/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Advent doesn't have "group dynamics", they have Biboo dynamics. Take her out of any collab and it's over.

>>83181918
Kiara just ruins the vibes for everyone else when they collab, can't be helped.

gura refused the center position, everything was awkward after that.

>>83181918
None of the gens have perfect chemistry, all of them have one or two people that ruin the vibe,mori, kiara, kronii, shiori, nerissa and erb

>>83181918
Justice (without ERB) > Advent > Promise > Myth > Justice (with ERB)

>>83181918
Ina is just awkward. She has no sense of comedic timing, she always trips over her words and she just says the most cringe shit that you can't respond to with anything other than an awkward laugh. She also hates her fans and it wouldn't surprise me if she hates most white people.

Keep in mind. EN is essentially a large group of "Mori and her friends".
The group may expand, but its mainstay is always Mori.
She's the person in the position of Fubuki in JP.

>>83182664

>>83182687
Myth (without Mori and Kiara) > the rest. There are reasons for this. Don’t ignore it because of favoritism; look beyond the rabbit hole.

>>83183063
LOL LMAO

>>83181918
They used to have a good group dynamic. But then, they also used to be a group.

What the... Watch this and tell me they don't have chemistry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vltsTKKqzBo

>>83181918
>coping
We have known this since debut. Became more obvious when Lazulight and then Council debuted. Pieces of Myth have great chemistry but as a whole it is terrible.

Most of their collabs are legendary specifically because of this by the way.

Blame Kiara.
Even Calli got a bit better eventually.

>>83182328
She's the worst part of large group collabs. She's good 1 on 1 and solo, but very annoying in large groups with how loud she is.

It really is telling that Advent has had practically weekly collabs since debut, but it takes a fucking miracle to get Myth to do anything together lmao. I Think its mainly cause Gura/Ame/Ina generally stick to themselves and don't really care to do much group stuff, while Cali is at least open with doing whatever and Kiara just comes across as too pushy. Like seriously, Gura/Ame/Ina rarely even do collabs, Mori is the one who's done outside stuff like with VCR, and Kiara is in a weird place of being the main extrovert but doesn't do much stuff outside of Holo or even within the company with other people

And yet it just works

>>83184085
>lazulight being at all good
Kill yourself nijinigger/mintnigger

>>83181918
>texan rapper weeb
>socially inept woman-child with 4chan humor from some farm in the middle of nowhere
>some socially anxious cali woman with family issues
>hiki canadian artist that only leaves her room once a month for waste disposal
>austrian weeb obsessed with idol culture with almost stereotypical levels of "german humor"
No shit they dont have chemistry, they are almost their own species by how unique they are, but thats also why Myth became a success, had they been a bunch of quirky but mostly regular girls like Council/Promise HoloEN wouldnt be what it is today. I love their ackward collabs, they are endearing to me.

Kiara is that one bitch who goes "you should do this weird thing it'll be so funny"

And when you suggest she do it herself she goes "omg no that's too embarrassing"

The worst part is she seems to do this unconsciously so it's not like she's aware enough to turn it off or realize why it's annoying as fuck

>>83185218
>Mori is the one who's done outside stuff like with VCR
because people within hololive don't like her and she's always been a grifter
>Kiara is in a weird place of being the main extrovert but doesn't do much stuff outside of Holo or even within the company
because people within hololive don't like her and she literally doesn't have anything else

>>83185334
Hindsight is fucking 20/20. And fuck off, asshole. There's a clear divide between Mint fans who are blinded by nostalgia and Mint fans who want Elira and Finana to drop dead.

>>83182686
Ina did seem to vibe really well with the ID girls in the recent holocup.

I actually think she might have some bullying trauma and can only relax around Asians.

>>83185517
Pomu was shit and mint is also shit
All current and former nijis are

>>83185422
I like Kiara overall; but she was awful in some early collabs. People forget that the origin of the bottom left meme is her making some dumb Seiso vs smart X Y axis, people Ame in the dumb whore part then whining when the girls tried to do the same to her until they changed their mind.

>>83185591
Tribalfags need not apply.

>>83185422
yes
she's a woman

>>83181918
SNOT proves this, but then again, who cares. MORE SNOT COLLABS!

