/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>8855825
I want Mumei to have far less so that antis leave her alone

bloody hell sana is actually less than half of kronii's

>>8855825
No, Mumei should be in Sana's position

>>8855825
I think this is a very even gen, no girl stands out as great and no girl stands out as bad. As such I feel bad for whoever is at the bottom but I also would feel bad for whoever she overtook. Only gen5 can have that cute thing where all the sub numbers are permanently close to each other.

>>8855825
No it should be
Time girl
Space bitch
Rat
ASMR bitch
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.
.
.
Mumei

>>8855825
KRONII LOVE

The real ranking is superchat earnings. Dead subs don't matter

>>8855825
Exchange Mumei and Sana and yes

>>8855867
How did you know anon, how did you know printers would infest this thread when you were first post

>>8856314
He made all subsequent posts

>>8856084
Based timebro

>>8855825
the one that's not virgin should be way lower

>>8856349
This.
I am her biggest fan and biggest anti. I build her up to knock her down. I am the carrot and the stick.
Were it not for the geographical distance I would've long stalked her while simultaneously calling the cops on myself.

>>8855825
Owl should be ahead of time, but otherwise it looks good to me.

>>8856215
Why are fandeadcucks like this

>>8855825
It's really disappointing to see so many racist fans in Hololive.

Fauna vs Rrat is the new Ina vs Kiara

>>8858071
now that coco is gone, fandead are unstoppable now.

>>8855825
Brown skin debuff is real

Turns out the real debuff is being australian.

>>8856215
so people actually approve kiara? whats going on /vt

>>8855825
Kronii: deserved
Mumei: should be last
Baelz: should be second
Fauna: fair
Sana: should be third

>>8855825
Space should be higher, Time a bit lower
Otherwise fine

Mumei is love. Mumei is life.

>>8856400
None of them are virgins. Sorry faggot.

>>8859662
Approve? No. But money is the universal metric of success. What good are 3M subs if they make less money than someone with less?

>>8855825
Take half of Sana's subs and give them to Mumei and the ranking would be perfect.

>>8855825
Sana and Mumei should switch sub counts. Everything else is fine.

>>8860935
>Kronii and Mumei should switch sub counts. Everything else is fine.

>>8855825
>Kronii
I like her voice and that she plays a character. probably the only Council I Liked
>Fauna
I'm bad with forced high pitch voices, so I couldn't watch her long enough to judge her
>Baelz
Didn't watch her
>Sana
She seems like a regular girl, the Aussie accent is weird
>Mumei
Not my type

Kronii
*POWER GAP*
Sana
Rrat
*POWER GAP*
Deer
Owl

Why do women hate dumb women like Mumei so much? Guys find it adorable.

>>8867174
You just answered your own question. She's getting all these people fawning over her and she isn't even fucking trying, contrast that to deer who tried hard to fake it till she makes it.

>>8855825
The objective ranking is

1. Kronii
2. Sana
3. Fauna
4. Baelz
5. Mumei

>>8860033
>What good are 3M subs if they make less money than someone with less?

ad revenue

sponsorship deals

>>8867174
do you find dumb guys adorable? it's the same thing but reversed

>>8860408
Mumei is carried alone by design buff, you're going to see the opposite as time goes on

>>8860033
cope

>>8867577
The only thing that's guaranteed is that Kronii will remain the number one of EN2. But I expect Mumei and rat to fall behind and ultimately get overtaken by Sana.

All of them should be over 500k like IRyS, but YouTube fuckery just decided to delete a shitton of subs.

So that ranking is completely worthless. How are they actually doing? Who the fuck knows.

>>8867913
nuked 30k subs off each of them over and over

>>8867831
>The only thing that's guaranteed is that Kronii will remain the number one of EN2
Do you remember back when Mori debuted? Everyone was selling her like she's hot shit. Now people realize how half-assedly she does her job. With the way Kronii also similarly sounds bored and disinterested, I'm putting my money on Kronii too reclining and EN2 just crashing and burning. There is no Gura in this gen.

>>8867577
https://files.catbox.moe/t4qbjc.mp4
She's too retarded to be overtaken

>>8867831
Sana is permastuck like Flare unless she reinvents herself
Fauna will edge out Rrat initially, until Rrat's JP pandering starts to pay off with JP collabs
Mumei will stay comfortably between Kronii and Rrat/Fauna, watch for when she "snaps"

>>8868039
They have lost more than 200k subscribers so far

>>8855825
No. Mumei should be at 5 mil already.

