/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>816601
Artemis the shark

men are gay
post traps instead

Male debuff.

Females don't even have to be particularly engaging to at least have a decent floor of subs, all it takes is an even mildly cute laugh and/or voice and thirsty paypigs will throw money at them, no matter how shallow or vapid they are.

Men weren't built for this medium. They should stick to being good at something, or be remarkably funny to make it in entertainment/youtube/twitch. At this point, they don't need to go to the extra effort to get art, model, and rigging. Even women would rather watch female vtubers.

I know an English guy who just got his rigging done, I'll have to check and see if he had a debut yet

https://youtube.com/channel/UCHjeZylSgXDSnor8wUnwU_g
Based fisherman

>>818653
Fishman needs to fix his pinned video, the audio quality is off putting

>>818384
UPDATE: no debut or schedule yet, rip

https://www.twitch.tv/cece

one of the only dudes i cn watch because hes not a weirdo weeb. foxyjoel, takahata101, and kadukununu are pretty good ones too depending on what type of contet you want

kongou kokuretsu gets posted around /vt/ every now and then he seems pretty popular around here

>>818258
>>818010
I don't believe in this "male debuff" shit. Nijisanji and JP indies have plenty of male vtubers just as successful, if not more so than females.
If I had to guess, the reason why there aren't any male en vtubers outside of trannies/traps is because most guys who are likely to find out about vtubers are weird, unproductive, gross, uninteresting weebs that have no clue how to entertain people and/or they'd much rather be watching vtubers instead of actually putting in the grind to become one themselves.

>>819806
Male debuff has to exist because the demographic isn't just "people who want to watch vtubers", it's "males who want to see cute girls doing cute things". While the lack of an ability to entertain is way more common amongst male vtubers because of the reasons you listed, it's not the sole reason they're not popular.

>Male Vtubers
>They all have fujobait designs

>>819806
"I don't believe in a statistical fact"
Okay m8

>>820050
Fujobait just doesn't work. The only guy I know who can pull it off is Takahata, and he's a voice actor and not just some weirdo weeb.

The best bet for a male design imo are monster, rpg class, or "object turned human" style character. Leave "X but sexy" to the women's halloween costumes

engineer gaming

>>820475
Fujobait works but unlike Niji, ENfags need to make fujobait that appeals to westerners.

>>818258
Men have no advantage as vtubers. The demand for an anime waifu is high so it can compete with traditional streamers. Demand for an anime bro/friend is shit and an anime husbando will have to compete with KPOP dudes.

>>820478
engineer gaming

>>820144
"Statistical fact" just says male vtubers aren't popular, anon. You think that can't be a combination of low demand and poor entertainers?

>>821075
Corpse has an amazing voice so I get it, but I do not understand the appeal of Dream. He plays manhunts in Minecraft with his friends while they suck his dick. I didn't like it. And apoarently he cheated at some speedrun or some shit? I just dont get it.

>>821575
20 million twelve year olds wishing they were that cool can't be wrong

>>819806
>>820026
A mix of the two. Males can be consistently entertaining more than women (look at stand up comedians) without the fallback of a vtuber identity, but a bad male comedian fails harder than an average female vtuber. They both have to be entertaining in the end, but females will be granted the benefit of the doubt due to our hard wiring.
If you're entertaining and a male, you will do better as a cam guy, an average male can compensate with a character where it gives a woman a minor buff. A poor entertainer of either sex is just trash regardless.

>>821702
Yeah but if this was true then surely we'd just be looking at very little good/popular male EN vtubers instead of the zero we currently have atm.

>>816630
/thread

>>821728
Not really, since we already have our top male streamer entertainers established before this. Why watch some cartoon guy playing minecraft when we have [Insert X here] that plays the game better.
We look to men to have skill, western women want attractiveness. The fujo market isn't really there for male vtubers. What you'd be looking for as a male vtuber is to incorporate a strong gimmick. "I want to be a monster husbando" or something, but you have to understand you're masking yourself for the sake of a niche audience.
Pewdiepie got big being a "big bro" streamer, without a mask. That's an easy position for western streamers to take, and most people in the west aren't looking for that from a cartoon character.

>>821575
He’s just really autistically skilled and that’s what people find interesting.

I wonder if the definition were expanded we'd actually have a few hits

I know there are several guys with animated avatars that only use them in pre-recorded contexts while there are others that are basically using machinima instead of custom-built models

>>816601
Men no longer have any hope in this world

>>816601
is he a vtuber?

>>821075
Who?

