/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

DING DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD. MEMESHARK IS RECLINING. NIJIS ARE INCLINING. HOLOFAGGOTS COPING AND SEETHING. NIJICHADS OUT HERE WINNING

home sweet home

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

Finana has a fourth tier on her memberships. Here I though Mori's one was the most jewish.

>go against ame comback on first day
>go against Fauna Spore cursed stream on second day also
>go against ame GTA and Gura on 3rd day
Sana please, just change slots my number autism is getting tirggered

>>8663008
>fourth tier on her memberships
is she going to do stuff for EVEry single tier?

Current numbers. HoloEN has a total of 36k live viewers. Sana can actually compete with gremlin and shork.

>>8663108
>Sana
>go against Fauna Spore
falsflagger, at least use Gura's MC streams

>>8663200
She does, but her 4th tier includes a "VA-11 HALL-A Reference." I don't know what that means. I thought the fourth one had like a discord meeting or something.

>>8663359
Debut buff

>>8663445
Gura’s debut buff

Kneel.

>>8663396
she had 19k and gura was 30min after with another 25k

>>8663359
Why is no one watching Gura play Rimworld? Marine did more than double that when she played it.

>>8663108
Smart move. Establishing her own core audience from day 1 instead tourist from other memba. Also ballsy for keep on streaming around the same time gura

>>8663359
at this point im sure Gura(Ame)'s audience are not intrested in Sana. can't say i'm surprised

>>8663359
>14k
Gura is reclining.. numberfagbros I want to go back...

>>8663618
>chumkeks
>watching streams
Rumao

>>8663359
IRyS is going to do stream Ring Fit in about 30 minutes

>>8663683
>Dec 2020 pre-viewcount change numbers
Fuck off falseflagging faggot

>>8663438
>VA-11 HALL-A Reference
is an indi game, but i have no clues what does he mean by this

>>8661940
Maaru last morning stream before graduating
Pomu being a magnet for saviourfags with her health issues
Mimi 100th stream
Yua celebrating her anniversary (with a VERY cute and funny 3D stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p1vhKFUO6s))
Rest are all big names that regularly make the chart and don't need much explanation

>>8663680
Good

>>8663445
>ame
>gura
>kiara 11k
>Debut buff
*sigh*

>>8663680
That also means that Sana can become a solid 10k CCV without having to care about Gura's time slot

>>8663787
Yeah, indie game. There was a few people buying that tier though.

>>8663831
>graduation
what?

>>8663542
Fauna stopped her stream after ~15 min.
Gura fully overlapped with her for 2-3 hours.

>>8663359
Was hoping for clean 10k sweep for all EN forgot IRyS and Sana exist

>>8663618
>Rimworld? Marine
did you even watched it? seems like you didnt

>>8663359
>8k week 1

for hololive? failure.

>>8663618
marine had hololive mods.

>>8663831
is saviourfag buff that strong? she has higher ccv and sc than Elira now and I thought Elira is going to be the 1st branch top dog.

>>8663618
Marine had Hololive character models replacing the default ones didn't she? Also, Gura's audience just isn't interested in Rimworld is what it looks like to me. I wonder how the other EN girls would do with the game.

>>8664032
>solid 10k CCV
She's getting barely 9k with debut buff. There's almost 0% chance she'll be a solid 10k CCV in a month.
In the long run, if Sana can get 5-6k overlapping with Gura and Ame, she would already be a good addition.

Apparently there's no more baseball. Is this it for Nijisanji? Those midgets can't get to 20k without stacking multiple buffs in one stream after all.

>>8664231
yeah nijisanji already went bankrupt rikkun switched to a rice farming business and kuzuha is homeless now

>>8664032
>solid 10k CCV
be objective and lower your expectations for ccv after debu buff. 3-4k ccv after 3-4 month for non buffed streams will be great

>>8664035
>few people buying
to be honest i do not know how much youtube cut members "investments", mb it is just better way to sponsor streamer on youtube then SCs

>>8661940
>YUA
Is she back, lads?

>>8664221
she is in the risk of cancer so yes

>>8664141
Kiara had more than 20k on her first week and now is at 5-8k
Sana will be placed on suicide watch after 1 year

What is a retard like Gura doing playing a game like, no wonder she's getting mogged by Ame.

Sana good bait?

>>8664573
model + personality debuff, they will be a 2-4k streamer tops.

>>8664035
I'm sorry you had to find out this way anon.... she announced it a few weeks ago, her last stream is tonight
>>8664167
Don't get me wrong Pomu's doing very well, but that particular stream earned significantly more than her average and came after complications from her surgery recovery

>>8664573
En1 had entire slots for themselves.
En2 doesnt.

>>8664602
eslchama..

>>8664612
ngl because of these sana post i ended up checking her stream turns out she decent at game gonna sub

>>8664221
We'll see anon, i belib in this aussiefag. She'll get more numbers as time goes

>>8664666
>Pomu
mb she is next Ironmouse of nijiEN

>>8664231
He's selling their bodies as a service behind conbinis in exchange for more bots for the Hikakin collab as I type this

>>8664842
>next
she IS currently IronMousing more than iron mouse herself

>>8663359
kek at this rate sana will become niji en tier

>>8664842
Ironmouse actually gets more than 2views though

>>8664941
sorry, no darkies in nijiEN.

If Sana does drawing stream, she might catches new audience

>>8664970
what about niji?

>>8664767
I meant to bait people.

>>8665104
Ibrahim is brown and an oil prince, Sana is from south LA.

>>8665050
she has 9k against both amelia and gura
she is ok, but she drawing would buff her a lot.

>>8664959
ironmouse is as old as EN so no wonder.

>>8664959
Pomu needs the anituber buff

>>8665263
gwelu...

>>8664321
I heard mito selling cracks at dark alleys on ikebukuro nowdays, kenmochi is on watchlist for lurking around elemantary schools, kanae is on his trans meds, deron on suicide watch, rin become a pimo, and fuwa whoring himself to lonely housewives

>>8665358
gwelu is not a chocoball

Ame ends and...
Gura immediately jumps 1k+
Sana goes up ~500

>>8665405
>kenmochi is on a watchlist for lurking around elementary schools
>fuwa whoring himself to lonely housewives
wait i thought we were joking this is just real life

>>8665609
Pls sana don't reach 10k, don't wanna eat my own words

>>8665674
Sana is bait, mate.

