/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>something happens at hololive
ME ME ME ME
>something happens at nijisanji
*crickets*

literal who else can claim that title
no, IM and Vshojo saw they're biggest growth post myth

>>85237727
The only things that happen at Nijisanii are graduations and cancellations.

>>85237512
ALL OUT WAR

>>85237512
Why does she hate vshojo?

>>85237512
Yes. Every english speaker that came after them owes a little bit of their success to Myth, even if they won't recognize it.

>>85237512
They’re the reason vtubers took off in the English speaking internet.
>inb4 "erm acktually I was watching jp vtubers since 1987"

>>85237512
OHNONONONO SLEEPMOUSEKEKS?

>>85237512
Yes she's right
>>85237841
Who?

>>85237512
Yes. They paved the way

>>85237765
Nobody said Myth are the ONLY pioneers. They are, and IM probably is, and Melody definitely is just in a slightly different direction.

>Kekson: forgotten
>Ironlung: disposed
Myth kickstarded EN vtubing and this whole board

>vshojofag trying to put his whores on the same level of Myth
lol

Iron Mouse is the pioneer in the sense of streaming with an anime avatari, while Natsumi Moe was the first proper, fully immersed in the culture, EN vtuber.
But we would not be here without Myth, they are the foundation of modern en vtubing, what made it pop.

>>85238267
>Natsumi Moe
what is she even doing these days

>>85237512
well yeah

>>85238267
Ironmouse is less of a pioneer than Nyanners unironically, even Gura based her entire career off Nyanners

>>85238406
>he doesn't know

>>85238406
Me

>>85238406
Oh y'know. Stuff. Golly gee!

>>85238558
It's too bad that Pupinia Stewart never got into vtubing

>>85238406
She just vanished

>>85237512
she's correct, western vtubing would not exist without myth even if we can all acknowledge that myth is washed now. their legendary status does not change because of that

>>85238035
Pre-Vshojo, i forget what the fuck the name of their group/podcast was, I only ever heard about Nyanners and maybe Project Melody. Ironmouse got big post-myth when Connor's videos with her got popular.

Mint originally wanted to be in Myth

>>85238406
She’s very close friends with Altare from Holostars!

>>85237727
>something happens at nijisanji

>>85237512
my hearts aches that this woman spent so many years trapped in Nijisanji

>>85238558
Has anyone actually called Ironmouse an inspiration for being a vtuber? I only ever hear people claim Nyanners or Myth for that.

>>85239585
I wished she stayed at Niji a bit longer and get her 3D concert.

>>85239592
ironmouse pioneered sleeping streams

>>85237512
Of course there was Western vtubers before Myth. They scouted the path Myth would take. Think of it as a building a railway across North America during the Pioneer days. They cleared the path and Myth built railroad which everyone else who followed took.

>>85239881
To the contrary she should have left a year earlier, that was a lot of wasted time

She should have been Ame instead of Ame

>>85239360
If it's Lewdcast, Mouse was part of it.

>>85239585
She should apply to EN5

>>85239592
Nah, IM didn't make waves until Myth debuted. Myth didn't just create a bunch of followers, they also pulled up a lot of older vtubers.

Before myth, Moe, Nyanners and Melody were the only recognizable vtubers. No one will ever admit they were inspired by Melody, Nyanners had a specific niche, and Moe got overshadowed by myth.

>>85237873
Shit man, that's my birth year, any other 37 year old faggots around

>>85239585
>All out war

Ame is the only pioneer in myth. The rest were in the right place at the right time.

>>85239592
Ironmouse doesn't really do anything special as a vtuber, which is why I'm amused that she annoys some people so much. She's very standard, maybe even a little boring. Nyanners was a way bigger influence to people even though she's nothing like her old self now.

>>85240365
>The rest were in the right place at the right time.
That's all a pioneer is, you nincompoop.

>>85240176
Mouse was already at 2k CCV and on a steady upwards trend when Myth debutted.

>>85239481
All of the NijiEN girls tried to join Holo first.

>>85237512
She's right.

>>85240365
All investigators should be turned into leather shoes.

>>85239481
>uhm actually you debuted before and also ironkek
These retards don't know how to read the room.

>>85240176
Yeah, this is correct. The IMcucks will shit their pants and pretend otherwise

As is always the case, IM leeched off of their success.

>>85240365
This

There were a myriad of people who set the stage before holo came in, and she was one of the first and (relatively) successful for the time

Mint was part of the COVID trendhoppers

>>85237512
>Mint applied to Myth but failed

>>85239592
Pippa is more of an inspirational figure than IronMouse. I wish I was kidding but this is the reality we live in.

>>85237765
IM's claim to fame back in the early days was being a bubble girl who was trying to raise money to afford her medical bills iirc
It wasn't really till Vshojo when she became more of a figurehead.

>>85238267
Its funny how Vshojokeks think they're pioneering anything.
Ironmouse \certainly isn't a pioneer of anything. She was the first EN vtubers to stream maybe, but that doesn't mean much.
Let's be real. Without Connor, she'll be probably your average 4 view twitch chuuba.
and Nyanners would still be your standard anime girl 4chan memer girl

>>85240826
Yes? I think she was open pretty early on about the fact that she applied for Myth, was turned away because she had no content creation experience, so created Maid Mint.

>>85238406
Uhhhhhhh gee I wonder lol
Guess we'll never know.....

>>85237512
panko thinks so
https://x.com/komachipanko/status/1834706086093635839

>>85238267
ironmouse is the pioneer of sleeping streams

>>85240900
>She was the first EN vtubers to stream maybe, but that doesn't mean much.
That means a lot though? Like yeah she had no impact, we still would have had vtubing as we know it without her, but she was the first in EN and this has to be recognized.

Or at least, I assume she's the first. There are a bunch of small now deleted channels that could have been the first but are now lost to time.

