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>>87315575
Anyone here knows were I can buy on the EU? Geekjack prices are ridiculous and the starter pack was sold out in seconds.

>>87315639
Reminds me of the Haymaker/Rain Dance days. Oh, early game metas.

What are your thoughts on 2nd Bloom Holomem having effective damage against other colors?

>>87320011
I'm mixed. On one hand, it's nice that some rogue deck can have some advantage into a meta matchup. On the other, some deck get fucked by the meta deck color advantage making them less playable.

>>87320011
The color advantage seems pretty arbitrary so far, but I like that it gives an advantage to stage 2.
Plus with the SorAZ deck you can have type advantage over 3 of the 4 types, which is pretty neat.
>>87321295
If Pokemon is any indication, the meta will quickly devolve into Debut and stage 1 Buzz, with little place for stage 2.

Speaking of stage 1 Buzz, Zeta seems pretty obnoxious, you continuously cycle between 2 of them to force opponent to flip a coin if they want to damage your active. But what is the best active to pair her with?

>>87315575
Cover should invest on making this playable online

>>87322856
Probably either 2nd Bloom Iofi (Gets to constantly swing 150 thanks to Zeta's presence) or 2nd Bloom Kobo (Damage blocking buys her time to build up damage to the bench). Having 2 Buzzes active at the same time feels risky even if they have Health for days.

Because it will be useful for later, here's who's coming in the next set.

>Oshi Holomem cards
Fubuki
Shion
Marine
Chloe
Reine
Ollie
Mori

>Holomem Cards
Fubuki
Shion
Ayame
Choco
Mio
Okayu
Noel
Marine
Chloe
Reine
Ollie
Mori
Ina
Nerissa

>Spot Holomem Cards
Holowitches (Luna, Miko, Kanata, Marine, Shion, Chloe)

>>87324881
>>87322856
To elaborate on 2nd Bloom Iofi and 2nd Bloom Kobo, Iofi is one of the best 2nd blooms in the game, but suffers from a lack of ID3 so she doesn't synergize with zeta 1st and id3 gravity. Also you can't collab iofi and buzz zeta at the same turn. Kobo as a card is much worse than Iofi but works better with Zeta. You do not want to run both simultaneously as that will make the deck too inconsistent.

>>87324088
While i would love the physical game, i fully admit that if they release a full fledged videogame (no master duel like/arena/always online crap, legit full game) i'd get into that and never let go

But i wouldn't buy the physical card game in that case

>>87324881
What are we afraid of? Gust? We can always bloom Zeta into her non-Buzz after she's taken a hit, or can she be reliably one shot?
>>87326891
>Iofi is one of the best 2nd blooms in the game
Is she? She has low hp and her damage, while solid, isn't spectacular. But then again the game is brand new so I probably don't know what I'm talking about yet.
Also the fact that 1st Bloom Iofi can't accelerate to other Iofi is a bit of a pain too, it forces her into a support role or a Sora Oshi.
>Kobo as a card is much worse than Iofi but works better with Zeta
Once Kaela arrives I could see ID3 rivaling Promise thanks to Zeta 1st Bloom. We already have Kobo for early collabs and Zeta Buzz for later. Hopefull she's either White or Blue, I doubt a 3 color deck can work.

>>87328156
>no master duel like/arena/always online crap, legit full game
How do you play a multiplayer game without being online?

>>87326891
>>87328197
If 1st searcher zeta could finds iofi then the deck would be on the level comparable to promise. Which shows you how easy a fully supported gen matter for these kind of searcher to become a problematic card.
Without the Irys line promise would still be good but not as dominating as it is.

>>87328294
>ALWAYS online
Like that

I'm perfectly fine with a big online component as long as there's a fully-playable-offline game under the hood

Leave stuff like drafts/tourneys and stuff that nets you stickers/in-game currency/whatever bonus for the online but give me a full game besides that and i'd buy your game twice

That's why i bought and was happier with fucking YGO Duelist Link Evo than my time in Master Duel

>>87328197
I rate iofi highly because she is 150 damage with a very good collab effect. Most 2nd blooms demand much more for that damage rate. Iofi collab effect can easily make iofi be functionally a 2 cheer requirement. I could be overvaluing the card especially as she can be fragile to things such as 2nd suisei.
>>87328347
This is a big what if, and zeta iofi doesn't come with the early game burst potential of promise decks.

https://www.nexusmods.com/tcgcardshopsimulator/mods/147
guess someone did make the mod

>>87328347
Maybe the mistake was making both Irys and Mumei white. But then Kroni would still help in choosing which color to accelerate.
I imagine they'll print control cards at some point. I could see a Gift effect that turns off Bloom effects while it's in collab. Or maybe a support card?
>>87329168
>Most 2nd blooms demand much more for that damage rate
Sure, but they often have game-winning effects. Cards like Kanata, Lui, Suisei can take multiple ko in 1 turn, and stuff like Kiara, Kobo, Pekora can nuke anything in the active.
But maybe the reliable 150dmg is good enough, I'll have to give Iofi a try.

