/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Guess she'll have to be graduated now.

Also fuck Cover.

>>8611313
They're gonna do the same thing they did to Coco, aren't they?

>>8611385
Most certainly

>>8611385
Aside from dick and butthole jokes did Coco ever really go far like criticize cover's brainlet decision making? If so based Chicken

the only gigastacy in hololive, fuck cover

>>8611272
They're gonna replace her with IRyS. Calling it now.

What happened? I don't keep up with Kiara.

>>8611272
What happened now

>>8611600
This makes sense on account she was debuted during Kiara's single debut.

>>8611600
They should just give Kiara's channel and model to IRyS and say it's a new reincarnation.

>>8611630
She said EN management are a bunch of assholes for writing themselves in as the gods of Hololive.

>>8611735
She sounds jealous.

>>8611735
I mean.. They technically are though..

>>8611776
She sounds based

>>8611630
>>8611647
Basically had the balls to say what everyone else was thinking and critcized Cover for making Gen 2 copies of Gen 1 but made them Gods to try to 1up them

>>8611865
No one else seems to have an issue with it.

>>8611776
Yea pretty much but she's still right and if you saw the stream you could tell her genmates agreed completely

>>8611905
Because all the other girls aren't petrified of losing their numbers. Kiara is threatened and is lashing out like a cornered dog.

My respect for Kiara is growing.

>>8611905
How fucking new are you on here?

>>8611987
This. She is just mad she is going to be watched even less now.

>>8611905
Because lore doesn't matter much after the first stream, so people and management won't care about her opinions on it either.
If she can work her criticism into a stream bit and shart new "lore" from it, then that's a win-win.
The phoenix who envied the gods.

>>8611735
>>8611865
of all the things to criticize, she goes for something as insignificant as streamer lore, and you praise her for it?

>>8611865
Why does she even give a shit? Is this bitch actually that bitter. I agree that the lore for EN is dumb but its really not that serious

>>8612057
>rrat
nah. it was a joke

>>8611987
Unironically this. Kiara has always been a numberfag.

>>8612062
It doesn't make her any less wrong. Yes she's bitter, envious, and competitive but Gen 2's whole design is lazy and over ambitious with the whole lore and Gods part.

>>8612099
>Is this bitch actually that bitter
Yes.

>>8612099
Kiara is petty as shit. You should know this by now.

>>8612087
>>8612099
it's much deeper than that i think
shes basically saying she was forced into the phoenix avatar; and we all know how shit that design is.

>>8612087
Anon please stop being so emotional before reading posts. Gen 2 is just a copy of gen 1 but with them as Gods

anyone have timestamp?

>>8611865
Ina was clapping it think. I was surprised because she helped pick this Gen, but stil cringes at the “lore”. This Omega fag must’ve been inspired by that embarrassing developer self insert, as the boss in the Haachama game that made her cry. This entire Gen is that moment expanded.
https://zsylver.itch.io/coexist-forever

>>8612262
So? The only things that really matter are the design, voice and charisma.

>>8612099
>irys happens but her twitter is down
>kiara "being funny" by being a bitch at her
>kiara does the same thing to gen2 EN

Kiara hates anyone she perceives as a threat but gets away with it so far by being le quirky german girl.

Kiara fucked up in hindsight. She inadvertently criticized Gen 2 and now she'll have a harder time collabing

>>8612369
It was really hard to watch her treat IRyS like shit during the gartic collab..

>>8612364
I agree with you but it's still worth criticizing if it's that noticeable. It just wasn't in Kiara's best interest to voice when she has to work with them. She could've just came here instead and called them all tranny niggers.

>Poking fun at chuuni management is bad
I dont like her but this is pretty inoffensive. Look back at other managers- A-chan is just a human, Stars-guy is a jojo chara so within the normalcy, EN Manager (true) is fucking G-O-D (but considering that his name has reverse order more like DOG)
People on board were already complaining that instead of human+ as streamers we have transcendent beings and personified concepts

>>8612099
kek, she's like this from day 1

>>8612226
She was a last minute addition, she was hired 1 month before debuting
And she still had creative control over her model, she even has the most intimate relationship with her artist
It's her own fault for choosing the aesthetics of her model, she could have easily asked for anything else and Huke would have obliged. She chose the retarded fast food chain outfit herself.

>>8612484
IRyS is really nice too, that's why it's kind of messed up.

>>8612519
>It just wasn't in Kiara's best interest to voice when she has to work with them.
I'm sure everyone has encountered or worked with someone like this before. But she's the quintessential person that bitches at everything at work and sizes up all the new recruits.

>>8611987
Basically this. She is on 2k avg nowdays

holy samefag

How does a KFP member react when you're just enjoying the stream then Kiara suddenly makes another content for schizos to chew on, do you guys just don't give a shit at this point? Cause I just want to watch comfy streams and not give a shit about drama but she keeps doing it again and again and again. whatever.

>>8611776
Sounds like it, but then again the design is just too much

>>8612484
I did not believe the rrat that Kiara hates IRyS but seeing how she treated IRyS made me dislike her a lot. There's a certain line to bullying your friends and what she did was over the line.

>>8612226
Nigga wasnt this bitch was the one that tweaked the huke's og design a lot!? I remember kiara herself saying she plays a lot on the changing of her avatar last minute

Whole thread is just eggs replying to each other.

>>8611731
>Kiara's sexy af model with an actually decent voice behind it
I would dedicate my whole life to becoming a Niji anti just to see this happen

>>8612921
What did she say?

>>8612484
This was the last straw for me to totally unsub her. She cant keep get away with the ESL meme. Been following IRyS and love how excited she is at every little chance of interaction she got with her senpais, and this bitch... Dammit i wanna punch her right in her petty cunt!

>>8612921
How she treated her really gives credence to the rrat to me. She keeps treating IRyS like shit.

>>8611731
Or just swap the models, kek. Kiara would literally kill her self.

>the amount of eggs in this thread
lmao please, Kiara shares the same feeling with have for that chuunifag Producersan making themselves a god avatar without doing shit like achan or shinove

If they introduce new jp gens with these shitty lore backgrounds I'm gonna bury myself alive

>>8611272
chuunifags must be put in their place, for once i agree with Kiara.

>>8612541
Dont be a petty fag, it just for fun. Look at how fun pekora,nrushia, watame, even fucking ame and mori, played out their chara lore.

a german woman on her period is scary indeed

>>8612843
You don't need your oshi to make yabs for schizos, they're capable of making up shit themselves. This thread is a case in point.

>>8612199
I like Kiara overall, but this is her one trait that will always keep her from being a daily watch for me.

She's SUPER bitter and petty. It stems from her massive insecurities. If you look up her past life she has tried and FAILED a BUNCH of times in entertainment.

