/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>82397950
Why aren't you a holo then?

>>82397950
ook

>>82397972
Because I'm not a woman living on easy mode

>>82397950
>you have the EASIEST job in the fucking world with higher salary than doctors
And she will still have that and her exact same fanbase as an indy. Shit thread.

>>82397950
Maybe it isn't as easy and fun as you think it is.
Hololive is a lot bigger now, Cover is a lot bigger now. That usually means more corpo autism and office politics that trickle down to you even though you aren't directly involved)

Her choice is definitely a big one. And I respect that kind of courage, to go the way you think is right. It makes me realize how much she has grown as a person over the years.

>>82397950
She has an especially low IQ for a woman, so her woman moments will be spectacularly bad.

>>82397950
You have no idea what is is she wanted and you likely won't know until she returns a day later with an alt. Hololive doesn't have what a lot of its members want. Vtubing and the Hololive brand are completely different things and Aqua has been a weird member on the sideline for most of her time at the company by now with her glory days in the long-distant past. She has nowhere to go but down by staying with them.

>>82397950
>THROW IT AWAY LIKE NOTHING
She's been at it for SIX YEARS. That's a ridiculous lifespan for any content creator. It's literally been her entire adult life up to this point.
> Indies would LITERALLY KILL to have your job
When she joined, hololive wasn't even comparable to NND indie-tier in size. She was one of the early pillars that literally built the foundations coveted by indies today.
Let the girl do what she wants, man. She's not disappearing from existence or leaving on bad terms. She could easily become a Holo-adjacent character like Ui if she feels like it since literally everyone in the company loves her and she's best friends (actual) with some of their still current biggest players.

>>82397950
Only SEA nijisisters type like this.

>>82398040
You have internet access and out of every fucking things you can do you go to 4chan and shit the catalog. You are living on easy mode, cunt!

>>82398097
Nobody will give a shit about her without the dorito

>>82397950
Goes to show just how much of a headache it is to pander to lonely schizo incels. Eventually dealing with those types that stalk you and go crazy if you even look at a male just isn't worth the deterioration of your mental health.

Hololive Defence Force is having a hard shift today defending their black company.

>>82397950
Its said that the monks who spend all their life trying to reach enlightment and who provide guidance for others rarely reach enlightment themselves.

Its more often the people who have had all the wealth in the world and all the successes they could handle who then say. now what, who are ultimately able to let go and actually reach enlightenment

she has reached the top, her desires no longer align with yours as you struggle through existence.

>>82398040
If you're a man you have everything handed to you on a silver platter. If you're using 4chan and shitposting, you're choosing to be a victim.

>>82398213
>He still thinks it's about le evil schizo incels
Go away normalfaggot.
I bet you still think she decided to leave because she hates idol stuffs and just want to game or something.

>>82398179
You have just activated a karmic prophecy that will prove your statement false. With this post, this fate has been irreversibly set in motion.

>>82398252
Yeah, just like how Coco, Rushia, Sana, Mel, and Aloe are all still successful without the blue dorito!

>>82398234
Is this "Hololive Defence Force" in the room with us?

>>82398179
If Mano fucking Aloe of all people can still make it then Aqua will have no problems.
>but she's not getting 8 gorrillion ccv and being made President of Japan!
She's still making more than you ever will.

>>82398276
All of them are successful.

>>82398276
...yes? even fucking mikeneko is making $4000 avg. a stream.

>>82397972
Just because a job is easy doesn't mean that everyone can do it. Selling your feetpics on onlyfans is easy money, but nobody wants my hairy-ass toes.

>>82398276
Anon?
They are.
Even notRushia still gets thousands of retards flocking to her dumping hundreds of thousands of yen at her feet.

Yes, none of them are AS big as they were in holo, but saying they're unsuccessful is just being disingenuous.

>>82398244
I assure you whatever easy mode you think men have pales in comparison to women being able to make loads of money selling feet pics on the internet.

>>82397950
will she dare to collab with mikeneko?

>>82398311
Yes, OP is literally on my monitor rn

>>82398381
Especially when they don't even need to be as big as they were in Holo to make more money than back then now that they only have to split stream revenue with Google and get the full profits for merch and stuff.

>watches vtuber
>suddenly knows everything about how the industry works

People like OP will be brought down to their knees the moment they're being told to fill in a game perms form down to its durations everytime they want to stream a game that has no blanket perms or being told to write a decent project proposal.

>>82398276
The only one on that list who isn't successful is Michael, and she's still a big earner financially, she's just a walking fucking disaster in every other regard.

>>82397950
you write like a woman

>>82398276
who's NotMel and NotSana?

>>82398541
notMel is Rica who just passed 500k subs on youtube, and Sana is some big name illustrator for gacha games. I forgot her name.

>>82398589
Namie

>>82398589
>Rica
What's the ratio, of her oversea viewers in her channel? among the 500k

>>82397950
>woman gets set for life
>proceeds to live that life

>>82398390
Blame men for buying them, then.

>>82398244
>If you're a man you have everything handed to you on a silver platter
The only thing that was ever handed to me was child rape, what the fuck are you going on about you spastic harpy?

>>82398657
She doesn't need to graduate even if she doesn't want to be a streamer anymore. See Ayame, Shion, or Gura.
Cover can still use her name for merch or whatever and she'll still get passive income. Give me 1 reason to graduate from hololive.

>>82398707
Absolutely but that has nothing to do with the fact that women live life on easy mode.

OP sounds more and more like a Holostars reject the longer this thread goes

>>82397950
You think babysitting a bunch of incels who tracks your every movement to unsubscribe in the event they collab with men is easy? Pretending to be something you're not for a pay check is easy? Dealing with backpains due to countless hours of sitting in some gaming chair pretending to be nice to people like you is easy?
Is not at some point when you do the exact same shit repeatedly for 6 fucking years shit starts to become boring. In the case of Aqua she's been doing it for 6 years made tons of fucking money and is set for life there's nothing else for her to do and the fact it was creative differences that led her to quit says she tried to change her content but cover told her no. Here's the thing about vtubers this is not something you'll do until the day you die or is no longer popular this is something you do to make as much possible then get out and do other things like finishing school for that dream job or simply living life to the fullest around love ones. It is what it is nothing is forever except death and taxes.

>>82398148
>She could easily become a Holo-adjacent character like Ui
I'm very intrigued with how this might play out. Mano obviously has Holo-trauma so understandable that she keeps far away from them, Coco started fleshtubing and felt a certain way about the Taiwan stuff so understandable they had no crossover there, Sana never reincarnated, and the rest were terminated. Aqua (assuming she doesn't go in a wild new direction like irl idol stuff or something) would be the first real opportunity for something like this. Would they acknowledge it? Would they even allow it, or would the idea get middle-managed to oblivion? Would they crack down on people talking about it? What happens when the first Holo accidentally calls her Akutan?

