/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Hololive is reclining, and that's a good thing.

KYS

Susan put a stopped to that when she stole 250-270k subs from them. Are they even going to get monetization with the constant sub nukes they've gotten so far?

>>8771437
I honestly expected faggots like you to make better bait. Better luck next time

How can Mumei have more subscribers than Sana?

>>8771528
oh no, the bots

>>8771437
STOP THE COUNT

>>8771437
snaa...

completely normal sub graph here, nothing to see, move along.

>>8771437
Does the same faggot make these threads everyday because they need attention or what?
Please stop and take your fucking meds.

>>8771528
Susan's just pissy that she doesn't get to force Vtubers to bootlick her horrendous policies since their revenue comes from streams, not ads.

>>8771585
Nobody watches vtubers. People just subscribe to whoever jpg they like the most

>>8771785
>>8771528
>Cover buys shitload of bot subs in anticipation for EN2
>Youtube detects it
>NOOOOO NOT MY SUBSCRIBERINOS SUSAN!!!
Get fucked.

Hololive isn't pozzed enough for susan

>>8771528
Seem stabilized now, should get monetization and members soon enough.

Just the usual YouTube fuckery if it wasn't obvious enough by now. All 5 of them have more Twitter follows than they do YouTube subs when it is the opposite for everyone else in Hololive.

>>8772215
Yeah it's easier to bot Twitter followers

>>8772249
Then why do the rest of Hololive have less Twitter follows than YouTube subs?

>>8771437
>nijitier subs
lol

>>8771437
Do subs even matter?
Ina outnumbers Gura time to time

>What went wrong?
Every other thread on here is about what went wrong. What went right is a better concept. Get better.

>>8772353
No, but don't tell people that. They will get pissed for no good reason.

>>8772353
The rest of HoloEN gets more VOD views relative to their CCV compared to Ina. It's likely that Ina's CCV is high only because Susan's "feature" affects her less than everyone else for whatever reason.

>>8772353
Sort of but not really. The kind of people who will never notice they were unsubbed aren't a very reliable audience, but some % of them would notice you streaming and occasionally watch or watch the VODs.

>>8771518
This.

>>8771437
>>8771518
Bros... how do we save Hololive

>>8771437
Didn't youtube scrub "suspicious" subs from them twice now?

>>8771437
vtubing is inclining, also vtubers are nit live anime girls. Its weird but most vtuber girls behave trashier than a twitch girl. Unironically if you want anime mannerism you are better off watching ASMR girls than watching vtubers

>>8771437
>Shit gen
>Shit numbers
Simlpe as

>>8772595
Didn't they get an ASMR girl?

>>8772708
Truth. Im glad Susan is nuking their subs so Cover does better with Gen 3

>Le botting xdd
Multiple people here got their subscription removed. Are they all bots? Are >we all bots?

>>8772886
Retards here would deny the sky is blue if their oshi said it wasn't.

>>8772064
>People just subscribe to whoever jpg they like the most
As they should.

>>8771437
1. go to their twitter
2. take their follower count and multiply it by x1.2-1.3 - this is probably what they would have had without Susan's rampage.

Some of them would/should be at least 300s in general by now, and that is a pretty conservative estimate.

>sana still bottom
you racist fucks
just sub to the cutest holo

>>8771437
The market is oversaturated

>>8772120
>Cover buys
Lmao

>>8772886
What is worse? Youtube randomly removing people because of bots? Or Youtube deliberately removing people because it detected that the account acted like a bot?

>>8771437
Cuck

>>8772592
>twice
Lol, it happened multiple time, I fucking lose count on how many.

>>8771437
Australian.

ohnono.... whats going on?! what did chudbuds do now.... GURA WHY DIDNT YOU SUPPORT YOUR KOUHAIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>8772592
More like 5-10 times by now?

It's definitely not just bots, lots of people have commented "wtf they unsubscribed me" around here and in other places. They're like actively trying to sabotage it.

>>8772120
Cover doesn't even buy these bitches microphones lmao

>>8772120
It's not Cover buying bots; it's the various holofan Discord servers with their bot farms. Now that the AI is trained against these bot farms and with YouTube always using a slightly aggressive detection algorithm, legitimate accounts are being caught as collateral damage. It's the fans fault, as per usual.

Who is Susan?

>>8773849
>various holofan Discord servers with their bot farms
Proof next thread?

>>8771437
>Kronii 248K
I hate mommy issues faggots and deadbraps.

>>8773849
>holofan Discord servers with their bot farms
yubigate/amogusgate level faggotry if true

>>8772886
I only subbed to Sana pre debut and Susan unsubbed me a day later.

