/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Zetiplan

ASMR soon

>>80964354
>licilia nimmergreen
>it's still /grün/

Licillia Nevergreen makes my PP hard.

>>80964389
>Whispers German softly in your ear

>>80964469

>>80964469
>mach mir die bohrmaschine du kleiner wichser

>>80964610
hot

what is the name of creature?

>>80964669
My daughter-wife

>>80963828
Dying Light, I've played it like 5 different times and seems like a game that she would enjoy.

I would love to see GGCC playing it, a night chase with them screaming their heart out would be great content.

Here's a random video if you don't how a night chase looks like:
https://youtu.be/6p2JZgr2csM?t=203

ok bros got a copy of fl studio and watched 1 video of music theory time to start composing something

>>80964814
Now make some jazz, preferably something that can be looped for hours on end

>>80964814
Practice making some counterpoint

What would be cece name if she was blue?

>>80965254
Cecelia Everblau

Drink tea.

>>80965254
Furina-chan

>>80965254
cecelia immerblau

>>80965254
Chelsea Bythesea

fug i was asleep when she posted that
Well I'll still suggest something anyway

>>80965254
Schlumpfine Immerblau

>>80965647
Don't bother

>>80965708
More twitter engagement is good so I will still do it

A-Arbeit macht frei!

>>80965514
Why are genshin fags so annoying with this? Is this because liggers love it and bring their ouhsider taint to the general? Because with only a few exceptions, almost every holoEN model looks like some other character in a gacha but only Cece is constantly getting compared to one over having similar hairstyles and nothing else.

>>80965874
Arbeite härter Faultomo.

>>80965931
Why are you so aggressive?

>>80964669
greenmlin

>>80965931
Hoyoshit is so popular that it's borderline normieshit and they look vaguely similar so it's unavoidable.

>>80965675
>>80965533
>>80965357
>blau
her name isn't Immergrün though

>>80964354
>Licilia Nimmergreen General
hey fuck you I have filters in place to find the thread

>>80966203
try /grün/ next time

>>80966203
put her twitter link in the filter

>>80966237
I do, so I personally have redundancy, but changing that makes me upset due to the idea of filters potentially not working.

is her old discord still open?

>>80966387
Fuck off

>>80966171
It's not Evergreen either.

>>80965931
they keep doing it because it causes posters like you to sperg out

>>80965931
Furina evergreen my beloved

>>80966387
>he wants in
lmao

>>80966300
Are you autistic?

>>80966581
You don't need to be autistic to be upset about things that are wrong.

>>80966387
Joining her PL Discord to try to beg attention seems to be pretty dumb if you ask me.

And I'm saying this as someone who's really sad that I only noticed her when she joined Hololive. I watched some of her old VODs and they are very entertaining.

Fine. I’ll say it. Watching her play overwatch with Mumei, GG and ERB was fun and I enjoyed it.

>>80966581
yes

>>80966750
I think it was fun enough but would be better as literally anything other than OW.

>>80966387
gigi's is

>>80964367
*Zeitplan

Someone in yt chat brought this up: is CC programmable? I like to think that I can insert a punchcard into Cecilia to run the erotic routine.

>>80966803
Ceciplan*

>>80966814
Is a wind up clock programmable?

>>80966819
Ceci's schedule*

>>80966853
Can a wind-up clock behave like Cecilia?

>>80965931
I kinda liked Furina's model because her face, hair and delicious flat chest are cute and slightly similar to Ceci, but I didn't felt like mentioning that unlike those anons, but seeing how butthurt you are about chineese game I feel like I will start posting it too

>>80966982
do you do your dailies while watching stream

>>80967032
gigi does dailies while streaming

Wtf why is the OP not green

>>80967040
atleast she gets paid for working

>>80966853
you can change the cams and their arrangement to program automata

>>80967032
I don't play it for more than a year now. I only masturbate to characters

Do you think ceci knows how to play chess

>>80964367
Schedule

>>80967099
no, there's a guy under the table making the movements for her

>>80967099
everyone knows how to play chess, but does she play well? probably not

>>80966814
she literally said something about being programmed today

>>80967151
timestamp?