>>8867174
>Why do women hate dumb women like Mumei so much?

Let me break this down for you

Imagine for a moment that you weren't sexually attracted to women and you had to pick a female vtuber to watch. Are you going to pick a vtuber whose only appeal is making cute noises and attracting people who want to fuck her, or are you going to pick someone who is interesting and funny, or someone who is good at the things you like?

Women have no sexual interest in Mumei and as a result she has to appeal to them on her merits, of which she has none. The ONLY reason Mumei has fans is because 'she cute' and 'must protecc'. If you don't find her sexually appealling and you don't find stupidness attractive then why would you like her?

>>8855825
Yes. Sana is garbage and the number shows

>>8867174
Would you find cute a guy acting like a retard?

>>8867831
>But I expect Mumei and rat to fall behind and ultimately get overtaken by Sana.

I absolutely believe Sana will make up the difference once YouTube figures out their bullshit. They're still knocking 2-3k subs off of her a day. She's a great artist, extroverted, good at video games, funny and sweet. There's no way she'll stay on the bottom once the sub problem gets straightened out.

>>8868541
>If you don't find her sexually appealling and you don't find stupidness attractive then why would you like her?
The same reason I like animals and kids. Cute stuff is cute. Not everything is sexual you freak also YWNBAW

>>8868652
Yes because I'm gay

>>8867174
I don't know what it says about men that they find acting retarded to be adorable

>>8867306
A paragon of truth.

>>8860033
>But money is the universal metric of success
I guess Van gogh was a shitty artist then.

>>8867306
This is the truth.
Kronii's numbers are inflated by coomer appeal, but she should obviously still be on top where she is.
Sana is the objective second best, but has been hit especially hard by sub cuts and dark skin, probably doomed to be least popular forever despite her genuinely good personality and talent.
Fauna and Baelz are both pretty much where they should be currently.
Mumei is carried hard solely by her model and has no actual merit or noteworthy traits as a streamer.

Sana is at least as good as the cuck holos.

>>8868730
>The same reason I like animals and kids. Cute stuff is cute. Not everything is sexual you freak

I mean Mumei is about as smart as a dog so....but is she smarter than a 5 year old

>>8868778
I like smart women. I goslinged for Sana the hardest when she started nerding out about string theory.

>>8855825
I like sana AND mumei
Can't stand kronii though

>>8868337
Kawaiiope is still 2nd place in viewership and subs for EN1.

No. The ranking should be Kronii > Sana > Baelz >> Mumei >>>> Fauna

>>8868858
Sana's got that nerd appeal for sure

The day she gets glasses on her alt costume all the Sanallites will be literally drained of cum

>>8868830
He was

>>8855825
Discuss

>>8868730
I cannot believe you just admitted to wanting to fuck kids & animals you sick freak.

>>8859613
Yeah wtf was cover thinking? There are way hotter accents like posh Brit or French.

>>8855825
Yes

>>8869005
Mutt can't handle the banter of the chad Aussie shitposter.

>>8869005
French accents, like Israeli accents, sound like a mental disability.

>>8869156
I like Sana just fine. The sub count for the NZ rat and Sana would agree with my sentiment though. Just saying there are hotter accents.

>>8868845
>has no actual merit or noteworthy traits as a streamer.
literally plays the most debuff games and still came out on top yesterday
seethe

>>8855825
YT took twice as many subs from Sana than the others so she'd be closer to Fauna and Bae by now

she'll move up there though. she and kronii are having the most fun

>>8868987
I wasn't there for that poal, so it doesn't count.
Good choice though.

>>8869005
rrat is doing just as good as fauna though, sana is fucked from being a nigger no matter what

>>8869388
Here you go, king

https://poal.me/v29ln4

>>8869582
Sorry, I don't vote in polls that have been botted by trinitards. Thank you for sending the link my way though, I appreciate it anon.

Sana is criminally underrated

>>8855825
Fair enough

>>8855825
No. Kronii has less subs than Kiara.

>>8869677
This
I love EN's new bogans and just wish Bae could nail down a schedule that doesn't fuck with my sleep reps.

