/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

Sana is Ina's friend so she won't give a shit about numbers since she has a comfy side job, They'll be maximum chill.

>>8352697
I think we'll have two good numberfags in this gen, the rest just comfy

56k waiting for fana
i find this slot harder since most jops will be going back to sleep.

>>8352868
More people aware it's going on today though, and Sana was the lowest subbed one. I bet it peaks higher.

>>8352697
>Sana is Ina's friend so she won't give a shit about numbers
That doesn’t mean she won’t get them, if Ina is any example.

With her debut numbers
>PREDICTIONS
for the other four?

>>8352868
no jps watch hololive anyways so it's not an issue

>>8353071
weak bait

Sana numbers?

>>8352697
I think Sana is anything but chill. I think she will go on rants upon rants about astrology stuff sprinkled with actual science and then back to scifi mumbo jumbo. She plans to play kuso games too so she will probably not care about numbers for sure. She's quite funny and was probably too nervous and too restricted to even say a lot of stuff other than what she was presenting so I will wait how she really is on her next streams. She isn't relying on Art as a focus on any streams though which is interesting

channels first stream is always fucked so ignore those botniggers.

>>8353141
See >>8353060

>>8353049
Japs have to work tomorrow and they have to sleep retard

>>8353210
right now seems to dpeend more on euro and burgers.
61k waiting.

>>8353060
Well, Sana was the weakest one of their gen in subs, maybe some of them can actually break the 100k

>>8353210
No one cares about Japs. Watch and see.

>>8353210
I agree but to be fair, it's probably a split percentage of nips who don't work that are fans of hololive

>>8352697
>maximum chill
Sana seemed anything but chill. She was more high talk/entertainment type of streamer. Who focuses on chat. Which is good.

>>8353334
Rat and owl will easily clear 100k.

>>8353148
>I think Sana is anything but chill
I swear I started off similar without seeing your post first: >>8353356

seems like another 70k pre stream

>>8352868
Agreed. Lots of them will watch the VODs later since even Fubuki had to tap out (from her tweet).
IMO, she'll get a similar number as more people become aware that the new gen is here and was just rescheduled a day, so here are my remaining predictions....
Ceres - 85k
Kronii - 90k
Mumei - 95k
Hakos -102k
It IS a sunday, but not everyone is going to sit through 6+ hours of streams. Early wakers for JP will start to catch Mumei+Hakos though.

What was IRyS peak, 94k?

67k waiting

>>8353356
>>8353148
Maximum chill in terms of not being a number/superchat chaser like Ina, She'll do her own thing even if people don't like it cause they're here for the vibes and not the money or attention.

>>8353574
>even Fubuki had to tap out (from her tweet).
Her boss doesn't approve.

73k waiting…

APEX tourney after party just ended, might get some fat numbers.

79k wiating.
devaint art

Fauna got 84,484 waiting -> watching now. Now we wait for youtube to count the viewers that are already watching...

CERES SUBS BEFORE DEBUT - 100K

>>8353882
I don't think there's any crossover between those audiences

>>8337414
Same numbers.

>>8353882
Nah they'll go to bed or go watch normie streamers now.

>PSSSSSSSSTTTTTTT
HEY ANONS
>KNEEL!

Astel got thr highest kill, followed by VGori Chan and some other fag

>>8354560
Reid got the highest kill you fucking retard

>>8353882
>non holofan jops watching some en niggers

>>8355209
Sorry, highest dmg

91k Already on Ceres.
Looks like people are realizing there's a debut train going.

91k for Fauna

>voice
Yep this is going to be EN2's highest SC earner

>>8356254
GREEN LAMY
GREEN LAMY
GREEN LAMY

>>8356254
i can see it, EN lamy

>>8356254
>if she will be yandere

>>8356254
hololive be like
>ive got a lamy
>ive got a rushia
>ah
>GREEN LAMY

>92,883
Higher than Irys already. This means Kronni, Mumei and Baelz will likely too.

>>8357282
Those will be higher as we head deeper into burger hours.

>>8356903
kek

Tsukumo Sana is 100k
nonebelivers, doko?!

>thread slows down when SEAnigs go to sleep
Like pottery

>>8357918
Subs? Yes.
Viewers? Debatable.

>>8357918
Maybe. You’re assuming 5k more for each round?

>>8357604
Don't care about the debuts. Just waiting for the numberfag rabbit to drop below the top 10.

>Ceres's likes
>co-op games
numberfags, we cant stop winning

>>8357971
>Thread not complete stop
Still a few SEAnigs awake

>>8357604
EMPEROR HAL

>all present must KNEEL now!

>>8358255
>>8358330
100k subs

>>8358647
Ah, you were talking about nigger. I thought about current girl.
But why did you even write that at all? I doubt that someone believed that she won't reach 100k subs at some point.

>no live viewers drop
CERES FAUNA 100% RETENTION RATE

>>8359108
What? She already dropped more than 1k.

>>8358955
>I doubt that someone believed that she won't reach 100k
previous thread

I’m predicting that Sana will do better in numbers than Fauna in the future.

