/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>81831247
another ERB thread

>>81831247
I cannot watch this garbage with that red whore in it. I feel sorry for gigi biboo and raora but they must that a line has been drawn and the red whore must be secluded to only collab with ther homsh.

something something homocollabers bad

Well you found a paradox didn't you why are the CGDCT girls not the most subbed members then?

>>81831247
>None of them broke 5k viewers
>2 of them are in the 2k range
HoloEN (or VTubers on Youtube in general) sure has reclined, haven’t they? This is literally just the lig level on Twitch

>>81831247
>most subbed members of their gens

>>81831247
ERB's thumbnail has major "photo with my girls" vibe.
You wouldn't be able to tell whose POV it is by looking the 'nail.

>>81831491
Unicorns are smart enough to only sub to those they'll actually watch.

>>81831491
Because the homobeggars rigged the sub numbers of the red whore and calli. Sub numbers are easier to rig than CCV

>>81831247
Mori and ERB are failures that much is known

Raora will overtake ERB eventually. It might take quite a long time though because ERB built a huge lead before people knew she's shit and most people don't bother unsubscribing from channels they lose interest in, they just become dead subs instead.

>>81831568
You are admitting that unicorns are a minority or that they are so seggregate that they only can commit to one or two chubbas at most... Anon pls

phase ntr deflection thread

>Dead By Daylight
nah,it's dead subs by debut

>>81831247
>Almost Mori level already

>>81831247
Watching Mori crash and burn has been hilarious

>>81831691
And that would be horrendous, eventually the pink whore is gonna reveal her homoloving tendencies, old habits die hard.

>Normies and homobeggars
>Drop a sub, watch a few streams, fall off and only watch them every month or so.
>Unicorns
>DROP A SUB AND WATCH EVERY SINGLE STREAM
It's about drive and commitment. Homobeggars wil never be as motivated as a unichad

>>81831247
>When will Hololive learn the west wants CGDCT just as much as the Japs?
When they finally make Holostars a mixed branch

>>81831575
Kek, tell that to the bot schizo

>14k overall
That's pretty good considering rabbit and steel collab only had 10k

>>81831926
>Designated homobeggars debuting under the stars branch instead of hololive
I'm okay with this.

What do you guys normally order from a Waffle House?

>>81832060
>Waffle house
I'd rather starve.

>>81831555
>Missed their 1 million sub goal
>CCV at an all-time low
>People getting tired of their obsession with numbers
>Keep begging for subs in JP streams instead

>>81831247
>West WEEBS want CGDCT just as much as the japs
FTFY anon, west as a market is more about fleshtubers and coed interactions bc western normies love drama, Im glad Cover is not braindead enough to try to catter the big market here, the niche is fine.

>>81831915
It is better to have fans who watch you once a week, rather than unicucks, who will create drama over loosing AsMr VirGiNity on another channel.

>>81831528
Having Mori on your stream is a proven debuff. Here's people fucking off whem Mori appeared on a Minecraft stream and coming back when she left.
Bijou would probably be sitting at twice her numbers if it wasn't for Mori.

>>81831744
Homobeggars and seething trannies sub to cast a vote. Anyone can cast a vote.

>>81832259
Lmao it's a job retard. Vtubers want consistent fans who wil watch streams, supa, buy merch, attend events, and participate in promos. Beggars don't do that shit, they're not a desirable audience.

>>81832305
IRYS MINECRAFT WAS SO GOOD I WILL NEVER FORGIVE INDONESIA OR TEXAS

>>81832060
The next battle.

>>81831872
I don't think you know what crash and burn looks like

>>81831491
>Gura
need better shitposting material anon…

>>81831247
Hoeh

>>81832530
Grim

>>81831491
Subs dont mean anything. It requires zero investment or effort to sub, so every tranny and yass qweeen she drops a sub to "support the cause" but they never watch streams or spend money, so they're worthless.

>>81832442
Its a business retard, corporations do not want a fickle audience that cry to high heaven and cancel the products over perceived slights; when they can have normies who will buy in to the brand and stay loyal. Drama is bad for business, and so are you. This whole grandstanding on numbers shows how delulu you are. You're being phased out, go back to collecting pissjugs, at least those will never collab with any other males. You'll be safe from your self-inflicted sperging-out then.

>>81832515
3 view soon.
Keep botting her music and subs. You can't afford botting her ccv RUMAO.

>>81832651
>Corporations don't want an audience that spends money
>They want one who doesn't
Lmao why so poor beggar

>>81832609
CCV doesn't mean anything. It requires one retard to bot a stream to high heavens, and noone, not Cover, not Youtube gives a fuck. That would be a big hint if numbermonkeys had at least some brain.

>>81831247
BEGGARS KEEP LOSING

>>81832715
Pic unrelated? None of those were you brown unitroons.

>>81832764
Cant bot donos retard>>81832715

>>81832607
Compared to who lol
It's more ccv than ops post
And it's in Jp so alot of their viewers aren't on
Cope and seethe tranny

>>81831555
They have 4.5k viewers right now.

>>81831575
>Homobeggars are watching streams overlapping my bot farms in ccv HOW COULD THIS BE?
it's always flips kids just got back from those summer camps surviving in the jungles I mean the streets and the average incel you got home from working at Jollibee eating some 2 days old leftover chicken lunch some other of their coworkers refused to eat and they have nothing else to do but shitpost. Shitposting on this site to them is equally to American watching the NFL play offs.

>>81832820
Lmao cope

>>81831890
Not if she is smart about it. Her manager probably advises her on the possible consecuences of even acknowlodging the homos. Plus there is belief that in her PL she used to orbit around Niji for clout.
I'm 99.9% sure Raora won't betray her audience the same way ERB did.

>>81831247
They are all watching the same thing in the end, retard. Organised by Mori I presume. With a decent total ccv, considering the time and ARK overlap.

>>81832139
They made the mistake of playing with JP girls. They're cute but they can't actually compete with JPs, which is why they should stop trying to chase that audience.