Granted she was like 16, trying to be a idol in Japan, as a foreigner. Maybe if she started at 12 and pedobaited like most idols. But even then the racism there would have held her back. So she was chewed up and spit out like 99.99% of the "idols" japan has.

I understand how that could affect someone so young, so I get how she could wind up so bitter. But honestly it's very tiring to see her burn a lot of her energy on this when she gets so much love and support from her Gen mates. She could really do so much better with a little therapy.

What did Kiara do to IRyS? I don't watch any collabs that involve her.

>>8613103
She could have redeem herself on their 2nd model cause there is no fucking way it was huge aesthetic. She shouldnt have tempered or even voice her opinion on her new model.

>>8613294
Just watch IRyS pov then

>>8611735
Ba... based? Based.

Hasn't Kiara said in the past that there shouldn't be any more EN gens after them?

>>8613294
Nothing just talked over her like she does with everyone else but anti-KFP schizos are gonna schizo

>>8613269
Listen I'm just sick of her treating IRyS like some unwanted dog the family just got. IRyS is such a sweetheart and for Kiara to keep being this much of a bitch to her.. It boils the blood honestly.

>>8613394
Gatekeeping? Based.

>>8611554
multiple times

>>8611735
Based.

>>8613445
lose weight

>>8613445
Kiara is just being petty because Irys had Cover's backing for her covers and original songs, while she kept doing originals and covers with her own money
you can feel the passive aggressiveness in her voice in that collab, she did not hold back in any jabs when interacting with her
Kiara needs to realize she needs to stop trying to validate herself with these covers and actually see she has a fanbase that supports her

>>8613394
Yes she said that and now she seethes hard.

>>8611272
Kiara is retarded.
Is the Council kayfabe silly? Sure, and they all know it, including the girls in EN2. But it's also harmless, and only slightly more annoying than the lore that was already forced into vtubing, with everyone being a necromancer or space elf or anime character.
Then you have shitbird, whose career and prospects were deadended living in Japan, win the lottery and get a spot in HoloEN. She could've streamed video games and superchat readings for the next 5+ years and comfortably retired on her earnings.
But no. Chicken had to be a numberfag. Suddenly just having a good job wasn't enough. She had to have more viewers, more subscribers, more everything. She had to prove she was the best girl Cover hired, and that all those shitty jobs she worked whoring herself out before Hololive weren't a reflection of her actual market value.
Compare her to a girl like Ina, who actually had marketable skills and career success before becoming a vtuber. Ina doesn't give a shit that she's the second least popular English streamer. She has fun, makes good money, and unlike Kiara, isn't completely consumed by an inferiority complex and need to prove she's the hottest girl in the room. Because Ina already knows she has merit, regardless of her numbers.
I'm not even an anti. I watch Kiara regularly. But she needs to get the fuck over this chip on her shoulder. When everywhere you go is full of shitty people, the only common denominator is you.

I don't get how there aren't more haters in her streams. Do people get removed from chat?

>>8613551
Shit nigga. You really gonna say that while scarfing down 40 cheeseburgers a week?

Did any of EN2 ever refer to Kiara as senpai? I feel like all of them added senpai to their seniors' names, including EN1, but not Kiara.

>>8613671
At least give us a segway between Kayfabe and numberfagging, kinda jumped topics there anonchama.

>>8613773
Kiara personally watches chat like a hawk for anything negative about herself. She is this petty.

>>8612843
where is the drama you speak of?
>do you guys just don't give a shit
Yeah pretty much this.

>>8613171
It's whatever with the talents themselves eventhough they went overboard on the EN 2 lore with all the god shit and detailed backstories.
Just give vague lore and let the talents build off of it, like Pekora the bunny girl but she is from Pekoland or Watame the sheep that can also respawn every 15 seconds.
But having chuuni shit lore with the fucking managers lmao??
This will literally only end in shitstorms like pic related.
Can you imagine a big EN 2 yab happening and then seeing THE OMEGA AND THE ALPHA GOD having to apologize on twitter and promising to us fans that he/she/it will do better next time kek.

>>8613810
It's actually retarded how Kiara appears in the new gen's chat and receives the obligatory praise when Kiara seethes and hates her kohai.

>>8611272
I love this smug bird

>>8612783
I guess there is a reason why she get antis everywhere she goes, they even kicked her our of MMORPG guild because of "false rumors" you need to know when it's better to stfu instead of ranting about your insecurities.

>>8611272
despite her numerous flaws she can be based sometimes

my favorite part was when everyone in the collab lost their shit when she called management chuuni. she's fucking based.

Kiara knows the pain of performing on stage to an empty/bored audience, not getting any traction and watching her popularity/relevance slowly die.
and she wants to spare her friends from feeling that

>>8611272
I'm normally a Kiara anti but jesus this has convinced me otherwise. Based chicken

>>8613799
>You really gonna say that while scarfing down 40 cheeseburgers a week?

I wish I had that money anon chan :(

>>8614033
Sounds like some of the new management is retarded. Even Gura was talking about management roasting her about getting game permissions.

>>8612940
She mentioned that her avatar was already made but it had to be personalized somewhat since they made her into a cosplayer that kind of looks like Kiara irl with Asukas hair...

>>8614138
Don't we all..

>>8612484
Didn’t watch the collab because I can’t watch anything featuring kiara even if i wanted to but i had a feeling she would do that. Can someone spoonfed my dumbass on what she said to irys.

>>8614045
schizos and antis btfo
I'm at best, and that's said in the least rude way, not a fan of Kiara, but I know her past and that sounds legitimate
She experience the worst of the worst and cares about others
Maybe she's retarded with stuff like literal numberfagging live in front of Shion but I don't think she's aware of that
She's right this time and you shouldn't say she isn't just because it's Kiara

>>8613601
I haven't watched the collab, she seems to want to be nice from other times she has talked about Irys, but I could see her being upset about cover not giving her help.

Before Sparks came out she asked people to stream it a lot "this time because it's important". I think she wants to be a V-Singer as well and is trying to get cover to acknowledge her.

As I mentioned she's been trying for YEARS to become an Idol. So yeah this kinda lines up. I honestly don't think she has ACTUAL hatred for Irys, but if she was being kinda aggro she might be harboring resentment. I doubt it's on purpose. I don't think she's VINDICTIVE, so much as just insecure and doesn't know how to process it.

>>8612361
Like at 57:00 during the ttrpg/gartic phone collab

Every time each girl seems to have a weaker member in EN1, that girl turns it around and makes themselves better. Don't think EN1 will ever be surpassed.

>>8613671
Why are takofags like this

>>8613870
Yeah... that's kinda cringe but will be extreamly funny desu

>>8613049
She implied that IRyS is bad at drawing for making stick figures

How does she do it?