>>82398718
You still want to be a streamer but the restrictions in place to keep a company as big as hololive safe from imploding or initiating the Holocaust 2.0 are too limiting for the sort of content you want to make? As in pretty much what she and everyone else said in her announcement?

>>82398276
Kson is pretty much immortalized in her favorite game. She just can't buy another 9k bed.

>>82398779
>Coco started fleshtubing
no she didn't, dumb monkey
she never stopped

>>82398541
NotSana was big before Hololive, that's why she never cared. She didn't get bigger because of Hololive since she's not a vtuber. Ina wouldn't get bigger if she graduated either. They are artists, several Holos would not be vtubers outside of Hololive and their side-accounts are in different industries.

>>82398789
So is she set for life or not?

>>82398771
>backpains due to countless hours of sitting in some gaming chair
This is for everyone in this thread, no exception : Get a fucking ergo chair if you plan to sit in a long session! It starts from like $600 and your back will thank you.

>>82398718
Self respect

>>82398800
yes she can
she spent 50k on fixing a burn scar on her leg last year

>>82398779
Catalog retard. Why the fuck would cover allow graduated talents to still interact with the hololive talents. Then all the big talent could just graduate not deal with the cuts cover takes and then still get the collab boost.

>>82398779
Up until kson joined VShojo, the holos were pretty freely talking about hanging out with her regularly. "Friend C" was a pretty big chunk of Kanata's zatsu content for a while, so I don't think they have a problem with people talking about alums. Now as of yet we haven't seen a proper alum x holo collab, so I don't know if those are actually blocked or if it's just the circumstances of the previous cases that have made them just unlikely to happen. We'll see I guess.

>>82398820
People still falling for the "gaming chair" scam in 2024 makes me sad

>>82397950
Bootlicker.

>>82397950
Ever hear about Wall Street stockbrokers ‘retiring’ at age 30? Burnout is real and endemic in the global job market

>>82398871
>why would Hololive let their girls interact with Shigure Ui when they could just use one of their own talents and make more profit instead it'll never happen trust me bro
Shut the fuck up you insipid cunt.

>>82397950
She probably looks at her bank statement and realizes she only gets a small cut from her oil baron's hardearned money because of Kurolive

She won.
She's gonna be Indie.
She's not gonna force herself to dance for prerecording shit anymore.
She's not gonna force to collab with Pekora anymore who ignored her for 3years.
Her oil barons are happy with it.
She won.
hashtag kurolive

>>82398968
Holy you are so fucking dumb.

>>82397950
>The Easiest job
>"""She""" still thinks that Hololive is just streaming gamus.

She literally left because she wanted to focus on streaming Apex but Hololive want to focus on social events and idol activities which sure as fuck is quite a difficult job. Imagine for hours roleplaying as atustic maid while dancing, singing, smiling and before every event like this spending weeks of training and preparation. Bonus points for most Holomems being much older than your typical idol. Most idols are already enjoying retirement in their late 20s.

>>82398829 ?me?
She's also incredibly young and had no idea this would just be her life
I don't blame her if she had grievances with management or if she just wanted out
The fact most people talking about it seem perplexed and don't really understand is very aqua

>>82398817
You can be set for life and still want to stream without having corporate restrictions. How is this hard to understand as a concept?

>>82398989
Great comeback, retard.

>>82398871
>Why the fuck would cover allow graduated talents to still interact with the hololive talents
Please never search the NotCoco-NotMel-NotChoco Apex collab for the sake of your arguement's integrity

>>82398991
Why do EOPs keep saying Aqua hates idol stuffs? Do they not watch Aqua and just parrot whatever they heard from their fellow EOPs?

>>82398148
I won’t hold my breath on Holo-adjacency. So far Cover is 0 for 4 in allowing past female talents to do anything directly and Haachama only slipped a recorded short video thru by hiding it from her management and then got her hand slapped and lectured afterwards

>>82398885
Right but Friend C isn't Kson, and she was specifically Friend C, not Coco either. Like I'm sure after she graduates the girls will talk about hanging out with Aqua still and meeting her for lunch or whatever, but that's very different from her being there.

>>82399060
Yes because cover dictates what hololive talent can do on their PL's ...
I hope hololive never finds out what notNoel is up to on her PL

>>82399064
She's not hating it. Definitively she loves idol stuff and it's clear due to her past activities at Hololive.
...But also loves competitive shooters and she and Marine literally spelled out what happened so lol? Seems that Cover wants to focus even more on idol activities but that will give Aqua even less time and energy for other stuff she enjoys.

NGL it's funny seeing all the nonstop bait over the years of
>Ooooo the holos are going to collab with twitch streamers! It's a matter of time!
>Ooooo the holos are going to collab with male idols! It's a matter of time!
>Ooooo the holos are going to collab with your most hated indies and vtuber small corpos! It's a matter of time!

But when it comes to
>Ooooo the holos are going to collab with ex-holos! It's a matter -
NO NO NO THAT'LL NEVER HAPPEN IT'LL MAKE TOO MANY PEOPLE HAPPY NO DON'T EVEN THINK IT

>>82399135
>cover dictates what hololive talent can do on their PL
Sister, your color is showing

>>82398415
Unlikely, even Rica unfollowed Mikeneko

>>82399181
what?

>>82399060
Not that anon (and that anon is retarded) but NotChoco is, as the name implies, not Choco. She's not Hololive. Same as how NotMori can do a collab with Kson but Mori cannot. These are different things.

>>82398415
Michael used to be toxic, now she's fucking radioactive

>>82399064
Why do you keep taking things at facevalue?
All of the bait spamming retards are crying about the same shit as always on the catalytic g, only that their favourite topic of hate now also graduated Aqua

>>82398244
Maybe stop raping children then, you sick fuck?

>>82398707
I blame the conman, not just the con, and so should you, because you know the con-artist is aware of what they do

>>82399086
Aqua will 100% show up again after August 2024 I am not coping and it will just be Aqua straight up.

>>82398415
Everybody avoids Mikeneko. She's walking yab factory set on fire.
The harassment and abuse accusation, suicide baiting, fucking Rushia cosplay... It's obvious that her current mental state is beyond saving but she's too stubborn to get help so we will see her going down in few month, maybe years.

Sure cover will allow aqua to still play with the hololive talents on stream while not getting any of the money aqua makes. You guys are right I was wrong sorry.

>>82397950
Oh come on, like you've never self-sabotaged before, you little special snowflake.

>>82397950
You can't even flipped the burgers correctly, stfu faggot

>>82398718
In simple terms, she wants to do what she was able to do in 2019
2024 Hololive does not allow her to do 2019 or adds so many bureaucratic hurdles to do things that it has taken a mental toll on her and her patience has ran out

>>82399311
Okay so what was it that she was able to do in 2019 but she couldn't do it now?