>>87328563
So you mean a single-player game vs AI? That would require to make an entire solo campaign and program a solid AI, multiple even, on top of implementing all cards and game logic. And you would need to update all of it with every new set.
I wouldn't get my hopes up. It would already be a miracle if we get an official online client.

>>87330083
Nah, i understand it'd be a tall request (especially for a company as video game adverse as Cover, most other corps that had this level of recognizable talent would have had way more games tjlhan the few "official" ones) but it'd not be as hard as you make it out to be

Due to being basically a Pokemon clone, the actual list of card interactions to program wouldn't be particularly complex, and deck lists could easily be copied from "design-intended" ones to just copying ones used in tourneys and stuff (the GBC Pokemon games handled such interactions just fine)

The biggest hurdle would be justifying such a game in the first place when an online-only client would be much faster and efficient for today's age

Meh, i was only spekaing in a hypothetical case anyway, i know actual chances are like, less than zero

Captcha: YAGO2

cards

>>87328197
>We can always bloom Zeta into her non-Buzz after she's taken a hit, or can she be reliably one shot?
A chunk of 2nd Blooms and Buzz Polka can put Buzz Zeta and others in an awkward spot where they survive but can't bloom into a normal 1st bloom to prevent the extra life loss.

>Is she? She has low hp and her damage, while solid, isn't spectacular.
Like the other anon said, 150 damage behind a condition you don't even need to think about if you just run an all ID deck and a good collab effect. It feels like the problem is she doesn't get to be the collab partner she should be since Zeta wants that collab spot as well for the damage nullification, Kobo needs time to set up her nuke damage, and I don't think Moona really swings games for ID as a center. I'm holding out for Reine to be strong so Iofi can get a center she can work behind.

https://x.com/hololive_OCG/status/1845259418163941438
Can't wait to see the results

>>87335707

>>87335707

>>87335855
It's pretty cool seeing the art everywhere.

>>87335707
by the way, this is like the big tournament right? Wonder if they'll preview some cards from the next set.

>>87337331
Yeah this is the 512 one. Hope so too

>>87335707
inb4 Overwhelming Promise wins

>>87337621
it's gonna be 90% Promise in the top cut but Polkiara + Kanata in the finals.

>>87337730
No finals. Prizes are given to all 5-0s

>>87335617
>A chunk of 2nd Blooms and Buzz Polka can put Buzz Zeta and others in an awkward spot where they survive but can't bloom into a normal 1st bloom to prevent the extra life loss.
Well if opponent needs 2 hits and a gust to take 2 lives then it's not too bad?

> 1st bloom polka fetch kfp
> attach kfp, discard zain
> 1st buzz polka fetch zain.

god, i love chaining actions in this currently limited game.

The idea of using 1st stage to prevent Buzz cards to give up two life will be an interesting situation moving forward once they add in 2nd stage cards

>>87338929
The best part is that you can use your cheer attachment for turn to power up a fat chicken on the bench.
I could see Zain getting banned in the future. The fact that it's free cheer acceleration with the only downside being "take 10 more dmg" means that they need to be extra careful with every new Polka they print.

>>87341253
That's only really an issue if they don't implement a rotation.

>>87330083
We have a fan simulator doing that for free already, a multimillion dollar company can manage a bigger and more complex version if they wanted to

draw

>>87341253
Eh. They can continue balancing it with how they're handling the normal Polka i.e low HP.

1st bloom Polka is effectively a 100 HP card since it needs at least 1 zain to attack.

>>87328563
>>87330083
you mean like YGOPOC?

>>87330083
They should make a Hololive game that plays like Pokemon TCG on the Gameboy Color.

>>87353850
The structure is right there too.
>Clubs for each color and EN, ID, and JP, then the Elite 4
>Ronald pops up every now and again

https://x.com/hololive_OCG/status/1845301838691828022

A lot of reports about promise winning as well as the win rate strongly correlate to your ability to win rock paper scissors

2nd place. 1st is also Mumei promise. Hakos Baelz is really good

5-0 Kiara Polka

>>87358924
Double loss on time...
Rock paper scissors is inevitable.

5-0 ID

>>87360987
I think that means RPS for first turn. And first turn advantage is pretty big

Mono white Kanata also got a 5-0 but no decklist

>>87358924
That's just how every new card game works.
Going first is always an advantage, and there aren't enough cards yet to bridge the gap for those going second so they always end up getting snowballed.