>>81832820
>>81832764
>>81832860
Goddamn. Deadbeats and ERBfags seething. Maybe you should turn on their streams instead of getting this assblasted. Maybe they'll get more ccv than ID for once if you do.

>>81832941
>Watching the same content
>Choose to watch CGDCT instead of beggars despite it being the exact same contebty
So with all things being equal, CGDCT wins.

>>81832764
>Cover literally ask for CCV and not subs / followers amount in their application form
>Migo said CCV, iTunes / Spotify listens and sponsors are some of the most important metrics for a Holo to get sololive
But yeah, Cover doesn't give a fuck about CCV, clearly

>>81833011
>Choose to watch CGDCT
>despite it being the exact same content
You are terminally retarded, kys

>>81831528
I really hope vtubing is dying. The whole fandom should just kill themselves. Cringe cuckolds all of you.

>>81832651
>normies
>loyal

>>81832530
>there a more than one ark stream going on and jp mems are streaming it
I love how you fags stir drama without giving context. No shit their numbers aren't good before the nips have other people too watch and the twin schtick buff has ended. they are now used to them being together. now I am not saying they would be at 20k+ ccv. However, they would definitely be over 10k+ if there was less people streaming buff. Also, I think they are at a point where speaking JP isn't a buff to them anymore, because they sound cuter in English.

>>81833104
Seethe lmao, not gonna give any revenue to a beggar.

>>81833104
>Exact same content
But it isn't? The one in focus is a CGDCT, not a homo enabler

So this is the power of homocollabs.
Too bad Mori fucked off before she got mogged by ID again.

this unicorn angle is so effective at attacking holos, holy shit best trojan

>>81833006
so true troonicorn sissyter

>>81833364
>Worse than ID
GRIM

>>81832530
they haven't graduated yet, but they were never the same since they played mario party with mori...

>>81833392
>attacking holos
Only homo enablers, who are the minority anyway

>>81833041
>Cover literally ask for CCV in their application form
>in their application form
It is to sort 1/2/3views. An order of magnitude difference of averages. That might be relevant, not 3K vs 5K you faggots are frothing about. They can't even measure
>most important metrics for a Holo to get sololive
That's why Mori got one, right?

>>81833522
Mori also got hired by Omegay lmao

>>81833522
Mori's sololive came from UMG, anon. She herself said so before.

>>81832442
SiGMa-CaPitaList thinker. Nah business interested in stability more than money. Hololive wants to become company for normies. So they want to get rid of unicucks. How do you think all those average American citizens will react when they find out that gura is originally bait for loli lovers?

>>81833522
Mori got her sololive when she had 8k minimum every stream anon.
She's lucky if she can get 2.5k with any EN or ID overlap these days. She fell off hard. Ollie has mogged her. Fucking Ollie.

>>81833006
What is this obsession and need to make up stuff on top of it
Also I like no one brought up the current ccv cull in effect on this thread so yeah its a useless metric constantly in flux

>>81831491
>dead virtue signaling subs from culture warrior tourists
almost as worthless as twitter likes

>>81833752
Making up shit now kek

>>81833756

>>81833756
Erb is literally losing to ID right now : >>81833364
>>81833811
Cope

>>81832659
I doubt it

>>81833670
>Normalfags
>Consistent costumers

>>81833670
Gura is a gateway for newer viewers and normies, same with FWMO or Bijou for Advent.

>>81833324
Im guessing you're brain damaged or just naturally retarted, posting a pic of their ccv being higher than what op posted isnt dramatic you baffoon, I'm defending them here

>>81833874
>comparing single multi pov collab to ollie in a special event
Smartest number monkey, folks

>>81833811
NTA, but you know it's extremely to check that through the archive, right? Mori was at 8k median back then (July 2022), see picrel

>>81833670
>Businesses are interested in stability instead of money
Lol touch grass, that thinking is 50 years out of date

>>81834019
>It's not true
>Doesn't count
Cope

>>81834067 (me)
extremely easy *

>>81833874
ERB is not streaming right now, anon.

I don't watch anything with Mori, Ame, Kronii or ERB, simple as.

>>81834067
>NTA
sure thing buddy
The making up shit is about the 2k average

>>81834133
Based

>>81834130
>Erb stopped streaming since you posted that screenshot
Jesus christ is this really what you guys are resorting to now?

>>81834110
Monkey ook ook

>>81833891
yeah, all entertainment built on normies
you know why mediocre demon slayer is so popular and getting so much money? because normies watch it.
>>>>81833920
maybe, gura is supreme merchandisable material

>>81834072

>>81834279
>All entertainment is built on normies
Anon... normies don't sit down to watch anime girls play videogames on youtube for two hours a day five days a week, or send supas, or buy limited edition merch, or go to events. Theyll tune in for an episode of demon Slayer for 45 min a week at most and buy like 20$ worth of merch.

>>81834183
She stopped streaming 45 minutes ago. You're either a bot or you need mental help.

>>81834373
times changing. anime now for normies. I already see ipad kids with parents watching ADHD streams with fumamoco

>>81834463
>It doesn't count because she stopped streaming
Nta but how is this an argument, you're retarded

>>81834486
iPad kids don't buy merch or go to concerts. Cover is primarily a merch company. Any audience that isn't going to buy merch isn't their target

>>81834463
You can literally open the website qnd see how she lost to ID overlap whem she was streaming you fucking retard.
ERB and Mori lost. Unicorns won. You were warned that you would get grudgeposted once their ccv fell off. Deal with it.

I'm a DbD enjoyer but Mori and ERB attempting to be killers will be really cringe because Biboo will run their asses for all 5 gens.

>>81834279
Ultimately it's their ability to convert normies to holofans that matters most, in terms of bringing the most value to Cover. (Even if the newfag ultimately subscribes to someone else) In EN it's still Myth that's peak at doing this, but after that I'm not sure who's better at newbie baiting... might actually be Advent?

>>81834497
What are you saying doesn't count? The entire point being made is false. Moona hasn't come close to beating ERB's stream.

