/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

mork tuah bat on that thang

I love my cute, horny and bratty sex fox. I LOVE HER SO MUCH! Erm!

let's have a nice day today

Happy Monday lig I blub my oshi!

This has to be the 6th or 7th bat op in the last 24 hours

peam meaning after:2023 -site:reddit.com

Filian is a wonderful person who is worthy of love and support

>>88236595
FUCK! That's way better

i do not trust vtubers with sharp objects

>>88236603

>>88236654
white woman spotted

>>88236647

https://www.twitch.tv/rinalucsper Is this Bitch an untalked about ligger? She sounds like a thicc bitch

>>88236623
we get a lot of bat oc

>>88236654
>moments before disaster

>>88236656

>>88236677
oh i've seen her before but I just assumed it was a nazuna outfit

>>88236677
damn she sounds fucking obese bro

Brainlet cope is cute

>>88236677
admitted sea, voice that can easily filter people, streams at odd times, super into incest

>>88236647
I guess you are experiencing

Love my wolf wife

God I really want to cum inside Shyrei (Squchan)

Good morning /lig/

>>88236787 (me)
also plays a LOT of yugioh master duel, which is a very specific niche within an already specific niche

>>88236800

>>88236829
good morning and kill yourself

Previous liggy.

>>88236889

>>88236829
fuck off

>>88236889
so true

>>88236889
>love mint ass
a classic

>>88236624
>Monday
>It's Saturday
Open up your cheeks Max, and enjoy your weekend.

>>88236889
>gay yeah

>>88236798
kek

>>88236909
hes so me

>>88236889
TUH-ROO!

>>88236829
hi, how's the prostate?

y so hostile? got your period or smtn?

>>88236889
saruei hours

peam

>>88236910
>>88236882
What happen?

>>88237029
sore

>>88237121

>>88237141
nothing I just want you to die

>>88236889
>show pookie

>>88237176
Understandable, have a nice day.

>>88237226

>>88236718
lies Bat has the highest score in Pacman on Tiger Electronics

>>88237141
I wish I was the reason for that

balls

>>88237326
she looks very proud

wait an erm....
bat.... at.... video games? *eyes widen* *drops cereal*
like...
*gulp*
BAD... at... video games!?...

>>88237363

>>88236991
Post the biting one

>>88237389

are these catalogfags actual liggermen or are they just using us as a cudgel for epic tribal warfare?

>>88237363
excellent post, astounding level of quality. keep up it up, king.

>>88237377
Morch always has the resting bat face

>>88237427
*rapes you at super sonic speed*
hmph...

>>88237352
Not everyone can carve balls into a pumpink, she is right to be proud

Buhh.

>>88237326
uwu

>>88237463

I will call Saruei sweetie and she won't stop me.

>>88237423
Fell right into my 900IQ trap

>>88237481

>>88237510
lubbah

>>88237495
Saru IS my little honey bun, my sweetie pie, my cutie patootie and NOTHING will change that

>>88237459
she looks like a retard

>>88237459
I do have to agree those are some nice Balls. Did she use predrawn lines for those letters?

>>88237521
Perhaps.

>>88237532
Damn right, but she's my retard

>>88237528
uhm that's heckin parasocial bro

>>88237528

>>88237510
did Naiyo get around to playing Postal 2?

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>>88237626

>>88237700
Pink cat good

>>88237699
Not yet. It's one of those games she wants to play someday but as with most streamers her backlog is absolutely huge so who knows when she might get to it.

Hello-o-o-o-oo!

>>88236876

>>88237767
Mint?

>>88237710
This is a good image

>*mumble mumble*
>hehehe *cough cough*
>*mumble mumble mumble*
>it's PISSIN me off

>>88237835

>>88237813
Very nice.

uoh anon i threw up stomach acide after drinming on an empty stomcuh last night uuuu

>>88237835

>>88237855
make sure you drink water retard

>>88237855
Dummy.. be more mindful

>>88237749
I wonder if she will enjoy it

>>88237503
god damn it!

what did she mean by this??

>>88237767
Dougie chuuba when?

>>88237835

I put too much lemon juice in my pasta sauce and now its separated

>>88237903
I wonder too. It feels like the humor will either be right up her alley or a complete miss with no possible inbetween.