A lot of people with good result also have achievements in other games like pokemon, yugioh, one piece. There was a pokemon champion who went 5-0 as well

Many reports about playing against promise in all 5 matches or at least 4

>>87360991
Where did you find this? Can't see it on the main hashtag

>>87361312
https://x.com/Noname_SEP/status/1845358459102896495
I just went with ブルームカップ

Next set is called quintet spectrum? Spectrum won, holly hell

>>87361188
The 5-0 Mono white Kanata only went first once

14 participants ended up with a perfect record:
5 Mono white Mumei Promise
1 White/Red Mumei Promise
3 Mono white Kanata Promise
2 Mono white Kanata
1 Kiara Polka
1 ID (Zeta Moona Kobo)
1 Azki (just Azki)

>>87362319
Conversion rates doko?

>>87362319
Mono white Mumei is either 5 or 7. I don't know which tweet is correct. 16 sounds more plausible than 14 though

>>87362555
should be 16 as it was a five round 512 person swiss tournament

>>87362319
source?

>>87362319
No Suichan deck? I thought she's tier 2...

>>87362663
>>87362687
>>87362705
16 is correct
https://www.bushi-navi.com/event/result/874845

>>87362319
https://www.bushi-navi.com/event/result/874845

>>87362705
She is tier 1 in going into time

>>87362813
>>87362814
>>87362319
damn, ID got perfect score

>>87362319
damn, id team got perfect score it's really insane (imo)

>>87363193
Just have to win all your rolls to take no damage

>most deck only has 1 good attacker
>promise has 2 of them

>Magic had format-defining bird
>Hololive has format-defining bird
they are

>>87363771
did yugioh or pokemon or digimon ever have a broken bird card?

>>87364209
yugioh : floowandereeze

Draw!

https://x.com/hololive_OCG/status/1845395127512203741

>>87365958

>>87364209
Wouldn't say outright broken but this thing was a jerk to deal with.

https://x.com/shinsoku_akb2nd/status/1845381323755749819
The playmat prize for going 5-0 is already being sold for 150k yen

>>87369462
Geez, it's hard to believe there are people willing to pay that much for it.

>>87366371
>Fauna is broken
Who the fuck made this?

waoo

>Ollie is purple
I'm surprised

ollie getting a card for her birthday based on her new outfit

>>87372269
I'm not sure if you're being facetious, but they're all real Magic cards. Fauna is dryad arbor.

>>87373296
I think there are going to be more purple cards in the next set, to make up for the fact that it wasn't in the first set. Shion, Choco, Ollie, Calli, and Nerissa are probably all purple.

>>87373313
Every bday merch will be getting a oshi card. The effect is the same just pumps and searches based on the color of the member

I'm really curious what they're going to do with the Birthday promos for EN. Are they going to make English versions? I don't if Justice are getting them, but we might see during GGs birthday next week.

>>87374154
all this reminds me is that I will never have a special birthday ame card

>>87374154
>>87374336
is the color actually random or it's from their set?

>>87374634
It should match based on Fubuki

>>87374896
>Those skills on Fubuki read fuck Kanata
Jesus

>>87374634
Seems like the girls were all divided into specific colors ahead of time.

>>87360283
Waht is Bae for? Is the 20 damage that relevant?Also what is it with lists playing 3 standard PC, shouldn't that be a 4-of in every deck?
>>87360944
>only 2 Kiara and only the debut one
Kinda disappointing, hopefully the meta doesn't devolve into just 1 attacker and a couple Debut/Spot as support. Spot Pekora + Nousagi is kinda cute though.
>>87374634
So far all holomem have been restricted to 1 color, so regular Ollie should also be purple.

>>87375637
Stage 2 Bae has effective damage against Green cards which makes Promise decks built around her a danger to AZKi and Aki decks.

>>87373418
>>87372269
Correction: they're real tokens, and Fauna's is based on Dryad Arbor.

>>87375637
Aggro decks are all about being efficient to roll out as much damage early before your opponent can respond.


So you’re going to focus everything on dumping damage with Polka Buzz and the KFP card serves as both card draw and damage boost. Meaning you’re not supposed to attack with Kiara at all, especially since Polka Buzz only needs 2 energy (even less with Zain) to start attacking

>>87375637
Bae hand shuffling effect kills a lot deck

I feel Zeta will be better once more ID members are added. Moona as the attacker feels to weak, imo.
This could turn into a #promise-lite for #ID
Zeta for defense, Moona for ramp-up/back up, then a better attacker.

