/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

miguel cat

Bottom left and it's not even close

>>88910180
It's really just between 2 idol girls

>>88910180
If not counting Michael, then Elira with no competition

She single-handedly ruined not only her own reputation but also entire NijiEN as a whole (and to some extent Nijisanji). She used to be regular 4view, but now she is struggling in 3view category

>>88912204
The one thing I'll say for Elira is that she got hotter after she turned out to be evil.

>>88910180
Magni. imagine dropping your budding fleshsona for vtubing and getting nothing out of it.

what did pochi do? qrd?

>>88910180
Pochi and Yuko are like the Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson of self sabotage

>>88910180
It's impossible to get worse than Yuko
Imagine being a GFE chuuba so successful that you convince holofags to start watching a small corpo, then you throw it all away to go back to your 4chan groomer who's a convicted pedophile to make fun of your fans and call them cucks because they supported you
Imagine fucking up so badly that even your best friends go "yeah this is fucked up" and stop talking to you months before the public found out about the drama
It's baffling to me that some people still watch her and some vtubers still try interact with her instead of completely blacklisting her. Seeing any chuuba even follow her or reply to her tweets should be a huge red flag, she's that bad

Mel doesn't deserve being here.

>>88910180
I hate that bitch bottom left so much, her dumb fucking mengen antics made her gachis insanely obnoxious and they're ruining every fanbase they've infiltrated after she broke their hearts

>>88910180
Mel shouldn't in the pic miguel gato should be

why the fuck are you not including Michael Jordan you trying for a feel good story or actually trying to win the gold?

>>88910180
OP probably

>>88912204
Don't forget probably killing shared lore connections and themes between individual vtubers. I know they didn't really capitalise on the Solar/Lunar dragon thing much with her and Selen, but who the fuck is going to run the risk of having to say "She's got a matching theme but the other girl fucked off and everyone thinks she's to blame" about their next gen.

>>88912204
I wouldn't put that much blame for the smear campaign on Elira but she definitely helped NijiEN destroy their reputation. Anyone who understood how the internet works should have understood it was a horrible idea to join a smear campaign against someone who attempted suicide. Vox did the same thing and several of EN livers made it clear they were corpo bootlickers.

>>88910180
Elira did nothing wrong except be a loyal corpo minion and do as she was asked, Yuko and Mel are just kind of stupid, Vesper and Gura are just lazy, but Pochi...Pochi is an actual fucking menhera schizo. She tanked herself so hard for literally no reason at all, it was painful to watch.

>>88910180
Who's the bottom right

>>88910180
I don't really understand why Sen is included in this pic because she's one of the most successful vtubers in history.

>>88913569
too bad no one actually attempted jack shit, and no taking 10 aspirin for attention and pity doesn't count. You fell for her grift just like everyone else. The nijiEN members knew what really happened, and were just defending themselves from being thrown under the bus. If she actually shot herself or something there's zero chance that it goes down like that.

>>88913726
B-b-but she said her dad started crying!!

>>88913065
I remember when she first debuted and her fans were shitting on Rin for being open about her homolust, only to have reality smashed on their heads. so fucking satisfying.

>>88913833
a..a..and...what about the hospital band?? that proves it! n..nijiniggers!
It's astounding how gullible even hardened psychos can be sometimes

>>88910180
only one of those still loses subs every time she streams

>>88913726
Even if every single thing Doki has said was a lie, the black stream was still an awful idea that makes Niji look even worse and Elira should have known better.

>>88913726
First of all, let me have my dumbass otome villain liver.

Secondly, it doesn't matter what actually happened, at all. It's pr, not court.

It's a situation where there's a lot of confusion, and what the three of them did was stick their heads up and scream "Look at me! I DID IT I DID IT!" in the eyes of the Internet. There was no version of that where it was a good move to make.

I don't entirely buy into the rrat, but they really made themselves look like the bad guys. If you've something like that going on, the non-dumbfuck option is to shut the fuck up, sit behind the corpo lawyer, and either let it blow over or drop a few platitudes. And for the love of christ, if you have to say something, don't make it a three on one against bullying claims.