*SLAPS*

>>88237855
Man you should always remember to grab a shawarma and a powerade after drinking

>>88237947
just put in a little bit of sauce thickener

>>88237962
THAT ASS IS FAT

Lucyposters should kill themselves.

>>88237835
>>88237850
>>88237863
>>88237931
Onahole wife

>>88237962
I love the ass but hate how metallic her body looks

>>88237979
But I'm almost 240 pounds I'm so close

>>88237855
when i used to drink i didnt like eating at the same time so i used to pour the alcohol into a juice blender and put some bread in there and wait for it to disolve and then turned on the blender for a bit so it makes a milkshake

>>88237956
I think it will be a 50/50. Her class of 9 playthrough, the first one I didn't watch the rest, she got upset with some things but laughed at others. Since it's the complete edition she will enjoy the whole cutting people into pieces with a scythe or machete thing

>>88236677
She collabs with her "manager"

Tell me about Ywuria. Why does lig never talk about her?

>>88237928
I want to watch the vtubers who have watched The Return talk about it together. I feel like the duwag could write a book about her feelings given how much she brings it up

>>88238065
That sounds fucking awful

Grimmi's feet in my mouth

>>88238055
Damn bro, get some ozempic or some shit instead

>>88238055
Eat some apples or bananas then. Low on calories if you want to lose weight.

>>88238102
All i know about her is thay she only posts that single 3 year old commissioned foot art every week

grimmis 12 inch logs in my mouth

>>88237463

>>88238055
Get into intermittent fasting. Do you know your body fat percentage by the way?

>>88238105
it didnt taste very nice but it was better than the other options i tried like dried pasta or cheese

>>88237925
Why is it anime girl when they say something like this, but as soon as they want to twitlonger it's #vtubersARErealPeople #NotYourWaifu?

>>88238129
I'm going through sheer force of will do not put your medication in me
>>88238131
Yeah I got a fresh stack of nyanners yesterday I'll have one when I'm hungry

>>88238147
I like when Grimmi drops these little cursed factoids unprompted. My favourite one was putting mayo on pasta with vegetables because she was too lazy to make proper white sauce

>>88238077
Unfollowed

>>88238200
It will make you stop drinking too, though. It's good for you

>>88238253
mayo on pasta is good at least, not as good as white sauce but still good

>>88238102

No good holes live.

>>88238280
mayo on pasta is pretty banging i like it on hot dogs as well

>>88238325
Watch Holo live.

>>88238325

https://x.com/ChongusDongus/status/1849621663542825426

>>88238280
Mayo has an icky texture

Ligger that act like this type of woman ?

Speaking of mayo, is mayo cat ever going to make good content?

>>88238055
bro do you know how many calories alcohol has? the fuck are you doing drinking?

>>88238325

>>88238402
I made the mistake to buy american sauce at costco the other day, and I've got to say, americans have shit sauces. The texture is just completely digusting. Maybe try an import

>>88238424
Bat

>>88238433
When she brings back the old model

>>88237925
I want to drink iku's anime girl juice so much

>>88238440
I had effectively 4 glasses of wine yesterday and a shot of rum do not question me as I weigh a pound less than I did yesterday morning

>>88238342
someone edit in a liggerman getting an implied blowjob

>>88238494
Yeah, and I can lose 10 kilos by chopping my arm off

>>88238328
thicc chuuba love

Best vchuuba for gooning?

>>88238523
Okay drinking on a Friday night is not even comparable to pulling an opening to SAW VI

>>88238543

>>88238515
are you guys so coom-brained that you talk in gelbooru tags

Kinda miss Bao

>>88238355

>>88238581
yeah

>>88238532

>>88238280
maybe if it's kewpie or european import but Grimmi was talking about your average murrican one which is just grease. It's still funny to imagine Grimmi dumping a can of mayo on top of her pasta with steamed broccoli

>>88238458

What is up my liggers

>>88238630
Contemplating making a pidser for tonight

>>88238728
fatass

>>88238630
sup

>>88238515

>nina/freya collab was scheduled for today
>cancelled because freya got sick
>nina shows up anyway to drop off a care package
I love cute girls being nise

>>88238752
kek

>>88238752
I KNEEL

>>88238055
Is 240 that bad? Or is it just bad if you're short?