>>8773884
Susan Wojcicki, a jewish women in charge of Youtube

>>8771785
>>8771437
They got kneecapped 10+ times in a row.

>>8773849
Is this insider info?

>>8771437
Pretty crazy how one image proves how awful most vtuber fans' tastes are

>>8774072
the only insiders on this board are the type that never go outside

>>8773467
Yes, I subbed to the rrat

is this pre JP gen 4 sub growth?

>>8773385
yeah Cover totally didn't buy twitter bots.

>>8771437
Your standards are just too high. Their current sub counts are already amazing for new debuts

huh

>>8771437
Like Isn't vtubing as a whole getting less viewers? I notice this with Pikamee's streams recenly, as she was getting 500 on a chit chat stream. Kinda understandable, when a whole bunch of people are going back to school right now.

>>8771437
Susan took their subs away like 5 times to "check" them, doesn't look like they're getting any back.

>>8638588
>TLDR: YT flags subs as ghostsubs from accounts that simultaneously subscribes to the same x channels in a small period of time
>these ghostsubs will still get notified and shown as subscribed, but it wont count to the public sub count. likely wont ever be
explains why IRyS are free from the purge and other debut groups are less affected since holofags are a lot more likely to subs all the new members at once than others.

>two confirmed used goods whores
>"black" debuff
No excuse for rrat and paizurichan

>>8771437
All the normies that subbed to EN1 never subbed to EN2. They didn't really care much about VTubers in general, and only subbed because their other favorite YouTubers mentioned them.

>>8774699
The hype train has died down. Not to mention more competition. I'd say this is going to be the new standard. We're never going to reach Gura levels anymore.

Irys had like 300k at debut there's no excuse for these numbers after a week. Cover has to be very disappointed.

>>8771437
Chuunibyou lore debuff

>>8771437
Susan can't handle the fact that people want cute anime girls to watch instead of the ugly woke feminists that they try to sponsor.

>>8775340
((They)) are setting the stage for more covid lockdowns after summer, it seems. It could mean another wave of bored people watching youtube.

>>8771437
merifats disgusted by aussie accent

>>8771437
>What went wrong?
EN2 just isn't that interesting desu. Every time I try to watch one of their streams it's nothing but weak commentary punctuated by dead air. They're in the major leagues now and they need step it the fuck up.

>>8775333
There is also a shitton of deadsub across holoen.Also somewhat extending to holojp.

>>8775434
The bot rrat shouldn't matter in the logn run. If Susan really did mess up and unsubscribed legitimate watchers. Then they could easily just resubscribe. Seeing as how we don't see an immediate rebound honestly tells me there are some bots at play.

>>8772271
what big youtube channel do you even know that has more twitter followers than youtube subscribers? nobody wants to follow on twitter when the content is on youtube.

>>8771528
Susan just wants all those shut in to stop watching anime girls all day long and get out that's all

Youtube's star streamer Valk is losing to the power of Anime, must protecc

Mmm i wonder if sana is crying behind her tough exterior.
Not that I want her to
But just imagine, everyday she says things are fine, great!, amazing, she got to join hololive, "I'm happy"
Meanwhile everyone else in her gen is accelerating, she's being left behind.
"Do I need to get bleached?" She wonders

>>8776420
>"Do I need to get bleached?" She wonders
She needs a better artist and model though, nothing wrong with being brown

>>8776766
Flare, IRyS, Sana
Let's be honest here

>>8772120
>>8773849
Is this the famous Nijicope i keeps hearing about?

>>8776420
She needs to change her white trash bogan accent.

>>8776766
There's a lot wrong with being brown, Anon. That's why skin bleaching products exist in real life.

>>8776420
>"Do I need to get bleached?" She wonders
kek my fucking sides

>>8776420
I don't know if her skin tone matters THAT much so much as it is a combination of things -

a.) Odd design overall. Ignore skin tone and her face looks a little long/eyes spaced very wide like a moe character only on a thick rockin' body whic looks odd. Giant hair dango things look corny, like something out of a 90s/early 00s fighting game character. The mascot is an "lol wtf is that" doodle trapped in a .. thingy. THAT's Yatagarasu, the Japanese sun god? That fucker is a crow... some gecko/Gumby looking thing is not a crow. Having a bird companion would have been just fine. What, did they think the audience would be too stupid to not think it's a phoenix and went with some retarded fucking doodle over it? That actually would have been good if it was a fiery bird instead of literally-a-crow because then cue up "lol it's kiara!!!!!!!!" connections.