>>81834645
Except for here>81833364

>>81834645
>Comparing peak ccv to overlap ccv
Kek fucking retard. People started fucking off from ERBs stream as soon as it started culminating in her losing to ID.

>>81834530
yeah but their parents do. gura should be in every fucking house. it is their aim

I sometimes save thread numbers of especially retarded threads like this and look back with a hearty chuckle when Mori announces another IP collab, sponsorship, concert appearance, figurines, alcohol line etc.

>>81834736
I think you are actually talking about Biboo's stream since people did actually fuck off from her stream in massive numbers especially compared to ERB.

>>81831344
Remember when people tried to argue her being the mascot of this board?

>>81834611
Your claim is that unicorns won because ID, the ones who do the most homo collabs won? What?

>>81834774
They won't lol. Cover relies on a relatively small, dedicated audience of super fans. Mass appeal isn't something they're shooting for, or indeed have set their business up to take advantage of.

>>81835120
Did you somehow miss the very recent Dodgers collab?

>>81835171
That was hardly sustained mass appeal. For hololive that was the most Livestream we ever have been, for baseball it was just another oddball promo.

If this board had flags, 90% of this thread would be 3rd worlders. The ESL in here is palpable.

>>81835273
>if they don't have 24/7 dodgers collabs then it means they don't want mass appeal ever
Don't reply to me again imbecile.

>>81833752
Ok, I’ve let you be retarded long enough

>>81834067
What happened to Ina tho?

>>81835120
anon, every company don't wanna rely on a small, dedicated audience of super fans. We are not talking about local rock group

>>81831402
Group collabs with ERB are fine because she's such a non-factor and contributes next to nothing.

>>81832929
She literally was wet for the Holostars homos, lmao, she even made a tweet to Octavio asking him to marry her... Let's hope she leaves her thirst in private.

>>81835498
Her content drought period allowed Fauna to raise and took some takos for herself

>>81832929
>consecuences of even acknowledging the homos
there are no "consequences" lmfao. cover is a business, they want to expand their market. exclusively catering to the curmudgeon neet crybabies is not good for long term business
vt will never understand because you arent the target audience, but holostars are popular and they have a female demographic, which is worth more money per ccv

>>81836030
she didn't even erase the posts, it's so over.

>>81834611
>>81832715
Unicorns need to Superchat more. They pride themselves as the girls' wallets yet they lost to ERBfags in a multi-POV game collab stream.

>>81836256
It's not about the unicorns or the beggars, it's because she's a hag, and the stonks of those are currently on the rise.

>>81831872
>>81832305
>>81832659
>>81833364
>>81833874
Wow you're going all out today! Are you ok? Is there any reason for why you're acting more desperate than usual?

>>81831491
uh, they are? Gura/Mumei/FWMC. The only outlier is the homo queen, and that's only because ALL of Justice fucking sucks and sound like 3rd world indie who's, she's the only one with a voice that doesnt sound like garbage

>>81836256
to be fair, neither Raora nor Biboo are unicorn-oriented chuubas, they're just collectively beloved.

>>81836256
>Single stream
Now show their total SC so far. Go ahead.
Meanwhile I will show what actually matters, their merch sales, as well

>>81836412
you have to give her one thing, consistency. the wigger never stops streaming and never stops the endless shill slop. BIG ANNOUNCEMENT. SPECIAL GUEST. HUGE NEWS! TITS TITS TITS. She's a fucking clickbait farm at this point, and it works

>>81836499
Both of them are unicorn-friendly chuuba. It's easy to be an unicorn friendly chuuba - just don't interact with males outside professional activities. A girl is either unicorn-friendly or not, there isn't any in between

>>81831247
Between those four I'd pick Bijou if I want to see the least awful at the game.
I guess Raora if I wanted a cute retard.
The other two don't have a draw to pick their POV over others.

>>81836540
>subs don't matter it's views
>views doesn't matter it's supas
>supas don't matter it's merch sales I made up
What's the next cope?

>ccv this ccv that
Where are the fucking superchats unicorns?>>81836256

>>81836256
Unicorns are all bark no bite. Typical.

>>81836479
problem is that some anons are retarded enough to ignore the fact that CGDCT is not "unicorn-friendly" content, it's literally content that anyone can enjoy, unicorns and beggars alike.

>>81832929
>I'm 99.9% sure Raora won't betray her audience the same way ERB did.
To be fair, ERB didn't betray anyone; she made it clear from the beginning that she was going to lust over homos. The GOOD part about her is that she hasn't tried to drag the other girls down with her (so far) and hasn't shown any kind of entertainment value that would make Hololive fans regret her being a homocollaber.

>>81836667
>supas don't matter it's merch sales I made up
How new?
Merch sales have always been the most important metrics and the biggest source of their income - even Coco who was Holo's SC queen said so. Many Holo girls don't even bother enabling SC at times.
When it comes to revenue:
Merch > Members = SC > Ad rev; Sponsorship varies
>subs don't matter it's views
>views doesn't matter it's supas
Why do cucks love putting words in others' mouth, I wonder? People were saying that subs don't matter, CCV - CCV, not views, does. You might have an argument if you were arguing about VOD Views, but total views are affected by song views and short views, both can be effortlessly boosted (see KPop or Luxiem's fangirls' stream guideline for example).
Heck, ERB can't even beat RR and CC in total SC. GJ singling out one or two streams

>>81831402
Raora is literally married.

>>81837024
Roommate != the VTuber.

>>81836667
Sales don't matter because Mori and Suisei are the ones making the most money in hololive because of their music sales

>>81836256
>No memberships or member gifts
Why don't ERBfags want anyone to know they support their oshi?

>>81832715
>engagement bait streams
Vs.
>Just entertaining their fans.
Italians and germans know how to milk the stupid.

>>81836540
If merch actually mattered more than sc in individual streams, then CC, the girl who had the most sc, should have gotten a lot more than that right? Wtf were the unicorns thinking?

>>81837099
kek, imagine thinking people BUY music in 2024. They create music, they dont sell music.