>>88910180
Elira > Yuko = Vesper > Pochi > Mel >>>> Sen

>>88913681
She won the vtuber lottery and did very little with it

Vesper but you could argue he did a good thing because the less sex pests in the world the better. I think every homo should fly too close to the sun so they get instantly terminated.
Second place goes to the kurosanji girl. I forgot her name but her career is permanently fucked wherever she goes.

>>88914136
that I can agree with. I understood the damage control PR spin they were trying to do, but it was extremely poorly done and poorly timed. Just not a good move at all, even if every word they spoke was true, which I think most of it was.

>>88914217
also true, perception and public opinion matter more than the truth in this warped society

>>88910180
Pochi's meltdown was funny. I didn't expect her to pull the "moving hort and stressful" card, but it still made me chuckle.

>>88912347
This, idk why he ain’t there instead of vesper. Vesper already settled at were he ended up but Magni going crazy because no one wanted to watch him and to this day his numbers still getting grimmer

>>88914495
what a waste of a great model. then she gets that horrible beat-up toddler model, the biggest downgrade in vtuber history. her whole arc was such a shitshow, and I blame her for Fuyo leaving

Qrd on Pochi? She looks cute

>>88910180
Kiara

>>88914551
he really played into the "teehee i'm straight but if you get me drunk enough i might get fucked up the ass" angle too, he was without a doubt going to be milking the fujos for all their worth. Just crashed out the dumbest way possible for being a former educational channel

>>88914590
she is an adorable french girl with a cute accent from idolEN first gen. her streams get sparse, she alienates her genmates, she sperges out on fans on x, she goes on long hiatuses, then she gets a new (horrible) cunny model, still barely streams, graduates promptly right afterwards. Because move hort, motivation hort, mean people on the internet hort

>>88914736
oh and lest I forget, tried to shaft fans out of all kinds of donothon goals, just wanted to take the money and run

>>88914736
Also she skipped out on goals for three(3) entire donothons

>>88914785
Let me guess. It's because working is too hard?

>>88914785
yeah I added that part, forgot at first!

>>88914736
>>88914763
Thanks anin, sounds like someone who has trouble with responsibilities and struggles with public opinion. Shame...

>>88914873
yeah, she really has a cute voice and seemed sweet at first. idolen had a lot of promise in the beginning, its a damn shame indeed

>>88914350
Elira has two options when En folds, assuming she's going indie.
1) Well before her redebut, get on twitter and start crying. Lean into that she'd just landed in Japan when the Selen thing kicked off, and had to make a pr statement she didn't agree with, or faced being made jobless in a country where she had no support. Muddy the water, even if one of the ex sanji tubers wants to contradict her.

2) Throw herself on Doki's mercy, publicly, and make sure she looks humiliated to the point people feel bad for her.

>>88914551
the professorlando thing was going super well for him too before he dropped everything for fucking holostars of all things.

>>88914865
Pretty much.
Her last donothon, the moving one ended and right after the selen stuff happened she tried to hop on the "corpos bad Im being mistreated" bandwagon to take all the money and run.
She was shit on pretty directly by other idol members for this and had already destroyed all fan good will by not streaming and getting shitty with fans in members posts and on twitter. Which made her attempt to pull a selen very unsuccessful.
In the end Idol decided to offer refunds for her donothon and hice her the unrefunded portion, which, judging by bitching on her pl was not a lot of money surprisingly

>>88914948
EN isn't going anywhere, sorry to disappoint you. Go look at Scarle or Aia or some of the other's SCs. Even Elira still has at least 500 members. It's free money with no overhead, AC has no incentive to change anything. They dont make as much as they used to, but they still make more than anyone that isn't hololive and the top 5% of indies

>>88914983
The views were going down

Vesper and Magni was a culture clash so there isn't anything hilarious about that. They got shafted hard with shit models made by shit FGO artists. The only people who cared are fans or """"""men"""""" who have a case of chronic cuck mentality.
By that time even blur Dorito fans were starting to get tired of em management.

>>88914551
I mean, look at the Magni model. I'd chimp out too if that thing was forced on me. Almost all of the first gen had shitty models besides blue man.