>>8868987
TRINITY LOVE!

Kronii being the queen is good with me.

>>8868919
>The day she gets glasses on her alt costume all the Sanallites will be literally drained of cum
Holy shit I got hard just thinking about the reveal. I gotta find some glasses fanart ASAP.

>>8855825
Mumei needs to switch places with Sana then it will be fair

>>8868903
And she'll be second in subs for the entire company soon, too. The rrats have eaten the brains of everyone here if people genuinely believe that Mori is going anywhere but up.

>>8868987
I'd personally swap Kronii in for Sana, but it's a pretty good list.

As long as Bae is happy, I'm happy.

>>8856400
None of them are virgins except maybe rrat

>captcha:S8NJN

Actual Fair Ranking

1.) Kronii - She deserves the top spot for how much value she brings.
-Tries at comedy, regardless of whether they fall flat or are genuinely witty. Often incorporating her rig's expressions and doodads to amplify the comedic effect.
-Good clear voice
-She can sing.
-Frequently interacts with and teases chat ala Shigure Ui
-Plays interesting games and isn't complete shit at them
-Other members admit that Kronii helps organize their shit behind the scenes.

2.) Sana -
-Again, good clear voice
-Plays interesting games
-Is a cute dork who will keep talking about shit she thinks chat would find interesting.
-Extended Rhythm Heaven stream even when she wanted to stop for the sake of her viewers.

3.) Baelz -
She tries, but is a bit awkward. She's like the EN equivalent of Polka.

4-5.) Fauna and Mumei
Are these girls even trying. These talentless e-girls should just stream on twitch.

>>8872341
Based and accurate analysis. Still love all of them.

>>8872341
Accurate analysis

>>8872341
mostly agree, I have hope for the Rrat though

>>8855825
I don't understand why Mumei is so high, or Fauna either

>>8872657
Pre-debut good design boost. Sad to say, but it's a pretty big factor.

>>8872657
Sana's gotten her subs pruned by YT about five times now

>>8872719
Roughly, twice.
https://trackholo.live/en/member/?name=tsukumosana

>>8855825
I’ve always known that this place was just a cesspool of retards being as wrong as possible, but the owl’s success combined with the fanfic cuckoldry has been a saga for the ages and I genuinely love the owl for making you guys look like huge fags

>>8855825
yes, what the fuck did you expect, did you seriously thought a nigger in this setting would get any more than the short end of the stick. see: flare
whoever thought of this idea hurted and ruined the potential of the person behind sana. i would legit be pissed if i was her

>>8868778
>>8867520
>>8868652
>>8868541
retarded guys are bros!

>>8872942
This. I had an actual tard friend back when I was in school and everyone fucking loved the guy.

>>8872771
Is she the first hololiver to reach 100k subs thrice?

>>8873137
It looks like she's close to having done it three times.

>>8855825
Mumei is that high because of design alone. Sana is that low because of design alone. Their numbers should be swapped if you go by entertainment value.

Clock domination

>>8869178
You sound like you have the mental disability.
inb4 >YWNBF

>>8872906
seethe and cope numberfag

>>8855825
Just further confirms how important character design/looks are.

>>8860033
>What good are 3M subs if they make less money than someone with less?
Gura proably made all of Kiara's cash with the one Taco Bell contract.

>>8875634
Those don't count based on what some dumb anons were saying about FBK last year.

>>8855825
Who are these vtubers?

>>8876018
My wives

>>8868925
People will remember him and envy his vision long after we are both gone.

>>8855825
mumei is fucking boring. she should be in last place

>>8868541
girls like cute girls just as much as guys do. not everything is a sexual thing.

>>8869178
Ehem ecxsqjexues mei monseiguer, ouie do noht souhnd like zehuat, yeu stewpuihd americhuane boye

>>8855825
No. Space and Civilisation FTWrra8a

>>8868710
I hope so but I don't see how that happens. I was initially frustrated by the lack of Sana clips out there until I put some thought into it and figured out why. Sana is a clippers' worst nightmare. She's got a strong accent that can make it hard for ESLs to transcribe what she's saying, she's actually good at games and goes into a lot of detail about things she's passionate about and is also generally laid back and doesn't get tilted easily. Those are all good qualities for people who want to get invested into longer content but it doesn't give much ammunition for people making 5-10 second clips. There's no wacky mess-up in a game, no roasting of chat, no salt being spilled. No real 'yabe' moments nor really any potential for them.