>>81836866
But it is. Any content without males (or with males, but is part of professional activities) is unicorn-friendly content. Unicorn friendly contents can be enjoyed by everyone unless you want a dick on screen.

>>81836613
by that definition then Shiori is a unicorn-friendly chuuba, and everyone that has seen her streams knows that's not true. A unicorn-friendly chuuba is the one that enables that kind of attitude (the most obvious case in EN is Fauna to the point that she needed to address the issue), not just a girl being cute on stream, not necessarily Rushia's level of parasocialism but still.

>>81837099
Gura's merchs outsold everything Mori made from her music. We are talking about 40% cut for plenty of $1M+ waves there.

>>81836989
>both can be effortlessly boosted
>CCV
Because of course ccv can not be boosted. It's literally the most meaningless stat only numberfaggots here care about (on par with merch sales that you just pull out of your ass).

>>81837200
anon, please, don't be a retard, then every avid homocollaber stream without mentioning or showing the homos is unicorn-friendly content.

>>81837182
Merch sales don't always reflect SC strength, and vice versa. Unicorns aren't trying to make any statement or pushing any specific girl - they are just supporting the girls they want to support.

>>81837024
Keep seething nonsenses. I wont watch your homosh homo beggar.

>>81837103
Imagine being this much of a retard, kek, I won't tell you to kys because you will do so naturally due to your absolute lack of awareness.

>>81837212
Shiori IS widely accepted as an unicorn friendly chuuba. What are you talking about?
> A unicorn-friendly chuuba is the one that enables that kind of attitude (the most obvious case in EN is Fauna to the point that she needed to address the issue), not just a girl being cute on stream, not necessarily Rushia's level of parasocialism but still.
No. You are thinking about GFE chuuba. An unicorn friendly chuuba isn't a GFE chuuba.
Fauna literally is one of the pillar of HoloEN's unicorn-friendly chuuba (Gura, Fauna, Mumei, IRyS, Kiara) before Advent, even after her "not your friend" speech

>>81837099
Yeah of course, because both of them are signed under hololive music label and the hololive music label gets the bigger pie and not sony music.

>>81836540
Where the fuck are you getting these merch numbers? Narnia?

>>81837077
anon's talking about the whole Merryweather rrat.

>>81837212
Advent is unicorn friendly

>>81831872
But the total views!

>>81837539
The VOD makes money from ads, live views do not :)

In the end Mori is the one making the most money, streaming often to her loyal fanbase and the one with the lowest chances of having a bf because she's a permavirgin, meanwhile most unicorn friendly chubbas ghost their fans and actually give priority to their boyfriends/husbands/host club fuckboys, but have fun living in your fantasy world where they are totally waiting for you because they don't collab with homos.

I prefer the double hilarious moments when NijiEN beat Mori before they committed viewer suicide too.

>>81837200
Make up your fucking mind. If offical stream collusion with men are fine, then fuck off complaining about Liz, since she has to get corporate consent to crossbranch.

>>81837655

>>81837489
Anon, Merry is a literal faggot
he's admitted multiple times to being gay. Raora has mentioned living alone, and right now, she has Kobo staying over. They haven't interacted for about three years. What kind of rrat is this?

>>81837445
Okay, I concede, I will accept your definition of "unicorn-friendly", but it also means that now I can only see every unicorn as deranged schizos. I don't like the homos, honestly, but I don't mind when one of the girls does a homocollab, I just don't watch it.
> An unicorn friendly chuuba isn't a GFE chuuba
As I said, then why the fuck are the schizoids feeling "betrayed" if the content wasn't even GFE or enabling them, but just regular content? kek, lmao even

>>81835120
>Cover relies on a relatively small, dedicated audience of super fans
Yes, that's the point of expanding, genius. This is a bad thing that can't be relied on.
Why do you think they even care about "number go up"?

>>81837347
I guess the only ones trying to push some kind of statement are the numbermonkeys, which is stupid because despite their constant numberfagging trying to bring the others down, the girls themselves are doing pretty well.

>>81837655
>>81837698
Her getting mogged by nijiEN was hilarious. But nothing will ever top her moving her stream ahead of Gura's and still having people fuck off to Gura's stream.

>>81832305
to be fair i can't stomach a double homobegger team of Mori and ERB
so even though my oshi CC is there.
i'm gonna skip.

>>81837400
Anon, they were shitposting....

>>81837920
Didn't she move a recent stream because it would have had her compete against the Nintendo Direct?

>>81837674
ERB is a homobeggar who constantly brings them up in solo streams. She is not unicorn friendly.

>>81837655
>>81837698
Grim

>>81837797
I know, I was just saying that >>81837024 was referring to the rrat that says they were both married, due to them having similar things in their photos in their room in Japan and the close dates of their traveling/moving tweets.

>>81837814
>why the fuck are the schizoids feeling "betrayed"
>schizoids
Here's your answer

>Why are Mori and ERB less popular than the other members?

Gee, I dunno, maybe it's because they both fucking suck ass at streaming?

>>81837920
For you

>>81837976
>Literally says why she moved her stream in chat on the acreenshot
Gaslighting deadbeats are reaching levels of cope that shouldn't even be possible.

>>81836191
>holostars are popular and they have a female demographic
>which is worth more money per ccv
Pretending to be a retard isn't cool you know.

>>81838037
Fair enough, sad that it took me this long to understand that unicorns are all schizoids... Unless there are fucking levels of fucking unicorns now.

>>81837814
Nta but it was never about gfe this is all about control you don't care about the homos and you don't tune in when the girls feature them that's the normal way to go about it. The people you're arguing with think they can dictate content because they feel they're owed something because of a donation as a result a lot of them want to turn hololive into their personal chaturbate session.

>>81838011
>less then 10 minutes into the stream
Do you keep an entire collection of these?
>>81835449 is all you need to know, even if you care about meaningless numbers. Now fuck off.

>>81836328
But I thought it was the Christmas cake women that are popular.

