/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>83297660
Does he even act like he gives that much of a fuck about her for her to only bring him up in this?

>>83297660
fuck off

>>83297660
She only has a week to live

>>83297660
haHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh man... im getting tired of her deathbaiting

>>83297660
Are we too stupid to not take clickbait at face value chat?

>>83298015
>im getting tired of her deathbaiting
she's never done this ever

>>83297660
Guess the marathon got to her

>healthbaiting
She has a condition that will only ever get worse over time. She'll be lucky if she even lives to 40.

>sickbaiting
>connorbaiting
ironmouse in a nutshell

>>83298263
>she's never done this ever
its literally her only gimmic

Just end it Connor

>viewership tanks
>pitybaits her white knights
>viewership and donations go up
Solid business strategy

>>83298319
Yeah, it's called aging

>>83298015
she's just actually going to die pre 2040 if you understand any of the medicine stuff. reasonably sure it's a single gene deletion, her body doesn't fold a helper cell immune protein and she's getting it entirely from donor plasma. she's a vampire that needs 20 grand a month in blood and somehow produced an entire brand in the process of grifting for it. desu I would fuck her silly, like thank fuck a person like this can't just become a cyborg and rip our shit up. such life energy for a dying person, it's fascinating.

>>83298683
So the only thing you know about her are lies told here by people who don't watch her and actively dislike her.

We're still seething?

>>83298880
>your oshi can't graduate or she'll die
I mean, I don't watch her, but I'm jealous of those that do.

>>83298683
why would you out yourself as a person who spends their entire life on the /vt/ catalog

>>83298880
Why all vshojofags act like they have a Doctorate degree in autoimmune diseases, even if she really has one, nowadays if you have money you outlive even healthy people. Also, everyone acting like her disease is so advanced, yet she has the energy to fuck scream her lungs out (which were supposedly compromised some time ago)

>>83298961
>they hid the stream hours
keeeeeeeeeeek

>>83298961
If those other channels went on 24/7 sleeping and playing other people's content you'd get a different result, but you're a dumb numberfags so not surprised.

>>83299211
The irony and projection.

>>83299336
you thing this retard posts this on /#/? LMAAAAAO

>>83299211
>autoimmune diseases
She does not have an autoimmune.
But yes many people with cvid can live relatively normal lives unless you were diagnosed late and have gotten lots of damage to organs from repeated illnesses caught because of having no immune system.

>>83299351
Buzzwords and nothing else, a classic

>>83297660
How long has she been dying again?

>>83297660
Hope not

>>83299400
>>83299336
>>83299279
holofag SEETHE

>>83299501
>admitting to hiding the stream hours
vshokek SEETHE

>>83299501
No streams to bot today ennacuck?

>>83299484
She's never said she's dying.

>>83298319
implying she isn't 40+ already

Its about her carpal tunnel you dumb fucks.

>it's another MouseyDawg thumbnail thread
Someone please fucking eviscerate this retard from the face of the Earth

He is EASILY Mouse's worst clipper. And Mouse has no shortage of shitty clippers.
All of /vt/'s opinions from Mouse come from this faggot and his bullshit thumbs and titles.

Of course, she got sick, she went outside to get her stupid metal kek was it worth it iron lung?

>>83297660
>Dont tell him
Why all this charade? Aren't they close enough that she tells him everything anyway?

>>83297660
dying again?
roru

>>83299662
Pretty sure he's a hate watcher and makes these threads himself

I haven't watched Mouse since Nyanners left (don't watch her any more either). What's happened with her since then?

>>83299706
>she went outside to get her stupid metal
ESL-kun, I...

>>83299756
Apparently dying

>>83299537
>>83299558
t. seething pebblecuck

>>83299932
>pebbles out of nowhere
Ennacuck the bot broke again

>>83297660
I feel like this person only clips Mouse to make clickbait thumbnails for these threads

>>83297660
so she's doing a subathon again or what?

success breeds jealousy

>>83298319
I thought shew was getting better and better with the power of MONEY and actually started investing it into a new house and shit. There were clips about how she's going to walk around and eat normal food and shit surely it can't be so bad.

>>83300247
She is. these clips are clickbait

>>83300247
She is getting better and she did buy a new house and she is walking around and she is eating real food

The day of her 7th anniversary she was brushing her teeth and realized that she was doing it while standing without any assistance, which she wasn't able to do a couple years ago, let alone when she started.

>>83300247
New house costs alot, needs to get money back with the "I'm dying" donations.

>>83300360
You know all this information and there are people on this thread claiming that she doesn't healthbait? Are we fucking for real?

>>83297660
Filian got too close in ccv

>>83301778
She streams 8+ hours a day she only talks about her health if people ask or its relevant in some way. it makes up a very very small amount of her content but when people make shitty clickbait like this it gets views

>>83301778
What is "healthbaiting" about someone chronically ill occasionally commenting on her condition and how it's changing over time?

What is your perception of an average Ironmouse stream? Have you ever watched one?

>>83297815
It'll get some views so he'll care about it

>>83302057
My perception is watching random youtube videos but with someone sleeping on the bottom right of the screen

>>83302136
So you've not only never watched one of her streams, but you can't even get your catalog rot correct. When she sleeps during subathons she plays her own VODs, usually the IRL streams she's done with Connor or VShojo collabs

>>83302232
Suuuuuuuuure, most hard working vtuber am I right guys?

>>83297660
>Are we dying again this month chat?
Iron Grifter is dying more when her income goes down.

>>83302314
>Suuuuuuuuure
If you don't believe me (someone who actually knows Mouse's content) then feel free to check the VODs for yourself

You won't though
Much easier to just keep being retarded

>I'm so sick guys! Please buy tickets to watch me sing and dance.

>>83298319
...So she has maybe a year to live?

>>83302549
>buy tickets
Her own concerts were free

>>83302549
>buy tickets
To what

>>83302552
>maybe a year to live
That's been her bait to beg money for years now. Surely in 2025 she will finally fucking die and we can be done with this scammer whore.

>>83299662
Ironmouse has the ability to do that, strange as to why she doesnt

>>83297660
Her genitals are itchy because her STDs are flaring up, and she doesn't want Connor to know?

>>83300247
She wanted an extra wing on the house

Mousebutt

>>83299211
You don't need a doctorate, it's pretty simple actually. Her disease is not auto-immune, quite the opposite, more comparable to AIDS and not the good newer kind you can treat, but the 80's style aids where you get sick from looking at a picture of someone coughing.

