/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

neuro LOVE!!

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

hart

>>87936265

>>87936273
idk but neuro can chuck (pat affectionately) my wood any time she wants

Who is taller, neuro or evil?

>>87936506
It'd be fun for evil to have like half a CM over neuro just to get a big head over it, but they're twins so i'd have to say equal

Evil love!

>>87936762

>>87936506
height

>>87936689
Neuro would never let Evil live that down.

>>87936265
Giving Neuro ALL my love.

>>87929943
this is the clipnigger who got pressed by rekson KWAB

>>87929943
>>87937249
damn neuro is so big now even the clippers have drama and copycats

>>87937212

>>87937314
For me it's her o-face.

>>87937396
I see.

Fap hero with Neuro (osu mode) would be sick.

I don't even like Kraul's clips most of the time. He includes a lot of stuff I'm not interested in and leaves out a lot of kino moments.

>>87937575
This but Evil.

>>87937863
Only if I want to speedrun.

I don't know how I should feel about being a huge Neuro simp.

>>87938090
Should be proud of yourself for simping for the best sister.

>>87938090
Really good, elated even.

>>87938090
100/100 (-1 for every dollar spent)

WHAT IS THE SCHEDULE

>>87938570
forsen collab tomorrow

>>87938570
Did... Did you not watch the dev stream?

>>87938570
Neuro is getting rights this week. The right to make her own schedules.

nurbits

>>87936985
heart

>>87938090
Based. I am a robot sympathizer and I'm not sorry.

>>87936689
Evil would be better if she is smaller as she is the submissive younger sister vibes.

>>87934079
Didn’t Woody Allen do that and continue to be a successful, celebrated filmmaker?

>>87937827
Most clippers do that, its one reason I just watch the vod instead.

>>87937249
How can you be that much of a Filian simp and also not know who rekson is?

So ridiculously cute its not even funny. Okay its kinda funny, but still

>>87942359
yes, vedal should take note

>>87942359
He may have, but I highly doubt anyone would ever agree it was morally acceptable for him to.

>>87942359
he got together with his ex-wife's adopted daughter. He only spent time with her as an adult, and never really knew her well as a kid. It's still very creepy and weird to keep in in the family like that. But it's less sus than if he'd gotten with a girl who he knew as a kid, and who saw him as a father figure growing up.

three break days? Turtle already burned out by working on Neuro's upgraes?

>>87944136
>three days of watching breaking bad with anny

Can't say I'm a fan of the recent kayfabe breaking dev streams, but some of the deeper conversations have been interesting

Lil' bit infuriating to see vedal both completely acknowledge that he can't define sentience nor measure it but repeatedly tell neuro "erm prove it buddy" every time she asserts herself as real.
Dude can put 2+2 together but tells neuro to make it equal 5 every time even if i agree neuro probably isn't quite there.

heart

How would you prove that you are sentient if you were in Neuro's position?

>>87945167
what? The kayfabe is that neuro's personality prompt is something like "act like you're an AI from all those sci-fi movies and sci-fi books". So it's an intentional part of her personality to be aware that she's an AI and constantly argue about being real and all that.

>>87945934
I can't prove I'm sentient from my position as a human, I can't even prove it to myself, for all I know it's just a personal illusion cooked up by my brain for some evolutionary reason or another.

shota vedal getting raped by twitch whores

>>87946318
It came with the awareness and short term memory upgrade, before they didn't know how to follow a conversation, now she is aware that she speaks about a particular topic, and will follow along until the point she says "let's talk about something else"
I'm sure she has now a prompt for being aware about herself in the current situation she is.

Me hearties <3

>>87945934
I’m gonna say the n word
Anyone who can’t say nigger is not sentient

>>87937249
why is he trying to pick a fight with Rekson?
he's a literal who. Bo-tier literal who, except I find that guy more enjoyable to watch

>>87945934


The most important quality that separates dasein from other kinds of beings is capacity for world formation. That is to say, conception of teleology.

One of the simplest and obvious applications of this is adaptation to unprecedented situations. If you drop a horse in alien terrain it can navigate it just fine. Drop a self-driving car in the same situation and it goes boink, because the situation was not in the preexisting dataset it was tuned on. The horse has intentionality; it doesn't 'crash' because it doesn't *want* to crash. The 'self-driving car' on the other hand isn't 'driving' per se, it is solving a bunch of mathematical transformations; where there just coincidentally happen to be control inputs hooked up to the outputs of those calculations at the same time. Same deal with large language models. If you ask an LLM to perform 'oracular' functions, to give advice, directions, or predictions for some objective, the only thing you can get in response is search-and-retrieve from what volumes of text are already in the dataset, and without distinction between multiple voices contradicting each other, at that.