>>81838134
NTA but no one can fucking agree on what a unicorn is so yes, there are levels to this.
Anyone who is arguing about this shit in the catalog is usually on one of the far ends of the spectrum compared to even most "unicorns"

>>81838213
Stop getting mad at facts.

>>81838213
>Do you keep an entire collection of these?
I recognize the poster, he's a Morischizo who got chased out of /#/ to the point where he posts most of his numbershit on the catalog instead

>>81837655
>>81837698
>>81837920
>mori antis are nijisisters

>>81838372
>Coping this hard
They're both awful and you're awful for liking either.

>>81837481
NTA, but likely from Holoshop and Geekjack themselves? The way to datamine them is pretty well known by now

I'm glad I can enjoy this hobby and see talents I like be happy.
>inb4 "I enjoy watching others fail"
Which is the saddest outlook one can have in life. Speaks a lot about one's worldviews.

>>81838428
Posting Mori numbers out of context won’t bring back your favorite corpo back sister

>>81838134
Anon, isn't it late in SEA? Just go to bed. You're being retarded as fuck.

>>81838428
Still better than the dogs.
You can get these "facts" for anyone. Just fuck off.

>>81836569
To be fair having names like lotus juice on albums and her recent collabs have been pretty big. But yeah seeing the words big news and huge announcement over and over is tiresome

>>81837814
>As I said, then why the fuck are the schizoids feeling "betrayed" if the content wasn't even GFE or enabling them, but just regular content?
Now that is an issue, anon. You seem to be misunderstanding, but there are only a small part of unicorns that are on that level of schizos. Most of them just quietly leave because the contents aren't what they look for and the VTuber isn't one they want to support anymore.
For example, Kronii lost thousands viewers compared to her peak, but you don't think there are thousands schizos attacking her, do you?

>>81838307
>Facts are a schizo taking screenshots of Mori stream numbers out of context to push his retarded agenda rather than a chart showing a true median peak average of EN over the last 6 months
Ogey

>>81838490
>Fake deadbeat insulting Mori's friends in Nijisanji

>>81838307
Who exactly are you trying to fool? Anyone can go to vrabi and check those streams. Not like it really matters though, your spamming is never going to change anything
>>81836412

>>81838585
>>81838684
>Deflecting now
Why are you attacking the Dogs now?
>>81838679

>>81831402
oh i thought i recognized this image
stop shitposting in /baubau/ you faggot

>>81837986
There are ERB solo streams that are homo-free... Are those unicorn-friendly even tho it's from a homoloving whore?

>>81838715
>why are you doing the same thing I’m doing, stop that!
Kek retard

>>81838490
>>81838372
Your shit oshi would be sad if she heard you shittalk her BFFs.

>>81838620
>Kronii lost thousands viewers compared to her peak
Almost every holoEN lost thousands viewers compared to their peak, this has nothing to do with unikeks, don't fool yourself.

>>81838814
>N-n-n-no u...
LMAO

>>81831491
I believe we just had a thread the other day about people subbing to Elizabeth just to support their side of the “culture war”. It’s, uh, not a good look.

>>81838815
Nah my oshi wouldn’t give a fuck. I don’t think Mori would care either.

>>81832259
Ehhhh, let’s not pretend people who hate unicorns aren’t the cause for a lot of drama either. Unicorn drama is actually much rarer, unless you count Nijisanji’s sisters as of late.

>>81831247
>sub 5k
Goddam western Vtubing is dead. Now it is a miracle for any new vtuber to reach 1 million after FWMC. And honesly, them reaching 1m is a miracle itself.

>>81838841
Jewish behavior

>>81838802
Depends. Solo contents made by homo enablers aren't unicorn friendly by default. Group contents with her, and without males, might still be unicorn-friendly (that doesn't mean unicorns have to watch them, of course).

>>81831247
I wanna diddle Biboo

>>81838981
get in line

>>81838715
It's hilarious how you always run away whenever you receive any kind of push back. You're not going to stop Mori from getting views just because you post random stream graphs that you edited

>>81838834
>Ignore how Mori and ERB (despite this. being her fucking debut month) are now a borderline 3 view yet everyone else isn't

>>81838620
Dude everybody lost a couple of thousands viewers compared to their peak. The pandemic boom is over, the vtubing bubble has already burst.

>>81839030
>borderline 3 view
ahem

>>81839008
>A-all those graphs of her almost reaching 3 view statuts are f-f-fake
3 view for 20 fucking minutes RUMAO. Gaslight harder.
https://vrabi.net/video/vE2CsGBNyLs

It really is shocking to see threads like this talk about numbers which they have no idea about after being on /#/ for so long. At least anons there know the context behind these numbers, but catalog niggers just see shit and make up their own conclusions, it's insane.

>>81837920
>Mori's stream ends.
>Gura's stream begins.
>Anon thinks people abandoned Mori's stream for Guras when they migrated from an ending to a beginning.
Such retarded loop jumping is astounding.

I dunno what's more pathetic, this dude still making those threads or him botting Kiara streams to not be the first one to hit 3view status and killing his shitposting

Is Mori still hanging out with those Twitch fags? If not, I'll watch her stream next time.

>>81839146
Not like context in /#/ makes it better, considering it's still brainless monkeys doing the "analysis"

>>81839162
Anon you can clearly see on the timeline that Mori's stream lasted longer than 2 hours and that she lost viewers to GURA'S FUCKING WAITING ROOM as soon as it went up. Are you implying she played the game for a little over 1 hour then had a blank screen for 5 fucking hours?
Your gaslighting is fucking pathetic KEK

>>81838834
Untrue, at least for the Council / Promise girls. You can take a look at their graphs yourself.
Mumei, IRyS and Fauna all got their new highest average this year (not counting the debut period for obvious reason) and inclined to various extents. Kronii has been trending downwards for a long while.

>>81831247
the West has more trannies, so you'd expect them to embrace CGDCT even more.

>>81839223
>Pivoting to Fuwamoco didn't work
>Pivoting to nijisanji didn't work
>K-k-kiara
Projection.