>>816601
>Convince me the audience isn't dominated with coomers, lolicons, and lonely men
Big misconception there, retard. You're acting as if no one watches men when they are the bigger content creators everywhere in the world. It's just that female content creators apart from VTubers on yt/twitch are worthless garbage. That's who females are competing with for attention. Whereas male VTubers compete with male contenr creators on yt/twitch who are just leagues above them and more entertaining to watch.

>>822697
This. Guys are competing with competent guys, who are running the game already, and have been for years.
Women (vtubers) are competing with boring ass-shaking e-thotts. It's an easy market for them.
It's like crying about how you aren't CEO of a fortune 500 company because some guy already beat you to the position.

>>823314
You can't pretend like successful men like pewdiepie and whatever means they've cornered the market when pokimane and a whole litany of e-whores are loads more successful. This competition shit doesn't make sense since their audiences are so separate. You really think a korone viewer would go watch valkyrae? OP is asking why, if there exists a separate audience for watching girl irls vs vtubers, there doesn't seem to be one for men vtubers (english specifically I mean)

>>823476
That's because female vtubers have tapped into an entirely different market. As you said yourself, people who watch Hololive would rather kill themselves than watch twitch thots. Japanese VTuber females have to entertain with their personality because everyone is behind an anime avatar so they can't rely on their looks. I'd argue that for males there is a far bigger overlap in the audience of people who would watch regular male content creators as well as male vtubers, hence the fierce competition. Men have always had to entertain with their proficiency and humor which is why the standards are way higher for male content creators regardless of what you are doing. This cynically also mirrors real life, where females can coast on their looks through life easily, whereas the expectations placed on you are way higher as a man.

There was a post recently explaining it perfectly.
female vtubers are taping into a market that isnt prevalent in the west (less obnoxious e-thot more tv pure)
male vtubers are either taping into a super niche market (fujo) or are competing in a heavily saturated market (other male CC in general)

>Not posting THE hermit
GeenyB aight.

>>818010
There are tons of female chuubas and streamas who have both and few viewers or cashflow. Existing is a debuff. Failure is the inevitable result of trying to do anything, but there is no alternative.

>>>>Male Vtubers
>>>Male EN vtubers


Unless they use a feminine avatar, they are dead like a straight white male moving into california.

Or you know, has some entertainment value of some sort.

>>824684
What if the HolostarsEN is all straight manly test?

>>824684
the EOPs in the male niji chats tell me there's a chance

There's him

>>816601
the OP photo literally looks like vtuber persona of asanagi son

>>825968
I believe Merry is one of the most successful male EN streamers right now. He's also quite friendly and puts in work. That said i guess its also unfair to compare him to others due to him beeing the maker of comics like Internet Explorer and StalkerxStalker. Other big ones i can mention are SeanVR and TFMJonny but the latter of the bunch appeal more to the vrchat crowd. Then there's BungoTaiga who is a trap.

>>825818
There is. Just dont give up when your first 10 streams have 2 viewers. Ascend the mountain and put in the work necessary to make your stream unique.

>>816601
does it count if it's a guy with a female avatar?

I said it once and I'll say it again. Male chuubas should NOT go for the fujo/male idol approach as only a select few can pull it off. They should go for the wrestling approach of turning up their personality to 11. The most successful males in Niji did that and now the top superchats for Niji are split between male/females.

The prim and proper idol image just doesn't fit for males. The real goal should not be seeking for female/homo simps but to be a bro to the audience. This is the reason why male streamer/youtubers of the past still have strong fanbases to this day, this goes for dead channels too. Friday Night Fisticuffs never ;_:

>1st gen of HoloStars EN ends up being CorpseHusband, Curtis Arnott (Taka) and Joshua Tomar, with some brit and some hapa to fill in the last couple of spaces
Based or cringe?

>>826937
>1st gen of HoloStars EN

DOA like oldgen of holostars, why bother if they are so underfunded with no promotion?

Unless you're a male(girl) like Mocca why even try? No one wants to watch Vtubers that aren't cute.

I need to:
-Find a job and move into my own place
-Keep doing my drawing reps (going well, character design is done, just needs some polish)
-Learn how to properly rig a model in L2D
I'm hoping I can check everything off within the next few months

>>816601
FUCK HOMOS

>>816601
There's obviously Merry who is a pretty alright watch. He and Lumi just separated their channels so you don't have to deal with finnish awoos.

If you wanna get into retarded obscure 2 Views. There's Pip, His upload schedule is a mess, his computer setup is pretty crap and he's awkward as fuck. But he's an alright guy who's big on audience interaction and he tries to keep shit family friendly, so he's not a horny fucking weirdo. He's an indie, male, ausfag, EN VTuber so he's basically never gonna get anywhere but I like him. He also doesn't post fucking ACAB|They/Them bullshit on his Twitter, which is a low fucking bar for EN Vtubers but he manages to clear it.

