/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>8638032
If she talked in her singing voice all the time she'd already be at 1M, there's too much competition for the high pitched genki act

>>8638032
Post more SSEX RRAT. That's it.

we need more rrat lewds

>>8638032
Honestly move to 5ch, they really like her over there. Already the Nousagi's Gen 2 of choice.

The less we are the better the community is.

>>8638032
She just needs to stream during NA primetime, not when everyone is sleep or getting ready to sleep.

>>8638325
Please, I beg you, leave us a new chuuba, we're tired of having only Kiara...

>>8638032
I like the rrat, she’s like a better Ollie with a bit of Gura
She and Fauna are my favorites of this gen

>chaos
>less chaotic than Ollie
explain brratz

>>8638032
>timebeats
I like Kronii but dislike Mori and hate how much this is true for a large portion of her fanbase.

>>8638173
Why is that? Because she says YABE every once in a while?

>>8638447
You can have Sana
She seems like she doesn't want to stream during good hours anyway

>>8638554
probably because she keeps talking in japanese, which in turn annoys eops.

>>8638606
they must love kiara then

>>8638032
Unacceptable? That's less than expected thanks to Fate fame and design literally centered around huge tits.
Now add her voice and that entire fanservice plus egocentric personality.
She WILL win. Her only competition is Owl who is the exact opposite, starting from being extremely boring.
Baelz is 3rd which is much more than I expected.

>>8638173
Based nousagis. I'm this close from dropping Pekora for the rat

>>8638032
I like her design and her weird voice, but I get the feeling she's going for a character she's not quite the best at. I don't dislike her, I'll check back in a little while to see her when she's more comfortable with streaming.

>>8638032
She's kind of tame for being an embodiment of chaos. Just a generic genki, a very basic normal-seeming girl with not really a lot of edge to her. Her "chaos" is .. just being cheery and normal, mildly energetic. People will say, "well at least she isn't hyper annoying, she isn't scream-talking like ollie or super-zoomery like some NijiENs" and that is true - I'd much rather have the rrat she is and am not meaning she should be zoomery or tEh PenGuIn of DoOm waffles LOL XDDD. Saying she's okay but just not as spicy as I thought is a way better review-so-far than it might have gone, she easily could have become hate-able but no she's still very cute and lovable, just has room to grow.

I mean I thought she'd be much more mischievous, banter-y, gremlin-ish, emotional? She is kind of at the same emotional state all the time - cheery and slightly-elevated from neutral. She doesn't say anything particularly clever or banter-y, just talks about what's going on on-screen. Seems too afraid to shittalk the game or chat or anything really, she feels very safe and PG, kid's cartoon character basically. You'd think for someone whose design fucking hints at /here/ with the Peko key necklace, and her canon description.. she would have been a real interesting/live personality to watch (like Pippa but not as brazenly ballsy/foolish) and instead she's rather ... calm? Ordinary?

Then again all she's done is a zatsudan and played that crappy rat game just because it's the first week and it fits the lore, like Gura with Maneater or Ame with Superliminal. As it so happened Maneater is a boring stream to watch after 20 mins and Superliminal is a really entertaining stream so Watson simply lucked out with first impressions. Rrat tried to do what she could with the rat game but it's clearly a kusoge made just to fit the slew of low-effort joke simulator games out there started by the goat one.

>>8638032
I wouldn't worry. If Kronii is Mori 2.0 it won't be long before the complaints start pouring in about Kronii not keeping to the schedule and canceling streams to focus on music.

>>8638032
Maybe don't get mogged by Haachama with your own theme the day after your debut

>>8638879
do you really expect someone to go full haachama in the first week of their debut?
that's literally an one ticket way into the ban hell
even Coco was pushing the limits with her news thing before the management had to put a stop to it and forced her to milk reddit for content

>>8638879
hopefully she'll be moreso when she starts to relax into the new position

>>8638032
pray that she gets a good alt outfit

>>8638032
more ogey less rrat

She streams in japan times. She really should be a JP hololive.