What's going on is pretty simple to understand because the main disease isn't what's fucking her up, it's all the other common illnesses she accumulates because of it and how they take 10x longer to get better and thus leave 10x more damage. If you can understand the flu, you can see what's going on. Her lungs for example are scarred to hell and back (scarring never gets better) from having pneumonia, covid etc. multiple times and there's no need to hypothesize about that since she's had the illnesses on stream enough that it's guaranteed she has lung damage if they were literally the only times she had ever been sick.

>she has the energy to fuck scream her lungs out

She's a trained singer with what used to be a normal sounding voice, but she's been talking in "head voice" exclusively (at least on stream) for years now (a combination of falsetto and some other techniques). If you do it into a microphone you can sound very loud while not straining your lungs, downside is that it's very high pitch. In recent times she's sang a little in her more normal voice range, look up "iron mouse shakira voice", it's pretty freaky.

What to me is most striking about her extremely poor health and being relatively close to death is that she doesn't sleep nearly enough to live normally. During subathons (and long streams) you can see she's regularly sleeping for only a couple hours before she's back online. Her life makes sense if you think of it as someone who's terminally ill with all the gifts, lavish spending, and events she does (including the ones that make loads of money), she's like Connor's make-a-wish milf who is trying to leave money for her family when she passes. She's like Walter White.

>>83297660
>I'm dying, don't tell my boyfriend UWU, this is just between me and the public

>>83303521
I've never seen such a mix of correct and incorrect information.

Her voice is her normal voice, it used to be a bit lower but then she got a throat infection that left her unable to speak for a year and when it came back it was higher pitched. her singing in a lower voice is her pushing it and not her normal voice and it hurts her.

>terminally ill
She's not terminally ill

>>83304167
You fucks gaslight yourselves to believe every excuse

>>83297660
Ironmouse will die in five minutes

>>83304261
we've hear her talk in her sleep before

when she will truly die you will miss her tremendously.

when will she die though

Wait why do I hate her again? I dont even watch her

>>83303521
CVID is not at all like AIDS.
AIDS is a virus which attacks the immune system.
CVID is an endemic dysfunction of the immune system.

The main problem with her lungs is that she has a MAC infection, which is permanent. Damage from transient illnesses can be overcome (for her at least in part) but the MAC infection is here to stay and a large part of why she's on oxygen.

She's capable of singing because it utilizes her diaphragm, not her lungs, which is yet-undamaged. However, her vocal range was shot due to throat infections and she's still on the path to regaining her full range.
Her "Sharika voice" is the deeper ends of her range and she strains herself to achieve it. Often she cannot complete a full song in that voice.

>>83304263
I smiled

>>83304637
Why would you watch someone you hate?

>>83304167

>Her voice is her normal voice, it used to be a bit lower but then she got a throat infection that left her unable to speak for a year and when it came back it was higher pitched. her singing in a lower voice is her pushing it and not her normal voice and it hurts her.

This is based on her explaining it in a shit way that is the most charitable for her since she's been accused of "faking her voice". She's not an alien so her voice has the same constraints as everyone else even with losing her voice temporarily and having scarring in her lungs. The way to understand that story is that she had a certain type of speaking voice she was used to using, which was lower, but she lost her ability to speak and with practice learned to speak again, but she was unable to access her old voice because of diminished ability to use chest voice so she had to speak in head voice (or possibly mixed voice with mostly head). She's basically doing what trans-women do, but she's a woman to begin with so her voice is extra high.

She talks in head voice, or at the very least mixed voice heavily leaning towards head voice. You can call her head voice her "normal" voice if you want, but the fact that her lower opera singing voice is just her chest voice (the way normal people tend to speak) is inarguable unless she is a literal alien and has access to some unknown new way to elongate her vocal cords and force open her airways to create a deeper sound that goes even below her chest voice.

>>83304823
You're a fucking idiot.
are you saying you can't force yourself to do a lower voice? maybe your not human.
Her voice was always high but the infection made it even higher.

>>83304691.
This is the perspective of someone who doesn't want CVID to be associated with AIDS because AIDS has a negative stigma, a very bigoted perspective I might add.

>AIDS is a virus which attacks the immune system.

"AIDS" is not a virus that attacks the immune system, HIV is.

>CVID is not at all like AIDS.

This is just retarded obfuscation, they're the same problem. Your immune system is compromised but for different reasons and you treat them a little differently and CVID is arguably way worse in the year 2024, but the problem is that your immune system doesn't work. It's like saying a femur fracture from skateboarding is not at all like one from a car accident. Anyway, AIDS or CVID they're not the cause of damage in either case, the diseases you catch because of them are so how are they not at all similar? The everyday symptoms and lifestyle limitations (without medication) are exactly the same, you catch communicable diseases easily and they don't go away without outside help.

>>83297660
again? after winning in the marathon to prove that she's healthy, and now were back from this health issue again... (baiting for views?)

>>83304823
>>83305102
Holy unearned perceived intelligence

>her chest voice (the way normal people tend to speak)
Even in normal speech you can pull your voice up and down.
>create a deeper sound that goes even below her chest voice
Diaphragm, stupid.

>"AIDS" is not a virus that attacks the immune system, HIV is.
Do you enjoy being pedantic? The fuck do you think AIDS comes from.

>they're the same problem
They are explicitly not the same problem.
"Immune system no work" yeah OK, if you want to be brainless and reductive about it.
Fucking idiot.

Stop posturing like you know what you're talking about.

>>83305198
how did she win the marathon of she can't leave her room

>>83305198
>winning in the marathon to prove that she's healthy
You motherfuckers will literally just make shit up huh
https://primaryimmune.org/get-involved/raise-awareness-and-funds-idf/walk-pi

>>83305239
She went to a marathon virtually with a robot

>>83298319
>has children
>has money for 5 lifetimes
She'll be fine.

>>83299662
This.

>>83305198
>marathon
have you never been on a charity walk before or is this concept entirely foreign to you

>>83298961
Why is the top three complete shit?

>>83304925
>are you saying you can't force yourself to do a lower voice?

No, I can lower my voice by relaxing as much as possible and doing only chest voice, just like Mouse does. My normal speaking voice is a mixed voice heavily leaning on chest voice (like most humans) so how low I can go is limited. Mouse has the advantage in being able to go relatively speaking very low because her normal speaking voice doesn't use her chest voice at all because of her prior injury.

>Her voice was always high but the infection made it even higher.

That's not how voices work. How voice damage works is usually having some vocalization being limited, either head voice chest voice etc. There is no one objective natural voice that a person has, everyone has different ways to vocalize but they're used to using one to speak, which they might call their normal voice and it's usually a mix between head voice and chest voice. In rare cases you can get scarring in or around the vocal cords themselves, which gives them more mass, which makes you unable to use them (so you have to use false vocal chords like an animal) or just makes your voice permanently very deep, this is what happened to corpse husband. This kind of damage always makes your voice lower. Mouse's voice got higher and with time she's gained more lower range, the only type of damage that fits is the inability to use chest voice properly likely because of weak lungs (from damage).
She's doing what trans people do with their voice and inevitably it became her normal speaking voice just like it does for them, but in her case she had to do it because it was that or no voice at all. It's also why she can sleep-talk in her high voice like someone mentioned.

