/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Hey anons, just a heads up. I'm a bit busy, so if we're speed right now, I might not be able to bake so quickly. Just as well, I'm gonna be on vacation (not janny-related) for the next few days, so one of you needs to step up with baking

a revolutionary

Bad OP to attract drama trannies. Anyway Kilia and Amora live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4B_tFZQ1AA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsDLpQZKc5Y

Wtf do you mean not back officially you set up a collab

>>83190111
not watching I'm grudging

Amora nd Kilia collab live. What a picture...

https://youtu.be/F4B_tFZQ1AA

she's joining v4mirai's new gen

>>83190216
If it gets her numbers and attention, good. Kilia deserves a bigger audience. She was the pillar of the corpo and she essentially did everything right

>>83190125

Frog sex while I can

>>83190394
Wrong. Navi is the pillar of the corpo.

Hi skyeschizo here, i might just kill myself

Can she hit 50K before its over?

>>83190550
She's actually losing subs

Shes joining Vallure Gen 2

>>83190474
I love Navi, but don't be a retard

>>83190612
God I wish, I love moral degeneration arcs

>>83190677
The retarded one is you for not recognizing her importance.

>>83190610
huh you're right she actually lost 200 subs

It's going to get a lot worse

>>83190743
Unless gen 3 comes out and has a Kanna or Rin tier breakout girl there's no recovery from here

Buoys pay attention to who kilia's friends follow on twitter

>>83190722
If there's a second pillar, it's Zumi, and she definitely doesn't want the pressure

>kilia is gone
Besides zumi there is no reason for this company to continue existing.

>>83190122
>amora is also thinking about graduating
I will miss her nice body and charming personality, I won't miss D*rk or the other faggots who shit up her chat though.

In the midst of all this, where the fuck is Eri?

>>83191024
She just disappeared

>>83191024
getting out with the money she's got left, probably

>>83190216
Okay so V4M gen 4 "Gamers" has four girls
>a magical girl
>a robot catgirl
>a dog with headphones
>some kind of wedding ring detective
So which one would she be?

>>83190394
The main advantage to joining V4M, besides the fact each gen has had a slightly larger audience than the last (gen 1 were 2views, gen 2 had around 100-200 ccv, gen 3 can get up to 500 on buff streams, VSPO EN isn't part of V4M but Arya had a debut buff around 1500, gen 4 might be getting into the low 4views) is that the company is wildly supportive of the girls giving them home 3D early on, 3D debuts, sending them to cons and helping out with music releases, lots of asmrtists, the gurls also recently got their second outfits which were summer event bikinis (fuck sakana and phase connect for not doing this exact thing last year with the mahjong event).

>>83190890
Eri simply isn't a kajillionaire and small companies are being eaten by better funded small companies. Sakana and Fatcat are both privately wealthy while V4M/VSPOen/Globie are funded by Brave corporation. Eri is some retarded mouse, she can't compete wit hthat.

Moeri doesn't really own the agency anyways

>>83191024
seething

I would think Amora can fill the void Kilia is leaving but with her absence recently I don't know if she wants to.

It's never the same as an indie and you know it
No genmates, no events, also they tend to get lazier without management
and before you mention some big ass indie, we're talking about a low 3view that will probably become 2view

>>83191319
that's why I'm hoping she's getting into a better corpo

>>83191374
she is. she's joining niji EN.

>>83191312
Amora isn't even GFE, how's she gonna fill that void

>>83191402
keyword "better"

>>83190948
It could've easily been Amora if she wasn't so shy about collabs

>EIEN started out strong
>Riifu happened but the impact to the corpo wasn't that big
>Kiki drama happened. Huge impact to the corpo's image.
>Gen 2 is extremely weak and had it's own drama like streamers barely streaming and menhara moments
Kilia was carrying the entire corpo while the other talents did everything possible to bring it down so I'm glad kilia is leaving.
Just like with the other corpos, people become less confident in a corpo when issues constantly occur. People dropped Niji and lost confidence in it because of all the drama. People dropped Idol and lost confidence in it after all the drama.
Personally I gave up on EIEN after the kiki drama.

https://x.com/hakostella/status/1706458561843531938

I actually dislike corpos and prefer indies.

>>83191772
Wrong thread?

>>83191772

>>83191772
This vagueposting is getting too vague anon

I wish i was navi so i could be best friends with kilia

In all of this what does cunniehoe think of kilia graduating?

>>83191808
Gomen

>>83191417
>AMORA ASMR
>she's just cackling after every other sentence
You're cute Amora, but please, give me one serious ASMR.

>>83191757
Gen 2s drama was a series of nothing burgers and most complaining was about fans rather than the streamers themselves. You definitely don't know much about the corpo post-kiki drama.

>>83191952
She might not even be awake

They don't have fish and chips in china?