>>81839138
Oh so NOW you're ok with posting vrabi links
>>81837539
https://vrabi.net/video/yno-1WeSufA
>>81837698
https://vrabi.net/video/cSEytOIE3Es
You can't run away now. You always cut the stream to make it look worse than it is and expect no one to call out your bullshit. Your pathetic temper tantrums will never amount to anything because she'll always be one of if not the most viewed EN every month

>>81832305
>Mori's stream starts all the deadbeats leave to watch her
>Mori's stream abruptly ends, all the deadbeats come back to figure out what's going on
WHERE COULD THESE VIEWERS HAVE GONE??
God this shit is so embarrassingly stupid

>>81838834
>>81839063
NTA, she definitely lost more than everyone else in her gen. She was first in almost every metric, now she's definitely not.

>>81839468
20
Minutes
Of 3 view status

>>81839468
Interesting botting lines Mori gets.

>>81839468
>Bot lines
Damn just like her vods.

>>81839518
I accept your concession :)

>>81839468
LMAO lil bro thought he was cooking

Holoantis really going hard on the unicorn angle huh?

>>81839764
not my fault it works so well :^)

>>81839620
Thanks for showing yet another example of a stream being botted. Still won't change her views though

>>81839764
So true, sister. Keep trying to defend ERB like you claimed, you aren't going to damage Hololive that easily

>>81839764
>>81839868
Seething samefagging deadbeat. Try being less obvious with your false flag. First you got BTFO and now you're whining about antis.

>>81839453
That’s not what projection means, learn English

>>81831247
Just give Jap (now Hazuki) more power over EN branch. Omega is already gone, now let Jap replace the gook guy

>>81840027
You haven't BTFO anyone. All you did was prove that CCV is worthless, killing your entire argument

>>81839894
>>81840372
>Deadbeats start anti'ing Kiara after anti'ing Fuwamoco even though nobody mentioned Kiara
KEK seething.

>>81839341
They did all lose thouthands of viewers compared to their peak though. It is on your graph in 2023. Kronii wasn't even hit the hardest, it was Mumei (did I miss her homocollabs?). That some of them got a rebound later on is another question that definitely can not be attributed to unicorns.
>Kronii has been trending downwards for a long while.
That is also not true from your graph. It is pretty stable since December 2022.

>>81840443
Everyone knows you’re a KFP, you’ve been doing this shit for years schizo

There is never any actual argument. It's only ever seething and Holo vs Holo, pretending arbitrary metrics prove "success" and only applying them to the streamers they side with. While conveniently ignoring when the "other side" is doing well based on that same criteria.

>>81831247
I'm not watching that piece of shit game

>>81840443
I'm not anti'ing Kiara, I'm just showing you more examples of streams being botted since you decided to make that a part of your argument. Is that it? You're just going to deflect and run away now?

>>81840372
>>81839894
>>81832259
>>81831555
>>81840581
>>81840612
>Deadbeats hate other Hololive members
And there it is. Shit on fuwamoco some more I'm sure it'll improve Mori's ccv.

>>81840738
Seething about Mori every day isn't going to stop her from getting views, schizochama. Are you going to run away and cry in another catalog thread now?

>>81840537
That's not true, though.
Mumei's highest average peak in 2023 was 11,041. Her highest average peak in 2024 (until now) was 13,750. Similarly, both Fauna and IRyS got higher average peaks this year.
Moreover, in general (not just the peak), they inclined.
How did they lose thousands viewers? If anything, Mumei inclined the most.
Being lower than last year peak isn't the same as losing thousands viewers because, as you can see, viewerships go up and down from month to month (there are months with more events than other) so you have look at their highest peak and their overall (over a year) average.
>That is also not true from your graph. It is pretty stable since December 2022.
Well, yeah, her male collabs happened in Sep 2022, and rather than being stable, it was a slow decline.
To make it even more simple for you, here are their average viewerships over the year:
(Format: VTuber: 2022 Average -> 2023 Average -> 2024 YTD Average)
>Mumei: 8,183 -> 8,077 -> 11,166
>Fauna: 7,183 -> 7,566 -> 9,711
>IRyS: 6,533 -> 6,413 -> 8,218
>Kronii: 7,076 -> 5,940 -> 5,751
>Bae: 5,809 -> 4,899 -> 5,812
Kronii is the only one among Promise whose average has been going down notably there.

>>81838834
Unicorns often exaggerate their influence but several HoloEN talents completely stopped collabing with Holostars. Liz hosting a HoloPro collab was unusual since that that is now rare for the EN branch. Management has pissed off the EN talents so badly that it's the JP branch that has more unity.

>>81841444
>>81841444
>several HoloEN talents completely stopped collabing with Holostars
The only one you could argue "stopped" is Ame but she barely streams at all. Mori and Kronii don't do it anymore because Magni and Vesper fucked off, Bae still does just usually not with ENs. The rest never did. Objectively unikeks didn't influence anything.

>deadbeat defense force woke up and is leaving all the anti Fuwamoco shit up
Never change faggot.

>>81838681
Don't want people to see it?

>>81841196
based numbergod

>>81833364
You going to ignore that ERB got a consistent 5k for her stars collab? To put that in perspective Biboo was doing 5.5k for her recent New Vegas stream.

>>81837400
I can tell you're a beggar but you're so used to arguing against CCV. Supporting the boys must be so draining. If only you actually watched them.

>>81841196
>her male collabs happened in Sep 2022
So her male collabs made all of them drop 2K+ ccv? Reasonable. Mumei went from 9-10K to 5-7K for more than half a year, similar with the rest. That is not "from month to month". Have you considered there are other factors affecting this much stronger than the male collabs?
But you either already know and prefer to ignore that or are geniunly too retarded for data analysis like most /#/.

>>81836256
Why would you donate to a collab stream?
Usually the girls are busy or they don't bother to do Superchat thanking afterwards, so it's just wasted money.

