/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>81255704
buy an ad

>>81255704
I really hope she didn't turn away the opportunity of her lifetime

>5th
But Justice is a 3-mem gen...

>>81255704
vshojo already poached him

Why didn't she join justice bros? We could have had even more phasefriends in hololive!

>>81255704
So the Holo rrats are true after all?

>>81255814
Because Seth.

>>81255704
Rrats confirmed. Grimmi ran away from the Holocucks. Feels good to be a NijiGAWD

>>81255818
I mean, nothing else made sense.

>>81256004
NijiEN made sense at first, until Seth's bullshit came to light.

>>81256049
qrd on the "seth bullshit"?

>>81256049
I guess. With time it kept getting debunked tho - like 8 characters vs 9 in shondo's hint, Grimmi straight up confirming it wasn't niji and most recent hint being that Denauth was already signed in December 2023 (that's when Twisty privated her old videos).

>>81256089
Nour inspects your dick for cheese. If you are american you are subjected to extra inspections, but if you are cheesy of peepee she sends you to be circumcized and has a mohel suck the blood out of hte wound (marking you as a nijisanji slave).

>>81256109
have you heard about NDAs

>>81256089
search for MSM in the archives. but short story is that Seth made a company like Mythic that manages talents but it actually wasn't a registered company and scammed a bunch of liggers

Why would the Selen shokku make her quit Justice?

>>81256089
Where do I even begin.
>>76839202
Probably the quickest QRD, but there's a lot more.

>>81256191
Yeah but you clearly haven't read up on them much.

>>81256191
Sure, i'm not allowed to talk about applying for a company but i'm allowed to go on stream and disavow and badmouth it? Really?

She’s probably just taking a stab at a common rrat. If not, she drew the short end of the stick after thinking she’d won. Never listen to Shondo.

>>81256154
Where do I sign up?

>>81256237
She's retarded

>>81256237
It made her reconsider if corpo life is really for her. Yes, Nijisanji and Hololive are wildly different but there still are some similarities.
You have to take into account that Grimmi isn't some starving 2view relying on a break out in a corpo, she's doing perfectly fine as a big indie. Corpo would be more money but it would definitely be a lot more stress.
IMO what happened is she was always torn on whether she should do it or not but after Selen Shock the worries won out. She probably contacted people behind the scenes and focused too much on negative aspects.

>>81256237
hololive is a corpo too

>>81256280
Shondo gave us Fauna and Cecilia, her taste is impeccable.

>>81256280
If she joins Vshojo she'll unironically have a better time than Holo.
I'm pretty sure she talked to someone like Kronii who told her about the perms issue which would suck for someone like her who's primary content is playing horror and retro games

>>81255818
her "work history" pretty much excludes her from HoloEN, now if she spoke Japanese they wouldn't care, but that isn't the case

>>81256353
so she got gaslighted into burning her golden ticket

Grimmi gave up golden ticket for hot sauce company that never existed. Point and laugh.

>>81256420
sometimes, people really do get what they deserve

>>81256109
Also the fact that she was more popular than most nijis. Anything but hololive would have been a step down.

>>81256387
Yeah it really depends on who she talked with. Someone like Biboo would be full of praises but someone like Kronii not so much. Interesting you bring up Kronii specifically, I could see her being the one who Grimmi contacted given her involvement in the scene.

>>81256353
So she was saved from getting devoured by Holofags then if she gets terminated or graduates, they'd continue to harass her and call her a menhera slut. She did good

>>81256420
I wouldn't be able to watch her, every time I hear her voice I remember that NTR shit she voiced that I found here, and everytime I hear her I just can't take her seriously, I'm sure she is entertaining though. Voice actor my ass lmao

>>81256441
>menhera slut
I mean, that's not exactly an inaccurate label for her

>>81255704
Hot sauce girl.

>>81256435
Oh yeah, that too. She's big enough that only Hololive and vshojo could be viable options for her but vshojo doesn't require graduating first so really, Hololive was the only possible option.

>>81256406
>her "work history" pretty much excludes her from HoloEN
lol. lmao

>>81255704
GRIMMI YOU FUCKING IDIOT, THESE FAGGOTS ARE CALLED RETARDS FOR A REASON, THEY STILL WILL THINK THAT YOU WERE THE FIFTH JUSTICE MEMBER NO MATTER WHAT

>>81256484
can you link it

>>81256521
I want to drink her sauce while she's playing horror games.

>>81256484
jesus

>>81256420
she is joining vshojo soon so its worth it

>>81256549
>The average anon is dumber than the girl without a piece of brain
Grim

>>81256496
They're already doing it and she didn't even join. They can't help themselves

>>81256557
I don't save that shit, it's repulsive, hit up the archive, it was how not to summon demon lord, if that's how anime was called, you can try just looking at rule34. Got fat bastard and all.

>>81256613
Femanon...

>>81256613
is this the power of the GDF?

No wonder Shondo was so elated to have her back. She also turned down a previous offer from them.

>>81256660
Shondo has good understanding of who's a great fit for Hololive and who would actually feel constrained there.

>>81256438
I don't think even someone like Biboo would say it's all positives. Despite Anon's opinions here, we really don't know how management is behind the scenes. It's obviously a lot better than Niji otherwise there'd be more graduations, but for someone who's used to having creative freedom like Grimmi even some of the minor problems might have been dealbreakers for her

>>81256660
>thinking Shondo of all people would pass through any round of Holo auditions

>>81256722
she manages her mental illness better than 90% of the board

>>81256700
her streams are over 50% mindless talking, Grimmi would be Shiori 2 and they already have a Shiori

I hope Lolina joins EN6. Make it happen Shondo.