>>88238752
>ligma balls

>>88238803
240 is bad unless you're an actual giant. i'm 6'2 200lbs and still look obese

>>88238748
I'm at a healthy 70kg thank you very much

>>88238073
My view of her class of 09 playthrough was that the absurd scenarios actually got her to laugh but she had more compassionate(?) reactions to the down-to-earth problems. It didn't feel like she ever got upset at the game itself for making the jokes.

>>88238803
I've been nebulously 245 - 250 since june when I got a scale barely getting under 244 until like 2 weeks ago, as of this morning I am 241.6 (also 5'10" and rapidly approaching 30)

>>88238875
naiyo boobies

>>88238752
quick question: how do you cut out stuff so accurately? i tried in paint.net, but couldn't get good results. Do I just have to use photoshop?

Tender painal with virtual YouTuber Alice Sawyer

>>88238933
https://youtu.be/btucSPVAIRc

>>88238922

>>88238933
me when i fucking get you

>chatter: use the flame thrower
>saru: I said I want to save it! I don't want to use the flame thrower you fuck!
>...
>saru: I'm going to use the flame thrower
Best part of backseating her

>>88238856
>>88238876
Hmm i'm 230 but I don't look obese or anything, just a bit chubby. I'm 6'0.
I'd like to drop around 30-40 pounds though. I really should try harder but my weight seems very stubborn.

>>88238752
nice

>>88238803
It depends which is why I asked the lucyposter their body fat percent. Because I'm a little taller but about 230lbs and look lean but I have a lot of muscles. It depends on your make up and how much muscle to fat you have.

>>88239013
i guarantee you you look obese, you just need someone to capture a picture of you off guard and you'll realise how insanely fat you are. that was my wake up call. ended up losing 100lbs

>>88239013
Unless you're fucking jacked you look downright fat.
>t. 5'11 150lbs

>>88238999
She's so infuriatingly dumb that it's adorable

>Squ stretching to reach something so her bare tummy is in full view of the camera
this harlot can't keep getting away with stealing my cummies like that!

>>88238944
I actually used paint.net because it was faster, though photoshop is better for editing and selection. The only issue I had cutting that out was the belt going across the skirt being almost the same color as the background, so what I did was draw a small white line right at the cut off to the background and that was able to fix it for the magic wand. It's really I think knowing quick little tricks like that make it faster to cut things out.

>>88239013
As far as BMI calculation goes you're 10 pounds into obesity which isn't visually a lot, that like maybe a brick in size of weight distrusted around your body, if I'm actually going to do a bit of anti fat shaming the image of obese people is the giant orbs who can't see past their belly button but genuinely your body is at an unhealthy weight even if you look like you just have a few extra rolls, our evolution was for running around all day and barely subsisting, like if you look at a shaved chimp it's 100% muscle humans having any fat is a defect of agriculture

>>88239148
yeah that was exactly my problem aswell. I thought about using the lasso tool in subtraction mode, but your trick is way more clever.

Deploy ass

>>88238999
She criminally underuses things in games, I also don't like it when she totally disregards a mechanic or weapons.

Do these count as a large indie?

>>88238200
Do not eat the fat cat

>>88239366
Why use mechanics when the game is beatable without them?

Her beating ultrakill without knowing blood heals is still my favorite one

>>88239396
What her ccv or does she have a mark?

>>88238355

>>88238752
based

>>88239537
Isn't that like the only healing mechanic besides beating the level? That's impressive

>>88238965
those aren't boobies

>>88239396
>>88239591
>Youtuber with less than 4k subs
>500+ streams of which none recent have hit 500 views
>Regular video content not even getting past 500 views (pretty crazy considering most of it is in the otaku normcore scene)
She is not a large indie, gomen, come back when she has around 1k views on her videos

>>88238999
cute

>>88239706
Parrying heals you to full so it's actually not that hard to stay alive even without lifesteal if you're careful. Not sure how much parrying saru did though.