>>83191757
The difference being that EIEN wasn't littered with drama of the Niji variety. Nothing happened since Kiki, but that's just it. Nothing happened. The worst stuff was discord drama and cancelled streams. Things fizzled rather than going out with a bang

>>83191757
Riifu got the last laugh

>>83191757
>but the impact to the corpo wasn't that big

Anons do pastebin links get filtered in maros?

>>83193155
Am I getting shit mixed up? I thought her family visited her looking at what little she said

>>83193504
I think they did? I guess amora doesn't have fish and chips near her

>>83193504
she tweeted her family left so I guess they visited her

>>83192611
>>83193162
Drama is drama and it doesn't build confidence. Just look at how Mirri was showing she had a favorite chatter and was willing to break rules to please him after everything Kiki did. That says a lot about the corpo itself. Remember, a bunch of the niji drama was considered nothing burgers for years and everyone ignored it until it happened to a specific person. Then and only then did people suddenly "see" how bad niji was.
Now I only watch Navi when she plays GGST.
>>83193236
>>83193252
That's the best part.

Gearbugs are cringe

>>83193922
>says dumb shit with no basis in reality
>drama monger
>is a riifling
Every time

Surprise Chio Chompi joining the MK British collab

Riifu not getting the axe wouldn't have changed anything. It would have just been like having two Kikis. Which would not have been good. Gen 2 would probably had a worse pool of talents as well.

Surprise Pillow joining the MK British collab

>>83194241
Dino sex

>>83194405
Uohhh...

>>83194241
This dinosaur sounds like she's actually 14 and that's great

EIEN will croak

>>83194214
Right, none of those things ever happened. Kiki drama never happened. Frog was always a consistent streamer. Everyone, big vtubers and corpos and cons, shat on niji way before Selen happened. Mirri was never "traumatized" or had any drama moments.

>>83194376
Pillow didn't sound British to me. Also kinda weird how a GFE ASMR girl is suddenly everywhere. Those tend to be loners.

Where is navi?
And why is amora quieter now on stream

>>83194710
She was adopted by one of the v4m girls then got more widely connected on that smallcorp Minecraft server. She spent a while as a loner before that.

>>83191757
Just passing by and saw the news. Used to watch Kiki before "that" happened, it's sad seeing something I loved at one point die. But it is what it is, I guess.

>>83194710
She was a loner before the vsmp. Her increase in collabing has caused minor friction in her community since she's the type of chuuba that basically turns off her chat during collabs. Which is jarring when she was nothing but chat interaction.

So now it's just Skye in gen 1? I hope she stays, I don't wanna lose those boobs

>>83194840
Asleep and hungover most likely

>>83194682
Nta, no one is saying these things didn't happen. None of it was newsworthy, and people overlook that little shit all the time like with Phase. No one blew up like Kiki and Riifu did. The problem is they didn't rise above that damage. That's the only point I'm trying to make

>>83194940
We were never long for this world but I'd have liked to have the gen 2 girlies become senpais and have the threads be alive and good for another 3 months following the gen 3 debuts

>>83195044
It certainly led to Mirri going from most anticipated to least liked girl /here/ but idk if that mattered elsewhere like it did for Kiki

>>83191283
Who exactly does?

I want to go back to better days...

>>83195271
Some venture capital techbro. Same kind of person that owns ever vtubing corpo.

New Airi schedule!
https://twitter.com/AiriViridis/status/1825239789039214688/photo/1
Looks like this will the announcement of second outfits relay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQxXBUtBzx8

>>83195275
The first 3 months of Haven were good too. Well... as long as you weren't a skylight anyway

>>83195342
Anon...

>>83195313
So what exactly did he see in this flip rat?

>>83195342
I've never watched this chuuba solo but she collabs with a lot of girls I watch

>>83195271
The rrats are it's some crypto bro.

>>83195313
So at least she understands that you don't get rich spending your own money - you need to spend someone else's.

>>83195342
You need to work on sorting your tabs anon

>>83195406
Rich Libertarian guys love Asian women

>>83195313
Owner of brave group?

>>83190125
>eien trek
Come on man EIENterprise was right there

>>83195044
What I'm saying is it doesn't need to blow up. It affects people's confidence in the corpo regardless. Phase has drama sure, but they then do things to rebuild confidence. Look at the Lia flirting with a guy on stream drama where Tenma had to step in. They did things to correct their wrongs. EIEN has drama and what does it do? Nothing. EIEN actually continues it. The kiki drama and Mirri drama are examples of this.
Again, look at how people viewed niji before the selen drama. Every little drama added up and people's view on Niji became negative. It was only after the selen drama that the bubble burst and people could shit on niji with no fear of being "wrong".

Some 5th woman that I don't recognize has now also joined this MK collab. How big can we go?

>>83195743
Holy shit, shut the fuck up already you hair-splitting semantics-spewing captain obvious motherfucker. No one is under any illusion about any of that shit

>>83194956
She was a loner before Alias Anono

I hope Navi's doing ok.

