/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Not EN
Go back

Being a grifting piece of shit who milks you just before she goes to fuck some Japanese musician's tiny phimosis dick is amazing, alright.
Just not amazing in the way you think it is.

Wait last stream is just a zatsu? They didn't made a special farewell with many members participating just like for Coco?

>>83847336
It's in 20 more hours anon. She is gonna have a final marathon of streams after this and ended it all with a concert

>83847304
Now that's some genuan nijiseethe.
Didn't think you fags where still alive.

>>83847200
Getting one last squeeze out of those holobots.

Pathetic, coco got 500k

>>83847482
>you fags where still alive.
Of course the one guy replying to me is an unironic third worlder.

>>83847304
Eh beats sending harrassing army on your former coworkers to catapult your career with drama like the redditdragons did.

>>83847292
(You)

>>83847200
damn only 100k? those are EN numbers, not worthy of a JP

>>83847688
It's a schizo Indonesian sister

>>83847200
was it the last stream? no concert?

>>83847200
I have a feeling she will break Coco's grad stream numbers tomorrow. What was it, again? 450k?

>>83848346
Last zatsu. Her grad stream will be tomorrow at 8PM JST.

>>83848458
thanks

>>83848393
495k

Was it worth to fire one of the pillar talents only so the chinese bugs can let you in again Cover?

Was it fucking worthy going for the bug's pennies?

>>83847200
Is a graduation stream the vtuber equivalent of severance pay?

>>83847816
TRUTH. At least Aqua isn't a dramafag, I'd prefer she ride off into the sunset than turn into a pity grifter

>>83848393
I highly doubt that. avatar 2 made way less than the first one, sequels always have diminishing returns

>>83848469
QRD?

>>83848185
>damn only 100k? those are EN numbers,
Maybe in 2020, but no EN has made it over 100k for a non debut stream in years

>>83848974

>>83848393
Coco had so many buffs it was unreal (retiring at the apex of her carrer, during vtubing most popular phase, after a controversy that made the national news in Taiwan, with almost every other holo as a guest).
The only one who I can see beating her with their graduation stream is someone like Pekora or Gura

>>83849140
Glad she's on the way out then. Nothing of value was lost.

>>83847304
>>83849140
lmao, she hasn't even graduated yet and you're already doing the "she deserved it for BETRAYING holo" rrats.
Let me guess, she also was never popular or good and this isn't a major loss to the company

>>83847619
On her last stream.. which was in 3D.
And almost everyone in the company participated in it, except for holostars.

>>83849369
Why did you quote (>>83849140)?
I didn't say anything about it being a good thing or a bad thing.

>>83849140
holy fucking King RRat

>>83848393
Possible but I don't think so she graduated at the company's peak, I doubt 500k people care that much about any holo at this point besides maybe Pekora or Gura

>>83849140
People like to clown on Mikeneko for having X personality disorder, therefore she is a liar who can't ever be trusted.
The thing is, her claim here is so specific and didn't get any follow-up whatsoever, that it most likely was not a lie.

>>83847200
>Aqua said she's ready for it
>said it's finally hitting her now
>"I'm really graduating tomorrow, huh..."
>Aqua almost on tears
>saying she's gonna miss the other holo members
>actually said "Maybe I'll just not graduate!" because of being too sad
>Nene called in
>telling her not to graduate
>Aqua replies that she will and made up her mind
I am fully convinced that this is all the fault of management or whatever the fuck is happening inside Cover that is forcing these girls to do work they don't want to do and Aqua really doesn't want to graduate.
I FUCKING HATE IT.

>>83847292
kys

>>83848469
>>83849140
If this rrat is true as a unicorn I unironically will be happy for her, support her decision and have my respect, not like the other green bitch that lied and then lied again.

>>83849761
>>83849140
So Aqua is leaving Hololive and the idol life to get married?
Eh, good for her.

>>83849707
damn, if she's really waffling at this point and other members are begging her not to, maybe it really is a management fuck up

>>83849074
Gura could easily get it if she wanted to do unarchived karaoke

>>83849268
If Aqua of all people could snag a bf than they definitely all have one

>>83849761
>>83849866
most people who are upset about this on /vt/ have no stake in the relationship and are most likely falseflagging
everyone graduates someday, and wanting to start a family is probably as valid of a reason as you can get

>>83849440
>except for holostars
kek

>>83849707
Lmao what could Cover even do that is so oppressive to Aqua? How can Cover be this machiavellian tyrannical company while at the same time bitches like Gura, Ayame or Shion can disappear for months, come back for a sponsored paycheck and fuck off for another 5 months? This whole
>management is forcing the girls!
Narrative its retarded when the girls seem to have the easiest most relaxing job in the planet. Even the big concerts aren't required, we've seen it with Haachama missing FES for health reasons and Ame flat out refusing to be part of the New Years concert just because she didn't want to do it. Does that sound like an oppressive work environment? Where if you don't want to do something all you have to do is say no?

>>83849707
The part that hits the most with Nene is she called in despite being in hiatus, while not sounding like her usual cheerful self and crying while telling Aqua not to graduate.

>>83849140
Aqua joined Hololive to be a streamer and an idol, kept her head down and gave her 110%. I really couldn't care less that she's been dating and/or graduating to get married or whatever. Still worlds better than erb constantly shilling holostars or kronii taking to twitter after getting all wishy-washy with her fans.

>>83849917
Surely...