>>8359855
Lots of numbers to consider, maybe in viewers but SC?

>>8359249
What a fucking failure, how do we save her?

>>8359855
If Fauna plays games like Animal Crossing and 999, then yup LMAO
This girl's favourite games list is a bunch of debuff games. But then again, feels like Minecraft is the only consistent EN buff game.

>>8360246
I meant viewers. It just seemed like Sana might be better at trying to amuse the chat. Which can attract people to her.

>i like dark things

>>8359855
ASMR streamers are a bit niche. A lot of people just don't get into it. She might make bank on SCs though.

>>8360329
I don't know, she's the second in HoloEN2 who's extremely boring and untalented.

>>8359855
Despite the skin color? I doubt green lamy will lose to the *debuff skin color* girl if they both play minecraft in the same timeslot.

>>8360742
Can you imagine this guy only has 7.5k followers? His art is legit. https://twitter.com/Nang_Z1
Good shit.

>>8360901
She's definitely going to make bank on SCs, ASMR tends to.

>>8360950
>Despite the skin color?
Yep. I think Sana has that entertainment value from her personality. It should override everything else.

>>8359855
i like Sana's designand she s got some shitposting poyential, Butt Ceres feels much more well rounded as streamer

>>8361275
I think Ceres was a streamer and Sana was not.

>>8361083
>7.5k followers
i u fucking kidding me?

Sana: Farming VOD by clips or short videos
Fauna: Farming SC by ASMR and gachikoi

>>8361275
Sana was an artist turned streamer like Ina. She'll be a work in progress for a few weeks I presume. As for Ceres, her ASMRs will probably be 10k+ guaranteed.

>>8361704
>like Ina
wasnt Ina streamer befor?

>>8361704
>her ASMRs will probably be 10k+ guaranteed.
That's lowballing, even Haachama gag ASMR (echi echi tho) get that number

>>8362019
Yeah to like 10 people. Basically just talking while she drew.

>>8362019
She streamed, but so did Sana. Their main focus was still mostly an artist. Now they're going to be streaming a lot more. Sana's mic is clearly not a professional streamer mic for example.

Next debut peak 98k?

>>8362659
Goes up 5k each

Ceres was a streamer who had like 20k followers on twitch named lemon leaf and she started off doing asmr roleplays first lmao

>>8362507
yeah i surprised not much ppl shit on this fact

>>8362659
>Next debut peak 98k?
Time could peak 100k

>>8362931
Anyone knows who Sana is?
Some people were saying that she is an artist, but her interests and her schedule doesn't indicate that.

Rat and Owl were the front runners before the culling it AND Nips will be waking up at that time so 100k is on.

>>8363491
Ina's friend from Australia also an artist.

>>8352516
>kson going up in rank REALLY fast
I wonder why. Happy she is back either way.

>>8363491
https://twitter.com/namgoreng?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Her artstyle is way too easy to identify. When the HoloCouncil group art was revealed and she wasn't credited, people knew she was in HoloCouncil for sure.

>>8363968
you wonder why the former #1 superchat in the world is going up in rank?
really?

>>8363665
>Nips
during Times stream it will be 5am

>>8364219
I said Rat and Owl..

>>8363968
>>8364185
she showed her as on stream irl. im not joking

guys we ve got new top superchat owner of holoEN

i gotta give it to the scouting team.
The 2 girls ofer things completely different from the current myth girls.

>>8365294
Not so fast GFE fags, kronii is definitely a destitute, with chronic diseased, coming from broken home just waiting for saviorfags to save.

>>8365294

>>8365294
good luck with 3 world gachikois

>>8366145
>different from the current myth girls
holoEN already has ASMR streamer

>>8366145
>The 2 girls ofer things completely different from the current myth girls.
True, tons of variety now. I am still surprised by Sana, but that’s probably because she was so underestimated. Sana seems like she will continually come up with ideas for a fun stream.

>>8366145
Both Ame-tier at singing at least LMFAO
Jokes aside, I'm enjoying these debuts a lot more than I expected. If these scuffed last minute EN collabs can get 100k peak today, then HoloGen6 is going to get like 120k+.

>>8366890
>Ame-tier at singing a
Noel will be better comparison

>>8367451
Obligatory
https://youtu.be/2T7Ql4D1UnQ

2 mil views soon!!!

>>8358338
You should restrain yourself drom posting. There's hate posts against Pekora through the entire imageboard, and you are well known for ban evading. I hope your place gets rangebanned ASAP

>>8367831
I regret having clicked

>>8367831
i didnt say i hate her singing

>>8367831
Not a vtuber.

>>8368371
What do you mean? It's fantastic and unique. Noel gets better karaoke numbers than 80% of Holomems, including Towa and Watame if you'll believe it.

The timing for the debuts could be better for sure. But at same time I’m glad it’s at shit hours for JP
Big numbers are great but forcing 30 other talents tiptoe around a 7 hour chunk is bad.
For a lot of these girls superchats is there livelyhood and I don’t want them to be discouraged or flamed from streaming over a event like this.
7 hour rally is a mistake

> superchats is there livelyhood
Anon, they can always take less cut from SCs to get higher base salary, but I doubt any of them would do that.