>>83297660
The actual content of the clip has a completely opposite tone compared to that clickbait thumbnail, I fucking hate this faggot clipper.

>>83305604
https://youtu.be/d_OuKhUXkOU?si=dZWA3D_JHeQqWo8f&t=196

>>83305645
the only reason I can think that mouse hasn't crushed this guy yet is that she's so considerate of people getting the bag (due to being poor for so long) that she's ignoring how much it's damaging her own reputation
it's such a bad look that when you search ironmouse on youtube this clickbait health/ship shit comes up starting from the third video and down, I'm pretty sure she even said recently she wants people to stop clipping when she talks about anything serious to do with her health and they're still fucking doing it
not like it matters but it's lowering my opinion of her and I'm a ride or die mousefan, she has a number of blind spots and this is probably the worst one because it's damaging her cause of spreading awareness about cvid and plasma

>>83305478
if you hadn't noticed, most things are foreign concepts to our third world friends

>>83305201
Why are you getting so pissy about this?

>Diaphragm, stupid.
That type of singing/talking is what chest voice means, we're talking about the same thing.

>They are explicitly not the same problem. "Immune system no work" yeah OK, if you want to be brainless and reductive about it. Fucking idiot

Why do you feel so defensive about the association between AIDS and CVID? Who even cares why someone's immune system doesn't work, it's just an easy way to explain what CVID is to someone whose never heard of it. It's like being born with full blown AIDS is a pretty good explanation honestly, when most people just tend to confuse CVID with auto-immune disorders.

>>83305891
it might be unusual for places outside of SEA as well, but every leaf alive knows what a charity walk is because there's a national one for terry fox every year so they've done at least twelve in their lives. don't know if burgers or some euros have an equivalent

>>83305939
>most people just tend to confuse CVID with auto-immune disorders.
nta but well, yes, that's one reason to reiterate the distinction
i can imagine the stigma around hiv/aids and transmissibility also doesn't help

>>83297660

>>83297660
>Don’t tell him? Tell him anyway. Lol, lmao, fucking even.

>>83297660
It's the death baiting plus the fake romance like Connor isn't fucking other girls in Japan on the regular. Whole thing is fake

>>83305939
>That type of singing/talking is what chest voice means, we're talking about the same thing.
No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chest_voice#Physiological_process
It's called chest voice because the focus is... in your chest.
The diaphragm is lower than that.

>Why do you feel so defensive about the association between AIDS and CVID?
I'm not defensive. I am being accurate.
>Who even cares why someone's immune system doesn't work
Anyone who cares about having correct information
>being born with full blown AIDS is a pretty good explanation honestly
It's not a good explanation because the mechanisms are entirely different, the medication is entirely different, the experience is entirely different.
If you say that to someone who is more intimately familiar with AIDS, they will have a completely wrong perception of CVID.

Crazy how you started off talking like some big shot academic and now you're cowardly dodging your own missteps with such flimsy, half-hearted excuses.
Next time just don't talk out of your ass to begin with.

>>83305939
stepping in here to say I've gotten the impression from mouse and the PI community in general that they're not huge on the HIV comparison because while they have the same scientific problem both the cause and the treatment are completely different especially now that HIV/AIDS is borderline curable while PI isn't

>>83306024
Has to google terry fox but yeah, those charity walks are pretty common everywhere I've lived in US/UK/EUR

>she’s dying
Not if you get her to the juicing room in time and squeeze her.

>>83299841
Something about a vtuber getting an illness medal instead of the actual person irks me to no fucking end.

>>83306052
>i can imagine the stigma around hiv/aids and transmissibility also doesn't help

I find this funny because inadvertently they're fueling the stigma around AIDS and separating themselves from it militantly like it's something bad, which totally goes against the current social climate around HIV and AIDS especially in the US where it's something normal and de-stigmatized to the point that every channel runs upbeat HIV medication ads 24/7.

>HIV and AIDS is nothing to be ashamed of and safe to be around but we're not anything like that and don't you dare lump us into with those freaks

>>83306387

>>83306387
>an illness medal
It's a medal for participating in the Walk for PI

And of course Mouse isn't attending virtually as a matter of convenience, but of necessity.

>>83306508
They're not fuelling anything though.
The conditions are materially distinctive, it's people here trying to conflate the two.

>>83306387
???? anon are you retard or just stupid ???

>>83306508
the experience and treatment of a person who was born blind is very different from the experience and treatment of a person who was blinded by injury and has had their vision partially restored

>>83306662
>>83306637
>>83306698
Yes, yes, i understand, look at those scrubs actually doing the walk when you can simply NOT do it.

>>83306508
>being clear about the difference between two superficially similar, but fundamentally different illnesses, is fueling stigma
Please shut up

>>83306728
it took mouse multiple days to recover from doing fifteen minutes of walking on her treadmill, this isn't a matter of can but don't want to bother

>>83306764
That the fucking point. Don't put the medal on the vtuber, put it on her for the done effort (if she actually did any).

>>83306147
Ah, the greatest of sources on niche topics, Wikipedia. To develop a good chest voice you do diaphragm exercises, look up like any qualified bel canto (which is what mouse was taught) resource on the matter, even Youtube tutorials and that's what you'll be doing. Talking about diaphragm strength is indication that it's about chest voice. Reading a wikipedia page does not make you an expert.

>Crazy how you started off talking like some big shot academic
This is just your impression of me, and it's very funny to think someone posting on /vt/ is talking like an academic just because they're using big words or something.

I don't see any issue with you wanting to be more pedantic about the differences between AIDS and CVID so let's agree to disagree there. I think "being born with AIDS" is good enough when talking to people who aren't going to look deeper anyway, you would do otherwise.

mouse is a coward trying to avoid drama. She should had nuked this faggot 2 years ago. He is the worst clipper and is probably the one posting here for more viewers.

>>83306809
why would you say "born with aids" when "born without/with a shitty immune system" is way more accurate and everybody knows what an immune system is. pi and hiv aren't similar enough to put them together like that, it's just weird to do so

>>83306809
>pedantic about the differences between AIDS and CVID
There is absolutely nothing pedantic about that
>I think "being born with AIDS" is good enough
Well, you're wrong

>>83297660
just in time for the subathon

>>83306864
Won't be surpirsed if that guy is Mouses psy-op to generate extra drama around her.