>>85237512
Mint going to be in next gen isn't she?

>>85239481
she had better get into holo eventually

The only thing Gura is pioneering is how to take months long breaks with zero repercussions

>>85237841
What are you talking about Matara is literally her best friend.

>>85241445
Mint herself disagrees

It would be so fuking funny is she try to apply to holo again

>>85241487
no

>>85238035
I wouldn't call Melody a pioneer. She an og and well known vtuber, but she didn't really expand the scene like Myth did.

>>85240828
Funny how that turned into a lie huh?
Vile bitch.

This godforsaken drama board owes its continued existence to Myth. Be thankful, 13 year old SEA shitposters.

>>85241686
Yes

>>85241445
The only person stopping Mint from getting into Hololive is Mint.

>>85240176
>Overshadowed
And now she's one of them

>people already forgive the all out war girl
kek

>>85241732
>This godforsaken drama board owes its continued existence to Myth.
Sorry anon, but NIJISANJI still exists, so there will always be some new yab/drama to gossip about. With or without Myth.

>>85238406
I wonder where she is too anon

>>85241698
She absolutely expanded A scene, it's just not the one that we usually discuss on this board.

>>85239585
I think overall Mint probably doesn't regret going into Niji. She said herself it started out pretty nice, despite having a lot of hardships. She learned a lot and made a lot of friends.
As much as it's easy to hate on Niji, she could still be a 2-3 view part time vtuber if she hasn't joined Nijisanji.

>>85241271
Don't quote me on this but I thought Natsumi Moe was one of the very first ones. But even then, just because your first doesn't mean you're a pioneer to anything. For all we know, you could just be trying to ride the trend since vtubing was gaining traction back then because of the sudden popularity of Kizuna Ai.

>>85239592
Like post 2021 debut vtubers I'm sure has been inspired by IM.
Especially those who has chronic diseases.

>>85238035
>>85238267
non of them pioneering shit. IronScam literally got famous from leeching and reacting to hololive

>>85241750
>>85241738
no, she just doesn't want to join phase or vshoujo because she is going for one more attempt with with hololive
source: I am mint.

>>85238720
>>85238750
>>85241143
I read it in your voice Shiori

>>85240016
Except Ame carried Myth on her back for the first year. And everyone in Myth is on record saying that.

>>85241698
She's basically the pioneer for Western Lewdtubbing, a branch of VTubers started in Japan around 2019.

>>85239585
what are you talking about???? this girl defend luca after that retard ruined her career

>>85238194
EN never happens without Coco and Haachama

>>85241793
I forgave her once I realized it was about the homos

>>85242006
why the fuck she want to join holo, phase or vshojo when she's already has more ccv than most of them????

>>85240176
>Nyanners
nyanners wasn't a vtuber before 2021

>>85239592
She wasn't even in the conversation when Myth auditions were happening
Heck even people were expecting Nyanners, Kronii, Mumei, and heck even Shiori to be in Myth

>>85240365
this. ame invented vtubing

>>85242166
>nyanners
>kronii
>shiori
the worst lineup ever

>>85241817
>With or without Myth.
Ya know I actually kinda doubt that
The events that lead to /vt/'s creation were basically kick-started by the huge influx of posters on /jp/ when Myth debut, at the time Nijisanji was still dicking around with their ""English"" branch (Was really just the remnants of their Indian branch) without HoloEN I don't think there would've been proper NijiEN

>>85238194
Everyone in Myth respects Coco/kson though
Especially the ones who were never vtubers like Mori, Kiara, and Ina since Coco saw something special in them

>>85241599
She wouldn't have to apply. They would go straight to negotiations and it would be up to Cover is they can accommodate her.

>>85242131
because her room photo reveals while she was in niji revealed that she is a die hard holo fan.
Wall to wall merch of the competing company.
The only thing of niji she had was her own keychain that was on the floor.

>>85237512
>pioneers
lmao

>>85242166
Could you imagine a gen where Shiori and Mumei would be forced to interact with Nyanners regularly

>>85237512
>Twitter screencap thread
I hate this board

>>85240365
based schedule inventor

>>85242006
Didn't she tease her new model a week ago? I don't think she intends on joining any corpo that won't let her continue as Mint.

>>85241313
Justice was supposed to be an elaborate poaching operation. YAGOO wanted to cripple Nijisanji's position in the West by luring away NijiEN's best talent. GG was meant for Selen, CC for Pomu, ERB for Nina and as to Raora he wasn't sure at the moment but it was a toss up between Zaion and Scarle.
While the necessary prep was underway, NijiEN managed to implode without any external help and the operation lost its meaning. The Zaion situation didn't change much, but when Nina decided to leave, the logistics became difficult. Nina as an extrovert was crucial to YAGOO's eventual desire to phase out Mori as a behind-the-scenes centrepiece of EN.
YAGOO doesn't have any plans to offer Mint, Doki or Matara any kind of a deal because the incentive calculus just isn't there, not for any of them really. He managed to partially salvage the Justice assets by the way of expedited debuting of the Justice we have now.
As it stands now, Holo is the undisputed king of EN and indies are too fragmented to pose a serious threat/competition to that position. YAGOO not only intends to abstain from debuting subsequent EN waves, but also some pruning of the existing stagnant assets is being mulled over. The reason is market maturation: there's very little space for growth in terms of audience size. He thinks the way forward is profit margin intensification through more aggressive development of merch production and sales with all the supporting activities (i.e. the talent will be pushed to do more idol content), the metaverse, and flesh celebrity collabs which will hopefully improve brand visibility for sponsors.

>>85239592
Mori

>>85242476

>>85237512
yes?