>>83196170
I'm sure Kilia got closer to her and Zumi so they can stay in contact afterwards

>>83195271
We will soon find out

>>83195780
Someone doesn't watch vsmp streams

>>83196001
You are since those weren't noteworthy kek

>>83191140
It's still owned by brave group and has to deal with brave's bullshit though.

>>83195365
qrd?

>>83195603
What did he get out of it though? Does he get to plap Eri or any of the others?

Okay now I understand why Navi and Zumi did their horror week this company won't make it to halloween

>>83195603
I am all of these things except rich. Where did I go wrong?

>>83193319
no

>>83197400
Thank you

>>83197182
They did something nice for their fans before the ship sinks in october and fags /here/ still found a way to complain about it.
I hate you all

>>83197244
You didn't buy bitcoin in 2014

The constant stream cancelations and breaks contributed to the fall of EIEN. Can't build momentum and grow if you keep fucking off all the time whenever you're trying to grow subs.

>>83197691
You should fuck off too. Permanently. As in kill yourself

>>83196919
Brave is provably more competent than Eri.

>>83197740
After you

>>83197465
I will never be mad at Kilia, Zumi, or Navi. I'm not a Luminaut, but Amora is fine. Skye gets a pass for her talents balancing out her problems. Blaise and Mirri, well...

>>83197759
No shit. They have actual corpo money and are made up of more staff than just 3 people

>>83197627
In 2014 bitcoin was going to zero because of mtgox, his actual problem was not getting it for free in 2010 to buy drugs on silkroad and then forgetting it on an old hard drive in his parents' basement and then re-discovering it in 2023.

have faith. she's joining v4mirai. she's going to a better place. so are zumi and navi. their grad announcements will happen in a few days.

>>83191757
>>Gen 2 is extremely weak and had it's own drama like streamers barely streaming and menhara moments
Gen 2's drama wasn't even real drama, there were never any grand meltdowns like Amora calling everyone whores and going on a 6 month hiatus or Mirri's constant shenanigans turning out to be anything more than run of the mill brainworms. Not streaming only impacts the streamer themselves.

>>83197829
>in a few days.
nah they stagger that shit over months to milk the paypigs

>>83195179
Mirri is just annoying, nothing more. You can avoid the problems she brings by just not watching her.

>>83197829
Why would v4m waste a slot on those two

>>83198087
This has the same energy as that time Don Matrick told people unhappy with the xbone to buy a 360

>>83197829
It's still too early for haven to graduate or announce their graduation. I'm sure most if not all of them won't renew their contracts, just like Kilia chose not not, but it's not time yet.
It will be hilarious to see all the girls walk out on Eri at the same time though.

>>83197759
Well yeah, brave doesn't just buy a company, steal 2 members of the company's accounts and wipe them so they can give them and their models to new people, or buy a company and suspend a member for a 2 year old tweet by incompetence.

>>83195365
First two months. November and December were full of promise. January is where the weirdness started cropping up.

>>83191140
The v4m swimsuits aren't "real" outfits, they're more or less glorified booth assets, they were given a handful of stock ones to pick from.
Don't get me wrong, they look okay, but its fairly obviously cheap looking compared to a proper outfit

>>83197465
All me

>>83197182
They did it because zumi was a 12yo who watched gravity falls in the 2010s and navi is a hag who watched grabbity balls in the 2010s and shipped pinecest.

>>83198233
What did she tweet about?

If skye graduates, I trust you schizos will be able to track her down to whatever she's doing next, right? She's the only reason I ever drop in this thread, besides the weekly secret discord's erp session.

corpos don't matter
support your girl regardless of where they are

>>83198175
But I'm not telling you to go watch Icey Snowpaws if you don't like Mirri Saffire, I'm telling you to just avoid annoying girls.

>>83198447
its the opposite

>>83198469
consider hololive then

>>83198469
kys corpo rat

>>83198447
Partially true but there's always something lost with a change of identity. Even with the same girl behind the wheel.

>>83198806
you get used to it. don't be a baby. change will always happen regardless. they'll change less between models than they've changed since debut.

>>83198806
I can assure you that's not always the case. The model changes sure but the personality is always there.

>>83191952
Make sure to ask in her chat next time she streams! Maybe she'll reply after she finished explaining how Nekoravanger is going to pound her pussy when he comes to visit.

Who would've thought Skye was gonna be the last one kek, but it's somewhat expected as Killia is a more ambitious and go-getter person, so she will always want more I feel like never watched her aside from a few streams because she felt to me too fake, still does.

>>83199514
Skye could be living too, we don't know if she renewed her contract or not yet. They stagger graduation announcements so it looks less bad for the company.