>>83306973
*sleepathon

>>83306864
is the only clipper that gets views.

>>83305645
>good clippers get their channel deleted by Youtube even if they are defended by the vtubers they clip (Shylily)
>this borderline anti faggot is completely unaffected

>>83297660
Gotta get those revenue numbers up for this quarter preasu undastan

Attacking mouse when cdawg is the grifter fucking porn actresses in Japan and uses a one way affection for a boost. Riiight /vt/

>>83299211
>yet she has the energy to fuck scream her lungs out (which were supposedly compromised some time ago)

Weird how often this happens isn't it? How often she's confined to sick bed or barely has enough energy to do things but yet somehow goes to concerts and has long flights and things like that. Must just be some really miraculously recovery!

>>83307078
They're both leeching off each other. There's no good or bad side.

>>83298015
She doesn't deatbait, clippers do, and a lot of clippers will string unrelated comments together to really push that idea.

>>83297660
Will she actually die this time?

>>83306864
>He is the worst clipper and is probably the one posting here for more viewers.
It's more likely to be bvtm or someone from his discord.

>>83297660
She has another subathon coming up. Gotta get those gears moving.

>>83307016
no different than rebroadcasting holo does.

>>83307078
>fucking porn actresses in Japan
He wishes. Faggot couldn't stick his tiny man-clit in a JAV legend that was all but throwing herself at him.

>>83307078
>implying people like CDog here

>>83307088
>goes to concerts and has long flights
She has done neither of those.

>>83307088
>goes to concerts and has long flights and things like that
what are you talking about?

>>83307088
>somehow goes to concerts and has long flights and things like that
Who are you talking about

How long has she been dying for now?
6 years?
Like holy fuck get on with it

>>83307144
He's a social tier celebrity and got the Brit accent. He's happy fucking around its not like he could never afford to drop by. He just doesnt want too.

>>83306885
Because the next question would be "what's it like not having an immune system?" or "what does that mean?" or "is that bad?" Even understanding CVID means you've had to learn quite a bit about the immune system that regular people just don't.
I'm mostly being hyperbolic here, I probably wouldn't say "being born with AIDS" that just seems to be the phrase to rile up simps the most for some reason, but it's genuinely pretty hard for people to understand the implication of having a bad immune system. Loads of regular people genuinely believe they don't have an immune system or theirs is very weak because they get sick a couple times a year and some people don't. It's a common talking point around the water cooler just like how many hours you slept last night.

>>83307223
How long have you been seething and samefagging?

>>83307223
She's been streaming 7 years and has never claimed to be dying.

>>83307119
disagree, whoever it is they actually watch streams because a lot of the clips they post are hours into a just chatting section. someone doing it just to be an asshole wouldn't spend that much time, it's more likely they're just doing it for money
>>83307078
connor and mouse are very close in ccv, neither of them are leeching off the other and if anything cannibalize each other. their views always drop if one goes live part way through the other's stream

>>83307223
show me a single instance of her saying that

>>83307247
IDK this is probably my first time in a thread about this mexican

>>83307244
>Even understanding CVID means you've had to learn quite a bit about the immune system that regular people just don't.
Everyone with basic education should know what an immune system is and its as simple as saying that it does not work

>>83307244
>or "is that bad?"
Are you being serious right now
>Even understanding CVID means you've had to learn quite a bit about the immune system that regular people just don't.
Literally just say "it doesn't work"
It's not fucking complicated

>>83305787
She's giving a heavily simplified account and admits she doesn't understand and know why it came back higher. There's no contradiction here.
"when my voice came back" sounds like a passive process where she just one day woke up being able to speak again, but why would it be? She's a trained singer who has staked her life on being able to sing and she knows plenty of vocal exercises and tricks (including rehabilitation) so obviously she must have been trying to actively rehabilitate her voice and vocalize after she got better from the infection. Finding out you can vocalize only in the higher ranges vs "voice came back higher" are the same thing said in different ways.
She also already probably had lung damage at the time and a long lasting throat infection would de-condition your diaphragm, which is what is needed for chest voice.

>>83307119
Kyouko loves IronLung tho?

>>83307251
You don't need to watch the actual clip to create entire narratives based off the thumbnail and title alone, that video is 1 week old btw.

>>83307312
they wouldn't know to clip it if they didn't watch streams is what I mean, it's too far in and I've seen them post clips no one else has

>>83307308
>she doesn't understand and know why it came back higher
Oh so now even MOUSE HERSELF knows less about her condition and how her voice works than you do

Holy SHIT shut the FUCK up

>>83307309
No he doesn't retard, did you not look at the fucking picture?

>>83307279
Always funny to see antis pretending to be newfags.

>>83307387
Meh
I don't think the guy has ever had a single genuine opinion on anyone or anything
He perpetually hides behind "its ironic bro im an ironybro"
Genuinely the biggest loser I've had the displeasure of talking with

>>83307291
>should

But they just don't. Half the people in this thread don't. Did you fully understand how bad it is to not have one before you came across mouse and learned? It's not a virtue to believe that the information you have should be universal.

Knowing that having no immune system = bad, can maybe be expected, but how bad? This is why the reference to AIDS is so common, you have to make people take it seriously. I guess another way would be to reference something obviously serious like chemotherapy, which surely wouldn't have a stigma associated.

>>83307381
are you a women?

>>83307467
CVID doesn't mean no immune system

>>83307381
It's in the clip, she doesn't have an explanation for why her voice came back higher, which leaves room for interpretation. This doesn't stop other people from trying to figure it out based on information on voice damage. Why are you so mad about this?

>>83307088
Source?

>>83297660
>don't tell connor
>says it on a stream with probably over 3k people watching
???

I’ll take it if it gives us more cycling across Japan streams with Chris.

>>83307144
I disliked Connor, but I hate whores more. Good on him for having some self respect and not fucking someone lower than an actual prostitue.

>>83307467
So to you it's more important for people to have an immediate reaction to severity than... accurate understanding?

"Well OK you get that it's bad to not have a functioning immune system but you don't understand just how bad it is!!!"
Who fucking cares?

If I didn't know what CVID was and you were the person who explained it to me, I would walk away still having no understanding of what CVID is.
And then I would go on thinking I did know CVID, and either further disseminate this bunk information to other people, or talk to someone who DOES know and embarrass myself.

Stop being so fucking stupid about this.
Accuracy in medical information is so critically important.