>>88915144
merge is incoming and graduations are booked full till halfway next year

>>88915274
he'd do much better focusing on making his content on his most popular channel interesting again instead of trying to become a male vtuber

this thread was probably created by a fandead that wants people to circlejerk around other people instead of his mess of an oshi for once

>>88915384
Fandeads got fucked and it will never stop being funny.

>>88910180
What did sensazawa do?

oh fandedus....

>>88915144
They're shrinking while other En branches are expanding, and we're up to like four girls crying on stream about En management. They'll be merged in.

>>88915483
Nothing, that's her only problem, not doing anything and basically wasting away her golden ticket

>>88915483
Making holodrones seethe and reminding the rest of us that holodrones are only corporate bootlickers.

>>88910180
>Senzawa
Last place. She is in a position where she gets tons of money on the regular for literally 0 work. We can't call it self-sabotage if she's living her dream.
>Mel and Vesper
They were in great position, they fucked it up for themselves but then managed to make a decent enough comeback. They might not be living the dream anymore but they're doing fine all things considered.
>Pochi
She never had the golden ticket that the holos above had but she was in a decent position in her small corpo, if she had stayed she would have eventually gotten the option to become part of Brave group or go indie with her Pochi IP. But she couldn't be bothered to hang around for that long so she left and redebuted as a much less successful indie.
TL;DR she went from small corpo to smaller indie
>Yuko
She was in the same basic position as Pochi but not only did she refuse to stream she also caused a fanbase war between her /k/ groomers and her /jidf/ GFE and cunny fans. She eventually went indie but failed so hard that she returned to working at Starbucks
A well deserved second place in the self-sabotage olympics
>Elira
Her corp was once seen as the biggest competitor to Hololive, now she struggles to compete with small corpos. This girl could have had it all but through bitterness, jealousy and a series of women moments she not only self-sabotaged her own career but also that of her entire branch.
Nothing can compare to that. Congratulations you earned your first place.

>>88910180
Tough choice, but Yuko and Pochi for being given such PERFECT models and throwing it all away like that.

>>88913726
There were too many livers desperate to leave NijiEN because they knew their company had become toxic. The ones who stayed like Enna have bragged that their fans would love them even if they killed someone. Maybe that was a grimdark suicide joke but the smear campaign against Selen proved that NijiEN has turned into a demonic crab bucket.

>>88915761
Jim Nantz...is that you?

>>88915308
>>88915322
What did vesper and magni do? I don't follow hololive let alone homolive. I assumed they just quit because they weren't streaming enough or something mundane like that, but is there more to it?

>>88916251
The tldr is corpo was bad and stifling. Which as someone else pointed out, isn't really a new idea. We've known that since coco and most recently with ame, gura, and aqua. There was also jp's basic saying the same thing recently.

>>88915761
the thing to remember with the Idol girls it that they were going months without pay from their corpo. nothing like no income to make people desperate and stupid.

>>88916251
Vesper was unironically not fit for the corpo life and knew it, he renegotiated the contract and it didnt work out.
Magni nobody knows, just that while Vesper moved on and is happier, Magni is still bitter about it all.

>>88916422
Why did only pochi have this problem?

>>88916425
wouldn't say happier but settled in quickly to his new reality. a shame about magni because he could be creative but instead every clip i get recommended to me of his new persona is always complaining about NDA or drama involving holostars. its way too late to start complaining about that on stream.

>>88916366
>>88916425
>We've known that since coco and most recently with ame, gura, and aqua
I mean, there's a big difference on how big they were at the moment Ame and Aqua left after being several years on Hololive. At this point they had built such a brand that giving a third of their earnings or more to Hololive was a waste.
For the homos I don't know if they could do something like that after what, a year in homolive? If Vesper just didn't vibe with the contracts and restrictions then more power to him but I imagine that his prospects as an indie streamer aren't nearly as bright as those of nuAme and nuAqua.

>>88910180
picrel did

>>88916505
Pochi, Yuko, Riro, Fuyo, and Juna have all mentioned it, maybe more i dont keep track of everyone.