>>83849761
i mean there would definitely be cause for despair if she ever did gfe like rushia did.
aqua belongs to the category of entertaining streamers. always sad to see them go

>>83850219
Agree 100%.

>>83850168
This sounds like a 15yo that has never ever had a job in his life and has no idea what it means to work for a company.

You need to complete high school to be here.

>>83849866
Isn't that like, the normal ending? These girls aren't going to keep pretending to do gfe roleplay forever

>>83850219
I literally give 0 fucks about everything you've just said, but it does trigger me when people criticize Kronii and ERB for anything but their extremely bland streamer personalities.

If Marine started talking about getting gangbanged by the whole Holostars team, I would still watch her, because Marine is one of the most talented female entertainers in the world.

>>83848864
I dearly hope she is just done with vtubing for her fans. I am glad Sana also really quit instead of hopping around kicking up shit.
A hard cut hurts but it is also healthy to draw that end line.

>>83849140
do retards like you even realize than an idol graduating to marry is perfectly fine for idol fans?
in fact if this was the reason (it's not) it would be extra stupid because Hololive fans do not uphold the same standards of the rest of the idol industry

>>83850342
Enlighten me what's so hard for Aqua to do? I'm sure you're totally going to reply.

>>83848469
>>83849140
Good for her.

>>83847200
was it 70k or over 100k that were there for Coco's last chat frame as well?

>>83850219
Yes anon, the popularity of certain Promise talents on this message board makes it fairly evident that fans care far less about girls in relationships.

>>83847200
ERB got more in her debut

damn so aqua really is getting married. good riddance.

>>83850531
Think for yourself faggot, can't you at least do that?

>>83847200
>for the last time
DYBRI?

>>83849140
Regardless of if this is true or not, I hope for Aqua's happiness from the bottom of my heart.

>>83850514
What does Aqua gain by revealing that she's getting married before she graduates?
It's a net negative for everyone involved. Think about it logically a bit.

>>83850630
nta but nijinigs aren't sending their best

>>83849866
>>83849761
Even if this is true which is an if, I'm sure she's going to keep streaming anyway under another persona. She wouldn't say "creative differences" as her reason for leaving if she wasn't planning to, she'd just say flat out she's retiring. and it's not like being married makes you ineligible to be a holo

>>83850630
Nice answer I can tell you're very smart anon, good job.

>>83849140
Marriage is quite literally the only thing that would make any sense of any of this, it's actually shocking how that could be it for once.

>>83850741
She gets everyone to understand her decision and be happy for her.
and since that's an easily understood reason we don't get people turning on holo being a black company ruled by shareholders and IPOs forcing out their creative talent by making them to do corpo shit all the time, which we got based on the things she actually said with her mouth.

>>83849707
Doubtful. The girls who have actually worked for shitty companies before don't understand aqua's complaints themselves, and are perfectly happy with how things are.

>>83851146
>She gets everyone to understand her decision and be happy for her.
bro? then why has no holomem yet disclosed that they have a boyfriend or spouse if it's that easy?
fuck outta here

>>83851149
this
it's literally just someone who doesn't realize that hololive is a dream job in every regard. even if the turnover is 10 years max that's still 10 years of making more money doing nothing but 2 hours of consumer-facing work a day for 3-4 days a week, and you're not even doing tech support or serving burgers; all people want is to see you laugh or scream from horage's or just fuck around. she, and every other member of hololive, will literally never have a better job in their entire lives without a decade of training for something like a doctor.
why the fuck would you quit

>>83851149
I can trust that most of them are happy where they are and also believe that holo is going down a hyper monetized, even more squeaky clean corpo route that's going to frustratingly stifle a lot of the things the talents want to do and potentially ruin the company in the long term.
These aren't incompatible statements

>>83848469
Mikeneko lost

>>83851462
If I felt creatively bankrupt in Hololive I'd just make another persona and do all my creative passion projects there. We know Cover has no problem with it, there are several girls with successful public personas outside Hololive. Some even prioritize the non Holo work.

>>83849140
>Getting married.
>Retires from Hololive.
The right decision. Good on her if true.

>>83851276
NTA, but because they aren't graduating?

>>83849140
This would actually be based if true. The respect for your fans (and husband) it takes to retire before the major life change commitment of marriage is the ideal you'd want instead of decades of lying forever (if the lying bothers you of course, which it doesn't have to).

The problem everyone has with Aqua is that they all believe she's immediately going to reappear with a different account and that is scummy shit. At least Coco, Mel and Sana abandoned vtubing entirely.

>>83849707
Take your meds managers can do no wrong

>>83851704
are you saying that there shouldn't be any talent in hololive that is married?

>>83847292
>>83847304
>>83847619
>>83848185
>>83848469
>>83848699
>>83849140
>>83849268
>>83850219
>>83850614
>>83850741
>mfw unicorns turn out to be seething femanons
kys, all of (You)

>>83851764
>Coco, Mel
Uhh....

>>83851861
It's fine if they are married when they start.

>>83851764
>At least Coco, Mel... abandoned vtubing entirely.
uwotm8

>>83851764
> The problem everyone has with Aqua is that they all believe she's immediately going to reappear with a different account and that is scummy shit
>everyone
Not really. She is graduating in good terms with the blessing of the management and members. There isn't anything wrong with keep streaming.
It'd be like an idol graduate to move on and join another idol group, or to be an actress or singer - nothing scummy about that

>>83851883
I thought Mel was going to become a vtuber again but she's a PNGtuber. Maybe she intends to come back, idk.

