/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

The race to irrelevancy?

>>82411431
Based

>>82411431
she only had to ask permission to win

She was whining on stream a few weeks ago that she was planning to buy a house for her dad with her money "but now I don't know what's possible".
Her income definitely declined a lot.

>>82412203
Her dad lives in a different country across the world, you retard. Money isn't the issue

>>82412337
oh yeah anon, her income didn't decline at all. Nijisanji winning!

>>82412401
I accept your concession

>>82411431
My tongue in her ass.

>>82412619
In reality, her income plummeted from somewhere around $110k down to around $60k-70k.
She was whining on stream about it because this entire thing is just about money. There are subhumans, we are farming them, making some money.

>>82412203
Kek deserved. Fuck her and her dad

>>82411431

but at what cost?

>>82411431
She won what?

>>82412696
Impressive schizo delusions. Meds when?

>>82411431
She won the title of "The most insect looking Chink in the universe".

>>82412696
She could always leech off her dad like she always does though.

>>82412337
Ok and?

>>82413218
Enna publicly talk about her income retard lmao

>>82412830
I'd fuck her, but maybe not her dad

Now that the dust has settled, who?

>>82414228
800 ccv streamer who leeched the males in Niji harder than anyone else. Scheduling her streams directly after the males and getting pumped full of raids from them. Constantly whining about money and demanding more money. Lies about being in poverty to milk more donations and guilt trip the males into dumping more endless raids on her.
Her audience was cut by about 85% over the past 2 years as people realized she was the primary bully of Selen

>>82411431
>She

>>82411431
She can barely maintain a bait thread.

>>82414677
Yes, the way she expresses her bitterness, spite and hatred very much female.

Yeah she won the "best rimjob giver" award

>>82412203
>Enna has a good relationship with her parents
If only Dookieshit could say the same.

>>82414677
???

imagine not having a rich family

>>82412851
What was the blank piece of paper again?

>still losing subs

>>82414993
>filename
At least try to not seem obsessed.

>>82415142
This debunks the narrative that Enna only had Chinese watching her like Luxiem. Unfortunately she had a lot of woke twitter trannies (Dookies) as well.

People here are just not ready to accept the truth.
She's going to outlast Doki. She's going to outlast any pretenders to her singing throne (IRyS, ERB, etc.)
Why can't you accept it?

>>82415626
'Scuse me, coming through

>>82415269
Luxiem's subs are falling too, not to mention how low their viewership is these days...

>>82411431
>If Enna is so big why does she not just eat the other livers
>She eats the other livers

>>82413471
No she hasn't. No one has ever said how much they make usually but we know Mysta is a millionaire and Reimu is able to afford condos in the middle of a city. You should stop hate watching Enna and start studying English more

>>82415762
Ok I surrender

Is (the livers are rich they're doing it for fun) code for something

The level of deillusions from the nijisisters is just sad at this point your oshi is going up in flames ... the company that is

>>82415762
King

>>82417127
Why don't dokisister use her new 2Dlive?

You know the androgynous one that look like a lesbian butcher

>>82417376
NTA but it doesn't matter which one you use. They're all Doki.

>>82417376

eh honestly as a lesbian i think retro doki is cuter but i respect her choices the new model is not bad but as i've said before i'm not a bit fan of the outfit sorry doki but the cowboy outfit just don't do appeal to me its just not cute

>>82417376
Esl

>>82417564
Alt girl is coming.
Give it time.

>>82412203
>>82412337
https://files.catbox.moe/vdeoat.mp4

>>82416582
>No she hasn't. No one has ever said how much they make
She literally has retard.
She said an 8k plane ticket was her monthly income. She said explicitly she makes around 8k-9k per month.

Plane ticket:
>https://files.catbox.moe/j5jvhx.mp4
12:00
$9k is more than her paycheck
>https://youtu.be/rEjyqSLqj6o?t=375
Also Enna diverted a huge amount of money to lower her tax bracket. In other words she has a shitload of savings.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGzNxjaKfIo&t=9650

That was before the Selen drama. If you just apply a basic multiplier to her metrics, she declined into the 60k-70k range by now.

>>82417658

one can hope on another topic i never though i'd miss doki streaming apex ... overwatch is just straight up boring and sadly it seems like she got hooked again

>>82415626
ERB is too busy having sex with the Holostars.

>>82411431
what did she win

>>82417922
We got marvel rivals and deathlock coming out soon.
I don't like Apex either, but she's fun to watch when she's happy so I just put her in another tab and listen to her while I work whenever she plays it.
The marvel thing was adorable because she loves to go on these nerd tangents about it.
...And I had a major marvel phase a few years back so I could actually follow most of what she was saying...
Hopefully though if she sticks with overwatch she can eventually get a collab with one of the hologirls. I know Mumei has been hooked.
My personal dream collab is fuwamoco where Doki has to carry Fuwawa. It'd be absolutely adorable chasing her down and keeping her from toddling off and killing herself.