Those are basically the only two male EN VTubers I know besides Poodeepai.

Merry: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4Y7rOgtVgi2-POi0av8QsQ

Pip: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS0uIG-hiGEHwX_WhFBPqFg

>>816601
Wait...vtubers are an thing?!

>>818010
It's not a debuff, there's just no market for male vtubers. Average female doesn't want to watch game streams and if she did she'd play BL or gacha with males. Average male would rather watch pro gamer streams not some anime avatar shit.

>>816601
>A list of English-speaking virtuals
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zsc_Ray2d5b7rtgbGcznlHiM4KFDDD9VJZofX_WQBio/edit
https://twitter.com/VtuberWiki
https://twitter.com/VTubie

Here's a list. Pick who you'd like.

ay

>>830772
No there absolutely is you

>>832688
no one wants to play tf2 with you

>>833802
Gotta admire his tenacity.

>>830772
That's the debuff.

>>826891
Agreed, my two favourites are Roberu and Kongou for this reason. The combination of being chill guys while also being very high energy and hard working. The ones who try to 'compete' with women are never gonna make it.

>>816601
>>819613
>>825968
Why do so many male vtubers look overly effeminate, metro-sexual, fuck bois?

>>830865
Only looking for males and for some reason the gender category on your sheet literally is either blank or says "tranny"

>>837068
It garners more views

>>837068 >>840395
A good rig that automatically applies correctives for a muscular body in real-time, is much more complex. (At least for 3D, I don't have any experience with creating 2D rigs)
I would assume that a well made muscular male vtuber would certainly be able to find an audience.

>>841153
A Fetish audience probably, akin to furries. Any male vtuber (assuming we're talking EN indies and not big JP) can swap to a furry model and go from their nobody 8 viewer OC fuckboy to probably like 35 viewers just by being an anthro wolf in a t-shirt.

>>841394
I agree, the question is, does chaturbate accept furry cams?

Any good designer for male avatars? I want something simple, I haven't seen a Music Producer ENVtuber yet so it may be cool to try it

>>833802
Damn

>>816601
Not a En streamer.. but Nijisanji's Kaida Haru got 6k viewers and 1 million yen superchat just by eating 15 tomatoes

Leon and Alice

>>820751
nailed

>>816601
Do you think guys like Dr. DisRespect and Shroud would be successful as Vtubers? I doubt it. It's better for entertaining guys to cam their face
I guess we are all just a bunch of filthy coomer after all

>>857585
The Doc, yes. He's a character. A stylized dude with a 3D model to capture his expressiveness would do amazing. Shroud is literally just highly skilled He could stream with no webcam duri8ng gameplay and do just as well

>>822540
underrated

>>820050
>They all have fujobait designs
You didn't heard about Kongou I assume
He does lectures on interesting concepts like Dominant women, the nature of friendship, etc.
Also did an improv comedy stream because his collab had to cancel, he talked to a pole for an hour and managed to make it funny
100% commited to the Ninja lore, does waka readings and such

His new alternative outfit : https://streamable.com/d04wne

https://www.twitch.tv/kongouvtuber

>>841153
Masculine vtubers have come and gone. They perform worse than pretty boys on average who perform worse than little boys who perform worse than babiniku. Nijisanjis have always been outliers and should never factor into conversations about viability.

>>859253
The problem why couldn't make it was because they are incapable of showing any form of personality. Majority of them just coast on their design than show personality. Nijisanji ain't an outlier its proof that personality can go a long way just look at Yashiro and Chaika has a purposely unappealing design but he still manages to have a decent fanbase by his personality alone

>>857753
I don't know. Vtubing is too niche. Most people would prefer to watch a face than anime avatar.

>>819613
Cece has been underrated for awhile. Glad to see people recommending him.

I guess I'll shill myself a bit. I like to share stories about my time in the Finnish army, so sometimes I'll explain what horrible shit I went through, or I'll just shit talk the Finnish Defence Force if I feel like it. I do mainly bring that up, but usually in the context of something that happens. I'll be live in just a bit over 20 minutes. I did make the model myself, rigging included which explains a lot.
https://www.twitch.tv/privatelexi

I discovered this lad while looking for library of ruina videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjrbmIOeCr2WPn3wfI1ZwiA
I liked his 100% orange juice collab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApkNY1WkM6s

>>859366
How do I buy a personality?

>>872239
Unironically learn improv and try writing jokes.
Personality means interacting with things, the more stuff you react to on stream, the more people will learn about you as a person, hence personality. React to different things differently. A dull person is someone who is too predictable.

>>872239
personality forms through life experience, but be careful it might turn out to be a shitty personality.