>>85242131
Getting two concerts a year seems like a big incentive for an idolfag

>>85237512
Yeah. In the literal definition of the word, not taking anything else into consideration, they are pioneers.
But beyond just being among the first to push the stream now button with an L2D, the prevailing vtubing culture is evidently influenced by Hololive, even more so in the West than Japan actually, and Myth have been faithful purveyors of this culture for four years. They played their roles well. They endured through their challenges with dignity. They added value to Hololive and enriched vtubing as a hobby in the West beyond just a streamer with an avatar. And most importantly, they are still here and still managing to raise the bar.

>>85237512

>>85242241
Kronii and Shiori's chemistry is surprisingly good as seen in BD

>>85242131
Dunno about Phase or Vshojo. But Hololive has resources on hand for things she wants.

>>85242393
yeah it would be dead on arrival

>>85237841
She is an idolfag at heart. Vshojo's speciality is reactslop, sleep steams and as of late fleshtubing.

>>85237512
well duh, anyone who was here before and after saw that there basically wasn't an EN vtuber scene before myth, and then suddenly after them, there was one. it was a time when anyone even kind-of associated in a fake ripoff way with myth would get a couple hundred K subs in pure leech power alone (uto, artemis etc).

vshojo wasn't anything really. as in it did not even actually-exist at the time myth came out. mouse, nyanners etc did exist before but they were 3views generally. they existed but got dwarfed instantly fucking literally overnight by myth like 30x over. for tEh kIdDieZ and newfags here at the time, holoJP was also kind of getting a nascent popularity spike for maybe a half year leading up the myth's debut. especially during covid times, people were more willing to entertain wacky new things and holoEN was starting to get noticed from the translated clips. clippers used to be held in high esteem back then because they literally were the primary way to watch anything about holoJP without knowing japanese. coco was hugely popular simply because it was known she could speak english (even though she almost never did compared to her usual JP streams). the idea of interacting with a holo at all and having them notice us lowly westerners at all was a high fantasy on /jp/.

basically what I am saying is literally nobody gave a fuck about vshojo besides a couple coomers on /h/ basically for melody prior to holo myth. vtubers on twitch were curiosities, not big mainstream things like now.

>>85240546
No, not all of them

>>85237841
VShojo wasn't taken seriously until they kicked out Nuxtaku

>>85242642
also typo
>and holoEN was starting to get noticed from the translated clips
holoJP, obv

>>85237727
>something happens at nijisanji

>>85242580
kizuna was more like an online cartoon show using mocap, it was the true pioneer but is as relevant today as the wright brothers flyer is to a passenger jet. it's why in her latter years she started doing live streaming - the market didn't follow her, she followed the market.

>>85242580
>in the west

>>85237841
She's just saying the truth. Why would you consider saying the truth hating on Vshojo?

>>85242393
I don't watch Shiori much. But I feel like Nyanners and Mumei would get along well.

>>85242566
she already had 2 concerts with doki and phase

>>85242908
he meant real concerts

>>85242775
>forgot about kizuna ai x pewdiepie

>>85242932
what the fuck is real concerts?????

>>85243024
Concerts in a real concert venue while singing your original songs in front of thousands of people.

>>85242775
Yeah Kizuna was really at her best back doing pre-recorded scripted videos was still the main form of content for vtubers
By the time streaming took over she was washed, of course of the "SHE CHANGED VAs" scandals didn't help either

>>85237825
Seriously, they've had more graduations than most other agencies have had debuts.

>>85240470
she annoys people because her fans act like she's more important than kizuna and holomyth in terms of impact on the scene, and she herself acts like she's the queen of vtubing. 'like fan like chuuba' never seems to run out of examples.

secondly the point of annoyance is assuming half her fans defend her so doggedly because subconsciously the "you can't make fun of her, she's sick you asshole!!! what if she dies tomorrow!!" line is still there, they just don't say it out-loud anymore. and knowing her illness simply won't progress because she can afford proper treatment for it and has been able to for years, makes this all the more flimsy, she should be treated or thought of with any handicap points at fucking all anymore.

>>85237512
To me Mint was a pioneer of western vtubing herself. She shouldn't have placed Myth on a pedestal like that.

>>85240470
She's the diversity hire of the twitch world
>Woman
>Disabled
>Minority
>Immune to criticism due to illness

>>85243308
Ok mrj >>85239481

>>85237512
She's technically right, the semantics for a board that's mainly dominated by ESLs (myself included) and people with bias is what get people confused. So long post it is:
HololiveEN is the pioneer for the Western side of VTubing, and while Coco and Haachama had pushed the envelope for the interest for the Western Market, it was the EN branch that gave a bigger impact, interest and basically set some of the bases for what existed back in the day. Which it's a thing I'm seeing here, because people are getting confused with people that existed within the industry and might not think themselves as VTubers (for example Ironmouse) and those who had barely an impact (Moe) but where one of the first to set foot in the market, let me explain it.
Let's put an example of a town cemented on land that's already owned, like a village for example, early Western VTubers were that, at lot didn't say they were vtubers (in this example people who didn't belong to a specific, registered town), a lot were all over the place and a lot didn't had anything else to approach that closely, HololiveEN was the first company to set their eyes into this side of the market that was undefined and unexplored at its full potential. It redefined what VTubers were at that point in the west, and everyone wanted to be them, so a lot quickly jumped into VTubing in the hopes of joining, and even copy them or fully accepted the things they were establishing. That to me, it's a pioneer, they directed a new path for the western side of VTubers.
Outside of that, (and considering everyone is having this conversation) Melody and her pet project (VShojo) helped towards a new mindset born out of the revolutionized market that they were aiming for (yes, the Talent Freedom (tm)), besides Melody making a huge impact in Lewdtubing, and pioneering the Western side of it. Which again, it isn't a bad thing even if this board has a bias against them, since people that again, jumped because they saw the success of HololiveEN, would have try to join in to Holo, VShojo and many other indies at the time, helped to make an impact that you don't really need to join the big corpo to make it big, which branched the market and really helped to clean the pool for what would eventually come in future generations for those corporations, while impacting the indie environment, but are they founders of anything? No, just the first company western-based to ever been in the market, and they had their impact as well, and the talents that would join became pillars towards a side of VTubers that maybe you aren't a fan of, but they exist within the market, for every Nintendo there's a Sega, for every Android there was Blackberry, and so on, just because they exist in the same market, they have different appeals.

tl;dr She's right.