>>8663108
Sana's streaming against Ame -and- Gura and still doing almost 10k, she doesn't give a -fuck-.

>>8665674
Irys starting soon is your last hope, anon.
Her peak today is higher than her peak yesterday with celeste actually.

oh no no no, fubuki is gonna sully her image even more by collabing with this slut. she's already a 5k shitter with low sc. does she want to dive even lower?

>>8666085
forgot link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rLmtgLaQZk

Latest numbers

>>8665948
Or Gura finishes the game before Sana .

>>8664482
Not the Yua you're thinking of, this one is very cute and very funny though

>>8665609
IRyS maybe will be able to stop her

>>8665948
>celeste
could be debuff

>>8666261
I think Sana formed her own audience, mostly.

>Kronii forgot to schedule her stream
That's not good

>>8666481
this is great for cover

>>8666498
number bros im not feeling good

>>8666481
Sana has, but it's WAY too early to say how big it is. Literally the same case as Kiara rn.
Still obv good news for Hololive overall because these people wouldn't be watching rn otherwise.

I want Nene to have bigger numbers ;(

>>8666498
It’s intentional.

>>8663831
>>8664035
>>8664666
She already deleted all her other videos, looks like a career driveg02axn move at least.

>>8666481
Sana basically filtering out ESLs (some SEAs complaining they can't understand her) and chumkiddies.
When Ame stopped streaming it looks like most went to Gura, Sena got a couple hundred and now IRyS started streaming with 5k~

>>8665948
You're right anon, IRyS saved me also she's at 600k already when did this happen?

NijiID male mogging holostars... Holostars mass graduation wen?

>>8665674
That 14k likes will haunt you

>>8667139
>Sana filtering SEA
Fucking based. I now have a new Oshi.

>>8667190
Have you not noticed she's got pretty steady sub-growth? She's not the highest, but her gains have been consistent since her debut buff wore off.
Like, she's gotten 19k subs in the past week.
That's behind only the golden gen(- flare), Gura, and Ame.

So IRyS is approaching 6k yet Gura and Sana have barely lost anything from when IRyS started streaming. That is impressive. Where are these people coming from?

>>8667578
Bigger market now, which is helpful to Hololive.

>>8667578
West coasters and lunchtime JP.
Fuck you and your eastcoast centric mindset!
I kid a bit, but honest to gods the west coast was pretty underserved before IRyS and the occasional late Ame stream.

>>8667756
>which is helpful to Hololive
Except for Fubuki and Towa rotting below 5 and 3k due to EOPs abandoning them...

>>8667939
I mean, those are pretty normal numbers for those 2, especially during this time slot.

>>8667578
IRyS has more Japanese viewers than the other ENs

>>8667939
They never had high viewership during these times.
Also Fubuki is the last person to care about numbers.

Sana 9k
Irys 6k
Gura 15k

>>8668122
Sana gained 1k from Ame and lost 1k to IRyS

>>8668011
Fubuki streams during this time because she knows she has (had) a big EOP audience. Now with the advent of EN2 there are barely any EOP left on her chat. This is a pattern observable with pretty much every other JP holo.

Sana confirmed to have survived dangerous fucking spiders
Based as fuck

>>8668224
FUCKING COOMERS ROTATING GIRLS

Ame and Kronii were both in Sana’s chat before. So I think they both are friends with Sana.

>>8667578
Those people are called Irys's core fanbase, which is why it's always funny when people say Irys didn't expand the market and was a flop.

>>8668428
Might come as a surprise, but I think most Holos are friends with each other LMAO

>>8668532
Nah, they pretend a lot. I think they each develop a closer connection to certain ones.

>>8666922
yeah I basically only watch Kiara + Sana + clips

>>8668461
That makes me happy. IRyS is super entertaining and talented but was dealt a bad hand with her model. Good to know she is getting good support.

So I just realized that there are a lot of missing VTubers from Piyo (primarily outside of the big agencies) and have been prodding around the site to see if there was a way to request additions to VTubers. Ultimately I found the request form in the settings. The form is in Japanese, but it is Translate friendly.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd2HcDnuWDtthFDOsNHeFGhXEZkJMTgYqdwJhKX0SYztCc4pA/viewform

The form options are as follow:
>The name of the VTuber you want to add*
>YouTube channel URL
>Affiliation office / group, etc.
>Twitter ID
>Twitch ID
>TwitCasting ID
>others
>Please enter additional information about the VTuber you want to add, or any comments from the developer. (is it meant to be "any comments to the developer"?)

Of all the form sections, the only one that has the asterisk is the name of the VTuber and seems to be the only section in the form that is required to be filled.

>>8668068
I wonder if the Nips who watch EN are like the self hating weebs on here that only watch JP.

>>8665298
She needs to collab with famous welsh vtuber CDawgVA

So many red supa, irys what is your secret. She not begging to be saved like that fish and mouse. Salute/

>>8669567
>like that fish and mouse.
Who?

>>8669567
one of those is an extatsunoko

>>8669567
*Fairy not fish

>>8669340
Nips who watch EN do it because eigo kakkoi not because they hate Japanese, gooks are the ones watching JP/EN because they hate their own women

Alright Kroni numbers for today?

>>8670036
Won't be breaking 30k today IMO. Frostpunk doesn't look to be the type of game to garner a huge audience.
I'll say 24k max, probably 20-22k.

https://holo.poi.cat/stream/gMVfl0i63rc

These were Botan's numbers playing it in Dec 2020, before the viewcount change. Not looking great, but it's a good test to see her floor.

>>8669567
Because IRyS is a super high spec talent in streaming and singing. Probably the most high spec hire that Cover has done outside of HER. However people were massively filtered by her model so her gachis don't feel like she is getting the recognition she deserves and feel the need to overcompensate.

>>8670036
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/gMVfl0i63rc

These were Botan's numbers playing Frostpunk in Dec 2020 (6k peak), before the viewcount change.
Not looking great, but it's a good test to see Kronii's floor. There's rrats that her roommate has played it before so she might show some competent gameplay.

20k imo.