>>82397972
Retard unless if you're a woman, even someone who is boring like kronii can make the money easily

>>82399086
wait, what happened with haachama?

>>82399332
stream something without asking 12 people in suits.

>>82399161
>Marine literally spelled out what happened
Timestamp or clip of whatever you're talking about?

>>82399336
But OP is a woman

>>82398276
You're all treating this post like he was being sarcastic, but maybe the actual answer is just that he was being sincere here; it makes more sense than specifically calling out five names to be wrong about.

>>82397950
>Millions of fans that love you unconditionally
You sound like you're obsessed with her, or rather her persona and character she puts on for streams. You know they are pretending to like you and just want money, right?

>>82399353
So you think Pekora needs to ask 12 people in suits everyday to stream? And she managed to do it but not Aqua?

>>82399421
hyperbole

>>82398820
Can confirm, my old generic office chair I was using was starting to give me lower back problems so I got a Steelcase for 1200 dollars. Best health investment I ever made

>>82399397
Nobody who ends a statement with an exclamation mark is being sincere unless if it's in a Sherlock Holmes novel.

>>82398885
Closest we ever got to a collab was Haschama’s clandestine short video she provided Kson by bypassing management and she got in trouble for it. I don’t see any chance of collabs until something fundamental changes in Cover

>>82399455
The hyperbole doesn't matter.
Somehow you think this is a problem for Aqua even though every other holos can do it just fine to stream everyday?

>>82399421
Pekora's manager has to ask 12 people in suits. All the shitty Holos have bad managers and when a good Holo gets a bad manager, they put up with in the short-term, knowing the manager will be replaced in the end because the talent is the actual asset.

>>82397950

>>82399538
Cover allowing collabs with ex-talents would pretty much defeat the entire premise of Hololive being a thing. It's also weird, nobody wants it but mentally ill weirdos on forums. If they are actual friends, they collab as actual friends. And while some ex-Holos may be desperate enough to want to more directly leech off Hololive, they kinda already have and aren't likely to get good-quality new fans from more crossover.

>>82399723
Are you telling me that Koyori, Watame, Miko, Subaru, Aki, etc all had good managers while our poor Aqua is the only one who doesn't have a good manager and has to ask the people in suits by herself???

>>82399565
It can be incremental things that, individually are small grievances, but add up until you prefer to just wash your hands of it altogether. Corporations change over time, not necessarily for better or worse but not everyone will have the same reception to those changes. Could be the case for Aqua where she's reached the point where the differences are too much for her to reconcile with, just because no one else seemingly has the issue (in fact plenty do and voice out their complaints on stream too) doesn't make it any less of a valid choice for her to make.

>>82399565
Nigger other Holos have complained about this exact thing so pretending it isn't an issue for anyone else is just outright lying.

>>82399347
She sent in a congratulatory video to Kson's 3D Anniversary Live, she completely bypassed her management since she knew it would be nixxed. So when it got found out she got reprimanded over it hard and has never repeated it since.

>>82399943
No, she's the only one who's too young to think in the long-term and wants a change of pace. If you actually listen to all the Holos who want to stay, they never imply anywhere that the job is without problems but that for the long-term this is the only place they will ever be this happy and successful.

>>82399791
>Cover allowing collabs with ex-talents would pretty much defeat the entire premise of Hololive being a thing
This is schizobabble.

>>82398179
This is a retarded take. She will be sitting on 15k+ viewers after the buff fades as long as she's playing video games. Everyone wants to see Aqua's gameplay.

>>82400130 (me)
Timestamp for the short message
This is the closest we have gotten and may ever get to Holo-adjacency with former talents
https://youtu.be/VrvbLKLyGkU?t=2645

>>82399421
Pekora hasn't reached her breaking point threshold on tolerating bureaucratic bullshit
Aqua reached hers sooner, has had enough and called it quits

>>82397950
Option A:
>She is getting married or will have a kid and she is not Rushia so she doesn't want to lie to her fans
Option B:
>She is a millionaire. She just wants to retire

>>82399791
The most interesting thing to me that will come from all this will they won't they in the years to come is getting answers on who were the real friends with one another and keep in touch after Hololive and who were merely coworkers with one another and don't acknowledge each other afterwards.

>>82399977
>It can be incremental things that, individually are small grievances, but add up until you prefer to just wash your hands of it altogether
Better known as Death by a Thousand Paper Cuts

>>82398276
They all got and get a shitload of money without having to give any % share except maybe Kson with Vshojo

>>82400284
I think 15k is a stretch. Gravity has dragged down all former talents and while Aqua is the biggest to depart by far I don't think even she will be fully immune
Kson and Rica are pulling in 1k-2k
Mikeneko gets drama buffs and apparently botting but is usually below 5k
Delutaya is usually below 1k
Aqua will not break 10k once her redebut buff fades, she may stay above 5k but no way will she be at 15k.nyvmn

>>82400150
One of the privileges humanity has, is the ability to make our own decisions and mistakes as well as the capacity to learn from them. Perhaps it could very well be a mistake to not ride it out as long as you could, but what if you've already achieved financial independence and are content with your lifestyle? Not exactly hard to believe that both could be true in her case, and she just wants to coast and do whatever she likes here on out.

>>82397950
Regardless how much money I was making, I would quit too if my boss told me to suck investors cocks

>>82400598
Or a thousand perms form

>>82398808
But Ina did vtubing before Holo.
On a much smaller scale of course. But she did do it. There's still some clips on yt.

>>82400284
>Everyone wants to see Aqua's gameplay.
Yeah they want to see Aqua, not her rm

>>82400695
vshojo does not take a cut from streaming income

>>82397950
>CHOSE to graduate
Others are simply unable to graduate before paying off all Cover's loans
>higher salary than doctors
I highly doubt that doctors earn less than 360$
>You have million of fans that love you unconditionally
Bots can't feel love, anons. They are just ones and zeroes inside a server.
>Indies would LITERALLY KILL to have your job
Only 2view indies would

>>82399332
Doing sololives by renting a studio herself.
More freedom for songs covers (aqua was a utaite before) and faster original songs production.
More freedom about picking games, about MAKING games, merch and shit.

Cover is clearly struggling about the expansion of scope and content, they became slow and rigid.
Is baffling how the big state of the art studio is producing LESS 3d content than when they just rented around.
I can understand getting anal about perms and rules as a big international company, but they need to optimize and adapt fast before more talent get tired to wait.

This is a big problem.

>>82397950
What a dumb question, you must be from /#/

>>82400700
Those comparisons are pretty meaningless, especially Delutaya. Her and Rica weren't even playing the same game as Aqua, let alone close to being in the same ball-park. Michael is the smoldering remains of a blown nuclear reactor, and Kson might as well be in a whole other genre at this point, the ghost of Coco left that building a long time ago. Aqua built her brand from the ground-up while Holo was still scrambling to figure out what the hell they were, she conquered China in that time, and has consistently been top 10 from the start. Hololive didn't do that, she did that.