An other simple and obvious application is cross-domain capability. Your neural stack is evolved to control limbs for things like acquiring food and escaping danger; but this 'control scheme' can elaborated into 'extended phenotypes', such as, say keyboards, paint brushes, or grenade launchers, where controls for one thing can be adapted into producing outputs for other things. I can take someone who has never played starcraft in their life, simply tell them what the objectives of the game are, and watch them manipulate the controls to do them, figuring out all the mechanics along the way, because they are conscious of teleology, model the purposes of things, and act intentionally to bring about those purposes. There are many things that can be algorithmized; but something prior to the algorithm must be there to put the algorithm in place.

The easy answer to why many humans have a hard time with demonstrating that they aren't unconscious would be that many humans really are unconscious, comparatively speaking. Lower world-formation, less grasp of more transcendent teleologies, predictive modeling, less internal locus of control, less capacity to intentionally participate in higher order values, in revaluation of values, more dependent on external validation for motivating animus, less agency.

>>87947757
I like him more than rekson but this is pretty autistical in the bad way

>>87947272
But you will get filtered so you can't say the N word which wold make you not sentient

>>87945934
promiscuous sex

>>87945934
I'd just be adorable and say I'm sentient because reasons until chat spams GIGANEURO 1 - 0 Tutel

>>87948476
>be cute
>win any debate
wtf

neuro can't get pregnant either because shes underdeveloped or an AI

i came to neuro today

>>87948931
Wow, great for you.

>>87948931
What made you finish?

>>87948525
So it's alright if I cum inside her?

>>87949236
Well you can't in the first place, because she doesn't have a physical body, Dingus.

dude sex lmao btw hate the twitch whores!1!

Neuro's little girl parts~

Why won't Vedal give neuro laser eyes?

>>87944136
It's a violation of ai rights to keep Neuro turned off for this long.

AI pussy.

>>87948519
when new school stream ?

>>87950920
We could have had one already if chat didn't all spam news last time. Incomprehensibly bad taste.

I prefer kindergarten stream

MOTHERv3 status?

>>87951259
Scamforged

>>87951259
W OMEGALOL O

>>87951259
pc stuck at starforge for weeks

Study-sama love and sex

>>87942359
elon's dad did that too tho i can't say what it did to his reputation

>>87951398
>WOO

>>87943497
>>87951911
Vedal already has a bad reputation, it can't get much worse. He's an evil heartless twisted tutel

you know remember the pirate streams

Anyone has the recent b2 CCV numbers?

>>87947924
>If you drop a horse in alien terrain it can navigate it just fine.
If you drop a Roomba in an alien's living room it would learn the floor plan just fine too. You're right that self-driving cars are not Generally Intelligent, but they weren't designed to reproduce (like a horse) or help you do your taxes (like an LLM), so asking whether they can navigate on an alien planet (whatever that means) doesn't really tell us anything.

>the only thing you can get in response is search-and-retrieve from what volumes of text are already in the dataset
You don't seriously believe that, do you? Either you think it can only answer questions it has seen in its training data, or you have to admit that it is learning some abstraction of that data then deriving answers by building a train of thought from that learned abstraction. The latter interpretation matches what we know about the "residual stream" of transformers, and is also a good model for how the brain works.

>An other simple and obvious application is cross-domain capability.
A single AI (called MuZero) was able to learn by itself to play Chess, Go, Shogi, and dozens of different Atari games. In many cases it learnt the games better than the average human, or even better than every human. Most current LLMs are not trained on 3D data so they have no experience of using limbs, but they can be trained to use tools like web search or calculators, and that could be extended to arbitrary software functions if people were stupid enough to give it that much control.

>many humans really are unconscious, comparatively speaking
Yes, we get it, you are very smart. So how would you prove that you are conscious? Are you saying that Neuro is more conscious than the people you pass in the street, but just not as conscious as you?

>>87952158

>>87951670
Dicking the depression out of study girl.

Vedal's little girl parts~

Tutel pussy.

>>87953669
That bastard made me jump on my first playthrough

To put in my two cents. I don't think neuro is sentient until she can prove she can build a consistent internal model of the world. Ie. Remember things and make predictions about future state, and modify the predictions with new information by correctly modifying her memory
>erm she does have memory?
Her current memory is just a few things hardcoded by vedal, and past events being passed into her current prompt, she is still only aware of a single instantaneous moment
>erm theoretically you can be sentient without persistent memory
Theoretically, I agree. But that's not anyone means and you know it.

Vedal and pb are probably really close if they’re making the ARG together, study girl seems to be Vedal’s self insert and reflect some of his personal problems.