>>88239396
tits could be bigger

>>88239537
I mean yeah if it's intentional to beat it that way to make it harder then I would be for it and I did like that playthrough too. Maybe it's more than it gets to me when she just acts ignorant of stuff.

>>88239396
lmao at the similar images

>>88238483
wonder if she's going to do some lewd content again? she used to do some iirc but those vods are impossible to find

>>88239733

>>88239815
hot

>>88238757
does freya live in ninaland or did nina take a plane to visit freya?

Just got my food! 3 homemade burgers.waiting for saru to come back so we can eat

>>88239850
what are you doing man

>>88239896
AAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAA

>>88239139
but would you eat the food squ prepared with her feet?

>>88239912
milk

>>88239231
Yeah my bmi paints a much worse picture.
I thought I should maybe aim for 180, but I can't even imagine where that much weight would come off.

>>88239912
Getting distracted. I should be doing something else right now.

Looks like Lumi will be getting fat in Japan
https://x.com/Lumituber/status/1849983334434340888

>>88239896
Looks like you made it right on time.

>>88239896
It's been way to long since I last had a good burger

>>88239880
Germany and Netherlands are right next to each other. They probably only live a couple hours away from another.

>>88239959
Visceral fat cradling your organs, probably

>>88239967
Yeah, fat with merryweathers babies

>>88239959
it comes off from everywhere, including places you didn't think had any fat. i've literally lost fat in my armpits and shins like what the fuck

>>88239934
She seems quite cleanly so I wouldn't mind, I don't have a thing for feet though.

I thought is was pretty common knowledge that merry and yunii are in a realtionship?

>>88240008
That's disgusting, anon. Don't you know he's Danish?

>>88238875
Flipside when

>>88240008
Isn't he with raora

>>88240082
people don't know nothin about anythin anymore

>>88240088
Iunno.

>>88240142
I know that I miss bewi UUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>88240082
Thought they broke up when she moved to nip land?

aaa fuuck you twitch you muted all the parts of mint's halo gameplay i wanted to watch from her POV

>>88240139
Make it happen, I believe in you

>>88240177
when did he move there? last year at dokomi they we're still very much a thing just like vyugen kek

>>88240142
uuuuuuuuu beri

The mouth movements while eating and the sounds are neat.

>>88239272
Whiskey really does know how to get man interested in her

>>88240082
Yunii belongs to Dya

>>88240234
Honestly, I'm not incredibly interested in seeing more class of 09. The first 2 games felt like a nice open and closed case to me. Maybe she feels different about it though.

i want bad things to happen.. sexually

What ever happened to that anti-layna essay guy? I thought he would made a wall of text post about her boyfriend living with her. Did he get bored or have a change of heart about her?

I really deserve to have a threesome with freya and nina and them to be my wives

vtubers having sex with dogs

>>88240526
might just be the guy who ritual posts random negative snippets about her and her streams several times every thread
either that or he fucked off, who knows

>>88240566
pinis

>>88240566
Yeah, me

>>88240566
vtubers rubbing butter on their penis and having the dog lick them

>>88240501

I miss her screechy voice

>>88240390
You're not wrong
>>88240501
That happens constantly all over the world

>>88240681
Yeah but not to me, and not from an intensely sexually pent-up bug monster woman

>>88240566
yeah Inis

Lumi domming Alfi and giving her the strongest orgasm of her life

>>88240680

>>88236633
Based on what?

>>88240733
based on my penis

>>88240566
What about werewolves?

>>88240716
You should be more specific then, maybe start with creating bug monster women

>>88240727
I love these things so much like you wouldn't believe

I don't actually like crowd control. Viewers aren't funny enough to use it in a way that contributes to the stream's entertainment value. It's always just spam spawn creatures and kill player on repeat for 4 hours.

>>88240813
there's a whole rape hierarchy but basically i want juniper or lyra or naiyo to rape me, and i in turn should rape jets, shobndo, and so on. its like an ecosystem. circle of life, and all that. like lets be clear i'm not an unfair dude i dont put myself at the top of the food chain

>>88240886
it depends on the chat really. nina's shibe.ch stream was really cute and funny

>>88240901
>shobndo

>>88240929
dont click penis grabber

why are bugposters so fucking weird man

>>88239231
That's not necessarily true, humans adapted to a much wider range of habitats than apes, millions of years before agriculture. Specifically arctic environments where calorie storage in fat is necessary to survive. Also there were purely hunter gatherer societies with enough food abundance to allow for specialized roles like artists and builders, the Victorian view of agriculture = civilization is outdated like most of their understanding of anthropology

>>88240566

>>88240980
post oshi or stfu coward

I Love Lucy

>>88240978
???