>>8368225
I didn't say anything that's worth of a ban, though.

>>8368690
A bunch of them were playing Apex over Sana, no one cared.

>>8369299
Tournaments are different

>>8369299
The tournament was announced before the debuts

>>8364185
Oh I forgot to add the /sarcasm tag for your retarded ass. Sorry about that.

>>8369299
Those japs were Apex autists that watched the Vsaikyou closing party. They weren't going to watch HoloJP debuts, let alone HoloEN. However, there are a lot of JP holofans who aren't into Apex that could've watched it if it was yesterday since it only meant pulling an all-nighter on Saturday. Can't do that with work the next day like now.

100k for time girl?

>>8370232
Another 70kish pre stream so wo knows

Nips will be awake for the last two debuts (Fubuki and Mio have morning streams scheduled). 100k+?

>>8369654
>sarcasm via text.
Good one fuck tard.

>>8370565
for the rrat maybe

82k pre stream

Last one was 84k waiting.

>>8354219

>>8371046
Should peak around 98k-99k

Holostats got 90k from the pre cull peak

>>8370232
i called it >>8363184

I will eat shit if she gets over 500k viewers.

When did Ceres take number one? Was it the ASMR? Was it fans from past lives? How????

>>8371668
number one what?

>>8370612
Seethe more, simp.

Seems to be stalling a bit under 90k. But desu idgaf, this voice is pure SEX.

>>8373676
Is a hard time slot
burgers are oming but euros and asia are going to sleep

>>8371665
Which one? the first one already got 500k vod views

>>8373676
Mori is officialy mogged, who is this bitch? she isnt s**u

>>8373676
Agreed.
Even though I haven't seen any special talents, her voice already makes her better than 2 previous ones.

>>8374190
viewers, not views

>>8374698
I like Sana best so far. Voice alone isn’t enough for me.

It unstuck from 90k, nearing 92k now

>>8375091
But nigger has nothing special about her.

>>8375901
>Aussie
>Licks feet
Wadayamean?

>>8375901
I like Santa’s personality; constant joking around, poking fun, high effort, decent voice, etc. People say she’s an artist too. Just seems decent IMO. Should result in numbers.

94k ties IRyS right?

CHAIN ME UP MOMMY

>>8377306
ties Fauna, higher than IRyS(91K)

Kronii is the first one I think to consistently gain viewers over time rather than bleed viewers. It's the sex voice I swear. 95k soon.

>>8377306

Botan's debut record has yet to be broken

She is still climbing, power of podcast?

>>8377306
peaked high then fauna ADN her viewers do NOT drop
>>8378197
what was it?

NijiEN buying ropes right now.

>>8378714
>what was it?
110K+

>>8378213
Power of massive fucking tits

>>8378714
>>8378903

>>8378714
Her self made PC was nothing short of amazing

EN best singer? EN best singer

>what if Mori was confident streamer

>>8378861
Why?
Right now all HoloEN2 has 2 terrible picks and 1 so-so pick.

>>8379660
PV, I mean

>>8378861
mori is already in the grave

I'm bored of waiting. Will any of the Holos surpass emperor Hal?

>>8379831
That is some impressive cope.

>>8378861
Niji EN getting that Hana chick people thought was be Fauna and probably Lyrica. They got Pomu though so they'll be ok.

>>8379831
Not sure about him., but its all opinion. I certainly like Gen2 significantly more than Niji EN, but that’s not specifically bashing Niji.

>>8380282
This girl is more likely than Hana
https://www.youtube.com/c/LemonTeaBloops/videos

>>8380198
Not without some MASSIVE outlier.

Here is the field so far

>>8379660
That's the power of Pre-Dec 2020 and the JP live-viewing audience. HoloGen 6 is going to get 120k.

>>8380214
Look at this fool, trying to defend talentless hags.

>>8378861
Why?
Are they planning on visiting Sana?

>>8380481
Niji just pumps out waves, there's nothing stopping them from recruiting literally every vtuber that graduates.

>>8378861
Pomu quit her job too soon

>>8380282
>Hana chick
ppl was fucking shizo thinking vtuber under contract with cover would graduate 1-2 week before debut.
this is much better holoEN got Leaf (actual ASMR) because we getting much more variety this way

>>8380628
HoloEN debuted pre Dec as well, and so did the rest of Gen5. That’s the power of Botan herself, an outlier.

>>8380468
Oh come on, you said that you'd like them more, but didn't explain why. That seems like a massive cope to me.

>viewers drop every time they start singing

>>8379534
this will be fucking hard to beat

>>8381475
>but didn't explain why
I did though here about Sana: >>8376867

>>8381802
This one is actually possible.

>>8380622
Kind of a shame. I'd like to witness a surprise, but I suppose the new gen isn't up to it.
At least they beat Kuzushit.
Good night, fellow numberfags.

do we need explaing why HoloEN gen2 is Already better then NijiEn1.5?
THIS bullshit sounds like fucking cope nijibro

>>8381802
>>8382017
possible, but hard. Botan is super high spec and really well designed. all eyes are on the rat right now

>>8380918
Why? Even some indies realise they're earning more streaming.