>>88916598
Well of course not because male BAD female GOOD. Though it's not just that, streaming in general is just hoping to get lucky or just trying to be an edgy reaction streamer like asmongold, Hasan, or that guy who got swatted.

>>88916513
>its way too late to start complaining about that on stream.
He's over it now, the last time it got brought up was because people were harassing him for hanging out with Altare and Bettel in NY so he had to address it.

>>88916422
>months without pay
I guess idol stopped getting the money the Israeli government was giving them because of the war.

>>88916366
Not really, they just got kicked out, but for different reasons and with the NDAs every thing got really confusing, but they have both made it clear that they didn't want to leave when they did and they weren't allowed to have a graduation.

>>88913726
So how come Anycolor didn't sue her?
Oh wait

>>88915761
you're insane. Elira isn't bitter or jealous. She's not a numberfag, she never has been. She's never had good numbers, she just autistically plays gacha and rpgs for 9 hours in a row and has fun. None of the rrats about her are true, and anyone who has ever watched her would realize that. All she is guilty of is being a loyal soldier and following orders.

>>88913726
>still pulling the 'NOOOO SHE DIDN'T ACTUALLY TRY TO KILL HERSELF' card
lol

>>88917176
mutually assured destruction

>>88917228
>all she is guilty of is being a loyal soldier and following orders
Which makes you guilty if whoever is giving said orders is evil.

>>88916676
>Though it's not just that, streaming in general is just hoping to get lucky or just trying to be an edgy reaction streamer like asmongold, Hasan, or that guy who got swatted.
Yeah, most people streaming are struggling to be consistently 2views.
Even most mid size corpo tubers (think Kawaii or Phase Connect) have a dayjob and stream for some extra income and a lot of big regular 4views still live with their parents (though not because of lack of money just because they are menheras).

>>88917262
And instead, they get what? Assured self implosion, congratulations Anycolor.

>>88916251
>What did vesper and magni do?
The guys felt sorry for Kronii because they knew she hated the sleazy coomerbait design and likely got into a huge fight with management. Myth, Council, and Tempus had zero input on their designs and that didn't change until Advent. That explains why Cover has made several "mistakes" with Ina and Kronii.

>>88917771
Really? Maybe this is just rrat b8 but if true then it would be hilarious that even after "making it" they simped themselves out.

>>88917248
please show me some evidence that she did then. She was totally fine, streaming, with a line of merch and new managers and assistants and assets all ready to roll right after such a "traumatic" event. yeah, totally legit. those 5 aspirin almost finished her off!

>>88910180
Mel has no place there wtf

>>88917771
Ah outfitschizo, it took you long enough

>>88910180
Probably her and took down Idol with her.

>>88917771
I doubt it has anything to do with the girls
>>88917111
We don't know what really happened, but the bigger problem seemed to have been between Magni and management.

>>88917990
she got fired for talking with a "friend", wrongly so, but yeah

>>88918058
Man, this was BS, I would have sued!

>>88913210
Because if you did there would be nothing to discuss. She is the absolute queen of self sabotage.

>>88913614
>Elira did nothing wrong except be a loyal corpo minion and do as she was asked
No one asked her to do the black stream.

>>88918058
It still boggles my mind that Idol would fuck up the most open-and-shut termination ever by casually revealing that the head talent manager was letting this kind of shit slide in exchange of sexual favors

>>88918058
it was just a RP, she had done it multiple times before. She's doing fine on her PL now, no one cares

>>88918184
yes they did, it was corpo mandated. she's dumb but she's not that dumb, no one lines up in front of the firing squad willingly. if you followed her PL it was heavily implied

>>88918379
>it was just a RP
sorry you didn't get to tap her like that guy who bought her an iphone, bro

>>88916366
>There was also jp's basic saying the same thing recently.

the what??

>>88918379
>it was just a RP
For you it was.

>>88910180
You forgot the G.O.A.T.

>>88918481
The what?

>>88910180
Elira won considering she killed one of the most profitable branches in the vtubing industry
What the fuck have the rest done?