>>8639285
I think you mean HoloAUS.

>>8638879
She's completely miscast. Her past life is not like how she is now. Its like asking Reine or Botan to play an chaotic character.

If Hackos can create an Order themed OC, that she can play into every once in a while, perhaps even get an alt outfit for it, it will help her a lot.

I like her but maybe she should stop streaming at ID times if she wants to be popular

>>8638662
what about Anya or Iofi?

>>8638032
>demands respect
I thought respect is earned, is this how privileged people think in 2020?

>>8638032
>timebeats
I love Kronii but dislike 5%. I'm a teamate btw

>>8639118
>do you really expect someone to go full haachama in the first week of their debut?
Watson did it in her debut.

>>8638032
Honestly kronikeks are already whiny and toxic in every thread I've been in, just enjoy your oshi and be supportive

>>8640041
dude they don't exist anymore, they're dead from cumming to her tits.

>>8639544
>I like her but maybe she should stop streaming at ID times if she wants to be popular
Yeah, I don't know who she's streaming for aside from SEA, Aussies and Taiwan. The first couple of weeks are the most crucial time for a new Vtuber to establish their base and Rrat is streaming at times when everyone in the west are either asleep or at work/school.

>>8639946
>someone who was both sleep deprived and high on caffeine acted out of their mind into a surreal debut
Yeah you got a point

>>8639946
And how it went?

>>8638032
Get a voice actor that doesn't sound like an electric grinder at work

>>8638032
Is she ESL like Kiara?

>>8640116
To be fair her genmates aren't much better aside from Fauna.
>impossible times for EU
>sleepy times for eastcoast US + Canada
>wageslavery times for JP

Who the fuck is supposed to watch this besides commiecoast trannies?

>>8639478
they just needed a better idea of how they wanted "chaos" to be played, she understands that it isn't "WOWOWOWOW" all the time but hasn't got her act together yet. There's also the issue of how to be intentionally chaotic without looking like you're copying certain other holos

>>8640142
It got attention which built interest to see how she'd do on her next stream, which she knocked out of the park with something she knew well. (Valorant)

And then she flexed her GFE with Superliminal and created an army of loyal goslings.

I'd say it worked out in her favor in the end.

Convince rat to stream at better times for NA and/or tone down her auto-translating. Those are the only real criticisms I've seen about her.

>>8640167
She's either Asian-Australian or one of the SEA counties that has the English twang to their English, so she's either ESL or learned both at once growing up.

>>8640200
Chaos, in a Holo and in a non garbled fake-random way to me = mischief, pranks, smugness, shittalking banter etc. That just ain't her. Not sure if she's aus or kiwi but if she's aus it's her national heritage to be an explosive shittalker and she's failing them.

You would think. You would think. You WOULD fucking THINK. That someone bent over backwards to be not just a rat theme but with a key-necklace matching Peko's padlock to make it 100% she is a living Ogey Rrat, and is supposed to be an embodiment of chaos - that she would be 10x more spicy and zany than she is. I expected something at least kind of like Pipkin Pippa (not as actually-insane as her, but a Holo equivalent) and that's not what she is. I kind of like her anyway as her turning out to be a tame sweet girl despite that look/expectation is a sort of gap moe in its own way. But everyone was expecting her to be balls-to-wall spicy gremlin and she just ain't that, not so far.

>>8638032
off topic but Susan actually unsubbed me from the rrat?? I main sana but I'm subbed to all of them.

>>8640745
Susan Wojak does not care about Hololive.

>>8638606
But it doesn't annoy me

>>8638553
It's the le deep voiced big booba anime girl you were always going to attract that audience. Also she's missing is the /u/shipper and everything will be in place.

>>8638545
Clearly, you don't understand chaos

>>8640182
NEETs like me

>>8638545
Ollie "chaos" is just yabs and being annoying.