>>8381802
Maybe the collab in the end can beat?

>>8381802
I remember the hype about Botan, her motto with the exquisite kanji, her PV, her AMAZING design, other girls taking about her and gushing. The hype alone put asses in the seat and she delivered too

>>8381919
Oh, ok.
>People say she’s an artist too
Could be, but her debut stream didn't gave any hints on that.
The rest - your subjective opinion. And based on threads around here, more people are rather displeased by her personality.
What's in total? Nothing special.

>>8382609
yeah it can, but that record is for debuts

What was this third girl's schedule?

>>8381598
Yep, same happens for anniversary streams. EN fans don't care about j-pop

>>8382390
I'll give you Kronii, but the other two were pretty mid, if I'm being generous.

>>8382619
she's just really high spec all around.
competent at everything and everyone enjoys her company. she deserves her numbers

>>8383109
this>>8366145
niji bro

>>8382390
Well I think it’s safe to say that Hololive EN raised the bar on who is allowed in, perhaps because of the success of EN1.
>>8382689
>opinion
Who is best as a VTuber is opinion. Even who is funny is opinion. I don’t think Niji EN comes close to what I’ve seen so far. I know it makes you mad, but it’s simply my viewpoint. To me Cover was clearly in position to raise the bar a bit, likely from their earlier success.

>no schedule
>didnt say shit about next debut(Mumei)
Owl girl is a bit fucked

>>8384427
there is like 30 minutes for owl debut so it is fine.

>>8381179
I think Lamy or Polka also debuted to 100k. I'm just saying that the numbers JP brings can't be compared to EN. JP has a much larger live audience that watches vtuber streams.

>>8384308
The point was, most people disagree with your opinion.

>Mumei's stream reservation isn't visible on her channel
Shadowbanned?

>>8384774
Pretty sure if it was JP 6, their numbers would pass 130k

>>8384955
it shows if you search for nanashi mmumei on search so no.
30 min to go AND 42k wiating.

>>8384955
you have to change from uploads to upcoming live streams in the video tab, it's a new youtube thing

>>8384833
Ok nijinigs or 2viewer enjoyer?

>>8384774
>larger live audience
if we are talking about gen 5, im not sure about that. i personally gave chance to Holo because new gen (5) despite being EOP
+you can not compair summer BOOM with this. i still impressed by those numbers after a whole year. Cover are good

>>8382390
Lmao, if you mean 'better' in being boring and having no talents, then yes, you a right.
Otherwise they're a complete flop, you'll see it yourself during coming couple of weeks.

>>8384955
>Shadowbanned
im not sure, but here is a link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2gwJ-7s0Zo

>>8384833
>most people disagree with your opinion
About HoloEN Gen2 being better than Niji EN? I think most do agree with that opinion, and the resulting numbers should bear that out.

>>8385183
It’s a new brand of restriction, shadowbans don’t exist anymore but I bet she’s going to “sawtooth”.
If she does it confirms this

after 1 month
sana 4k
deer 2k
heli 12k

(u) ok nijifag go back to fake cunny and red girl

>>8385589
>About HoloEN Gen2 being better than Niji EN?
About nigger being boring as fuck.
And yes, as for now HoloEN2 completely loses to NijiEN in talent and personalities.
>resulting numbers
those numbers don't care about chubas, they care about brand, so they'll eat a literal shit, if it was in a wrapper with a "Hololive" written on it.

>>8385808
>12k
i like her but this is a bit too much

stop embarrassing yourself nijinigger

>>8385808
average viewers? peak viewers?

Argue about that shit on one of the split threads instead, this is a numbers thread.

>>8386106
Nijicope

>>8385183
Is it safe to say that pre-stream, waiting room numbers are 'true' viewer numbers? Before the YT bot recalculations kick in that is.
Sana had 82k right before the stream started, did anyone catch the other 2?

>>8386106
>as for now HoloEN2 completely loses to NijiEN in talent and personalities
This is the numbers thread sir, the subjective blogposting thread is down and to the left.

>>8386363
Holodelusion

>>8386377
Around 90k, every girl beat their waiting rooms

>8386106
>hose numbers don't care about chubas, they care about brand
numbers are numbers and this is Fucking numbers thread.
get Fuck out of here with your subjective "boring" bullshit

>>8386106
>as for now HoloEN2 completely loses to NijiEN in talent and personalities
You’re taking this all too seriously. If you notice I’m not upset that you have a different opinion, so why do you care so much about mine? Yes, Holo Gen2 is better in my opinion. But this is a number thread, so prepare to deal with the result of that, when comparing the two.

>>8385808
Expecting Deer ASMR to easily pass 10k several months in, taking up her average numbers.

>8386562
>I didn't start talking about 'boring', it was anon before me, I just corrected him.
>Yes, numbers are numbers, high number of shiteaters is high number of shiteaters, I won't object here.