>>88913957
ogey phasecuck

>>88917946
Magni and Vesper may have gotten fired while helping Kronii but it's obvious that several EN talents on frequent "health" breaks were also fighting with management. The guys were both offered 2.0 model redesigns so they likely did want Cover to be fair to Kronii. Ame leaving Hololive, Ina not getting her work visa renewed, and Gura refusing to shill merch indicates that even a year later the negotiations are still heated.

>>88912357
All I know is she got a redesign and it was a total downgrade

>>88918600
>phase seethe out of nowhere
Don't take out your rage from being cucked at bystanders, boobro.

>>88918600
boobro your tears tastes delicious

>>88918542
>still going on 4 years later
>collecting simpbucks while playing normie gaymes
>not even delivering something approaching gfe
>every new shitty rap song gets one gorillion views
>nobody gives a shit about the times she insulted her audience
I'd say she has got it really good. If it weren't for Advent and Justice having a whole bunch of girls who are willing to stream more and put more effort into it she'd still be at the top of donos/hour streamed for EN.

>>88914948
>get on twitter
She can't, at least not easily. She deleted her PL account so after the required waiting period (which I think is a month or so) someone created a new account under her username and has since 2021 has been randomly lockinh and unlocking it and tweeting vague things - and then after the blackstream happened it changed the pfp and banner to Doki art briefly before going back to the original images and just changed the bio to "I'm sorry"

>>88912204
>>88910180
Unforced error
Elira sweeps

>>88918428
Nta, that's the account that was posting shit like "I'm sorry" before deleting the account right? I missed that part of the drama.

>>88916425
not fagni claims Vesper is also angry but keeps it in, certainly back as a homo it was Vesper who showed more signs of being salty and conflicted both with unicorns, homosisters, management and other members. Fagni probably wanted to get into vshojo but his numbers were too low.

>>88913614
>>88918428
So she chose money over human decency.
Glad we got that sorted.

>>88919006
Begging Doki on her hands and knees it is then.

>>88917111
homos never got graduations

>>88919190
>wanted to get into vshojo
no, he said no more corpost like a week after the graduation

>>88917228
The amount of merch she had shunted to herself fucking over Selen and Pomu says otherwise.

>>88910180
Which one is kyoresu

>>88915144
I'd buy if it weren't for Riku. He watched ID slip, did nothing to fix it and merged them to JP a bit after to save money.
EN still makes money, but corpo-wise, it's been shown already that he'll cut as many corners as possible to save a few hundreds (and lose thousands in the process lmao). So, it's not really that far-fetched to believe EN could die at any point. Especially when some of their heavy hitters are gone and most of the community outside their fans ipenly hates, or worse, have apathy of them.

>>88919562
who?

>>88919257
>Elira has to eat out Doki for forgiveness
Kino stream idea.

>>88910180
Gura is being smart. Why would you work when you can just do nothing and get a big paycheck?

>>88910180
Elira hands down.
The black screen stream didn't just ruin her, it ruined literally everyone in NijiEN.

>>88918460
>>88918509
these are basically the "your mom" jokes of chuubas.
no substance or sauce, just trust me bro

>>88913614
>Vesper and Gura are just lazy
Gura sure, but Vesper is an actual menhera who lost his shit when he went off meds for a bit

>>88920009
>meds
You meant he couldn't sneak his """medicinal""" weed into japan

>>88910180
>Putting Senzawa and Mel instead of picrel who did worse than anyone there but Elira
Cmon OP, be better

>>88914948
>Lean into that she'd just landed in Japan when the Selen thing kicked off, and had to make a pr statement she didn't agree with, or faced being made jobless in a country where she had no support.
Here's the thing: Elira didn't move to Japan. She was just visiting because she was going to be hosting the NijiEN Mario Kart tournament from the Niji office. She still lives in Canada.

>>88920213
Hana?

>>88910180
Their crimes:
>Singlehandedly fucked over the entirety of NijiEn and destroyed the reputation of nijisanji as a whole in the west
>Graduated
>Stole money from her corpo
>Got terminated for being a bitch
>Insider trading
And last but not least
>Didn't stream

What a honest list

>>88920969
>Insider trading
Based!