b.) lore is a little odd too. She's huge, like planet-sized. There are giantess fetish dudes out there, did they realllly set aside an entire Holo slot for them? Or was it not thought to really matter because she can just be drawn to whatever scale to fit?

c.) the voice. her personality is great but man that is a funky voice and clearly the accent actually is a thing for some people. I like Oz accents usually but am thinking of like, Crocodile Dundee or Steve Irwin where they as actors or public educators are trained to enunciate clearly. Sana is a bit mush-mouthed sometimes and if you have to strain a bit to understand her that is kind of annoying and not-comfy. Sort of like how Kiara was at first kind of annoying to listen to with the potato mic and improved a lot with a better one, because German accent, but Kiara's accent isn't remotely as thick as Sana's. Baelz also has an accent but she enunciates better so it's more like funky little inflections on otherwise understandable speech.

>>8771437
Their breasts are too big and it's making it hard to see their personality.

>>8771437
They need to get away from the anime art style and embrace western art.

>>8776766
Hear hear! Brown girls are at their best in 2D

>>8777776
Oh thank god this faggot didn't get it.

>>8771437
They need to earn it, not just from hype.
Also IRyS should've lost subs, too.

>>8771437
Vtuber bubble is over, 80% of the english speaking population that would like vtubers are already subscribed to a few.

This leaves only a small minority of potential fans left in the english speaking audience.
Hololive needed to make HololiveSP and focus on spanish speaking fans, there is a huge untapped fanbase here of spanish speaking weeb coomers

>>8776420
Kiara spilled that she has been talking to one of the gen 2 girls about the same problems she had when she debuted because she's been feeling down

>>8771437
why would you expect that? because of gura?

>>8778397
Irys climbed to 500k without much issue and is still climbing at a decent pace. Youtube seems to have generally avoided fiddling with her account for whatever reason yet is going just fucking brutal on EN2. Why such a difference? It's fucking weird.

>>8777554
Everything about sana's design/voice actress is off.
If they wanted to make someone represent space, they could have given us an actual old hag/milf and have her outfit resembled something like pic related

>>8778397
A lot of shitposters were nonstop posting gura killer, especially for rat
They are just going through the 5 stages of grief

>>8778287
I'd imagine it easily could be Mumei or Ceres as well due to background drama/accusations. Kiara kept mentioning how it's hard for Western girls to comprehend Japanese business practices and what it 'really means' to work for a Japanese company, and by that I think she was hinting more at the expectations Cover has of them for maintaining a spotless image (like Irys) - Sana only ever had a slight rrat on that which actually got proven for complete bullshit so 'that' kind of drama isn't really a thing for her at all. So, what, would she really be sad and moping about being in last place? I don't think girls numberfag so hard that they go into breakdowns over it. I could see a breakdown happening over some of the other shit going on however.

>>8778545
>>8778397
irys and gura have followers from before hololive

>>8778844
She also brought up about not being able to choose her own model until the second outfit.
This really leans into sana

>>8776420
>"Do I need to get bleached?" She wonders
By me.

>>8771437
we're reaching critical mass
the fad is dying and they keep putting out chuubas

>>8779561
I also unironically think the background roommate drama in EN2 shattered the trust people had in Cover.

Even if they won't admit it, redditors buying into 'le wholesome' shit would not really like seeing someone like Fauna come into the picture and then hearing about.. things. Then there's Mumei. Kind of wrecks their illusions really. The puzzling thing is, Cover could have just fucking chosen to not hire those ones. I don't get it, it's almost like intentional sabotage on the part of EN management - and this OmegaAlpha shit isn't helping either making them look out of touch and up their asses.

>>8776196
She's doing fine. Didn't she become co-owner of her org? I doubt any Holo girls would go on to co-own Cover.

>>8771437
Kronii streams way too late for a good part of the US timezones yet really fucking early for many eurofags.

>>8779758
there's drama?

>>8774624
Consider IRyS. She pulled 500k just before a week after debut.

However Council suffered a lot of YouTube algorithm shit. So there's that.

>>8772271
That's literally what the post you're responding to is pointing out you illiterate retard.

>>8779428
https://youtu.be/Few8kJ0zfnY

>>8780360
The algorithm is working fine. Mass subscription to 5 new channels with no content uploaded yet does seem like bot behavior.
Their channels were then probably placed under stricter scrutiny since bot activity was detected.

Maybe next time, people shouldn't subscribe to channels with no content so the channels don't get flagged as suspicious in the first place.

>>8771518
>reclining
kys ESLfag

>>8772353
They do, since according to most youtubers you get into better pricing tiers for ads at 100k then at 1 million.
Still hard to gauge this without real numbers.