>>83199710
If Eri has two brain cells to rub together she's offering Skye a bigger salary to stay and keep designing new daughters.

now it's tine to send pizzas to eien's registered address

>>83197829
V4M is the brainchild of a shadow succubus, hiring semenomancer cum sucking vampires born into this world to cause the spilling of the seed
Kilia lacks the power

>>83198806
people wildly over-exaggerate how big a deal identity changes are because they're used to holofags that excommunicate all apostates.

>>83200399
>Kilia lacks the power
I still remember that one drunk ASMR.....

its fucking over

>>83200628
If Zumi implies that she might cancel a stream then she almost always does. If you thought we were getting Wario World today then that's a skill issue.

>>83200498
remind me who is missing from the OP again?

>>83200519
Shame about the donothon reward drunk stream

>>83200628
I thought she already said earlier that she's laying low today

>>83200916
Nope. Did a "maybe I'll just stream something comfy today instead" speals. I knew that meant it was over.

Navi is awake

I left with Riifu but saw the OP today and read the thread a bit, why is EIEN dying?

My condolences to buoys btw.

No more dorca jokes

Are any of our girls in the vsmp election?

>>83167649 (Me)
Well shit there it is! No contract renewal just like eww means she was on her way out anyways since shes obviously overqualified for Eien and basically did everything on her own anyways. Whats sucks the most for me is knowing Skye will probably go down with the ship instead of move of to better things because more than anyone here she needs this job and its way easier to do whats shes doing now than go back to just commissions or go indie. I'm genuinely happy for Kilia because even watching her casually from her ups and downs you know she's a great talent with a lot of skills that deserves to make her own path somewhere else because it seems like with how nonexistant managment is being Eien is a debuff that she could really do without. I wish Haven the best but also now more than ever I'm hoping Eien goes under so the girls can either start fresh without the bts garbage or the best case senario take their models and run like other corpos did. For Eri to let Killia go with how much shes done for the company at its lowest I cant imagine the girls that are left have much of a choice like Skye since its probably easier to wait it out than jump ship.

>>83199934
Skye changed her contract before Riifu left so she could still freelance and hinted at doing work oustide of Eien months ago. With her working on Amroa's design, Piichi, and one of the scenes in Navi's debut I'm sure shes probably making enough money from Eien alone that she isnt looking for a way out to be more "creative" since for the longest shes has a hard time even finding motivation to do her donothon rewards, membership rewards, or even stream on time be it because of her having ADHD (which is what her therapist thinks she has and she is working to get diagnosed) or her lack of intrest in being Skye overall since even though she isnt big at all shes financially stable so she doenst need to try as hard as she used to. If Skye graduates and Eien is still a corpo then shes probably dying.

>>83201455
No more poo poo pee pee

take a shot everytime an eien member cancels stream

Someone post the pic of piichi with a bite taken out of his ass

I wonder if I'll ever get my Navi or Zumi merch

>>83201758
Who could have done this?

Gen 3 will have thedorky zoomers we want and the stable mommies we need

I'm ready to believe this is managments fault too

>>83201457
Kilia has been there from the start, watch any VSMP pov.

Kilia please fart on stream before you graduate

>>83202877
Possibly while in the bath so it sounds bubbly (it also fits her theme)

>>83202984
Based

>>83201829
This reminds me I bought Navi's voice pack a couple months ago. After paying via paypal I was redirected back to a generic error message page asking me to resubmit the payment again, which I obviously didn't do because the first payment went thru just fine and I was charged
I used the "contact us" form on the website several times to ask for help and they never replied back. Either they're ignoring support requests or the form is broken.
I'm down 10 bucks which I don't really mind that much but I missed out on the voice pack

Now that the dust has settled, what did you think of Kilia's body of work?
As for me, I enjoyed her ASMR roleplays quite a lot. Top notch entertainment, although her regular day-to-day content was mediocre.
What do you think?

>>83203199
You're better off submitting a ticket on the discord

Navi...

kilia dont look!

>>83203212
Back to the catalog

>>83203982
I guess you didn't watch Kilia, I was really asking people that are fans of her, not you

>>83204200
Nta, but "the dust has settled" meme makes you look like a retarded catalogue fag. That said, everyone agrees she was the posterchild of EIEN from the singing, ASMR, and GFE, whatever those levels were. She wasn't a big gamer, but she still completed games and they were fun to watch. She was a good influence and example for her kouhai, and she was generally good at getting people to open up, even if some of the things she said made things awkward

>>83189969
>burns her shack and her equipment
>people buy her new gear
>graduates

>>83205094
Very original anon

>>83205191
The other day i made a post about kilia not making shorts anymore and i guess today I learned why... she had no reason to anymore

>>83205178
Well is she going to refund all the people that bought her new gear just to graduate?

>>83205265
so basically when a vtuber stops making shorts, its an indicator that they dont care about channel growth anymore because theyre graduating soon? i'll have to remember that

It's Kiliover

>>83205517
What a fitting end

>>83205493
shorts as growth is dead and has been for a while. They are a waste of effort especially if you are paying for an editor

>>83205449
No buddy they threw that money away.

