/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Old thread is still up.

wah!

Predictions on best div coin this week, don't include mori

I fucking hate all of you

ohhh sex

There needs to be the final solution to the Eternal Hoshiyomi

>>8209420
I've done nothing but sell Calli for 3 days.

>>8209420
I predict anya best divvy coin this week and if I am wrong, I will post seanig dick

>>8209456
You're already wrong so you might as well post it now.

>Enters thread
>Discusses financial tactics and gameplay meta
>Stays

>>8209477
based gigachap

>>8209431
Sieg Heil!

>>8209474
she's going to be 50% divvy pay at the least! you do know it

>>8209420
do you even need to think about it
otherwise define best, some sleeper hits if you consider price/divvies ratio include
Miosha, Ollie, Reine, NePoLaBo, Haato, and if I'm lucky Kanatan. Just my rrat though.

>>8209420
holo, easily. marine is down a bit but still decent looking, then probably something unconventional. all the girls who had concerts are still really expensive so their divs will be up but relative to their current price I wouldn't expect anything spectacular.

>>8209420
id2 had a good week and gen5 had a good last week, so they're pretty good contenders

>>8209420
Rushia, you better be buying

towa? more like toshit

>>8209569
I still can't believe this is a valid captcha answer

I'm bleeding money since yesterday but i'm bleeding slower than everyone else so i gain 2 ranks anyway since yesterday.

>>8209526
best in terms of div/(price right now)
I think on that list the ones with potential are kanata at 1700-1800, reine, and haato at 2500 maybe
>>8209547
yeah holo should hit 4k pretty easily, marine looks sketchy, 3.8k maybe?
>>8209556
feels like id coin prices havent deflated hard enough, ollie probably won't crack 1200 divs which puts her below 25%
>>8209558
pic rel

>>8209758
>yeah holo should hit 4k pretty easily, marine looks sketchy, 3.8k maybe?
Compare those weekly views and try again

>>8209797
holo going up and marine going down seems pretty likely?

>>8209907
>he doesn't know

>>8209907
You're supposed to compare average weekly views, not last week's views.

"My vision is to make /nasfaqg/ a comfy thread to talk about numbers going up"

>>8209960
divvies aren't compared to anything, i just use last weeks numbers because its the closest you can get with the prices

>>8210094
>he is unaware

>>8210074
add >585 and >484

>>8210111
I don't seem to understand, anon.

>>8210132
Last thread, but if you don't follow then you don't follow.

>>8210132
He's referring to the janny deleting posts at the end

>>8210074
>want NGU thread on /vt/
Honk should turn nasfaq into an incremental game!
Once you completed the share-trading part of the game(9999 of every coins) you unlock a new feature to increase your money even more in a different /biz/ related way.
stuff like shorts and gacha collecting.
We should steal some ideas from actual idle games for the next features.

>>8210200
It's kinda cathartic that your autotrader only brings you to 9999 now that I think about it.

>>8210200
I want to play a trading simulator game, not a fucking idle clicker game

Idle nation building simulator game

Warchests, banks, pecola underground terrorist cells, construction firms, baqua underground empire.

>>8210261
That's the point, we should try to brainstorm ideas to turn this into a multi-level game so it doesn't fall back into a stupid meta of always buy/never sell
By turning the game into an incremental game the value of money would increase because gaining money in multiple ways would increase your power in other areas.
If Doomposter anon is right, december will be the time when everyone in the top 100 has enough cash from divvies to buy non-stop. Increasing the number of coins is not a valid way of increasing the lifetime of the game (it just pushes the deadline further but also becomes less effective for every new coin)

>>8210421
Time to add a /nasfaqg/ seasonal ladder that resets every 6 months.

>>8210447
Fuck everyone that bought oshicoin manually for weeks on end...

JWU, nice to see my ADA gains

>>8210498
You do want that seasonal oshicrown, don't you? They could even reward cosmetic items that carry over to non-seasonal.

>>8210447
Only if you get a special item for finishing in the oshiboard. Item varies by placement.

Oh hey catbox started working for me again

>>8210421
I think most people will leave this game because of shitty meta in about a month, so even before the tops manages to reach a point where you never sell and only buy 24/7 we'll reach a breaking point where most top players will leave because of the meta

>>8210645
We could unlock one or two small boosting features before that.
Like unlocking shorting at 10m and unlocking some other feature at 25m

the time sink fallacy though, we will never leave the game until its 100% dead and nu update

If everyone donates 20 bucks to honk then maybe he'll implement the strategy-pvp gameplay that anons were talking about

>>8210513
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I'M FOMOING

>>8210447
>>8210631
I can actually see seasonal with completion achievements being a thing to keep it kinda fresh, the changing numbers and situation provide SOME freshness, honk could also change up the algo each time. Seasons shouldn't last longer than the game has so far though, 1-2 Months sounds good to me.

>>8210513
Little Tenshi, it's finally time to shine...

>>8210834
Alt universe nasfaq every season.

>cypher hasn't stopped selling EN2
>yfp hasn't stopped buying EN2
What's the play here?

>>8210834
3 months at least

>>8210867
one is doing what he thinks is optimal play, the other one bets on the exact opposite to maybe gain an edge would be my rrat here. In any case grab some popcorn

>>8210867
im a retard dont follow my plays
t. yfp

Did my ms.honk donation reps. Where my my economical nation building features honk?

>>8210894
but I am doing the same shit, I need my hopium

>>8210904
>isreal
You're a good guy

>>8210447
>>8210631
>>8210834
Anyone who suggests this doesn't realize that another reset will kill this game.

>>8210963
>he's never played a game with a seasonal ladder
They're separate.