>>88919699
>Elira wakes up in a cold sweat from a dream where she's looking up at that smug face.

>>88910180
>Elira
Argument could be made that it wasn't her choice but the fact that she said she volunteered her channel for that video is damning
>Pochi
Worst part about her is that her model was perfect and her streams were perfect, then it got ruined, then her streams dropped in quality, then that whole idol shit happened
>Mel
We don't really know what happened other than someone ratted her out that she trusted so I don't know if she's to blame there. Also she has a new model again anyway.
>Riku
I know nothing about her other than the fact that she used to be hardcore GFE or something, went against it then regretted it. I have no idea and don't really care
>Vesper
I have no idea and don't really care
>Senzawa
She hasn't even been fired yet

>Winner
Elira because more people know about it and when Nijisanji is gone, she'll have to live with the sin she committed.

>>88920334
I'm aware, but I'm suggesting she starts lying and doesn't stop.

>>88921438
>Elira because more people know about it and when Nijisanji is gone, she'll have to live with the sin she committed.
That's how I see it, everyone else will be fine except her in the future, its kind of sad

>>88923769
eh, Enna is doing her hardest to tie herself to the sinking yatch with her retarded contrarian antics, let's not forget her little zatsu last month where she said how proud she was to be in niji and called Vivi and Kunai bandwagoners for leaving

1) Yuko Yurei
2) Elira
I believe that it was not her personal decision. And she still has a chance to present herself as a victim of the corporation, having received some support.
Nothing will bring back Yuko's fans.
3) Kamiko Kana
4) Pochi
5) Millie Parfait
Vesper might be worse, but I don't know anything about homosexuals.

>>88914060
Didn't Niji themselves admit that they were trying to contact her at the hospital?

>>88924753
Yes, but sisters keep conveniently forgetting Anycolor's own statement because it doesn't fit their narrative

>>88914238
I don't think Vesper is even close to everyone else here. He stepped out of his comfort zone, gave Hololive a shot, decided he didn't like it, and went back to what he was doing previously with little to no problems.

>>88910180
pochi fucks up every redebut with long breaks after the first week

>>88924109
timestamp please I need to see this

>>88918600
Idol lost
Don't pick fights you can't win

>>88924909
Really? There was more than redebut?

>>88926580
https://www.youtube.com/live/3SO3SNqE4Ls?si=kE2haELXWQu_od5n&t=10446
She didn't call them by name she just calling people who leave niji and expose them for the black company they are a bunch of bandwagoners, but this stream was a week after Kunai's graduation and she obviously knew about Vivi's upcoming graduation so it's clear who it was directed to

>>88912778
Agreed here. Mel got legit hoed and snitched on by Kotoka after she confoded to her and that caused her termination.

Ignoring Mikeneko, are there any other examples of JP talents fucking themselves over really hard by being such menheras?

>>88912318
I was so mad there were no good doujins

>>88929561
It's a debate if it's a self sabotage or a tragedy

>>88929732
Matsuri is driven slowly more insane every time she gets NTR'd.
But the worst was when Hoshikawa denied her request for a date, then went and had an off-collab with Gundou and made out with her.
Matsuri hasn't been the same since.

>>88928899
>trust me bro

>>88910180
>senzawa
she made millions and now has to do nothing and still gets more passive income a month than i make a year
she won

>>88929839
>Mel has an offcollab with Kotoka
>Mel gets fired 2 weeks later for NDA breach
>Kotoka tweets that she isn't involved in the current situation and goes AWOL
>5 months later Niji announces a rushed, half-assed collab with the "NBA" with Kotoka being included despite not streaming for 5 fucking months
>3 weeks later hololive anounces a proper collab with the Dodgers
STOP
NOTICING
THINGS

>>88910180
I don't see how Gura self-sabotaged, unless you mean "got more attention than she wanted".

>>88913726
You realize that doesn't address the point of the post you replied to at all, right? Whether you acknowledge the suicide attempt or not, it doesn't change the fact that they tried a smear campaign against someone with public opinion solidly on their side.

>>88930239
>>88929839
Kotoka is a fucking snake and people who don't notice it by now are either being purposely ignorant or are retarded.