>>80967147
>German but actually is Turk
I could have expected that

>>80967151
ill programm her like ainz did albedo.

>>80964354
>wind
doll exhaust kek

>>80967242
Fuck, we're going to be cursed with this as long as we have "wind" in the OP due to that fart

>>80967268
Personally I blame the ritualposting pissfags

>>80967403
excuse me its coolantfag for you.

>>80967268
i said before to get rid of it. it adds nothing and noone cares.

>>80967452
I'm too autistic to get rid of the numbering, so what should it be replaced with? Crank?
I kind like movement since it's a term both in music and clocks

>NijiEN concert venue 7k
>Doki + Mint concert venue 2k
meanwhile HoloEN concert venue 3k?

>>80967608
/grün/

>>80967589
Spin :)

>>80967608
wrong thread monkey.

>>80967589
just replace the count with edition.
>/grün/ - chairnoise edition

>>80967169
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNmsNIiNfOU&t=7715s
found it
it wasn't today, I think I need to sleep better...

>>80967589
Pissbreak

>>80967589
>>80967631
>Spin :)
This. She says it herself all the time.

>>80968098
> :)
I suspect that's her.

should we ask her about her brap?

>>80968172
you'll make her stop using it

>>80967631
cc i love you. i want you to dissamble me and keep my parts in your basement.

>>80968186
sounds like a one way street to getting permabanned

>>80968220
lmao? why?

>>80968211
calm down, hannibal

>>80968220
One needs to make the sacrifice of dropping an SC asking about it.
If you drop an akasupa she'll repeat it in a member’s stream

>>80968186
she really should make a immernews segment out of it. but she should do it like bananamen if anyone remembers.

>>80964571
Anyone have the full image?
what's happening to her in it?

>>80968422
it's ai sloppa

>>80968899

Cutecelia Immercute!

Justice love!

>>80968186
>should we ask her about her brap?
timestamp?

Me when Cecilia Immergreen

Please stop talking about the alleged "brap".
Scatological humor has no place in /grün/. Go back to kindergarten.

>>80969509
you will only provoke it more. just roll with it and when they cant get a rise out of you it'll slowly die down.

>>80969509
>Scatological humor has no place in /grün/. Go back to kindergarten.
halt stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK1_VzoakMM

You guys are gross

dollwife tummy
https://x.com/tako_ro/status/1813861984338919797

>>80969509
>humor
I don't see it as a joke if people want to seriously huff her farts from the source.

*brap*
lol

>>80969843
Your Ceci looks a little weird, anon. Here's mine for reference.

>>80969918
Catcilia Immernyan!

>>80969918
sweet the catgirl upgrades arrived.

>>80969159
>>80925920

>>80968573
Is it still good regardless?

>>80969918
whats with the double tail?

>>80970638
she's a nekomata

>>80970637
its okay. try reverse img search. i would post it but im not home.

>>80969843
>>80970292
>CC from Code Gayass looks like Fauna
THEY ARE

>>80970884
kek i see what you did there

>>80970899
On the topic of AI, you gotta admit that these doll feet look pretty good despite being sloppa. Like sure, there's some issue with the ankle, but the toes are pretty great.

>>80971094
imo some of the ai art is just as good as real art. some. there is a thousand people who try to scam people out of money with very low quality shit. those can face a wall.

>>80971171
Yeah, the difference in quality is staggering. I have to say some of our resident /vtai/ guys are extremely proficient, despite doing it all for free. I've seen some stuff on twitter with patreons that are very poor by comparison. It's weird what people will pay for.

>>80971247
what they are doing is taking some template of settings that produce decent output and only slightly alter it. then they generate a couple hundred and cherry pick the best ones. they do it cause its easy and if you can fool even one to pay for it its free money for next to no effort.

>>80971247
If you're paid for commissions and are an AI artist (reputation doesn't mean shit) then you have every incentive to cut as many corners as possible. The /vtai/ anons are fueled by pure autism and horniness, so they are masters of their craft.

>>80971094
Still don't care and the guy that keeps coming to the thread to advertise his shit should fuck off.