>>8210963
I mean yeah for sure, I'm just saying that if for some reason it really happens, then at least give oshiboarders something unique to keep. I would probably quit if a reset happens tho, am top 20 for reference.

>>8210976
Sorry but I don't play trash games like mobas or br

seasonal is good, just give the oshiboys some rewards. maybe medals, like marine s1 crown

>look around /vt/ for some rrats about EN2, the usual
>stumble over /who/
>everyone is full of hopium for a cute design
>twitterposts check out, she's not like the other ones
>what's this soundpost
>https://files.catbox.moe/293ont.mp3 on loop
I have the urge to buy 1000 $HOOT but I need to wait for the debut

>>8211000
>implying this auto clicker incremental game is any better

>>8211032
post wallet

>>8211032
Cant wait for the meltdown

>>8211056
the chance of any post in this timeframe to be me is around 20-33%

Resetting the game without a big gameplay mechanic addition/change would feel really pointless. Changing the algo doesn't count. We would just run into the same problem eventually and people would quit faster due to progress lost

>>8211083
No shit
>>8211077
thought you were someone else

>>8209384
>FIRDAY

Reset is for pussies I want the market to crash down so hard that everyone is poor

>>8211113
that's kind of the point

Resetting the game would be a bad idea, i much prefer adding other stuff and making cash a shared resource between all parts of the game.
At worst if we get too much cash devs could just add "mega coins" that cost a lot of money but are used to bypass technical limitation. (similar to realm grinder)

Send me the discord server honk in my email. I will use irl money to buy more coins for my oshiwar please

>>8210993
I'm top 20 as well. I don't think a reset or seasonal gameplay would fix anything. Almost all of us in the top, especially those of us that autismo since day 0, will quit the game on the spot. However, whoever takes over the leaderboards next will still be almost static. The thing is, those of us who get into the top and maintain it have a solid idea on how to play the game. Changing the algos and stuff won't really change much. Those who hit the top 5 and maintain it are there partially because of rapidly understanding how the algo works to a degree. If you change it they'll just relearn it and the developers will have their own habits so it won't take much to pick up the new one. What will happen is almost the exact same 5 people will secure the leaderboard each "season". There will be some variance from luck and people quitting but for the most part it'll be the same people. Unless, you know, everyone just keeps quitting each cycle.

People good at the game will always win the game.

>>8211171
explain, so basically I want to buy 10 Soracoin for ~$30k and 100 minutes but I could also spend $300k to get them immediately?

I'm going to end the day red for the first time in my life. I have peaked. It's impossible to recover from this. My dipless record-Goodbye.

>>8211033
Better than that soulless trash. Especially mobas, only people who hate themselves play that shit.

Reset would be a good thing. I could finally stop playing this game and just become a boring oshi coin dividend cuck.

>>8211032
What is this song, someone just linked it

>>8211206
Thats the point. Game longevity can be achieved for a while..also taking a break could be a thing too you know so we can recover from burn outs. Nasfaq season s1 take a break, season 2 get ready for an oshi takeover, s3 do it all over again with other players and achieve your goals one at a time.

>>8211232
Poorfag

>>8211307
post wallet

>>8211206
Arguably its more inline with the spirit of the game than the "pvp country builder" that's been jokingly suggested.

>>8211207
Computers are very bad at counting very big numbers accurately.
Mega coins would be a coin that you buy to avoid hitting the technical limit.
Constant price(let's say 1 billion cash per coin or something like that), you pick your oshi and can display your mega coins in a veteran oshiboard and next to your name.

TL;DR : prestige coin that cost a lot of cash to avoid hitting the integer limit. (which shouldn't happen unless honk fucks up the whole "features" idea)

>>8211280
>recover from burn outs
That's not how this sort of thing works. When players quit this sort of game, especially from something like a reset, they won't come back. Player retention doesn't work like that and the % that does come back is very tiny.

Those who don't get burnt out will just keep the board everytime so nothing changes except that game now has a mechanic that kills off the playerbase.

>>8211258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EX0xJ-Wch8
basically Mumei's unofficial theme song selected by anon

>>8211361
so nasfaq's equivalent would be 10000 [chuuba]coin and we'll need it fast because mogu is coming close to 9999 okayu

>>8211363
But thats how season works right? Its a feature for players to go back from. Patches etc. Afaik

>>8211409
More like a superchat that actually gives you bragging right for more than 24 hours.

>>8211411
It is, new ladders typically for those games bring players that quit from burn out. Anon's viewpoint is understandable though. Not a lot of people like the idea of putting in work on something that'll eventually be reset.

I can see a seasonal update can work, but not a reset. All that money gone to what, some badge praising your worth? I'd rather just prove that by gacha-ing a _jeb.

>>8211409
Prestige coins. Like that /yah/coin design wise will be cool. Valued 10000x

>>8211361
>Computers are very bad at counting very big numbers accurately.
You mean big floating point numbers, right?

>>8211361
>ywn buy a golden lucia

>>8211454
Total reset is aids dont worry about that. We just need something to aim for without compromising every single progress that we made is our focus today ie all our suggestions

EN2 coins are going reversal now.

>>8211564
the millisecond divvies hit they'll fucking go to the moon again.

>>8211411
This isn't some fps or something. The very concept of player retention and behaviour, attitude and shit towards the game are very very different. The goal of seasons in those sort of games is fundamentally the idea of games as a service. People have lives and come and go so they work off that people will come to play the game, spend some money cause they are retarded and then go to go play some new things. They then do a "season" aka an update with new content to get players back in for a bit before they leave. Really, seasons are literally just a marketing term for a big content update.

The very idea of seasons won't work with nasfaq. Once someone leaves nasfaq, they simply won't come back. They'll have already got the satisfaction from it in their head and won't feel any desire to come back. The other anon is right and that with working towards something with the idea that it'll be reset won't work here. Most people will just seethe and quit and only the casual players will remain because the game does require a lot of time, effort and dedication until you reach a certain money value.