>>83847292
Show some respect

>>83851865
Shouldn't you be liking and retweeting ERB's tweets right now? It's prime time in the UK.

>>83851415
Many of the girls have said being a holo is extremely fucking hard and they have insane schedules to follow between streams, meetings, merch or collaboration shit, and concert/event prep. In addition they also have to constantly wrestle against management, be careful about image, worry about stalkers, make sure they're following all the rules, while working on their own to make whatever creative projects or streams they want to do happen. This all gets multiplied for ENs because of language barrier. One of the best things about holo is they have the self awareness to know this shit can suck and they're extremely lenient about them taking long breaks. So yeah they earn the money they get with shit tons of hard work and don't act like you understand shit about what that looks like or pretend to be confused that it could get to be too much for someone

>>83851865
Those are retarded schizos, not your average unicorns

>>83851462
Not to mention that I think people don't give enough credit to what it takes to be entertaining. For every Gura who gets away with not streaming and still gets massive pay, you have 5 Lunas who get a decent following but have to stream consistantly and interact and make their fans happy on a weekly basis.

>>83851415
>>83851608
I have no horse in this race but your perspective is clearly from a purely economic standpoint. You can't understand why anyone would quit when you view things that way, and its perfectly logical to think that way. But people have different priorities in life, and there's nothing wrong with not wanting to milk every last cent out every opportunity you get.

>>83851946
Of course it's scummy, because then the reasons given for why she's leaving are all lies (either outright lies or lies by omission). If she's leaving to do the same thing she was able to do (but now without her supposed friends), then there was some other reason she left that had nothing to do with Hololives but negotiable things she wasn't willing to negotiate.

>>83847200
Don't forget no one in Hololive will ever think or speak about her after this

>>83851861
No, but if you find that your career gets in the way of starting a family, then quitting your job is a-okay.

>>83851977
Keep in mind most of the girls that said shit like that never had a proper job before, they either went from HS to youtube/streaming immediately, maaaaybe did some cashier shit for a couple months or just lived with their parents the whole time. The few girls that had real hard working jobs are the ones that fawn over hololive 24/7.

>>83851977
>multiplied for ENs because of language barrier
And then exponentially lessened by being a sidebranch and no managers actually giving a fuck what they do.

>>83851759
Clearly if you can only mention something while graduating, it's a bad thing to mention, period, no?
If she said that she's graduating due to wanting a family, unicorns may start attacking or investigating other members.

But also, you won't be able to make as much money, because people will assume you will be financially taken care of, or whales may get upset that they're being left for another man and no longer give their red superchats.

>>83852077
My point was literally about having a creative outlet, how is that purely from an economic standpoint? What more could the girls want or need?

so.. how her vshoujo model is gonna be? i bet for a loli.

You can love your oshi from the bottom of your heart but she'll always find the only one usually looking like a literal faggot for some reason

Jebus, how many songs did she have in the pipeline and why were they in there for so long? Can't imagine all of these were delayed for the graduation.

>>83852363
Who know but we need to wait until sometime next year anyway

>>83847619
Cocofags still being insufferable, I see.

>>83852156
Or maybe she just doesn't want to do the extra, non-streaming works, yet doesn't want to just coast along while her friends do those either?

>>83851415
You're like the fags who whenever an expose comes out about a game studio being a living hell to work for drops comes out with the "well they get to make video games for a living so their job can't be hard" not realizing that that's the exact excuse scummy middle managers use to compel staff to work 22 hour days with veiled threats of being laid off if they don't.
Holo might not be anywhere near that universe of bad, but it's hard to believe they don't utilize similar coercion. "Yeah concerts are technically optional because they're a ton of work, but we're like a big family here, and your family really wants to see you on that stage, besides don't you have a few original songs you're waiting on approval for?"

>>83852299
You quite literally said it yourself. Their creative outlets, from your perspective, is still non-Holo WORK. What if they want to devote themselves to things that will never be publicized or monetized? Or better yet, simply just wants to move on because she's already set up for life?

>>83848469
If this is true I respect Aqua for graduating before becoming a whore and staining the name of hololive.

>>83852727
So she wants to work hard but not too hard. Again, negotiable. She wasn't fired.

>>83852363
marriage is the literal opposite of being a whore

>>83849140
>aqua getting married
No...this can't be true right? She can't be doing this, she was supposed to marry me, what am I supposed to do now
?

>>83849140
>Aqua quitting Hololive to marry a man who abuses her
I hope she finds happiness but holy fuck I also hope that isn’t true

>>83849140
GOD OF RRATS, INFUSE ME

Good Lord, the smell of unwashed fat cunt in this thread is appalling

>>83852995
If he's willing to stay with her after using up her body, he's as good as it gets.

>ITT brand warriors who see holo as a Disney paradise cannot fathom that it's a real job and there are any number of reasons why someone would want to leave a job and pursue something else, even if it's mostly the same thing in another environment
This happens literally all the fucking time in entertainment, you don't need secret boyfriend rrats to explain it

>>83852933
>>83852878

>>83847200
Didn't Pekora do those numbers while streaming dragon ball kakarot?

Either aqua is weak as a streamer, or pekora is smarter than everybody else.