>>85240016
nah

She didn't say they're the only pioneers.
In fact she's a pioneer herself.

>>85238267
>>85241974
Natsumi moe debuted in 2018 though, ironmouse debuted in 2017 on younow

>>85243561
paragraphs, nigga

>>85243273
>i hate her beecause her fans correct me whenever i lie about her
i'm never gonna get over how common this sentiment is despite being completely schizo.

also sorry to tell you this but kizuna ai has literally zero importance to the en vtuber scene.
99.9999% of vtuber fans got into the hobby in 2020 or later through hololive clips, years after kizuna's prime. most of them haven't even heard of her.

>>85243561
a tl;dr I'd put of that is that Holo Myth is sort of like the Ford Model T of vtubers. yes there were other cars and companies beforehand but the idea of just "anyone can get a car now, we're all driving cars now this is just a thing now" came from Ford.

similarly, awareness in the west of chuubas existed, there were definite niches for them and such, but it wasn't just a thing everyone just watches suddenly until myth. hands down.

>>85239498
kek btvnegro really couldn't resist

>>85242830
yes

>>85243862
Actually that's a great analogy, yeah pretty much.

>>85241445
>>85241313
Nah, she's more of a fan these days. I don't think she's mentally ready for the corpo life any time soon after escaping that shitshow.

>>85241784
She really pulled the "If you can't beat them, join them" type of shit.

>>85243561
Wall of text, here's my analogy
Western vtubing scene = the good ol USA
Pre-Myth twitch 3 views = native Americans
Myth/Holo = real Americans that made the country great

>>85241885
Even Doki acknowledges the experience and connections she was able to form was valuable and would've taken her much longer without. Realistically though they probably wish they left sooner rather than never joining

>>85244320
Sasuga shiorin

>>85244334
Justice - Immigrants coming into USA?

Myth is the best

>>85244365
Being part of early Niji meant they could build connections very easily, back in their first year the twitch scene was happy to collab with them and artists were excited to work with them. That type of networking is very valuable, don't know if anyone who joined post Noctyx would get the same benefits.

>>85237512
Myth are not pioneers they are just the first to bring it to the masses
There had been ENvtubers that had been around for 3 years at that point
Calling myth pioneers is like claming Elvis pioneered rock and roll

>>85241793
Who is Niji said that? It was so long ago I forgot. I don't even know who Mint was in Nijisanji. How do you guys keep up with all this who's who.

>>85244755
fatgur was the one who shit on council, but the rest of the convo was about the homoEN auditions that were announced earlier that day

>>85244639
Noctyx probably still had the same benefits. They shouldn't really have seen any semblance of diminishing returns until iLuna. Everyone that joined from TTT onwards is gigafucked though. I'd argue that you're better off joining some of the other small corpos (Phase, V4mirai, or VSPOEn) instead of joining current NijisanjiEN. I'd be really surprised if they even debut another wave this year that wasn't just a bunch of esl VTA dodgers.

>>85243773
Yes, but IM never really considered herself a vtuber in the broader cultural aspect of it. She was streaming with an anime character but she wasn't vtubing, if you get it.

>>85237512
They didn't even pioneer en vtubing

>>85242599
This has got to be a joke, their charisma on stage was negative and they were awkward as hell together

>>85237512
Grifting bitch.

>>85239592
>Ironmouse an inspiration for being a vtuber?
A shit ton of indies and like every other Niji that appeared on SOTD.
>>85239896
>ironmouse pioneered sleeping streams
No flesh streamers did that with every marathon stream. Mouse just followed suit but she sleeps significantly less because of her med schedule.
Also how long are you retarded antis going to push this? Yeah she has to sleep during a marathon but she's probably done more gaming than any vtuber that doesn't just nolife e-sports seven days a week. But you don't know what her content actually is because you just propagate whatever you read in the catalog.

>>85240205
im 32 soon

>>85245358
NIJISEETHE

>>85242476
I like the GG I got

>>85244970
Agreed, VSPOEn is a still a good choice if you are good at FPS or some other competitive games. However, V4Mirai feels a bit saturated now with their 4th debuting soon and Phase is just Phase. I don't think fishman is hiring unless nepotism or if the person is exceptionally good.

>>85243656
Mintfags are annoying. She didn't pioneer anything.
She even said so herself. In fact, most mint fans today wouldn't even who she is now if it weren't for Myth making EN vtubers popular and accessible.

>>85245537
holoseethe

>>85244970
Can we take a minute to take in how fucked iluna was? Their debuts were massive but the wave itself was such a disaster it would have probably taken a ton of wind out of NijiEN even in a timeline where all the other drama didn't happen. Multiple bombed debuts, a sex pest actively trying to groom his genmates, a complete grifter snake, a girl who disappeared into the AUS timezone never to be seen again... I guess the alien dude did OK, but goddamn.