There should be random events in this game imo. Things that drastically reduce the coins in circulation and keep players (and especially top players) on their toes. Just so people can't sit on their assets and collect divs while buying 24/7 indefinitely.
>gen 2 will have 50% less dividends this week because reasons
>steal hackers 10% liquid from all users today
>hackers steal 20% of haatocoins from each user
>transaction cooldown increased to 20 minutes today
>war causes extensive damage to haato related businesses. Everyone loses haatocoins based on the average number of haato users posses. Can't be reduced to below 0.
>watame has bad internet. watame related transactions have a 50% chance of failing this week.
>towa has commited another yab. her coin is closed from transactions for a day.

>>8211633
Rrat. Rrat. Rrat. Rrat. Rrat

>>8211671
rrat generator AI soon

>>8211685
Intergrate that with the nation building schtik. Niji and holo diplomacy when? Unity

>They are using zhonkbot instead of using my spreadsheet

>>8211456
>>8211608
The seasonal money can be added to main account as long as they both share coin cooldowns. No need for a reset.

>>8211633
This sounds incredibly unique but also kinda RNG retarded. But I see what you're trying to get from here: trying to make buying a coin feel like commitment.
In the actual stock market, actually buying some stock feels very risky, as the wrong move can punish you hard. This gives a feeling of risk, but high reward when you get a positive transaction. In NASFAQ? I think that the very simple patterns in tandem with expected price changes at a certain time kind gives low risk high reward.
As stupid as it may sound, honk add the ability to buy multiple coins at once. Maybe then can we see similar chart patterns compared to the real life stock market? This could actually make day-trading more viable and much more rewarding while also being more risky.

>>8211786
I made my own

>>8211828
I was also talking about my private spreadsheet kek
It's actually currently worse than both zhonkbot and haaton spreadsheet, but I'm trying to improve it right now

>>8211726
>Niji and holo go to war
>all coins are controlled by the devs to make sure they don't go down
>war ends
>every single coin now is free-falling because of the crisis post war
>devs try to lift the economy by releasing more share per coin
>inflation, coin prices go down
>now 1000 marine can buy you a piece of bread
>people start using shares as napkins
>economy miracle happens
>everyone is getting richer
>stacks of money keep growing more and more
>it reaches a breaking point
>crisis
>repeat

>>8211816
Beta test this first. +1 multi coin should work

>>8211885
>/nasfaqg/ Season 1: $ROPE War

>writing spreadshits instead of making an actual script which will do it better
Yabai

>>8211901
HOLOCAUST CHAMA

>>8211901
>he hasn't recreated the site through console commands and .bat's

When you think about it, nasfaq is not really some afk game. When you play seriously, you have to do your reps, make your own sheets, and analyze numbers on your own. The people who don't have time to do this are left in the dust and often end up quitting. Bad players lose as they should.

The problem comes at top where everyone is neck and neck, doing almost the exact same plays because those they're all looking at the same numbers and the same twitter feeds. This is where players who started playing early have a virtually unbeatable advantage. The only way for those older players to lose is for them to quit doing their reps and basically quit playing the game but even then they still earn quite a bit of money from divvies.

Success in nasfaq is timegated but that's not really a bad thing. The bad thing is that there's no way to lose if you just continue playing. There's no real way to lose money unless you voluntarily throw it away. The game is predictable but that's not a bad thing either. There just needs to be more things to predict. More variables. Regular events that bog specific coins based on new statistics. Bog a coin if they do a yab. No clue how you would do that but it's an idea. Maybe when a certain amount of tweets mentioning the holo contain the word "yab". Let's add more variables to the mix.

>>8211885
Fucking belkans

Honk where are the dips, need to stress test the CLI trader

I think devchama need to implement something of a bailout system for coins that are expected to adjust down/lose money down to the negatives. This will force everyone to trade their coins more actively. Dips need to be so harsh that the coin gets negative value and you have to invest again to push it back to a positive value, kind of like what happened to the game before the great reset but instead of getting paid for buying negative valued coins, you have to buy them. This will definitely erase a fuckton of money from the system and slow down inflation

>>8211945
Holos taking a break is realistic enough for this, its just not that punishing.

>>8211945
The top players don't even look at what they are buying...

use racecetear economic system for fun devs

>>8212089
because its already on the spreadsheets

BUY THE DIP BUY THE DIP

>>8211471
For some reasons honk thought it was a good idea to store everything in 32bit signed variables (which caused the negative number glitch that was talked about a couple of months ago)
2,147,483,647 is the limit of a signed 32bit variable, after this there are some tricks to make "bigger" numbers but you'll lose accuracy. (Which you really don't want to lose in this game)
Mega coin would switch the problem from one variable to multiple variable. The server wouldn't need to deal with 2 billion cash (because it would be spent on mega coins) and we wouldn't need to deal with the leaderboard using exponent to show how much a player is worth (unless you really want to see 10^53 next to your name in 6 months)
If a mega coin cost 1b then capping a mega coin would cost 2,147,483,647,000,000,000 cash.

or Honk could just switch to 64bit signed and add 9,223,372,034,707,292,160 to the limit. (but that would be less fun)

TL;DR : we gain money quickly, we are not that far off from hitting the limit. Changing the way leaderboard works by adding a new currency themed around the core of the game would delay the inevitable and not sacrifice the aesthetic aspect of the game.

>>8211945
>>8212089
That's kind of why I suggested multi-buying a coin. Theoretically, this would give similar volatile graphs comparable to the actual stock market, which has a high learning curve of recognizing bull and bear patterns, which would also make daytrading much more high risk high reward instead of autobuy 100 of a coin and AFK.