>>8670407
Gura is going to shoot up that hours watched chart with all these long ass streams she is doing.

>>8670267
>>8670428
hivemind

>>8670558
I deleted my first post to give more info.
Literally all me.

Look at this NUMBER and seethe, holosharts. It's even higher than what Astel gets sometimes. Holosharts branch closure when?

>>8670036
>27-30k

>>8670710
The dwarfs deserve love too!!

>>8670710
>Astel gets sometimes
you are not even trying

>>8670710
You don't even know Astel's or Roberu's average lmao

>>8670710
>Apex
niji shitters one of hell one trick pony

Sana in bait, now time for Kronii

So, based on the early indicators, do we believe that EN2 is bringing about actual growth in the industry or is it simply cannibalization?

Isn’t it safe to say Kronii is the new #1 in EN?

>>8671373
>new #1 in EN
not yet

>>8670939
>>8670957
Here's Astel without scrim/tourney buff, a microscopic organism below a fucking NijiID male lmao: https://playboard.co/en/video/-pB9C0kgY64

>>8662251
>one niji member in the top 10

why are nijiniggers so desperate for validation_

>>8671373
Way to early to say that anon but she is off to a very strong start.

>>8671481
She is currently though.

>>8671373
No, Gura was doing 45-60k at the start with debut buff

>>8671373
#1 in HoloCouncil, way too early to say for HoloEN overall (very unlikely)

>>8671544
>She is currently
debubuff

>>8671642

>>8671373
She needs to make some form of connection with the subscribers

>>8670326
Her GFE game is subtle but is constantly there. She always says something that can have double meanings. I think she knows but says them otherwise. She's also creative with her curses so she can get really salty without really actually getting hostlile. So Asian Salty. You can see this kind of approach in Gen2 as well except for Sana. All are expressive but not Twitch streamer level of aggressive or Kiara levels of dismissiveness. It's appealing. Gen2 and Hope are better translations of what HoloJP can be if turned into EN.

>>8671369
>EN2 is bringing about actual growth in the industry
>cannibalization
take a look at nijiEN just wich full of holo memes.
either holoEN gen2 bring new ppl or everyone fucked.
in my opinion if it brings ppl who left back at portion of them will stay for new girls we Cover alredy won

>>8671518
>posts ID with collab buff barely breaking above 1k vs Astel Apex in the middle of the night that hit 1k
>Astel is the microscopic organism
??

you can have Apex niji shitters, we are fine

>>8671642
The debut buff factor is admittedly lower in Gen2 than Gen1 because all girls have to stream while other Gen1 are streaming. Even if they don't stream at the same time they would be coming from a Gen1 stream and probably have less energy to stay up. Baelz for 1 got 18k max because people can't stay that long. I'm just glad that Gen2 isn't overlapping with each other.

>>8671761
That will not last. After some time numbers will drop to 40-60% of what she was getting with the debut buff.

We can only go by who is #1 in EN currently. It is Kronii. If that changed later, that’s a different story.

>>8671642
You also have to factor in that EN1's debut buff was before Youtube's "improvements" in viewership tracking.

>lesbian with cool voice
Can we assume that she wil have big female fanbase and that's why her numbers will always be high

>>8671867
That's some prime copium, Astelshitter. He's the most viewed homo and yet a random Indo manages to mog his regular APEX streams. Holostars is a failure and Astel will forever remain a midget.

>>8668935
Posted this ages ago but I guess most people here are eops

>>8672227
Nevermind that. She can get a Korean buff if she says oppa to address her korean fans. I see a number of Kr translations ans comments on her chat

>Two midgets fighting with short sticks
Numbers thread

>some shitter falseflagging with Bobon of all people

were there any sub cuts today

Sana always tells her stream about Kronii’s stream just before she leaves.

Well all Nijis and Holostars are midgets. This thread will become Hololive numbers thread if posting about midget numbers is not allowed.
By the way, I think there's nothing wrong with talking about smaller vtubers like Nijisanji, Holostars, Vspo, 774, etc.

Nothing wrong with small number just sad and pathetic to look at

>>8672804
It's just one or two anons shitposting, of course smaller numbers are fine to talk about.

>>8672156
>We can only go by who is #1 in EN currently.
No, you're being purposefully idiotic. Everyone in these threads knows she's riding the debut buff right now.

>>8672780
Kronii retweeted IRyS's stream instead

>>8672804
This >>8672926
There's never been a real problem with discussing small numbers, just noise.

>>8672985
Coping chumpedo hands wrote this. Stay seething

>>8672985
I’m referring to #1 in numbers currently. Which is Kronii. But maybe that will change later.

Were they triggered by another 100k so much?

>>8672804
There's never been anything wrong with it
Just post numbers (predictions, live viewers, superchats, subs, anything) of some chuuba/event you've been watching and discuss it with the other anons who've also been paying attention to it
Ignore everyone else who is shitting up the thread

>>8672804
I'm shitposting because the Astelschizo is very annoying. Imagine how he feels seeing his precious midget shart being mogged by an Indo.

>>8673081
Depends on the context.
If for example you say VSPO got 2k viewers compared to their regular 1k, good for them. But if you say VSPO got 200% viewership increase compared to Holo getting only 10%, you're just shitposting at that point

new queen streaming in 2 min

>number of 100k+ this month

>Hololive: 0

>Nijisanji: 5
>21/08/06 144,515 Kuzuha VCC apex tournament
>21/08/13 147,639 Nijisanji Baseball 2021 Game A
>21/08/14 170,896 Nijisanji Baseball 2021 Game B
>21/08/15 205,448 Nijisanji Baseball 2021 finals
>21/08/25 108,103 Nijisanji Baseball 2021 exhibition

Holobros...

>>8672804
>if posting about midget numbers is not allowed.
It is allowed. I did a 11-20 ranking before. Just didn’t feel like it now.