>>81842388
NTA, /#/fag here
Most /#/ posters know that Kronii's numbers were already going down before the homo shit and have more to do with her inconsistency and shit content choice than anything else
Stop arguing with catalog numberfags because they're even dumber than the ones in /#/

>>81838930
People are just done with hololive, too boring

>>81832060
Waffles of course. Also ive been to a waffle house like 3x in my life.

>>81842913
Ok, gonna trust you on this

>>81842388
>So her male collabs made all of them drop 2K+ ccv?
I don't know if you are just being stubborn or if you truly don't know how to read graphs.
I will try again one last time, then. There are strong periods and weak periods for Holos, depends on the nature of their contents (i.e: months with anniversary or birthday, for example, tend to go strong because they are full of buffed contents, months when they have to spend more time off-stream for Holoworks tend to do worse). Those tend to form up and down patterns as you can see on the graph. That's why I said you can't compare month to month, or strong period to weak period, and claim that they dropped viewers. You can, however, compare year to year, that's why I showed you their yearly average in >>81841196.
While Mumei, Fauna and IRyS experienced either minimal change between 2022 and 2023 (i.e 8,1813 -> 8,077 for Mumei, a mere 106 viewers difference), Kronii was dropping slightly more than a thousand and she is still dropping (the only one who dropped between 2023 yearly average to 2024 YTD average, the others 3 gained several thousands)
>Have you considered there are other factors affecting this much stronger than the male collabs?
Oh, sure there might be. Feel free to enlighten me, then. What kind of factors were those? Why didn't they affect Fauna, IRyS or Mumei? Why have those 3 been inclining while Kronii, who started out strong, couldn't? Kronii's contents are still more or less the same - do you think a bunch of Kronii's viewers / paypigs just decided to pack up and leave?

>>81842624
Because Elizabeth reads every superchat during her rabbit streams. She likes to give appreciation to every fan who superchats

>>81843072
Cheers. Fwiw I'm fairly certain it's a jilted ex-Kronie or something similar because he always focuses on Kronii.

>>81842913
>Making up shit about /#/
Not the other guy but this is pathetic

>>81842913
Honestly, its this. She had long gaps of no streams, or contact, and her type of games are niche at best

>>81842913
Number trannies are phasecuck boyfriend connect brown and ESL phaesejanny sea monkeys.

>>81842947
This Hololive is fucking boring now.

>>81843113
Fauna grew strong mindshare in an unattended timeslot during extended absences from Ina, Ame and Gura who usually rounded out the hours where she streams most commonly - she did her due diligence and through delivering consistent and varied content, she grew a strong and loyal audience, while her time slot remained relatively uncontested until recently (but her weaker showings got masked by the fact her new EU kohai like to redirect to her)
Mumei retains high average due to majority of her streams being currently karaoke after long absences, her gaming streams don't and never did amazing but she has a good timeslot for receiving raids from other Promise and Advent members ending so that worked to patch those up a bit
IRyS is in similar situation but for her it's more of a regular timeslot so she doesn't really hits the same highs as Mumei outside of special occasions, but her gaming streams generally also don't dip so low until recently due to YouTube fuckery

in stark Kronii doesn't do much singing, her absences tend to be multi-day breaks rather than big gaps like Mumei (which puts off people that watch regularly but doesn't attract event tourists), her game choices were always fairly unpopular indie games - leading to a consistent bleed of viewership that sometimes gets patched up by a SNOT or Promise collab that reminds people she can be incredibly entertaining in a group
and then they don't really get the same experience in her solo streams and dip out
if anything is a fallout of Kronii's "controversies", it's the merch sales because those depend heavily on the most invested viewers or casuals trying to buy into the hobby - former were scared off by her mishandling of the drama, latter - by her baseline content being non-mainstream

>>81833257
You are on vt bro...

>>81836540
>ERB made 63 less sales in total than Cecilia even though they all made 1000+ sales each, therefore shes a complete failure

>>81831870
Why are her tits in her neck?

>>81839096
What is this supposed to show? Viewers coming in during the first 7 mins of a stream where the intro screen is showing? Or did you grab a Niji chart to try and pass it off as ERB’s?

>>81832060
I've never had any... and I'm 33..

>>81844087
Those are her headphones

>>81841196
Streamers who don’t stream constantly or consistently do get higher peaks when they do a “return stream”, yes.

>>81843667
>she has a good timeslot for receiving raids from other Promise and Advent
Mumei shares the same timeslot as IRyS and Kronii. This isn't some advantage Mumei has and Kronii doesn't.
>her gaming streams don't and never did amazing
Her recent games were OW2 and Doom, all of them did better than majority of Kronii's streams. It's true that her gaming streams don't do as well as her karaoke, relatively, but she is still way ahead of Kronii's.
>in stark Kronii doesn't do much singing
Kronii has been singing once a month for months. That's roughly the same as IRyS and Mumei who usually do 1-2 karaoke streams a month
>her game choices were always fairly unpopular indie games
This is true, but it doesn't explain her drop in viewerships - her game choices have always been this bad. It's not something new that just pop'd up late 2022.
For example, a quick look at Kronii's streams in June 2022 showed a bunch of kusoge with one exception of the Animal Party collab - that didn't stop that month from having notably higher average than Kronii's 2024 YTD average
While we are at it
>Kronii's stream consistency
She was never as inconsistent as Mumei in her college arc, like now for example. In fact, the only months in 2023 Kronii streamed as little as Moom current does were Feb and March, 2 out of 12.
I have nothing against Kronii like the other guy claimed, but there is nothing Kronii was doing uniquely wrong compared to other girls or herself early on. Claiming that homo collabing didn't cause her downfall is just incorrect

Man, its been really funny as a unicorn watching people falseflag. I don't care that Elizabeth is in the collab. I'm not schizo enough to pretend she doesn't exist. I'm just not going to support or watch her. Its really that easy. I was there for CC and Biboo and they had fun with Liz there. That's all I want.