There needs to be a feeling of commitment when you buy a coin. That feeling of risk and the constant anxiety that a coin can just instantly dip, similar to the real stock market.

I'd love to have some sort of beta to test multicoin buying and see how the meta develops.

>>8211901
Those spreadsheets actually use scripts inside. The reason I made a spreadsheet instead of some Python script is because Google Sheets provide ability to run those scripts inside spreadsheets when you have PC turned off. Of course, I could have the script running on some free backend hosting service, but I feel like setting up the script in the spreadsheet is easier kek

What is MPP and what does it mean?

t. retard

>>8212338
most purchased product

>>8212338
Mogu's Petite Penis
MPP is a meme

>>8212338
Me Pounding Pekora
basically I cuck your oshi

>>8212338
Mogu petite penis

>>8212338
Meme power pride

>>8212338
Mean purchase price, if you're actually asking

>>8212338
Mogu's powerful pump

>>8211945
"Success" (or performance) in this game is actually not defined directly by monetary value, but by growth rate. Everyone makes more money, the question is how fast you make it in comparison to others, which is dependend on not inly the correct trades, but the right trades at the right time, and tons of foresight and game feel. or just being a lucky cunt and buying hags you like in bulk because you can right now and it turns out to be a money maker

Ready for the next major update after auction ?
CARGO AND WAREHOUSES !
You can buy a warehouse to store your cargo with a limit depending on your warehouse's size.
And sell them later for a much bigger profit than coins but requiring more active gameplay.
Cargo would be obtained by using a second gacha which cost a lot more but doesn't drop items.
Some cargo give set bonus if you store enough of them. Example : if you own nuts and nutcrackers you could sell them for an increase price in a 2-in-1 deal because they are part of the nuts-set.

opinion ?

>>8212338
Must punch Pomu

STOP BUYING EN2 COINS OR ELSE WE WILL DUMP IT

t. top 10 player discord

>>8212529
Do it. I don't care. I WILL have Sana's oshiboard

>>8212476
For me, going up has been all about losing less than everyone else and being a lucky bastard.

>>8212338
tl;dr: it defines the quality of your stack and if you make or lose money on average when selling a coin off. Having many low MPP stacks means you get BIG FAT DIVIDENDS compared to what you paid.

*ahem
>not buying Mio
stay poor everyone

>>8212561
same here, right now Tenshi and Mikochi putting in work the crash will be painful.
>>8212576
>not already having mio
>overbuying
become poor.

>>8212338

PUMP MY MIO BAGS HHAAAARRRDDDEEERRR

Do you guys find it pathetic I haven't sold a single share of my oshi, like, ever?

I could be a billionaire...

>>8211945
>Maybe when a certain amount of tweets mentioning the holo contain the word "yab"
Be right back spamming

>Mori 3D debut
>everyone buys
>before adjustments i spam "mori yab" on twitter with 100 of my throwaway accounts
>instead of mooning she crabs
>everyone sells their bag because she will bog hard the day after while I buy from the bottom
>rinse and repeat

>>8212668
it would take me two weeks (14,34 days) to sell off my complete oshicoin. In those two weeks, she'd make me back around 2/3rds of what I spent though.
If you buy her reasonably cheap it's even a bad idea to ever sell, unless the spike of a century kicks in.

>Coin amount predictor on my autotrader is out of sync again
what the fuck, how does this keep happening

>>8212729
spaghetticode

>>8212751
Not really, I think there is a bug that I didn't find yet. Basically instead of fetching wallet every time to get the current amount of coins, autotrader simply adds 1 to amount every time it does a buy order and subtracts 1 every time it does a sell order. Every 10 minutes it fetches wallet to get actual amount of coins in case it gets out of sync for some reason.

I can't understand why does it actually get out sync so often

>>8212840
>I think there is a bug that I didn't find yet
spaghetticode

>>8212840
If you're the haatontrader anon, have you fixed it so you can sell to 0?

>>8212864
But it's not spaghetti code

>>8212897
No, I'm not the haatontrader anon

why is the reversal so weak

who's that red girl in Mio's stream

>>8212719
>spamming
sounds like a new and interesting playstyle. it's exactly what we need

>>8213010
ayame. you can see her horns

>>8213071
this is correct, it's ayame

>>8213111
WHHOOORE

>>8213071
>>8213111
she a niji or something

MIO FOMO AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHY DIDNT I DO MY REPS

>>8213216
No, she's an artist that does cooking streams. She's Mel's mama

>>8211032
>music
AAAAAAAHA IM OWLINGING

>>8213071
>>8213111
Whomst?

man they even gave her an idol outfit, that's nice of cover

>Irys days before her debut: 6k
>Irys after her debut: 7.2k
Yup, not going to buy EN2 coins now. Irys didn’t increase that much after her debut, so why would HoloEN2 be any different? I’m not buying 12k coins.

THE PROTAGONIST OF HOLOLIVE AT THE FRONT
AYAME

>>8213541
hololaibu

>>8213461
>Irys didn’t increase that much after her debut, so why would HoloEN2 be any different?
IRySes debuff is that she's a vsinger and not a mainline gen member, EN2 is gonna be different.
Although honestly I'm not completely sure if EN2 will reach EN1 numbers, I feel like the hype of EN1 being the first EN gen is the reason EN1 got so popular in the first place.

armpits post folks please

>>8213587
JP numbers only went up every gen if that's any indicator.
Also IRyS is seen as AzkiEN and has an ugly model, only those who can power through that can see that she actually sounds pretty fun to be around

I don't understand, who the fuck is still selling? Are they people from NA, running bots while sleeping?