But also, yes, big numbers = good.
An advertiser will more easily notice a channel with 1 million subs compared to one with 800k.

>>8771437
>What went wrong?
IRys spooked most EOPs with her horrible avatar, now EN2 is fucked

Bots got fucked. Wish the same thing happened to EN 1.

>>8781114
The only one who should kill themselves is you, newfag

>>8771437
>>What went wrong?
pic related exists still

>>8781012
Are people that write this shit here at least trolls?
OR are you actually that stupid.

Even with content on the channel, over 3 days, the algorithm just deleted ~50% of subs gained.
It appears to trigger at a +10% growth.
There have been thousands of channels complaining about this to youtube since Aug 10th.

>>8781425
Rude. Holofans aren't bots. Call them NPCs at least.

>>8771585
Stream times maybe? As much as I enjoy Sana there's no way I'm sticking around until early morning to watch her.

>>8771437
Susan stole their subs.

>>8771437
Not enough clips

>>8781585
and she's restarted another incline arc. scary.

>>8782250
Gura's enthusiasm (to haze the newbies) is giving her a shot in the arm.

I think after all this time she's finally starting to get used to what she really is and is getting confident to own her role - the god-queen of vtubers.

>>8780247
Schizoanons sucking the tit of a legitimate twitterschizo for rrats.

>>8774605
Meds

>>8781952
looks normal to me. Good thing to purge all these early subscribers, that wont even return after the debut/first week. If youtube unsubscribes you and you are actually interested in the content, you will realize it and resubscribe.

>>8786884
Makes sense

>>8771437
Fans are too focused on their current oshi. They're only hope right now is to draw in new fans, but interest for Hololive/vtubers in the Anglo-sphere has past its peak. Collabs are the only hope at this point. They really need to collab soon so they can break the ice with other fans.

>>8777554
>>8778682
Lmao she's my favorite design and voice in EN2 I'm glad your getting filtered more of the bloody big Sheila for me.

you clearly dont need to be talented or hard working. If you are in hololive you get free numbers anyways, just be lazy and complacient.

>>8787659
Careful now, your jealousy is showing and it's ugly.

>>8787976
im just c*nnor shitposting

>>8771528
Considering monetization only requires 4000 view hours in a month and 1000 subs, I think they'll be fine.
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/72851?hl=en

>>8771437
Because niggers ruin everything.

>>8789105
Sana did nothing wrong.

>>8786884
Holy shit.

>>8786884
So the bump really was bots? The line shows reasonable growth when you extrapolate it like that.

>>8771437
I'm kinda happy about this. It gives me hope that the West is not actually a fad and these girls got to work hard to gain organic subs.

>>8771437
People are just bored with vtubers now. Hololive oversaturated their own market and now we're finally starting to see a dip.
Also bots finally getting btfo'd by YouTube

>>8771437
Market saturation, there are too many vouchers at this point so the new ones are crowding each other out

>>8771437
So this is why Holofags are shitposting so much today huh?

>>8771437
VTubing has had two big periods of growth. First was back in 2017 with Kizuna Ai. It lasted in Japan into 2018 but mainly faded everywhere else.

2nd was 2020 with Hololive's huge growth & Covid lockdowns. It lasted into 2021 but is now passing us.

It's not really a "bubble," but we're probably past the peak of that second wave. A lot of the people who got into HL back in 2020/early 2021 are no longer active viewers. Most indies who had big growth in that same timeframe are now seeing their growth stagnate and live viewer count even decline.

>>8787558
As someone who makes more in commissions than Pako does, he really fucked up her design at basic levels.
She fails at nearly every conceptual level of design, aesthetic, earned color etc

Pako isn't normally this amateurish, this was something out of his comfort zone and it shows, he needed to design a tomboy

>>8808021
Credit where it's due. The 2020 boom in the west began when ProjektMelody hit and showed that westerners were capable of economically supporting the industry.
Once the corporates saw that, any fence-sitting they were doing about the EN market was cancelled and the rush was on.

>Hololive blows up in the west when everyone was stuck inside because of Covid
>Hololive and other companies start adding more vtubers with varying degrees of success, EN Debut is a massive hit because EOP can now understand what the anime girls are saying
>Most of the EOP world is starting to recover and people can go outside again and not spend all time online for entertainment
>Coco graduates, one of if not the most popular JP vtuber for EOP
>Irys debuts to lots of hype but fails to live up to it (She is a "Vsinger" but her music have been less popular than all the EN music that has come out since her debut, including Niji music)
>Hololive trying to diversify the content they make - Gen 2 concepts, their initial content, Unison, etc
>Market saturation and experimenting with new types of content results in lower viewer numbers and subs

>>8772471
Might be the membership to live viewer ratio.