>>82401368
you have never watched coco or kson, bug

>>82397950
Once you realize that she probably got married and wants to start a family it begins to make sense. Added in with the fact that she's been doing this job for 6 fucking years already.

>>82401405
Denial of the truth doesn't change it, faggot. If Coco fans still cared about Kson she would be getting much higher views than she does. Go scream at her numbers.

>>82399456
and you can find them refurbed for half of that on amazon. worth the money. don't fall for the aeron meme.

>>82397950
fucking retard

>>82401512
ping pong ping ling to you too

>>82401368
Regardless, gravity still exists and she won't be Aqua she will be 'Aqua' and there will be a notable drop just like there always is.

>>82401536
>aeron meme
I didn't get a Herman Miller, I got a Steelcase

>>82397950
Because women, even japanese ones aren't immune to have a rush of shit to the brain.

>>82397950
You're missing an important factor, she's done this for a long time now. With smart investing she has more than enough money now to retire young and never fucking work again. Not everyone wants to be filthy rich and work for a living, for some the ability to just do whatever strikes your fancy and never worry about work or money while living a normal sized life sounds like heaven.

>>82401868
Noone's saying she'll starve anon. Elon Musk and Bezos still work and they're the richest men on earth.
She obviously got hurt somehow and felt betrayed. She wouldn't cry during the message stream otherwise.
Whether she jumped the gun on impulse or it was a long time coming remains to be seen.

>>82397950
>easiest job
doesn't know administrative work in the backend

Nigger.

>>82402112
I mean it's entirely possible she just doesn't want to quit, but the things she wants to do outweigh her desire to vtube. Maybe she wants to get married and/or start a family and they said she can't do that and be a holo, meaning if she wants it she has to quit. Just an example of course, it could be any number of things. I'm not trying to spread rumors or anything.

>>82402205
I don't want to get into this territory, but that has never been a problem for other holo members as long as they keep it private.

>>82402164
Underage dickhead

>>82402164
I remember watching AVGN going into excruciating detail on what all was involved in making each of his video episodes and god damn it sounds so much a pain in the ass nowadays. Things were alot simpler when you just turned on the record button and talked shit back in 2008. So much post-production bullshit and behind the scenes stuff these days

>>82402164
Retard

>>82402374
>Things were alot simpler when you just turned on the record button and talked shit back in 2008
That type of thing still does well kind of, even though there is definitely more work behind the scenes nowadays

>>82398244
>If you're a man you have everything handed to you on a silver platter
Jmagine being a grown adult and actually believing in this. What an absolute delusion

>>82399212
>Same as how NotMori can do a collab with Kson but Mori cannot. These are different things.
Let me get this straight. Mori can join a Vshojo talkshow and chat with Ironmouse or Henya or whoever else all she wants, but Kson who's in that same Vshojo is off limits?
How does that make any sense?

>>82399565
This is like saying "But Selen was the only one with perms issues in NijiEN, everyone else seems okay with it!".
Suisei already said she doesn't give a fuck so it doesn't affect her as much, but Aqua's problems didn't seem to have a solution other than graduating

>>82398718
It means that she doesn't need to be emotional prostitute to the hopeless fucks like you

>>82398961
To be fair being a stockbroker destroys you mentally and everything else in your life, while you can get away streaming 1 hour every other week in hololive

>>82402164
I do content creation for a living. This shit is easy mode compared to what I had to do before.

>>82403509
You'd have to ask management why, but that's exactly what happened.

>>82400284
>This is a idiotic take. She will be sitting on 15k+ viewers
notAqua is not reaching Ui levels, especially if she can't collab with previous Holomems.
The biggest reason anyone is a fan of Hololive (or any corpo really) is the interactions between talents

Aqua should join VSPO to play more fps. She can take Towa with her too

>>82403869
The most important thing to Hololive fans is a blue dorito next to the talent's name. A collab between nu-aqua and rica will be the final evidence.

>>82402374
But when Mori said the same thing, this board had an ESL meltdown about it for 6 months

>>82403869
If she spam apex and still good at it, she can easily reach 1xk or 2xk view
And if somehow holo agree to towa suisei form the new starend with notaqua, its might explode

>>82404402
Mel was never exactly a viewer magnet even in Hololive. Her ASMRs were the only thing that did well.

>>82404402
evidence of what exactly?

>>82398179
Kek? Holoslop is the new kurosanji

>>82404426
The difference between mori and the nerd is that nerd was probably a lot of anon child hood I discovered James when I was like 14 now I'm 34. It's not even remotely the same thing plus James isn't a Japan virtual idol.

>>82398234
Yatta!

>>82404402
>nu-aqua
link?

>>82403784
Might have something to do with notmori technically signed to another company and Cover not wanting to get into a legal slap fight over that.

That said, it's crazy that Kanata got treated like she was in the witness protection program over that shit and Mori didn't even get a stern talking to at the height of that whole situation.

>>82404402
Nah, Mel was low profile. A collab between not towa, not suisei and not aqua will get 100k ccv.

>>82397950
>ITT: Americans not understanding there is more in life than money

>>82399269
But you do realize the conman wouldn't have any power if the buyer wasn't a complete retard.

I'm pretty sure that Cover wants to expand Aqua's activities and she doesn't want to because she wants to play games and sometimes do idol stuff.

>>82398276
The only one of those five who has not been a successful vtuber or streamer since leaving Holo is Sana, and even that's solely because she chose not to go down that career path. She's still a wildly successful artist, even having an art exhibition specifically for her works.
The others are still successful vtubers, and three of them are successful indie vtubers. Coco also had a successful year and one day as an indie vtuber, until foregoing the "indie" part by officially joining Vshojo.

>>82404900
It makes complete sense from the company's point of view. If they allowed it it would be an existential crisis for Hololive as the organization.

There are two values Holo provides.
One is the publicity of the holobox.
The second is their funding for projects.
If they allowed holos to collab with ex holos, they are giving them the first part with zero return. It is entirely the company's self preservation interest to not allow it. Unless Cover does a major pivot in what value the company provides, they won't change that.

>>82404911
Aqua can have her life AND still has passive income

>>82404402
So collabs with other Hololmems, got it
>>82404500
How good was she at Apex for you to say that? Was she a god at it or something? Because even if she's VSPO tier they don't all have 15k+ streams to my knowledge

>>82405356
>If they allowed holos to collab with ex holos, they are giving them the first part with zero return.
Same applies for collabs with non-Holos yet they still do those.