>>8614202
Should've gone with that! Tf kiara!? I mean it's fuckin ASUKA! with Huge OG aesthetich for fuck sake!

>>8613671
Sorry she made fun of your giantess gf, Ina

>>8612685
>And she still had creative control over her model
Absolutely not true
Models are done before they even hire the new Gen

Does anyone have timestamps of Kiara "shitting on" Irys in the gartic collab? I wanna see it for myself but I find that "game" to be so tedious to watch in real time. The only interesting part is the end of each round.

>>8614611
Literally the Trump of vtubers

>>8614345
She is right until the part where she mentioned they were made so to "topping" gen1

>>8614673
It never happened. Kiara just talks over her but she literally does that to everyone

>>8612099
Kiara is petty and the kind of person who gets butthurt over the new gen being stronger lorewise. Even KFP will admit that.

>>8611272
I admire Kiara's pluck.

>>8613909
wait what?

>>8614670
Actually that's not true either. Some have a lot of input and others don't. It varies between them.

>>8614774
It was more like IRyS being shy since she's so out of place and Kiara trying to carry the stream.

>>8614649
Asuka cosplay is kind of a trauma for Kiara...

>>8614673
It's a rrat

>>8614352
Than she shouldnt have signed up with hololive and go for a Vsinger agency or go indie like many Vsingers are. If she wants to be known as a singer, do your fucking singing reps, use ur shit ton of sc to make more covers and songs! Instead of fucking complaining instead of thankfull just cause ur song didnt get insta 1mill in a week. Look at watame and look where she is now! 1.5 year in and she has her own OneManLive!

>>8614921
y-yagoo?

>>8613269
I'm pretty sure they forced her to quit because of a certain anti, Kiara have a personality that just activates this types.

>>8614721
I -THINK- she meant "topping" like how games/movies constantly have to increase the scope. Look at the OG spiderman movies, they increased the villain count each time, Dragonball went from fighting bandits, to tournaments, to armies, to aliens, to ALIEN ARMIES, to literal fucking gods.

Everything these days is about escalation instead of actually coming up with new ideas.

Look at the rest of hololive, they just come up with different themes. This was almost a direct escalation instead. From mythic creatures to a council of primordial beings. It is kind of an attempt to "up the ante"

>>8614921
Some of Gen 1 didn't have songs while she had 3 or 4. It just seems incredibly petty to complain about it when Gura got 1 original song and Ame and Ina got none.

>>8614879
Godammit kiara...

>>8614879
oh my god, I forgot that happened.

>>8615011
They are in charge of paying for their own song productions.

>>8613394
She said that one more is okay actually but she want's Hololive to remain compact so you don't get overwhelmed pretty much it wasn't a terrible take, most holofans don't want to follow the niji route of over 9000 chuubas and it seems like the management also feels this way.

>>8613445
The constant petty sniping Kiara does to Irys is definitely annoying. I don't think I've ever seen Kiara be genuinely friendly towards Irys, she's always sarcastic and dismissive. Because she's bitter that Irys stole the spotlight from Sparks of course.

>>8614172
>new management
It's P-san
It was always P-san, he's a fucking retard

>>8615011
Ame doesn't even seem like she wants her own song (so far at least) given her not being so great at singing to begin with, and Ina just dropped Violet.

>>8614670
Holos get to have a lot more creative control over their models since gen 3

>>8614921
It's just kind of an awkward look to complain about views like that. Watame doesn't even get the song views that Kiara does, but she works hard, does her reps and got to the point where people actually buy her music.

>>8614984
I didn't follow it at the time, all I know is that she says the other members of her unit and her were left in the cold by management for long periods of time. This is a rather common practice in the idol industry. Promise them a lot, under-deliver CONSTANTLY, don't let them know when or where their next opportunity is till the last minute. They actively work to string them along and leave them confused and desperate. Pay them shit cuts of their intake to make sure they can't make it financially, which again forces them into desperation. It's a common manipulation tactic.

>>8611630
>>8611647
>>8612361
Watch for yourself and make up your own minds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VGI7x9F0s&t=3383s

>>8615111
Not true IRyS stole much more but then succumbed to the pressure of Kiara's assistance of rigging models into 3D influenced by NASA research and when Gura came into the circle. It was all over.

>>8615011
Nobody just GETS songs though. If they have an original song it's because they themselves spent the time and money to make the song, not Cover. The Idol Project songs are the only exception.

Kiara will literally never stop complaining. The KFP try and try to gaslight people but Kiara always ends up blowing their arguments by being incredibly spiteful and petty. She's just a shit person, always will be.

>>8615197
nothingburger as usual

>>8615011
Again it's because it totally up to them to use their SC on producing songs and covers. IF they want to be known as THE singer, then they should put their efforts and resource in doing so. Calli already shown it within their groups. If Kiara want to advance her career to the singing side of things, then fricking put efforts into it, and dropped the stupid voice while you singing for a start. It's totally up to them to choose their path like how marine and FBK choose the radio/announcer path and Subaru choose the Idol path. She has no right to complain when she barely putting any efforts and money despite the amount of SC she got. And again dropped the fuckin chimkin voice when u sing ffs

>>8614921
Fucking word, just look at Suisei and how much effort she put into becoming an idol.

>>8614673
>Kiara drawing Irys
>Notes her ears
>Realised Irys hates Santa cause she is an elf who quit cause if sexual harassment
>Tells Irys later
>They laugh
>Later they have passionate sex (not rrat am kiara)

>>8615133
>Ame doesn't even seem like she wants her own song
Probably because she can't sing all that well. She can probably do a meme song though.

>>8615197
>that awkward segway about being hungry and eating kiara's fried chicken

You just know they were uncomfortable

>>8615106
I agree with that take. They should stop hiring for now till a whole gen graduated in a year or two. But it's cool for side projects like IRyS tho

>>8615197
She's pretty clearly poking fun at management for making a bunch of deep chuuni lore shit for gen 2

>>8614202
The way she brought it up it's most likely pointing at Sana because they seem to talk a lot behind the scenes.

>>8614673
The part that stuck out to me was Kiara sarcastically telling Irys her art is amazing when Irys drew stick figures but really Kiara was just passive aggressively shitting on Irys the entire collab. Don't listen to KFP trying to cover for their oshi being a spiteful bitter cunt.

>>8615305
SEAnigger, do you know how many songs kiara has released and how many views they get?

>>8615197
>ame defusing another situation

Absolute based pacifist ame

>>8614879
Holy shit, I didn't want anyone to remind me of that... That's "unironically sad"-tier stuff...