If there was a real problem with bots and Youtube was detecting and smiting them then every Holo would be getting hit especially huge ones like Gura that keep inclining steadily. Most likely they are trying something that detects these "New" accounts and is guessing that a lot of these are bots with all the accuracy that the evil algorithm overlord always displays

>>8771437
>nigger model has substantially less subs than the others
holy fucking based. feel bad for the girl though, I bet she was pissed when she found out that they were giving her a chimp avatar

>>8809284
This. Cover waited way too long to release gen 2 and now the hypetrain is long gone

>>8771437
Vtubers were a fad in the west that exploded due to the pandemic. No one's buying the pandemic bullshit anymore so barely anyone is bothering.

>>8786884
>>8787064
>>8806218
The sudden increase in subs was probably from when she actually did her debut, you autists. Reality happens outside of numbers.

Irys skyrocketed because Holofags were starved for new Holos, but since she was mediocre, there isn't nearly as much excitement for HoloEN2.

The myth of Cover's rigorous hiring process is dead.

>>8771437
Sana.... I hope she won't have mental break like Aki

>>8817249
You should know the answer to this question of you watch streams.

>>8771437
YouTube did em dirty.

>>8808020
Pako and Sana’s roomates are really good friends and talk a lot on Twitter and have hung out at nomikais. I think her roommate designed it and pako tried to insert his style in. I think it was just an unfortunate mismatch, they’re both good artists, just not mashed together

>>8771585
By being entertaing. Go outside and touch grass if you unironically enjoy the basic bitch Stacy that believes in astrology, she's in every worklaplace on the planet already, no need to watch her on YouTube as well

>>8771785
all the holos have been getting subnuked. the only one gaining subs this past 2 weeks is gura. but thats just because her growth is insane.

>>8771437
Peoples has slowly getting tired of the vtuber trend and have move on to other things

>>8771437
>What went wrong?
Your expectations

>>8777554
and yet everyone ignores the rhombus face of mumei.

>>8817879
It's nowhere near as bad as what Gura and Anya's rigger has done, its actually rigging on the level of some other holos got before, notably Shion which is that rigger's favorite going by the avatar pic they use.

OmegaAlpha and his cringelore is the only black spot on this gen. What arrogance, appointing himself this role and forcing the other girls to abide by his self-aggrandizing headcanon

>>8771437
>Sana
>nepotism whore
this is the only justice here. She didn't earn her spot.

>>8771437
don't worry they'll reach 1 million by the end of the year (except Sana)

>>8818075
Does being friends with someone in the company make it nepotism?

>>8818226
You're responding to bait.

>>8808020
>>8817724
It sounds similar to what happened with Kiara's model, the talent had too much input and the artist failed to limit the design to something they could make look good in L2D

by not playing this game

>vtubers are the most superchatted content creators on the platform/pretty much the only major streamers
>clipper cottage industry and algorithm pipeline leading to more ad revenue
>still fuck holos over
What's Google's problem?

>>8819860
Superchat revenue literally doesn't matter to Google.

>>8771437
>What went wrong?
Well obviously your math is shit, anon

>>8819860
Youtube hasn't given a shit about their creators for a long time.

>>8772394
>no good reason

that faggot just stated a fake news, since when ina outnumbers gura in liveviewers

>>8820991
>>8819997
This. Its peanuts compared to the money Ads make

>>8819997
absolutely agree, that's why VOD and Ad impression matters

>>8819860
literally no-one matters to youtube except their algorithms.

>>8776035
Susan based!?

>>8819860
Susan Wojcicki. Always has been.

>>8771437
YouTube is definitely nerfing their numbers. My sub to Sana’s channel was removed twice, it’s very bizarre.

>>8775243
Elaborate

>>8771528
Why can't Hololive (company) just contact Youtube (company)?
>Hey uhh so we are setting up these idols they will debut that day and they will have a lot of subs can you not delete them?
>Sure thing, we'll help you out!
No wonder nobody streams on youtube if they're so hard to get in touch with.

>>8821556
>implying that YouTube would listen to their creator

Anon... I can't...

>>8771437
>I honestly expected 500k subscribers by now.
500k in 5 days? Totally not a bait for sure

>>8771437
no senpai collabs yet

Irys skyrocketed after unexpected minecraft collab

>>8821727
They're not just a creator, Hololive is pretty big company. Isn't pekora like top female streamer on YouTube? All top streamers from twitch have some kind of contact with twitch staff.
Same with Twitter, they should inform them about the debut so they won't ban the chubas. Just call japanese twitter headquaters or something.