I mean, look at the clips of the EN/ID Mario Kart tournament. Very little are of Ina or IRyS dominating things but there are tons of Mori telling people she doesn't know the controls or Ame getting tilted and throwing controllers. You'll be hard pressed to find a Sana clip of her Celeste playthrough but you'll trip over Mumei clips of her making confused bird sounds as she attempts to play Construction Simulator.

I don't think this is a problem with Sana, nor should she attempt to change what she's doing to cater to clippers and that kind of audience, but it is something to keep in mind when thinking about how her channel will grow relative to the others.

>>8872942
>>8873039
Not if it's a tard guy who's clearly faking it to get attention from girls, and have girls fawning over how "cute" and "innocent" and "would never hurt a fly", when you know too well that it's the total opposite.

Switch the genders and what do you have?

> Mumei is carried hard solely by her model and has no actual merit or noteworthy traits as a streamer.

I've always wondered why people didn't say the same to Ina when she first debuted. Sure art streams are fun but my first impression was that she simply wasn't the type of person to be a "successful streamer" because I've seen comfy streamers never hit it big.

Was surprised to see 4chan support her so much instead of bashing her with similar comments as Mumei's.

>>8856215
>The real ranking is superchat
thats only for the holo, for the company and sponsors is the number of subs, thats the real business that pays the bills

>>8856469
I like your mentality

>>8855825
This is actually pretty close to how I predicted it. I thought the rat might be a bit lower tho. But space girl is definitely gonna stick to rock bottom

>>8879105
Anon, only fucking losers start malding over some guy being a good PUA

>>8879344
Why did space girl have to be black. The world is not fair

>>8855825
Sana gets more fanart

>>8855825
Unironically yes. Sana probably would have also been boosted but her png looked like shit so no one's giving her a chance besides booba/brown over hyping types.

>>8855825
>owl that high
No.

>>8855900
She got fucked hardest by Youtube for whatever reason, the fewer subs each of them had the more they lost

>>8879387
>malding
How I know you're the biggest loser here.

>>8867577
Kronii is carried by voice

>>8855825
no, they should all be much lower. Shit gen.

>>8867306
I like Fauna and Baelz a lot, but i have to agree

>>8872341
>Fauna and Mumei aren't trying
spoken like someone who doesn't watch streams

>>8872771
Some of those bumps are also removals. I think she lost 1k mid stream later this week.

>>8880077
Kronii has the most, but most of them look basically the same, so it doesn't feel like she has much. Sana's pics seam to be more varied, even if she has less

>>8855825
>top is a boring whore with a valley girl voice
I don't understand holoEN fans.

>>8855825
Yes.

so the consensus is "yeah, they are okay..."

Meanwhile JP gen 3 has fucking Pekora, Marine, Rushia, Noel, and Flare. Even JP gen 5 beats these 5 shitters with Botan alone.

>>8882185
Kronii > Botan

>>8882276
You must be a comedian, good joke.

>>8882185
>>8882276
>comparing newbies with enstablished gen
you're both retarded

>>8879188
>Was surprised to see 4chan support her so much instead of bashing her with similar comments as Mumei's.
Because what they are really complaining/mad about is the boyfriend narrative. Mumei on first glance is very similar to Ina, a shy soft-spoken vtuber, they even have a cute mascot companion.

>>8879344
Rat is making up for having one of the more weaker post-debut starts by having a lot of streams already.

>>8881334
you can't draw time. you can draw giantess.

i dont think i will ever understand how anyone likes the aussies
i probably would have liked sana when i was 12, but i cant find a single thing about her i like, especially her shitty model
and the rat was the first time someone's debut stream was so bad i had to turn it off halfway through
there are some nice australian accents, but i don't know how cover managed to find the two worst ones in the world, both on annoying people

>>8883955
And it's great

>>8867357
>ad revenue
current youtube ad rev is shit
>sponsorship deals
this one sounds like it should work out but somehow Kiara still gets more sponsorship deals. but then again she is usually the one that shills EN merch so I guess it makes sense.

Barny Owl being second place makes no sense to me.