Every night aqua was being raw dogged by her man, months before graduation. Let that sink in and marinate after every stream she was guzzling gallons

>>83853114
>or pekora is smarter than everybody else.
pekora is great at leeching viewers from smaller or equivalent streamers

>>83853211
Unironically this

>>83853182
I am sure some people would be up in arms about it, but the amount of aqua fans on 4chan/vt/ is probably in the low 2-digits, meaning you won'f find those people /here/

>>83852732
You cannot be comparing a series of 9-9 desk jobs to a job where you primarily work your own hours. Yes, there's studio hours and recordings and they'll be stressful, but for the most part your job as a vtuber is to stream whenever the hell you want. You're a fucking retard.

>>83853107
>This happens literally all the fucking time in entertainment,
Yes, usually because people in the entertainment industry are retarded.
Marine said that she'll work for Cover no matter what, which is understandable considering she used to be an overworked grunt in a black company.

Aqua was handed millions of dollars on a silver platter.
She doesn't know how good she has it until she loses it.

>>83850219
Is she really getting married? That's nice. Fuck Japan. they tell the young people to get mariied and have big families then ostracize you when you do if your an idol. Make up you mind boomers. Do you want pure Nihongo blood flowing through your citizens or do nothing to address the problem and rely on immigrant work force to take over the population.

>>83853107
Vtubing is not the same as an actor job.

>>83853415
Successful indies unironically make more than holos because there's no corpo cut and they get complete control over sponsorships

Chat for 4view and up is pointless. She isn't talking to literally (You) just a mass. Holofags can have their mourning but she's talking at you not to you.

>>83853496
source: my fucking ass

>>83853304
>but for the most part your job as a vtuber is to stream whenever the hell you want
Your job as a member of hololive is to be an ad that generates money for the brand. Streaming is not a necessary part of that

80% botted views

>>83853107
>This happens literally all the fucking time in entertainment
And unlike the entertainment industry your job is to playing video games, talk, and have fun with people. You're not recording movies or writing drama's.
No, Hololive isn't the perfect company in the world, but even if you ignore the cost there is no fucking job in this world where you can not work at it for 7+ months and still get a paycheck higher than a vast majority of your company with absolutely zero training or direct value to society.

>>83853556
>Your job as a member of hololive is to be an ad that generates money for the brand.
... and also streaming whenever the hell you want. The ad does not exist without the person because the person is the ad. By that logic, Omega is just as important to Hololive as Sora is, since they're all interchangeable functions, or corporate shills, or whatever you wanna say next. You don't need me to tell you how retarded that is.

>>83849140
Cool to have confirmation. I was expecting this ever since she announced graduation and was even more sure when she was trying to explain the reasons.
Holo girls are busy as fuck, it's not the life you can lead while trying to focus on family. A-chan graduated for family reasons too, except in her case it was taking care of old sick folks at home.

>>83853556
>durrrrrrrrrrrrr all corporate streamers are just billboards for dah brand
Does the brain damage hurt after the initial blunt force trauma or are you so used to that emptiness in your skull that it doesn't register anymore?

>>83853715
I'm saying what hololive believes.
They're an IP company not a talent company, streaming is one of their weakest sources of revenue and that's why they don't care that Gura doesn't stream because she still appears on ads, merch, and in concerts. Those are the things that are valuable to them

>>83853415
Beyond the fact that you somehow think renumeration is the singular most important thing in life, why the fuck would she have a compelling reason to keep staying if she's already been handed millions and has the option to go do literally anything else?
>But muh millions on the table
Yea keep staying in the rat race till the day you die, you won't regret it

>>83849140
Good. Most of them are already in their 30s and still can't find a partner because unicornfags keep seething

>>83853529
You can't tell me that holos with all the hoops their money has to go through first are somehow making more than actual twitch whores who don't have to deal with any of that shit and are even more shameless at milking simps

>>83853845
>streaming is one of their weakest sources of revenue
What? The only time it's not second to merch is when they do a fuckton of concerts in a short timespan, and even then it's usually pretty close. Do you want me to link you ever IR or something?

>>83849140
I would believe this if it werent for the announcement. Im sure even he knows making an announcement about a relationship this early is extremely tone deaf. But no matter the real reason, aqua ends with me tomorrow and thats that.

>>83847200
What did she say I don't speak moon runes

>>83853899
NTA but why can she not simply stay in hololive and collect a check for years doing fuck and all? Ayame does it.

>>83853916
DYRBI?

>>83849140
This I can actually accept.

what makes me sad is that i felt her social anxiety is real but at work she is surrounded by a big group of loving, caring people and i think she made some progress to come out of her shell a bit. I'm "woried" she will regress outside of that loving environment and get back at being full neet. so many holo idols were teasing her, imitating he ways, but always in a caring way to connect and include her... you won't find this in many other workplaces. i didn't knew her that well but i don't think she plays it up and the extra stress that comes with more interactions and big projets probably is why she is going away. i'll miss her being the wallflower that get distressed when she get too much attention or even is just alone with someone. if she was good then maybe others like her can feel good too.

>>83854092
Because she doesn't want to?
Why do you still think money is the only thing that matters when they're all already millionaires

>>83854177
I'm not saying "money is the only thing that matters". I'm asking you why can she not simply stay in Hololive and collect a check doing absolutely nothing. Does doing nothing cause her an immense amount of stress?

>>83847292
where to chocoball

>>83849140
The funny thing is that there's rrats like this for almost half of HoloJP or maybe more. That explains why the JP girls were so confused that Aqua wanted to graduate over this, because most of them already lead duo lives with no issues.