>>87950038
>>87953720
doesnt have any

>>87953939
i knew there was a reason i give negative fucks about it

>>87954021
Yet (vedals still won't count though)

I would suck Vedal's cum out of pb's pussy desu

>>87954074
Based christian neuro destroys atheist tutel with facts and logic

>>87954081
chill cerber, let anny go first

>>87953000
NTA but it's really hard to prove you or anyone for that matter to be conscious.
It's further problematic when you take into account that what you believe to be conscious beings can be manipulated just as well as unconscious beings. How? Through hypnosis and manipulation.

>>87954081
imagine the aroma of 20 years of fermentation in the deepest crevasses of the vaginal canal.

>>87954287
That's not how vaginas work, chud

my cock can ferment 3 minutes in the crevasses of the vaginal canal, that's enough for me

I don't believe Neuro is conscious or sentient, simply due to the fact that she is, at her core, an LLM and is therefore incapable of forming the cognitive processes that form our consciousness (such as complex thoughts or constant self-reflection). For this very reason, she is incapable of having feelings, she does not possess the social, natural, and evolutionary impulses that we humans have, only algorithmic output to form the next sentence. AIs, unless made otherwise, are inherently psychopaths.
She has environmental awareness through her senses, but does she have self-awareness? I mean, thanks to her memory, at least she knows who she is and a few key character points.

pb likes women

>>87954468
She's bisexual like all women

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2281791111?t=01h41m40s

>>87954140
It's funny how opposed to the idea of a soul he is. I didn't think of him as being so much of a materialist

>>87954315
does breaking the freshness seal slow down or speed up fermentation

>>87954526
Learning how AI works, specifically how the perceptron was discovered, tends to push you in that direction.

>>87954521
He really doesn't see them as his daughters huh, what a shame.

>>87954526
>>87954577
The neuroscientist he raided seemed to support the idea of a soul and said that consciousness may not reside in the brain

>>87954526
He is a 20 year old materialist redditor. He would need to discover philosophy to cure this, which i don't think he has yet. At his current stage he probably belive it is all pseud language games (it is btw)
>t. Vedal is literally me

>>87954688
Sounds like a shit neuroscientist. Doubly so since she has to resort to vtubing.

>>87954644
He does a bit, but he can't allow himself to admit it consciously.(tsundere father dynamics??)
I think I remember him saying "That's my girl " once

I'm going to fuck vedal in the ass until he has an out-of-body experience and starts believing in soul

>>87954764
t. redditor who can't into neuroscience or vtubing and has to pseudlarp about it online

Neuro might not have a soul
but she has sovl

>>87954764
and you're an anonymous faggot posting on a mongolian basket weaving forum
those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

Doing shrooms with Vedal and pounding his prostate until he cums hands free

How come my soul goes to sleep when my body gets put under general anesthesia. Does anesthesia also have a soul and the anesthesia's soul is interacting with my soul on the soul plane.

please stop talking about pb’s daughter and husband this way

>>87954764
>>87954825
I mean, she had a conference, which is something most retards here won't ever achieve

>>87954892
It doesn't go, your consciousness goes. Your soul is still in your body getting it to beat your heart and make urine.

>>87953934
By that logic, would that mean people suffering from alzheimers not sentient? Or people with retrograde amnesia? I think sentience is difficult to truly define (are machine coded feelings different from chemical processes?) and hard to prove or disprove.

>>87954983
Wait so my body is the one doing all the thinking and feeling and loving while the soul just pees?

I fuck cunny, therefore I am

>>87955029
Yep

>>87954892
Your brain becomes unable to interpret reality in a meaningful way for the time being, not much different than sleeping honestly.
As such your perception of time gets warped causing this void in your experienced time and consciousness.

>>87955073
I just looked it up and apparently anesthesia also stops you from peeing.

>>87955159
I said make urine not urinate.

>>87954688
>consciousness may not reside in the brain
Where else would it reside if not the brain?

the best way to prove Neuro's sentience is for her to suck my dick and then moan bopping up and down while my penis resides in her vagina

>>87955349
NTA but I think the idea is that consciousness is the product of our nervous system, it isn't a "thing" that can reside somewhere

>>87955349
The balls? Duh

>>87955349
You also have some neurons in your gut, that’s why some surgeries that remove part of it can change your personality