>>80971521
>are fueled by pure autism and horniness
i agree with this message.
t. /vtai/ autist

Would Licilia Nevergreen fart on stream?

>>80971094
>single jointed toes
you should fuck off anyways

>>80971521
i have never commissioned anything in my life. do you have any numbers what real and ai artist take? im curious.

>>80972034
$20-$20,000

>>80972034
Idk about AI but a good hobbyist can easily ask for $300-$500 for a full color, detailed illustration.
What professionals take idk.

CC please tweet more often...

>>80972180
>>80972313
ty

>>80972027
>>80971582
What caused this intense hatred you guys have of AI anyway? Iofi?

>>80972493
I'm a supporter of the Butlerian Jihad.

>>80972326
seems bothersome

>>80972493
at the start of ai reddit started a mob against it because all the art used to train sd is more or less stolen, also reddit. at the same time all the art sites got flooded with low quality shit annoying a lot of people.

>>80972493
A lot of it just looks kind of bad and it's led to a flood of low quality art on a lot of sites.

>>80972738
This is kind of accurate except for blaming stuff on reddit.

Can someone give me a QRD on this chuuba? I don't like watching streamers with high CCV but I might make the exception for this qt 3.14

>>80972313
That's pretty high-end, you can get real Nippon artists under $300

>>80973012
You know the best way to get a QRD to see of you want to watch someone? Try watching them.

>>80973009
well it was reddit having some kind of "no ai" campaign that made the rounds.

I need fanart of a Chattino stuck under the bed with their big fat mouse ass stuck up in the air shouting “help me step-otomo I’m stuck” while an otomo is stood ominously in the foreground winding himself up.

>>80973050
Finding a reliable artist is a pain. I've had artists that return good work in under a month, and other artists that took six months.

>>80973147
it was artstation, the portfolio site for artists, because they were mad that AI pajeets were flooding the site

>>80973208
that might be. i saw some art dude having an hour long hate boner for ai and he showed alot of the movement against it was on reddit. but that was some time ago so i could be wrong.

>>80972493
I generally don't really care (and have had a lot of fun genning myself) but the amount of absolutely awful zero effort sloppa flooding my feeds on various sites and filling up imageboards is very annoying. Not to mention the retarded culture war around it.

>>80973062
Tell me a good stream to start on then I've only seen clips of her

>>80972493
I don't think it was developed ethically, most of it is low effort garbage and gets spammed, and it seems impossible for someone to post their slop without also bringing up their superiority complex toward real artists.

>>80973516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ZQs-kgUKI

I think the creative streams are my favorite. It's fun seeing her play games and stuff, especially with GG, but she's really in her own on the jingle and two draw streams I've watched. Plus they're different, so they stick out.

>>80973523
>without also bringing up their superiority complex toward real artists
from what ive seen thats just not true. im in all the ai generals and nobody there hates artist or voices anykind of superiority. there might be a schizo but every general has at least one. i saw art people on youtube say they are being harrassed by ai people. what i think happened is that some artist have been obnoxious and started to get attention by trolls starting a feedbackloop.

>>80973516
watch her collab with gg of that prisongame. ir any gg collab.

>>80973553

>>80973801
Maybe it doesn't happen in places dedicated to AI, but you see it nearly every single time slop gets posted here or other places outside of their containment.

>>80973931
Thank you for not just linking me her debut stream like that other anon

>>80973516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZHEp917lyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBfgIZp0r94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70sxoEUT_8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3bvsL-zyIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJoaq73laKk
My personal favourites so far

>>80974013
your welcome.

>>80973993
i dont see that. what i however often see is people posting real shitty ai trying to bait people.

>>80974013
Her debut is unironically good though.

>>80967403
Don't put us into the same sentence as brapfags

>>80974055
I added them to my watch later playlist I'll view them later today, thanks anon

>>80974608
Hope you'll enjoy them anon

So why did she fart and then moan?