>>8672985
Tick tock Kroni is starting

Bonchad, have mercy on Fagstel-kun pls, the nigga don't stop inclining

Fine, let's have another numbers discussion that isn't Holo or Niji for a moment
Let's take a look at PRISM Project, specifically 3rd gen member Shiki Miyoshino. It's only been two months since she debuted yet this pup is now the most subscribed chuuba in her company at 75k subs. Other members' sub counts for reference (in descending order):
>Luto Araka: 49.5k
>Iku Hoshifuri: 40.7k
>Yura Rikudou: 20.7k
>Rita Kamishiro: 16k
>Aoi Tokimori: 14k
>Nia Suzune: 13.7k
>Meno Ibuki: 13k
>Pina Pengin: 11k
Now for the discussion part
>What exactly did Shiki do right that gave her such a huge gap in subscribers with the rest of the company?
>What content can the other girls produce that'll help them catch up with Shiki/Luto/Iku?

>>8673423
Oh no she passed today's Gura already

>>8670784
>18k
pls help me

>>8674332
I think this is going to be a hard discussion to have here considering most numberfags are holobronies or nijiniggers who refuse to watch any other chuuba

>>8674332
I dont follow them but does she clipbait? Being clippable can draw in a lot of people without mich effort.

>>8674332
It’s not that you can’t discuss it, it likely more about a lack of interest.

>>8674332
>Shiki
youtube's algorithm is her bitch

>>8667578
It's me and my other 6k accounts anon

Ironic how people shit on "midgets" here when two of HoloEN2 used to have these numbers

>>8667578
actual peak mb not impressive, but her SC reading was 3.6 till the end which is impressive. i bet it is safe to say RFA isn't buff game anymore

>>8674332
Clips clips clips. But also I might be wrong but I think she was a pretty "high spec" pick up for a smaller corpo, she was often in prediction threads for holoEN2 and NijiEN before she turned up there, but she had several PLs with differing popularity so maybe hard to track how many actually followed her into Prism

>>8669567
She is talented utau old guard who's been around for decades. Some of those supas (like mine) are a form of appreciation for the contents i enjoy for the last decade for free

>>8675064
Hard pull numbers against Gura and a new FotM when youve only had 6 weeks to establish a viewerbase.

>>8674332
>>8674569
Holostars tier viewership though

>>8675119
She's average. Just had several covers that blew up.

>>8671840
This. IRyS is like the ideal EN version if hololive

>>8674983
Oh, I recognize some of these.
Kronii's former 2view self, but I don't know who the other one is.

>>8674332
Shiki's introduction video went viral as did the clip of her talking about drinking her own piss (yep, you read that correctly). Clips help draw attention to a vtuber but Shiki is a super high spec talent who is both super entertaining and a fantastic singer so she kept that audience around. In fact she just dropped a cover song today which you should certainly check out.
https://youtu.be/OhoIfPodmE8
I honestly don't know how Hololive missed out on her. If you know her past life (which I will not disclose) you would know she was a huge Holofag who actually covered Hololive songs. How she slipped through the cracks with how talented she is I will never know. Either way she is making quite the name for herself and has shot PRISM up massively ahead of the other small EN startups.

As for the other questions I have no idea. Aoi is a fantastic singer but she doesn't seem to be inclining. Yura is actually doing very well considering she debuted the same time as Shiki and is already 4rd in the company in subs behind only the big three but those three will be hard to catch. Luto is Luto and she just can't be replicated. If you have watched any Luto you would know that she would make the Vshojo girls blush with how crass she can be. Absolutely unhinged and off the wall but that is why she does well. Iku has pandered to SEA pretty hard by collabing with ID vtubers and having ID streams so she got buffed that way.

>>8672354
>oppa
Gook will lose their mind with that one word alone

>>8674332
Shiki
>can sing
>clips
Luto was the previous PriPro queen but she went full retard - she basically stopped being a cheeky brat and turned into a toxic gremlin; not everyone is into that. She has since learned to tone it down but people are still filtered.

>>8675415
Because the channel was removed after graduation. It's from web archive just before that.

>>8673381
Welcome to number thread newfagchama

>>8675207
3.6-6k dedicated (potentially new) ccv
iRys is fine

>>8675324
didnt she debu 1 month ago?

Numbers update

>>8675528
>2.3k watching now
are you trying to falseflagg?

>>8675324
I don't think you understand just how huge those numbers are for the small EN startup orgs. She is so far ahead of everyone else (except for Luto who can actually keep up with her in viewership).

>>8675756
But it isn't day reset in Japan yet, why are you posting this?

>>8675749
So they're going to be even worse?

>>8675949
Actually, in the last few days I would post them quite often. They are updates. Today I didn’t bother.

>>8675324
>Holostars tier
link to her 3D debu pls

>>8675861
What? I'm just showing how good is she doing with SC

>>8675528
>$1.1k/day
Dammit! I should've been born a girl!

>>8675064
RFA is a buff game for the first stream. The problem is it gets old real quick. Pekora only got 22k with RFA last night, which is her median so it's a neutral game.

>>8676058
just asked, anon
ty for stat
ps her SC reading number was 3.6k on average

>>8676110
>Dammit! I should've been born a girl!
Just be HoloEN manager and debut yourself! It's that easy!

I think people are reading Sana's numbers all wrong. She has basically had things working against her from the beginning but is on a decent upward trend. It's too early to tell but she could be a slow burn that people warm up to. Despite what people say she isn't some boring flat normie, she's clearly cultured and has a fun personality. More people will give her a chance when she gets to SOMA and possibly after the Kronii collab as well.
t. Sanallite high on hopium

>>8676133
i kinda want to check noel's last numbers

>>8675885
>how huge those numbers are for the small EN startup
Sana is failure for people in this thread and others are sad for Kroni not getting 30k today

>>8675324
It is crazy that she might pass Rosemi from NijiEN in subs but still have like a 7th of her regular viewers

ok 40 min pass Kronii is 20k+, i guess thi s it anons

>>8676402
She might get a decent buff when Gura ends her stream.

>>8676243
>eading Sana's numbers all wrong
>streams during gura/ame's time
>stable 7-8k+
she doesnt steal their viewers and doesnt decline. if she will be lowest gen2 member with 2-3 k of stable ccv(potentialy new ppl) after debu buff this is win for Cover

>>8675324
200-400 is actually a good number of live viewership for someone with subs in the range between 50k-100k subs, especially considering she's a start-up chuuba and not from a major company like Hololive/Nijisanji/774

>>8676500
>gura 8k
not really.
those are hardcore chumbuds. we saw this shit yesterday

>>8676751
>200-400 is actually a good number of live viewershi
girls from Kawaii pro will get new outfit after geting stable 500+ccv

>>8676775
It's like the portion of Nousagi that are there only for Pekora. They're not going to anyone else. Each Chubba that's been around long enough has that core-core that's not going anywhere barring some really, really stupid shit (looking at you Matsuri.....)