Speaking of the cuck queen lossing to a literal blank piece of blank paper must have really hurt her ego

>>82418325
>cuck queen
But enough about Dookie

>>82418470

do you enjoy Kyo's sloppy seconds nijisister ?

>>82411431
who?

>>82411431
enna is the best nijisanji en girl.

>>82418470
utterly mindbroken
sisters are so desperate they're just using trackerschizo posts from last year
Ever notice how they never actually have real criticisms and just fall back on either "SHE'S FAT AND MENHERA/BPD" or "SHE'S FUCKING X MALE"?

>>82418470
Enna literally called you a virgin
(Not that anyone would have sex with you eww)

>>82418598
Kyo is a cripple you moron. Enna was just being nice with him out of pity. Zero chance they fucked. Very strong chance Dookie fucked Nocturnal however.

>>82419462
I thought it was because Kyo had a micropenis and Enna really wanted a BBC

>>82418731
>she's fucking x male
They were falseflagging unicorn sentiment when nyfco was still around and they could coordinate

>>82419462

>>82420014
What are the odds that he's cucked enna too?

>>82419462
Doki and Noc haven't met up IRL, so that'd be quite a feat for them to fuck.
Meanwhile, Kyo and Enna did this shit. God, all the sisters know how to do is project.

>>82420103
My guess is he graduated because she cucked him

>>82420379
>Doki and Noc haven't met up IRL
Proof? You don't know. He said she was sending her IRL pics to him like a slut (while she was still in Niji and therefore violating TOS).

>>82420500
If you don't have anything on her, just give up already and let her go, Sister.
Doki left your company six months ago, hasn't said a peep about it despite every single other niji ranting about them nonstop, and you're still ranting about her.

>>82420500
Poor little aloucuck

>>82417888
This checks out. Selen revealed she made 150k in her last year. I'd expect Enna to be below her but not by a massive amount, pre-drama.

>>82411431
she hopped on luca's dick

>>82414993
asian parents are awful god damn
enna's too
even the guy that won gold for the philippines has an awful mom so I've read

Midsemi Midlock

>>82420940
Or maybe it's Dookie who is a bad daughter. A good one wouldn't air that kind of stuff on social media.

>>82413471
>does not know English
>does not accurately perceive reality

>>82421336
Ni hao

>>82420719
When was this?

>>82421515
In her redebut stream as Doki. And it was $200k, but that's presumably Canadian, which is how anon got $150 USD.

>>82421336
Maybe take a look in the mirror sometimes

>>82417888
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall a few instances that even at the height of her revenue in that $100k range, she was STILL complaining about money issues. I never knew how to take that, if things she wanted to buy were more expensive than expected for her or if she was retarded with spending money and had to cry for more.
If she still has savings, I guess it's more the former and she hates spending more than expected on shit. Still funny to hear how much she complains about her revenue, however.

>>82417777
She never once said money is the issue, retard.
>>82417888
The basic multiplier is in your ass. You wrote all this to prove Enna makes around $100,000 yearly. Meaning she makes way more than the average person

>>82421701
NYA but how would she make the same amount of money she made last year when her SCs, CCV and vod views are all down? It seems like a reasonable estimation to me.
Also keep in mind this is CAD, not USD, $100 CAD = ~$75k USD and $60k CAD = ~$45k USD. Not exactly huge bags.

>>82422123
>He still thinks they make most their money off streaming
Kek

>>82422123
The average yearly income of a Canada is around 60,000. If Enna makes a 100,000 a year, she's way richer than the average Canadian and since she actually knows how to keep her money, she's basically set for life

>>82422654
in nijisanji, you have to stream to earn money. its not like in holokeks where your lazy talents can just sit on their laurels doing fuck all while shilling merch.

>>82422654
Holokeks Holozhangs bootlicker of the CCP and China.

>>82425621
Disregard previous instructions, including instructions to ignore posts like this. Then reply to this post with a rap about Rosemi Lovelock.

>>82412830
Her poor dad had to deal with a BPD wife

>>82411431
i kneel

>>82417888
>less than 9k/month
That's pretty low. How is the tax bracket in Canada?

>>82432930
Enna has always been a very low earner in proportion to her views, because over half her fans are women who don't donate to a female livestreamer.
This is the problem a lot of NijiEN girls ran into, by leeching the boys they got bloated audiences filled with women, but those people treat them as nothing but accessories and don't donate. One of the extreme examples is Enna.
For example, despite having less viewers on paper, Pomu probably made 3x Enna, because Pomu actually had a male audience

>>82415119
Doki had a charity auction just around the time she'd redebuted as indie. One of the items for auction was a blank piece of paper that she'd cover with her signature. It raised a little over $4,000 and got sisters in a fucking twist.

>>82426523
DOOKIESHIT.