>>83307467
With my basic knowledge of the immune system, it malfunctioning means you should be highly/hyper susceptible to any and all infections as well as have pretty terrible recoveries from them (if at all, since some might force you into a permanent cycle of rehab due to immune sistem not participating in the recovery).
So given this basic knowledge, i simply have a hard time grasping what Mouse has that apparently doesn't actually affect her that much in everyday life due to her constant streaming, but still warrant semi-regular reminder to the viewers. Not to mention that the streaming enviroment itself, even in a white room, would cause harm to you with all the electronics, lights and shit around you, but then you look at all the streaming she does and her condition becomes highly "selective" from a casuals point of view.

I hope she doesn’t die. I’d feel bad for her daughter to grow up without a Mother, losing a parent young is never easy.

>>83297660
Boogie...

She's faking it

>>83307802
If you stretch your brain a little bit you might stumble across the thought that, perhaps, there are treatments for such a condition

>>83298263
I think he's just talking about what her clippers do, it's true that they bait that shit on 50 channels all the fucking time

>>83307916
did they finally discovered nanomachines that can replace t killer cells and such?

>>83307987
maybe she should stop giving them material, oh wait, that would make her even more irrelevant

>>83307916
There are, and i highly doubt that streameing is a recomendation during such a treatment. Or the amount of streaming she does it in any way conductive to improving her health.
I mean, do you know how an allergie works and how much bullshit you have to do to find out which of the million of shit around you might be that cause of it if it's not a generic one? Add in the fact that once affected, it might stay with you forever so you can get a partial experience of what it it like when your is doesn't function the way it should.
Then imagine you are afflicted with not one, but fucking all allergies. It's not a cure that can be achieved through tending to one source, it's pretty much permanent multicourse therapy. It's why i have a hard time understanding how Mouse in a similar condition (or should be given that's how immune failure affects a person) yet keep interacting with numerous sources of sensory irritation and stimulation.

>>83307987
OH MAN! That time mouse had a ear infection and said "chat i have an ear infection now but it's fine i'm taking meds for it." and then the clip "MOUSE HEALTH GETS WORSE!" or when she had a flu and the next clips was "MOUSE CRYING ABOUT HER HEALTH ISSUES". This nigga is the worst.

>>83308370
nigga, are you retard or you are making an extra effort here?

>>83308461
ook ook esl

>>83308340
CVID affects B cells not T killer cells

>>83308418
>mouse at 90 years connected to a dialysis machine
>"chat, i'm slowly dying, don't tell connor plspls, i'll make another 24 marathon about it tommorrow"
This is how her illness looks from the side.

>>83306147
Nigga please. NTA, but you've been hyper aggressively making an irrelevant distinction between CVID and AIDS when the effective difference is meaningless to the average Joe.
>BBUT MUH MECHANISM
Meaningless, nigga, all the average Joe needs to know is:
>ironlung has weak immune system
>think of it as "I can't believe it's not AIDS!" immune disease where a cold can fuck you up
So what's your deal? You actually have AIDS and don't want it to be misconstrued as something related to Ironlung? Or are you just one of them Hyperautists that lose their shit when you call the MK2 poopshart train by the wrong name?

>>83308490
still retard
>>83308530
sigh

>>83308340
The treatment for CVID is plasma transfusion.
Effectively, CVID patients need to borrow functional immune systems from other people.

By the way, donate plasma. Depending on where you live, you might even get paid for the trouble.

>>83308392
>i highly doubt that streameing is a recomendation during such a treatment
Well here's the crazy part, she doesn't stream when she's getting her plasma.

The even crazier part is that... she isn't always undergoing treatment, which leaves her lots of time to do other things.
In an ideal scenario, a CVID patient given proper treatment can live a perceptibly normal life.

>i have a hard time understanding
Well if you have questions, then the reasonable thing to do is seek answers.

>>83308639
If anyone actually cared to inform people about all of ironlung's lies they'd make a tldr of this wall of text nobody will ever take the time to read

>>83308708
TL;DR stop taking clickbait thumbnails and 4chan anti posts at face value

>>83308708
I read it, saved it, and so did the guy I got it from, and so did >>83306328 this anon.
Honestly sounds like a skill issue on your part.

>>83307583
Are you autistic? Streamers have always said stuff like this.

>>83308588
Damn, you are retarded.

>>83308708
You don't have the energy to read the image but have the energy to read rrats?

>>83308965
That does not make it better.

Chat is this real?

>>83308418
He uses people's art for his thumbnails without permission as well.

>>83297660
>tells chat not do tell connor
>clips it, making it far more likely connor will see it
why are clippers like this

>>83309023
I don't read rrats, I believe what I see. And I see ironlung crying about how she's been dying for years

>>83309044
ok

>>83309136
But you aren't seeing that.
You're reading that on clickbait thumbnails and 4chan posts.

You are not seeing Mouse, you are not hearing what she actually says.

>>83308531
Schrodinger's illness- the more money she makes, the longer she lives like Magic Johnson, the more people call bullshit on her actually being sick, the more her fanbase donates to spite them.

>>83309217
numbermonkeys are not people.

>>83309136
can you show me her doing that?

>>83308681
With your answer i still don't understand why is she allowed to stream as often as she does when even with plasma transfusion, unnecessarily challenging of your immune system should be prohibited in the doctors notes.
Again, it kinda lies on the severity of the condition, but given how often she stream contrasts poorly with whenever she offhand comments on her health. You'd think she's steaming inside a life support suit in a fully clenased room.

>>83309301
ironlung must have by far the biggest animal audience then

It's so funny how there's people in this thread so mad about people referencing AIDS to explain CVID, but when there's someone who actually doesn't understand CVID like this guy >>83307802 they don't offer any help and just make fun of them... Face it, your oshi has AIDS and you're a sick fuck for being drawn to that.

>>83309217
are you saying that money can help you to get better treatment and meds? OMG, why no one thought about it before?

>>83309301
All vtubers are numbermonkeys for the only number that matters- their bank account.

>>83309396
But she can't have AIDS because she's a pure childless maiden

>>83309396
www.google.com

>>83309445
this is exactly why everyone calls out mouse's lies

>>83309313
Her streams aren't exactly high energy. She just sits on the computer doing normal computer stuff with her vtuber rig on screen, maybe talking to her friends. What else would she be doing? Even the most intensive rehabilitation or whatever to make her less sick would only be a couple hours per day and the rest of the day you would be resting.
She's a grown woman so she isn't "allowed" to do anything, she chooses what she does or doesn't do.

>>83309217
>the more money she makes, the longer she lives
This is true even when you're not chronically ill

>>83309313
>unnecessarily challenging of your immune system should be prohibited in the doctors notes
So, in your estimation, what SHOULD Mouse be allowed to do?

>You'd think she's steaming inside a life support suit in a fully clenased room.
Well, that's not too far off as she is connected to an oxygen machine and her environment is kept sterile.
She's mentioned how, when she receives something in the mail, it has to be quarantined and sterilized by her parents before she can handle it.