>>85245582
>NIJISEETHE

>>85245437
i'll be 30 next year
tell me it gets better, bros

depends what you mean by pioneers
if you mean the very first to ever do it then obviously not, there are people in HoloEN which have been vtubing for longer than Myth
but if you're talking about impact there's no contest, Myth built EN vtubing up from a very niche thing to a global phenomenon

it's basically a "vikings/Columbus discovered America" arguement
sure the vikings were there first but they failed to make anything of the discovery, Columbus changed the history of America, Europe and the whole world forever

>>85245645
nta but I'm also 32 and it depends. If you're relatively normal then you should be peaking in your career in your 30s and have decent income, and you also are at peak attractiveness due to that income to younger women.
If not, well...it doesnt get much worse until you're 40 lets put it that way

>>85245643
Mint was already streaming as a vtuber before Nijisanji you retarded holodrone.

>>85242476
Selen/Doki would have never wanted a model like Gigi's in the first place. Heck Doki would have never confirmed to whatever restrictions cover corp had in place after experiencing whatever she did in Niji

>>85245842
NIJISEETHE

>>85245639
iLuna was unironically the wave that lost NijiEN it's mystique. They literally would have had the entire vtubing world at the palm of their hand if that wave was actually any good (remember that a few weeks after this was the so called HoloEN grim era). Instead, you got a bunch of shitters who lacked any form of charisma and basically showed everyone that there wasn't actually any form of quality control in NijiEN.

>>85239592
most twitch indies that do reactslop admire her, although they also kinda hate her for never doing flesh stuff.

>>85240526
And Myth debuted to like 20-30k regular streams anon.
10x.
That's what it means to be a pioneer.

>>85237512
>they're the pioneers?
Yes, and you would be braindead if you think otherwise in this post-covid vtuber world.

/thread

>>85245039
>if you get it
Mythbaby here, so afraid not

>>85246058
They were fucked by predebut, people were tired of the whole horny/gay baiting content on twitter and there was the juxtaposition with tempus who were just acting like bros during their predebut phase at that exact same time.

>>85246197
that's literally not a pioneer. A pioneer in this case would start with low numbers and grow afterwards, bringing up people with them... which honestly describes Melody more than anyone else

>>85246148
They're more upset that she doesn't really collab with smaller streamers anymore. It's usually other big streamers, vshojo members or fleshies.

>>85239481
> You have to be a certain kind of person to join EN, you know.
> You need to have that if you wanna join us, you know? A genuine, good heart that supports everybody.
> EN has room only for people who support each other and love each other, that's how it is here.
> Part of me thinks, "there's probably someone unbelievably talented who's auditioned... but, maybe their vibe didn't fit in the same way."
> It doesn't matter how talented you are. You can be the most incredible singer, the most talented gamer... It doesn't matter. You're not gonna make it in unless you have a good heart.

>>85246317
>Melody
Yeah but the only thing she innovated is just her being able to work in chatterbate and regular streaming which is like barely anything. She may be one of the first EN streamers but doesn't offer much to the table compared to Myth who did so much.

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>>85242476
That's a big rrat
Roach mom is cool but I like the ERB ERB

>>85240365
> Pioneered use of HQ Live2D assets in streams (legs, "comfy" blankets for watchalongs, news reading pose etc.).
> Created a LOT of such 2D assets for her own stream as well as for those of her genmates, all on her own.
> Pioneered the gamified VTuber outfit reveal (Twitch Plays Pokemon-style).
> Pioneered VR-chat 3D singing, dancing and general VRChat 3D streams as a substitute for HoloEN not having proper 3Ds for a long time.
> Has modeled or commissioned more than 20 different 3D models for herself, and the rest of HoloEN for use in the aforementioned VR streams.
> Pioneered the use of "smol" avatars, and elevated walfie's fan creation to a level where it became an actual mascot at Holofes.
> Set up a 3D Studio for Kiara's 3D and future HoloEN 3D at her own place (presumably covering the majority of the expense).
AMELIA WATSON
PIONEER OF EN VTUBING

>>85245645
31 here. Ageism is real and some paths in life start to be more difficult for middle income at 30s. But if you are in a good track from 20s then it would likely be a smooth sail. Aside from that, most are the same for me.

>>85242329
>continued existence to Myth.
Key words there, anon. We're talking about the board's future, not its past.

>>85237512
Seeing this makes me sad for her when she was Pomu. She clearly wanted to grow and develop NijiEN to stand side by side with Myth and HoloEN as equals but Elira, management and the fags who joined post Obsydia had other plans and doomed the branch to its current fate.

>>85247583
If you didn't post this, I would have thought that the Lazusydia days were just a fever dream. I enjoyed vtubing content from early NijiEN way more than I did with Myth.

>>85237765
she is sleeping live again
subathonmouse wins

>>85247583
good times

>>85247583
Forever thanking Luxiem for current NijiEN right now, love me some dollar store k-pop fanbase.

>>85241698
That isn't what pioneer means you illiterate retard, pioneers are people who go into the wilderness when there's no money there. Anyone into vtubing like Eileen years ago would have been a pioneer. Someone riding a reddit retard wave of popularity with shit-eating normalfags is like saying you're a pioneer for going to work in Los Angeles today. No indians are going to shoot at you for being on their land, you're traversing already conquered land.

>>85248458
EN vtubing was still very much a wilderness before Myth debuted. Just some small indies with no sense of cohesion.

>>85237765
West? Nope, it's HoloEN
Maybe if you wanna go a bit before you could point Coco and Pikamee for being the two first main EN/JP nexus, but both were working on JP, not on the west.

>>85242371
>die hard Holo fan
That doesn't mean shit.

>>85242932
>>85243066
>moving goalposts

>>85246301
No. They may have been gay and annoying on twitter, but they had the most watched debuts ever in the en scene at the time, maybe ever (idr the advent/justice numbers). They were fucked because they were horrible hires that had a meteoric falloff because they couldn't hold anyone's interest.
Amusingly, scarle and aia are the only members of nijien left who make any money.