>>8213461
>he doesn't know

>>8213733
why are you holding? im planning to sell every single coin that i have

>>8213763
I meant EN2 coins

my MPP will be devastated but fuck it I WILL buy back the EN2s

>>8213733
Why the fuck are you holding?

>>8213778
bought double. need liquid for div plays

>>8213814
I'm already done selling EN2 coins, I'm buying them back now.

what script to use to figure out who had the most views this week

>>8213812
>>8213838
Why not buy them back after divvies? EN2 has no divvies after all.

>>8213907
know your game, anon

>>8213778
This is the dip, buy now or hold bags like a retard later

>>8214002
They'll probably cost more, I'm kinda poor

>>8214035
Bitch, EN2 coins won’t increase that much after their debut. Just look at Irys. It’s not worth it.

>>8214078
Stay poor, also, show wallet

>>8214002
Also, I don't have any dividend plays, so it's not like I can buy anything

>>8213907
I use pen and paper, and keep count of each view with a vertical line, then every 5th line y draw it diagonally to signal a 5 view "group".Then I count each "group" and multiply it by 5 to get the amount of views each idol got. I can then compare each other, usually with little cut outs with the symbol of each idol that I move up and down on a whiteboard to make a ranking.

>>8214078
Then what was the point of buying them, I wasn't planning on getting money by selling at the peak before debut

VTuberscoin when?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwOGO9gT1y0IvzPqKal4loQ

fit anon here, my body is still recovering from an hour ago, do whatever you guys want cause ill be trying to keep my eyes from falling out

>>8214145
just get an abacus you fucking moron

Oshiboard has been updated. But nobody cares.

>>8214200
I care. gambare, anonchama

>>8214188
don't sleep through adjustments

>>8214196
>using a sliding abacus
That's cheating

>>8214200
The israel oshiboard spreadsheet?

>>8214200
I care. I'm climbing that shit

>>8214200
You don’t need to update it every day. I’m fine with oncs a month.

What's going to happen if Mio won't stop streaming before the adjustment time?

>>8214200
I care, thanks for the good work, Anon.

>>8214330
Nothing. Mio's numbers aren't counted for next adjustment. They're for tomorrow's.

>>8213541
Ayame has literally spent months streaming once every month or so and making EACH and EVERY stream overlap with some kind of major, important stream by a colleague, before disappearing again, to the point it became a meme.

When she was invited or otherwise called on to participate in things, she would lie over and over(often using the same excuse multiple times) for why she can't, like not having internet, despite us knowing her LoL account and seeing her hours increasing rapidly(ergo, she's lying to her fans, and her co-workers). And she's playing with her boyfriend, and is in fact in a relationship with him openly on her roommate despite trying to hide it from her paypigs

Ayame has repeatedly shown that she doesn't care about this job, doesn't care about the majority of her co-workers, and doesn't care about her fans. Ayame is coasting on her voice and design, on clips, instead of streams.
An idol is supposed to be genuine, honest, warm, hard-working, feminine, and kind. Ayame is none of those. She doesn't deserve any of those in return.

>>8214200
agree with >>8214321 I think once a week (after divvies? or whatever time fits you best) is fine as long as you keep a "updated last on" timestamp

>>8214362
Sure anon, here is your (you)

Hello, I have added an explanation about the the autotrader sheet works and I have also added a version number so you would know if your sheet is updated or not. The current version number is 2.004
I have also fixed a bug where it wouldn't trade if the user balance is lower than the total price of all the trades.

>>8212840
My guess would be that your buy/sell orders takes long to register either because of your internet or nasfaq server. Maybe get the user wallet every 10 mins and 5 seconds, idk.

>>8214477
what the fuck we're posting flowcharts now?

>>8214200
I already know cypher overtook me in Mikos and dread to look at that fucking sheet it's good I just hate the facts it carries

>>8214321
>>8214398
I think I am going to make it automatically update itself every X hours or so.

>>8214477
>Maybe get the user wallet every 10 mins and 5 seconds, idk.
Why would that help though? The coin amount doesn't get out of sync when it fetches the wallet, it gets out of sync in between wallet fetches

>>8214550
This entire game is a flowchart

>>8214477
>Is the trade valid?
What does this check?

>>8214259
i dont think I could if i wanted too

>>8214200
How the hell did Watoto Dispensary able to repeatedly make dupe calls? The gap between us is getting lower and lower and I'm sure to God it's not because of my Internet connection. I made 144 calls yesterday and 143 calls currently

Finally the real protagonist of hololive

>>8214586
I will assume you get the wallet at exactly 10 minutes and 0 seconds. Depending on your internet, nasfaq server load, and amount of coins your gonna trade. it can take from a few milliseconds to a few seconds of delay between the wallet fetches.
>>8214651
see image

>>8214757
she's fucking growing on me FUCK

>>8214964
but her voice

>>8214986
That's exactly the reason you plebe

>>8215005
but her neck rigging

>>8215028
What about it?

>>8215077
did you see crimewatch UK on the telly last night?

dangit why do I need to take a shit during a kino concer-
OH

>>8214935
>it can take from a few milliseconds to a few seconds of delay between the wallet fetches.
But why does that matter? Currently it's guaranteed that function that does trades and the function that fetches wallet every 10 minutes never run at the same time, it's also guaranteed that at the time when the function that fetches wallet is called, at least 2 seconds passed since last time sellCoin/buyCoin APIs were called.

wheres fit and shit anons, its almost adjustment time.

Can the devs bog Rushia if i donate 100 bucks to honk? I need to oshicoin

>>8215167
both are here read the thread
>>8215152
>>8214188

>>8215167
he died

>>8215167
/fit/ anon is dying, >>8214188

>>8215176
you and me both, brother...