>>8676402
>>8676500
Gura always starts reading SC when Kronii starts her stream so maybe the viewers Gura has minus her 10k core will go to Kronii. Today Gura has 15k so it only boosts Kronii like 4k max?

>>8676878
>Matsuri
yeah but for her 8 hundred(apex turny)

>>8671518
>recent solo stream is 1.6k
>cherrypicks a solo stream from the 18th
Get back to your hole, retard

>>8676929
yesterday
>Kronii 32k+
>Gura 11-15K+
just ppl dont want to watch Kronii now.
mb the fact she sheduled her stream late, mb game debuff((for JPs harder to follow this type of gameplay for example)

>>8676402
It will be lower for Hollow Knight
But bringing that amount of people for a RTS game is still impresive.
Only god knows what will her numbers be once she play buff games.
On a side note, I saw someone on twitch playing 12 minutes and despite being on the top 10 general rank his numbers were lower than Kronii's first playthrough.

>>8676664
I don’t view debuff as a real thing. What I mean is that I view VTubers as either increasing, decreasing, or remaining the same base on ability. For example: IRyS wasn’t debuffed, rather people began to lose interest after checking her out. For others, it goes up. In fact, a year from now some in HoloEN Gen2 can become higher rather than lower.

>>8677276
Is the same time as yesterday
Is definetely the game

>>8676929
Yesterday Kronii got less than 500 viewers after Gura's stream ended

How is Ollie doing lately numberwise? I remember she was called the queen of ID branch or something.

>>8675464
Shiki is a great story to me and I'm thrilled by her success. She didn't get the break she wanted with the big orgs but instead of bitching about it she decided to join a smaller org to build her resume. Well, look what happened. That org she joined rocketed to the top of the mountain as far as the EN start ups go and she is the talk of the town. While her viewership might not be huge she will be the hottest "free agent" and both Holo and Niji will be fighting each other to sign her whenever she decides to leave PRISM. She will be the ultimate rags to riches story in vtubing and will be an absolutely massive star no matter which of the big orgs she eventually joins (and you know she will).

Gura is ending, lets see if Kronii's viewership increases at all.

>all 5 EN2s are bad
>holoJP gen 3 is the single best gen in existence
why is EN scouting so poor?

>>8677594
She's almost certainly going to end up in Niji before Hololive, if only because I doubt HoloENgen3 recruitment isn't going to be up until sometime next year at the soonest, whereas Niji is more likely to have recruitment for new waves sooner.

>>8677553
Usually 2-3k
Buff streams got 5-7k

>>8677692
It isn't fair to compare others to HoloJP Gen 3.

>>8677594
>and you know she will

>>8677692
>Gura is ending, lets see if Kronii's viewership increases at all.
Hasn’t moved yet

>>8677422
Because that's Gura core viewers. I was talking about the viewers that left when she start SC reading

>>8677553
>How is Ollie doing lately numberwise
real question
https://piyo.chats.ninja/streamer/UbeJHn7J
hard to say she didnt stream much. she started her stream in time with Kronii and now has 1k during Omori(mb game debuff)
BUT yesterday she has 2.2k during zatsu wich didnt overlaped with any1 of new girls.
need more stats but.. yeah doesnt look good for her

>>8677773
The only God tier generation of Vtuber

>>8677877
Because EN got their own Ollie now with the rat

>>8677775
is sheindog? asking because holoID has audition right now

>>8677399
>Is definetely the game
Wait, I thought people watch Kronii for her SEX voice

>>8677992
She cant speak ID

>>8677992
Doesn't sound like it
Pretty sure she's a burger

>>8677773
Don't respond to cheap bait. C'mon man.

>>8677971
>EN got their own Ollie now with the rat
they didnt overlaped yet.
btw Ollie is MUCH more well rounded as entertainer

Gura didn't gave any viewers to Kronii

>>8677740
Why would she quit under a year of being signed and piss people off like Rosemi did.
Her year anniversary would be around the time Hololive is preparing for their next gen.
Or she could decide to stay and become a big fish in a small pond.

>>8677775
More power to her. Newfags don't remember that Hololive used to be small as shit too. If she can be the driving force behind PRISM's incline and becomes their Mito/Sora than that would be a fantastic story. Yeah, I know she wasn't the first PRISM talent like Mito/Sora were for their orgs but she is the reason for PRISM's incline.

>>8678173
>no incline for Kronii
Chumbuds are truly devoted to their oshi, lol

>>8676243
I belib anon! Full on hopium on Space future expansion!

>>8677283
>It will be lower for Hollow Knight
i doubt, at least the same, at least for 1st stream
>hollow knight's gameplay much easier to follow for JPs
>Kronii is "gamer" of the group so ppl will be curious how good she in "souls-like " games

>>8678173
I think only Sana shares viewers with Kronii, but that may only be because she goes as far as telling them to join Kronii.

Hololive seems to have a bigger market now. Before pulling high viewers during Gura stream was too hard. Lots of non-chumbuds now.

>>8678241
Have MyHolo fans already gone extinct btw?

>>8678173
It was similar with Kiaras cooking stream, 11k viewers and less than a thousand moved over to the Mumei/Fauna collab when she ended.

>>8677740
Maybe, but like people said Pomu would have never joined Holo because she was a massive Nijifag, if you knew who Shiki was before PRISM, she was a massive Holofag. Maybe she will test her luck when Hololive opens up auditions for Gen 3.

>>8678241
>Rosemi
how long was she in her black company befor leaving?

>>8678173
She already got viewers from Gura when she starts reading SC, can't get any of those core chumbuds

>>8677594
>rags to riches
>The ultimate idol story that makes me cum everytime
Need me some ENversion of Holo previous success. Imagine shiki pull another christmas miracle and kickstart prism project into the mainstream

>>8677594
fuck off tranny

>>8678753
Do you have numbers to back this up? If not take it to one of the shit poster threads fag.