>>8875554
the ones seething are her and her kekfans
your post is the definition of cope

>>8885039
>has only done half as many streams as the others in the same timespan
>dead silent in both group collabs
It really is a mystery.

>>8868858
>Sana
>smart
Pick one. She can talk string theory all she wants, but believing that random configurations of stars are fortune telling magic means she's kinda retarded no matter what.

>>8889817
>t. Haven't watched it

>>8881901
When the alternative is two actual whores pretending to have super high pitched anime dub voices, and two Australian accents infinitely worse than even the worst valley girl accent, it was an inevitability that the only decent sounding girl would win.

>>8889955
I did. She believes this shit, which is how she is able to assign breads to people based on the personality traits she thinks that random balls of plasma lightyears away assign to people at birth. She's a retard.

>>8868652
As long as they aren't assholes and socially inept then sure

>>8855825
Sana should be in the top 2.

>>8889817
t. threadwatcher

>>8884308
aussie is discount british, anons are lapping up the closest they can get so far until Cover gives a legitimate one.

>>8872341
>4-5.) Fauna and Mumei
I honestly do not get how they passed. Maybe they'll show their true potential down the line but as they are right now they pale so much in comparison to the first HoloEN gen.
I mean in general how did they go from rapper, professional artist and ex huge internet sensation to this?

>>8855825
Seeing this I'm so happy that I'm not a numberfag drone who believes that numbers have any correlation with actual stream quality.

>>8855825
Sana should be third but her model fucks her over. Hakos and Fauna should tie for last place. Mumei it's debatable if she deserves first place bc she is quite niche, Kronii both deserves and doesn't top spot, she does bc she has the "best horni model" and "best horni voice" but I believe she right now is enjoying being number 1 for holo en2, however she will grow tired of having horny kids for an audience eventually and she will start being more cynical, like how gura sometimes snaps because she is the shitpost/dumb one but hates getting made fun of.

>>8855825
Ollie really made some ill will. Rrat should have a chance.

>>8855867
i mean yes, also I want to have more chances of her reading me, yeah I'm being a sicko, but come on, she is just that great.

>>8868541
Bro, I busted my sides on fucking CONSTRUCTION SIMULATOR and she wasn't even trying. yes, most of the humor came from her being a retard, but that is so organic it can't be found elsewhere.

>>8891911
>Mumei is niche, so it's debatable if she deserves first place
>Fauna and Hakos last
I'm sorry?
How is Mumei in any way "niche"? She's the adorkable airhead gamer type
The only "niche" one among them is Fauna with her ASMR streams, and even then she does games in other timeslots
What are you on about?

>>8868778
our brain is retarded, instead of "advancing" together with a smart girl we find the need to protect uncapable women.

>>8882185
>and Flare
kek

>>8855825
Flip Baelz and Sana. Other than that it's about how I would rank them. I just don't get the appeal of Bae. The others have really clear, definable appeal and Bae is kind of in no man's land. Kind of a Kiara type, an all-rounder but master of nothing. Maybe she'll find her footing, but right now meh.

I suspect that the gap both up to Kronii and down to Sana is a product of human psychology. Number big? Make it bigger. Number small? Leave it small. That may sound retarded, but we've seen precedence for it. I'm a 10 month membershrimp, but I can admit that Gura is riding the same wave of momentum that Kronii is right now. The bigger you are the easier it becomes to get even bigger. So as much as fags pretend that debuts don't matter, out of 2 EN gens we have clear examples where the members at the top at the end of the debut perior rise to the top, stay there, and then continue to grow as that momentum builds. It takes something pretty dramatic to disrupt those trends. I'm still hopeful for Sana, but I think an art stream instead of Holoscopes would have been a better choice for her first stream post-debut. That window where all eyes are on you is limited and she really hasn't displayed her biggest talent yet.

>>8891703
based.
imagine caring about how much subs/views your oshi has instead of just supporting them no matter what.

couldn't be me

>>8856469

I feel bad for Sana, but she seems like the kind of girl who wouldn't really care about numbers. She's a good girl.

>>8892555
Chill, if I was a printer I would have said she deserves last. I said she is niche because she is cute, but most people might not enjoy accidental comedy and might want something more defined like how gura is a shitposter

>>8893403
yeah
thank god nobody in EN2 is like kiara

>>8892221
I push all the rrats and get people to hate her and leave her so this becomes a reality. Don't let your dreams stay dreams.