>>8386547
Sure, but from what we're seen, the viewer numbers would still be suppressed. By how much? I don't know. But i think at least the waiting room stats would be accurate.

just leave the retarded nijifag talking to himself, Mumei is next for predictions

>>8386274
peaks
>Space 84.8k
>Nature 94k (drop to 88k at the second half of the debu)
>Time 95k (was stable 92k most of the time)

>>8386941
It doesn’t matter, you measure what’s visible.

>>8385317
That's weird. It showed up on the home tab for the others, which is why I didn't notice that.

>>8386942
110k if the hype is to believed and going by the other numbers.
Realistically:
bad hour for JP and Id
Didn't get a shout-out from Kronii
Possibly shadow banned
90-95k?

>>8386377
>did anyone catch the other 2?
mb. raed thread

>>8386648
Did I said that I had a problem with it? You said your opinion, I said mine. Most people in this board agree with mine. That's all what I said.

>>8386942
you cannt see her stream on her channel it could fuck her really hard.
only 60k in waiting room

>sheboon is nepotism hire with zero redeeming qualities
>deer has a boyfriend, this will literally destroy her numbers
>clock the only decent one so far, but has basic bitches tastes
you're delusional if you think anyone is dropping nijiEN for this

>>8387274
>Most people in this board agree with my opinion that Niji EN is better than HoloEN Gen2.
That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

im thinking Mumei wont be able to beat Kronii, not enough boobas

>>8352516
I know everyone is busy jerking off with debuts numbers but what did Lamy did to beat Suisei's mini live and sololive announcement?

>Most people in this board agree with mine opinion
t. every shizo on this board

>>8387703
Want she part of the MC HoloEN portal relay then?

>>8387703
I think it was just the superchat reading stream

>(you)'re delusional if you think anyone is dropping nijiEN for this
holo dnt need (you)r 500 viewers

>>8387632
>not enough boobas
cunny power, but shadowban

>>8388074
true,

>>8388074
Now, now anon. It's at least 1k... maybe 2k on a good day.

>>8387703
This stream right?
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/hiE8dp-nR4U
Also, she didn't beat it, Suisei's was 39.9 and Lamy's 32.5

>>8388317
kek

>>8387703
be lamy

>>8387798
It never fails to make me laugh, thinking that being in agreement with voices in ones head makes it a popular opinion

the other two are fucked because the debut video isn't on their channel, not getting higher numbers than the previous ones. rip.

Is owl still shadowbanned? The fact that it's a relay might be able to negate some of the debuffs since they all know who's next. I'm more worried whether Owl can get anywhere close to the hype, especially after Kroni.

>>8387575
>deer has a boyfriend
That indie group is still seething. Literally zero proves, and only circle jerking each other.

>>8388634
>>8385317
It's on her channel if you aren't a retarded SEAnigger who doesn't know how to use youtube

>>8387575
Is she really namie? I followed that artist during my Pokemon/TKRB days so seeing her go corpo is so strange. As in seeing her have to pretend she did none of that, like talk about every detail of her life and family, and wear a different avatar
is so weird

another 80k prestream

>>8387703
>>8388465
>This stream right?
>https://holo.poi.cat/stream/hiE8dp-nR4U
+ this stream was right befor Miko's stream who had the highst peak 40k

>>8388945
Welcome to Nagu fans before Ina joined HoloEN

Owl is almost 88k pre straem

>>8388465
I meant the superchats but whatever. Fucking gachikois man, they have infinite money.

90k waiting right now. Owl will clear 100k easily but wonder will she reach past 110k.

93K peak

this one will break 100k

>91k waiting to 39k
well, susan surely cut owlgirl more than the rest today

>>8389397
She managed 91k but was 2 min late.

>>8388714
you can sort videos on her channel and find it this way, but yeah.. normies are fucked

lmao, Susan committing outright assassinations.

>>8389763
It happens cause yt din’t automatically refresh so waiting stays waiting even when stream starts.

Owl waiting room peaked at 93k

ADORABLE ADORABLE

Oh no, she’s cute. She might be the one for me. That ballz rrat better prove me wrong.

>>8390029
Susan is the manipulator in the HoloCouncil lore video. She cannot be DENIED.

is this Sach!?

Good fuck her voice is cute. I want to ram my cock down her throat so bad.

>rhombus rigger
oh no no no

>the fucking rigger got another cunny vtuber
WHY COVER

Frozen for spam viewers verification already

>>8353060
>85k
OH NO NO NO NO

LOSING TO AN INDIE

>>8392407
Almost as annoying as chumbuds or kuzufags.

>rhombus rigger
>another one with a boyfriend
holobros... i don't feel so good

>>8392407
It was a observer match. Her peak is 90k

>>8392576
Kneel to Hal. The true king of numbers.
Till Kuzuha 1 mil stream

>>8392407
Not just any indie, emperor Hal. I doubt anyone would be miffed for his amazing numbers regardless of preference for chuubas

whats up with holo rigging? at least nijinigs upgrade their shit eventually but this is just embarassing

>>8392639
Why are you responding to bait? At least call him a retard or something.