In her old house, which was considerably smaller than where she lives now, her parents really couldn't go out that often and guests could not visit, because it brought too much risk of contamination due to the close quarters.

>>83309412
Yes thank you for restating my point.

>>83309428
nigga CVID and AIDS are not the same. Even the treatment are completely different, stop talking about shit you don't know.

lolcowfags dug for 4 years straight with no avail and then closed their retarded thread. Go back where you came from.

Are all EN clippers subhuman apes?

>>83309396
>they don't offer any help
I am literally in a reply chain with him progressively explaining Mouse's condition, treatment and lifestyle

>>83309506
i love that south park episode btw

>>83309549
oh man that thread was hilarious. They wasted 4 years saying she was lying but never posted any proof of it just the classic "she lying for money" or hard dox that lead nowhere.

>>83309136
Got any clips of her doing that?

>>83297660
>>83298319
That sucks. Hoping clippers are click baiting once again but i never understood antis using IM health against her. It's such a low blow to wish one to fail in their health fights. Must suck to always have your health state be attached to your brand rather than what you did as a v-tuber.

>>83309479
>and the rest of the day you would be resting
>she isn't "allowed" to do anything, she chooses what she does or doesn't do
You make it sound like she is actively trying to keep herself ill with these lines. I mean, doctors prescriptions aren't given out to fuck around with you (most of the time).

>>83309313
she is laying in bed using a computer how is that challenging her immune system?

>>83309618
That's not how this works, she has to prove her illness first and she's failed to do so in 4 years

>>83307583
It's just clip baiting for shipfags. This isn't the first time nor will it be the last time she does this shit.

>>83309390
Wrong, /#/ is full of holodrones and they are the ones seething at mouse all the time.

>>83309718
I guess i can't imagine using your rig while lying in bed, while also having other medical equipment on your body.

>>83309697
>and the rest of the day you would be resting
By this he is referring to the hypothetical scenario where she is prohibited from streaming (functionally identical to just being on the computer)

>>83309727
For the large majority of people, her audible medical equipment, extensive specialized medical knowledge, consistent anecdotes and impassioned support for the Immune Deficiency Foundation are proof enough

Even if she made her medical records public (why would she do this), we all know people would just claim they're falsified in some way.
This won't stop until Mouse is doxxed to a dangerous degree because nothing short of that will fully satisfy those determined to paint her as a faker.
Perhaps that's the real goal.

>>83298961
how is a literal MAN beating the female vtubers

>>83309901
She just has a chest port and a nasal cannula.
What kind of set up do you imagine her to be in?

>>83308977
Thus proving my point.
It doesn't matter in a practical sense what the mechanism is, the outcome (ironlung having an immune disease) is the same.
Let me put it in food analogy for your American mind:
If you only care about getting full, it doesn't matter if you eat a ton of fries or a steak, the outcomr (you being full) is the same, so the practical distinction between the two is meaningless.

>>83309986
>For the large majority of people, her audible medical equipment, extensive specialized medical knowledge, consistent anecdotes and impassioned support for the Immune Deficiency Foundation are proof enough
so all it takes to fool people is surface level knowledge on a topic and big donations?

>>83310160
>surface level knowledge
You've never heard Mouse talk about medical stuff.

There's a reason why I said
>extensive
and
>specialized

>>83310152
The other anon was already explaining that there are crucial differences. I just called you retarded because you're a hopeless idiot which you continue to prove with your dumb analogy.

>>83310160

>>83310152
>can't even food analogy right
Fries will fill you up faster than steak because of the carbs
There is a fundamental difference between these two methods that any dumbass can understand

>>83310222
so all it takes is a few big words and you're convinced someone is an expert in the field? Jesus Christ is this the average intellectual level of you guys?

>>83310338
And you somehow still got it backwards.

>>83310340
>a few big words
You are being intentionally stupid at this point

All you have to do, and it is a very simple thing, is to listen to her discuss medicine. You will very quickly find that she is not just saying "a few big words."

>>83310522
>medicine
so more things you can look up on google?

>83310338
Now I know you're just taking the piss here, anon. Not giving you the (You).
It doesn't matter, nigger, you end up full either way.
>bbbut tt the food analogy was wrong, this is WROOONG
Ok nigger, lets change it for you.
Burn some paper: whether you ignite it with a lighter or some flint is irrelevant, in the end the paper burns all the same.
>UOAH BUT FLINT IS LE SHIT WHILE FUEL IS GOOD YOU ARE RETARDED
I hope your oshi joins vshojo.

>>83310522
What's convincing is how retarded and uneducated she is when it comes to medicine outside of CVID (or the immune system in general), she obviously just knows about CVID and nothing else, which would make sense for someone suffering from it but not for any medical professional.

>>83297660
She needs money again?

>>83310782
why would she need to research anything else when the grift is about her turbo AIDS?

>>83308370
>She should stop telling her fans about her life
PARASOCIAL FUCK

>>83310853
She's making clippers do all the dirty work for her.
Do an offhand comment, have a clipper sensationalise it while also draw away the heaagro
Generate wealth.
Simple business smarts.

>>83297660
SUPER ULTRA MEGA AIDS UPON YEE

>>83310683
Yeah sure, if by "look up on Google" you mean "spend several hours researching to the point of near expertise."

>>83310782
She does also have broader knowledge due to the various diseases, infections and surgeries she's had, and the people she's met from hospital stays and help groups.

>>83310964
>hospital stays
I thought she would melt if she left her bubble

Imagine getting this bent out of shape over a sick girl.
A numbermonkey's existence must be a miserable thing.

>>83310943
She's said multiple times to stop clipping completely (don't know if she's said it recently, but she did a couple years ago), but she never actually does anything about it. It is starting to look like collusion where she knows they'll do it and she just profits from it while pretending to not want it to happen so that she can separate her image from it. What these clippers do is really trashy and a bad look but also very effective, it prints money and publicity by drama-baiting. Especially any moment where she says "don't clip this part" might as well be her saying to please clip this part. How these channels get to have thousands or even tens of thousands of subscribers on their channels if they're going directly against mouse's wishes using her content without transforming it should make one suspicious.

>>83311181
i think it's because they're fundamentally awful people, they ascribe the same to everyone else

>>83311118
>oh shit I need a surgery
>ah yes we will just transport an entire OR to your residence to perform the operation

>>83298910
And I'd rather believe them because I trust them more than a jerk like her

>>83310964
>She does also have broader knowledge due to the various diseases

While also having absolutely retarded takes on very basic things like it's fine that she skips sleeping some nights and normally sleeps only a couple hours (evident during her subathons). I don't care if she kills herself and gives herself brain damage everyday by not sleeping, but letting that information just sit there unchallenged to 10k people is not cool.