>>87375881
Bae attack with +30 from Irys is 180dmg though, you don't ko any 2nd Bloom AZKi with that. Or am I missing something?
>>87376883
How so? It doesn't punish large hands, and you can just shuffle with a pc if useful stuff is on the bottom.
The art is pretty damn cute though.
>>87376844
Sure, but 1st Bloom Kiara's ability to go through the deck goes well with Polka Buzz's Bloom. That and you can use Oshi Kiara to turn your Archive into a 2nd hand. But I guess between Kiara Bloom and Pekora Spot, Pekora is just better.

>>87375419
what does it do?

>>87360991
>plays both Moona and Pekora
>doesn't play their search support
sad

>>87379124
19 targets is not enough to make it worth the slot. The normal draw card is much better because you want axes and another draw card for next turn.

>>87378166
Dunno what's with their reaction with Kanata tho. Maybe it's a postive one?
Since it's possible to get 3 lives in one kill for 2nd bloom Kanata; 4 if it's against a buzz card.

If I order boxes off of geekjack, how long would it take for it to get to the US?

>>87377051
While the deck doesn't hit that hard in the active, Buzz Moona + Oshi Kobo means you can deal 20 and 30 wherever you want every turn. That's some good pressure right there.
>>87379480
Honestly even if we had more hit I doubt it would be worth it. Pekora loses a lot of her value past the 1st turn, so you're only really searching for Moona past that point, which Pekora already does by herself.
Still, it's too bad that their support search isn't used in the 1 meta decks playing them both.

>>87381540
actually Moona + Zeta with axes hit for 100+140, so you can take down anything if you have both online. On top of the 50 spread.

>>87379831
There's no way Kanata uses any oshi other than herself, right?
Taso prefers playing with herself after all.

>>87383343
I've tried sora oshi as well and it worked ok? the damage boost on the swap skill is sometimes enough for the 2 life kill and it's nice being able to snipe a backliner without using your limited support slot

you know considering they show off the promo birthday card, it would already be in the sim or at least soon right?

>>87380998
I ordered 6 boxes from geekjack and they came in 7 days. I live on the East Coast for what it's worth.

>>87377231
Because many decks only has 4 copies of important stage 2. Factoring in the chance of them accidentally turning into holo power every time you collab & how some many bloom effects require timing, you can read the opponent's plan and ruin them with Bae

>>87385384
In Holoduel? You can ask the dev on the itch io page.

>>87387019
I see.
But >>87360283 plays a 2-2-1 Bae line, how reliably can you get her out in collab before opponent gets their main 2nd Bloom out?
Although if we get cards that you can play on opponent's turn, I could see Bae becoming key.

>>87385384
They should wait until it's printed physically to add it.

>>87389376
You draw and search like crazy

draw

Pekobump

Don't forget to eat your greens!

>>87385384
>>87389735
We already have 1 for each color, so they're functionally implemented.
Or does the name matter?

>>87396921
Thank you Peko for making sure my AZKis don't have to think about pulling energies from the archive

deck out

oaw

>>87383847
Oshi Sora is pretty underrated. I can see more decks trying to use her.

Got bored so put all undefeated decks in a single pic
>>87362813
I had to compress a bit to get under the 4MB limit, but hopefully it's still readable.

tl;dr Promise 2 strong plz nerf

>>87362411
Maybe Cover will release the data if we ask nicely?
Actually have they given their stance on that matter? Do they plan to release it or will it have to be grassroot?

>>87397999
These aren't the same as the birthday cards. They're abilities are different.
And yes the name does matter.

Geekjack seems to still have the boosters in stock and no purchase limit, at least none that are enforced in the cart or on purchase. Anyone know if they send you an unbroken case if you buy 10 boxes?

>>87364209
this lil guy count?

I will play my oshi even if she's bad
No, I will not splash meta in it

>>87411646
Okay but what if she synerizes well with the meta?

>>87411646
Honestly outside of Promise the meta seems wide enough. Not too bad considering we only have 1 set to work off of.

>>87406741
My bad, I only looked at the 1st skill.
Don't they plan to release new ones that are actually identical outside of the name though? Or am I misremembering?

>>87364209
These fuckers were the best deck in Master Duel when they were at their peak
>>87409245
This is also a very good pick
Yata-Lock was so good YGO had to create a banlist for the very first time

>>87408752
No, from what I heard you don't get an unbroken case if you order 10

>>87413667
Yeah, the birthday PR oshi cards all have identical abilities, except they correspond with the Holomems color. They're:
> [Once per turn] All (color) holomem's arts get +20
> [Once per turn] Reveal a (color) holomem from your deck and put into your hand. Shuffle your deck.
But these cards won't be available until their birthday merch actually ships some time early next year.

>>87379831
There are so many games I have to stall out without collabing and wait for the chance to end the game with Kanata. Fubuki just read no stalling and the requirement for the skill to procs seems easy

Draw!