Actually sticking to the theme of chaos could be a lot of things, some of them gimmicks some of them personality. For example rrating, like straight up /vt/ rrating, is itself fucking chaotic. Hakos could start a rumor mill type of thing going, making up dumb but cute/harmless rrats if you will. Sure that might actually take planning and accepting risk but really, risk is part of chaos, etc. Maybe even make it a little segment of some kind of chaos stream kinda like asacoco etc - like just tack it onto the end of an ordinary game stream unannounced, nobody would expect it. Teh chaos etc. Hell she could pull switcheroos on her schedules for TeH KhAoS too, not moving times but changing what's actually going on what day. Guerilla streams? Perfect thing for her, etc. Imagine if it was all guerillas and her only promise was you'd get some kind of stream 5 or 6 days a week etc. Everyone would be wondering what she'd do next etc.

I would think the instrument in the way of being a more out-there kind of Holo is easily EN management and Cover itself. Why even do her character then, it's a seiso """chaos""" rat. Not a fun cool rrat. Lame.

explain to me what rrat means please anons

>>8642750
Used to just be the other part of ogey rrat, but a little while ago someone in Global pointed out "you can't spell narrative without rrat" and thus a piece of slang here was born.

>>8642919
Also narrative posting was already a big thing in Global at that time and it was just called 'narratives', so 'rrat' was a convenient way to shorten it while also being a memer fuck about it.

Ogeyrrat as a thing itself was kind of losing steam by that point so rrat was a way to basically immortalize it as forever-useful for something.

>>8638032
> literal rrat vtuber
> least amount of rrats in her gen

>timebeats
>chumrrats
Any more?

>>8640745
Youtube is trying to kill gen 2 so hard their subs, VOD views, and comments are all fucked.

>>8643100
Kronii has none either. It's just the other 3 that strike as yabs to us.

>>8643195
In the future numberfags will post numbers and ask "WhErE DiD It gO wRoNg?" completely ignoring what YT is doing now.

>>8643316
Good.

>>8643100
>doesn't go around starting rrats about cover/other holos

They don't have to be mean at all, it'd just be funny. Like "a little rat told me Yagoo only wears briefs!!" or "I heard on the grapevine that Amelia Watson spilled a ton of ketchup on her keyboard during a collab, and cuz she didn't have time to clean it off got her hands all ketchupy playing on it!" and so on. You know, fun/funny stuff that would add a lot of personality - she seems nowhere close to this kind of thing whatsoever however. Sana is actually more of that-type. They're both Oz people, maybe they should have just swapped their models/lore, that would have fit better. Too late though.

>>8642919
ah okay thanks i haven't been doing my /vt/ reps recently

>>8638879
The problem is she's kind of half assed at being chaotic. For the embodiment of chaos, you either need to be all-in Pekora style or you need to be the complete opposite for that moe gap, similar to Towa.

>>8643243
kronii has rrats tho

>>8645393
She basically is Pekora in temperament.

>>8638032
Why would you do this to yourselves?
My oshi's threads and discussions went to complete and utter shit as she inclined.
She's already in Holo. Even if she fell behind everyone else she'd have the numbers and funds to continue as long as she likes.

Chaos as acting like a spaz is unsustainable. Truly and unironically study 40k for ideas of Chaos which is a lot to do with dismantling Order. She should grief on stream with a VPN in various online games though.

>>8638981
>focus on music
too busy fucking her boyfriend
damn i wish i could watch it

>>8643316
>spacefag coping

>>8638032
desu, watching her debut... the little gameshow thing was really cute, but >isn't this just ollie is a hard thing to get pulled in by.