>>83311288
I'm pretty sure that the average person just can't graps how a person with a debilitating illness like hers can casually maintain so much (para)social interaction.

>>83311626
>unchallenged
oh they're all challenged in some ways

>>83311616
circular logic. you believe she's a jerk because you listen to these people in the first place.

>>83311626
post a clip of her recommending her viewers to sleep as little as she does.

>>83311626
She has never presented her lifestyle or sleep schedule as being good things or something that anyone else should do

>>83311845
>>83311944
>make a statement about health
>doesn't follow recomendations "for the fans"
>some faggot clips another healthproblems post to drive more attention to her
At this point you might as well call her "malisciously ill". Cause she' never gonna improve her health despite her "medical expertiese" but she will certainly keep getting pity money.

>>83311845
>>83311944
her fans are gullible enough to believe she's dying so she should take responsibility and not advertise sleeping less to these lemmings

>>83312052
>her fans are gullible enough to believe she's dying
That's antis. Her fans know her condition isn't terminal.
>so she should take responsibility and not advertise sleeping less to these lemmings
Like I said, provide a link where she advertises that.

>>83312052
>her fans are gullible enough to believe she's dying
The ONLY people who say this are antis /here/

Mouse has NEVER said she is dying, or described her condition as terminal.
That is ONLY here.

>>83311944
This wasn't about recommendations, this was about medical knowledge. There is zero chance she actually knows how bad sleep deprivation is since she keeps doing it and it's relatively easy to fix. The sleep deprivation is arguably cutting her life-span more than CVID is as long as she gets treatment like she's doing. Not sleeping enough is borderline suicidal and leads to some of the most nightmarish things possible for a human like dementia.

>>83312297
>sleep deprivation
what the fuck are you talking about, literally watch streams, sleeping is all she does

>>83312297
>it's relatively easy to fix
not for her

>>83298319
CVID is an immune compromised disease. My brother has it, he’s married with two kids. He has a job he works every day, too. It just means you’re more prone to getting sick and get get worse cases if you’re not careful.
It is not a deadly illness. Do your reps. Ironmouse is start her annual subathon stream next week, she’s not sick.

>>83312297
If you know this much about her then you should know that she doesn't sleep as little as she does by choice.

>>83299662
>collabs with a flesh male
>behaves like a child and flirts
>is mad when people clip her cringe
You can’t have your cake and eat it, too.

>>83297660

>>83311181
Numbermonkeys even attack Holo members when they're bored.

>>83311349
this shit makes sense in their heads btw

>>83300563
Didn’t her last subathon last year afford a new house? Remember when Nyanners was going to visit her? So she’s already got multiple houses? How sick? Maybe she’s sick with the stress of property tax.

>>83297660
I used to watch her but I can't stand her changing models more often than changing plasma. I hope she gets better though.

>>83311207
She can easily strike down the channel if she really wants to, but it's the same lame excuse every content creator does.
They literally survive on generating clout and traffic towards them. It doesn't matter if it's clickbaity and out of context. An easy pill to swallow for more views.

>>83297815
Iirc she’s said that Connor doesn’t really want to do stuff with her unless it’s for content. He has that “everything I do has to be for content” brainrot

>>83312297
>The sleep deprivation

>>83309665
>Must suck to always have your health state be attached to your brand rather than what you did as a v-tuber.
She's the one that attached her health status to her brand, though.

>>83312401
Relative to her other conditions, none of this is thinking of her as a healthy normal adult. She's trained her lungs and diaphragm to the point that she can sing again and is back to walking... but sleep, not important enough while it would be priority number one if one had the knowledge about what it does and it would be the most productive to work on.
The she can't sleep because of her illness argument goes out the window when she blatantly misses sleep time during the subathons, even if it's hard to sleep it's still obviously the right thing to at least attempt instead of playing hooky like a little kid.

>>83307467
The amount of people fighting about how they know more about CVID than other anons proves how delusional ironlung watchers are, they think they know it all just based off whatever she says.
If we comparing it to AIDS then let’s remember the Vshojo Trevor Project charity they cancelled due to “bullying”.

>>83312769
More like, someone counted how much tax is avoided if she gets money through donations and it got her weak in the legs.

>>83313038
she has to take meds every 4 hours

>>83313139
>she has to take meds every 4 hours
So does everyone on this board, what's your point?

>>83313194
>ironlung is /here/
explains all the defensive posts

>>83297660
>get money
>thank you guys for giving me money, I am healed
>money supply dwindling
>did you guys forget that I’m dying?
oh so tiring…

>>83312930
She's getting double sleep :D, good for her. I don't watch her much anymore so my info is a bit outdated. I just remember in 2022 or something during a subathon she slept literally two hours multiple nights and once skipped sleep altogether "because she had a collab scheduled" and got mad when people pointed it out etc. because they were giving "advice" and back-seating her health and it's normal (for her). Like bro, that ain't a bad sleep schedule that's a suicide attempt, you're supposed to freak out.

>>83313255
Someone post the screencap of her being caught with /vt/ open on stream.

>>83313255
>/4chan/ is her actual illenss
Come on, and get down with the sickness.

>>83313286
Read the fucking thread.

>>83312964
People that can't admit she jumpstarted her popularity based on pity are so delusional it's unreal.
I respect 2views so much more after seeing all these vwhorejo nepobabies become millionaires overnight, because they get huge pushes from manufactured e-celebs powered by Mythis and other jewish agencies.

>gets by on 2 hours of sleep
surprisingly spry for someone who's supposed to be dying

>>83297660

None of you retards actually watched the clip.

>>83313412
I bet a healthy person would be fucked up from that, but imagine also being a heavily sick, easily susceptible to any illness and also a singer-dancer-entertainer all in one go. Idk, some people would no doubt wish to be as sick as mouse.

another vshojo bait thread reaches bump limit despite vshojo fans supposedly staying in their general

>>83313291
bro I don’t think anyone who is supposed to be so sick she’s not allowed to go outside because of her bad immune system is medically adviced to not sleep or not have enough sleep as it also weakens your immune system too like going outside does. There’s something really fishy going on with this ngl

>>83313551
Stop noticing things

Bring back the IP counter.

>>83313600
I just want to see flags for a week

>>83313551
There are no faces.

>>83313384
What made her big first is a clip of her getting a $2000 dono after e-begging. It's good e-begging, but it's still e-begging. She's the biggest most popular version of those guys after ww2 who'd sit on the streets with a pan showing their missing legs and asking for donations.