>>81256722
Yes, she did. She's more than qualified enough but she has other issues that make her incompatible with a corpo.

>>81256722
>he doesn't know

>>81256756
Shondo would be RushiaEN, in more ways than one

>>81256722
I don't really care about Shondo. Just throw us more of her friends and I'm good.

>>81256748
man imagine if advent was a 3/4 like justice

>>81256748
if Shiori had a voice as nice as Mumei's

>>81256837
You are gay

>>81255704
what the fuck is this thread even about?

>>81256881
>he doesn't know

>>81256881
Every thread is about holo.

>>81255818
yes, just like the Biden joining holostars rrats

>>81256955
So what corpo was she joining, genius?

>>81256955
Do you think he could save their popularity? What was his ccv usually?

>>81256955
Biden joining holostars is more realistic.

>>81256988
biden streamed on cable so probably at least a couple million ccv every time

>get's convinced to abandon the chance of a lifetime because the Universal Credit leech that groomed you says 'corpos BAD'

Lol, Lmao

>>81257285
>Shondo saved Grimmi
Thank God. Either she appeased the unicucks or she'd be harassed endlessly. She'd get spat out of she ever felt like quitting too. Corpo brainwashed faggots would have eaten her alive

>>81255818
True from day 1.
She was way too big for Niji, Shondo heavily hinted it was Holo and she announced graduation in the same time period as s0ya and yunii.
Holobronies just don't like hearing that someone might not accept their supposed paradise as it rocks their foundation.

>>81255704
Eh, I can see what she was trying for but kinda misses, mostly because Joe is shit tier and would join Niji and not Holo. Trump would obviously be PC.

>>81257417
Trump is obviously applying for Niji, stop your cope. Biden is joining the Vshoujoe retirement home

>>81257407
>Holobronies just don't like hearing that someone might not accept their supposed paradise as it rocks their foundation
While this may be true, there's a lot that points out that she did not pull out of her own volition. Seth most likely threatened her somehow.

>>81257478
As much ad I don't like Trump the guy can get views, and at this point Niji can't so there'sno way he'd join them. I don't think he'd be accepted in Vshojo which is why I said PC. Biden in Vshojo I can kinda see. Kamala in Vallure?

>>81257558
>As much ad I don't like Trump
Why? He is a great entertainer

>>81255814
watch her streams, all the holo pressure would end up killing her

>>81257558
Trump has a penis and has a lot of yumes, he's perfect for Niji. Kamala would join Idol, she seems to get along with Israelites very well

>>81257601
I can't get over how badly he handled the whole Covid arc.

>>81257770
Honestly, anyone would fuck it up.

>>81257601
not watching your homo not matter how hard you beg

>>81257417
Trump would found his own corpo like Riifu with VAllure.

>>81256593
She applied but it's not a guarantee they'll take her. She has some qualities that may give her an advantage though, like being one of the few 4views with no ties to any members.

>>81257883
Honestly he should and have it be good enough to rival Holo while campaigning, imagine all the heads exploding.

>>81257558
>Kamala in Vallure?
Heels up, Harris.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-kamala-harrisandwillie-brownhad-a-relationshipover-adecadeafte-idUSKBN26Y2RJ/

>>81257407
>same time period
just like Reiny and Shizukou who ended up in HoloEN right?

>>81257884
Yeah, but Mouse followed her while she was streaming, so that makes her an orbiter or whatever -leech spergs

Being a streamer is not enough to work in hololive. They have to do idol things as well, and not everyone can handle that.

>>81255814
gura said no to have 2/5 gen

>>81258131
anon... mouse follows so many people. It always end in "drama" when someone she followed 5 years ago does something stupid. She just learned to not accept everyone friend invites.

>>81256603
mi

>>81255744
fpbp

>>81255704
who

>>81256955
>Politician so he's used to talking and telling stories
>Rich so he doesn't need to care about money
>Have experience navigating the politic minefield so he knows to respect the lines
>All his mentally aged moments can be chalked to "being pon"
I unironically might watch Holostars if he joins. Old man seems to have what it takes to be a decent zatsu chuuba

>>81256004
The bait and switch for attention theory still checks out.

>>81260518
All those AI president lets play videos weren't based on thin air.

>>81256484
Her voice is used in hentai ads to this day

>>81256004
just like nothing else made sense besides niji, right
rratmancers piss me off and I'm tired of people using grimmi as a tool for their shitposting

>>81260740
Retard. You falling for nijinigger lies doesn't mean every post is false. Use your brain if you have one.

>>81260518
>Old man seems to have what it takes to be a decent zatsu chuuba
Minus the ability to speak

>pretends to graduate to get more numbers
>it unironically works
>both her "friends" and viewers shower her with support for being "brave"
People on twitch must unironically derive pleasure from being manipulated

>>81261197
She didn't pretend to graduate though. There was intent and then she pulled out at the last minute because she's retarded. Personally I'm glad she did, I love Justice but the fans are retarded as usual.

>>81260518
finally holo will be able to compete with vshojo in the sleep stream category

>>81261197
holoprojection

>>81261197
>People on twitch must unironically derive pleasure from being manipulated
Ironmouse

>>81260518
make it happen Yagoo!

>>81255818
>So the Holo rrats are true after all?
No, they're not.
Justice was always meant to be a four member gen all along, simply because Fuwamoco counts as one channel.

>>81261571
lol
lmao

>>81261197
>People on twitch must unironically derive pleasure from being manipulated
Nyanners

>>81261571
so true brother and that one nijimale gen was always supposed to be 3 guys

>>81261737
>that one nijimale gen
I don't watch nijiniggers so I don't know what you are talking about sister.