>>83181918
>holo v holo
I wonder whomsoever could be behind this post

>>83181918
I'll admit it, but its just because mori is a wet blanket

Reminder that any critique of Cover and its talents is impermissible on this board.

>>83185566
She's Korean, she probably sees ID as a pack of animals.

Do the girls from promise even collab with each other anymore?

>>83185218
You're a faggot lmao

>>83181918
What coping? It has been a common argument since day one. Ina is awkard on collabs, and Ame is the same outside a select few. The forced ship between Mori and Kiara only fooled obnoxious shipfags. Gura had great energy with Mori and Ame, but only on one-to-one collabs.
That's why when Promise (then councilrys)debuted Gura and Mori almost instantly got better synergies. It's sad that SNOT imploded, but early on they were all the rage.
Myth doesn't have a good chemistry. And that's okay. Are you friends with all your coworkers?

>>83185790
It seems like you’re trying to get rid of things that were supposed to be better for the whole, even if they had gone that route from the beginning. Don’t try to get rid of things that have been messed up on and off. Ignorant people might forgive, and newfags won’t know eventually.

>>83186469
Thankfully no

Between Mori stuck in her 'empty acknowledgement' mode, Kiara tryharding and trying to imitate JP collabs, Ina mumbling under her nose, Gura perpetually clowning around and Ame borderline nonexisting 90% of the time, it's a tough dynamic for sure.
But, it's not like other gens are better together either. Just because they giggle a lot more together in lieu of back and forth discussion, doesn't mean that the stream is naturally more entertaining. Or maybe it's more entertaining for peabrained casualfags, I don't know.
Also, it's not like I have to make a pledge to support only one group. I'll watch what entertains me and I'll skip content that doesn't, simple as.

>>83181918
>Myth has the worst group dynamic out of all of HoloEN
No shit.
>MEMEME Kiara
>talking like she has downs extrovert Mori
>boring shut in Ina
>fucking terrible at socializing Ame
>Gura, who would rather be doing anything else

>>83186439
hence why she had an upbeat demeanor, it's like chilling at the petting zoo

Collabs are almost never good no matter who they involve

>>83181918
>don’t want to admit that Myth has the worst group dynamic out of all of HoloEN.
Myth and Council both had to suffer from early EN management which didn't give them any input on their design and was extremely strict. Cover shills like to put the blame on the talents but there were a lot of fishy stuff that happened in 2022. Sana had a graduation which might not have been optional and Ina was openly thinking of graduation before going on that 3 month radio silent break.

Gura and Mori were recently doomposting so whatever is going on with management is likely stressing them out again. The Aqua graduation shows that even the JP side has major complaints and the Hololive NDA is the only reason we never hear about them.

>>83187018
Nijilies the post

>>83186469
Kronii and fauna have a cold war going on

Fuwamoco being family and biboo basically being the adopted baby makes things really easy for the other 2. Nerissa and Shiori basically act like the parents while the kids do wacky stuff.

I think Promise dynamics would improve if Mumei and Bae would accept being seen as the "children" of the group. But every time the hags wanna baby them, they get all bratty and insist they're more mature than they actually are.

>>83182664
I think you might just like women that don't talk at all.

>>83186710
>Between Mori stuck in her 'empty acknowledgement' mode
What?

Gura just ruins the vibes for everyone else when collab, can't be helped.

>>83183920
No one in this thread watches streams anon, stop it.

Myth was never good. Gura was never good. Not even early on. Promise was ok, but Advent was the first time EN actually got really good. They are the Golden Gen.

Is this just a "stealth" orange woman bad thread?
Did her tweet about loving Ina trigger it?

>>83181918
I can't watch Advent collabs, and I've tried. Mostly because I can't take the dogs. I hit my cringe limit within minutes of listening to them. Every time. You guys can have them all to yourselves.

>>83188871
This, I'm a Justchad now.

>>83188499
Based

>>83188275
It's when she just reacts something tangentially relevant to the last sentence that someone else said, but gives zero opportunity for another talent to continue the discussion with it.
>if you make mac and cheese, you have to mix in the butter after you killed the heat, else the butter won't emulsify into the sauce and you get a runny sauce on top of your final plate that's neither creamy nor delicious
>oh yeah, mix it in real good, mhmm
The second sentence adds nothing to the discussion and Mori operates with similar sentences about 70% of the time in a collab. It's truly atrocious.