>>85242017
Because Mint's a good girl with a big dead ghost heart

>>85248905
Your oshi made multiple sex jokes and innuendos with him cuck

>>85248997
No? You're probably confusing Niji girls

>>85237765

Dog clips were huge in pioneering a western audience for vtubers imo

>>85237512
>muh niji best
>muh mito kamioshi
>biggest niji fangirl
>always aimed for muh nijishit audition
>muh all out war

all that for almost 3 years, and now look at this desperate bitch, she literally can't make up her fucking mind rumao. this bitch lives to suck and clean everyone's shithole for validation. disgusting.

>>85238194
>Henya: pfizer'd

>>85247583
don't get it twisted. The organs definitely have some faults, but there's a reason the exact same collapse happens with every single branch. The staff and management is rotten to the core. It's easy to blame everything on elira or vox or enna, but riky was the one who terminated her, claimed she was negligible anyways, and then said he'd spam music until EN fans came back.

>>85243561
Hey anon, do you know what a paragraph is?

>>85249733
He's paranoid about reddit spacing

>>85249445
>>muh niji best
>>muh mito kamioshi
>>biggest niji fangirl
>>always aimed for muh nijishit audition
Things she never said
>>muh all out war
This was about homostars auditions

>>85245842
She literally said she was an amateur that only started vtubing because holo rejected her on the basis of her lack of content creation let alone vtubing experience.

>>85237841
my guess is because it exists

>>85249808
No matter how much you memory-holed her
>NIJI FAMILY
stuff, it'll never go away mintcuck.

>>85249495
Don't remind me..she's gonna be a vaxxie victim :(((

>>85249939
>her "NIJI FAMILY" stuff
What are you talking about?

>>85249990
You realized that is only a fraction of NIJI FAMILY stuff, right?
Faggots /here/ would not memed it so hard based on a single twitter thread, mintcuck.

You know what they say about ex-cult member, you have to accept their past decisions in order to live in the future.
Mint is an ex-cult member.
You gotta accept her past.

>>85249733
He is a newfag who, like >>85249778 mentioned, is unironically afraid of being called out for reddit spacing kek

>>85250090
>based on a single twitter thread
You know that's not a twitter thread, right

>>85249808
your oshit was literally uppity on behalf of Luxiem's popularity, pomunigger. always funny with you faggots revising history, when all the nijisharts in >picrel made fun of Holo, and others chiming in their own thoughts. one scroll more, your oshit's probably popping off her veins from seething at Hololive.

>>85250155
You know the story behind that twitter screenshot, right?
For all intents and purposes, it might as well be a single thread.

>>85250205
>your oshit's probably popping off her veins from seething at Hololive.
Nah, because one line more and her name wouldn't have been showing in chat.
But anyway, always good to see dramafaggots like you have a melty when your shitposting material gets flushed down the toilet.

>>85242476
take your meds

>>85248757
>why would someone who is a diehard fan of holo want to be in holo????

>>85250205
Anon she was literally at Kiara's place a few weeks ago and still in regular contact with the dogs.
Mint vs Holo is just laughable

>>85250359
It's moot point anyway because she wouldn't pass the vibe check.

>>85250359
I like watching women's tennis but you don't see me chopping off my balls and picking up a racket.

>>85250343
Let them cook. At least they're entertaining unlike the boring old >>85250205 that's a waste of bandwidth.

>>85250395
Now.
Back then she was full on chugging niji kool aid and sucking Luca's phimosis cock on the side.

>>85247583
>>85248140
Man, this just makes me sad

>>85249445
>>/vt/image/IchMP08_2R-h26W7YHtpgA
Schizo Retard

>>85250439
...What? She was trying to get holocollabs from basically debut along with Selen. Niji kept blocking her Kiara collab and Selen's mumei/ollie collabs. She's been friends with some of the hologirls before they were hologirls

>>85250449
Don't be.
She chased after Luxiem's cocks by her own volition.

>>85250503

>>85250205
I think people don't understand the context of this screenshot. Basically Nijisanji announced the debuts of their new ILuna wave, and then Hololive announced Tempus to debut just 1 day later.
There was so much shitposting it was crazy. This was at the height of NijiEN vs. HoloEn when the two groups were actually competitive and having a huge culture war.
That's why she says "All out War", you should have seen what the board looked like.

The ones shittalking Hololive are the males and Millie.

>>85250494
So she tried to have her cake and eat it too?

>>85250542
Homostars isn't Hololive, so no.

>>85250530
Now you're just rewriting history.
Tempus vs Iluna debut duel wouldn't get that much attention had ALL OUT WAR didn't happen.
The board reaction on Tempus announcement beside your usual EN3 WHEN were rather tepid.
The ALL OUT WAR was the gasoline AND the lit match.

>>85250530
I'm convinced that only schizos and shitposters intentionally misrepresent things just because it fits their headcanon or it's funnier that way. Even back when the screenshot leaked the context was obvious, nevermind with hindsight.

>>85250596
Yeah man, let's just ignore how they're claiming Luxiem made as much money as niji/holojp.

>>85237512
She's right, and wrong i guess
There were plenty of english Vtubers before Hololive, notably Shiori's old group, but they were stuck in the backwater of the internet until Hololive made EN and the whole trend became much more prominent

>>85237512
Well, they're pioneers to an extent, it's you that said they're THE pioneers. They're obviously not the only ones, and not the first by a long shot, and there are still pioneers that haven't debuted yet. If it makes you happy then think of them as the biggest pioneers, or the least important, either way works.

>>85250287
cope pomunigger. this was the leak that buck broke your oshit's shitass, from that point nothing ever good hapoened within niji. dramasharts were always feasting on Nijishit.

the only loser in this conversation is the buck broken nijishart Pomu, whose visions for her future within Niji, crumbled day by day, up until her graduation

all those uppities were really for naught, and now she just gives anyone and everyone a sloppy blowjob for validation >>85237512 lemao rumao roru rumaooo

>>85250648
That was Finana, not Pomu

>>85250359
Because she said multiple times that she doesn't want to "pierce the veil".

you know what started this in my age? vrchat. seriously.