>>83854092
or she can cutoff hololive and collect a better check for the upcoming years

>>83853845
Streaming is their most important source of money purely because of the fact that like you yourself are saying, they're an IP company. IP's only mean anything when they're marketed. How is Hololive, a streamer company, marketed?
Fucking christ some of you are dumb as a sack of bricks.

>>83854230
>Doing nothing
Despite what all shitposters on this board believe, not streaming doesn't mean they are doing nothing. They have tons of bullshit paperwork and shit they need to do outside of streaming. The fact that Aqua is leaving should be proof of this, since she doesn't want to do any of that anymore.

>>83849140
>all these gullible morons believing this made up bullshit with 10 layers of "trust me bro" and no sources

>>83854369
All of this is confirmed, you can go to /jp/ if you want evidence

>>83847619
On her 3D, not on a Zatsudan. You can only make comparations after her 3D tomorrow

>SOURCE? SOURCE? WHERE ARE YOUR SOURCES MISTER??!
kek, you can never have discuss a rrat without one of these faggots >>83854369

>>83848393
she certainly marketed just enough that everyone who checked out during the APEX saga came back, fuck even I just began to watch her zatsus when she began her graduation month
dunno if she'll beat coco, that whore had the entire absolutely starved EN population attending, all of which are now not watching the shark or moomin or acting like watching kiara is not torture.
Japan will definitely be there. A TON of chinese proxies will also be there. we might just see a new record.

>>83854230
As lenient as holo is I don't believe they let the talents actually do nothing except collect checks when they're "on break" Gura's always doing corpo shit, Ayame appears in shit, and even Nene was just at AnimeNYC while she's on "indefinate hiatus"
Aqua might just want to go all the way if she's not planning on doing any thing else for holo

>>83852619
Lmao

>>83854368
And what possible paperwork was Aqua doing during her long break? You know, the time where she explicitly was not doing any work for Hololive? What work was she doing for Hololive when she was not working on anything related to Hololive?

>>83849369
all he said is she's marrying
holy shit get a life, that coming from me of all people

>>83847200
Graduations are stupid and archaic and Hololive is fake and corny.

>>83854324
I know all this but the money people who boss Yagoo around now don't know this, because money people are universally retarded. Going full corpo to the extent that Holo is pushing means pushing concerts and merch over everything else, that's what they mean when they say "Talent company -> IP company" if you read between the lines

>>83854578
Paperwork that she's not going to tell you about because of NDAs, and you get fired frame 1 for breaking those, retard

>>83854635
based

>>83854730
Do you understand what a medical leave is?

>>83854429
>all of this
the part where aqua is marrying some guy she was Steam friends with in a few days based on a 5ch post by mikeneko that's also completely unrelated?
the meds - now

What prevents her from going indie and then collabing with hololive?

>>83854857
Nothing because that's what she's doing

>>83848393
She won't beat Coco. Hololive WAS all of vtubing back then, there was a lockdown pandemic buff, first graduation buff, geopolitics buff, and ENs actually cared about Coco. Meanwhile...Aqua is a relic and most of vtubing has forgotten her except for HoloJP fans.

>>83854857
Why would she ever go indie if the problem is paperwork like so many anons are saying? She'll only have more of it to do as one.

>>83854812
You don't have to call into work but you still need to read emails and your managers can call you for shit

>>83854857
She has pretty much hinted that she is going indie.

>>83854962
>and your managers can call you for shit
And what can they call you on? Please, tell me you believe it's "to work". I'm beggin' ya anon, I need the gutbuster.

>>83854938
That's what hiring a manager is for.
Every successful indie has one, they just can't tell you what to do like corpo mangers

>>83855004
Yes I'm saying that she probably had work to do during her "leave" is that an issue?

>>83855017
Is the implication here that hololive managers can somehow be outdone by independent managers? What?

>>83855090
What do you mean by "leave" in quotation marks? Her leave was a medical leave, that is an objective fact not up for debate. Laryngitis iirc, something with the throat and very core to keeping her streaming in the future. If you're going to start doubting her on that then basically everything falls apart.

>>83855114
no?
I'm saying you delegate a manger to figure out paperwork for you so you can stream instead of doing it yourself, instead of being assigned a manger who helps you out but expressly is there to keep you in line

>>83855017
>they just can't tell you what to do like corpo mangers
fucking lol

>>83848393
kinda sad that possibly the two most watched streams with record ccv are graduations

>>83855275
So you believe Hololive's managers aren't there to support the talents but to keep them in line? You would'va had a point if you took the you're your own boss angle, even if that one would fall apart since constantly getting rid of managers is a stupid idea for keeping your papers straight, but now you're just speaking like an anti.

>>83855351
Like an anti?
Anon, he is.

>>83855351
>So you believe Hololive's managers aren't there to support the talents but to keep them in line
Do you actually believe on any level this isn't true? That tard wrangling and making sure they don't hurt the company image is not part of their job description in any way?

>>83855351
NTA, but even with the best of intentions, the mane-sans have to fulfil the role of keeping the talents within the boundaries set by the company, even if they are primarily there to support them. Its just how corporations function.

>>83855462
They're still managers at the end of the day. The implication that they only exist to "keep people in line" and aren't a core part of the support for any given member is fucking dystopian. I don't blame you for not having any trust in a company after what happened with yours, but if your scenario were the case then they wouldn't be called managers to begin with. They'd be called wardens.

>>83855552
I'm not debating that, I'm saying the idea that their first role is to keep you in line is just dead wrong.

There used to be a webm of Aqua holding a Pokemon called Wooper and they were making funny noises. That was my first contact with Hololive.
Bye Aqua, don't evaporate out there.