>>83188871
So much this. UwU speak is good if done ironically. They do it all the time. And not like Biboo, who sounds like someone with a speech impediment. They sound like that weird kid in high school, and you know what I mean.
Maybe all ruffians were like that? I don't understand the appeal otherwise.

>>83181918
holy shit a holo vs holo thread
wild

>>83181918
Mori ruins the group dynamic. You can tell she doesn’t want to be there. I agree Kiara can be pushy but you need some of that to break the ice.

>>83184398
sounds familiar

>>83181918
My oshi is from Myth and I agree, Myth collabs are only content that I actively avoid
Remove Gura and suddenly it will become much better

this thread reeks of inferiority

>>83188499
HOLY BASED

>>83188027
pretty spot on

Council had the best chemistry but Sana threw it all away.

>>83193733
Sana was the one dragging them down in terms of chemistry.

>>83193832
And yet they almost never have "muh promise" collabs, whereas Council did stuff together every week

>>83188027
I don't think Promise has someone like Shiori who reflexively goes into the parental role in full gen collabs. I'd say Fauna but she prefers to be the big sister.

>>83193942
>>83188027
>Nerissa and Shiori basically act like the parents while the kids do wacky stuff.
It's pretty ironic that those 2 also happen to be the youngest members of advent

>>83182664
You are this close to realizing that you just don't like some chuubas

>>83188027
Rissa seems to have gotten a lot closer with the twins lately and every time they talk about each other, it's clear the feeling is mutual. Their vibe is much closer to the oneesangumi than parent/child

>>83194134
I know the dogs are hags, but is Biboo really older than Shiori and Nerissa?

>>83193908
The "stuff together" died because of Sana, and the chemistry of the group was better when Sana wasn't in the collabs. Last year promise gave at least like 3 collabs that were the top 5 EN streams of the year. Now there's something weird going on with Fauna and Kronii, but the ones keeping in some way the connections between everyone alive are IRyS and Bae, since Bae talks with everyone, but mostly with IRyS, Fauna and Mumei, and IRyS is the one talking with Kronii all the time and she kinda keeps up with everyone too

>>83194765
FWMC-Early thirties
Biboo-Late twenties
Shiori-Mid twenties
Nerissa-Early twenties

>>83194765
Biboo and Nerissa joked around once about Biboo being the older of the two and apparently no one has enough social intelligence to understand that it was a joke. I think this was clipped and got popular because of that, so that would explain it.

>>83195593
retard

>>83193908
>And yet they almost never have "muh promise" collabs, whereas Council did stuff together every week
Myth and Council both started avoiding full gen collabs after Sana's graduation and when they did happen it was because management was forcing them to shill merch. Whatever happened in 2022 burned them out in a way that made them reluctant to do full gen collabs and it has been almost 32 months since HoloEN had a full branch collab.

>>83196025
Getting a full branch collab is absurdly unrealistic. AmeSame spelling bee is the closest you will get considering everyone was invited but not everyone could make it.

>>83196022
nta, but
Faggot.
If you have contradicting evidence, then present it, otherwise fuck off.

>>83196022
fwmc, shiori, and nerissa are more or less accurate, but nobody is really sure about biboo

>>83181918
Working as intended. People forget what a shot in the dark experiment Myth was at the time, they picked 5 very different girls with very different interests in the hope that one or two of them would succeed in finding an audience.
The fact that they even have as much chemistry as they do is a minor miracle.

>>83192749
>removes gura
>ame becomes an untalking bg character

>>83181918
barely anyone denies myth having no group chemistry, it's mostly that people don't care about it when discussing the quality of the group, and they shouldn't because group collabs are always worse than good one on ones

>>83196142
Maybe a full EN branch collab is unrealistic after Justice but they had an entire year to make an attempt with Advent. The way things are going it feels like they didn't want to have any more full branch collabs and it certainly won't happen after they get a 5th gen.

>>83188499
>popular thing. bad.

>>83196163
>>83196268
I only trust Biboo i dont care about fake dox

>>83195593
There is no way Nerissa is in her early twenties she is older

>>83188499
it's amazing how actually fucking wrong you are

>>83201971
My taste > your taste. Cope.