>>83205449
No and she didn't force anyone
>but
Stfu

>>83205857
You don't find it unethical to receive tons of monetary support just to dip out a couple months later?

I hope Kilia gets to keep her steam account

>>83206016
i don't think that's going to happen...

>>83205966
You're the dumbass getting scammed expecting to get anything after burning your money

>>83205966
Manage your money better, I don't know what to tell you. Also kilia will probably pop up somewhere else so it's technically not wasted money

>>83206416
>>83206518
>someone gets scammed
>blame the people getting scammed instead of the scammer

>>83205966
You're the one who fell for the grift. No one to blame but yourself

>>83206580
that's not what a scam is

>>83206580
You're so honorable anon, what would those retards do without you coming to their defense

>>83205966
She feigned not wanting help and then claimed she was peer pressured to put things on throne. She's given herself too much plausible deniability.

>>83206647
Receiving monetary support so she can continue streaming just to graduate I think is objectively considered a scam. I don't know why you're defending Kilia so much.

>>83206768
And i don't know why you care so much?

>>83206580
Just skip the foreplay and make a catlog thread already so you can stop shitting up the thread

>>83206830
there's a 5 minute cooldown

>>83206827
Maybe because I don't want to see scammers in the vtuber community?

>>83206955
You're years late little bro but feel free to start a twitter campaign

>>83206955
KEK

>>83206955
might i interest you in a vtuber named denpafish?

>>83206955
You've got an insanely long fight ahead of you buddy
Unless you don't actually give a shit and only want to anti one person?

>>83206955
ever heard of kiki lockheart?

The future is all corpos isnt it?
All the tiny ones gobbled up and only the larget ones remaining.

>>83207358
it resets after 58:56
there are no boobs

>>83207358
Watch indies. Skip all this corpo bullshit and watch indies.
Go dupmster diving on twitch one day and realize corpos are just scamming middle men parasites

>>83207323
Is she a scammer? I only know of her because her menhera breakdowns always end up in my Twitter "for you" tab

>>83207547
yeah she's a scammer. her latest scam was doing a donathon and not doing any of the reward goals that were hit

>>83207489
But then the indies join the corpos.
There's no winning.

>>83207489
I wish I could find some newly debuting youtube indies. The twitch ones all eventually get desperate and start doing stupid shit that scares off their fanbase.

>>83207601
Elaborate with proof.

>>83191283
[spolier] it’s the maker of a certain karaoke relay [/spoiler]

>>83208053
Good job

>>83195275
the timeline changed the day anon posted THAT

>>83207652
the only indies who join corpos are the ones who are ngmi (not including ex-corpos joining new corpos)

>>83189969
See this is why I'm starting to gravitate away from vtubing in general. They build up these communities and say a lot of sweet words and make empty promises. Then they make demands of the community that they're free to abandon at any time. "Don't bring it up!" Don't be sad!" "Smile it happened!" Real fuckin' easy to say when you get to just walk away from everything without any loss. In fact they're likely all too happy to be rid of their fanbases. They'll still be able to keep in touch with the friends they want. They lose nothing and have the audacity to do this same, tired spiel every single vtuber does when they just don't feel like going to work anymore.

>>83208053
Anon, just highlight your text then hit "ctrl + s"

>>83208333
Idk about all that but this shit has brought me more sadness than happiness for long time now. Especially in 2024

>>83208333
You captured perfectly how I've been feeling, I didn't know how to put it into words...

>>83208053
>spolier

>>83208322
Large indies suck ass in their own special way

>>83208333
Send this as a maro please

>>83208333
Pretty much how I feel.

>>83208333
This is why I tell people that even if they come back, its never the same, what you had is gone and never coming back, a graduation and a reincarnation is just getting rid of one fanbase in favor of another.

>>83208333
Good post, except, it's your own fault for sending money to a vtuber. That makes you a sucker.

>>83207489
>watch newly debuted twitch indie
>variety cgdct gfe streamer who is very parasocial with her fanbase
>1 year anniversary approaches
>get new much less charming model
>open fansly
>lift male collab ban
>change all content to yu gi oh master duel
>start openly flirting with a male master duel creator
>all in a desperate attempt to get twitch partner
Nah I'm not dealing with that again. I'm just going back to shooting my shot on dating apps at this point.

>>83208333
>Hobby supposed to bring you happiness and a distraction
>Turns you into a concernfag living in constant anxiety shit will go sideways at any given moment and without warning so you just keep everything at an arms length and never get too invested in anyone again
How I ended up like this I don't even know. I'm just numb to this shit at this point. Oh she's graduating? that's sad I guess.