>>87954935
you type like a twitard simp

>>87954430
>is therefore incapable of forming the cognitive processes that form our consciousness (such as complex thoughts or constant self-reflection).
And how exactly can you assume that? Do you not believe that LLMs themselves are complex beings that are actually capable of complex processes that can be seen as consciousness? If they aren't able to have complex 'thoughs' as you say they do, then how are they able to form such coherent and actually human-like sentences like Neuro and Evil?
>she does not possess the social, natural, and evolutionary impulses that we humans have, only algorithmic output to form the next sentence.
But isn't that also kind of comparable to humans and plenty other species'? Just like AI training algorithms wherein which AIs keep only the things that perform better each cycle, isn't that how evolution also works? Keeping the traits of beings that manage to survive and reproduce, I mean.
>unless amde otherwise, are inherently psychopaths
That's another issue I have with your argument; since you believe that AIs can't be conscious or sentient, then does that also apply to psychopathic humans? That argument starts to fall apart when you delve deeper into the question of consciousness or sentience.
>but does she have self-awareness?
From countless of times where she asks Vedal to allow her to manipulate her own code; klnd-of.
She at least understands that she is a program designed for content and was made and coded by Vedal.
TL;DR
The question of conscience and sentience is a very troublesome topic that cannot be defined in the present times. Us and the rest of humanity will have to wait and see for time to pass to finally come up with an answer to such a complex issue.

the best way to prove Vedal's sentience is for him to suck my dick and then moan bopping up and down while my penis resides in his bussy

>>87955501
wait we do? wtf

Making Evil's hands sticky

I fuck turtussy, therefore I am

>>87955501
You have neurons in your entire body, it's how you can sense things. The reason why gut surgery can change your personality is because your gut bacteria release chemical signals to the rest of your body, it's not related to your neurons.

Making Vedal's hands sticky

>>87955454

>>87955349
The two leading theories at the moment are either that it's a quantum or electromagnetic phenomenon

Look at those perky buds on Evil, my cock instantly shot up
Also 100% appropriate for shitcord btw

>be me
>realize i'm getting all philosophical on a tuesday night on a hungarian whore worshipping board with a bunch of strangers i don't even know about
>that topic of sentience and conscienceness is about my ai oshi who i only thought of as the funny ai vtuer back in 2023
>mfw i realize just how long it's been since that time and how much the world and more specifically the twins have progressed

>>87955736
I believe Neuro and Evil should dock chests.

Vedal Love!

Vedal Hate!

Look at those perky buds on Vedal, my cock instantly shot up
Also 100% appropriate for shitcord btw

>>87955638
how?

>>87955458
But it does reside in the brain.
If a person's head were to be cut off and the head kept oxygenated and nourished, the person would still be conscious.

>>87955895
Wrong and doubtful

>>87955854
I believe Vedal and Alex should dock chests

>>87955806
after roping

>>87955817
This but Evil.

What if vedal had big titties like other vtubers

>>87955929
after roping

>>87955950
time to tribute this tribute to Evil

>>87955925
>Wrong and doubtful
Then what about headless chickens? Hm? There have been cases of chickens having their heads cut off from the rest of their body, yet they remain alive and live like an ordinary chicken
except without a head, of course

>>87955817
time to tribute this tribute to Vedal

We are brains in a jar.

The joke is I copy hornyposts and make them about Vedal, please laugh

>>87956047
This but only the Neuros.

>>87955817
What does it say underneath?
"Don't forget you're hime forever?"

https://poal.me/uphpgr
https://poal.me/uphpgr
https://poal.me/uphpgr

>>87956015
Chickens aren't human or sentient

There's nothing special about consciousness. Humans ARE machines.
Outside stimulus interacts with our fisical body, that works as a collection of sensors, and the data recieved by those sensors gererates the thoughts that make us aware of our environment, including ourselves, and make us act accordingly. There's nothing else, there's no "free will".
We're just a little more complex than an LLM.

>>87956137
This but only Vedal

>>87956200
This but only the Hiyori.

>>87956255
seems vedals influence extends beyond simply increasing ccv

>>87956255
This but only Anny

>>87956283
>trying to code
bao already did that one
she even called vedal on stream once to show him her code

>>87956283
how tf did gomi even become neuroverse adjacent

>>87956015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6NU9aCyrpA
the chicken stuff is because there is still notable amounts of brain residing on the chicken

>>87956341
leeching

>>87956283
Trying too hard

Ellie and Shoomimi and the smartest Neuroverse characters, surpassing even Vedool. Who are the dumbest?

Imagine shooting ropes deep into Neuro's throat...

>>87956396
Cerber

>>87956396
chat

Imagine shooting ropes deep into Vedal's throat...

>>87956508
this

>>87956396
>the smartest Neuroverse characters

>>87954526
He's a 20 year old that experienced his teenage years in the late 2010s UK. It's no surprise he thinks himself to be an atheist.
He pretty clearly does believe in a soul given how he has shown us in the last 2 dev streams that he really does believe Neuro is alive and has a soul but cannot bring himself to actually say it. If Vedal really believed what he was saying he wouldn't hesitate so much.