>>8613810
She probably asked them not to call her senpai. I think IRyS called Kiara senpai and then corrected herself in one of her earlier streams. I think it's pretty dumb though, because it makes them look like they disrespect her when they call the rest of EN1 and other holos senpai.

>>8615335
only true post in this thread

>>8614846
She talked about it on the first post gen 2 debut stream she was in a guild but was pretty much pushed out of the game due to some drama it just keeps happening with the fenix I honestly wonder if she have some sort of autism because she likely keeps making the same mistakes over and over again.

>>8615466
Nah it's funny as fuck and well deserved.

>>8615353
A good songwriter could just write something with her limited range in mind

>>8615466
yeah that's the kind of memory that causes physical pain when it surfaces

>>8615305
She has put money, and you say all this but Irys got a lot of backing from Cover to make all those songs after her debut.

I'm not saying you're wrong about her having the ability to do something about it herself. She totally does, and has put in effort and her own money. But you can't ignore that Irys got a lot of support for that. It's not really fair to tell Kiara that she shouldn't have applied for EN1 when there's no way she could have known the V-Singer thing would happen a few months later. Doubly so considering Hololive's JP branch has completely ABANDONED the idea. How many years has it been since Azuki? They had Suisei but left her out to dry so hard she folded and became a regular hololive member even though she never wanted to.

>>8615528
ame could probably sing well, she has a pleasant voice, but she has no training and she's clearly not confident enough in her voice to really try

>>8612422
>>8612519
to be honest if anything this is preparing them for how the rest of the world will treat them as hololive chuubas.
still not great of her to do but i dont think they'll be against collabing with her just because she criticised the set to the lore, im pretty sure the girls know that the lore one upsminship is stupid.

>>8615472
When discussing generations in EN, Kiara said EN wouldn't have generations, and that's why we have the Council and not Gen 2. To reflect this, Kiara didn't want to be called a senpai. I don't think the others in Myth really care about it enough to tell the newer members whether or not to call them senpai.

>>8615442
Not enough if people still didnt recognize her as THE singer. Tell your oshi to put more efforts and sell herself as singer better if she wanna progress kfptard

>>8615528
she's not a songwriter. the most we've seen her do is playing with a recorder in her past life

>>8614879
Kiara fears the wrestling chads

>>8615466
she was like 16 too, being manhandled by someone at least like 10 years older than her.

>>8615690
I wasn't talking about her writing the song

>>8615690
Some members get their songs written for them. As anon said, >A good songwriter could just write something with her limited range in mind
Pic is the credits for Violet.

A perfectly good thread is about to go to shit because of roommate posting. A classic.

>>8615901
>Some members get their songs written for them.
I'm pretty sure everyone does

>>8615615
It's not really the chuubas, but rather the management. There were the rrats of Coco not being able to get collabs with EN or Ina not being able to collab for a month last year. I don't think management will be that petty though as to prevent collabs, but certainly it wouldn't be on top of the list.

>>8615197
I love this Gura's "Oh ou" when Kiara began to shit on their management. Chicken gives me this aura of retarded slut Sachi from Nana

>>8615960
If they think something will debuff their talent's brand they will absolutely be petty. Problem is what they might consider a debuff might actually be a buff in the long run.

>>8615604
Like.i.said. there's fricking ton of Vsinger agency in japan when she was still there if she wanna progress that way. AND AGAIN FFS! IRyS got supported CAUSE that's what being A.VSINGER.MEAN! if kiara wanted the same support she can quit and joined a Vsinger Agency, literally nothing stopping her. What kiara did by complaining is giving fans like (you) who unfamilliar with this industry, the wrong idea and can damage IRyS and her Project Hope reps. Imagine if Matsuri at the time complaining about Azki for getting supported with 3D models, covers, Singles, and concerts from cover instead of her. It could shed a negative light on Azki's reps. Does it make any sense now?

>>8615604
Well life ain't fair, if there is no obvious profit to it its hard to justify funding everyone attempt to become a singer. I mean irys living in JP probably played part in Cover support to her vsinger schtick because they expect profit to be made in future concert, meanwhile EN are continent away with covid doing its best to make it harder to support them.

>>8615663
>EN wouldn't have generations
a generation by another name is still a generation.

>>8615901
Lumina will become vtuber btw

>>8615355
they're all completely autistic and not comfortable with each other or any sort of personal interaction in any case

>>8615934
Reminds me of normie niggers on social media who don't have a rebuttal so they'll just look at something from your profile to judge instead

>>8616149
Tell that to management, oh right you can't cause Kiara made shitting on them a bad thing.

>>8616047
People act like this is new. Haachama has literally complained about every other talent who's ever had any overlap. This is why she's posting "CHAOS" over all her videos right now. When Coco debuted she complained about someone else being better at english, when EN debuted she was putting the hashtags in her videos.

Do I think they need to be that competitive? No. But each and every one of them has tasted failure and struggled for relevance before getting into hololive, it's hard to lose those battle scars.

>>8615847
Tell me more about the kiarape

>>8616287
hownew.ru

>>8616115
AGAIN. it's not about where IRyS is nor it's her "schtick". Being a Vsinger literally means you got full supported on your singing activities. She got supported BECAUSE she is a Vsinger.

>>8616149
It was actually Mori who talked about generations in EN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLMpUMR3K78

>>8615958
The ones that are more musically talented/inclined dont.
suisei, watame and kanata are good examples although suisei's new album is on a 6:4 split in terms of originals

>>8616047
It's not so much a debuff rather than petty retaliation from management. Since this whole lore thing and the new omegaa is the pet project of the en management/producer, they have the potential to take criticism more much personally.

>>8616287
it's one of the easiest things to search up because of how retarded the original uploader from before hololive era is.

>>8616085
Kiara has not complained about the V-singer thing other than mentioning she wished the position was posted when she was auditioning. She has never "thrown shade" on Irys or her reps only crazy people (you) think that way. Also I know about other agencys you gatekeeping sperg, you're not the chosen one who knows more about it than anyone else. Those agencies are largely dead ends. Hololive gives their talents way more security, financially and with support. Nothing she's done has the effect you imply at all. Stop making up shit in your head.

>>8616267
I like those scars, gives them personality.

>>8616115
I didn't SAY life is fair, it's not. I'm calling a spade a spade. You can point out a fact as a fact.

>>8616287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIle1RcXPwI

WTF. C*ver blown the fuck out.

>>8616287
Her roommate wanted to be a JP idol and one of the newer fads back then was to do amateur wrestling. She was told she would be wrestling a girl but when she showed up it turned out it was a setup by the hosts and wrestlers, the opponent was some creep that publicly said he wanted to do unmentionable things to her and continues to molest her in the ring until the event is over. Unless there was another event I'm unaware of. But bait and switch was (is?) pretty common in the JP idol world.