>>83855588
>>83855638
I am very envious of you for having never worked a corporate job and not knowing what managers/supervisors actually do

>>83854962
Everyone knows this isn't true because there have been times where managers explicitly couldn't contact the talent like during Ina's hiatus where she "forgot" to have access to her Hololive phone.

>>83855704
And I'm very saddened by you whose only understanding of a corporate structure comes down to what he saw on a Netflix series. Well, you don't need any kind of reliable experience to shitpost on 4chan so I can't say I'm that sad for you.

>>83855284
Yeah? Because they are the managers boss and fire them if they want to

>>83855746
Ina was only gone for a few weeks and wouldn't have had to make the "teehee I forgot" excuse if the managers weren't trying to contact her in the first place

>>83855746
Anon...Ina was hanging out with HoloJP members offstream. Of course they could contact her.

>>83855997
She was gone for a long time, she hung out with HoloJP around the time she began returning.

>>83855704
NTA but there's a vast difference between a burger flipping manager and an idol manager. The former is a balding fuck whose got all kinds of issues and the latter is a person who can be the nofun police but is both explicitly above you but does everything they can in service of making your life specifically easier in regards to the job
Aqua and 100% of other holomens have the latter which is what people are talking about.

>>83848469
>>83849140
If this is true, let's just assess what happened
>she's never let this interfere with her streaming career, nor did she disrespect her viewers by ever alluding to it
>she does show her respect towards her viewers and her partner as well by graduating, while clearly showing how much she values the time spent among other holomems and with her fans
>the way she handled their supposed relationship was perfectly in line with what idols are supposed to do (most idols having relationships is pretty much an open secret, but they also use some sort of a public persona, which shouldn't mix with their personal one, thus they get shit on if they get caught as it breaks the illusion)
>graduating to marry is also perfectly in line with what idols usually do and fans have been respectful to this process for decades

Even the "unicorn" crowd wouldn't say anything negative about this. If someone does flip out, it's 99% that it's going to be a brown skinned shitposter who's never watched a single one of her streams. Saying that as someone who avoids holos who do male collabs and owns a lot of Aqua merch.

>>83854938
Depends. If she just wants to stream games and live off of donos and membas, she'll have an easier time. If she wants sponsors, merch and events, it's a whole other matter.

>>83856413
>Even the "unicorn" crowd wouldn't say anything negative about this.
Except, a true unicorn WOULD be upset, because she was secretly in a relationship with someone for long enough to have made plans to marry him during your career.

>>83856413
>she's never let this interfere with her streaming career
??

>>83856413
>she's never let this interfere with her streaming career
>it would literally be the explicitly reason she ended her streaming career
Listen I get what you're trying to say but you're saying it like a fucking retard.

>>83856697
>true unicorn
That's the remaining 1%. These are the kind of people who claim to love idol culture while knowing practically nothing about it and also being unironically mentally ill to a degree where they're practically indistinguishable from the remaining 99%, the vast crowd of brown shitposters.

>>83856859
No, a unicorn would be upset if a relationship is involved no matter what.

>>83856840
>>83856792
Might've worded it badly. What I meant to say is that her career, while she was at Hololive, did not show any signs of her being in a relationship. You could say that her extended period of break was caused by it, but at that point half of Hololive could be accused of doing the same. I'd rather her graduate and live a happy life, than continue half-assed, letting her career wither away while she becomes mentally ill and resentful.

>>83856697
True unicorns barely exist and if they do they are almost certainly not watching anyone in Hololive. Maybe Kanata.

>>83856938
I've hardly ever met unicorns like that outside /vt/ and I've been in the vtuber scene since 2020. And the ones on /vt/ never seem to show support to their favorites despite supposedly being fans, but always spew hatred when they don't like someone.
Being a unicorn does not necessarily mean you're unreasonable. You can be aware that you're living in a fantasy you've consciously put yourself into, and as long as you don't get forcefully woken up from thelat illusion, you'll be fine. A graduation is in line with that.

>>83854172
it's okay, suitowa are too outgoing to leave akutan to rot

>>83847292
>0,02 shekels have been deposited into your account

>>83856413
Well said anon.

>>83852878
She became a whore (if rrat is true) the moment she decided to fuck him behind her supporter's backs. Marriage is just the result of many bareback nakadashi nights you weren't aware of.

>>83857097
>they do they are almost certainly not watching anyone in Hololive
And why is that?

>>83856413
>Even the "unicorn" crowd wouldn't say anything
Anon, you have to remember that unicorns that this board houses are completely different from /jp/ unicorns and actual gachikoi. Not in a good way. Vtubers are their first exposure to idol culture and instead of assimilating, they force their delusional ideas into everything.

>>83856697
The true unicorns who would be upset gather around people like Rushia.
I don't think Aqua has ever talked about relationships and said she's definitely single or that she's going to marry her fans.
Maybe some fans might feel bitter about the long breaks thinking that they might have happened due to a relationship.

>>83857906
According to the "unicorns" of this board being in a relationship is acceptable as long as it never comes up on stream. They're the mildest unicorns ever as far as the private life of the talent is concerned. They only go berserk when they see a male vtuber on stream and even then they will forgive and forget after 2-4 weeks.

>>83848393
she might, but at what cost

>>83857906
Those aren't unicorns. Those are shitposting retards.

>>83847292

>>83857857
Because they prefer real idols?