>>82398097
nobody gives a fuck once you leave hololive. see: everyone who has left hololive

>>82405224
>Cover wants to expand Aqua's activities and she doesn't want to...idol stuff
This is the strangest take because talents are allowed to go on breaks lasting several months at a time. Unless you're saying participating in certain events is mandatory (i haven't really seen evidence of that) there's no way she couldn't just go "I don't feel like it" and getting out of doing it just like that.
It has to be something far more fundamental like Kronii's complaints about having to play 90% of her favorite games off stream because they don't have perms or contracts updated to require some minimum X amount of appearances/sponsors/events which was too much on top of the streaming stuff

>>82398771
>babysitting a bunch of incels who tracks your every movement to unsubscribe in the event they collab with men is easy
it's easy if you are not a whore
>Pretending to be something you're not for a pay check is easy?
you don't have to pretend, being genuine is better in the long run, people want to watch someone unique but relatable, not a cookie-cutter anime character
>Dealing with backpains due to countless hours of sitting in some gaming chair
skill issue, get a better chair, be more active when you're not streaming
>pretending to be nice to people like you
just be nice, again, you don't need to pretend

>>82397950
When you are rich, you can afford being picky. Not everybody is greedy like Gura.

>>82405671
>appearances/sponsors/events
This is what I'm talking about. Maybe they wanted a push on this thing like Suisei is doing for Aqua but she really does not want to.

I'm not talking about breaks and stuff. Like damn a lot of the JPs are taking breaks like months right now.

>>82405454
>Same applies for collabs with non-Holos yet they still do those.
I need you to use your brain for a second:
>Hololive takes an massive cut of your total income
>You graduate
>You have the same collabs, banter etc as you did before you graduate
>You now keep all of your fans and money
>Other members see this
>They graduate too and do the same
>Hololive is now just a stepping stone for your favourite streamers to incline then promptly fuck off and become rich Indies

>>82405447
She far more famous than any of vspo streamer, and i dont know much about apex tier but everyone agree that aqua pretty good

>Joins Hololive
>Ha! Ez life!! I can finally stream games and talk to my oshi and earn money!!
>Immediate paperworks for legal reasons
>Filling out game perms forms
>Waits for a few weeks before perms drops
>Meetings for quarterly content direction
>Mandatory project proposals
>Dance lessons
>Vocal lessons
>Meetings for future merch ideas
>Still has no perms for that game you asked
>Plays something else you don't really like and sucked at but it has blanket perms
>Audience loved it
>You now feel obligated to continue playing that game
>Collab ban ends
>You immediately reach for your oshi but no answer from her
>Another vocal lessons
>Another dance lessons
>Channel finally got monetized
>Have to fill in paperworks for that
>OMFG I have no time to play at all for this week
>Sacrifices sleep, streams that game you don't really like playing at midnight
>Before you know it it's October
>Obligatory Halloween album
>Yet another vocal lessons
>Yet another dance lessons 2.0
>Recording sessions
>Merch approved, you now have to QA its entire process
>Got a NO for that game perms you asked
>Continue playing that game you don't really like cause you have stockholm syndrome now
>Discord pings, emergency meeting
>Someone fucked up and accidentally overwritten your vocal data so you have to do retake for the recording.
>Also manufacturer suddenly unable to grant production for your merch, so you have to rethink another merch from scratch.
>Someone who's not your oshi reaches you for a travel offcollab
>Travels for a few days, unable to stream
>Legs dying but you have dance lessons tomorrow
>Calls manager to move the schedule
>Moved the dance lesson to next wee, assigns you vocal lessons instead for that day
>Perms for the game you really want to play suddenly got an OK but you have to fill out more perms each time you want to stream it
>Discord ping
>Meetings for the next Holofes
>Another mandatory project proposals
>Finally gets to play the game you've been wanting to play on stream
>Audience visibly unimpressed, you now feel conflicted
>Halloween album released, audience loved your singing and wants to hear more from you
>Gets assigned another vocal lessons
>You say no, you want your game time
>Alright, but it's inevitable, you have to take vocal lessons eventually the day after tomorrow
>Can't focus on playing games, many stuffs weighing on the back of your head
>And that's just the first two months

>>82405851
>I need you to jump through a bunch of hoops I just made up and have zero basis for
No.

>>82405447
if i remember right, her apex stream can easily reach 4xk view, and if its a tournament, 6x or 8x

>>82405957
I accept your concession.

>>82406042
Kill yourself.

>>82405950
literally first-world problems kek

>>82404500
I dont think its ever happening, holo has never collabed with Kson despite parting on very friendly terms.
There may be some retarded rules against collabing with a former holo, atleast Mel got to collab with Aloe recently.

>>82405950
I unironically read through all of those and they still sound easy compared to real jobs

>>82406226
>There may be some retarded rules against collabing with a former holo
>holo has never collabed with Kson
>atleast Mel got to collab with Aloe recently
Be consistent with your narratives!

>>82404426
Difference being that Mori has a full corpo team to do everything for her and all she needs to do is stream/perform while AVGN is doing it himself.

>>82405950
>>Plays something else you don't really like
bro
Aqua always plays Apex shit and Ark

>>82405447
They don't all have 15k+ CCV regularly but they have solid numbers and they're the third biggest agency in Japan.
Aqua at her prime would be skill-wise one of the best at APEX even in VSPO.
I don't think that Aqua will be interested in joining VSPO because I think she wants to mainly be able to do idol stuff and there are better options for that. However, if she were to debut in VSPO, she could easily have at least 10k+ regularly if not more and she could do music and lives too, though probably not as much as somewhere else.

>>82404500
If she spam apex, she will just be another girl fps streamer. She is not breaking 10k you unironic retard

>>82405950
bohoo? Still sounds easier than 99.9% of jobs.

>>82406530
It doesn't have to be Aqua, his can happen to someone else. For example : Being forced to shill HoloEarth's gameplay, you tell me if there are any talents or audience who genuinely loved it.

>>82406647
Are you getting what you want though?
Yes? Then stay!
No? Then suck it up! It's easier than 99.9% of jobs!

>>82406406
Mel got fired months ago anon.
The collab happened last week.

>>82406547
I'm just going to wait a few weeks for notAqua's redebut to get the full story, because opinions are fluctuating from "Aqua loves being an idol" to "Aqua hates being an idol"

>>82406406
Anon...Mel...

>>82405454
It's not the same with non holos.
It's one of their only points of leverage to keep them there at the end of the day.

>>82397950
This isn't a betrayal, the only betrayal would be by those who claim they love her but refuse to watch her because she no longer works for a specific company. A company that 2views might kill to join but succesful indies wouldn't even apply to. Support the girls, not the corporate entities that try to claim ownership of them.

>>82398244
Based

>>82406863
I don't get how Anons here don't understand that.
If you keep getting the same benefits, less perms autism and no cuts after you graduate a corpo, why would anyone bother to stay in the company after they've established themselves outside of maybe respect?