>>8821012
Only during the Mario Kart tournament and Gartic Phone streams.

>>8816076
If they weren't resubbing after debut, they were as good as bots.

>>8771736
Retard

>>8821996

Google routinely tells governments what to do anon, Cover is in no way batting on the same league.

Like the rest of the social media landscape, the only entity with the power to tell them what to do is the US Congress, but lol good luck with that.

>>8771437
let me tell you faggot one more time

IRyS stole the hype momentum

t. work in marketing consulting firms

>>8771437
the vtuber fad is over for the normoids and ironic weebs

>>8773909
no mommy issues here, I just like big tits and Wadarco's art

>>8808020
Gimme the handles of a few of your artist friends that do full body with decent shading for 100 bucks and don't suck too hard.

>>8819577
Kiara literally said in her mk stream that she had no input till the 2nd outfit

>>8808020
Out of interest what does an artist of that caliber make in commissions? Any way for you to confirm yourself to be real without dox?

>>8771437
SUSAN

>>8827149
Of course, it's her fault and not the cringe lore intended to build en2 hype but failed because it was interpreted as irys lore nothingburger by the majority. If you want to blame someone specific, blame omegacuck for being too busy sucking his own lore clit and taking up space in the limelight.

>>8771437
Sana will make it, give her sometime. Baelz too. Haven't seen Fauna or Kronii honestly though i would say Mumei has 0 future on the industry

>>8821727
Coco was able to make a deal with YT on her own, and Cover can't?

>>8828537
I refuse to believe Holo let through her avatar without the talents input.

Her's is too specific compared to the others, a phoenix with 2x hats one being a chef hat and a sword & shield??

There is too much random bullshit mixed in here, her artist is top tier I refuse to believe this clusterfuck was his design choice alone.

Ina nepotism hires.

>>8789105
Sana is brown not black, retard nigger.

It's kinda funny that people were expecting them to be a big hit but in the end Sana might celebrate her 200k after Elira etc. I hope it makes people more careful about shittalking in the future, numbers aren't everything, just wait for them to recline even further viewerwise once the initial hype is over. Also I hope that it's the last sub cut they got, one more situation like that would completely kill their momentum.

>>8771437
YouTube finally doing regular sub purges like they should in order to cull the wheat from the chaff. All subs should be purged at the end of every month.

>>8771437
Cover is the walmart of vtuber agencies and the sterilized hololive format is growing stale. The incredibly lazy rigging isn't doing them any favors. True vtuber aficionados are enjoying indies that have more freedom in what they can play, talk about and who they can collab with

>>8781114
Based

>>8771437
Sub growth was cut in half multiple times even after their first debut video. Sana in particular was hit the hardest unfortunately.

>>8832380
Dead subs should be purged

>>8808020
>he needed to design a tomboy

>>8821996
Hololive is chump change in streaming. They have combined concurrent views smaller than some streamers, let alone streaming companies.
Youtube doesnt have any real contact support even for genuinely big channels, they're not going to make an exception for: a) streamers, since they make way less money than they should, b) vtubers, which are terrible for marketing now that ironic weeaboism is dying off and becoming le cringe.
Also they've been trying to discourage secondary channels and from a youtube perspective hololive is a single streaming company spread across 50+ side channels. They hate this.
They should've moved to Twitch. The audience spread is tougher but the support is leagues above youtube.

>inform twitter of things
There's no people behind twitter the company. Your ban appeals are reviewed by humans but all the other processes are automated and cannot be stopped. If @jack got hacked and started spamming NIGGER he'd be banned too, they've been talking about this for years now and its true.

>>8808020
What? She looks amazing

>>8834644
>Twitch support
The admins are more likely to attempt to cripple them in favour of their pet favourites if the latter see vtubers as a threat.

>>8808020
>strokes ego cock by claiming to be big wig artist
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves

>>8828946
Hololive has an album with character sheets and already thought out names and a lore blurb and you pick from those. You can MAYBE add small details if they're really easy to make and animate and rig but its not the norm at all.
If Kiara had any input at all it would've been something minor like the second chicken leg hat.The chicken theme was already animated and done so its unlikely.

> I refuse to believe this clusterfuck was his design choice alone.
Thats what all of huke's designs look like. There's a reason he's only really known for steins gate in the west.

>>8815933
>anything that happened during 2020 was due to the pandemic
yeah alright and im sure the vaccine will give everyone space aids and make them infertile for life too.