>>88920096
you can find weed in Japan.

>>88930353
They treat weed like Heroin in Japan

>>88930353
Possesion of weed is illegal in Japan, famous people have gotten sentenced and blacklisted just for mere possesion.

>>88910180
the nijipenguin and it's not even close, she destroyed Hololive/Niji relationships as a while.

>>88930813
>petra...
>leaks discord banter cuz bad at obs
>is the runt of the often lauded lazusydia era
>will never be japanese
must be hard being her

>>88918542
She hasn't done anything really stupid in a while.

>>88927900
>bandwagoners
she's clearly talking about people out side of the company dogging them for the drama, not the streamers.

>>88910180
>forgetting HoloCN
>literal unironic ChiCom infiltrators
>yabbed so hard they nuked their entire branch off the face of the planet
>went from hololive to literally lower than dirt poor overnight

>>88932311
eh, most of them besides Doris and Hecatia managed to bounce back to a certain degree

>>88910180
Being groomed is self sabotage?

>>88912318
This.

She should have embraced the evil persona and start bullying the other girls (playfully and seductively). That would've been entertaining.

>>88910180
My mind says Elira, but my heart says Yuko.

>>88910180
Magni
>>88930059

>>88910180
Rushia. I'm not sure I'd even nominate Elira because she's in a league of her own, sabotaging not only herself but her entire corpo to the point where they started massively declining on all fronts.

>>88914217
Lmao
>It's PR, not court
So? You live your whole life only by what the courts determine? Are you retarded?
>There's a lot of confusion
Where? What the fuck are you confused about? No matter how you slice it they willingly and knowingly participated in a public smear of a known suicidal former colleague, there is not a single version of events that excuses this.

>>88936021
No you actual retard. Of course what they did was evil as fuck. The point of the conversation was that even if their version of events wasn't bullshit, and Doki made the entire thing up (aka, whatever line the nijisisters are still running with), it was still a dogshit move to make and they've only got themselves to blame for it.

The confusion was at the time, from the audience. People suspected a ton of shit, but there was enough up in the air that nobody knew for sure. Doki wasn't saying shit, she was moving on. Then the three tardamigos decided to bring all the attention on themselves, and practically confirm all the theories.

LTR, this fucking board.

>>88929635
The only porn I saw was of Elira sucking Niji exec dick for 2% of her merch.

>>88937953
There was that one of her being gang raped by Niji management with "black company" written on her stomach. Though that got nuked from existence because the sisters referred to it as revenge porn.

>>88914588
Pochi is maybe 4th on the list after Yuko's implosion, management being lazy and incompetent, and Riro's termination.

>>88918542
Not now callischizo

>>88934122
Adults have to take responsibility for their actions. Having shitty people egging you on isn't an excuse.

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>>88913726
I want Elira to graduate and shittalk Nijisanji, just so I can see you fuckers cope.

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>>88941501
but was there any evidence?

>>88919173
yeah that's the one I was referring to

>>88910180
Vesper
He had more views/subs/supas as Vesper than his past and current life
It's not like he had to do as many projects as the girls do, and most importantly Holostars have more freedom to do what they want despite the perms shit
He had an easy meal ticket but since he's literally mentally ill he's most at risk for self-sabotage

>>88910180
Are either of these the girl who literally killed herself because her corpo sucked that many balls?

>>88910180
>Vesper "I quit my old job to bike cross country" Noir
>Vesper "can I taste that chair seasoning?" Noir
>Vesper "I forgot my anxiety medication in the states" Noir
>Vesper "YOOOOOOOOOOO" Noir
>Vesper "Fake I.T." Noir
>Vesper "refrigeration is for the weak" Noir
>Vesper "I'm going to walk into Tokyo Bay" Noir
The man was a bipedal train wreck, I'm suprised he lasted as long as he did.

>>88910180
Mikeneko

>>88910180
mel really shouldn't be included here, she held her shit down for ~6 years despite going through some harsh stuff and surviving the EARLY days of hololive. and as far as i can tell no one she worked with had a bad word to say about her.
even now, despite getting the rug pulled out from under her, she picked herself back up and got back to work without trying to make drama out of it.
making a mistake isn't the same as self sabotaging. but thats just my impression of it, maybe i missed some information about that whole thing

>>88914060
Stop talking to yourself.