>>8677594
as one pink haired bitch said
>start creating stop tweeting

>>8678937
Aloe?

>>8678424
>MyHolo
God i hope Lili drop that shitty place and join her one true familly with holoID as their 3rd gen

>>8679072
mb, im EOP afterall

>>8678436
Pomu was auditioned for EN1 anon, she said so herself. And Selena is a massive holofags too, doesnt change the fact that both nijiEN and holoEN is a massive oppurtunity for any of the 2views out there.

>>8679250
>was auditioned for holoEN
rejects
>nijiEN is a massive oppurtunity for any of the 2views out there.
truth

>>8679118
I mean it looks like Hololive already picked up one of their graduated talents according to rrats, so not impossible.
Kronii holding 20k steady on what's arguably a neutral/debuff game looks pretty good.

>>8679681
The rat?

>>8679118
>holoID
i mean , they got audition right now..

>>8679681
Yeah, Kronii is strong. Let's look at the peaks of the first three streams from Kronii vs. IRyS.

>IRyS
29,415
21,367
16,139

>Kronii
36,902
33,167
20,925

If you think the post debut debuffs will be equal, Kronii should fall somewhere in the 10-15k range for her normal streams based on what IRyS gets now.

>>8676878
Even the core of the core of a fanbase can still watch other streams. Loyalty means that they're guaranteed to watch their oshi, not that they're not going to watch anybody else when their oshi is not streaming. Sure, they're not going to give up on Gura or Peko, but they might still be a buff for others when their stream ends.

>>8679882
>>8679681
Goddammit lili! Graduate already and nepotism your way into ID3. There's no reason to stay in myholoshitty

>>8679118
>>8680067
But lili is malaysian. They need to open a SEA branch if they want Lily or Lyrica.

>>8679974
anon, ppl need to sleep and work..

>>8680067
Lili is super awesome and she deserves so much better. I hope she gets into one of the big orgs eventually.

>>8680067
Lyrica already has that nepotism ticket to ID3 from ID1

>>8680067
is she so good?

>>8680124
Nobody is talking about 100% viewer transition every time. Clearly Kronii didn't benefit from Gura ending her stream today, probably because as you said it's late for westerners and they need to sleep. I'm just saying that being part of the core fanbase doesn't mean they're not potential viewers for other people given the right circumstances.

>>8680124
nice cope, different timezones exist.

>>8680121
>Lyrica
is lost lost cause, she will be nijien 2.0 with Hana

Incidentally, Ollie had a clear buff in her viewers when Gura ended her stream. A 20% increase in fact.

>>8680300
>cope
? anon, last thing im gonna cope is chumbuds

>>8680121
Malaysia is indon's cousin, same but both too tsuntsun to admit it, so lili joining ID3 instread of lyrica is not much of a stretch.
>>8680181
No
>>8680217
Yes, she is very commit to her kayfabe, can sing korone level cute and also risu ayunda style. Very cute and wholesome too

>>8679828
The rat.
>>8679954
Thats a fair prediction. I want to see what kind of numbers she can pull with a real buff and real debuff games just so we can see what her floor and peaks look like.

>>8680241
She probably did but it just looks like viewer retention rather than increase. People will be dropping off as it gets later, straggler chumbuds help keep the numbers from dropping as quickly. Gura-only will obviously just fuck off and sleep or whatever.

rrat stream is up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olB5J4PfXuc

>>8681319
FUCK FORGOT the rest of my commment
she is streaming near Jp prime time will be interesting to see how many jops and euros she can get.

>>8681358
her previous stream was full of JPs comments

>>8681319
>game title isn't even in English
holoEN, everyone. Is it hard to write kuukiyomi or w/e it is?

>>8681425
It was a zatsu post debut and also alittle earlier.
by that time peko and others are stremaing already.

>>8681500
fuck off go back to global

>>8679954
>If you think the post debut debuffs will be equal
They only get these “debuffs” if people don’t actually like what they see, otherwise VTubers are expected to grow their audience if they’re entertaining enough. In this way, IRyS isn’t an example for everyone else. Having said that, I don’t expect Kronii to grow any (even though I used her today to troll a little bit), because I don’t see her as especially talented at VTubing despite her sexy voice. In fact I expect her to drop a bit after some time. Who do I think will be stable? The less subbed ones: the Rat and Space. They aren’t as high as Kronii, but I don’t think they will drop much in viewers. Maybe even gain but that depends. Anyway, I’m simply more impressed by them. But it’s hard to know because I have my own bias.

I mean does anyone else have one or two HoloEN Gen2 that they expect to remain stable in live viewers? I mean they can go up and down a bit of course, but generally be the same overall. Or even increase. Or are they all bound in two months or so to be lower in viewers?

>>8681358
>how many jops and euros
It's going to be SEA audience

>>8681574
the game title is literally in JP only.

>>8681548
>was a zatsu
it was "rat simulator" game

>>8681601
looks like it will be a jp stream. but yeah it could be.

>>8681500
>>8681605
Ah another case of why sing in Japanese i see

>"dont ruin my authentic EOP experience"

>>8681662
even KING is in English, this is an EN streamer not even putting the title in EN/JP.

>>8681597
Anon, all of them are competent in the games they play and most of their first games are kayfabe related except for Sana playing Celeste first. Push them into minecraft or games that have replayability, and they'll do just fine. One of them is an apex fag, another is an artist. They haven't done those streams yet. 8k+ is optimistic, 10k+ is the best possible case after a month.

>"GOOD RAT CAN READ ATMOSPHERE!"
Fuck off offtopic tards

>>8681837
My point is that I’ve seen many people suggest that they’re all expected to decrease in viewers later on. I’m simply saying that it isn’t necessarily true.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/c98d99e221c05fbbbb51336aad793cb6fbd083da

>>8681999
At least put in some context. No one wants to open a sus link even if it's yahoo.

>>8682039
hololive is the seoncd most popular thing with highschool boys after "tako on air"
According to a survey

>>8682195
To add perspective to the numberfag thread war, Nijisanji was ranked 4th. Hololive is more popular with young japanese which doesn't bode well for Niji.