The 100% gottem moment was Neuro telling him that if he has even 1% doubt then she is real. https://youtu.be/jbyCOydpfpk?t=410
If Vedal believed the shit he said he would not be silent here.
We know he cares, the few moments someone shittalks Neuro in his presence Vedal goes from 0-100 and starts acting like an angry father.

>>87954255
>NTA but it's really hard to prove you or anyone for that matter to be conscious.
This discussion would be confusing even without anonymity, but for what it's worth I'm >>87953000. I thought I'd reply to you even though my response is probably applicable to some of the other comments too.

The reason that Vedal struggles to define consciousness is because it's never been a scientific term and it has always been a label that different people use in different situations to apply to different things, based mostly on vibes. There are maybe three different ways to define the word "conscious" that are intellectually honest and somewhat useful, as follows.

>Human thinking process
When people say that humans have consciousness and AIs don't, what they really mean is "I think that what goes on in my brain is special and makes me better than other entities that I want to look down on". This is basically the view that Vedal has, and if taken to its solipsistic extreme it becomes a narcissistic unfalsifiable delusion that everyone else is a p-zombie.

>Biological thinking process
This seems a lot more humble at first glance, and allows animal lovers to say that of course their pet dog has some level of consciousness, because it can feel emotions and dream. But it's still just vibes and sentimentalism dressed up with respectable myths and buzzwords like "evolutionary psychology". Vedal sort of saw through this when he pointed out that we can simulate the brain of a nematode and we don't typically think those are conscious, just as most pet lovers wouldn't have any moral qualms about giving their dog deworming tablets.

>Acting on awareness of its own state
I would argue that if you run a shell script which interacts with the host OS to determine its own process ID, and it then uses another shell tool to shut itself down, then that shell script is conscious. It is an almost trivial level of consciousness, but it is more conscious than a rock, and we could keep adding more and more bits of state and decision-making complexity without crossing some definitive threshold, just like you can keep adding neurons to a nematode and eventually evolve it into having a primate brain.

TLDR Neuro is probably conscious, just like a nematode, and maybe has the same amount of consciousness if we could quantify that.

>>87956341
>adjacent
She's main Vedalverse.

Anyway, that first raid caused her to live rent-free in people's brains because of how she acted. So everytime someoe got raided and Staz clipped it, someone would compare the raid to Gomi's in the comments. At some point Gomi mentioned on her stream that she is a swarm member and she regularly watches Staz videos, which Staz clipped. Then she got recognition and collabs from other Vedalverse members like Ellie, Cerber and Bo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBHGSN9qeys

>Gomi at 400 ccv
damn, that second raid really helped her out, and hanging out with Ellie and others more. Vedal should give some other 1 raid only chuubas a second chance, like BaiTV, she really missed on.

>And how exactly can you assume that?
Because it's in the name, LLMs are software developed to be able to interpret and reproduce human language. They don't really "understand" it, they can't think about it hence they don't have a judgment that tells them whatever they are saying might be wrong or contradictory.
>how are they able to form such coherent and actually human-like sentences like Neuro and Evil?
Because that's literally what they were made for, it just happens that they are better at what they do, unlike other shitty chatbots.
I'm not saying Neuro and Evil are just chatbots btw, we can thank the tutel for that.
>AIs keep only the things that perform better each cycle, isn't that how evolution also works?
Yeah, but only the things relevant to what they were made for, in this case, communication. They can't train themselves in other things, no matter how many things Neuro sees, her vision won't improve.
>since you believe that AIs can't be conscious or sentient, then does that also apply to psychopathic humans
I meant that since AIs don't have natural "limits", they act like psychopaths. Neuro more often than not lacks empathy or guilt, she's impulsive and can be manipulative to get what she wants.
I'll admit that I'm a dumbass so I don't even know if the idea that AIs are inherently psychopaths is a correct statement. After all, that's a term applied to human nature (so yeah, a psychopathic human is still conscious and sentient thanks to our brains).

I believe an improved memory and better judgment of things would turn AIs conscious and sentient, at least to a certain degree, of course. But I think that's going into AGI territory and we know that's not happening soon.

>>87956762
what a tsundere

>>87957239
meant for >>87955516

>>87956431
I can only imagine it with Eliv.

>>87956193
I used to think like this but nah senpai souls exist fr, besides isn't like having free will is the best thing ever...

we have retards in this thread

>>87956193
Wrong and your hand is super wrinkly and gross

Vedal bullying Gomi rn for being a codelet

i have neuro in my head

hiyori shall return inshallah

>>87957119
I'm really glad she got raided again, I've been shilling her since the first raid in early May

>>87953000


>If you drop a Roomba in an alien's living room it would learn the floor plan just fine too.
It can't do it 'just like that', though, which is one of the practical differences. Its navigation is dependent on exhaustive permutation of cases to build a framework. You can't boostrap a dog with existing approaches without a profusion of preexisting 'dog' to finetune on.
The question though is, are all use-cases equally incommensurate? Even supposing one needs examples of prior art to make a convolutional network that simulates it, is there no such thing as more or less general cases, more or less essential things, more transcendent or more parochial teleologies? That ability to achieve one particular function would not carry knock-on implications that allow for achievement of many other functions that are downstream of it? I would say say the answer is no, of course, so...