>>82407064
Cuz indie life is hard despite your revenue, any project is harder to do.
Look at kson, she didnt want to rejoin a corpo and in the end had ro bend the knee

>>82397950
You'll be absolutely shocked when you find out that she's joining Vshojo.

>>82405895
She is famous as Aqua
She will not have Aqua in whatever new form she moves onto
She will have the 'voice' and 'mannerisms' of Aqua, maybe, unless that was a whole RP she did.
There will be a novelty buff when she comes back but within a few months at least 50% of the audience will fuck off.
It ALWAYS happens, its like gravity and Thanos
It is inevitable.

>>82406830
>>82406853
Oh so when I said this >>82399060 that NotChoco, an active Holo, and NotMel, who was an active Holo, collabs with NotCoco, a former Holo, in Apex Legends, I got told that they're not Holo, they're just their respective PLs.
But then when that anon said Mel (NotMel) got to collab with Aloe (NotAloe) when both now are already former talents and just their respective PLs somehow they're considered "collabing with former Holos".
Please be consistent! Cause NotMori and NotChoco, both an active Holo, still can collab with NotCoco no issue.

>>82397950
>What the fuck is wrong with women???
They have Woman brain duh

>>82405950
wow, what a hard and miserable life, right

>>82407295
I mean, maybe streaming to 2-3k loyal audience members is enjoyable in its own sense.
It's still a lot of people though, just image them in a room. She will still be having the same interactive chat experience. Less money, maybe, but seems like she doesn't care about money at this point.

>>82407406

>>82407390
Why would roommate collabs even count.
Lots of holos talk about how they met with coco/kson here and there.
That still doesn't mean they are able to collab with them as vtubers as it has never happened before.

>>82397950
>"I am genuinely perplexed why a Holomem would finally get tired of their faggot ass unicorn fanbase and want to move on to be happy"
It is a mystery.

>>82398244
bait
>>82407010
bait

>>82398244
>If you're a man you have everything handed to you on a silver platter.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA WTF, this has to be bait

>>82407630
Don't reply to me, go reply to this guy >>82406226
I only asked him to be consistent. If people agreed to assume that former Holos don't count then the least he can do is not say "atleast Mel got to collab with Aloe recently" right after saying "holo has never collabed with Kson and there may be some retarded rules against collabing with a former holo" like it's a 1:1 comparison.

If she regrets the graduation later, do you think they'd let her back in?

>>82397950
i watched like one or two streams of this ho and she only plays kusoge like apex or minecraft. what's the appeal?

>>82406863
It really isn't. Guest featuring 5 times a year is very starkly different to being within the inner-circle doing multiple collabs a week if you so desire; this idea that it has to be all-or-nothing is made up. Furthermore the idea that Cover only offers collab opportunities and nothing else is nonsense, do you know how much a fully equipped mocap studio costs? Not just the equipment, but on-staff engineers to keep it maintained and operating as well as the whole ass production teams and the cost of space for it, all at the highest level available because they literally develop this shit themselves; no indy is capable of operating something like that without taking a massive loss. Not to mention their music industry connections and contracts for songs, videos, concerts, their connections for expos, events, endorsements, the same tech, engineers, and production teams on staff for above live shows, and so on.

Do you think Suisei is going to leave all that behind just if she can collab with Miko twice or thrice a year? Watame? Marine? Pekora? Aqua deciding that the negatives of bureaucracy outweigh the positives of the company doesn't mean everyone else agrees and is going to jump ship at the first sign of a safety net. Suisei could go indy tomorrow and still be a sensation on the brand she's already built even outside of vtubing, and she doesn't do it because Cover still has shit to offer that she wants,

>>82407630
Does tweeting it counts as collabing?
https://x.com/whatweneed8837/status/1459134049461571588

>>82407974
Because they did you fucking retard, he just called them Mel instead of Rica and Aloe instead of Triangle.
Theyre no longer affiliated with hololive, its an example that to collab with a former holo you cannot be afilliated with Holo you dense autistic retard.

>>82407256
It's not their ONLY leverage but one of the biggest.
There are holos who thrive in this environment because of all the resources and publicity they have available to them. See Suisei, Marine, Peko or any other holo wih musical career paths.
But if your holo doesn't have career goals in that direction there'd be nothing else keeping them there.

We don't need to kid ourselves, it is completely in the interest of the corporation and for their self preservation, not of the talent's.
But without it, they would never have the resources to support talents of the public career path. And they are one of the only vtuber corpos ones capable of supporting such talents with loftier goals.

>>82408370
>Not a single hololive vtuber

>>82398980
>She's not gonna force to collab with Pekora anymore who ignored her for 3years.
I do believe Pekora has been reformed though.

>>82398244
Only the top 10% of men are handed everything in a silver platter, meanwhile the top 60% of women get the same treatment in the west.
The bottom 80% of men are practically invisible to society.

>>82408540
>That's Korone's sub account

>>82397950
She made a bad judgement call for short term things, it's regrettable but it is what it is

>>82408523
If Aqua has any other goals in entertainment other than just streaming games, she might need to join a corpo.
Holo really should just allow some of the talents to quit the idol side and become streamers, just get a streamer branch

>>82398980
Yeah the hololive cut is insane.

>>82408523
This is just like KPOP groups all over again

>>82408305
I literally mentioned this
>>82405356
They have two core values they provide.
Holobox and large project resources.

If the talent in question does not have ambitions that they need the latter for, without the holobox leverage, there's nothing in them for staying.

Not every talent is a Suisei, a Marine, a Mori, a Watame.
In fact the majority of them are not. They are the exception to the rule.
If your oshi only wants to play silly games and do random shit, then there's nothing in it for them, except the holobox.

>Hiring a nobody with glass bones and paper skin

RUMAO RORU

>>82397950
Her fans will follow her anywhere she goes. Being an idol aint easy, you gotta exercise, get vocal lessons, dance practice 8 hours a day, go to events, and all that shit. She just wants to stream playing games and yapping about stuff she likes. Plan on seeing more mems leave as yagoo enforces more idol like activities and less game streamin. He's already takin Gura away from stream fans. She'll last another 2 years before she's had enough of that shit as well. Same with Ame, she's been vocal about idol homework and whatnot, and just wants to stream games. If yagoo were smart, he'd seperate hololive into true idol talents like Susie, Sora, and other girls that live for that shit, and the other side are those who focus more on streaming.

>>82408958
>They are the exception to the rule.
Anon the majority of Hololive were singers on NND before they joined and most of the rest still gush about idolshit. Even Korone, the comedy dog who spends most of her time playing games, will perfect an aerial flip for her performance of whacky retro songs. That's not phoning it in and going through the motions because the company is making you, that's passion for a craft. Even the literal whore idealises Shuba and wants to be an idol just like her. Even Aqua was more idol than streamer until recently where she picked things up ahead of the graduation. Maybe what you said is true in your EN bubble but JP girls know what idols are and knew what joining an idol company meant when they did it.