>>87414820
sex with candy

>>87420439

>>87315639
Too unbalanced

>>87326447
Advent showing up is pretty neat

Any news of the English global release?

>>87425554
just that it will happen

>>87372269
Why do you think it's broken?

ORE NO TAN DORO

>>87374154
>Every bday merch will be getting a oshi card.

>>87425216
I just realized ReGloss and Justice in year 1 is also possible because of this.

Did any of the girls talk about the card game?

Risu oshi when?

>>87432200
https://x.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1845398621837226105
>Did you enjoy it?
>Shirakami will also be opening packs at a later date, so please look forward to it!

so how many sets until they launch the game?

>>87433050
the game's already launched, anon. what did you think was happening?

>>87433212
They meant EN ver of the game *smile*

>>87433212
i mean the app game

>>87433305
It'll be playable in holoearth in 2025

>>87430794
Regloss is already getting a promo card with their album, so they're a shoe in.

>>87432200
Now that I think about it I don't think I've heard many girls not named Nodoka, Polka, or La+ talk about the game outside of mentioning the card you get for getting a full set of birthday merch.

>>87434412
I could see this happening actually (have to buy the cards in-app again)

>>87315575
Will there be an english release of the game?

>>87436742
Yes
No, no news when

>>87436994
cam on cover print some facking cards

>>87318233
The sheer volume of smug millenial faggots trying to retcon reality and claim chansey/alakazam stall was the biggest deck back then is insane by the way, that deck wasn't even widely recognised til LONG after.

Draw

I never realized how low the bump limit was.

10

The fattest chuuba on the block.

>>87446579
Are those your pulls anon?

>>87446810
Nah, I just browsed xitter for Eroha pics.
Apparently the right one is a misprint, lucky bastard. https://x.com/9WLZO2GNcXnOdP1/status/1845835064451678404

I wanna play this at my local shop already fucking global release WHEN!?

>>87447091
Just print the proxies from holoduel.net
You'll have to convince your locals to play with you though.

>>87446925
Oh, because the foil was printed over her face. I wonder if anyone would actually pay for that kind of misprint.

>>87446579
She makes an alright pinch hitter too since the floor for her damage with "Gather up all your Cheers" is actually 90 because it counts the two cheers needed to be able to use it.

>>87432200
Sora found it difficult to understand…

>>87448851
Sodatyan.....

>>87448851
Soda... It's just Pokemon...

>>87448902
>>87449750
In her defense, it took me a bit to understand the effect of Irys collab.

>>87452514
moom buffed

tried few matches earlier, i like this more than pokemon TCG already collab system is cool
wish they just use normal card terms like discard instead of archive/attack instead of arts though understandable they have to use cheer instead of energy
>>87362319
>0 suisex
no...
is she not that good atm or just low sample size? maybe the lack of buzz hurts?

when banlist

>>87456782
IMO blue feels like the weakest color right now but Suisei seems like the best choice if you wanted to make a blue focused deck. All the Suisei users probably just had a bad run.

>>87456782
Suisei to me personally feels a bit too much like all your eggs in one basket. When you hit hard you hit really hard but you have essentially no utility or anything else to speak of

>>87457453
The whole meta is going to change when they introduce the new set in 2 months. There's no need for a banlist.

>>87457527
>IMO blue feels like the weakest color right now
Yea, blue and fire still suck. team/group deck (and white) it's good rn. Now i wonder for holomem already got full (debut until oshi) meanwhile still missing buzz, next pack or until all holomem appear on HoloOCG

AZKi rising once again. Does she have a good matchup vs Promise?

>>87456782
>is she not that good atm or just low sample size? maybe the lack of buzz hurts?
Low sample size. It was basically 500 people playing 5 rounds of Bo1. I wouldn't read too much into it, outside of Promise dominance. And even then, multiple people reported playing vs Promise for 4 or 5 rounds, so the deck might be overrated.
But with so much Promise and Katana in the meta, 2nd blooms outside of AZKi might be too slow right now.

why.

>>87315575

I finally won my first match using my Suichan deck.

Have draw while I take a shower and sort my thoughts on AZKi.

>>87463963
Time to celebrate with a cup of ringo.
What are you running her with? Moona?

>>87467598
Yeah, that's right. I stole some decklist and just made a few minor modifications to it. I keep messing up, so I'm still kind of getting used to how to play the game.

>>87456782
Archive makes sense since that's the term they already use to call vods, and because sending your oshi to the graveyard/trash just doesn't sound good. Arts also already exists and uses in different game(s?), like wixoss

I just want to click the surrender button every time I see my opponent start with debut kanata. Why does polka have to take 2 damages when she is downed and why does kanata have to deal extra 50 damage to red and take 2 of your lives in one attack?