>>81255818
I still see no reason to believe this besides shitposters wanting it to be true so they can shitpost about it
Say what you will but it would take a truly unfathomable level of retardation and terminal catalog brain to turn down an offer from hololive

>>81257945
Trump would make every talent stream with a Trump model (even the female talents), it'll get some initial hype then silently die out a few months later.

>>81261833
i don't either and i know about it from the catalog. maybe if you were here instead of your dox site you would know. get exposed, idiot.

>>81261860
The only people who don't believe it are Hololive fans who refuse to believe that someone would not want to work for a giant japanese corporation.

>>81256244
Mysterious, it got deleted.

>>81261737
You were saying that TTT and Denaught were supposed to be 4 person wave, so each wave missing one person because of fucked up and the Niji february shits how?? Dunno what more believable, this or Hololive only do 4 channel per group starting from Advent.

>>81262334
are you guys dramafags who only came here after selen got fired? the dude leaked everything here.

>>81261860
She gets 1.3k CCV right now
She would, generously, get 6-8k in Holo
It was a mistake to turn down the offer but I don't understand why people act like getting 5x your normal audience is some unparalleled opportunity like becoming an astronaut or the President.

>>81262249
That is what I mean by terminal catalog brain, the idea that having dedicated management servants and an increase in exposure of multiple orders of magnitude is somehow outweighed by having to follow very slightly more autistic rules than regular youtube
It's like saying racing drivers shouldn't want to get into F1 because they're required to wear specific brands of watches while they get paid millions of dollars to participate in the pinnacle of the field

>>81262416
Yes anon I know about that Axvrun or whatever his name is, supposed to be the fourth member of Krisis

>>81262463
There is a massive difference between being a streamer and being in Hololive. They are barely comparable.

>>81262463
You're overstating the benefits and understating the drawbacks. There are a ton of rules and responsibilities for being in Holo, and a high proportion of people who work there have burnout.
The racing analogy is a bad one because that's an inherently competitive endeavour whereas being an online anime girl isn't.

>>81256484
I know at least 10 holomems who did the same thing or worse. I don't see where's the problem. Classic /vt/ selective indignation

>>81262627
>>81262895
I guess the more appropriate analogy would be that it's like a musician signing to a major, in that there are downsides and reasons someone might not do it, but most people exaggerate them while downplaying the advantages because of sour grapes, and it is still an objectively good idea if you want to make a career out of this no matter how you look at it

There are plenty of streamers who turned down Hololive this is nothing new. Grimmi wouldn't fit anyway she's too free spirited and a goofball.

>>81263142
I agree it's a good career move and it's extremely mysterious why she turned it down. We really don't know if it's for justifiable reasons, (not fitting in with the work/management culture at Holo) or retarded ones (Seth luring her away with hot sauce promises). Since she's unlikely to speak about it any time soon we'll possibly never know.
She hasn't given up her ambition by the way, she publicly announced she's applying to Vshojo. You know, the other big company that gives you opportunities but has basically no rules.

>>81261860
There's plenty of believable reasons posted in this thread. You might be in denial or retarded (it's both).

>>81263142
That's even worse comparison.
Solo musicians get bullied by record label lobbies all the fucking time until they join them. Record labels want to own literally everyone who can make money. There are huge downsides to being indie musician because you get shat on from all directions.
Meanwhile Hololive is an extremely exclusive club which hard limits the number of talents and doesn't try to sabotage other streamers who aren't in Hololive. Indies can manage perfectly fine in vtubing world, especially since there exist talent agencies too.

>>81262421
There's also the fact that she wouldn't earn any money in Hololive until August ends (monetization in July, YouTube sends money to Cover at the end of month, it gets processed to talents another month later). Meanwhile as indie she had steady income every month, without the March-August drought.

>>81263262
What the fuck are you talking about? Who are all those mysterious people refusing to be in Hololive?
You know that if you don't want to be in a big corpo, you could just not apply to begin with? Who the fuck is going to apply to the hardest corpo to get into, beat tens of thousands other people, and give up on the job when you're on the brink of making fuck you money? Is this supposed to be logical behavior?

>>81263142
It's more like Holofans greatly overestimate what their company actually offers. It's easily the best place to go if you like singing, nobody else has 3D concerts remotely close to Holo's frequency. But if you just want to be a vtuber streamer, they don't really offer many positives other than more eyes on you and a pay raise. And even then you might not even be making that much more money. Hololive has people like Gura and Pekora who are rolling in cash but a lot of them are probably not making much more than larger indies. If everyone in Holo made millions it would definitely be worth it, but when you are a content creator and you have to accept massive restrictions and off-screen work in exchange for like maybe $50-100k more per year then it's not worth it for some people.

>>81263497
I haven't actually seen anything besides some schizo shit about the number of asterisks in a tweet and then a lot of "well, who else would it be?".

>>81263776
Cover have no rules prohibiting roommate activity. They also pay a nominal salary which should be enough to see people through periods where they're not monetised (we know it's more than enough to pay rent in Tokyo).

>>81264045
Yeah yuniiho and soya streamed so fucking much between March and June, it was crazy.

>>81263776
You get a small salary in Hololive for that reason. Nothing much though.

>>81264133
True, I shouldn't have said "wouldn't earn any money", Cover does provide a living wage. Nothing close to what big vtubers are used to making though, it's just enough to survive the transition process before big bucks start flying in.

>>81263972
>Who are all those mysterious people refusing to be in Hololive?
Just about every indie vtuber above 1k CCV, Kson, Orc, that other guy, etc.