>>85241445
Sorry she can't pass the vibe check. That discord leak killed all her chances. She should be fucking pissed about it honestly.

>>85237512
yes. so much of vtubing is modeled off hololive. even twitch whores are attempting to make their own music beyween their coombait sessions.

I like some of vs talents but man some of you are really fucking stupid and obnoxious about a harmless tweet. Yes, most normal vtubing fans consider myth pioneers and not individual members of VS as ones despite "uhm aktually" arguments.

>>85250730
Hololive invented music

>>85250209
>For all intents and purposes, it might as well be a single thread.
No, that's stupid and doesn't make the narrative behind the tweets any better. If anything it makes it worse. Having that many individual, deliberate tweets out there says a lot more than a single thread. You are just dumb.

>>85250648
They were for a short while. Remember at that moment, Vox and Mysta were breaking 10k every day and the other guys weren't far behind. Their income was absurd, Vox was getting like $80k - $100k per month in superchats. Cover was debuting males hoping to capitalize on the male fad.
Hololive was a complete mess back then. Very few streams, huge internal disputes, Sana was graduating. It was looking like they were gonna lose the fight.

>>85250703
The leak happened at the beginning of 2022, and 2022 was a fine year for NijiEN. In fact, before the leak, NijiEN hadn't collabed with HoloEN. After the leak, they did collab.
It was 2023, with the cancelled AR Live, Zaion termination, and failed DMCA takedowns of dramafag channels, where shit started rolling down hill with NijiEN.

>>85250747
This is true, I was there.

>>85250799
Can confirm, I was Sora's pantsu that day.

>>85237512
The real pioneer was Dolly-sensei.
rip

>>85237512
Funny how JP hasn't inspired or pioneered anything.

>>85250741
Nobody is upset about her tweet.

>>85250828
the cloned sheep or Dolly Parton?

>>85237512
so mint is a leech now?

>>85250857
Literally whole thread of IM fans (IDK what they call themselves) complaining that she's a pioneer too.

>>85250870
NTA but I'm guessing Dolly with the organic japanese lessons on youtube (or whatever they're called). Actually good resource to learn JP

>>85250828
Made me laugh.
Some of her explanations were useful at the time, but in hindsight, now that I've got an almost intuitive understanding of Japanese grammar, there's not a single resource in English out there that I'd call both accurate and complete.

>>85250912
They're not complaining about Mint's tweet. But the tweet doesn't say Myth were the only pioneers either. They are only explaining that Ironmouse was one of the first EN vtubers and was already a 4view before HoloEN debuted so she can definitely be considered a pioneer as well, maybe not on the same level as myth but that's besides the point.

>>85250912
Does she even have a fan name?

>>85238035
melody HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>85240016
nope

>>85251097
wisps

>>85251234
The famous wisps, Ironmouse's fanbase

>>85250436
You no longer have to do that to join women's tenis.

>>85237512
>joins vshojo
>melody is my kamioshi

>>85251234
Anonchama...

>>85251084
Dude the fact that I can't even remember if she has a fan name already says magnitudes about her presence in the space. Just stop, nobody is saying she isn't relevant now but to say she was a pioneer is huge stretch. .

>>85250205
Mint changed now and I believe in second chance.

>>85237512
Yes and they drive acrylic blocks for miles

>>85238267
Annoying Orange is the first en vtuber retard

>>85251513
Most people who watch vtubers on twitch probably couldn't tell you what the name of Ame's fanbase for example is. Subjective ignorance is not a valid argument though even if the fanbase name was somehow the only factor for relevance (it isn't)

>>85251741
Literally everyone knows who teamates are
People chant KFP at every con with a major vtuber fan presence. Takodachis are fucking iconic.

Ironmouse is a streamer with a great following but it's not from the vtuber audience. She's welcomed in the space but she is not a pioneer. She is not a pillar.

>>85251816
>Literally everyone knows who teamates are
I seriously doubt it. Also like I said, it's hardly an important factor in the first place so not sure why you focus so hard on this when her starting vtubing early, before Hololive even existed, and continued to push vtubing for years is far more important than anything else when it comes to pioneering.

>>85237512
>admits to jumping on the bandwagon

>>85238406
Hopefully rotting in a ditch
>>85243773
>Natsumi moe debuted in 2018
lole

>>85252016
Anon... she debuted before Myth

>>85250857
Illiterate niggers still reeling from the "all out war" bullshit are, you can't tell?

>>85252097
???

>>85252115
Mint debuted July 2020
Myth debuted September 2020
But she is rightfully saying that Myth were the pioneers in establishing Vtubing in the west. EN Vtubing wouldn't have gotten as big as it has without Myth's accomplishments. It would have remained a very niche offshoot of JP vtubing.

>>85237765
Go back to yt Martuuk

>>85252227
Please explain how that is relevant
She literally admitted to jumping on the hype

>>85237512
Phrasing it Vtuber pioneers in the West means all the Japanese vtubers who broke through to the West come before these irrelevant EN vtubers like Myth or Ironmouse. I mean two of Myth's members were operating from Japan, so living in Japan can't be what disqualifes you from "pioneers in the West".

>>85252312
She didn't see Myth's success and jump on the bandwagon, because she debuted before Myth.
And before Myth, there was no knowing if western vtubers would be successful enough to become a mainstay or not. It's only because Myth was those 5 that it was able to be as successful as it was. Imagine a timeline where Cover picked a bunch of twitch thots instead... western vtubing would have been doomed.

>>85252384
>so living in Japan can't be what disqualifes you from "pioneers in the West".
It doesn't, and no one is saying it does. However, the same cannot be said for not speaking English. For JP only talents, it's the clippers that made them break through, mot the talents directly.