>>87459049
I've washed and I think there are two big things AZKi has that makes her strong: momentum and flexability.

>Momentum:
AZKI probably has the best cheer building ability in the game right now. On the first turn, you can potentially get a cheer on two different holomems thanks to 60 HP Debut AZKi. Even if the current center dies a horrid Kanata-related death turn 1 or turn 2, you have another AZKi ready to Bloom. After some thought, I think SorAZ might be one of the best 1st Blooms in the game right now. Her single art is decently strong but the big thing is its effect; you either get another cheer onboard or card in hand. On top of that, you can let a SorAZ hang out in the backstage so 190 HP 2nd Bloom AZKi can farm cheers for everyone. Pekora's regular Oshi skill makes hard to get rid of all those accumulated cheers without either getting a multikill or using the cheer removal card, and even that can be undone if you get lucky with with the 220 HP 2nd Bloom AZKi's Bloom effect. Finally, in the lategame the 50 HP Debut AZKi can just skip right to 2nd Bloom. In short, AZKi can get the ball rolling and keep it rolling.

Flexibility:
Right now AZKi is the only Holomem who has two options for a 2nd Bloom, and both do effective damage to different colors. 190 HP hits Blue and 220 hits colorless, which is big since Promise is so prevalent right now. With a Stone Axe equipped the 190 HP oneshots 2nd Bloom Suisei and Kobo with her 3 cheer art if it lands on an odd number and knocks out anything else with less than 130 HP with her 1 cheer art and gets another cheer on the board if there's a SorAZ in play. The 220 HP oneshots 2nd Bloom Mumei and falls just short of getting oneshotting 2nd Bloom IRyS and Kanata. I can now also explain what makes Bae a useful anti-AZKi tool for Promise; she's the only Promise member who doesn't eat the +50 damage either 2nd Blooms and thus can live to see another turn.

TL;DR: AZKi is strong in her own right and having an edge on Promise is a nice bonus.

>>87472195
It is pretty hard to kill with 6 lives

>>87472351
Yeah, having one extra life to pluck a cheer from is also nice.

>>87472195
Pekora's ability to keep cheers just floating around essentially forever is something I've been hyped about pretty much since I started but I've never really found anything too good to do with it, maybe I'll try out something like this. I was trying to brew something with buzz iroha because she can act as a receiver for extras you don't need on anyone else but the cheer:damage ratio is just not great. Like, 2 for 90 is nice but when you start stacking more and get up to 150 at 5 cheers it just feels like too much effort

>>87326447
oh nice my oshi is there

Do you think cards will have resistances at some point?

>>87479212
of course

Why were these 4 chosen as the faces of the first set? Did the suits figure they would help sell packs the most? Suisei and Pekora I get, but Mumei and Kiara feel kinda random. Wouldn't Fubuki and Miko/Marine make more sense marketing-wise? Not that I'm complaining though.

>>87479212
>>87480805
Maybe as a Gift effect, but adding type resitance to a game that already has type advantage is just pointless complexity. Look how often the concept is used in Pokemon (never).

>>87482487
Probably wanted to mix EN in, plus Mumei (nameless) makes sense as colourless, and Kiara being a phoenix makes sense as the not!Fire type. And that's before considering that they'd likely want to stagger their bigger talents between sets instead of releasing all of them in the same one so fans will have the incentive to buy more.

>>87472351
I do think Azki should have a buzz card. She can hit harder than Polka or Zeta but is less risky and can even be considered to be tankier.

>>87482765 (me)
I don't know why Sora has a buzz card but Azki doesn't.

>>87482487
They all showed up in BR. Expect another one of these sets for the next booster set especially the purple cheer.

>>87479212
Yes. Yellow holomems will have that gimmick.

>>87482752
>colourless
It's white actually, colorless so far is only for Spots.

>>87482914
Because AZKi already has 2 2nd Blooms, and can even steal Sora's. In fact you can technically use Sora's Buzz too, just gotta find white cheers.
I imagine we won't see any new AZKi card for a bit, there's a bunch of holomems waiting for their first print. Even Bae only has 2 non-vanilla card, by comparison AZKi has 6.

>>87483329
>It's white actually
Fuck, and I wanted to sound cool with the nameless connection

>>87483329
>flare is white
hmmm...

Spot card doesn't count and 150 hp Kanata is the worst one among 150 hp cards. I don't know why they have to do Kanata dirty like this

How are you guys playing with no english release? Also who are you playing against? Is there an online version?

>>87485776
>>87315575

Draw!