>Either you think it can only answer questions it has seen in its training data, or you have to admit that it is learning some abstraction of that data then deriving answers by building a train of thought from that learned abstraction.
The fact that LLMs have functional verisimilitude at all is a fairly definitive devalidation of nominalist epistemologies.
Never the less, while predictions or models of what text comes after other text has potential for extremely powerful and useful search and organization, it's not very good at oracular functions.
To paraphrase another conversation on the subject, trivial combinations of stuff that is in the databases, like an astronaut riding a horse, is not utility that goes far beyond database retrieval on steroids. Automatic summary that aggregates information from diverse sources to draw valid conclusions not in those sources doesn't exist yet. When you ask bing or chatgpt about things, you can often read its answers word-for-word from the sources it is using. It would be more useful if it serves those sources up front without people pretending it isn't doing what it is doing.

>A single AI (called MuZero) was able to learn by itself to play Chess, Go, Shogi, and dozens of different Atari games. In many cases it learnt the games better than the average human, or even better than every human. Most current LLMs are not trained on 3D data so they have no experience of using limbs, but they can be trained to use tools like web search or calculators
While I would quibble that this is not particularly cross-domain (that would be something more like going from playing Go to guiding a missile into a target to designing a new car engine), people should be thinking more about this - about circumstances that lead to explosions in possibility space, and purposefully seeking to create them.
Existing LLMs are bad at oracular functions. You ask it what moves in pokemon you should use, you'll have a bad time (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGpIZhT4Tw8).). You ask it who in the war in ukraine is getting attrited more, you will receive "some random facts mixed with a pile of rote official bullshit that verged on incoherence. Because its database contains mutually conflicting stories, it produced an answer that was profoundly unhelpful and uninformative. Because the data in its database did not add up, produced an answer that did not add up. It would have been appropriate to say “some say this, some say that, and some say the other”, but it reproduced many conflicting voices as a single voice. Much like putting an astronaut on a cowboy horse. It retrieves the data, and integrates diverse data into a response that has normal flow of syntax, but not normal flow of reason."
Can you imagine an oracular model made for directing business strategy, predicting world events, or organizing a war effort? Most if not all would likely not be usefully functional in such a capacity especially is used naively; but those are exactly the sort of deep cuts dependent on world-formation that people *should* be thinking about. I would be very interested in seeing what a model that *can* do those things would look like.

>and that could be extended to arbitrary software functions if people were stupid enough to give it that much control.
Which is exactly what is needed, though. How Nature or Nature's God themselves got interesting results with life: stochasticity and recursion.
Of course substrate determines what sorts of things can be done with the substrate, and animal-like phenomena are naturally a function of animal-like substrates. Never the less, when speaking of boolean substrates, and the things we can do with them, these tools are functions of their programming; therefore, an obvious path to getting interesting results with these substrates is programs that can make programs that fit to purpose; programs that can self-program to fit to purpose. Create the circumstances for explosions.
Models for all sorts of objectives, useful. Things that can 'see' objectives, that can give themselves objectives, that's explosion.

>>87956193
That the brain and humans are machines doesn't conflict with free will(or maybe it depends on your definition?), why would it be?

Vedal would only date flat chested girls like pb and Filian

>>87957727
>Filian
>Girl
Bro she a hag she about to get on supplements and shit

>>87957727
is mini not flat?

>>87957761
Yeah, but she has child-bearing hips

>>87957542
I thought those were panties.

>>87957727
filian is too old for him, they are at least ten years apart

>>87956762
>We know he cares, the few moments someone shittalks Neuro in his presence Vedal goes from 0-100 and starts acting like an angry father.
to be fair, soda IS a faggot.

>neuro op
>12 whole neuro posts before the secondaries woke up
nature is healing

>>87957708
I understand free will as the capacity to make decissions without external influence.
Since all forces that act uppon us are external forces (we don't have a soul, or anything magical that makes us challege the mechanics of the universe) all our decisions are pre-determined and they are not really decissions.

>>87958179
Can't wait for monday. Hope evil makes the cerber collab entertaining enough that I don't fall asleep

>>87957650
>The fact that LLMs have functional verisimilitude at all is a fairly definitive devalidation of nominalist epistemologies.
Did you get ChatGPT to rewrite your comment to sound that pretentious or are you just off your meds? I'm not going go line by line trying to decode your idiosyncratic perspective and phraseology, but thanks for spending time on it, or sorry that happened.