>>81263993
Cover is a public company. You can check how much they make in total.

>>81264288
Not really

>>81264045
Grimmi announced her graduation like a day or two after the person who went on to become Raora. She has denied up and down that she was joining Niji, all of the Denauth members graduated back in 2023, and was honestly way too big for Niji. There is really only one plausible scenario here.
I donno what you want. She's not going to come out and say "yeah I got hired by Holo and backed out" because it's unprofessional, and she's so professional she won't even throw Seth under the bus despite him deserving it. And of course Cover isn't going to say anything either. So if you want you can keep denying it forever, none of the people involved are going to spill the beans, even if she talks about it eventually she'll use coded language rather than outright saying "Holo". But I can tell you right now that everyone who followed her knew exactly what was going on the instant she announced.

>>81264205
You need to be wanted to be able to refuse something.

>>81255744
Funny, I don't see you spamming that in any thread about holomems.

>>81264327
Yes, really.
Nothing precise though.

>>81264415
You can see the total pay and divide it by number of talents but it's not accurate due to some massive outliers, making that useless.

>>81264376
Yea Cover definitely does not want their most profitable homos.

>>81264659
>homos
>profitable

>>81264800
Imaging going on /vt/ and arguing that Yagoo wants to get rid of his boys. Who the hell do you think you're fooling lol

>>81264468
They actually explicitly list how much money the 20 biggest ones make in their financial reports so it's very easy to see who the outliers are and how much they represent (it's less lopsided than you would think)

>>81264800
Yes.
This is Crimzon Ruze. He's a mid-low 3view. He's also made $60k in less than a year off superchats alone, not even counting memberships, ad rev, and merch. That alone is enough to pay for a new outfit and a 3D debut and still have plenty left over.
Of course, they're nowhere near as profitable as the girls, but they absolutely do make money.

>>81265195
He only got less than 35% of that $60k, retard.
But yes, memberships also exist (same split) and so does merch (potentially better split).

>>81265325
And Cover makes the same amount in exchange for spending like $2000 on his model. Definitely profitable.

>>81260796
>Minus the ability to speak
Being able to speak clearly is not a requirement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHxkVk9J52M

>>81265440
Yeah, they do make money on homos if they jsut stream. The issue is all the other promotion they waste resources on which costs a looot more than the model and channel maintenance. In 2022 EN Homos were receiving MORE promotion than Hololive EN. There's also huge opportunity cost whenever homos have 3D events - that means the studio is occupied by them and not the girls or third party contractors which both would be a lot more profitable.

>>81265325
you forgot about taxes too and there's no way they get better splits for merch than donations.

>>81264406
holoboard

>>81266019
Merch does give better splits than superchats, we've known about this for a long time. However we're only certain that it applies to actual custom merch like what is done for birthdays and anniversaries. Regular run of the mill merch like keychains and acrylic standees might have a lot worse split. Maybe not in the range of Nijisanji's 0-3% but most likely not a good one. Bday/anni merch is 40% split at minimum judging by how all the talents promote them.

>>81255704
Grim she's a mid vtuber btw

>>81266019
Custom merchs has great split because the talents have to commission them themselves (which is also why it's in limited quantities). This is a great source of income in Hololive.
Generic merch is not as profitable since Cover pockets most of the money. On the other end, they don't have to do any work besides shilling it.

>>81262421
She gets 300 on youtube

>>81266302
as opposed to who

>>81266537
so, 1.6k total

>>81266649
She doesnt multi stream. Her massive dedicated 1.3k audience just magically vanishes when she goes to youtube

>>81255704
KWAB

>>81266696
Oh. I thought it would be like Sayu who gets 1-2k on twitch and 300-1200 on YouTube at the same time.

>>81266696
Yeah it's pretty normal when changing platforms, and works the same in reverse. Holos also lose audience when they go to Twitch, in about the same proportion, 1/4 of normal viewership. Or if you want an EN example, Dokibird averages <2k on Twitch.

>>81266585
To most liggers with the same ccv.

>>81267556
give names

>>81257830
He was NijiEN tier, people seem to forget that he spent an hour rambling live on TV giving conflicting information daily during that shit show saying things like you should inject yourself with bleach.
He'd make a fantastic Menhera vtuber, but holy fuck, he should be kept away from national policy again at all costs.

>>81263072
>same thing or worse
No eroge isn't the same thing or worse, anon, besides for me it was mainly her always wanting to be VA, like her dream job, and how she hated voicing cuckshit like that, but still done it because she needed money, like, if you wanna corrupt your favourite thing for sake of money I can't really look at you as a person, get a job instead scrapping the barrel with this shit.

>>81269195
you are unironically "thing vs thing, hololive"-ing voice acting porn

>>81269195
I think you're being extremely harsh anon. Porn is porn, you might hate one fetish but for any fetish you choose, majority of people will tell you "no, X is worse" even if X is perfectly fine for you.

>>81267815
Nah I'm too lazy. She's even mid compared to most 2 and 3views anyway.

>>81269701
coward

>>81262463
>increase in exposure of multiple orders of magnitude is somehow outweighed by having to follow very slightly more autistic rules
She could get that in Vshojo though with less autistic rules.
Like i said above, we don't really know what happens behind the scenes except for the surface level. Look at how many people were shocked when they heard there's bullying in Niji behind the scenes: i'm not saying that's what's happening but there could be problems and issues that only someone working there would know which is who Grimmi might have asked.
Hell, even Mint recently talked about having discussions with A LOT of people behind the scenes and came to the conclusion that she should stick to being indie for now

>>81256543
>vshojo
lol
lmao

quit trying so hard to prop up that insignificant twitch trash dump

>>81270296
nice retired streamers

>>81256837
Shiori's appeal is different from Mumei.