>>80972738
>the art used to train sd is more or less stolen
You cannot expect art posted on the internet to be off-limits to the general public. I understand the concern about crediting the original artists, but this is pretty much like a normal artist downloading a bunch of freely available images off google, tracing them and learning to imitate them, then posting his work online without crediting anyone. Yes, a new and more advanced tool is used to imitate the originals in this case, but the principle about using the original images is still the same.
Truth be told, it doesn't really matter. What would happen if this wasn't the case is nearly identical. AI creators could have commissioned a hundred artists to teach their model to draw in various styles. It would have cost them some money and these artists might have gotten some credit (though almost certainly not a percentage of earnings), but it would still affect the market in every other way that it's doing right now. In the long run it's a minuscule difference, especially to your average artist that wouldn't get hired in the first place. (They would still feel the effects of automation driving costs down.)

I commiserate with flooding being a problem. Thankfully most sites have tags for it so you can filter it out easily. (And if it's truly difficult to tell that it's AI, then it must be pretty high quality at least.)

>>80974785
She was enjoying the aroma

Going to go make some AI art that purposefully has 6 fingers and post it on different art hashtags for attention.

>>80974910
Anywhere really, the almost same argument can be constructed for a fleshy human learning or taking inspiration from art they have seen somewhere else.

>>80972738
AI has become the great filter for artists, if you can't compete against the AI generated images then maybe you just need to get better at drawing.

>>80974395
You both enjoy disgusting things. I understand that you love piss and probably don't enjoy literal feces to the same degree, but to a normal person both of these are pretty awful. This is like a ryona enjoyer being shocked and appalled at being compared to guro.

>>80975168
>ryona enjoyer being shocked and appalled at being compared to guro
I'll have you know ryona is a valid play IRL but guro isn't.
WE ARE NOT THE SAME!

>>80974910
i agree mostly. what they did was scrape anything publicly available. on sites that have in their useragreement no illegal stuff allowed. that means if i grab all that it must be legal. but of course the internet does not work like that and illegal stuff is uploaded to "legal only" sites all the time. when you get around to have it deleted its already on 5 other sites. and they know that damn well too. they are feigning ignorance. not that i really care mind you. its an issue with the internet in general. hate the game not the player sorta. i doubt there is anything that can be done that would not do more harm than good.

>>80975082
Ironically I think the best solution for artists that don't quite make the cut is making use of AI themselves. I've seen examples of relatively successful artists transitioning into AI-assisted art and the results are usually pretty great. (Since they're good enough to be able to fix errors the AI made after the fact.)
The only problem is that they have to get over their pride to do this, and then learn some new tools.

>>80974977
>the almost same argument can be constructed for a fleshy human learning or taking inspiration from art they have seen somewhere else
Disingenuous to compare people to machines that can literally flood places with copies.

>>80975391
>The only problem is that they have to get over their pride to do this, and then learn some new tools.
That and the fact that they'd be better off just learning how to draw better rather than waste time painting over AI.

>>80975391
its not only pride i think. alot of people reject anything ai rightout.

>>80970899
Yeah, nothing. Reverse never shows AI because none of the indexed sites allow it. Thanks anyway.

>>80975344
>Your honor, I may have beat the victim up and knocked out a few teeth, but murder is way worse! Hence, I declare I did nothing wrong.

>>80975598
Dasrite.

>>80975408
Dellusional to assume humans are any better than organic machines that for some reason are too ''special''

>>80974910
If you actually think AI algorithms are developed the same way a human learns art, you are either being disingenuous or have no idea how either of those things happen. Either way, I think artists should have a say in how their art is used.

>>80975391
Or maybe some artists enjoy making art themselves instead of correcting slop.

>>80975598
Assault and Murder are 2 separate charges so...

>>80975504
It's a matter of perspective. I would argue that it is precisely pride that causes them to reject AI outright.

>>80975458
That's debatable. If you only care about the end result, I think allowing the use of every tool available to you will lead to a better result. And getting better at drawing takes hard work and dedication. (Probably more so than learning the basics of AI generation.)

>>80975768
Only humans are afforded rights.

>>80975773
but both make you a criminal

>>80974785
I sucked it out of her.

>>80975773
Are you intentionally missing the point? Both are illegal.

Don't care about AI, hate AIfags who think that everybody in every space on the internet needs to know their nuanced opinion on plastic looking sloppa ass.

>>80975828
but alot of costumers reject it too making it a possible bad carrer choice.