>>85251513
Nobody knows the names of holo fanbases either.

>>85252450
Most holofans could name well over 50% of the fanbase names. I guarantee it.

>>85252477
Lol no they can't.

>>85252488
Just because you're a retard who can't memorize shit doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>85252440
What the fuck are you talking about
Hololive was already doing great in the west before myth debuted which is why they ever even happened
Myth hype didnt start after debut it started when they got announced lmfao

>>85252440
She literally disagrees with you in a tweet that was posted in this thread already.

>>85237765
Nyanners

>>85238406
this nigga...

>>85242624
There's still the perms fuckery. Mint recently enjoyed streaming some obscure childhood friend it would be impossible for her to get perms for in Hololive. Hololive also doesn't have the perms for MGS games after 3 which would be a big let down for her who is a huge metal gear autist.

>>85252576
Don't speak the devils name is gods presence

>>85252623
>friend
I meant game, not sure where that came from

>>85252448
Pioneering is a really poor choice of words then, because they were capitalizing on the pioneering work of the JP's. They got insant success which is not really what pioneering as a concept generally means. They're more like the children of the pioneer families at best.

>>85243945
YOU PROMISED TO COLLAB WITH HER YOU LAZY FUCKING SWEDE
FUCK

>>85252538
>Hololive was already doing great in the west before myth debuted which is why they ever even happened
Hololive(JP) doing great in the west != western vtubing.
Again, it's thanks to those 5 girls in Myth in particular that western vtubing has been established as a mainstay. Things could have gone totally differently if Cover picked 5 twitch thots instead.
>Myth hype didnt start after debut it started when they got announced lmfao
Myth got announced in September 2020.

>>85252562
I don't know how to tell you this but the EN audition announcement didn't happen because of Myth.

>>85252562
You mean the tweet where she disagreed with her being a pioneer? Yeah, what about it? I'm not arguing that.

Myth was the start of everything going bad. Mint is dead wrong. Myth ruined everything

>>85240031
Who's the chick between Mel and IM?

>>85252753
silvervale
her old 3d model was ugly as fuck

Ironmouse is so influential she has a vtuber Academy!

>>85252669
Then why was Gura so much more successful? She pioneered the western market, and all it took was a single letter

>>85252852
And it's a failure!

>>85237512
Myth got concert??? When was that

>>85252874
I'll be the next successful graduate!

>>85252900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDljbqawDkw

>>85252900
About 6 hours ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDljbqawDkw

>>85247583
>>85248140
Take me back...

>>85252690
>Myth got announced in September 2020.
Yeah and when did they announce the branch resulting in the "hololive coming to the west" hype dummy

>>85252945
>>85252948
Wow that is cool. I prefer Mouse elden ring kino tho

All of you misunderstood this thread.
It was supposed to be a Mint bait thread and not some Myth vs Mouse vs Pink Cat discussion.

>>85247545
Learn English, that phrase refers to this board's continuous existence since its creation until now

>>85253029
Again, there was no guarantee the branch would have been successful. Can't exactly "hop on the bandwagon" before the bandwagon is even built.

>>85253283
???
Are you unironically ESL kek. That's not what that phrase means in the slightest lmfao.

>>85253283
Anonchama...you might just be a little retarded.
>continued existence
>continued
Not "continuous" for starters, and that phrase refers to the future of the "thing" from the reference point of the moment the speaker expresses the thought.
i.e. "The continued existence of [thing] from this moment, moving forward."

>>85250636
i was there when the ss leak, no one care about pomu line.

>>85253297
The bandwagon was built by the Hololive jp’s and Haachama and coco. Jp had English fans before myth existed newfag

>>85252669
No one gave a shit about JPs and still don't. They never mattered. Myth is the reason why anyone even knows what hololive and vtubers in general are.

>>85253455
No, HoloJP simply laid out the pieces of the wagon. Myth are the ones who built it.
Again, imagine if Cover picked 5 twitch thots for Myth, because they looked at twitch and thought "this is what the west wants". A wagon built by 5 twitch thots would have quickly fallen apart, and western vtubing would have been doomed.

>Nyanners, IM, Coco
Why have anons memory-holed the true Queen?
In May 2020, this gremlin had over twice the number of subscribers than any Holo members.
Only Kizuna AI and Kaguya Luna had more subs than her.
https://youtu.be/MhkLY7ZZsNI?si=-Vf-uxj2V4S9sb8l&t=175

>>85237512
>Nyanners, IM, Coco
Why have anons memory-holed the true Queen of the West?
In May 2020 with 800k subs, this gremlin was #3 of all vtubers; behind Kizuna AI and Kaguya Luna.
https://youtu.be/MhkLY7ZZsNI?si=-Vf-uxj2V4S9sb8l&t=175

>>85253297
>>she said she jumped the bandwagon
>But myth didnt release yet
>>Myth had hype before release
>but there was no guarantee for financial success
Man that goalpost on wheels

>>85253925
First, you need to stop changing words around.
She didn't say she jumped on the Myth bandwagon
I didn't say anything about financial success.

>>85253992
lol

>>85253925
the bandwagon that is the tweet about hololive recruiting english talents

>>85254053
The biggest company announcing an english branch surely didnt spike interest and had a hand in other companies following suit im sure

>>85254105
Announcing? No. After seeing Myth's massive success? Yes definitely.

>>85254144
Your clown headcanon doesnt align with recorded history
Announcement engagement is already more than enough to gauge interest
Not like branch announcement are anything unusual they dont already have metrics on

>>85254183
>Announcement engagement is already more than enough to gauge interest
Really? Because the announcement only has 3k likes

>>85253455
Holo JP didn't build shit. They were not popular until Myth brought in millions of viewers.

>>85253883
i miss her