>>83313384
Or maybe it's because she has been vtubing for longer than most vtubers.

>>83314043
>the first western vtuber was a grifter
no wonder western vtubing is the way it is

>>83313600
This.

>>83313384
>nepobabies become millionaires overnight, because they get huge pushes from manufactured e-celebs
But enough about Hololive

>>83314043
What’s she most notable for? Her illness crying? Her money begging? The only skill she has for streaming is singing, but that’s too related to sympathy begging since her voice has been “ruined” yet also suddenly healing better than ever.

>>83298961
Kek, IRyS still came out on top despite Ennacuck botting all the niji and holomems.

>>83314043
Let's not pretend that the grind got her to where she is please. It doesn't work this way and you know it.

>>83314124
>What’s she most notable for?
ban bait

>>83314124
Being Connor’s sidekick.

>>83314124
>suddenly healing
Suddenly over the course of 7 years

>>83314124
Making numbermonkeys seethe just by existing.

>>83314206
That's a solid list of skills.

>>83314116
It's not a gotcha, because I agree with you. Most of the holo core are all nepo hires from a nico douga friend group.

>>83314241
>suddenly healing
I thought she was dying again, can you guys please make up your mind

>>83314193
Do you have any example of vtubers who made it to the top by themselves?

>>83314319
>I thought she was dying again
Who said that
Literally who said that ever

>>83314390
antis

>>83314241
Did her throat and lung infection happen 7 years ago? Damn i'm old.

>>83314459
when was the eye infection from the cum thing

>>83314459
It happened before she started streaming

>>83297660
Schrodinger's terminal disease. She's both dying and not dying at the same time, at least until her bank account starts running empty.
Honestly, I respect the hustle. If she can keep scamming her viewers out of money, more power to her

>>83314319
>complains about health getting worse, streams for 10+ hours, doesn’t eat or exercise
Time cures all things, I guess. Hopefully CVID ends soon.

>>83314124
She's a lot like Hasan in the way she streamers, both stream long hours with very shitty content, they're just existing, but the stream is on all day. They get new viewers by "going viral", for Hasan it's by saying inflammatory takes, which get clips or making bait posts on twitter. That's how people flow in and then they're sucked into the community because the streamer is always on, it doesn't matter if the content is too shit for most people to watch, if only 1% of people stick around it's enough since the throughput is so high because of the clips. You're not so much enjoying the stream, you're part of a community, especially great as a backup streamer, a second monitor stream for when nobody else is on, sloppy second's, a bottom feeder in the fish tank eating what's leftover from everyone else, a reaction streamer.
For mouse the equivalent of twitter bullshit and inflammatory takes is her being pathetic and crying, making clips like "sick girl actually has a beautiful voice" "sick girl streams for a month straight", "Sick girl gets $2000 dono for a new desk :3" and of course all the charity content that people like to see, she's like a wholesome chungus cute cat video in those clips while the streams are pretty boring. A very important part of the ecosystem is drama-bait from unofficial clip channels who don't have any rules or ethics, they just want clicks so they ship, misconstrue and do everything to get people to click, this obviously benefits the streamer in turn by increasing throughput of new possible viewers who check the stream out. This combined with the covid bump and friendship with Connor (someone who actually makes original content and interesting videos) was her path to success. What she's known for is the surface level deceitful image of being a helpless young sick girl in desperate need of donos, just like Hasan is some kind of left-wing messiah, while he's actually just a californian himbo who would say anything to get money.

>>83315311
You should kill yourself faggot, cause nobody would miss you.

>>83315422
Reality hurt that much, huh?

>>83315422
indeed, nobody would miss hasan or mouse, some new grifter would quickly take their place, so is the nature of twitch

>>83315422
>writes a long ass post
>replies to himself because nobody read it
kek

>>83315225
>doesn’t eat or exercise
She isn't capable of eating very much (and what she can eat is stuff like plain rice and bread), most of her nutrition is intravenous
She has been doing physical therapy for years to rebuild the muscles which had atrophied, and is presently capable of standing without assistance and slowly walking around her house

>>83316056
>physical therapy
how is this possible without compromising her sterile environment

>>83316156
She's fucked up enough that it's probably just standing and sitting back down from her seat etc. things you can do by yourself and without a lot of space, maybe some parallel bars to practice walking with assistance.

>>83316156
There are things you can do by yourself you know
She is also capable of limited contact with other people with appropriate precautions
She has a nurse visit her every week and spend hours with her for her plasma treatment (it is illegal for non-medical professionals to administer blood products)

A lot of people here seem to be of the mind that Mouse will just up and die if another person so much as looks at her.
Not how it is.

>>83297660
I don't wish for her death. I do think the clickbait culture these two have clearly promoted and benefited from should die.

>>83315311
Now this is some nuclear level seethe

>>83316517
She needs something like $10k a month just for treatment (and it's going up slowly). That clickbait is keeping her alive. Dropping to something like 1k to 2k average concurrent viewers would mean she can't afford the care she needs, clippers are keeping her alive, not the other way around.

>>83316636
>one post
vs
>an entire thread
he's right, on top of that

>>83312914
Wtf why would someone ever collab with this ass

>>83316841
clout

>>83316517
I only agree that the part of the conversation that needs to be addressed by her is mainly the channel still being up despite this being his normal routine, if you see the clip is not out of the ordinary, she updates her chat about her carpal tunnel (which I mean if she’s all day in the pc, it’s normal). The problem is the song and dance clippers play around these topics, as the OP tries to paint, for them they make said clips as “SHES FUCKING DYINGG OMG” because at the end of the day this gets clips not from the people that watched the stream, but for people that might not watch all of her stream and just are casual viewers.
It’s same for the whole “shipping” culture, they extract points from conversations to twist it around into their own fantasies, sometimes they aren’t, but sometimes you have things like this
https://youtu.be/C_OX1KmynD8
An 8 minute “clip” where the faggot tries to make it all around Connor explaining dating to her, when it’s just a few seconds of it, why? Because the whole clip is about another topic that if the clipper were honest about it, he wouldn’t get clips

This nigga should die is all what I’m saying

>>83317058
He's the only one gaining something by what is essentially grifting the fuck out of his collab partner(s) for numbers, unless you do the same thing to him

>>83317148
Ironmouse has a very weak official presence on Youtube so these clip channels basically represent her for maybe even most people who know about her. Twitch is tiny compared to Youtube so it actually matters a lot and she should be concerned. Try to get an actual real ironmouse channel video to get to appear in your recommendations, it's impossible, it's just clip channels with these retarded clickbait titles like "ironmouse is getting married???" and the thumbnail has a picture of Connor in his white suit. Why the fuck are these still up?