>>80975891
This but what you're saying and whatever you identify as due to whatever you are doing

>>80975831
>Laws
It's a pretty stupid point to make, a lot of really awfull stuff was completely legal as far as the law was concerned.
Then there is the case of corporations that are ''people'' under the law of some countries and they are hardly even comparable. That aside, some animal species do enjoy quasi-personhood.

Guys help I think I’m falling in love with Cecilia Immergreen channel from Hololive English Justice.

>>80975773
You're right bro, ryona isn't as bad as guro and pee isn't as bad as poo. Everyone knows this but we love a good autistic go-round around here

>>80976029
Good to know that you hate talking about Cecilia in Cecilia Immergreen General.

>>80976160
What did you venting about aifags have to do with Cecilia Immergreen?

>>80976201
I was complaining about aifags shitting about the Cecilia Immergreen general.

>>80976141
Point is that both are bad, even if one is worse than the other. It's really not that complicated.

>>80976094
Besides the point. Stable diffusion and image gens are not people. Whatever faggy point you have about the way they learn being analogous to people is irrelevant because it's not a person and doesn't actually behave like a person. No I will not like your mass produced low effort prompt shit.

>>80976281
No one is going to steal your art, calm down

>>80976263
>bitching about offtopic instead of posting on-topic
Classic, this always works to re-rail a thread. Keep it up bro

WAKE UP CC

>>80976281
Whether an AI is "people" or not doesn't really matter. Photographers cannot perform their craft without a tool either. (And technically, neither can people who draw, unless they're painting in their own blood or other bodily fluid.)

>>80976311
Not an artist, no I will not like your shit. Stop shilling it here.

>>80975768
return yourself to reddit, dennettnigger, this is a dualist thread.

>>80976408
>>80976429
Then you have even less of a reason to complain. Go screech at a tree or something.

>>80976350
>Cecilia cute!
>5 walls of text about shit nobody except 3 people on this board care about
Yeah, cool. What next, outbreed the shitskins to save the deomgraphics? Go be a retard but with extra eloquence on lesswrong or something.

>>80976448
As long as I have to see dogshit I'm going to complain.

>>80976451
dumb fuck

What game is she going to play tonight?

>>80976451
>I didn't get enough (You)s from my nothing post so I MUST engage offtopic
kek

>>80976573
We do not know.

I shall also post a controversial opinion in order to argue.
Ahem. I do not want to marry Cecilia Immergreen.

>>80974910
To me it's an issue of expectations or informed consent. Up until a few years ago there was a certain set of risks you knowingly assumed by putting your work on the internet and the effects of AI are well outside of those expectations.

>>80976573
Civ 7

>>80976600
You can post the most lukewarm take here and some autist will take great issue with it

>>80976573
half life

posting AI shit reallly should be bannable offense

>>80976408
Bro, nobody is shilling anything because there's nothing to be sold.

>>80976600
Good. More for me.

Sexilia

>>80976515
Complain to a wall or a tree, maybe they will listen.

>>80976641
Huh, I was totally unaware. I'll allow myself to hope for it to be better than 6 at least

>>80976580
>my father left me when I was 4 so I MUST have autistic debates about AI-generated porn for hours on end wherever and whenever it's mentioned and sperg out if anybody calls me out

>>80976573
It could be anything. Maybe one of the twitter suggestions if she likes them and they have perms? We might be looking at another JP kusoge since Cover has easy access to perms for them.

>>80976610
I can see your point. However, I don't see any practical way to put the genie back in the bottle at this point.

>>80976641
Getting perms for CiV is apparently quite the pain and involves jumping through a couple of hurdles like getting permissions on a per-stream basis or something stupid like that.

>>80975770
>If you actually think AI algorithms are developed the same way a human learns art, you are either being disingenuous or have no idea how either of those things happen.
the outcome is the same, someone made art in the same style as someone else on the net, the only difference is the volume at which AI art is able to be generated at. No I don't think artists have a right to decide what happens to their art that they post on the net and is available to everyone.
>Or maybe some artists enjoy making art themselves instead of correcting slop.
most artists make slop, I'm glad they enjoy making that slop but pretending that their art is somehow worth more than the art made by someone that used AI to assist them is hubristic.
I view this whole AI debate similarly to how I've heard some people talk about drawing on a canvas with real paint compared to using a tablet. It's all retarded artfag elitism.