>it's shachi
>cute voice
>smol
>shit rigging
gura 2.0

>>8392778
Sorry. I was too busy jerking off to owl.

>>8392576
If you genuinely think a ShibuHalfag is in these threads you're insane.

>>8392407
I kneel to Hal.

Didn't JP gen 5 get over 100k btw?

4/5 HoloEN2 are unbelievably boring. They won't bring big numbers at all. I predict them go below 5k average viewers after a month of streaming.

>>8392965
But I love Apex. Hal is my JP Apex oshi. Selen for EN.

>>8393114
i would not call heli outright boring, though i didnt check her past life vods yet. but yeah deer and owl are donezo.

>>8390941
>is this Sach!?
Sounds like her.

>>8393033
They did, but still about 20k lower than Hal's stream.

>>8392774
shin rigged her in the ass.
at least Time girl is save

This whore is as boring as she looks. She was supposed to be the best.

>>8393336
Need more clues.

>>8392786
>has boyfriend

>>8393362
Hal is the king. Kuzuha can do well but Hal is doing it basically as an indie. With big name sponsor tournaments, and the biggest view counts. He is unironically the most important vtuber for JP growth.

>93k pre stream
>stuck at 90k
What the fuck youtube? Is it adblocker or people tab out and posting in this board like me right now?

>>8393484
time girl has shit proportions and weird overstylised face. rigger did a decent job salvaging that.

(you)re justanother nijifag
>>8386562

>>8394014
Probably people set their computer up to play in background while they sleep and is now stuck at waiting. Also 93k was only for a moment. She stayed at 90k for most of the transition. .

>>8392407
Good Morning King

>>8394014
People was filtered by her blandness. The Helicopter girl is easily the best followed by the asmr girl.

>>8394014
People realized that it's 4'th boring member out of HoloEN2 and went straight to their last hope's waiting room.

>>8394737
>asmr girl
but there is no reason to pick anyone but Noel for that in holo.

>>8394014
Neither. My theory is there is a system similar to the VOD freeze (when it gets too many views from the start) that freezes the CCV count until it finishes verifying whatever

>>8394176
>rigger did a decent job salvaging that
true

Holo debut numbers

>>8391852
I HATE

>>8394176
Keffiy is the best in the business, meanwhile this retard took the best design of the gen (owl) and made it unwatchable

>>8394919
But it has been 27 minutes already

>>8395563
there is rrat that shin rigged Rat

>>8395563
Is this gonna be another rendition of orange woman bad? Should I go and warn my general of our thread going to be bumped off from another millions of garbage threads?

>>8394014
It's halved.
You can see this effect clearly on short "mistake" streams of smaller streamers, where VOD streams will be exactly double what live viewers are even if the stream was only a minute long.
Youtube does this for monetary reasons, 100k is more than most cable channels get for most programs, 1 million and more competes with primetime talk shows.
Streaming companies would be able to negotiate for better terms from youtube if they didn't suppress numbers.
Thank you for listening to what the voices in the wall tell me.

>>8395388
They're shadowbanned, seeing them plateauing?

>>8396072
>Is this gonna be another rendition of orange woman bad?
if you are not a fun of Space you re fine, anon

>>8396072
Naw the one with neo egg schizos is the green one

A constant 90k throughout the debut is pretty impressive. Most people just check in and leave but it seems she’s either keeping them or more are coming in than leaving.

>>8391621
>>8391836
It's Rariemonn, the guy that does 50% of holos

>>8396278
>shadowbanned
owl was, kindda.
you could not see her pre stream

>>8394753
literally nobody dropped, it just got suspiciously stuck

>>8395563
If I was a Cover CEO I would only hire the Watame rigger. It's still the most expressive model they have to date.

>>8396768
time
>>8387079

>>8395563
for some reason cover is very loyal to their riggers. and its not like theyr inhouse. its just freelancers lol. i genuinely do not understand, why sabotage yourself and your vtubers.

>>8396019
https://twitter.com/hakosbaelz/status/1429213564519079939
No she's done by Jujube who did a bunch of the new outfits and the homo's 2.0s, he's good

>>8397042
Why would they drop?
Bored people leave. New people enter. Balance remains.

>>8397129
Watame’s rigger is also Coco, Ollie and Kiaras, if I remember correctly. Its Keffiy >>8395563

>>8396278
>>8396977
??????

>>8397042
>suspiciously stuck
i bet that ppl who found her stream are they same ppl who are genuinely interested in relay

kneel.

>>8397189
That pretty cool. I was going to assume they get low numbers or something since they lost all their subs for the week. I didn’t expect them to get NijiEN numbers for debut but didn’t think they get this much.

>>8397319
>you could not see her pre stream
on her channel (you can read the thread)
+Time didnt mention her debu in the end of stream

the rat is probably the only one that can possibly reach Botan's debut numbers

>>8397468
I am groveling beneath The Great Emperor.

its that shachi girl? she is not new to streaming, no reason for her to be so boring. yeah. wasted design. i dont think these are NUMBERS chuubas. just some fodder midgets. maybe they can bring some attention to holoen and revitalize gawr gura.