>>81270364
Are you still mad about them moving to Japan? LOL.

>>81270296
Don't shitpost with my wives, nijinigger.

>>81270590
no i am happy that they did that

>>81263972
NTA but i know a 2view who dropped out of the final stages of the holo interview but it was for health reasons
>>81266696
and? Dokibird has less than half of her usual CCV whenever she streams on twitch. Same with YUY on youtube. that's what happens when you stream on a completely different platform than usual

>>81255784
Probably not but /here/chuubas sense drama with their cunts like a dowsing rod

>>81270597
>nijinigger
you wish. i don't give a shit about that dying dead black corpo

and don't put a insignificant small corpo like vshojo in the same league as holo you fag

>>81270665
twitch is a shit platform in general. doki is better off streaming on the tube.

>>81270918
I didn't put vshojo in same league as Holo you mindbroken retard.

>>81256722
fallenshadow would easily get into hololive if she tried, she just won't because it would mean she would have to travel

>>81270918
that's exactly what a sister would say

>>81261860
>but it would take a truly unfathomable level of retardation and terminal catalog brain to turn down an offer from hololive
what if holo has nothing to offer you that you don't already have? yes, pic related.

There is a non 0% chance that all 4 living presidents debut as a holostars gen together

>>81262334
>Hololive only do 4 channel per group starting from Advent
Starting from Tempus

>>81272357
Shondo has enough mental issues to know herself it would be a disaster to be in a corpo.

>>81255704
grimmity kwab?

>>81272654
Both are true. She'd be a liability AND they can't offer her anything she doesn't already have, that's why she backed out of joining. Unlike Grimmi who would've been in the new NijiEN wave.

>>81269411
More like x vs x, Japan. No EN has ever done eroge voice acting.

>>81273446
Dogs.

>>81273682
That VN was PG and I don't think they did anything else unless I missed something

>>81273198
Yeah, I fully believe Shondo was in advanced talks with Holo and got cold feet. Grimmi? no way.

>>81255704
LOL.
I’ve never watched her for more than a few minutes, but this is funny

>>81273882
The funny thing is noone is giving a reason why it wasn't Hololive and just deflecting

>>81269621
>extremely harsh
I don't think I am. No, porn isn't porn, if one does normal porn and the other shits on someone's chest it isn't the same things, anon. I'm not saying you shouldn't watch her, but when a person degrades herself to that point I can't take her seriously.
I guess from your point of view I am harsh, so be it.

>>81273198
>>81273882
I remember also Shondo saying a point of contention was that Hololive wanted to give her a model with different proportions than she would be comfortable with (I guess they wanted to give her a mommy model or something but that's speculation on my part), as well as her being attached to her own model since it was by her favorite artist.

>>81256089
Here’s everything you need to know about Seth from Mad Scientist Media AKA MSM Talent

>>81260796
>Raora

>>81274787
If this gets deleted you know Seth has a pocket mod.

>>81274787
This whole post screams terminally online, who gives a shit? He posted a slur in 2016? Millions of people did at that time. I hate the modern internet so much it makes me wanna scream.Grow up.

>>81264348
Everyone who leaves MSM is afraid of Seth because he’s a shizo who will try to ruin your rep if he feels like it, they’ve all witnessed this and will tell him whatever he wants to hear so they can escape unscathed.

>>81275335
The slur isn’t the issue, it’s that he’s pretending he ‘“woke” for the grift, while being the exact opposite behind closed doors. Or are you cool with two faced con men?

>>81275446
or he changed his mind after a decade

>>81274690
Oh yeah that's a good point. Twisty talked about something like that - that there aren't many loli models in Hololive and Nijisanji EN, that she only considers Gura a pass for a loli, that while Biboo has amazing design, it's not exactly a loli. Twisty herself doesn't consider her own model a loli but it was "the closest to a loli she could get away with". I can imagine shondo being a lot more strict with this and refusing to join if she can't be a ToT cunny.

>>81275565
Yeah? Like he changed his mind on being racist, but then his advice to Tiffany Witcher is to just be like HeavenlyFather, because they’re both black?yeah he didn’t change or grow, he’s a fucking grifter and you know it.

>>81274787
The doxxing part is the worst for me

>>81275955
There’s a screenshot somewhere where Seth says something along the lines of “doxxing isn’t a big deal, everyone should just get over it”. He doesn’t respect boundaries and he will just do whatever he wants to do then chastise you for being sensitive if you call him out on it.

>>81275854
yea exactly, this board made me hate people that i didn't even know existed 8 years ago. a lot can change in 8 years.

>>81274942
he bragged about having one but he doesn't.
>>81275335
shut the fuck up WEINSTEIN

>>81256244
>>81256198
>>81274787
wall of texts. Nothing explains why anons assumed Grimmi is the 5th member of Justice, but declined the contract

>>81275446
"You hate bread? Or are you cool with the much hated bagels?"
How you fucking sound right now, log-off. 4chan has become twitter-lite and its driving me insane. Should take my own advice

>>81276381
There's only 2 pieces of evidence:
1.Grimmi herself ungraduated and said multiple times it wasn't NijiEN
2. Shondo implied it was a company with 8 letters, doesn't seem to think hololive is worth it, and if it was Niji i don't think she would have been as vague about it

Now where is the evidence it's literally any other corpo?