>>82408828
If she doesn't want to deal with corpo she can always hire her own manager(s) who work for her rather than her working for them. Sora may have been the talent that spawned it all but it never would have happened without A-chan.

I'm half-convinced she's leaving for a reason literally only she understands. Maybe some grifter sold her on bullshit.

>>82409903
Being an utaite and being a career singer are two entirely different things.
Being an internet idol and being a career idol are entirely different things.

And it's not about singing or dancing or gaming. That's entirely besides the point.
It's about professional publicity with all the corporate baggage that comes with it vs being an independent artist.

>>82403627
Perms don't affect Suisei because she rarely streams anyway
Plenty of other Holos have complained about perms and bureaucracy before but OP is the kind of person who calls everyone like that lazy whores so of course he ignores that this has been a mounting issue for some time
>but Pekora
Pekora has special privileges as THE face of Hololive, and even she has gotten stonewalled by management before. Most other people have to go through mountains of red tape and management bullshit.

>>82410703
My nigger they're fucking anime girls, they are not career singers or career idols, even Suisei and Watame don't even scratch the surface of that with what they do.
>professional publicity with all the corporate baggage that comes with
They can do whatever the hell they like away from the screen and can take 8 months off at a time to do it before returing for two weeks and then taking another 8 months off. Professional publicity is not talking about your boyfriend on a stream and... that's about it. This demanding idol life that they all hate and must escape from while Yagoo cracks his idol whip screaming, "Dance, my monkeys, dance!" is entirely a fabrication of your own mind.

shes probably rich and doesnt care

>>82397950
This is what peak falseflagging looks like.
Remember, shitposters are trying to spin a "holofags hate Aqua now" angle and are shitting up catalog for it. Shit on them like they deserve.

>>82399332
Stream vidya

>>82397950
The common man cannot understand the struggles of gods.

>>82407540
Oh I agree with you there fully, I just won't stand for these pie in the sky 'she will still have 15k viewers!'
But ya, she will still have a sizeable fanbase, especially for an indie, and it will be the core of the core of her fans. They will be loyal to a fault those that are there with her.

>>82398771
>Pretending to be something you're not for a pay check is easy? Dealing with backpains due to countless hours of sitting (...) pretending to be nice to people like you is easy?
Anon, that's literally what you do as a regular office worker.

>>82411158
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Imagine you're a streamer and every time you want to stream a new game you need to wait 2 months for some chucklefuck to send out and receive a signed written permission.
Imagine you have a funny new idea for a variety stream and you have to wait for managers to discuss all the possible yabs and come up with rules for your stream at which point the idea has been so castrated you lose all interest.
Imagine you thought of a cool project you could do with other holos but first you have to write a fucking project outline for them and then you send it in and one month later you still get no response and then you have to hound the staff in charge of the projects and he still didn't even read it. And then you schedule a 2 hour meeting of discussing your project outline where you didn't solve anything but they give you revisions for the project outline which you have to write again and send it in and maybe miraculously they approve it but 3 months later your manager comes to tell you that upper directors rejected funding your project and you wasted weeks of your life on it and don't have enough creative inspiration left to pursue it any longer.

>>82408043
No, that would be fucking retarded.

>>82412912
No reason for them not to unless she has a nuclear yab.

https://x.com/entergram_info/status/1821018432026104133
>Aquarium sequel cancelled

I will never forgive them.

>>82413252
maybe notaqua can restart it. the plot might allow it.

>>82412840
None of what you mentioned has anything to do with idol stuff you fucking schizo, every big corpo has/had those exact same problems, they're problems of expansion and bureaucratic management, nothing to do with any of the shit we've been talking about you goalpost swinging dick muncher. Learn to keep track of basic fucking conversation if you're going to waste my fucking time engaging you simple minded cunt.

>>82405950
They need to work to get paid? How horrible.

>>82405950
It's almost like Hololive made it clear for quite some time it's a Vtuber agency with FOCUS ON IDOL PRODUCTION.

>>82413404
And being an idol was never the fucking problem, you made that up yourself. It was always about big corporate problems.

>>82413647
The talents themselves been saying big corporate problems for like 3 years, but no one wants to listen because they don't want to admit the truth.
You would think that cali's persona begging arc would be enough blatant proof or vesper and magni dipping out.

>>82397950
She's rich, why keep working if you can live off of the money you have? Plus, she can just go indie and make more anyway.

>>82413961
No indie makes more than a holo.
A bigger cut of a smaller pie is still less pie.

>>82413647
>Being an utaite and being a career singer are two entirely different things.
>Being an internet idol and being a career idol are entirely different things.
>hurrrr I never mentioned idols bro
Fuck yourself with a shotgun.

I do expect that we are gonna start seeing a bit of a drip drip of graduations in the next few years as Cover gradually tightens the screws with further layers of bureaucratic corp red tape and they each reach their own thresholds of willing to deal with shit on the daily after so many years. The question will be whether Cover is able to space them out enough that it doesn't swamp them with an image of being a ship starting to sink. That and new gens to be shiny sparkly toys to distract fans from the depressing events.

>>82414085
You're a retard anonchama. Even in what you quoted, the problem I'm highlighting is the difference between having corporate jobs and being an independent artist. Whether it's an idol, an artist or a gamer doesn't fucking matter.

>>82414203
You are a liar. Kill yourself.

>>82397950
>is rich enough from six years of vtubing that she can retire without care
>retires
The only reason this looked weird to you fags because you fags never gets employed before

>>82397950
>easiest job
She let because that's exactly why - it was getting less easy.
This company used to be a bunch of anime girls doing funny game streams and singing occasionally.
Now it's doing a fuckload of concerts, voice recordings, dance practices and cameos, to name some.

MANY of them have repeated how tired they are in the past couple years and how much things have changed, and you can hear it in their voices how tired they are of this shit.
She's not going to be the only one going.
It sucks but it will happen.

>>82400130
This shit is why I hate Covers management.
Not even fucking Anycolor is this vile.
Chii-chan streamed with notBora and others after they left for example.
I wouldn't blame Haachama if she does leave. Both are shitty companies now. Absolutely shitty.
Haachama is one of the remaining talents I still watch actively, on that note. Give her particular love of pickles recently, I honestly hope she is considering leaving, leaving before shit hits the fan.
She already got a few great covers and 2 wonderful videos under her.

>>82414994
Nijinigger

>>82398040
Join Homostars and even if you don’t make as much they will literally treat you better for doing less. Male privilege baby

>>82397950
>Indies
lol who cares

>>82397950
idk of aqua would have the same success, but kson said she is making the same now as she made as coco

>>82413404
Cover is clearly being incompetent and struggling big time about the expansion of content and scope.
Bureaucracy and rules are not a reason to always do things at snail pace.
I mean, look at the state of the art bigass 3d studio, so big and so modern that... everyone 3d GOT REDUCED, FOR YEARS, as cover lack the organization and competency to fully crew and keep it going.