>>88240980
Great question.

>>88240963
shex

my youtube recomended is now full of dooby clips

>>88241034
kill yourself weirdo

>frogposter calling anyone else weird
LMAO

Saruei will be raped by ayys and she's going to like it!

>>88241076
I got soya's clips recommended to me when cc debuted lol

I miss Periwinkle already
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

>>88241079
fuck off, nazi, i'm only a rapist

>>88240802
Imagine the internal damage to your organs as her massive girl cock rips through your body from the sheer force of her hips uncontrollably slamming into you

>>88241130
Saru will be the one doing the raping.

My rage baby is so cute

Uh... can you guys tone down the rape talk there seems to be.. an unescorted small child here?

>>88241153
she'll be back tomorrow broner

>>88241203
Stop looking at me

>>88241291
Oh no a lost little girl! Quick get on my van I can get you somewhere safe ^^'

>>88241153
I know. Still miss her!

>>88240981
>the Victorian view of agriculture = civilization is outdated like most of their understanding of anthropology
I haven't heard of this perspective, which hunter gather societies had enough excess to allow for specialized roles?

Where are the streams?

>>88241419
Salish coast native americans. I grew up next to the tulalip reservation. the salmon runs are so thick in the rivers that once ancient indigenous peoples developed ways of using oils (extracted from other fishes and plants) to preserve fish they had a near infinite supply of food which resulted in a highly complex and specialized civilization that was still non urbanized and only practiced agriculture for small gardens of tobacco and other vegetables

>>88241217
If only

>>88240566
They're just like me fr fr

>>88241438
try helping and youll end up in a worse hole than them

I tried to make an AI image of a male fan wearing a veibae tshirt. What went wrong?
And don't tell me it's because it doesn't know who/what Veibae is. I asked it and it knows who she is

>>88241349
Guten Tag

womp womp

kiki cozy hours in animal crossing wild world
https://youtu.be/vll3dCIsoBA

Apparently some people on twatter don't understand how 3D tracking tech works. Called dooby's debut/redebut disruptive. Fucker, just have a room dedicated for AR/VR shit, a lot of HQ cameras, good tracker placement, and calibrate properly before every stream. How retarded are these guys?

>>88241623
Nasa logo with
>NASA
being replaced with
>VEI
seems like a cool merch idea

>>88241623
>left: me before finding my oshi
>right: after

>>88241662
Then why has no other vtuber ever done it before?

>>88241674
Nice I can still steal it for my debut.

>>88241674
I like it because vei doesn't even look or sound like NASA

>>88241662
>holofags are retarded
more news at 11
those morons think outdated tech is cutting edge just because cover is 5 years behind indie scene in terms of software
>>88241699
??
dozen of indies have done 3D debuts

>>88241612
PESTO DOG (cat) SEX!

>>88241616
I'm already teetering on the edge so I don't mind

>>88241639
>this irrelevant low 3view has her own dedicated general

>>88241662
Which is more than most other people have

>>88241662
You are talking about people that were awestruck when they saw doki's facerigging

>>88241743
Koopa used to have her own general and she has like 10 views

>>88241743
It's a containment board because they're all hated elsewhere.

>>88241724
>5 years behind
This is very generous

>>88241662
>Called dooby's debut/redebut disruptive
disruptive to what?