If Aqua does turn out to have been dating some fag then what fate is there even left for the company? Every single one of these whores is capable of betraying their fans by hopping on the cock carousel and leaving once they've drained their viewers dry.

>>83858431
Hololive is real idols!

>>83847200
I'm sorry but giving wedding gifts to your parasocial e-wife is almost as bad as being a cuck
Imagine all the backshots before the wedding
Imagine all the cumshots after the wedding

>>83857906
Unicorns don't actually exist in western culture

>>83848469
He's just saying thank you to his fans on 15th anniversary.
You retards gobble everything up like toddlers.

>holos are senpai gomenneing too
Only Nijisanji remains pure

>>83859500
pic related and link https://x.com/_amatsuki_/status/1828375368442749276
It's actually so over for Aquafags

>>83859583
cause they can't afford to be in relationship, if it works, it works

>>83849140
Made up bullshit by antis.
Three things don't make sense in this "getting married" theory:
1. She can marry while in holo. Cover doesnt forbid talents having private life. There are married holos and holos with boyfriends. Aqua doesnt need to graduate to marry.
2.The potential husband is also famous so the "ordinary happiness" she sung about in one of her recent songs wouldn't work here unless he graduates too and removes himself from public eye, which doesn't seem like happening.
3. In her karaoke Aqua stated the reason why she is graduating. She said that there are great forces she is not convinced of
https://youtu.be/bKiqVUs5H_U
This sounds nothing like a marriage and more like a clash with management about the future of hololive and Minato Aqua.
She confirmed this later during her announcement stating "creative differences" as the reason for graduation.
That's why I dont think her graduation has anything to do with a potential marriage but a severe and deep issue with Cover as a company, which was also the reason why A-chan left.

>>83859656
It's a child btw

>>83857906
Protip: people who say stuff like "if she talks to her dad she's a whore" aren't unicorns. They're low effort trolls trying to piss off the reddit crowd. Real unicorns just fuck off to another vtuber when their oshi interacts with a male outside of sponsorships or stuff like tv appearances, promotional events, etc.

>>83859847
>1. She can marry while in holo. Cover doesnt forbid talents having private life. There are married holos and holos with boyfriends. Aqua doesnt need to graduate to marry.
she can also retire to become a good housewife and raise many children like a proper yamato nadeshiko

>>83859656
>It's actually so over for Aquafags
Nobody would be upset.

>>83859656
Are you still going to be here faggot when it obviously won't be a marriage announcement?

>>83859847
Stop being delusional and face the facts. The reality of the situation is that Aqua is getting forced to marry by her abuser and she is gonna be living as her real life maid.

>>83859847
Point 3 is already outdated watch streams.

>>83859938
>proud to be cucked! stay owned unicorns

>>83859925
Yeah she can. I never stated she can't. What does it have to do with anything though? The reason she's leaving is clash with management. Not a made-up marriage by cover interns to damage control their already shitty reputation.

>>83859656
does he at least look human and not like that actual aborted fetus MFMF?

>>83860141
How is a marriage behind the scenes worse than an unknown clash with management? The first one is an already known issue the second one could be anything.

Smell like misogynist in here, is marriage really the only think you fag can imagine a woman doing?

>>83860254
I think that anon is saying the marriage rrat is made up by cover-interns to cover up management issues. Ur both schizos.

>>83860207
>aqua's unicorns lost to this guy

>>83859993
You are talking about the management mandated stream where management forced her to say management is great.

>>83860401
>Nijinigger projection
She blew up cover studio in MC today

>>83860356
>management issue
It says creative difference and it could be anything on the other hand the marriage is very clear and more defamatory. I really don't get it.

>>83860548
How is marriage defamatory?

>>83860747
It's implied she and management hid a relationship behind the scenes.

>>83860470
What does this have to do with anything?

>>83860798
But cover doesnt hide relationships

>>83851764
>The problem everyone has with Aqua is that they all believe she's immediately going to reappear with a different account and that is scummy shit.
Anon unless you work for Cover why do you worship Hololive? Even if you like the idol style atmosphere that Yagoo made it's a manufactured product no different than a Disney movie. Aqua can't even use her vtuber name after she leaves and her RM will have to start over from zero.

>>83860798
She's not obligated to inform you of her relationship status. If she ever said that she's single when she wasn't, you'd have a point.

>>83847200
I got home an hour ago and I've been staring at Aqua clips. I really don't think I can watch them.

>>83861486
You should watch them all now because it's going to be a lot harder afterwards. That's what I'm doing but with full streams.

>Aqua was abused by some Japanese fag all along
It should've been me

>>83848469
It was painfully obvious to anyone with a brain that she’s getting married

>>83861359
>idol style atmosphere that Yagoo made
This is what I can't understand the most, anon, even this 'idol style atmosphere' isnt his merit

>>83849140
Where's the thing that says that he's gonna make a massive announcement on the 31st? Literally no source, suck my dick.

>>83861829
NTA but are you unable to create conclusions using the data provided? How would you feel if you didn’t have breakfast today?

>>83861573
I'm waiting until I'm alone...
https://streamable.com/ktctmq

>>83861829
I dont know man maybe 20 posts above yours

>>83861829
>SOURCE??? SOUUUUUUUUUUUCEEE??
retard

>>83853496
>successful indies unironically make more than holos
>and other things i tell myself as i try to literally dick-suck my way from being a 2 view to 3 view

>>83861829
>It's literally posted in the thread

>>83848469
>>83849140
You can disregard this schizo for the simple fact that this picture he is mentioning is just the guy thanking his fans for 15 years together. If someone lies about something easily verifiable like that they obviously act in bad faith. Why would you believe someone like that?