>>83208981
that's your skill issue

>>83208981
You should know when to jump ship and find another chuuba. cgdct 1views are diamond a dozen on twitch

>>83208918
It's not as bad if they come back as a completely new personality but if they just slink back to pl, especially if they switch from YouTube to twitch in the process, it's over

>>83209125
She was a high 2view to low 3view without raids. With 1views there's just too much pressure to chat imo.

>>83209016
>get into this because ASMR should help me sleep
>I have less free time and sleep than ever
>I spend it all watching anime women

>>83209016
I do wonder why anime girls playing video games and being cute for an audience is such a cutthroat and unsustainable venture. I wish I could just watch, semi-regularly send money, and occasionally commission art and everything work out okay. But no matter what you do it's all just a ticking time bomb.

>>83209557
>over saturated market (99% of streamers let alone vtubers don't make it past 1 view)
>ultra greedy/incompetent corpos taking 50% of all your revenue while giving you almost nothing in return

>>83209016
i was like this before i met kilia. After beatani graduated i decided that i would be cold towards everyone to not feel that pain again and look at me now 1 year later, about to experience the same pain but even worse this time. Unless i find her again i'm done caring way too much about vtubers. This shit sucks so bad

>>83208981
>>get new much less charming model
That C9 girl Vienna, holy fucking shit, she had one of the nicest, most simplistic designs ever, now she has an over-designed, jellow tits, max coomer disaster, its fucking horrendous.
I will drop someone if they change their model to much.

>>83209557
>be smallcorp vtuber
>have to deal with corposhit and cuts
>attract the worst slimiest fans because the lower numbers make them think they can groom you
>not enough fans and income to nuke all retards
>deep end schizos perceive you as an easier target
>pressure from gfefags
>best way to retain audience was licking ears and even if you were happy to do it YouTube is now destroying asmr
>outfits, designs etc locked behind corposhit
>if your genmates go full retard you suffer for it long term

>>83210976
calling Vienna the c9 girl just proves you haven't watched her since long before the new model lmao stop pretending it changed anything for you

On the bright side we're actually faster than /vag/ for once

Phase Connect is like a public high school. What is this company, V&U, and others like?

>>83206645
So you're admitting she's a grifter?

>>83190069
OK bros, good luck with the bakes, I'm out. See you next weekend

>>83208952
I never sent her any money. Nor do I send any vtubers any money. I honestly expected to come back to the thread and see a bunch of negative replies.

The bottom line is, they farm goodwill and adoration until it's no longer convenient, then shut it down at the drop of a hat and then tell people how to fucking feel about it. Then throngs of guys feeling the SAME WAY will tear you apart for going against "their wishes" like it's one last ditch attempt for brownie points to someone that likely only saw you as a headcount. I'd want my fanbase to be sad. Be mad. Scream and rage around and just be honest with themselves. This canned fucking graduation letter always hurts because it's just that. Canned.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

>>83208333
But then whats the alternative? Stay in your small corpo and ignore new opportunities? For us this is a hobby, for them its their job, they are trying to make a living, its not like they are allowed to retain the model and assets, they gotta get new ones cuz those are owned by the corpo, otherwise we would see way more cases such as Rin who was allowed to keep the model as an indie cuz brave gave her the chance, but most companies aint that kind. If anything companies should be more open to the idea of negotiating the model/assets rights after a graduation instead of just keeping them without using them

>>83213986
NTA but I don't think the issue is graduation itself. It's how it's handled. It's out of the blue, with no reason or explanation, and you're asked to be happy about it.

>>83208333
After everything that's happened over the last year, I'm not gonna bother checking out any new ones. Once the ones I currently watch graduate/quit, that's it for me.

>>83214365
You should be happy about it because this corpo sucks. She will be better off regardless of where she goes, and you're going to hear about it when she pops up somewhere else.
It's not the end of the fucking world but for some reason you fags are crying doom about it.

>>83214592
Ok Kilia

>>83212564
Have fun baker anon

>>83214365
I get it but also take into account that there are contracts and NDAs involved, and they cant be too open about the hows and whys I feel, if anything you would just get your cookie cutter "i love everyone but Im going on a different way" explanation, cuz they dont want to be unprofessional, like if I went on linkedin and trashed my old company, not only would I be forever banned from my former job, but my new employers would see me as a liability more than an asset with that attitude.

>>83211787
the point of your question is

>>83191319
If they get lazier after going indie it's usually a character flaw with the streamer. Some of the Ex-Prism girls seem to be doing well and even better after their corpo went under.

>>83214592
You can tell who the tourists are because they use gifs like this

>>83215604
You're making way too much sense anon. People here might not like it. If you keep making that much sense retards here will start realizing shit is falling apart behind the curtain and maybe there's a reason for her graduation and it wasn't en elaborate 4D chess exit scam that involved setting her cuck shed on fire, and we can't have that.

>>83215888
They'd be better off if prism didn't debut males which killed the fanbase, and caused the corpo to go under.