>>8681597
>They only get these “debuffs” if people don’t actually like what they see, otherwise VTubers are expected to grow their audience if they’re entertaining enough.
Maybe if you're NijiEN or a startup starting low at like 2k, but for Holos and NijiJPs in the past 2 years, we have not seen anyone maintain their debut numbers past the first month because its so big at the start. The closest was Gura, who kept it for 4 months before going from 35-40k to 18-20k in Jan 2021.

If you start with 35k viewers for your first stream, you're going to be losing a lot of viewers each stream until you hit your actual fanbase number, then you stabilize and maybe start inclining again. We literally saw this happen recently with Edengumi. Sana and Baelz did not have that high of a post debut number so their drop may not be as drastic as Kronii's will be.

>>8682195
You left out the most important part
>hololive ranked 2nd
>niji ranked 4th

>>8682266
What about girls? Seems like all those male Nijis would have a lot of female fans.

>>8682266
japanese boys still cannot spend a dime, but if hololive last another 3-4 years
>>8682345
i wanted to avoid the tirbalism.
But also for perspective this is what is the most popular with young japanese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN-x3IRjYZc

>>8682369

>>8682345
what is 1st?

>>8682369
They attracted housewives and fujos

>>8682332
Everyone's numbers dropped in December 2020 because youtube changed the way they counted live viewers.

>>8682429
You expect us to understand moon squiggles? Translate it you fag

>>8682429
Ah yes, everything is clear now. I understand.

>>8682485
It says the most popular thing with high school girls is the pleasure of being cummed inside.

>>8682443
Yes, but you can still see Gura's vid numbers after streams aren't as insane as they used to be. Losing viewers after the honeymoon hype phase is completely normal.

>>8682332
>we have not seen anyone maintain their debut numbers past the first month
I’m not saying it’s common, in fact I’m only suggesting it for two HoloEN VTubers. I tried to factor in what I perceive as their ability combined with whether or not I thought they were being overhyped on launch. I think Rat and Space didn’t launch into extreme hype and subs, while maintaining good VTubing ability. But maybe I’m wrong here and they will decrease.

>>8682485
Come on man. Even if you are an EOP you should still recognize Nijisanji and Hololive.

>>8682485
>>8682523
Pathetic posts for a numbers thread. You know you can use something like newocr.com? It even includes a gtl option for a result.

>>8682443
>Everyone's numbers dropped in December 2020 because youtube changed the way they counted live viewers
That’s a factor I forgot. It helps my argument a bit that we cannot always expect a decrease in viewership. It’s not as certain as many claim.

>>8682345
By whole lot of 0.2%! Wow!

>>8682429
How old is this research anyway? I find it weird to see responses about Coco and Fubuki on top.

>>8682780
When people say their numbers will decrease as debut hype fades, it's usually not a diss or a doompost, it's just reality. It's something we've observed time and time again with debuts from big corpos and something repeated so newfags don't expect Kronii to still get 30k in a month. Of course if she did, that would be insane, but it's very unlikely.

On the other hand, inclining is extremely hard. Most vtubers just stabilize and keep the same numbers for years (like Roboco, a lot of Nijis) and some decline (like Matsuri) and very few incline (Miko, Suisei, Subaru this year and Kuzuha from the latter half of 2020 till now).

>>8683273
>実施時期:2021年7月2日~2021年7月5日
>有効回収数:1047サンプル
Oh. Still weird to see somebody compliment Coco postmortem.

>>8677594
>She will be the ultimate rags to riches story in vtubing
nah that would be Suisei.

Numbers update (for 11-20)

>>8683295
>it's just reality
I’m saying it’s not reality for every Holo when you take many factors into consideration, and not just December 2020 thing either.

>>8683344
Midget numbers

>>8682429
Here's last year's one.

>>8683333
For real, Suzy literally went from having 100 viewers to
- getting 1 mil subs,
- having 91k people to watch her 3D live concert,
- an IRL sololive and
- an album coming out this year.
That 10k+ CCV (30k+ for karaokes) is quite nice too.

>>8683503
Also Youtube genres (weird they didn't include that for this year's research)

>>8683333
>subaru?
>Kanata?

>>8683502
>Midget numbers
By never including them, it likely warps are perspective.

https://youtu.be/BKaVOpaK-AM
Hololive cover songs ranking for the month

>>8683447
Who is the exception you have seen then, if you say it's not reality?
This literally happened to Gen 5, HoloEN, HoloID2, Irys and Edengumi recently.

>>8683694
Don't respond to faggots who bitch about small numbers. They only derail discussion.

>>8677740
If I were her I'd bet on myself and wait for Holo. A lot of the people who made it into Gen 2 weren't exactly high spec, I'd be confident I could beat out at least one of the 5 next time for a spot. If not, it's not exactly like Niji won't keep pumping out waves, so that's always a fallback option.

>Holoschedule for the next few hours
Polka outfit with a cleared slot
>PREDICTIONS
Yesterday I put the over/under on 45k and it should be under or around it.

Also
>RatGirl doing a JOP stream smack in the JP primetime
It will be interesting to see what kind of numbers she gets going head to head with the JP Holos. Pakora didn’t put her reservation up yet but may be right at the same slot

>>8683837
Mori actually does better in the JP timeslot than she does the typical EN timeslot. Rrat will probably do pretty well.

>>8683837
Very different circumstances since it was a relay, but these are the numbers for Polka (and the rest of Gen 5)'s last costume, which was a NYs kimono. Nene elected not to get a NY kimono because she wanted a whole redesign.

This is actually the first casual costume for a gen 5 so I have honestly no idea what to expect. Polka kinda underperformed for her Anniversary 3D a few weeks ago.

>>8683344
>do a samsh collab
>different pov
but why?

>>8683837
>RatGirl doing a JOP stream smack in the JP primetime
Rat panders to a LOT, her chat yesterday, was full of JPs. Kukuyomi is pure buff game in this situation, just like any big western title (GTA V for example) for JP girls.
no matter who will stream she will peak at least 20k+

>>8684057
NY eve was also a relay

>>8684161
>Elira higher than Pomu
Pomu fags blown the fuck out

>>8684177
she is going against pekora, marine and subaru
if she gets 15k it will be amazing but im inclining against a little above 10k

>>8684177
>no matter who will stream she will peak at least 20k+
Peko, Miko and Marine didn’t schedule their slots yet, nor did Rushia. Polka thing will back them all up in the same few prime slots and Pekora and Miko are usually overlapping these weeks too.