>>8638662
5ch actually hates Kiara
They were particularly annoyed way back in the Holotalk with Fubuki where
1. Kiara said she's been in the idol business longer than she has. 5ch took it as Kiara thinking she's the senior because she was an idol in her past life
2. Kiara mentioned she doesn't want any more members joining in the holo talk. 5ch took it as her wanting to monopolize the audience instead of thinking of Hololive's growth
That gave her a bad early impression and her rep as someone with a terrible personality took root. With Kiara having a somewhat abrasive sense of humor in collabs (joking put downs are her forte), the hate goggles just made it seem like she was dissing everyone and made her impression there continually worse

>>8649300
Not that I'm doubting but do you have any sources for this? I'd love to read 5ch threads about JPs opinion on Kiara

>>8649386
Random google searches
https://egg.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/streaming/1610880910/
Post 343
https://egg.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/streaming/1604680188/
Post 263
https://egg.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/streaming/1611969118/
Post 411's replies
https://egg.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/streaming/1609102060/
Post 430 and its replies


Much less recently, but I think they just don't really follow her anymore unless she collabs with JP

>>8638032
I guess it's her just trying to play the chaos thing but the way she's constantly changing the way she talks is annoying, I'm sure she'll drop that soon enough. Also she should have been flat

>>8638032
She could stand to do more crazy shit (actions rather than funny noises) to be more in character, but with just a marshmallow reading and rat simulator kusoge, there's not much room to do so
You can tell from her temperament that she's a nice person though, which is the first step to being able to troll your friends and genmates without any hard feelings
I like her though

>>8642553
>>8640536
Why does this demand exist for Baelz and only for Baelz? Do you people also want Kronii's personality to be "time" related somehow? Or Gura to be vicious because she's a shark? This shit doesn't fucking matter. She's already at peak chuuba energy level before it becomes annoying like Ollie, and without forcing it. She fits her design, she doesn't need to force the cringe lore.

>>8640536
Pekora too was the most innocent and shy child back when she originally debuted. Now people go watch her first stream and go "who is this sweet pure cutie?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEE5FmQ_7co

The assigned themes are like training wheels for new gen members to hang on to as they discover their true identities under Hololive. They can still be used later on, but they give way for the new streamer personalities as they develop stronger.

>>8656209
because hakos is actually inspiring.
Nobody's bothering with Kroni. She just doesn't have that potential in her personality.
Gura embodies sealife-like attention span and primal strong. . . IDK how to put it. Spirit.
Look man, it just works.
Plus she maintains immersion to the lore in her conversations better than any other vtuber, which admittedly isnt saying much, but is a distinct lead in that department.

She needs to put her butt on my face.

>>8663382
>Gura embodies sealife-like attention span and primal strong. . . IDK how to put it. Spirit.
That's about as flimsy as baelz being chaos because she's the most genki in her gen. And it doesn't need to be more than that. Never has been.

>>8638032
Look at Kronii's boobas, those shits slap hard and brought coomers. We can't win.

>>8666160
Its not an argument, its an observation.
Dont be an idiot.

Make her fuck Roberu on stream once she gets a 3D

>>8638173
So all she has to do is pull a bunch of Minecraft pranks and befriend an Indonesian?

>>8656209
Buddy, these are virtual girls running YouTube channels. They don't exist, they are practically imaginary entities. Just because there's a real person behind it should not matter; Vergil isnt real and Daniel Southworth isn't Vergil despite doing the voice work. So why are these girls treating the avatar like any other smartphone camera?


For some its just another camera to broadcast on the internet, Rushia does this to great success on her channel and her roomate. But then you have a natural like korone, whom the avatar is not only a camera for her stream, but also a show where she plays anime dog-girl in an anime world with her anime cat-girl friend who plays games with her. She plays with her props and her friends as if she's in a totally different world where she isn't some shy shut-in who lives with her grandma. Ame is also another natural where she plays around with her avatar, blending in British TV characters from Dr. Who, Monty python, and Sherlock Holmes. This lore bullshit needs to be expanded upon, not by the fucking management but by the talents like Balez; they need to take advantage of this to separate themselves from being just twitch thots with live2D.