>>87485776
holoduel.net is our generation's dueling network

Good number so far for a new game, consider the competition are all industry giants

Looks like only 14 players got 5-0 and bushinavi was just showing the top 16 players. Might have been caused by double losses due to time out.
https://x.com/hololive_OCG/status/1846124743243845807
https://x.com/hololive_OCG/status/1846125348498649499
https://x.com/hololive_OCG/status/1846125744826863945
https://x.com/hololive_OCG/status/1846125957628964903

>>87489163
Did they give any numbers?

>>87489253
found this in the ygo reddit
https://www.torema.jp/202409torecamarketconditions/

my last win was 7 days ago, i think moomrys deck is washed guys...

>>87489198
Conversion rates doko?

>>87489163
I'm tired of all these winning, Yagoo...

>>87489163
The profit margins for TCGs must be absurd. Autists pay so much for pieces of paper.

>>87490151
Hooking the audience and keeping them coming back is hard though. Yugioh has had to keep pumping insane power creep for 10 years now to the point where if an archtype doesnt win turn one its worthless. So nobody new plays nobody old comes back ton a game they dont recognize and the autists demand something new thats +1 stronger than the last set or they will just keep playing X thing. I hear MTG has a similar power creep problem even with its format limitations. Theres also countless CCGs that never caught on a sustainable audience. Hell I had a fucking BLAST with the History channels CCG and its still one of my favorites ever but nobody else played it

>>87490789
That’s where set rotation and ban lists come in; intentionally phase out cards to make space for new ones

Mill 3!

>>87491243
pokemon and shadowverse taught me rotation doesn't slow powercreep at all
banlist on paper keeps the game healthy but really feels like half the time its either panic ban or ban to push the new powercreep archetype

>>87489163
I assume this is a Japanese only sales ranking? I find it hard to believe that MTG would be so low worldwide.

>>87494875
I checked and it was only sales from a single online marketplace based on >>87489312

>>87494956
Oh, okay. Well, it's cool to get any data.

>>87492520

FUCK KANATA PLAYERS
FUCK KANATA PUSSY

>>87492520
You're gonna bring those cards back from the archive, right? Right?

Discard!

Fubuki opening packs on stream later?
https://x.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1846197689685627014

outgrinding a #promise deck is always a delight.

>>87501730
How many coinflips did you get?

>>87501834
3-4, i think. got enemy'd twice too so I had to waste cheers to baton pass moona back to center.
they also misplayed hard by not using baton pass on their useless center that i've been ignoring.

>activate So, you're the enemy
>switch your 2nd stage center with some weakass debut from your backrow
>collab this
Your response?

>>87502463
> squeezes you cutely

>>87492520
>>87498629
>mill 3 Nodoka

>>87502841
Felt my soul hurt once using an Oshi skill and watching two Nodokas go into the Archive.

>>87502982

>>87501523
Sweet, I'm looking forward to it.

Why is this game getting so much gameplay discussion when the Weiss cards never did?

>>87506840
I never got into Weiss, but I imagine it's because this one is a full game?
Also so far it looks like a fixed Pokemon.

>>87506840
The online simulator definitely helps

>>87506840
I've tried Weiss Schwarz. It's just my initial impression, but the game seems kind of shitty. I think most people buy the cards just to collect them.
The Hololive card game seems like a much better game.

>>87506840
>New and Shiny card game devoted entirely to Hololive vs long running preexisting game with multiple properties that Hololive happens to be a part of
>Simply gameplay that's basically Pokemon with some extra mechanics vs Whatever Weiss has
>Someone made an easy to use itch.io simulator vs learning to use Lackey
Take your pick

Guys, what happens to the card game if Moomei breaks NDA and gets terminated today?

>>87508520
Then we get to molest all Promise players!

>>87508520
Banlist

card games

>>87502191
>Spoiler
Baton Pass feels like such a useful tool that forget about until I absolutely need it.

in idol stage

Who is his oshi, /hlcg/?

>>87502463
this has gotta be one of the worst cards in the game right now

>>87514738
dude only cared about his bike

>>87514738
Naturally

>>87506840
iirc someone made weiss online sim but got nuked
i'm sure some people here owns holo weiss cards but quick look at its effects and they all noped out just like me, its all untranslated and even if you are a legitimate N1chad good luck trying to find anyone to play with if you aren't in japan

>>87514738
He would be a Luknight and they would ride bikes together

>>87515430
Yep. 3 energy for 60 damage and some evolution acceleration is awful, even if you can do some theoretical Bloom tricks in the future

>>87516419
The attack is weak, costs too much, the collab effect is maybe even worse than useless in some cases since it lets them trigger bloom effects again.
It should have left the damage on them so you can potentially snipe injured holos with it, would be maybe even some synergy with all the other backline damage in the colour.