>>8215176
yeah add a note

>>8215187
>both
they're the same person

>Ctrl+F
>[Deleted]
>105 results
You can't even blame hoshiyomis, you faggots.

Cyкas since you did some dumbbell stuff last adjustment, today we're doing SQUATZ
Get those leg days in.

I'm unironically need to take a shit.

>>8215273

>>8215167
my eyes hurt, and when I tried to go a bit faster than walking I almost collapsed. gomen. I will become stronger soon.
>>8215219
no.

>>8215276
same

I'm going to fuck the owl

>>8215333
Stop staying up late with your aunt

>>8215273
I was actually planning for these but I never say something I cant do. Thanks for reading my mind.

>>8209420
GOOD MOOOOOOOORNING /nasfaqg/! Just wanted to remind you that today is the day that Suicoin (yes, THE Suicoin from nasfaq.biz/market) gets 3k in dividends. Make sure to save your tears for the upcoming dividend paymentswhen Suicoin walks into the spotlight!

>H-HAH! THE INVESTIGATORS ARE RIGHT! SUICOIN WILL NEVER WIN. KEKYOMIS FOREVER BTFO!!!! “No!”

Hate to disappoint you discord haatons, but the results are are random and can be re-rolled at any time! And while you continue to praise honk, need I remind you that they are nothing but discord haatons that will capitulate if their oshi starts streaming? Moona's dividends not only proved that the market makes no sense, but also confirmed that no shitcoin is too low for nasfaq! But feel free to continue your denial. Your tears of disappointment will be all the more sweeter!

haachahaachamunch on deez nuts lmao

Why are the good dips always on a friday when i have no liquid left...

>>8215377
what a damn shame you're wrong.

maririn....

The way of the crab

>>8215558
I hope she bogs down on Monday, now that her weekly views will slowly go back to normal

Do you wanna see a magic trick?

>>8215648
Sure. What kind of magic trick?

MY JET AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>8215724

Fuck it, I'm selling Mori.

>>8215762
Nani?

>>8215791
whoosh, your penis has disappeared

>>8215783
To buy what?

>>8215851
Better coins

>>8215762
damn im in love with polka now, what a magic trick

yesterday/today

>>8215847
Give it back

>>8215878
Like?

>>8215890
Non-Mori coins

>>8215916

>>8215884
then give me your hand in marriage

>>8215958
I'll post a picture of my hand if you superchat my oshi

I have been chasing Hoshi no Kanata Inc. up the leaderboard for some time, they even have the same amount of HoloEN2 as me.
I swear I will get above you one day, but let's climb to the top together.

>>8215762
HES RETURNED TO THE OSHIBOARD

>>8215987
alright, tell me your oshi

>>8216007
Make it a red one

>>8215989
That sounds pretty gay desu

>>8215630
lets climb. together

>>8216062
This whole thread is gay, anon

https://twitter.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1428706186107363340
BUY BUY BUY BUY

what's the best browser to use on an android phone? My PC can't handle it anymore and I'm scared of using the haatontrader. I might get banned

>>8214567
I think the sheet will update every 12 hours now. I copied more haaton code, so it will work or it will get me banned.

>>8216117
Firefox is the best for desktop. Never tried the mobile version but I'd expect it to be good as well

>>8216117
doing it on a phone will severely affect your battery life since it needs to stay always on to work best, and the design makes it ASS to play it. Also most mobile browsers are literal shit. I'd recommend investing in a raspberry pi and setting up RDP if you don't want to autistically inject your trades via JS.

>>8216150
I have bad news for you anon, but it's a tiny bit better than the others.
>>8216117
oh btw, another argument for the pi is also that you won't have to rely on wi-fi

>>8216117
chrome on android works, I didn't miss a single cycle this night

it may have been for a few seconds, but this was cool. back to business

>>8216280

>>8216150
cooldown lags on firefox. Other than that, nasfaq runs pretty good in that browser

>>8216181
>>8216219
>not relying on wifi
how would it connect to the Internet without wifi? I am thinking of using the haatontrader because of recurring power surges in my city but I am scared that Zhonk will shoah my account. Can't afford to miss one cycle as the oshicoiner below me is taking over my crown soon.

>>8216358
you generally connect it via ethernet because older pis had shit/no wifi but new ones like the 4 now come with it so its not as necessary.

>>8216447
I literally don't know how to code so I don't even know how to set up a raspberry pi for nasfaq lole

>>8216280
Doesn't matter, you still have more Towas than he does. And that is all that counts.

>>8216280
Give him a Kenzokiss

>>8216499
you don't really have to, just make sure you flash the SD with the full install of raspbian and it already comes with a desktop environment.
RDP is as easy as connecting it to the same router as your PC of choice and connecting to "raspberrypi" via remote.

>>8216499
you wouldnt code, its literally a computer. you boot it up, load up a browser, go to nasfaq, start the auto trader and walk away. the point is its tiny and you can set them up so you can connect remotely from a different pc, so its just a small box in corner sipping power.

>>8216280
>>8216604
https://files.catbox.moe/wsbeqx.mp4

>>8216664
and the RDP idea stems from it otherwise requiring you to re-plug your mouse and keyboard which I'd imagine fucking sucks.

>>8216699
exactly

>>8216695

>>8216695

>>8216695

>>8215989
>tfw I now have 2 rivals

is she trying to rival botan as russki queen?
I know of her russki fren, guess it's for her

>>8217050
Zemlya-chan?

>>8217094
sounds like it was her name, t'is but a faint memory.

HORSE FUCKERS

>>8217050
I think this anon means Mana Renewal (Earth-chan) they had a cute collab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwCIzdfrK_w

>>8217113
Yea, I remember translating her videos back in the day.