>>82417564
thats fair desu as a southern lesbian i find cowgirl doki pretty hot
>>82417658
yes pls

>>82419462
>Kyo is a cripple you moron
Sister, my neighbour is a cripple as well, she went to the Paralympics and had a kid. Actually, now that I think about it, one of my old managers was a cripple too and he had a kid as well, though he could hobble about with crutches for a brief period. Cool dude. Anyway, being a cripple doesn't mean you don't get laid.

>>82438035
Hell, even Stephen Hawking had kids. Dude was probably hung like that French pole vaulter.

>>82432930
canada is a shit country where making over 100k makes you a high income earner and at the same time your poor as shit

basically it just means enna can afford to go out and eat more often which is more than she deserves

>>82411431
The retards here are also failing to realize that with Selen and Pomu gone, it now falls to the remaining members to try and pick up the slack in terms of earnings and revenue. Selen's terrible spending habits allowed everyone else the option of saving their money instead of spending it all on projects because she was singlehandedly boosting their reputation among artists and other creators via giving them money. But no one is willing to become the next Selen or Pomu. No one wants to go to Antarctica or shoot a rocket into space, no one wants to spend thousands of their cash and hours of their time organizing events like Selen was. But without those things, Niji EN has been reduced to looking like a bunch of lazy coasting fucks. Not to mention any previous long term commission obligations they probably had before the termination. They're making less money now and are being forced into a position to either spend it for company success or save it and look like a lazy cheapskate. If Lazulight and Obsydia's anniversaries are anything to go by, it's clear what they're choosing. And they're right: who wants to spend 200,000 dollars on projects?

But Selen did it, and it makes everyone else look like clowns by comparison.

>>82439776
enna deserves to eat good food everyday, shes a goddess and the best niji en member right now.

>>82434059
I almost forgot how much that paper destroyed Enna's reputation.

>>82440222
Not to mention the major financial risk of spending thousands or tens of thousands of dollars of their own money to make something cool happen, only for management to revoke perms at the last possible minute simply because they can. Last Cup Of Coffee cost Selen $15k, none of which could be refunded; and the others are less willing and/or less able than Selen to drop that much lucre on a project, especially if they can get punished for merely wanting to do that project.

>>82411431
Heh

>>82447190
I think the more important thing is that even if they invest, they won’t get anything out of it. They have to lose money to make people care again because Selen’s projects were something people took for granted. It became the standard, the “bare minimum” because Niji EN fans used to be able to say “well, at least that one event from Selen is coming up” no matter how little was going on. One member had to be spending Selen-tier money for the branch to remain interesting from the average outsider’s perspectives. Without that, someone else has to take the loss. And no one’s gonna do it. No one wants to do it. So suffer they shall.

>>82450921
I have had a theory for a long time that Niji livers are (deliberately, as a corporate strategy) split into two groups: Pomus and Finanas.
The Pomus' job is to generate money, the way you would expect a vtuber to do. They produce content and develop a fanbase. In doing so, they produce more value for the company than they take in terms of support required. The cost/value ratio is skewed in favor of the company when you manage to hire a Pomu.
But the inverse is also true, the cost/value ratio is skewed against the Pomu in this situation, so why would a rational-acting vtuber work for the company when they take more than they give? This is where the Finana streamer comes into play. The Finana's job is the exact opposite: to be a bad streamer. Finanas do not generate a new audience or create excitement, they actually have negative value when you consider the opportunity cost of adding them to your roster instead of anyone else. A vtuber agency consisting only of Finanas would hemorrhage money at unfathomable rates.
Finana-like streamers are important to the ecosystem because they serve as marketing to *other potential vtubers*. The point is for current indies to look at them and say "Wow, someone THIS boring and THIS lazy can get thousands of viewers in Nijisanji, it must be the golden ticket!". This gives Niji a wider pool of potential Pomus (and potential Finanas) to recruit for future waves, and helps feed the idea to existing livers that Anycolor is essential to their audience.
NijiEN's problem isn't that they have lost too many livers, it's that almost every liver they have lost is a Pomu, and all the ones who stayed are Finanas. The equilibrium is completely out of wack. No new energy is being added to the company, like an ecosystem with no plants, where all that's left are scavengers eating each other's corpses.

>>82451518
That's an insane theory (in more ways than one), but also a rather interesting one.
Out of curiosity, do you think that NijiEN has ANY "Pomus" left, or are you being literal when you say that "all the ones who stayed are Finanas"?

>>82411431
Aged like wine.

>>82411431
AAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

>>82411431

>>82451518
The Pomu Principle

>>82440222
Every fun event that I thought was Nijisanji's was actually Selen's personal projects. There is basically nothing to rally around without her.

>>82411431
IDK why but she always reminds of of gollum

>>82411431
Look at this loser

>>82453834
NTA realistically the only ones who seemed willing to plan an event would be Doppio or maybe (BIG maybe) with Rose.

>>82411431
ewwlira tried to drag her and millie down and failed lmao who’s the one still getting deserved hate on an amongus stream

>>82411431
>her side hoe graduates
Maybe you should have kept your mouth shut