>>8893808
she might actually cry if she is /here/ she knows the rrats are not real and fails because of them, I'll pass, but good offer.

>>8893403
hope she's a pseudo-Ina, with reasonable numbers but dedicated wealthy fans

>>8856215
It's the views retard.

>>8893891
only normal that an art girl attracts wealthy individuals, people who commission art are fucking stacked

>>8855825
Not fair to Sana...

>>8855825
Fauna and Owl are the best. Followed by Sana.

>>8893998
mother/daughter comedy duo then?
Fauna seems to fake her voice too much for me to enjoy

>>8893887
Understandable. I, for one, think girls are even cuter when they're suffering.

>>8892967
Bae has all the wrong qualities for a streamer. Not a gamer, likes dancing but holoEN doesn't do idol stuff, can't draw, has no niche interests or talents, she could turn into a good singer but it's the least special skill in vtubing etc. I get the vibe that she's just a big fan of JP hololive and that was her sole reason for auditioning.

>>8894105
and she still made it in, so who knows. also she did okay on her there is no game steam for being a non gamer

>>8894105
>likes dancing but holoEN doesn't do idol stuff
I mean, who knows. Maybe she here because Cover has plans to change that.

>>8855825
>the absolute state of Flare

>>8894908
I'm not saying she will flop, but it's definitely gonna be harder for her if she sets out to be a variety streamer who has to carry herself more on quick wit and charisma.

>>8895118
It's not her fault for being in the golden generation of holo

Sana is the old Flare of EN. Nice girl but shitty design.

>>8867306
So there are anons of culture here…

>>8856215
>>8893945
it's superchat and viewer retention. Ad revenue is linked to how long people are watching your stream, not just how many clicks you have.
So in some cases when you see a vtuber finish a stream that had high live viewers but low total views that's actually better than low viewer numbers but high total views since that implies a lot of people are tuning in for a short amount of time.

Mumei is a boring retard with zero taste in games. Fuck you if you like her.

>>8867520
We don't use the word adorable, but dumb bros make for great friends. At least amongst each other.

>>8855825
>ranking
It was established long ago that memes and pleb appeal are more important than steam quality, and thus sub count is a worthless number.

>>8867520
If a guy is dumb they are a failure, because they need to be able to secure a well paying and stable job to support themselves and their family. Women don't have that much pressure on them and attitude/personality is more important for raising children than their actual intelligence.

>>8895166
This is important to note. What an absolutely stacked gen. Truly the golden age of Hololive.

>>8880657
Which is all you need to hold your ground in this business

>>8855825
>>8856215
The REAL ranking is in your heart. Numbers don't matter. Supas don't matter.

For people so obsessed with a vtuber having a boyfriend you sure want to share your oshii with a lot of people.

>>8885039
>>8889591
Her design is super cute. Simple as.

>>8855825
I do think, had their subs not been nuked repeatedly, it is still pretty accurate to the ranking they would have had.

>>8885039
Carried by the design. Imagine if she and Sana had switched models.

>>8872341
>2.) Sana -
>-Again, good clear voice
>Sana
>clear voice
>Sana

Low standards

>>8855825
i only really care for fauna and mumei desu

>>8855825
Kronii > Sana > Fauna > Mumei > Baelz? Not bad, but personally for me it's:
Sana > Kronii > Fauna > Baelz = Mumei

>>8868710
>I absolutely believe Sana will make up the difference once YouTube figures out their bullshit.
lol.

>>8897530
I really really don't want this to be the case but every day that passes like this it seems more likely.

>>8855825
no it is not fair, my oshi has only 15k and she is far better than any holoEN.

>>8897688
you're right, the sub count is only a reflection of who has the better design (this is a company wide thing) not their talent.

My favourite holo is Akirose but I didn't even give her a chance nor intend to for almost half a year while watching marine, pekora, korone, fubuki, mio and Aqua simply because Akis design felt meh to me.

>>8895118
>>8855825
Is it the nigger debuff?

>>8897289
It's also one of the qualities that is almost impossible to change. One can raise their gaming skill, improve their singing, be more confident, get smarter and upgrade their model but how you sound like is not something that can be changed easily.

>>8910080
careful you can catch a ban for that despite all of the things that happend here