>>83848185
Phase can't event get 10k, cry harder

>>83861936
>>83861986
>>83862081
>>83862361
Retards, that pinned illustration is just for thanking his fans, it never mentions anything about a massive announcement on the 31st, y'all really eat up everything, put some more dick in your diet.

>>83862542
based retard doubling down

>>83847292

>>83862542
What’s wrong with Aqua getting married? Do you not wish her that? A happy life?

>2019
>see Azur Lane is having a collab with some anime or something
>check it out
>it's some vtubers like Kizuna Ai
>see a cute girl with a maid motif
>instantly fall in love
>watch Aqua clips and eventually streams
>she becomes a huge part of my life
>this goes on for 5 years
>today I learned she was cuckong me with some nip all along
Bros...

>>83862609
Are you gonna double down on 31st when his announcement has nothing to do with marriage?

>>83862824
nah i just like poking fun at retards who call everything fake without putting any effort to check themselves

>>83850817
Relationships don't make it impossible to be a holo, but they make it difficult to be an "idol" in the traditional sense. Like it or not part of an idol's marketing is that unspoken invisible "availability" that makes people dream. Unlike an artist whose popularity is primarily through their body of work, an idol is popular equally as much for her personality as her work. Aqua could easily still resume streaming as new persona or as a facecam user and drop all the GFE/unicorn pretenses and still be ok, albeit with a definite hit to her numbers unless she can grow the japanese normie non-unicorn audience.

>>83862811
>>she becomes a huge part of my life
Fag alert!
Fag alert!

>>83847292
Based ENchad.

>>83862718
You kensamas are the minority group here

>>83862796
The schizo is trying to imply she is graduating because of marriage.

>>83862542
Jesus fucking christ you fucking retard.

>>83853107
>brand warriors
It's interesting because back in 2020-early 2021 when the vision people had of Hololive was straight up idyllic there were way fewer of these delusional faggots shitting up the board.

>>83863042
That is indeed very schizophrenic.
Quitting your idol career to marry and start a family.
Who would do that?!

>>83862811
>vtuber plays an online game with a fag once
>hurr durr she cucked me!!!
Poor anon

>>83862886
The irony

>>83863184
>>83859847

Bet the people itt are the same one pushing Jun and Pekora for years until Jun prove they were wrong lol

>>83859988
You are delusional and you don't want to face the facts presented, acting like a schizo.

>>83863454
Stopped reading after point 1. You are retarded.

>>83863184
Idk man, just look at all graduated and terminated holos..

>>83859847
For me it is cristal clear that the reason is the return to China.

Back in the day the chinese worms requested Aqua and Fubuki's heads in order for Cover to return to China. Fast forward, 3y later Sora makes a commercial for Chinese crap and the shit eater streams in Bilibili followed by Aqua's graduation and Fubuki's new outfit having heavy Chinese references as a mean of apology. Aqua would prefer to graduate rather than going back to that shithole.

You can call me schizo but you will see for yourselves, in a few months everyone will be streaming in Bilibili and shilling China only concerts and you will know that I was right.

>>83863613
What exactly is retarded in point 1?

>>83863710
The assumption that Cover forbidding the relationship has ever been an argument.
The assumption that just because some holos can be married and be fine means that all holos have the same mental capacity or interest to keep it under wraps.

>>83863679
2 more weeks

>>83850531
Just jumping in here to call you a grimy bitch

>>83847292
FPBP

Ok hear me out.
What if... she wants to stream with her bf as some indie duo?
Will the chat get spammed with "whore" non-stop or is there a chance that it can work out for her?

>>83864072
I will screen capture your response and call you a bitch in 3 months. If nothing happens I allow you to do the same for me.

>>83862811
Her Azur Lane outfit is great i dont blame you.

>>83863983
The assumptions are right. There is no reason to quit to marry. Cover offers you a stable income while you dont even have to stream, case in point: shion, ayame, gura.

>>83847200
>Numberfagging even during one of her final streams
And you wonder why no one likes you

>>83864982
>There is no reason to quit to marry.
It's called "women moments" and Aqua is known for having some of the stupidest ones. Like losing her mind over losing video game tourneys. You can't assume she's acting rationally.

>>83847200
Sorry, she's invading Phase :D

>>83864982
>There is no reason to quit to marry.
There is
It’s called getting murdered
Especially if your spouse is a high profile celebrity

>>83865506
What a compelling argument.
Crying after losing a tourney and qutting a company to marry are the exact same things.
Bravo anon!
Besides she also composed herself the best out of the startend girls.

>>83866349
>Completely forgetting about mario kart
Roru

>>83866099
But both are celebrities so both should quit for it to work. But in this case it wouldnt even work because if people found out that this was the reason there is no guarantee they won't get murdered anyways

>>83866473
That was completely justified. She was 1 or 2 points short of winning. Are you trying to blame her for crying?

>>83847200
See, this is why I will never have an Oshi, just be happy and laugh together with the funny anime woman avatar.

>>83854857
She could collab with Holo roommates, but Cover wouldn't let her collab with their actual Holo identities. Graduations, taking the IP, making them sign an NDA to not talk about their time in Holo, and no longer allowing Holo collabs all act as deterents to keep chuubas from graduating.

>>83867526
I don't have an oshi and I'm still crying.