>>8616410
Management needs to be less self-important and retarded.

>>8616410
I really don't understand why management thought they should be vtubers. A-chan is an exception, she was personal friends with Suisei since early on and one of her many functions was to communicate with the fans. Management is literally supposed to be behind the scene and above the fray so they can actually manage the talents and the brand association.

>>8616630
Based Nipponese chad

>>8616583
That's some of the worst cringe I've seen on here, I genuinely feel bad for her.

>>8616795
yeah it's pretty fucking awful, and pretty common. I bet you 80% of the Hololive girls have similar experiences.

>>8616742
>Suisei
Sora

>>8616856
>>8616742
Yeh I just realized it while rereading it, was Sora.

>>8616742
>RRAT TIMELINE
>Skeleton staff for hololive EN
>HOLY SHIT THEY BLEW UP
>Need to hire more people, where are we going to get people with little self respect to manage vtubers and pay them peanuts
>Find a tool
>tool NEEDS to make themselves relevant
>plans autistic chuuni lore with themselves

>>8616536
Well, I guess we agree then? it's just bad luck and a continent away problem that tied both Kiara and cover from getting what they wanted.

>>8616935
Yep. It was Loserbait all along

>>8616742
Because they need someone to be the face and shill. For the same reason they won't let the vtubers keep their personas from before is the reason they have to make them chuubas: Control.

If the company does some shady shit and they fire Omega, the person behind it could come forward but how do they prove it's them? It gives them plausible deniability as well as preventing the person behind it from being able to raise themself up and take any clout they build with them when they leave.

lmao Imagine going to a Hololive EN meet and greet while you cosplay as a certain wrestling legend, what would the reaction be?

But I'll give her this, the whole omega shit is cringe, either elaborate wtf the point of omega is or fuck off it's just a vtweeter account at this point sprouting lame shit and doing nothing for the girls.TJMJW

>>8616742
There are actually two rrats; he's either an actual producer or THE producer in Cover or he's just a music producer but from outside of Cover. Both ways are messed up. The former you already touched on, but the latter means someone outside of Cover had the clout to make Cover create an entire personality for them just so they could hang with the girls and/or be a vtuber.

>>8616583
Jesus fucking christ this physically hurt me to watch, both in cringe and feeling bad for her

Based Kiara
I will sub to her again

>>8617133
I think it's simple, they have A-Chan, the guy for holostars (i forget his name), and now Omega. The idea is to have a corporate mouthpiece who doesn't have their own face or voice that they can take somewhere else. You realize that "producer" is a mostly meaningless title that can range from "making music" to "I helped introduce two people" or "I put up some money to help this get made" right? It's the brownie points of job titles.

>>8616583
This made me laugh harder than I have in ages. Thanks anon. Fuck Kiara.

>>8615934
you're right it's a fucking classic
>>8616287
>>8616583

>>8616583
You just destroyed this thread faggot

>>8617249
>"producer" is a mostly meaningless title
Normally I would agree but from the interview it seems this producer actually had some control. I recall he or she also basically took credit in creating the concept of Holo En.

>>8617300
remember she was like 14-16 at the time of this event. i get hating on someone who annoys you, but realize that this was incredibly fucked up and shit like this fucked her up pretty bad. it's pretty evident. you're laughing at a child...

>>8617380
>but realize that this was incredibly fucked up and shit like this fucked her up pretty bad
Good. Maybe I should tweet a few pics at her, just to remind her that she'll carry it for the rest of her life.

>>8617380

>>8617428
you're right. i forgot people here are garbage.

>>8617300
>>8617428
Its my personal guess that this is actually a KFP trying to falseflag as a shithead anti simply because I have enough faith in humanity to believe people dont actually think like this

This thread smells like rotten egg.

>>8617470
Anons on 4chan are garbage people? no fucking way...

>>8617529
I mean sometimes I forget because people seem reasonable for like 10 straight posts.

>>8616457
Goddamit! Rewatch her stream then reread my comment

>>8617568
At least 4 of those 10 actually weren't reasonable and just confirmation bias. This is your chance, save yourself, exit the window.

>>8617510
>I'm incapable of forming any actual argument in response to criticism so I'll just call everyone eggs
I would ask what living as an NPC is like but you probably aren't even capable of answering.

>>8616742
It's nothing new anon, nanashi and riot's manager has their own avatar and an extensive lore too

>>8617529
>>8617568
>KFP outing themselves as twitter tourists
OH NO NO NO NO
Tell us more about those mean anons on the 4chan, trannies

>>8617505
I have to agree, there have been too many Kiara anti posts in and out of Kiara general that look like they came from the fingers of a mutated product of generations of inbreeding, I refuse to believe someone that retarded, mentally handicapped exists on this board.
Although the schizo antis did impersonate her on twitter to spread doxx using the OTHER Holos Twitter tags, so they're basically just trying to one up each other at this point, eggs and kfp.

>>8617622
You're probably right. I just wish there was somewhere to talk about Hololive that wasnt the corpo-dick suckers of reddit, or the crazy incel psychopaths of 4 chan. There's literally no part of the community that isn't toxic in some way or the other

>>8617647
I don't recall clicking any of your dialogue options, faggot. But I am glad calling eggs an egg gets a (You)

>>8617693
It really is bizzare. The most low life antis and most bait biting / falseflagger fans. Such is life though, the antis have already been relegated to the laughingstock of this board.

>>8617687
bro ive been on 4 chan since meatspin was actually funny and millhouse was never a meme. these boards used to be somewhat usable at some point. completely unfiltered but not 100% psychopaths. those were the days. now its all children and KKK members posting how they want to kill all minorities and shit thinking they are cool and edgy, meanwhile it's the most tired boring played out shit.

>>8617698
What more of a discussion that you want? we already have people fully agreeing that cover is shit, people who think its just kiara being menhera, people who agree the lore is shit but don't agree with kiara and people who agree with kiara but think the lore is fine. Grow a thicker skin for fuck sake.

>>8617788
kys nigger

>>8611630
Based Kiara. If Cover will really ax her, she'll be welcome in Niji, where she has an actual friends.

>she will never ever have to pay rent

>>8617812
Lets do it together

>/vt/: fuck management!
>Kiara: fuck management!
>/vt/: what a fucking seething bitch LEAVE MANAGEMENT ALONE wow she's so bitter about IRyS
The shitposting in this thread is too much of a stretch, weak effort guys

>>8615465
Ina*

>>8617847
/vt/ is full of high schoolers who never grew up. I don't know why you're surprised.

>>8611313
>she'll have to be graduated now.
dreams do come true

Can't wait for /vt/ to seethe when absolutely fucking nothing happens out of this.