>>83182518
Gura is literally always in the middle of Holo myth, I still think Ame should be in the middle

>>83188499
based

>>83182518
>gura refused the center position

holo is shit

>>83181918
This true for all of Hololive gens though, because most of them are introverts. They work best in groups of 1-3 people.

>>83181918
It’s crazy how overrated promise is yet their group collabs (plus gura) are some of the best content under the en umbrella

>>83205574
*overhated

>>83183472
Anon that would just be 3 people not speaking.

>>83181918
Watson is the only one who can hold the group together. Unfortunately she no longer want to do it

>>83206631
baffling post

>>83182436
Don't be so harsh on her.

>>83181918
why do adventfags hate myth so much?

>>83209572
Nah have you seen them in myth collabs.
Ina: laying on the floor, mumbling
Gura: Standing as far from the mic as possible
Ame: Silent.

>>83188027
Advent definitely has the best chemistry but I don't know how if I'd agree with saying Nerissa and Shiori act like the parents. Shiori is definitely the mom friend in the group, very caring and patient with anyone but when the two interact it's always the same bit
>one-sided flirting
>ignored
>one-sided flirting

>>83182436
This, and Ina has the personality of a goldfish.

>>83192516
I mean, you can generally tell Mori doesnt want to be there period - not just in collabs but VTubing in general. It's been beaten to death but it's plain as day to see that she just uses it as a platform for her music, even if she has to do it under a different name. Some people you can tell are phoning it in, and she's worse than that - you can literally hear the customer service smile in her in-character voice. I really don't hate her as a person, fuck i even like some of her music, but she's always felt fake. She's forcing it, and i'm not sure if she's capable of ever not forcing anything. To go full schizo for a second, at times it feels like the moment she turns or mic off she's on the border of a mental breakdown.
>>83187807
I'm out of the loop here, as i've mostly been hanging around rat streams, but do we know wtf is going on between Kronii and Fauna?

>>83182436
based. orange ruins every collabs

>>83181918
>Advent has actual chemistry.
Post Myth-gens, especially Advent and Justice, are hired and trained to be at least on stream friends while Myth very much are a bunch of misfits, some of which just never have many friends before, thrown onto the job.
It's like watching a show about a group of friends and then complaining how all irl friendships suck compared to the show the actors put up.
Not discounting Advent, but I just find Myth's interactions to be more sincere and relatable.

>>83222576
People also fail to realize that on-stream chemistry can be way different from off-stream. And genuine good friends might sometimes just seem like they have bad chemistry at first glance but have it anyway. People are complicated and all that bullshit.

What no one remembers is that Myth collabs were kinda frequent too until that stupid ttrpg sucked up al their group-collab time and made them dread the idea altogether. They never recovered from this.

I love Myth!
I love Promise!
I love Advent!
I love Gigi, Cece and Raora!

>>83182664
Shiori already fixed her problem of being suddenly quiet in a way it's her way of adjusting to fuwamoco who doesn't really like her jokes that much

>>83183472
anon that's just 3 people who don't stream

>>83185591
Man, you're gonna be SO upset then within the next few days.

>>83185419
This is literally just advent and promise too just admit your bias and how you don't watch any other gens. It's easier for your ego that way.

>>83186710
Liking giggling and back and fort discussion = pea brain
Jesus myth fag if you wanna bring up your favorite gen just do it. The way you brought down the people who likes the other gen make you seem really insecure

>>83181918
>Just watch Advent instead.
Don't have the time or attention span.

>>83196025
>HoloEN had a full branch collab.
when was the last full holoJP branch collab with no absences?

>>83181918
Why do we need to care this much about "group chemistry"? Every stream being an open vc collab sounds exhausting, most importantly a streamer should be entertaining on their own, no help required.

>>83225942
>HoloEN: 20 talents
>HoloJP: 70 talents
Bruh, 70 people all in one single stream sounds like an absolute nightmare. You'd need less coordination for lunar landing.

>>83226355
Because group appeal is the biggest thing Hololive offers. If people wanted to watch lone wolves in a cut throat environment, they'd watch Niji. People like watching Hololive because of the unique group dynamics.

>>83182664
Kronii is a dogshit solo streamer, but she’s good in collabs.