>>8834749
They dont have that much power since they're employees and twitch wants to avoid any bad press at all costs.
vtubers have too much pull in the right groups, you cant just start banning vtubers after they start playing with the otv group, its brand suicide. Imagine gamba or the hot tub meta but its twitch targeting people for NOT showing their face. I'd honestly rather shut down the servers.

>>8808020
Her design is really good, not too busy and also incredibly cute and I'm saying this as someome who works as a character designer for a living. (Small animation studio, but still). Her tan having star shaped holes in it is just too good. It makes a lot of sense for her to be tan as well since she spends so much time exposed to the sun.

>>8772353
From a fan's perspective? No. You want to have streamers with less numbers in order to interact with them. This pretty much extends for everyone, not just Vtubers.
From a business perspective? Well, Cover does actively aim for numbers, especially the EN portion since they need to make sure the "dying fad" scenario doesn't affect them too bad in order to making up the cost from producing the vtubers in the first place.

>>8835491
They don't need to ban them, they can just give them the same level of support Youtube gives when things go wrong.

>>8781585
I've tried to understand her appeal a few times already but I may be stupid.

>>8771518

IMO they also went overboard with the theme of EN2.

You have these incredibly popular designs and fairly straightforward like a virtual maid, a dog girl, a pirate, shark girl, etc. Meanwhile EN2 went hard with the chunibyou and they look out of uncohesive gacha game most than ever.

Gura's design is the epitome of marketable where she can blend even well with western cartoons, cereal mascots or fast food chains as seen by the recent tacobell deal.

>>8817847
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THE DEAD SUBS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>8835854
>From a fan's perspective? No. You want to have streamers with less numbers in order to interact with them.
No, only a creepy incel loser looking for a girlfriend substitute would want streamers to do low numbers just so they could interact with them. From a fan's perspective... oh.

>>8837374
Mumei's design is pretty alright, and Sana only has the dark skin debuff. I agree on Kronii, Bael, and Fauna though, way too busy.

>>8778844
The girls are people too. Flare had a breakdown on her 500k milestone because korone was nice while her gen mates left her in the dust.

>>8839598
Mumei’s face changes shape when she face straight ahead.

Youtube should just force you to solve CAPTCHA when you sub.

>>8839598
Mumei’s face changes shape when she faces straight ahead. Her eyes get further apart.

>>8840397
Gura would have 100 subs then

>>8840397
They are probably using something like the reCAPTCHA v3

>>8840267
*50k

>>8840267
what happend?

>>8835235
>There's a reason he's only really known for steins gate in the west.
BRS... im still mad how all those cool designs ended up being wasted on mediocre stories and barely used any of the huge cast.

>>8836031
Gura's pretty much early Pewdiepie, just watch her mannerisms when playing a horror game like trying to have fun with movable objects.

Why are we sure Youtube is deleting subs? Are viewers not allowed to think and decide for themselves?

>>8840267
Are you thinking about her 50k, when Korone gave her a wallet?
Also, guess you mean that they went further ahead in aubs, but you make it sound like Gen 3 abandoned her, when they've always been close and supportive.

>>8847201
Please read the thread before asking this dumb thing for the 1000th time this week.

>>8817798
We get it you’re a cuck on top of being a massive faggot

>>8771437
Jewtube keeps wiping away their subs.

So how hard you have you to pretend that reason she is not as popular is that black or "semi-black" people are not pleasant to look at?

>>8847201
People rarely ever unsub to a channel unless the person did something very controversial and even then only a small part would. Just like Hololive Moments had the whole community get mad at them for their stance against Coco and privating all of their clips, yet they only lost like 10% of their total subs.

Nothing went wrong. Go back to watching your entertainment product and be a good goy.

>>8847857
You're asking why a bunch of teenage shitposters on 4chan are being racist? Pretty sure that comes with the territory fir all three.

The fucking hype died over some mediocre Aussie bitches. Unless they show some more potential within the month, they're dead weight for sure.

Senzawa carried the whole first gen with her 1 Million subscriber.
Who are gen 2 ?

>>8828946
I've actually been seeing people say this since her debut and they were saying it like it's some sort of known fact when now it's pretty much guaranteed that this assumption is completely wrong.

It just goes to show how 99% of the stuff people claim on this board is just completely bullshit theories and you basically can't trust any kind of claim made here without undeniable proof backing it up.

I always knew this fanbase was retarded when I was getting into it though.

>>8847857
Those tan stars tells me she is more of an Aussie surfer type.

>>8771437
Kronii mogs everyone way too hard. She's a perfect vtuber.
Also, Sana deserves more.