I don't want to say she should graduate, but I think with her outspoken nature, theres a couple of groups that Kiara would fit in better with than Hololive.

>>8618080
Nothing is going to happen for a while at least. Just like Coco graduating.

>>8618080
>>8618126
I'm still waiting for the mass exodus from hololve that anons were talking about.

>>8618080
orange woman is too powerful. she does as she pleases.

>>8618080
Kiara already struggles to crack 5k viewers all this does is cement her slide into irrelevancy as EN2 start competing with her

>>8618080
>nothing happened
>Kiara decline into avg 2k-3k view
>se..seethe /vt/..

>>8618018
she should've graduated 10 times already according to eggs. its astonishing that they haven't run out of copium yet.

>>8618356
not this week, she'll be saved by mk collab

44 deleted including replying to himself to roll out a dox? It's schizo but I've seen better.

Mori was gonna shit herself laughing in that clip. Based birb

>>8618292
Why are the orange ones the most powerful?

>>8614611
By catering to a cult fanbase who loves saviorfagging? She has three threads all for the same topic. KFP is fooling no one.

>>8615197
57:46 is the exact moment they all realized they went full sperg mode and it had to be Ame to cut Kiara down.

>>8618428
>can't stand on her own merits
s-seethe eggs

>>8615197
I love how Kiara basically shat on everyone's gimmick including Gen 1. She is truly the Coco of EN

>>8618753
it's clear she was only saying what they were all thinking lmao

>>8615197
Holy shit I just realized Ame uses her roommates voice when she asks her if we're all bottoms

>>8615197
>gura nervously looking over to ame

>>8619203
Oh nyyyoooo my poor cute and funny meme shark

>>8615197
I didn't hear her say anything wrong. Sounded pretty fucking based to me.

>>8615197
I don't even watch Kiara but I'm glad she went and said it. Not as high effort as Haachama's pisstake though.

Next time they will announce that they are LEAVING and making their own vtuber corporation.

>>8614352
I mean Cover posted the countdown for IRyS on Kiara's birthday, completely overshadowing her song. Even if it wasn't IRyS' fault, I can definitely understand Kiara being pissed off at management. She gives them money so she can have a song for her birthday, and in return, they stick the middle finger up at her and draw all attention away from it to announce a VSinger, which is literally just a VTuber except they DON'T have to pay for their songs.

>>8615197
she's basically /vt/

>>8618428
>Goddamit! We'll get you next time Kiara!

>>8611554
Not really. She expressed her opinion, but generally also looked at it from the other side and provided arguments for both views. And generally concluded that she can understand the decision.

>>8611272
Kiara is .. actually cool as fuck. Damn.

She also cares way more idol kayfabe than anyone else there, so probably also thinks their hiring practices for EN2 were questionable at that. Probably she doesn't blame those girls for existing, they have a right to do what they want and their ignorance of what's a yab or not is not their fault. However, Cover was at fault for bringing them in to inevitably get exposed and also smear their own company image in yet another way only like.. 2 months after Coco? Big brain, as Kiara would say.

>>8619127

>>8619659
All the while Ina is quietly seething at her left because her nepotism is getting exposed hard

>>8619646
It's the voice anon! The fucking chimkin voice! I would took it seriously if she didnt on/offing her chimkin voice while being serious. That shit shift the tone of the context she tried to deliver completly

CHAOTIC CHICKEN

>>8619127
It was Ina you fucking retard.

>>8619515
I wonder what Kiara did to upset Cover because yea that sounds pretty shitty on their part

>>8619203
she's looking at chat when she does that.

>>8619737
Ina's model is completely motionless while Ame's mouth moves

>>8619512
>no more permission begging
>same fun streams
Yes, please. I want the permission arc to finally end.

>>8619737
>>8619791
Oh wait you're right anon it is Ina who asks her that. I apologize I should work on my sensory reps.

>>8615238
IRyS just gets songs though.... That's like the main reason there is so much hostility towards her.
She literally gets preferential treatment.

>>8611385
I don't think they have the balls to do it. Coco cared too much about her genmates while Kiara would probably drag everyone down with her. They should've killed it right off the bat like what they did with Aloe. It's too late now.

>>8619646
Coco did come off as ambivalent but then again I guess they didn't do her dirty like they did with chicken

>>8619703
Ina and all her retarded management friends should be given the boot.

>>8611272
I'm starting to wonder about management on the EN side. JP side seems fine. The girls seem happy, or at least content for the most part. But En myth still seems confused and out of place, and some of the things that are said lead me to think that their management isn't thinking about helping the girls enjoy themselves. It seems like they're thinking about big production and gimmicks. That kind of backwards priorities comes through in stream. The girls need to be happy. If the girls aren't happy, the fans aren't happy.

>>8619742
Idk maybe along the line of messaging Coco on Discord saying Coco should not have been put through what management been doing to her, Coco didn't even paraphrase it and that stream was public not the members one either.

I don't expect people here to be smart but this thread is particularly retarded

>>8611272
She is exceptionally based for being the only genuine Hololive in all of EN1. Did you see how Calli broke down into nervous laughter and clapping while the others froze in silence? Your oshi could never stand up to their cooperate overlords.

>>8615197
That's it? Fucking seriously? This is what made a 250 posts thread? Man, you shitposters are really starving for rrats.

>>8620051
I'm willing to bet there's close to no communication between the JP and EN staffs. Whoever joins EN gets thrown to the wolves.

>>8611600
I can't stand yet another sleepy HoloEN streamer. Kiara is the only one made of pure emotion and chaos.

>>8611735
They are so fucking dumb for doing this. Hololive EN1 are the only ones that feel level-headed.

>>8620399
Kiara does nothing but whine about random shit for hours on end. She's the vtuber you go to if you want the experience of a cucked henpecked husband who has to listen to his shrew of a wife complain about how the neighbors wife got a Mercedes and you only got her a Mazda.

>>8620467
When she whines about management and reveals the bullshit they do, it's based.

>>8611272
Kiara is based, as usual

>>8620467
Thats Cali.

>>8620467
It's more like the experience of watching a girl whine about her life while she's doing worse than you.

>>8620548
Kiara has soaked up hundreds of thousands of dollars from her tranny enablers. She's not doing badly, she's just a menhera whose success turns to ash in her mouth the moment she notices someone doing better than she is.

based menhera take, still won't watch her shit ever though

>>8620587
To Kiara - nothing is good enough. In that state - you can always be more satisfied with life than her.

>>8620214
Gura was probably the worst about doing her "oh no"'

>>8620548
>worse
do you mean better?

>>8612484
I personally love bully EN1. They know they're on top and are ready to haze.