Let's talk numbers... Which EN2 will have the most live viewers for their debut?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr9iLdXK9ik
you already know もぐもぐもぐもぐ get ready for
わんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわんわん

>waiting 6 mins so I could do all buy/sell orders at the same time to reduce server load

>>8206146
can you fucking not

>>8217399
Not a single one will have more than 20k live viewers and a lot of ppl are gonna lose money on their coins.

>>8217521
>israel

>>8216280
I just woke up and saw this, I'm getting enough Towas to make you proud, wait for me.

>>8217521

>>8217399
dunno but always loved time women

>>8217399
If the rat rrat is true then she's going to filter people so fucking hard

I have have disgusting, messy and crazy sex with space

>>8216506
>>8217655
aren't we all a brüder... right?

>>8217777
>the other kraut is a kenzoku

>>8217521
I am slightly worried that they will be shadowbanned right off the bat.

>>8217801
worldwide kenzoku don't you know?

This is going to fuck with their adjustment at debut, isn't it

>>8217855
they'll easily make it up until then.

>>8217826
Das 'rite hermano

>>8217777
Yes, you are all my Kyodai

>>8217855
Oh nonono EN2 holders don't look

what the FUCK were they thinking?!

I counted the oshimarks in the top 100

in order:
gura - 8
amelia -7
ina - 6
haato - 6
default icon - 5
towa - 4
okayu - 4
miko - 4
marine - 4
fubuki - 3
polka - 3
pekora - 3
korone - 3
watame - 3
ayame - 3
mori - 3
kiara - 2
suisei - 2
kanata - 2
aqua - 2
shion - 2
rushia - 2
risu - 2
ayamy -2
ollie, subaru, roboco, azki, flare, baelz, fauna, nene, nabi, botan, matsuri, choco, civia, coco, noel - 1

>>8218125
>polgliacci...

>>8218125
>default icon - 5
incredibly based

>ahh the transaction, transaction. you know the transaction? the nooo one. i always, i always place the, the transaction. history transaction and without transaction. i always make the history and without transaction. transaction! i like transaction, yeah. i always, i always reverse the, the reverse- reverse transaction. ahh how can i explain? i can explain by my spreadsheet! i always place like the transaction that it has confirmation on here, this part, the server response. response of websocket. and then, i place- wh- when i place the next transaction, the transac- it always have a reversal on t- on the response, but i pick up these... away! cause i detect it. and then i redo the transaction. okay? you understand? understandable! reversal! yes.

>>8212729
>>8115536

About transaction reversals (I think "dupe" is a misnomer)
So i've sifted through the logs and found a chain of transactions that can hopefully illustrate what I suspect causes the issue, i've opted to format it in a spreadsheet since the actual log, even if trimmed is way too long for an image.

TL;DR: the TX (transaction) history is unreliable, and transactions can be "reversed" by the server, hopefully this helps people write autotraders that donít bog the server / devs to fix the issue

How to read picrel, Iíll link it to my conclusion in a separate post, feel free to read that first (5k post limit):
Timestamps trimmed to the last 4 digits
PrevBal is calculated from Price and Balance
Time(Tx) is the transaction timestamp
Time(Wallet) is the cooldown timestamp on the wallet returned in the CFM packet
txTime is the time difference between the 2 timestamps

An excerpt of the wallet from the CFM pkt is shown, with each coin's timestamp and amt in the packet
A green entry represents a successful TX
Red represents reversed data
Yellow represents a TX that was CFM'd by the server, but ultimately reversed down the line

The other colors in Bal and Timestamp exist to highlight identical values for reference later

The transactions:
The first and last (nana and calliope) exist to show a before and after
As established before, Time(Tx) (Tx receipt time) should be always earlier than Time(Wallet) (Tx confirmation time)
In a valid ledger, the prevbal will always equal the balance of the previous transaction
For most normal transactions, the Time(Wallet) of the previous TX should always be earlier than the Time(TX) of the current transaction. Reversals tend to happen when this isn't the case.

The moona, fauna, and kronii transactions have Time(Tx)s BEFORE the choco Time(Wallet), those transactions essentially didn't happen, call it reversed, ghosted, whatever
When the sana TX is done, it basically only applied the sana TX to whatever was on the choco TX, as evidenced by the 9755 correctly being brought over from the choco transaction. Also as a result of using the choco TX's base numbers, the reversed transactions didn't happen, as evidenced by the fact that the yellow timestamps are never to be seen again (until a completely separate request was sent to correct for this, the separate request also has a new timestamp)
--To be continued--

>>8218125
>2 suisei
wait seriously
also
>aki...

>>8218125
naturally Gura is #1

>>8218206
How do we save her...

>>8218202
ogey

>>8218202
--Continued--
Nomenclature and shorthands: (Refer to data from previous post)
Events:
ACK, the server acknowledges the receipt of the request via websocket, (NOT the http200 / success:true), this is sent even if the coin is on cooldown, it's what triggers the "pending" popup on the webclient
CFM, the server confirms the transaction, and sends back an updated wallet, a separate broadcast to the public ledger is made, that broadcast is what shows up on the history list, this event causes the "confirmed" popup on the webclient

Others:
TX, transaction, any buy or sell
REV/Reversal, not an actual event, but happens when the server sends the CFM packet, but further TXs down the ledger don't reflect the changes of the CFM packet, be it cooldown, balance, or coin amt. It is as if the TX didn't happen, bar the leftover history generated.