>>88915632
Go back to crying about Doki, sis.

>>88930813
This image always makes me laugh because while all of that shitflinging is going on, Mysta is just posting his diary and losing his shit. I'm glad he's doing better.

>>88910180
Viewed through the perspective of lost potential, Gura is the biggest saboteur. The other are nobody's anyway.

By this point, she could have surpassed 6 million subs, released multiple successful albums, and held at least two solo concerts in USA.

>>88927900
god, I used to really like her voice and humor.
I can't even listen to her, elira, or millie without getting angry anymore.

QRD on the idolen girls here? absolutely ignorant on them

>>88910180
Answer is easy, which among these can eat daily?

>>88924834
he's just another irrelevant faggot this days

>>88947550
too many fags called him "based" for being autistic 30 something retard just like MEEEEEE and refused to notice signs that were there from the start.

>>88911962
True

>>88934122
only when the groomer come from this site

>>88941393
>"I want Trump to start WWIII just so I can see you fuckers cope"
Same energy.

>>88910180
Elira did the most damage by scale, but Yuko did by far the most damage by proportion, so I'm gonna give it to her.

>>88910180
Why mikeneko isn't included? Fuck you. Include her. Also she wouldn't win because she did nothing wrong.

>>88957452
dog girl is addicted to redebuts and donothons that never get finished because she fucks off on menhera breaks for weeks/months, and also tried and failed to dokibird her company while in a dispute about trying to exit scam them

the ghost girl meanwhile could have an actual small novel written about the shit she did, but the absolute barest minimum tl;dr is
>groomed as a minor by actual pedophile rapist /k/fags
>joins corpo
>eventually ditches /k/fags to go full GFE
>/k/fags get assblasted and start raiding her corpo general all day every day for months
>it becomes crips vs bloods levels of antagonistic between the former and current fanbases
>decides to fuck off and horrendously and purposefully stress out fans for a month during the same contract dispute
>ends up publicly reconnecting with the /k/fags, who begin fully openly taunting and shitting on her fans
>runs away and ghosts fans for months once this blows up on her
>finally shows back up and says nothing about what's happened or why
>instead declares she's dropping GFE and deletes any GFE content she did without warning
>blames her fans for being unsupportive and throws them to a small horde of dramafag and normalfag tourists who instantly start shitting on them because they were triggered by the mention of GFE, meanwhile as the pedophile rapist /k/fags still harass them
>instantly loses quite literally every paypig and artpig she has, gets most of her merch orders refunded
>breaks down crying on stream about having to go work at starbucks now
>gets seemingly excommunicated by everyone else in the company and hangs on like a toxic wart for a while until she "finishes" her donothon goals that people waited a year for
>graduates, now streams mostly for the /k/fags that still shit on any of her corpo fans that actually stuck around

>>88910180
Salome doing those Raw Danger streams and pre-recorded Hitman streams, during debut buff, tanked her ccv pretty quick. She's stabilized now and is doing decent, but she could have held on to her peak for another 2-3 months.

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>>88912318
Hard agree, and you can tell how much she fucked it by nobody at all doing anything with it. Once you've lost the coomers, you've lost everybody.

>>88967296
There are so many vtubers nowadays, I have a hard time figuring out why some people stick around the ones who are obviously groomed or have drama-prone fanbases.

>>88910180
Senzawa wins by an insane margin

>>88967296
Yuko really fucked everyone, including herself, over completely. What a fucking idiot.
>>88967581
Yubi didn't do anything nearly as bad as any of those retards in the OP post.

>>88961075
Not relevant to the conversation number monkey.

>>88914350
Lmao vesper really mind broke some anons here

>>88974137
some of them remember more details about him 2 years after it all than the sisters do.

>>88912318
This is true

>>88912318
I wish she had gone full mask-off after the black screen and the fallout

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>>88932311
civia mentioned! Wish she wasn't winnie pooh's strongest soldier, she was really cute