>>8620051
It’s not just you. En definitely feels more miserable than jp. Jp definitely feel like they have a social life outside of hololive. They talk about meeting friends for lunch or going to amusement parks.
Not to mention holojp have a lot of vtuber friends outside of hololive.
Meanwhile EN is forced to live a secret separate life where they only have a handful of people they can trust. Not to mention they are pretty different people so friendships may not even happen.

‘Alphonse Omegle’ previous work experience.
https://youtu.be/7IqNz__e59w?t=3685

>>8620791
I said what I said. Kiara is the queen of never being satisfied with her own success and being happy with what she has.

I'm mostly kidding though - I really like to watch a fuck up who's never really found lasting success in life like Kiara. It makes me feel like I can make it again someday too./spoiler]

>>8620496
No it is not. She should just quit if she does not like it. She is in one of the best positions in whole vtubing and others gladly would take her spot.

>>8615197
>Mori laughing her ass off

>>8620863
That has to do with EN being a collection of broken girls more than with management. Kiara has traumatizing small idol job, Calli lives in the dumb trying to make a living with her rapping, Ame childhood stories paint a crazy background, Gura feel like an autist without friend, Ina probably just lonely.

>>8613773
Kiara doesn't have that many haters, it's just 12 schizos here and a dozen more on some discord and that's it

>>8617847
They're mad because Kiara is the only one who speaks her mind and their oshi just bows down.

>>8611735
She's right.

>>8621069
I disagree. They have their quirks but I would hardly consider them broken or even socially inept. They seem pretty average to me.

>>8619127
Retard doesn't even know which girl is which. Go back to your /r/containmentboard.

>>8620863
Part of that is just sheer distance I think. In Japan like 70% of everyone else there is reachable within a day-trip potentially via train, bus or bullet train. HoloEN is scattered across the fucking globe. Some of them probably only know each other purely and exclusively online (or maybe all traveled to Japan once for a final part of the audition or something, who knows). Only Mori/Kiara actually offpako'ed and even that is now a pain in the ass to repeat too. Not sure if management could do much to fix that at all. That's not to say I like much else of what they've done either however.

>>8615197
>it's fucking nothing
every single time.
schizos will keep trying.

>>8611776
She is.

>>8615663
It’s dumb because the senpai-kouhai lingo is pretty liked by weebs. It makes no sense to discard it when it’s something silly that weebs love.

>>8620972
The type of people who like to bring up all her past failures as a dig against her are unironically fucked in the head. The most endearing aspect of any human-being is the will to keep trying even when things don't work out at first. I have to imagine they're neets that have literally never tried to accomplish something difficult in their entire life.
Being knocked down over and over again and still getting up isn't an example of weakness, that's true strength.

>>8620972
Kiara is more successful than a lot of HoloJP and HoloID...
Maybe you're one of those losers?

>>8620214
I would definitely not call that nervous. Shocked, maybe, but Calli's clearly loving this.

>>8621315
i totally respect the never giving up aspect but the whining and complaining part while trying to getting up from being knocked down however

>>8621250
cope nigger

>>8620106
Yeah, I can see Coco's enemies within Cover turning their ire on Kiara over that, especially saying it publicly.

>>8621437
>Get fucked over
>Keep moving forward, but give a fuck you to who/whatever fucked you over
Uhh, you're gonna have to explain to me what's bad about this.

>>8611272
are trying to say holoEN managment is not good?

>>8621315
You've misunderstood - it's no dig. That's exactly what I'm saying - I admire Kiara for getting back up and trying again and again.
She just needs to learn to be ok with what she has rather than feeling bad at things not being better. She's right to bitch about management fucking her though but it's not really fair to take it out on Irys when she presumably did nothing wrong.

>>8621357
That's right - but she doesn't think in that context and only really compares herself to who's doing better than her and feels bad because she's not as good as them but if she was the Kiara of 2 years ago she'd be amazed at how far she's come.
Absolutely.

>>8621677
>it's not really fair to take it out on Irys when she presumably did nothing wrong.
Never happened.

>>8621315
this. I have a huge amount of respect for Kiara for basically achieving her dream. She's talented in multiple areas and doesn't take shit from anybody. I've been inspired to resume my nihongo reps because of her.

>>8621736
That's what I felt watching the Gartic phone colab - I don't believe it was intentional but Kiara is massively salty about sparks and it really leaks out from time to time.

>>8621801
Alright, let's just make a list shall we?
Didn't want to do a solo collab with her first because she wanted to involve Irys in a full HoloEN collab beforehand, thus organising the first gartic collab.
Wanted to do the Maro Kart Tournament for weeks, but then deliberately delayed to when Irys came into the picture so they could have a full 12 man lobby.
Invited Irys into the 4 man guerilla collab, and this one in particular is notable because HoloEN very very rarely do guerilla collabs.
You are retarded, banter is not hate. Actual malice from Kiara would be if she just ghosted Irys' entire existence and pretended she wasn't even a thing.

>>8621878
Kiara hates IRyS but also hates herself enough that she'll put herself through something she dislikes if it means she can shit on IRyS.

>>8621801
Alright, let's just make a list shall we?
>Didn't want to do a solo collab with her first because she wanted to involve Irys in a full HoloEN collab beforehand, thus organising the first gartic collab.
>Wanted to do the Maro Kart Tournament for weeks, but then deliberately delayed to when Irys came into the picture so they could have a full 12 man lobby.
>Invited Irys into the 4 man guerilla collab, and this one in particular is notable because HoloEN very very rarely do guerilla collabs.

You are retarded, banter is not hate. Actual malice from Kiara would be if she just ghosted Irys' entire existence and pretended she wasn't even a thing.

>>8615197
How the fuck is that a problem? It's not even one-tenth of Coco's level of daily yab.
OP is a faggot.

>>8621943
>Unironic SHE HATES HER posting
Remove yourself from the genepool.

>>8621943
Fuck off retard.

>>8621944
Ok take a step back mate and calm the nipples - both things can be true.

Kiara can want to make Irys feel welcome and make her feel part of the club.

Kiara can also be extremely salty with management about Irys' debut and how that impacted her birthday and sparks - and that can also leak into how she talks to Irys in my opinion. I don't think its intentional at all.

You're greatly exaggerating my comment here.

>>8622028
>>8622041
Stay mad and blind to the truth

>>8622146
Nigger. Humans can express more emotions than binary hate/love.

>>8621588
>keep moving forward, but give a big fuck you to your current workplace who picked you up from being a literall who over some petty shit
There, fix it for (you) anon

>>8622064
Why is always the social autists that try to psychoanalyze?
>Ah yes, all this playful banter is clearly a deep psychological scar from Kiara's past resurfacing to take it's vengeance out on poor Irys
Just stop making shit up and imagining things, Kiara is fine with Irys until stated otherwise, and vice-versa applies as well. They'll continue to have fun and collab together and that's the only fact here.