What causes the reversals?
Server side: Race conditions, high server load
Client side: Network congestion

Race conditions:
My speculation is the server isn't correctly queueing incoming transactions, so when a new tx arrives while one is already processing, a new thread is created, outdated data is read and processed, essentially creating 2 versions of the wallet, thus when the data is written, only 1 copy stays and any changes made to the other copies are essentially lost

High server load:
>when a new tx arrives while one is already processing
This window increases as the server load increases. There's a time difference between the tx timestamp and the actual coin's cooldown timestamp (~10, up to to 100+ during high loads), perhaps the tx timestamp is made when the server gets the tx, supported by the fact is returned in the ACK packet and the same TX timestamp is reflected in the CFM packet. The coin's timestamp is calculated later, when the checks are done and the server is about to write to disk (and subsequently sent back in the CFM packet). I believe the time difference between the TX and coin timestamps are indicative of server load, and is shown in the TXTIME column. The takeaway is this makes the aforementioned race conditions more likely to happen.

Network congestion:
Networks aren't reliable, and will tend to buffer connections, especially on shoddy wireless networks. The takeaway is that there is no point attempting to fix this issue clientside, since any network congestion will cause the packets to bunch up, arrive out of order etc.

Implications?
Anyone that bogs the server will negatively affect those using autotraders that don't detect reversals.
Just because you sent the trade, the server confirmed it and you can see the new coins/balance, it does NOT mean it actually went through. Double check using a future transaction, and keep in mind any attempts to apply a ledger to a local wallet will eventually go out of sync.

Ideally this is fixed serverside, but without knowing how the server currently works I can't tell how much work would be required, and none are straightforward enough to explain in a 4chan post.

On the client's end, solutions DO exist, I suspect the people who repeatedly sent invalid transactions used it as a way to counter reversals, or repeatedly fetching the wallet to ensure things went through.
Ideal solutions that don't require this DO exist, although getting CFM packets at the same time / out of order, causes the client to run into the same problems the server does. Solvable, but once again not going to fit in a 4chan post.


Quick fixes?
Sever+Client side? Allow clients to batch up multiple buy/sell requests in 1 api call, no multithread = no race condition

Client side? Don't shit up the server, it makes the problem worse for everyone else. The focus should be on detecting reversed transactions, not sending requests until it works.

Rope inducing fixes (its jork, but i'm surprised itís not been brought up yet)?
User spam score:
Start at -1000, clamp between -1000 and +10, resettable via captcha on webui
Every invalid tx increases the score by 1, every valid tx reduces it by 10
when score > 0 fine the user (score*coinprice) for the invalid transaction, and require a captcha via webui at +10
Display this score on the top bar
A money sink that penalizes users that somehow generate 10x invalid transactions than valid ones.

inb4 thread dies before anyone reads

>>8209493
>gigachap
Are we gonna continue with my dumb typo? If so, lemme get down slowly

roboco anon...

I'm not gonna fucking read that

>>8218125
owl bros...

>>8218378
oh man....

>>8218251
>My speculation is the server isn't correctly queueing incoming transactions, so when a new tx arrives while one is already processing, a new thread is created, outdated data is read and processed, essentially creating 2 versions of the wallet, thus when the data is written, only 1 copy stays and any changes made to the other copies are essentially lost
Pretty much this probably.

>>8218206
Look at Suisei's oshiboard

What the fuck? One of my SC disappeared.

>>8218479
They're on a timer anonchama...

>>8218159
bro..

>>8218294
told him to buy 600, wouldn't be a problem

>>8218159

>>8218125
>AZKi - 1
Faithful, cute, amazing voice, great musical sense. Hell yeah.

>>8216604
>Kenzokiss
Hey colleague, can you stop making the thread gay for once?

>>8218251
thanks anon
will look into those CFM packets, might be useful for the CLI trader.

>>8212735
we are having a party with 5ch, you are invited

>>8218251
>>8218202
best I can do is make it a pastebin + imgur and put it in the op with a fat DEVS READ THIS

>>8218717
those wacky japs

>>8218717
ah a woman in need. subbed

>>8218294
Gomen i needed the calli divvies, i'll be back tomorrow :^)

>>8215340

>>8218739
or post it to the floor
>>8218773
See you then buddy I like seeing the oshiboard active

>>8216882
Who's the other one?

>>8218717
holy shit there's fucking jap schizos in the thread

>>8218816
>post it to the floor
that's the idea,
>>8218202
>>8218251
anon, if you wish to remain anon I'd post it for you with the image of course, otherwise go do that then

>>8218717
finally our local gosling is invited to something

>>8218901
we will enter in a call with her on the official nasfaq discord!

>>8218852
Yonju

>>8218790

>>8216367
oh my god

this fucking recorder song is stuck in my head

>>8218868
>>8218739
I'm not only posting because the devs mentioned looking into it, but there's a bunch of people starting their own autotraders, and as much as I think that's good I wouldn't want them bogging the server to get around transactions randomly being reversed

I'll consider posting it to the floor as a pastebin

>>8219192
alright then, I will signalboost everything that could help the devs but you ultimately found it so you decide how to handle it.

>>8219192
I get more of these "dupe" transactions when I use zhonkbot, and haven't had any of them show up with the haatonsheet.

>>8219183
doodoot doodoodoodoot
doodoot doodoodoodoot
doodoodoodoodoot
doot doot, doot doot!

>>8219290
I've never used either, so I can't comment on that, but i'm suspecting the sheet running on google's servers would have less congestion / batching issues than a browser backgrounded on a home pc

>>8218901
there's at least three of literally me here

>>8219183
Sauce is yobikomikun

CEASE TRADING!

>>8219713
It worked...

c-can we continue trading yet

>>8220401
Yes

OPEN THE TRADING
STOP HAVING IT BE CLOSED

RESUME TRADING!

holy shit thank god we can trade again

LETS FUCKING GO I NEED TO SPEEEEEEEND

It's over for the official NASFAQ autotrader, just released v1.0.0 of my own autotrader.

>>8220767
what's it written in then

>>8220813
basic