>>81255818
No, but she's clearing heard people talking about it and is memeing on the idea

>>81276381
4 person gens are for homos only

>>81276616
Seth has gotten in the way of his talent joining other entities because it wouldn’t be good for him. Somehow he could be convinced that if Grimmi joined she wouldn’t need him anymore.

>>81276696
So you're telling me Seth was like "No don't join hololive Grimmi, i'll give you a hotsauce company" and she agreed? Instead of i dunno, talking to Shondo and people already in the company about it's problems and noping out instead?

>>81276809
I can’t be sure, but he did that to other companies.

>>81276809
How about both of those things happened? Why do you assume only one can be true?

I found this reddit thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1apmeu5/grimmvt_ungraduates_herself_this_is_totally/

I can't watch the videos, but if this comment is true
>Yeah, okay, the mention of "stuff that happened today", and being forced to drop VA stuff if they took the offer - this gets about as close to them being in the newest Niji wave as possible.

clearly suggests it's nijisanji since we know hololive has no problem with PL/RM careers.

>>81277424
Show me Kronii/ERB's VA jobs since joining hololive

>>81277424
https://x.com/GrimmiVT/status/1755626490165969376
>"Not Doki related. I've always stayed away from nijisanji and I'm happy she's doing better though. Hope they're all okay over there."
Keep in mind that Cyyu clearly talked about how he applied to NijiEN and decided not to go for it, why would Grimmi need to be vague?

>>81277556
Kronii did VA work for Vshojo and also some indie VN, probably other stuff I don't know too
Nothing is preventing them from doing their own VA work outside Hololive

>>81277424
Read the whole thing anon.
https://old.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1apmeu5/grimmvt_ungraduates_herself_this_is_totally/kq7iqor/ + replies
Hololive allows RM activity but with restrictions.

>>81276616
There's a third: Grimmi, Yuniiho, Biscotti and BasedaPoya all announced graduation, and graduated, at the same time.

>>81277424
Anon, we know for certain it was NOT Nijisanji.

>>81277708
That doesn't quite fit because the latter three all graduated on the exact same day. Grimmi didn't. There's also other vtubers who graduated around that time and ended up going to other corpos (not Niji, mostly the EN brave corpos iirc)

>>81277556
Didn't Kronii go to Poland for some voice acting for frostpunk 2?

>>81277786
We know she said it was not nijisanji, but I still can't make sense of it.
Like, we know how lax Holo is, just look at Noel. And this would be something that was ironed out way before Grimmi graduated.

Whatever happened, it was something unexpected.

>>81277808
It was scheduled for exactly a week before their graduation date. At the very least it's evidence. Did anyone else announced graduation on Feb 4 and graduate on March 3 and join VSPO?

>>81277995
the above thread mentions that there is at least temporary holo exclusivity. also new talents don't necessarily have to get the same contracts as the old ones. and those old ones can change.

It was vreverie, it's the only other 8 letter corpo I know of.

>>81278151
When the 3 other active vtubers graduated on exactly the same day, no matter what you say that's not a coincidence. That makes Grimmi stand out since she doesn't fit in with the others and in fact points to her not being included with the rest.
There's no way she could have joined VSPO, she's not good enough at FPS. I'm talking about V4mirai and globie. I would hope it wasn't a scam corpo like Nexus, not sure if any other EN corpos have debuted recently.
Really the only point of contention is whether Grimmi was "too big" to join a small corpo. Remember that she was a lot smaller before her ungraduation.

>>81277995
Kronii was hired years ago anon. I can easily believe Cover demands 6/12/18 months exclusivity from their talents before they can purchase RM activities. I don't know of any Holo hired in last few years who was active on her RM around the time of debut.

>>81278586
Nerissa dropped a song on her RM two weeks before Advent debuted.

>>81277995
different management and different eras
Grimmi would probably have to put stuff on hold and have to negotiate for more freedoms after a while since Cover probably doesn't want to immediately promoting their personal shit the second they get in. It also why I don't think the argument that Cover doesn't care about prior work if it was risque isn't valid, even if it was much more acceptable in the past.

That said, I do think there are reasons it might not be holo though. Mainly that I don't think Shondo would throw shade at a company if one of her friends decided to stay in and another chose to back out. That said, I do think it's likely that Shondo just didn't know what corpo it was Grimmi got in to. Shondo is friends with literally everyone, and Shondo is much closer to her personal group than she is to Grimmi so she may have just made an assumption.
Personally, the only thing preventing me from fully believing the holo rrat is that Liz and Grimmi are a bit too similar. They both VA and they both collab with dudes.

>>81278586
Because the only Holos hired in the last few years are Advent/Regloss/Justice, most of whom have inactive RMs. Nerissa stlll released music as her RM while in Holo

>>81278710
>>81278722
Oh. Didn't know that. Is there a possibility it was something that was prepared long beforehand and couldn't be cancelled?

>>81260518
You just know at some point this will happen, not with a U.S. president but with some other guy or gal that was once on the same level.

The RM shit is so fucking dumb, Mori and Azki are in holo.

>>81278800
It will be Soulja Boy or Kanye.

>>81278775
Given how long it takes to put out music, for sure her stuff was in the works for a while. But it's not like that would be relevant to the argument, since all that matters is the release date if we think it's a contract thing.

>>81278710
what about after they debuted

>>81278775
Advent seems to have started training serious somewhere around march, she had ample time.

>>81278906
She released a song 3 months ago.

Didn't Kiara literally go on tour?

>>81256237
It wasn't Selen. Randon told her what Hololive is like behind the scenes, she got scared, pulled out.