I like Sana (Space) and Kronii (Time) best so far. I thought I would like Owl more, but don’t.

Rrat girl might hit 100k.

>>8397468
to who? the nigger?

>>8397129
Do you have any idea how long it takes to rig a model properly? It's like saying you'll only ever buy something from one chef, except you need to eat almost 50 times a day and a meal takes a month to properly prepare.

>8397468
literally who?

>>8397780
If she even breaks 100k, that would be surpassing expectations. Botan's record can only be broken by Hologen 6.

>>8397780
I surely doubt. See >>8382619, Botan debut had a hype around it even among the holos that nothing matched so far

>>8398026
5 models once a year. Pay the man.

>>8398222
Just this year alone there's been, off the top of my head, 22 new models, and there's probably more that I've missed. Relying on a single rigger for your entire company is impossible once you go beyond 3-5 people.

>>8398020
her stream fucked too
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgmPnx-EEeOrZSg5Tiw7ZRQ/featured

>>8398513
i'm just saying the guy does quality work, pay him well and he can do the entire gen. the rhombus guy should never be allowed near a PC again.

>>8398222
That’s also assuming he’s not getting jobs from outside as well. Riggers are the same as the artist that cover hires, probably contacted to make a few and having different riggers to save on money. Doubt the good ones are cheap.

>>8398998
of course he's in demand, that's why Cover should pay him a lot for his services. Not the flat rate.

>>8398701
This wasn't even rhombus guy but Rariemonn whose work is generally pretty decent although he does have some misses (like this clearly). Keffiy, Irie Tou and Jujube are their 3 best for sure and if I were Cover I'd go to those guys before anyone else

I think Owl is more of an upload type of VTuber (relying on uploads for subs), so that should be interesting.

>>8399106
That’s stupid since a company have to consider their budget and how much control and say they have in negotiating their pay. If you rely on a single rigger that same rigger can easily fuck you over by charging you even more, do a half ass job or pull a Mizuryu kei and ask for something unreasonable like wanting to fuck Watame.

>>8399374
>Rariemonn
if i recall correctly he riiged nature(or space)

>>8400091
So do a contract and work rates out. They do the highest quality work, they should do all the major gen models.

nuberbros, owl girl is fucking miss (i dont care who she "was").
my bet that even Natuer girl will beat her

Why are you talking about non numbers things

>>8400439
They probably do have a standard contract, which is probably why rhombus rigger get so much work, and is assigned certain models. He did rig most of the higher quality models, like Ollie and Kiara, but he can’t rig all of them since that’s unreasonable no matter how you look at it even if not because of money because of time.
It would be like having the same one composer for an entire company making music. It never works out well.

>>8400185
He rigged nature which was much better than this, space is ilie_tou who is probably in the S-tier along with Keffiy

>>8400439
Its pointless to say this anon, we dont know if cover tried to retain him on permanrnt basis like rariemon and ordan. For all we know this guy refused to do a whole gen, or picky with design he is willing to work, or maybe this guy need months to work on one just because autusm.

>>8400585
>nuberbros, owl girl is fucking miss (i dont care who she "was").
Well she created numbers before Hololive, so she will likely create numbers after it. Probably generating fame through uploads.

>>8400585
>my bet that even Natuer girl will beat her
Nature girl is going to be EN Lamy. Average game numbers, 10k+ ASMR streams and a shitton of SCs. Mumei had a vanilla debut, but we'll see what she can provide later.

>>8399581
she seems on the normal side of streaming like ame however she also does music.
so we have 2 musical holos
1 asmr artist
and 1 artsit.
i wonder what the rrat niche would be? i hope she is a dj.

>>8401444
LMAO Kronii's voice is pure sex but I wouldn't say she's a musical holo. She teased a song, but her singing is in the bottom half of holoEN imo from what we've seen.

>>8401444
is seru musical?

>>8401444
I’m hoping Rrat is more the comedy type, rather than another artist. I think she needs to be like Sana: meaning focused on entertaining chat (joking around and stuff). I don’t care if she sings or not either.

>>8401160
I know that Keffiy probably works freelance since he did a bunch of rigging for indies. Alice Mana, who redebuted a while ago, had him as her rigger.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aYP91aoj49c

I don’t know if he’s expensive of if it was because her new artist, Nabi, had connections and was able to get him to do the work for her.

>>8401107
Nature is better but if you look at her left side, the "mask" becomes visible.

>>8401444
kronii you could call more a VA who can sing

>>8402022
is more when she looks down and to te side.

>>8401444
>what the rrat niche would be?
according to rrat Rat is Senaz/Nyaners kind of singer, but way below Sen

>>8401828
this is not seru

>>8401077
I would pay a high premium for keffiy cause Watame and Coco 2.0 are fantastic.

>>8402160
Shit, that actually sounds pretty gucci. Maybe she is the goorah killer.