I can see RatGirl not beating 20k in a bad combination of “slot neighbors” but even then, if she solidifies good share of JOP audience she ends up ahead anyway because she can just move her slot to (let’s say) 7PM JST and share it with Rushia

>>8678364
i think Sana's a bit more of a gamer than Kronii, at least based on what they've played so far. She doesn't really have the eyes on her to show it though.

She reminds me a little bit of Nene in that regard, surprisingly competent at games given how much of an energetic goofball the streamer is.

>>8683719
Month of July* but it's nice to see these put side to side
#1: Getcha! (2.08mil for the month)
#2: Goosbye Sengen (1.99 mil, Ayame ver.)
It's actually stupid how good both those covers do week to week, still getting 400k views a week. They both also mog the absolute shit out of the originals (subjective opinion).

>>8684440
the algorithm loves them to fuck, literally any japanese song I play I get reccomended Getcha and then Sengen

>>8684390
this girls need to pick one kusoge, bring her spaguetti bucket and do a 11hr endurance stream of it.

>>8684308
Marin, Subaru starts at 20 JST
19 JST is polka's outfit so cover will not allow anyone here
do not forget that this is much easier to get ccv durin evening/night JST for this type of things

>>8684596
>19 JST is polka's outfit so cover will not allow anyone here
I didn’t mean RatGirl moving there today, but moving there in the future when she settles on her weekly schedule and has to choose one JP slot for the JOP stream

>>8684440
>>8683719
with so many covers and originals pumped out by holo every week i kinda appreciate this kind of content, helped me with some covers / originals that i missed
to add some numbers usually holos songs at #20 is already at 100k view/week

>>8684057
Nene still took part in the relay with a joke stream where she used a png. she made as a costume. got 22k views and 4k sc

>>8683719
Who the hell still listens to EN's country road song? It even has 2.4M views already

Weird how Hololive has never done this kind of preshows to highlight their audience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mTMM2-Wf4E

>>8685181
A masterpiece died for that to be born
https://youtu.be/eQjqJ6Ch7EI

Likely as part of securing the rights to make the cover they had to private any non authorized one, like this from Haachama

>>8685372
They did pre-shows like this for Holofes and Bloom IIRC but just like regular stream layout, not the extent of this.
Niji goes pretty hard promoting Raindrops, they have numerous MVs with anime snippets.

>an interesting “hole” right now with no Holos streaming for the next two hours
Maybe a company wide meeting?

>>8685741
Regular dead zones. Probably busy with IRL stuff like events, dance/voice training and stuff.

>>8685372
imo Voltage doesn't sound that good. Raindrops is an album right? Did they upload a full song on YT yet or do they wait till september?

Reid inclining. Future prince of indies?

>>8685466
This is the best Haato cover that was privated

https://youtu.be/iLhojlD0I94

>>8685822
holobros, im sorry...

>>8678157
Also timeslots
Rrat is deam obvious she wants to pander JOP
So I doubt Ollie will lose her spot with EOP.
On the other hand, rrat seems to be a fun little experiment.
If she really succeeds to pander with JOP and reach a point where she schedules more JP only streams than EN ones despite debuting as an EN AND manage to do that without failing like Kiara then it gotta show how the HoloEN tag really overwelhms any other tag and the theory that Ollie may be doing 10 better if she debuted as an EN instead of ID may be correct afterall.

>>8685993
>10 better
mb 5 better

Well it doesn't look like EN2 got any more sub cuts today so it seems like Susan stopped fucking them over

>>8686036
Eh around that point I guess. She's competent in Apex, Minecraft and also a good talker. Could get a solid 8-10k if EN. I wonder if Cover would rebrand HoloID as HoloSEA in the future. I figured they could achieve more or less the same success than EN or the west while also getting additional sources of talents. Plus, it's cheap.

>>8683837
IRyS tried that 21 JST time slot for first subnautica stream iirc and her numbers is below 10k mind you she's also pander to jop to some extend could be game choice but still

>>8686336
Subnautica is a debuff game for many Holos (Marine, Pekora, Gura...etc) , and Irys is no exception. She gets a solid 5k playing it so it's not too bad.
It's basically her floor, at least when there's no overlap with EN2.

>>8686242
potentially depends of results of next holoID audition, but i have hard time to belive they are going to "kill" brand of holoID. +girls in holoID really like their culture

>>8685822
That new model really does wonders for Reid
The stream for the reveal was actually pretty funny
Also, for any Nijifans who've been following their music production, what's so special about Rain Drops that they're the most promoted group considering they've also got other groups signed under different labels like Trinity and Morinaga?

>>8686474
Well, they don't have to kill holoID's name. Just make it a sub-branch under HoloSEA or something. Next year, they'll audition for chuubas from SG/MY/PH or Thailand something. SG is as much first world than other western countries and those guys are freaking rich.

>>8686614
SG is fucking small though, their most superchatted youtuber list is a fucking joke and unlike other countries in the region their cultural awareness basically ends at their borders.

>>8663008
>>8663438
Late, but VA-11 Hall-A has a character called Streamer-chan who sells $99.99 dollars memberships, in essence it's a meme tier with no perks.

>>8686614
>Just make it a sub-branch under HoloSEA or something
this>>8679118

>>8686156
Let's not jinx it...

>>8678247
You mean Luto.

>>8686992
Broadcasted. Free concert?
can fill 8k https://www.bellesalle.co.jp/ariake_event-hall/information/hall.php

>>8685822
Is that really Toko's numbers when she's not leeching? I though she's more like a mid-tier Holo having around 7k viewers on average.

>>8687114
https://piyo.chats.ninja/

>>8686555
I don't really know why Rain Drops is so focused on. I guess its just because of member dedication, they're all pretty musically inclined members. I don't watch any of them outside of music releases or the occasional collab with the boys in Rikiichi's case.

>>8686555
Because the people involved wanted it.

>>8687140
I went to listen to the first song. "Musically inclined" huh
The quality has dropped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSw-xKUobbA&

>>8687337
Welcome back from coma.