>>83216076
You should be happy about it because this corpo sucks. She will be better off regardless of where she goes, and you're going to hear about it when she pops up somewhere else.
It's not the end of the fucking world but for some reason you fags are crying doom about it.
There, the exact same comment without a gif. Are you happy now?

>>83216235
I never really followed that corpo but didn't they debut only like 2 dudes? I swear I've seen some of the girls collab with guys before then anyways.

Bro, I-

>>83216359
This will save the corpo

>>83216105
>retards here will start realizing shit is falling apart behind the curtain
Are you some vallure fag or something? No one here has been anything but critical about this corpo's management and have assumed the worst about the behind the scenes conditions for months now.

>>83216359
This makes about as much sense as the cover they just released

>>83216235
>>83216339
Shiki, the biggest male collaber of that corpo, was also the biggest chuuba in that corpo and still has a bunch of parasocial paypigs. Almost like that shit doesn't really matter.

>>83216266
The problem isn't that you used a gif. The problem is you're using some reddit meme slop and not an actual eien reaction images.

>>83208333
>>83209016
basically don't put too much trust into anyone online, never ever trust them for any fucking reason ever. these are fucking strangers, complete strangers to us. they can say anything they fucking want but that doesn't make them not strangers. always assume it could all be over tomorrow and don't plan your free time around a chuuba.

it sucks because many chuubas -want- you to throw that caution to the wind and be big paypigs, because that benefits them. it benefits the companies too, they promise you the world if it gets you to stay membered and SC'ing. corpos and indies etc generally need people who buy into it hardcore like this for the business to operate - at a large enough scale actually merch, live events, youtube revenue etc actually eclipses what most fans can contribute in SCs, but at a small scale they have no merch or events and entirely need the fans for this to work at all. which indeed makes it all the more bad when they leave because they have very small, very close communities that feel a lot more personal etc.

>>83216688
The cgdct girls like ami had halved ccv following the male wave. Guess that shit does matter.
Not to mention all of them are less relevant than even the girls in this corpo now.

>>83216538
Yet everyone is pinning the graduation solely on her and painting her as some kind of scammer that hates her fans.
You're not making any sense when you shit on the company but blame the talents for everything, even if its caused directly by the shit you're trashing the corpo for.
My rrat is she got fed up with management and decided to get out. Simple as that, and I would never hate her for not wanting to deal with Eri and her clique of retards and wanting something better for herself.

>>83216688
Almost, if not all Prism members collabed with males though. Shiki would be a mid 3 views if she didn't.

>>83216359
we're so back

i find the girls

>>83216359
Is there some kind of deeper meaning to this movie that relates to current events or is this just an incredibly tone deaf move from whoever green lit this?

>>83216966
You're assuming everyone here is the same person and that thinking eien is mismanaged and that Kilia took advantage of fans are somehow mutually exclusive ideas

>>83217712
It's a Lupin III movie, it's just a tone deaf move

>>83217712
Who knows. Mods haven't bothered with actual community events in months. Clarissa got upset that people wanted to play literally anything other than Lethal Company.

>>83214365
>It's how it's handled. It's out of the blue, with no reason or explanation,
Please tell me this is your first graduation because it could have been handled way worse and I'm not even talking about Niji. Kilia is the face of Eien and was able to make a name for herself with her covers during a time where we were only known for the chair shit while also networking with a bunch of girls outside of just collabs. Shes obviously gonna come back somewhere so theres no need to get too worried like when meheras get terminated, corpos release a sloppy "graduation" announcemnt that boils down to "We fired them because they did etc.", or when theres a mass graduation walk out. People who watch her will find her again and while its the end of and era having it plainly say "Her contract is up and shes not renewing" is probably the best case senario for a graduation annoucnment for someone with a pretty clean career since it really boils down to "creative differences" at best and "Id dont wanna be here anymore" at worse. Buoys will be sad because no graduation is a happy one but outside of the shock and reaction to the sudden hiatus in half a month, most people know if shes leaving in a pretty professional way she's probably gonna pull and Eww and show up again somewhere else so its only about the wait and what her new self will be like which is way less stressful having to speculate.

>>83189969
Eien?
More like eiEND

>>83218976
Hard to argue with this.

>>83218399
>corpos release a sloppy "graduation" announcemnt that boils down to "We fired them because they did etc.",
bruh, the Riifu pinkslip could have been written by Niji

>>83220214
My point is the graduation it self is the only thing about this situatiuon that sucks

>>83220214
Idk about that. It reminds me of Riro with Idol. She was definitely someone who needed to be fired. They just went about it in the stupidest way possible.

>>83220664
The graduation also sucks because she's signed the death warrant for every other talent. Not that she should be responsible for shouldering that burden. It's the harsh reality of the situation. Without Kilia or Zumi eien falls. They both brought legitimacy to eien as a corpo in the wider small corpo sphere. While losing Kilia is obviously a bigger loss, losing either wad the death knell. There's still hope for a gen 3 turnaround but I can't imagine many of the talents will roll those dice.