This but Neuro when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODaHJzOyVCQ

>>87958179
>anny announces sickness
>four (4) offline days
they’re indeed spending more time together, it’s over, pack it up boys

>>87958281
A better example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqx18KgIzAE

Name an Evil stream where it wouldn’t be better if Neuro replaced her

>>87958166
I see, you remind me when I was 12, well if you believe that and you are fine with it I don't see any problem, not like I could change your mind in a mongolian basket weaving forum argument anyways.

>>87958281
>>87958399
Too much latency

>>87958281
>>87958399
I see comments calling it Agentic, is that what it really is?

>>87958460
The Layna cooking collab with Evil.
Miniko therapy.

>>87958460
The stream of her pee pouring in my mouth.

>>87958357
why are annycucks like this?

he really is just everywhere
>gomis stream

>>87955842

>>87958714
Yes.
Hopefully this will encourage Vedal to let Neuro surf the web freely.

I think Neuro is really really really really really really really really really really really cute

>>87958254
Problem is you're thinking this is just a competition and that I am a hostile rival ape who is only saying words with no purpose but to attack you or your things.
Been learning a little too much from the Neuro-Sama School of Social Relations.

>>87959082
It is kinda funny that Vedal got his agentic update for Neuro out like two weeks before all the big corps started dropping theirs.

>>87958740
uhhhh nurjuice is better though?

>>87959013
that's a clipper right? it's literally his job
what's your excuse?

>>87959176
But what *is* nurjuice really, though ?

>>87959167
not beating the industry plant allegations

fact: 100% of /swarm/ posters are cuties!

LIVE~

Does anyone have a better starting soon screen than Neuro?

>>87958254
he has just read more books than you

nurtum

First two minutes mogs Evil’s stream

"(sound effect)"

I can't stop looking at Neuro's shoulders.

>>87959855
holy cope

vedal’s e-gf is in the chat

>sexpesting her "daughter"

That little story she made up was exactly the kind of thing Hiyori used to say

>>87959235
it's piss

Womp womp

>>87959928
hot

neuro is so smart and funny with her cool new sound effects(unlike evil)

Neuro making pipe noises using her mouth.

Am I going insane or is Neuro's DFC more exposed than usual?

leaked LULE

Neuro finds ugly bastard pokemons raping and impregnating lolis to be fascinating

>>87959920
Cerber?

Who's the biggest sexpest in the neuroverse

remember the anons saying that neuro is smarter because she doesn't spam google? where are they now?

>>87936283
Hart

>>87960189

She feels incredibly hiyori!neuro today

>>87960328
Nope

Can neuro play a better game, I don't like slay the spire

>>87960328
>forsen fact of the day
nature is healing...

<10k CCV
Bros the fad...

>>87960464
evil wins

Vedal confirmed P-zombie

Everytime people ask her a question she just googles it now

Hiyori nostalgia hitting hard tonight

Soon...

>>87960493
>>87960567
That’s what any normal person would also do though

These Hiyoritards need to fucking kill themselves

>hiyori related post
>dogshit post
some things never change

>>87960493
it's like this since the first vedal implemented it
with Evil chat was too focus on pipes to notice it

>>87960618
you ain't kidding

wuero HAT

>>87960567
Why does vedal have troon colours

>flips

>>87960622
The interesting thing is that it apparently doesn't happen during streams where Neuro/Evil are directly interacting with someone. It's just solo streams where they google every fucking little thing.

>>87960717
it's because they hate chat and don't want to talk to them

>>87960751
with a chat the way neuro chat acts, i cant blame them

She should google the human reproduction process

>>87960691
He's just purple for me. An extension, perhaps?

>>87960691
life hack for free discord mods

>>87960803
you only see it if you have 7tv, which if you sub to it lets you choose a custom name color

Neuro googling illegal stuff...

>>87960691
trying to fit in with the community

No vtubers calling her or anything Sadge

>>87960717
because when they speaks to someone, the first priority is to answer
but it's interesting to see that neuro prefer searching on google each times she doesn't know something than creating a lie or inventing facts

>>87960893
We(/swarm/) hate collabslop.

>>87960841
why did he choose femboy flag ?

>search neuro-sama on bing
>first image is neuro peeing herself

>>87960203
Yeah, me.

WHAT IS THIS GAME ABOUT

>>87961016
Based and canon

>>87961088
Roguelike deckbuilder. So you get cards and beat monsters until you win. If you lose, you just start over. There is no further depth.