>>8622197
>suck their cocks even if they do the wrong thing
Nah

>>8622064
holy ESL

>>8622197
>keep moving forward and give a fuck you to a shitty workplace by quitting and dumping their dead baggage ass
You mean this

>>8620863
With fans like those in this thread and in EN chat, it's no wonder the girls are exhausted. Like, holy shit, it must be like being a primary school teacher except without the summer break.

>>8621028
This. She is a literall nobody without the hololive brand and her genmates carry her current status. Fucking ungratefull privilege bitch act like she has done more to hololive than they did for her.

>>8622302
>not fucking up so much the talents take the brunt of criticism from hateful fans
thingscovershoulddo.txt

>>8622285
Good. Hololive will be a better place without her

>>8622348
She'll make more money than any holo if she doesn't need to give that shitty leech yagoo his cut

>>8621801
Kiara is massively salty in general. Being bitter and petty are her defining character traits.

>>8621069
The vast majority of hololive is broken girls, this is not an EN thing.

>>8622393
KFPcucks grow more delusional by the day

Interesting how most of the eggs come up during prime SEA hours.

>>8615197
>that's it
>a nothingburger

>>8622393
DYRBI?

>>8622393
Holy cope! This is much more cope intacted than the legendary nijicope
Wow congratulation kftards

Jesus, it smells like tourist in here.
But sure, management good and can do no wrong, and orange woman bad.
Fuck, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of you are zhangs, given how much the previous orange bitch shat on management too.

>>8622639
How does the bait taste?

>>8622528
>>8622639
Eggtards and KFPfags fall for the shittiest fucking bait on this site they are literally made for each other

>>8615472
Kiara doesn't like japanese honorifics in english sentences, similar to Risu.
But I am pretty sure I at least heard Sana call her Senpai

So all the SEAnigs in this thread are just upset because they want to nibble on OA’s teeny tranny weeny, is that right?

>KFP: MANAGEMENT BAD MANAGEMENT HOLDING KIARA BACK FUCK MANAGEMENT
>Non-KFP: Okay it looks like a really bad place to work, maybe she should strike out on her own, she'd probably be happier off that way
>KFP: REEEE EGG REEE ANTI NEVER LEAVING NEVER GRADUATING
Why do KFP behave like this? It's irrational.

>>8622780
Threadreader

>>8615197
Wtf, i love Kiara now

>>8622064
This vibes with what we know of Kiara desu. She's absolutely warm and welcoming to her genmates, and she's the collab queen, breaking barriers with other groups like with Holotalks, collabing with Nyanners, etc.

At the same time, it makes sense she'd feel resentment towards management. They have to make this all actually profitable, so they try doing dumb shit a lot. Since Irys represents a lot of manager's recent decision making, an unconscious bias there isn't surprising.

>>8621059
You can tell the girls have a very thin tolerance for upper managements bs.

>>8621944
Ghosting is Guras shtick

>>8622064
I really don't believe she has any issues with Irys, also she seems to like most if not all of Gen2 a lot.
She most certainly doesn't like the producer roleplay as THY LORD THY GOD on twitter.
Both given how she explicitly keeps calling herself Hololive English First Generation, the comments about internal issues with music releases that isn't her personal management and the ribbing on omegaalpha

>>8623050
I watched the reason talk between them on one of Kiara's streams with the whole Outlast collab. I would have fucking kneeled so fucking hard if Kiara straight up asked Gura to play ARK when Gura wanted to know what Kiara would want her to play in return.
She asked for a fucking Karaoke session instead where she will probably have to stay up till past fucking midnight to get Gura at her best.

>>8623196
> reason
recent*

>>8623186
None of the EN girls seem to have a real issue with their personal manager, even if they should (J-chad being a massive numberfag).
Pretty much all the issues they have with the business side can be placed at the feet of upper management, and now, lo and behold, that faggot P-San goes and makes himself their god.

Why are there so many bootlickers in this thread? Some of you schizos say that these girls are nothing without hololive but you do realize the opposite is also true right? Nobody gives a fuck about a corporation like Cover or Hololive, I only care about the talent. I would follow their roomates if they ever graduated. Also, if you've ever actually held a job you'd know that 99% of management jobs are useless, they are parasites to society.

Is it bad to like the lore and want a more serious angle/more artistic value out of this medium? I think the lore's really cool.

>>8623435
You are right, but takotards will eat anything up management shits out in front of them.

>>8623471
Trying to add more lore was fun, the execution was badly done and they should have given more wiggle room to expand

>>8623435
Agreed basedbro, any real fan would want them to graduate right now so that Cover dies. I hope we can actually put our money where our mouth is and stop giving Cover any money, maybe do a concerted campaign to expose their shittiness in Youtube chat so that we can free the girls from corporate slavery.

>>8623612
I guess maybe I'm just dumb and don't understand but I Think the lore's really cool, I dunno what's badly executed about it. I don't see what the whole "one-upping" thing is about, HoloCouncil and HoloMyth can coexist and be fun, but again I'm probably just dumb and don't get it. I just really like a more serious/artistic take on Vtubing and it's nice to see.

>>8614342
every time an IRyS drawing was on screen Kiara made fun of her for not being able to draw, and at one point waxed poetical about how Gartic Phone is actually more fun when it's a mix of people who CAN draw and people who CAN'T draw (like her)

>>8623663
I guess I should have explained, the first trailers were badly announced with a weird sense of mystery, where even the EN talents themselves were screwed over with their scheduling. The fact was they wanted to keep Council as a huge surprise, but they really should have at least warned everyone, this struck me as bad management. I think that they could have built up some hype with an ARG instead, giving more of that virtual feeling.

>>8619852
Retard.

>>8623816
Oh yeah I suppose, I mean I assumed at the very beginning it was IRyS lore, but it turned into HoloCouncil. I guess it could have been done differently, but still I enjoy it for sure, although is it safe to say IRyS is connected to them lore wise? Either way yeah I imagine there could have been a way to do it differently.

>>8612159
>Kiara has always been a numberfag.
Wrong, faggot. Kiara is the opposite of a numberfag. Every time some retard asks why she doesn't stream more popular games she has to explain she chooses games based on how fun they look to her and not numbers. That's why she's playing Skyward Sword right now instead of BoTW. Also why she refuses to touch competitive FPS. Do you ever get tired of being wrong and gay, Anon?

>>8615197
wow its fucking nothing, why are dramafags like this? just your regular kiara hate thread that has no substance i guess

>>8620843
>HoloEN eventually becomes NijiJP, where the members just bully each other
I can't wait

>>8623435
I don't disagree but bootlicker is a leftypol insult