You can only wonder how much bottleneck they got on all sides.

>>82414044
Vedal makes more than most Holos.

>>82408708
and apparently 10% of men are completely missing
what the fuck..................

>>82407064
Because the corpo's job is to provide you with more shit and resources than you'd be able to get on your own.
If the corpo stops benefitting you and loses its value, then it's entirely in your best interest to leave.
Seriously, a contract is SUPPOSED to go both ways.

>>82398244
based and true

>>82403869
Why are nu-Uifags like this? She's not the only popular JP indie and never has been.

>>82398122
>Aqua has been a weird member on the sideline for most of her time at the company by now with her glory days in the long-distant past. She has nowhere to go but down by staying with them.
What days behind her? Anon, she was like 5th on average CCV in the whole of Hololive. When she played a competitive game, Apex or Elder Ring, or any game where she could show her skills, she would exceed average Pekora. Her VOD's average over 200k views. She is a monster in Vtubing. Her glory days were far from behind her, and had still plenty of potential to grow. Her being on the sideline was the result of her own choices. She basically exchanged places with Pekora. Pekora started as a lone wolf who just wanted to play alone and discovered the joy of playing with others, while Aqua started as someone who loved playing with others, that ended up becoming a long wolf as time went on. I think it started with China. It was around that time that she started to isolate herself. The Chink's pushed a lot of shit and attacks on other girls, while trying to coopt Aqua as some sort of hidden ally. She may had felt a lot of guilt for that, and closed herself in her own shell.

>>82414691
>>82415256
HOLOSEETHE

>>82397950
Do Hololive fans even like vtubers? You're all so psychotic and two faced

>>82399045
Basement grifters gonna grift

>>82422339
Don't get it either
Someone wanting to move on after 6 years shouldn't be a big deal. Hopefully we will see her in a different shape doing what she likes

>>82401315
>Is baffling how the big state of the art studio is producing LESS 3d content than when they just rented around.
Don't make shit up. First of all they never rentend. They always had a 3D studio in older office. Is in use even today. They definitely didn't produce more 3D content than today. Maybe on individual level, but is one thing to have more individual 3D content with a talent, when you have 20 talents, and another to make it when you have nearly 100.
>More freedom for songs covers (aqua was a utaite before) and faster original songs production.
I genuinely don't see how they could produce more original songs in the past than today. Din they have someone who instead of feces, would shit original music? Original songs cost money, a lot of money. A Cover alone can take you to 15 000 dollars with the MV. An original song is 25k-30k just the song. Cover wouldn't have had the funds for that in 2019, as they were barely making a revenue, the talents even less as they barely made any money. So no, original songs and even covers where not easier to make. Aqua has 1 low budget original song you basically never hear her sing, and 2 covers in 2019. And the same quantity in 2020. She made 11 songs, covers and originals, in the past year. She started 2 pop music after 2022, she had 2 EP's that year.

>>82401315
>I can understand getting anal about perms and rules as a big international company, but they need to optimize and adapt fast before more talent get tired to wait.
There is nothing to optimize. Permission autism won't change even if she goes indie. Japanese companies may look the other way for some small 2view indie, but not for a bigger one.

>>82397950
She likely talked with other ex-corpos and they convinced her that it's better to be an indie than be in a company you hate.

>>82401512
She wasn't getting a large viewership even when she was Coco. Outside of Meme Reviews, she was averaging 4-5k per stream, sometimes even less. But she had whales. That's where Coco shined. And that Shine continued. She made another 1.1 million dollars in SC's alone after she left. (and that only on YT, she streams on Twitch too).

I'm confident to say that all these threads are all discord gift cards fishermen fishing for 2 dollars apple cards. First they were shitting on fwmc and erb now they all moved on to Aqua. This is no coincidence.

>>82397950
because peace of mind and keeping ones integrity are priceless

>>82424525
Holokeks Holozhangs bootlicker of the CCP and China.

>>82424892
>Mind broken jeet.
How much does a 2 dollar apple card converts into in india?

Here is my bold prediction for the future. Kson will still be gone three years from now, but Aqua will eventually return to Hololive. Aqua seems like the type to regret things later once things change and the indie world is not as free or fulfilling as it would seem.

>>82397950
Young holos are still in their rebellious phase. They cannot appreciate the opportunities they have right now, until they're flipping burgers at a restaurant. But Aqua is still young. She probably just wants to be a streamer without the pressure of management looming over her.

>>82397950
she just want to show off her hubby in the open

>>82397950
It was never about money

>>82398237
only good post in this entire thread.

>>82398276
Uh oh.

>>82425837
>mmm delicious yagoo semen

>>82398276
They are successful though? Mel even mentioned Cover helped her transition back to her old persona.

>>82415602
delusional

>>82397950

>>82397950
In a few years people will act like she was in the wrong.
It was always like this and it will always be like this

>>82398244
t.lolcow user

>>82397950
Hololive isn't perfect and even if it were, it's not going to be a perfect fit for everyone.

Aqua has been there 6 years so now that she's leaving, you can safely assume there's a reason for it.

>>82397950
She’s probably already rich now, I don’t think she’s too pressed for cash anymore

Yes. people can actually chose to graduate on good terms. I know its a hard concept for you sis but that is a thing that is possible.

>>82398708
Dude, I wish someone handed me a child to rape. Maybe count your blessings.

>>82398313
This
t. literally listening to her yapping about erotic games right now

>>82397950
incel.

>>82397950
I swear nobody in /vt/ has ever done a creative thing in their life. That or you're all unbelievably greedy cunts. She can continue making plenty of money and lead a more fulfilling life if she leaves (or so she believes) so she's leaving. That's it.

>>82400702
It is refreshing to see that semitic mercantile aspirations have no permeated every man out there. Capitalism can be summed up by the simple question
>would you suck my dick for a million dollars?
The Third Option is the best option.

>>82424297
>jealous 3views convincing her to drop her prestigious high paying job
I can believe it

>>82398244
>all of these angry (You)s
name one thing a woman does better than a man.

>>82440123
Wrong way around retard

>>82400567
I thought I was friends with co-workers who immediatley forgot about me the second they left the job. Friendship is based a lot around shared interests and who you are around. The friends you had in school weren't fake friends because they stopped being your friends after graduation. You'd have to already be friends outside of the company to justifiably remain friends after you leave the company.

>>82450343
Moan

She doesn't have the easiest job in the world, once she graduates and pops up as an indie she'll have the easiest job in the world.

>>82450343
make my pp hard

>>82397950
>>82397950
>Projecting because hes on the tugboat

Fuck off you poor faggot