>>83208333
Mythfag here, lmao

>>83222468
>There's still hope for a gen 3 turnaround
lol
lmao even

>>83222468
I mean vreverie somehow still got a 3rd gen

>>83222565
I didn't say it was likely. I implied it was a massive gamble even. But one Kanna tier hire could save the corpo.

>>83222662
Have they even put out audition notices? because this corpo will be empty before the year ends. Shit will look even more grim than it does now come Haven's renewal date

>>83222662
Didn't their management ride off into the sunset and none of those girls are getting paid anymore?

>>83222777
Supposedly gen 3 was set in stone alongside gen 2. But I think Idol claimed the same thing so who knows.

>>83222887
One of them is doing a birthday donothon right now so I can't imagine she's doing it for free

The fact things are going to get a whole lot worse in the coming months just brings me down. It sucks.

Don't forget to give Amora more money!

>>83223585
While our death is likely inevitable I at least hope it doesn't happen in such a way that the girls stop getting paid or any of the other dying corpo tomfoolery. Especially with two donothons still on the table. I've saved up a bit for Navi's donothon. I'd like the confidence I can actually give her the money.

>>83223749
I don't like how Amora handled her break either but trying to make her a money grubbing villian in all this is just off base

>>83193252
Dude That's Cringe

>>83223585
Honestly I'm hoping Eien itself burns and the girls take their models with them at this point. Seeing it happen a few times already makes me feel like it the best option since not all their work will go to waste

why do events transpire that make my oshis sad. stop it

>>83223888
They won't die before doing everyone's birthday donothons you can be sure of that. Now whether they actually get paid who knows

>green woman whorepo is doing better than EIEN these days
Deserved, to be quite honest.

>>83224127
Kilia was the only girl who would actually use their model outside of eien. It's over.

>>83224565
If it came out Zumi didnt like being a frawg I'm gonna really be sad

>>83224465
How are whorepo friends Yume+ doing these days?

>>83224565
Considering Amora's oshi is Skye, I 100% guarantee she would also use her model outside of EIEN if she got to keep it.

>>83198001
who called everyone whores and disappeared for 6 months, that sounds hilarious

>>83224674
Zumi said she'd be fine with either her current or Navi's model during predebut. She's fine being a frog. And seemed extra thankful she ended up with it. I just don't think she'll want the baggage even if she still wants the fans. She's too much of an anxious autist.
I don't mind the alien bug design either. I just think her name is too much of a mouthful.

>>83220214
It's like they looked at the graduation of Zaion Lanza, which was recent at the time, and decided that this is going to be their role model on how to graduate a vtuber

>>83224690
You mean how EIEN is gonna end up in a few months?

>>83209016
Same, especially when I found Shondo, I don't even bother keeping up with shit now, I literally don't care, it's so FOMO/concernfag infested, it's insane. The idea of vtubing is nice, vtubers though? Horrible.
I guess the FOMO part is especially bad, when you aren't a real fan if you don't dedicate your whole life outside of the job to that certain vtuber.
Also so many money drainers and literal e-thots using vtubing as a quickbuck, or the whole "I swap my name and model 10 times trying to scam everyone each time, however don't you ever mention that because that would be doxxxxxxxing". It's funny how some bitches showing their bodies know what men want better than those chicks that literally don't have to do anything yet fail every time.

>>83224690
green woman whorepo must be doing a LOT better than eien if you'd rather talk about Yume+

>>83191212
any recent and future small corpo announcement is because of this
solo rando with iphone is too efficient
you need group 3d concert money to scale better

>>83225427
Yume+ was their only other corpo friend and they're dead. And they were far blacker than Eri could ever be. Riitards please have some consistency with your complaints.

>>83225975
>only other corpo friend

>>83208333
You took the small corpo pill

Please make your discord raid less obvious fellas. We already hated Eri without your input. Doesn't mean we like Riifu and her retarded ass will not be vindicated regardless of how things go down with eien. I sure as fuck know that my oshi won't be complaining about her steam account on her way put the door.

>>83226086
You stupid niggas couldn't even pull a vsmp invite. In a server that houses kawaii and vdere at the same time.

>>83226086
Your thread's friends list is literally "V&U and others". Zumi alone has more goodwill in that arena.

>>83226269
Graduation raids are inevitable. They'll forget about us after the thread dies and something more interesting happens

>>83226269
dude it had Spore and Portal 2!

>>83226269
I guess calling like two people a raid is pretty accurate when your thread is this dead lmao

Looks like Skye is awake

>Checking out Killias art tag for a new bake
>Second image is this from april 2013

>>83228275
Crop the bottom two out and it's a fine image

>>83228275
Crop the upper two out and it's a fine image