>>8402088
>a VA who can sing
And this is good. Really good. They need to find more people with great voices and train them to to VA work if only to further expand the reach of the Hololive brand via anime.

>>8402349
>singer, but way below Sen

>>8401405
she has a boyfriend so no

>>8402160
>Senaz
well so far the rrats were only right about 1.5 out of 5 (one was easy because of artstyle, the half they were wrong long ago, but recent ones did not guess it right)

>>8402726
you'd be surprised on who else also got a boyfriend

As you can see pre-debut subs don't mean shit. Owl had most subs and she couldn't even reach Ceres peak.

>>8403228
No shit.

>>8403010
HoloEN is really hard to guess because they hire from all over the place unlike Nijien who almost exclusively hires indie vtubers who have suspicious graduations just before debuts.

rrat waiting room seems kinda fucked, i dont think shell get too high

>>8403554
Fubuki and Mio both started streaming, so some of the viewers might've been diverted to them.

>>8403010
>rrats were only right about 1.5
do your reps anon
>Space
>Nature
>Owl
was right call
>Time
wasnt
ps i know about Hana, BUT i personally doubt it (because of several things) and heard another rrat about Nature's VA wich end up being correct
so 3 out of 4 right now

>>8387575
>you're delusional if you think anyone is dropping nijiEN for this
you're delusional if you think there are more than 10 people who only watch nijiEN but don't watch holoEN

this had absolutely no impact on nijiEN so far, elira is getting 1.4k doing a sc reading

>>8403228
read fucking thread
falsflagger

>>8403554
because it's kinda hard to search for her

>>8403214
mafumafu is not a real man

>>8403554
>>8403683
you cannt see pre stream on her channel normies fucked

>>8403878
cause Elira SC readings are super cute

>>8402726
You want to bet no one gives a fuck?

>>8403878
Probably since no one who watches Holo gives a shit about Niji. Niji got their own fans, Holos watch their own and avoid them like dog shit on pavement.
I hide every clipfag that recommend me anything nijiEN related because fuck you.

>>8401444
>i wonder what the rrat niche would be?
Please be a pro gamer.

>>8403750
cmon, anon. there might be 100 niji-elitarians

>>8404234
youtube doesnt recommend me them kek

>>8403878
To be fair, she wasn't getting 1.4k 20 mins ago. Could be people moved over after Mumei ended their debuts as they wait for Baelz. We'll see in 12 mins when Baelz debuts.

https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/T6nj5773ONs

>>8404234
>Niji got their own fans, Holos watch their own and avoid them
in what universe, tribalfag?

>>8404234
>no one who watches Holo gives a shit about Niji
NijiEN's chat is filled with holo memes like bottom left and shit, there absolutely is an overlap

>>8404315
>Please be a pro gamer.

>>8404725
delusional nijifags think that New EOP vtuber audience pop out of nowhere just because of niji debuted EN gens

Just taking a look at rat ball’s chat and its giving me giga AIDs. Looks like rratfags are going to overthrow cumbuds are the worse and most insufferable fanbase. So she is a gura killer in a way.

>>8405006
ogey

>>8404949
Only idiots think that way.
Real nijifags know that they will get their audience gradually, just by being better and more talented than HoloEN.
And it looks like Cover didn't get that yet, judging by their shitty HoloEN2 gen.

looks like rrat won't surpass clock's peak

>>8405221
is this the legendary nijicope?

>>8405221
>Real nijifags know that they will get their audience gradually, just by being better and more talented than HoloEN.
Holy copium trioxide nijiggerman.

>>8405221
Cool story falseflagger.

>>8405006
>hate towards new holo chuba who did not even debut yet.
why are elitist nijifags like this

>>8405221
>>8405414
Samefag

>>8405221
>shitty HoloEN2 gen

How many viewers did Guras debut peaked at?
I just want to see, how much HoloEN inclined during 1 year time.

>>8405468
Im not a nijifag, dipshit. I’m just saying her chat is going to be a spew of fresh rrats anus diaherra. She better learn to tardrangle them or they’re shape up worse than both teakeks and cumsharts.

>>8404585
>700
jesas

Susan...

>>8405221
>judging by their shitty HoloEN2 gen.
cope, rest is ok

>>8405599
78k I think

Lmao, so many holoretards in this tread, just seething because their new Gen is such a garbage. Even Petra easily beats all of them!

>>8405599
>How many viewers did Guras debut peaked at?
real question

>>8405861
Legendary nijicope

>>8405861
Unironically Shachi turned out to be worse than Petra who was assumed to be Shachi.

80k prestream
a little lower than te rest
probably becasue euros are going to sleep

Jops just waking up also.

The nijinigger is running scared, you can smell their fear

>>8405221
lmao

>>8405861
>Even Petra easily beats all of them!
I post an image but thats a waste of effort. Here’s your (you) faggot.

>>8405861
It’s quite a feat that you’re more boring that fucking petra. Apart from the kroni who’s pure sex, she doesn’t seem that entertaining and the rest bore me.

I hope the rrat is the one.

>>8406121
Her vod was hidden til the last 10 minutes.