>>81844062
No one said she was "a complete failure". Just that she clearly isn't beating other girls. CC might be close to ERB in merch sales, but she trounced the later in SC. GG might be a bit behind ERB in SC, but she obliterated her in merch sales.
For how much homo-collabers claim to support ERB and that homo-collabing didn't hurt her, numbers don't seem to support that. With her singing skills (and how often she sings), you'd expect her to be among the top half of her gen, not competing with GG to see who the runt will be

>>81844429
ERB isn't lagging because of homo collabs, ERB is lagging because she's boring. Of course ERB fans will never say she's boring and you're obsessed with homos so you'll keep blaming the homos but I'm fairly sure my take is the closest to correct.

>>81838974
Lord take your meds anon

>>81844583
You aren't wrong. However, I'll bet that even if ERB is boring, if she was unicorn-friendly, she'd have performed better - not the star of her gen, mind you, but at least safely in the middle of the pack at least.
Being unicorn friendly doesn't guarantee that you will be successful, but it does provide a boost. Trying to deny that is just dumb

>>81844757
>it does provide a boost.
It doesn't. Trying to deny that is just dumb.

>>81844757
if being unicorn friendly provided a boost Kiara's merch sales would perform higher than homo collabers like Mori.
ERB is just a boring bitch that's all there is to it. homo collab or not she'd still be a merch runt because her appeal is low except to karaoke tourists.

>>81843667
this is a fair assessment

>>81835102
Kaela doesn't do homocollabs, Moona does them rarely, Kobo does them as a little sister character and Anya with her banter is more like a brotuber (female). A stark difference to Mori and ERB who salivate at the prospect of male collabs.

>>81845039
Explain how majority of top Holo members (EN + JP) are unicorn-friendly, while some of the biggest falls in viewerships recently (within the last 1-2 years) came from homo-collabers, then. Surely it can't be just a coincidence?
>>81845208
It provides a boost, it doesn't guarantee success. Kiara is Kiara, if she wasn't unicorn friendly chances are she would perform even worse

>>81839983
>you aren't going to damage Hololive that easily
Right back at (you), you can pretend to be a unicorn all you want even the unicorns themselves dont accept the schizo part of their faction as their own, so you falseflagging as one of them really does nothing.

>>81845427
It's a combination of very loose definition of "unicorn-friendly" that somehow still includes Pekora and Koyori, wishful thinking in the "biggest falls" part and some impressive mental gymastics like "Kiara is Kiara" or >>81845249.
Basically delusion fueled confirmation bias for the most part. And some coincidences yes, that also happens believe it or not.

>>81832259
Imagine being that retarded. Get a job anon, no one in the business world thinks like that

>>81842947
>>81843509
Then what the fuck are you two doing here?

>>81844429
You dumbfucks need to stop latching onto the mon-debut stream, since Raora and Cecilia were farming the fuck out of their flocks of sheep.

>>81847715
To reply to the thread with a reasonable argumentation.

>>81831247
Sorry mamma I skipped this stream,cause of that erb whore

>>81835092
she clearly is. There are dozens of threads about her every single day. This is a red board now

>>81831402
I watched the stream. Erb barely talk. It's like she's not even there.

>>81848941
She is retarded pls understand

>>81845249
>A stark difference to Mori and ERB who salivate at the prospect of male collabs.
stop dipping into your fanfiction anon.

>>81848973
i love retarded women. subbed.

>>81843862
I hope you die, retard.

>>81844299
>Mumei shares the same timeslot as IRyS and Kronii. This isn't some advantage Mumei has and Kronii doesn't.
no, Mumei usually starts a bit later and the girls appear to be more eager to raid her (or IRyS) over Kronii in general, for whatever reason, so it ends up working to Mumei's advantage more than Kronii's
and if you remark that maybe the homocollabs made the branch distance itself from Kronii, I could promptly remind that both Bae and Mori get about the same amount of raids as Mumei

>Her recent games were OW2 and Doom, all of them did better than majority of Kronii's streams. It's true that her gaming streams don't do as well as her karaoke, relatively, but she is still way ahead of Kronii's.
bringing up OW2 is already pretty dishonest as far as solo content comparisons go when they were attended by Gura or Justice, meanwhile DOOM streams were fairly consistently raided (aside from some that were also botted earlier on)

>Kronii has been singing once a month for months. That's roughly the same as IRyS and Mumei who usually do 1-2 karaoke streams a month
I admit, the recent regularity escaped me, but it appears it is a development from this year more or less, and even more so of recent months (since around the outfit reveal), but her brand is in no comparable degree as strongly associated with karaoke as these two

>For example, a quick look at Kronii's streams in June 2022 showed a bunch of kusoge with one exception of the Animal Party collab - that didn't stop that month from having notably higher average than Kronii's 2024 YTD average
and I'm saying that the continued insistence on unpopular game choices is in fact what keeps the numbers dropping - less popular streams > less entrances into the algorithm > less popular streams, it's a self-enforcing mechanism, once you start going down it's only harder to go up and vice versa (which is why once Fauna got into the algorithm through her consistency, even when Japan arcs made her a bit less consistent, her channel only grew stronger)

>Claiming that homo collabing didn't cause her downfall is just incorrect
I think claiming that when her viewership was already dropping is in fact being either ignorantly or maliciously incorrect. As I mentioned, the thing that's more strongly associated with the controversy is the merch sales drops, because those things are enjoyed by people most strongly affected by controversy - gachis and consooming casuals

the tl;dr of all this is that streamers are generally not that affected by their choices in collabs, even in Holo - you live and die by your solo content by the end of the day

>>81831402
you can watch it anon, ERB is a dead fish in collabs and she maybe only spoke up like 3 times in the whole collab

>>81836256
these kinds of streams don't invite superchats too much

>>81831247
I think people don't take into account the fact that retards make puppet accounts to boost sub numbers to own X group, do you really think when vtubers do their karaokes til X sub mark it's actually new people discovering them?

>>81831247
>ERB
>Raora
>Mori
Holy debuff. Biboo and CC deserve better than this

>>81837797
>He doesn't know

>>81842126
They gotta censor inconvenient truths