>>8847857
It's true though. Skin color is the only thing that really separates Sana from the rest of EN2 and she also happens to be the least popular. Do the math.

>>8771437
They are boring. I still prefer gen 1, except for Kiara because I don't like her voice.

>>8771785
Guess which is which

>>8773467
Cutest and best at video games. She is blitzing through celeste.

>>8774072
it could explain why Twitter cut off 3 of the 5 new ones due to 0-post fan followings

>>8821556
>contact Youtube
lol
lmao
polmao
good one anon

they're just not that good

>>8771437
How do their subs compare to Myth's subs after 1 week?

>>8771585
Because she's better than Sana? That should be obvious.

>>8808021
>>8808577
Yeah I think people have completely forgotten just how big ProjektMelody was on release and the subsequent blow up in early 2020 months before hololive blew up. The stories of her making camwhores mad were everywhere, news articles and trending on every website, it was all over social media. And she raked in huge amounts of money in just the first few days. If that hadn't have happened, I don't think the hololive EN debut would've played out the same way or had as much initial hype, ProjektMelody was debuffed by being on chaturbate, but she primed people's expectations and acceptance of english speaking western based "vtubers".

>everyone but time is getting less than 10k a day now and its hasnt even been a week
Yeah none of these losers will ever catch IRyS, let alone EN1

>>8821556
>youtube
>being in control of their auto-moderation in any way

Anon they are lucky they are not just permabanned for no reason.

>>8850882
261k to 188k is not even close to 10%...

Then again you might expect a bigger decrease seeing how they behaved.

>>8852421
Gura is a shark girl from Atlantis, Ina is possessed by the AO, Ame is a detective investigating Holomyth, Mori is death’s apprentice turned vtuber. So Huke made a KFP manager, idol, warrior design all by himself?
Kiara says a lot of things that make her unreliable, didn’t she say the chicken voice was her real voice and doubles down on it during Karaoke.

>>8875033
I don't trust a single word coming out of her mouth regarding stuff like this, it's not like she has contradicted her past statements on multiple occasions previously...

>>8847857
She's just tanned, doesn't have an ozone layer to protect her from UV rays.

>>8867355
Coco saw what was going to happen immediately and was probably yelling at corporate to move before they'd even read the news.

>what happened
YT flags subs that are made by accounts which subcribes to the same 5 (in this case) channels simulatenously in a short period of time.

>how do you know this
happened to NijiEN, to Edengumi, to HoloEN2, to NijiKR(6?), etc on their announcement and debuts. more so to HoloEN2 since EOP are subwhores and subbed immediately to the new girls regardless of anything.
Note that IRyS completely avoids this as she debuts alone, therefore no simultaneous subscribing takes place.

>why only vtubers
Its not only vtubers, if you look into @TeamYoutube tweets/replies, you'll find similar cases, mostly to new or small channels. most likely because YT's algo only checks this sort of behaviour when it detects a channel gained a considerable of subs in a short period of time (when a channel increased its subcount by more than 10% in a day, for example).
There is also one case where theres a 10-channel normie tuber collab and they all gain ~1k subs. YT then slash ~500 subs from all of them with little to no reason given out by YT when they complained.

>how can YT's AI be this retarded?
wont be the first time. and if you consider how a subfarm works, they are sweatshops that have multiple accounts over multiple devices that will subscribe to a fixed list of channels that have paid for their service, probably in a short period of time.
How a large number of fans/boxpushers reacts to a vtubers debut is unfortunately too similar with that and therefore is falsely flagged by YT's AI.

>so when will they return the subs back
not anytime soon, probably never.
the subscribers that are already flagged as spam/invalid are not actually unsubscribed, you will still get notification and all from the channel. its just that your sub wont count in the public subcount.
this is consistent with @TeamYoutube's position on the matter, which is they dont and never remove subs and that they regularly purge subs from inactive/spam accounts.

>but why are there people who claims that they are unsubscribed manually by YT
well YT is apparently such a big fucking mess that the reason some people are experiencing that is because of an entirely unrelated bug where your sublist may not properly sync when you are already subscribed to more than a certain number of channels.

>>8877882
more pic related

>>8771437
They aren't impressive at all. Also I believe Niji en is actually becoming competitive with Holo en. Honestly Niji en gen 2 members are much more talented/skilled and more enthusiastic bout Japanese things than Holo en gen 2, and they have more unique personalities. Penguins Japanese can compete to Kiaras, Rosemis Japanese is also better than the other Holo en members. And Selen is a high skilled gamer who can go together with Niji jp gamers.