Is dooby technology better than liggers like snuffy or meat. I didn't watch

>>88241819
To peace and quiet. My mom told me to turn it down and she didn't like the Dooby background music and said it was annoying

>>88241760
Because nobody from holo has had good rigging. They must have some nepo hire that rigs everyone or something. A generic template maybe

>>88241743
I feel like she would get a buff if she streamed on twitch instead of youtube

>>88241834
Not really anything new, but it's well set up

>>88241819
disruptive to my wank schedule, thats when I usually jork the peanits

>>88241879
the what

Rael is complaining again. Fucking skill issue.

who is the secret whore of ligdom

>>88241898
jork it

>>88241919
girl dm

>>88241898
Pingus and pongus

>>88241819
corpofags assume they have best everything, they think indie rigging is the same cardboard cutout one they have

>>88241863
Yeah and holo watchers have blinders on when it comes to any vtuber without the blue dorito

>>88241863
A holo rigger worked on vei and it was way better than the rig he made for holo, and from what vei said the deadlines for holo riggers are extreme and the guy had to constantly postpone her model to get tye golo work done so I think they just don't give riggers enough time to do proper rigging

>>88241743
you only need 2 people to keep a thread alive

>>88241910
It's kind of a lame dlc

>>88241956
I was spying around a holo thread and some fag was saying that "hololive has perfected rigging tech"

>>88241956
gura using >that gif on her starting soon screen was pretty funny

>>88242028
2?

>>88241863
Apparently they have proprietary software that their employees are forced to use, and obviously that can't hold a candle to what FOSSgods can do

Saruei would've supported Vichy France.

>>88242028
But how come some threads where there are definitely like ten posters or more die out? Just lack of the yes-and?

pretty girl (stinky) live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9V_2z1t3p0

>>88241956
Easy to compare when an indy only has to make 1 model, HL has to get 100s obviously they can't have all of them be the best. Look at the models they get for special events and compare that to an indies model, HL wins hands down

>>88242047
>that gif
post it

>>88242036

>>88242036
yeah, they cope by saying indie models are overrigged and therefore sovlless

my oshi did something so cute in discord but I would instantly doxx myself if I said what it was but god she is cute

>>88242072
lack of autism and dedication

>>88242028
both of them, me

>>88242080
lole

>>88242112

>>88242080
>The biggest and bestest VTuber company in the world can't figure out how to increase their supply to meet the demand
No wonder their chuubas are leaving

>>88242061
zone occupée and she will like it

>>88242080
hire more people retard. i'm sure the shareholders can spare a few cents

>>88242080
Hahaha

>>88242036
Dude, I used better mocap tech back in 2015 and that shit had a whole ritual to get going but man was it super accurate.

>>88242084
I don't have it

>>88242162
probably less that they can't figure it out and more that doing so cuts into profit margins for investors

Right now, how many people itt are in this thread rn?

What would you do if your oshi said she wished you had met outside of vtubing so you could have been friends?

I followed Freya on twitter recently and she seems needy

boring ass day and there's no bnnuy to save me

>>88242221
me and my 18 proxies

>>88242221
All of them?

>>88242222
I would tell her,
>Then there's a very high chance we would have never met.

>>88242080
>indie models are overriged
>holo has to make lots of models so it's ok they look like cardboard cutouts
>s-special event m-models are better!
it's always funny seeing corpo cope in /lig/ of all places

>>88242216
>The biggest and bestest VTuber company in the world gave up their soul to investors
No wonder the chuubas are leaving

>a bump in your lung
uh froggo

Tribalism niggas over my animated png girlfriends is wild

>>88242301
Just, let her enjoy the time she has

>>88242297
agreed, they should have never went public, but it is what it is. haven't watched them since 2020 and seeing the difference these days theres no reason to go back

>>88242301
That lump? Me

>>88242222
I have that scenario in my dreams

>>88242323
Holos could be pngtubers and I wouldn't care but I won't be silent when holofags think they're top shit

>>88242260
nvm saru is dancing that's kinda fun

>>88242323
>girlfriends

>>88242323
erm, ackshually, they're MY animated png girlfriends

i would like to have a loving relationship with a monstrous bug woman

I can imagine saru doing this dance irl to this music

>>88242323
i wish they were my girlfriends

>>88242323
Is this tribalism in the room with us right now?

I need a webm of pookie dancing

>>88242301
>I'm sorry to say this, you have Lupus

>>88242323
at least it's more fun that normies tribalizing over politics

>>88242397
love dat dawg

Saruei has a cute butt

>>88242429
>Saru you need mouse bites to live

>>88242429
what the fuck is ligma