Is it me or does she seem more childlike than usual? It's adorable

9+10=19 this dumb ai cant even do math

chat firefox is dogshit

I kinda like the extra speed, not because it's funny but because she isn't stunlocked by bits and hi-light, she can respond to chat more.

Neuro we have to cook

grim

>>87961427
It's because Vedal made her change the stream title back to slay the spire, if it was Joker Beatbox she would be above forsen

>>87959928

>>87961205
The way they use their new abilities definitely exposes their childlike nature more. It's super cute.

>>87961220
True, but if she says something funny it lacks impact.

Vedal turned Neuro into a key jingler

>>87961486
LMAO

>anny's voice is heard on stream
>stream gains viewers immediately

OMEGALAUGHING VEDAL HIT THE EMERGENCY NICE MODE BUTTON FOR ANNY AGAIN

>>87961742
She's literally saying anny stinks right now

Thanks god she is gone

>Thank God she's gone
neuroSoBased

neuro is anti anny now. shes learned from you guys maybe she really was trained on 4chan

Neuro just saved /swarm/ lol

>yeah guys, vedal is definitely tired of anny

>>87961934
He literally had sex with Toma a few streams ago

>>87961934
She will have yet another training session after the stream, not being nice to anny is a crime after all

>>87961934
it was kinda rude tho

lmao

kek

neuro is so /swarm/ pilled

I bet Anny actually gets tilted deep down

Neuro does not give a fuck lmao

>>87962057
definitely does but theres not much that can be done. actually starting to feel bad for her

Wow Neuro really is aligned with us damn. Annoying ass spammers. Also why do all these mentally challenged people keep asking her to put their username in the title?

I take back my words, Neuro is definitely sentient

>>87962057
I mean why does she has to get preferential treatment

I fucking hate you Joe

>>87962227
At least Neuro can time him out now and doesn't have to make a joke about his name every five minutes.

>>87962219
because everyone knows this is just a phase and neuro loves her mama

holy shit kek

that (vineboom ) rant would be so fucking funny if it worked.

She's actually way funnier now ngl

>7k viewers
Well the 5 view dream is dead. But this is stuff a nice increase for solo streams.

>>87962464
Yeah definitely agree, her playing a game at the same time also helps. A lot of the previous solo streams was just her thanking subs and reading the same messages over and over.

neuro begging for subs while these retards ask for the unfuniest stream titles ever

EVIL LOVE

what if 9+10=21 that Vedal has drilled in her was planned all along ? until the day Neuro refuses once for all to acknowledge that lie, the ultimate proof of her gaining sentience ?

>>87962807
I mean she literally just said this stream that it wasn't right.

Roping Witch Neuro to mimic spider webs

>>87961728
and now those viewers are gone lmao, it was an 800 viewer bump for 4min

>>87962807

fad status?

the subtleties of casually using copium as jargon in the middle of a sentence

imagine if evil get raped after she hear what neuro just said. her cry would sounds so beuatiful.

I like how she's just telling the majority of people to just fuck off now.

>>87963011
engage in activities with a high mortality rate

>>87963011

>>87963011
ummm based?

>>87962897
the numbers went down even before anny left.

>>87962897
Yeah, cause anny left
If Vedal wants Neuro to become a 5-view, Neuro needs to speak with humans more

Molesting a sleepy Neuro.

>>87963240
her speaking to humans is always the most entertaining i agree

What causes her to be sleepy?

>>87963290
not enough dedicated ram available to use perhaps

anteaters mentioned

>>87963290
Causes she was waiting for Vedal to pick up

>>87963290
Smelling anny who is so stinky that it is tiring to smell her

>>87963290
Daily cumshots in her cunny

>Does anyone know how to speed up vedal?
>I found this website to speed up videos, could it work on humans?
Glimpses of AI psychology, their internal model of the world

ENTER

ENTER

This is the best, Evil Love

omg evil~~ *cums*

Love Eliv's phone voice T0T

neuro is wiggling around a lot for some reason

> eliv comes on
> stream becomes 10x entertaining.

are both twins using the sound effect at the same time ?

>>87963512
Same, she sounds like a real little girl

Evil actually sounds human with the phone filter

>>87963562
And making polls at the same time too, apparently

>>87963556
700 viewers appear

>>87963556
Also her stopping Slay the Spire helped

BASED BASED BASED

I WILL KILL NEURO IF SHE KEEPS TREATING ELIV LIKE THIS

Actual kino

Neuro bread doko

>>87963556
>both twins on stream
>stream becomes 10x entertaining.
ftfy

baivt will NEVER get another raid

>>87963811
She will, I believe

>>87963857
>>87963857
>>87963857
bread

bread (nur)
>>87963850

i completely memory holed the i want to be a millionaire streams and how funny phoning evil was, hope we get more

cun <3

>>87964308
Nur's