>>87516037
>good luck trying to find anyone to play with if you aren't in japan
Weiss is fairly popular as far as jp tcgs go? Or at least I remember it was a few years ago, it's possible it might have died down. Personally I just think the game is not very fun and also it's not even great as a collectors thing. I guess hololive doesn't have it too bad but the sets based on anime series probably 90% of the card art is literally anime screenshots, it's so lazy

>>87516037
>its all untranslated
Anon, all the cards were released in English. I've bought some boxes of the English version.

cards

>>87516728
>The attack is weak, costs too much, the collab effect is maybe even worse than useless in some cases since it lets them trigger bloom effects again.
Wait, you can immediately bloom someone who has been hit by Kronii's collab effect? I thought it was treated like Holomem was freshly placed.

>>87516037
You... know the Hololive Weiss cards were released in English, right?

draw

wao

>>87521964
I actually am not sure, but that's how I'd interpret it at least. And even if you couldn't do it immediately you'd still get it next turn

>>87515430
>>87516419
>>87516728
I imagine they wanted to play it safe for the first set. If pokemon is any indication, this kind of effect can be very obnoxious, especially if it's repeatable, like Kronii.
And given that she has a great 1st bloom and a strong engine to support her, I'd rather have a bad Kronii than a meta Kronii.

>>87521964
>>87531034
The manual states you can bloom as long as the card didn't come into play this turn. So you should be able to bloom immediately after a Kronii collab.

PORU!

Mill!

So how expensive is this card game if i only use lowest rarity cards?

oaw

https://x.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1846438528143827282
Friend doing pack openings later

>>87546996
>しかも…ちょっと……お知らせもある
Hololive OCG tourney with holos copium

>>87543458
Prices are currently very high due to the game being brand new and the initial hype. The basic item search is worth 15 fucking bucks, and virtually every deck wants a playset. No way a common stays that high.
Here for an idea: https://yuyu-tei.jp/sell/hocg/s/hbp01#newest
You can probably guess the meta cards by their price tag.

>>87547060
I can't believe friend is graduating.

>>87546996
thats my friend

>>87489163
>Beating WS
wtf

>>87515430
It's a meh card. Notably, none of the promise decks with 5 wins included any 2nd kronii, so it's at least suboptimal.

>>87543458
>>87543458
Lowest rarity cards are not actually more common than the other cards. Yes, a common card is more common, but there are way more commons than the other rarities that it comes out to about 7:6 ratio common to double rares.

>>87328156
Easy give physical cards a scanable code so that if you buy physical cards you also get them online in the game

https://youtu.be/CZsx0D4O8ag

>>87551201
I will be there no matter what

>>87551201
>10 boxes
Wtf friend

Fubuki love

>>87552538
Was Mori's color already revealed yet?

>>87553502
yep

fatto catto will bring blue cards to golden age!

is this game hard to learn?
I played a lot of different CCG's but I don't understand OP's picture

>>87555584
Pokémon but double battles

>>87555584
It's Pokemon-like with double battle mechanic called "collab". Kanata with red text effect is a +30 damage buffer to center Kanata when she collabs.

Jwu, how were Fubuki's pulls?

>>87556655
I think she got enough Foil Pols to make a red deck as a flex, same for Mooner. No OURs though.

>>87556655
Sounds about as expected. It's too bad she didn't pull any OURs.

>>87555584
> I don't understand OP's picture
It HP breakpoints + damage stacking on a simple Kanata card whose deck's entire gameplan is to punch real hard.

40 base damage
+20 (tool card, can equip one tool)
+20 and +10 (collab effect, +20 to center, +10 if center has #gen4 tag)
+10 (mascot card, can equip one mascot, if equipped to Kanata, reflect 20dmg to center if attacked)

8 cards to deck out

>>87557503
>*+10 to center, additional +20 if center has #gen4 tag
ftfy

>>87547256
>Suisei having 1k over Moom
Funny how her star power just makes her complete outlier with prices.

>>87559044
Draw!

>>87564951
Sick art. I wonder what Purple's gimmick is going to be.

>>87565536
Calli's debut card gets +10 to her art if there's a holomem in the archive. In case that's any clue.

>>87565927
I wish Holo OCG copied Yugioh instead of Pokemon ngl

>>87565927
Yeah I wonder if Purple is going to be the "Moves get stronger based on what's in the Archive" and Kiara having that stage 2 art was a Coincidence because Pheonix.

>>87566270
I'm glad they decided to ape Pokemon because seeing stats in the thousands range makes my brain brownout in a way that seeing them in RPGs doesn't.

>>87566270
Yugioh is a weird kludgy mess, I'm glad they didn't

New Deck: >>87568190

>>87567077
>Kiara having that stage 2 art was a Coincidence because Pheonix.
Oh I wonder if a Takamori deck will be viable. They might have designed them to synergize with each other.