 3 names, tell chat to think about them/post about the m on twitter, then the next stream do a poll, maybe even including a new idea/suggestion that came up. Trying to decide on a name in 2mins during a 30min hectic debut is dumb.
>>89214095
I'm still mad about EN4cers getting shafted, it was such a good name, compared to Justchads at least

>>89239858
Hardcore Soratomo ain't behave like that which means those people you mentioned are newfags and don't get to decide on who should leave.

>>89238709
take your meds

>>89240224
>he doesn't know about hardcore soratomo

>>89214662
>>89215929
It's a wordplay so seamless you didn't even notice it was there.

>>89173957
nothing will ever beat pebble piles

Still won't forgive the plagiarist until she changed the name of her fanbase that she stole from Miko

>>89215929
our oshi gave us a dumb name and then blew us up while cackling

>>89240520
Go ahead, post your proof, mind you I've been regularly watching Sora since around mid 2018, whether you believe me or not, I know there is 1 2 old tomos that are quite extreme but no most of oldtomos at most only care about Sora, don't care about other.

>>89240702
i'm still miffed that Fauna couldn't use "Only Fauns" for hers

>>89239811
Nobody's going to fall for your retarded false narrative.

>>89241333
What narrative? Do you think I'm the one that seething plagiarism?

>>89221302
This but unironically

why does miko leech of my oshi suisei?

is it because she knows suisei is the face of the company

>>89227916
You don't make 21k a month as programmer you fucking faggot lmao

>>89244733
Suisei leeches off of Miko, even she herself admitted of being a yes-man for Miko

If she's gonna keep the name 25P she needs to hurry with an official design. Because the fan artists are depicting 25P as just 35P but a tiger and that will not fly

>>89244733
but enough about pekhora the reclining turbo leech always leeching one girl after another

>>89245019
250k salary isn't unusual for programmers in big tech

>>89240166
I appreciate you typing out all this, should've been the first post
too bad the whole thread is filled with shitflingers and 99% of them doesn't even watch any of the girls

>>89244733
The only time Suisei even does stuff is if Miko's involved to hold her hand.

What's up my fellow nicolos?