>>81278896
>>81278983
Thanks for answers. Hmm, maybe it really was VReverie. That one would make more sense with Shondo's tweet.

>>81279073
I don't know why we're taking Shondo's letter count at face value since we don't even know if she knew the exact corpo, she could have just been guessing since bean was on her mind. VReverie would be so dumb if it were true because they had a mass exodus of people leaving.

>>81279319
>VReverie would be so dumb if it were true because they had a mass exodus of people leaving.
True, but they released a new gen on the 6th of april.

Just throwing this out there but you guys are saying that Holo basically allows ultimate freedom for their talents personal accounts, while citing the activities of people who joined 5 years ago when the company was tiny and had like 10 employees. While in the modern era before every Holo gen debut there are mass graduations with those people then going almost completely dark. But back in 2020 Kson continued her RE4 stream literally a day or two after Coco debuted (to much hilarity). It seems pretty obvious that something changed.

>>81279665
Being active in your RM is entirely up to you.
Some talents go all in on holo, others keep the RM brand separated and others dual wield it etc.
If your brand is different enough,dual wielding is fine and some extra income. But if you are just a streamer then you dont want to alienate people.
Basically, why would you stream twice in each side when that burns you out and might make people go "oh she's jumping ship/she's not commited"

>>81279665
No one is saying its ultimate freedom
But Advent has Fuwamoco and Nerissa, and both are making money off of their roommate accounts

>>81279665
They allow enough freedom for new talents that it makes no sense to reject them due to VA job concerns.
Like, we talked about Nerissa, but FWMC are active on rm as well.

>>81279319
It's not just letter count but also the tone of the tweet.

>>81279918
>Being active in your RM is entirely up to you.
Is it really though? They'd all rather graduate than just leave their accounts up in case they want to do something special there once in a while?
>>81279940
>No one is saying its ultimate freedom
It's evident that they used to have that freedom though. And now they either don't or coincidentally only hire people who don't want to use it, which I don't really buy.

>>81280203
Yeah, because she was going menhera over bean at the time. Was Shondo close enough to Grimmi to know where Grimmi would be going?

>>81280428
the perfect example of this is Bae, who has a completely different brand and her RM's twitter once in like 2 years and it was just "i wanna sing karaoke". She could easily do some gig there.
Cover doesnt give a shit what you do in your RM as long as you dont parade yourself as LOOK GUYS IM IN HOLO!!!

>>81280593
>Cover doesnt give a shit what you do in your RM
Again, this was true in the past, but now the evidence suggests otherwise.

>>81280528
I refuse to believe that shondo went menhera twice because of literally the exact same thing
I thought shondo took it well from the get go this time?

>>81280677
>now the evidence suggests otherwise
No? Irys still streams on her RM.

>>81280677
Literally 3/5th of advent are rm active.

>>81279665
They don't have ultimate freedom, I've never seen a single Holo EN stream on their RM using their Live2D model.

>>81278538
I don't care if she wasn't planning to graduate on the same day, within the week is close enough.
Grimmi was already as big as anyone in V4Mirai even before she ungraduated. And she dwarfed anyone in globie.
I really don't understand the resistance to the obvious conclusion here. It's not like she's ever denied it being Holo the way she has with Niji. Except for "no one could turn down Holo!" cope I just don't get the motivation for denialism, I knew what was going on as soon as all those big indies announced graduation all at once.

>>81280677
no it doesnt you dense fuckwad, stop acting like you are an ace detective with secret knowledge and just accept you were wrong. Its easier to say "oh you right, my bad" than to do these mental gymnastics.
You have two(three) new hires still using rm accounts, the rest using them from time to time and others dont touching it with no pattern and you are still fighting invisible ghosts

>>81280806
by active do you mean active or that they tweet once every few days

>>81280528
No, she wasn't close to Grimmi. She just had two brain cells to rub together unlike a lot of anons apparently.

So what am I getting is that it might've been vreverie? If so good for her.

>>81280808
No one could turn down holo is a very good motivation.

>>81255704
why would she say this?

>>81280528
Shondo was supportive of bean though.

I remember on her graduation stream, Grimmi said she would still stream from time to time but would no longer be able to use her model claiming that she would be traveling for her new job, and the laptop she would be streaming from wouldn't be powerful enough to let her use her model.

>>81256154
speaking of nour, do you happen to have the feet pics?

>>81255704
it should've been her instead of ERB

>>81280697
>>81281095
She got better by debut but back when bean was graduating she was talking about not wanting to be abandoned again or something. I'm sure you can find the logs posted somewhere.

>>81280806
1 patreon stream a month with a couple of while other project has been in limbo without updates ever since they got hired. I guess it is some activity but not much.

>>81280866
I'm not an ace detective I'm just not a weird cultist. There are clear differences between 4 years ago and modern Hololive. Restricting personal accounts is completely in line with the growth of the company from a few guys who made a ping pong game to the billion dollar juggernaut that it is today. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. I have observed less PL activity. The simplest explanation for that is that PL activity has been restricted much like Holo's actual Holo activity. It's not rocket science.

>>81281035
It's cope. Anyone can turn down anything.

>>81280870
She just made an assumption, just like the people who assumed Reiny was joining, or the people who assumed Grimmi was backing out of Nijisanji

>>81271340
So, she would have the same issue as vesper? (Meds cannot travel easily to japan)

>>81256792
I offer myself to be her husband

The golden gates are now closed forever. I would almost feel sorry for her, but then I remember that twitch vtubers all have the crabs in a bucket mentality.

>>81256384
What does anon mean by this?
I'm guessing it is rrat about how Shondo could have taken Ceci's spot or even Fauna's spot from 3 years ago? That's wild

>>81256280
>Never listen to Shondo.
Anon, that goes without saying

>>81282140
They are part of her friend circle. She was kinda mad Fauna left her behind but forgave her and are on good terms now.
Or so I think, I don't really follow Shondo.

>>81282089
>twitch vtubers all have the crabs in a bucket mentality
wat

>>81280808
My point is that the dates don't match, if you're going to have that kind of wiggle room then you might as well say that every other indie that graduated in that time frame was joining Hololive, Grimmi wasn't the only name people thought was going to Hololive, and most of those names were wrong
I'm not one of the people who thinks it would be impossible to turn down Hololive. There's plenty of reasons why someone might not want to join a big corpo. I just don't think they apply here since by your logic Grimmi was already okay with joining a corpo and having these restrictions put on her.
The only reason people think it's Hololive is because it's the biggest corpo, but nothing Grimmi has said indicated that it's Hololive.
>Why deny Nijisanji specifically
Because she ungraduated the same day as the Selen shit so people were spamming it in her chat, especially as Nijisanji had a CA wave. No one wants to be associated with Nijisanji these days given their rep. At least Hololive still has a positive rep.

>>81282498
*Had a VA wave
Especially since Grimmi mentioned voice acting

>>81282140
Shondo is good friends with Fauna and Cecilia. Fauna learned a lot from Shondo. Shondo used to be mad at Fauna when Fauna joined Hololive because Fauna hid that fact from her but later they made up and even appeared in each other's birthdays streams with good wishes.

>vtuber rejects hololive
>holo drones are now mass attacking her for "giving up the golden ticket" as if people aren't allowed to say No to Yagoo's harem
this is why people don't like holo fans

>>81282298
You're right anon, that is the case. She even sent in a birthday voice message to Shondo two years ago to make it clear for everyone else that they made up.

>>81279046
They dont even talk

You think Shondo holds a secret grudge to the company that keeps going after her friends?
An indie being able to take away a fifth of a whole new Holo gen sounds pretty serious actually.

>>81282498
The dates do match, they announced at the same time and Grimmi's graduation was scheduled for exactly a week before everyone else's.
>I just don't think they apply here since by your logic Grimmi was already okay with joining a corpo and having these restrictions put on her.
She thought she was fine with it and changed her mind. Look at the way she phrased her ungraduation: "I will always be Grimmi". "I started to realize slowly it was the wrong choice". She didn't actually realize what being an a Japanese corporation entailed and once she got a taste of it she had a change of heart. I'm sure the Selen situation and Seth's shylocking didn't help either.
>No one wants to be associated with Nijisanji these days given their rep. At least Hololive still has a positive rep.
This is clever but I'm not buying it sorry. She benefited immensely because people assumed she dodged Niji and so they saviourfagged her. If she wanted to be calculating she would imply it was Niji and ride that wave. The omission of Holo in her denials remains telling.

>>81280528
Grimmi was constantly sucking up to corpos on twitter prior so she had a lot of interest in hololive in particular.

>>81279046
You are thinking of Shinri not him.

>>81283408
Nah, she was openly supportive for Cecilia.

>>81256624
Grimmi is ruined

>>81283535
By your logic she also benefits from not denying the Holo rumors because it associates her with Hololive and gets more people to check her out.
Come on now.
The reality is that she denied the Niji rumors because she was flooded with dramatourists who wanted to link her with the Selen drama.

>>81284142
I would ruin her

>>81256484
I'm sure she totally disavows it now and isn't that person anymore, and was probably abused and pressured into it. Also you're a sick freak for listening to it.

>>81283133
>what do you mean you're not getting out of the hood for a better life?

>>81284322
You're missing the point. There's no reason to deny Niji, if you justed wanted to maximize good PR you'd imply it was them.

>>81283856
Shinri collabs with Grimmi all the time. Why would he convince her to drop a dream a job?

>>81284852
Shinri is a heterocollabing whore?

>>81284558
>You're missing the point. There's no reason to deny Niji
You're missing the point.
There's no good PR from people thinking that you applied to Nijisanji. Her fans were already criticising her for wanting to go corpo. Imagine if they thought she chose Nijisanji over them, even if for a moment.

>>81285686
There is, it attracts saviourfags who want to support her from dodging the black corpo. She nearly tripled her CCV doing it, or how Doki's redebut got 120k. And it's not really a question of her fans but rather the attention she got from people who never watched her fore.

>>81285686
NTA but people that engage with this sort of thing are bitches. You don't feed them if you can help it or you do in a very intentional way. Even if you look at the Niji drama when it happened you would be dense to not notice complaints about anything they did or didn't do. It all got twisted but that's just the game. There is no good PR in engaging those kinds of people, let them stew in their theories that they pull out of nowhere and most people will just start ignoring them.

>>81285938
I didn't watch any of Doki's streams because I wanted to save her, support her, or care much at all about Nijisanji. I just wanted to see what all the drama was about.

>>81285938
I'm not sure why Grimmi would want to pander to dramafags who primarily use YouTube (Doki's viewership is more or less back to what it was in Nijisanji and that's with maximum exposure in the vtuber community) when her core base is on Twitch. Regardless we're never going to see eye to eye - I don't even think it's impossible that Grimmi rejected Hololive, but enough things don't add up for me to just take that narrative at face value. She'll probably spill the beans in like 5 years anyway.

>>81255704
Grimmi is another prostitute who has men on her stream so it's no loss. I'm glad she isn't in Holo

>>81286359
Probably won't take that long and it'll be the obvious answer. But vague enough people can doubt if they still want to.