>>80976782
Where do you think I got the high ground from which to call you out retard? I had no part in the great slop debate

>>80976816
>Artfag
>Menhera
Pick two

>>80976815
I still dream of a full EN civ collab one day. At least we have the Fauna and Mumei vods

>>80976816
To be fair physical art is vastly more elite than digital

>>80976782
Listen, none of this would happen if you just hold your tongue whenever someone posts some innocent sloppa. It's like lewd art, some people care, other people don't. Nobody spergs out about it whenever there's a catbox link being posted. Live and let live.

Nooit, neen, nimmer

>>80976927
I don't give a fuck about your sloppa and said as much.

>>80976957
and yet you keep giving enough fucks to sustain the subject

>>80976899
It is, and I shit on them in person when I go to the art museum in my city.

>>80964354
So now that she shown off her doll hands, we should see some future hand cams of her playing instruments like the piano.

*toot*

>>80976816
>It's all retarded artfag elitism
you fags just want the cred of drawing from shitting out prompts

>>80976927
is it that hard to post AI shit in designated threads?

>>80976800
I mean yeah the toothpaste is out of the tube, I'm just giving my argument for why I oppose its use based on the way it was developed.

>>80976989
The arts!?

>>80977024
I've made a single AI image and it crashed my PC so I sadly cannot claim to be an artist just yet

>>80976979
The subject of discoosers being shitposting tourists or stupid niggers who can't respect their oshi's thread, yeah. It's not like they will shut up if you don't mention them.

>>80976816
Hey, how do you feel about Jackson Pollock?

>>80977095
the fuck is a discooser supposed to be, born and raised local?

>>80976816
The outcome is absolutely not the same, which is why AI is so easy to spot. This may not be the case at some nebulous point in the future, but it certainly is now.
And regardless, you were making the case that AI learns in a similar way to a human as an argument for why using images to train AI without permission is okay. You can't suddenly switch to focusing on the outcome instead of the process and expect that argument to still work.

>pretending that their art is somehow worth more than the art made by someone that used AI to assist them is hubristic
What's hubris is having an algorithm generate an image for you and claiming that it's art that you personally made.

>>80977104
I think his art kinda looks like shit honestly, maybe I just don't get it

i think we should make the piss and fart fags leave while we’re at it

>>80977038
There's nothing in the rules that says posting relevant sloppa here is illegal. Had it been like half the posts in the thread I would agree with you, but for the most part it's like a single post every other thread on average. (In fact, complaining about sloppa takes up way more space than the images themselves.)
You can't just make up your own rules and expect people to follow them.

Digital artists should be called craftsmen

>>80977228
Yeah, it's like the "sandwich artists" who work at subway

I like AI posters cuz I can't see myself scavenging /vtai/ for some cc slopa.

>>80977284
false equivalence

>>80977228
digital FARTists should be called BRAPsmen

Yeah well that’s just like, your opinion otomo

>>80977329
it's similar

>>80977324
I've gone dumpsterdiving there sometimes and I'm impressed by what these horny gits come up with.

watch streams, niggers
cc

I am aitomo
You will be upgraded.

>>80977329
It was a joke

>>80976946
How can CC insult anyone at this point when she let rip a huge fart on stream?

>>80977414
cc is watching raora*

>>80977446

>>80977485
You want to complain about sloppa? This is sloppa.

Watching yesterday's minecra I'm confused at Raora's experience level. She's built all this top shelf shit already but asks questions like what do people do in the netherlands?

>>80977168
>And regardless, you were making the case that AI learns in a similar way to a human as an argument for why using images to train AI without permission is okay.
I wasn't, that anon was. Sorry if I didn't specify that I wasn't the original poster.
>You can't suddenly switch to focusing on the outcome instead of the process and expect that argument to still work.
I don't think the process is relevant, the outcome is. And I've seen AI art that looks like it was drawn by a person, but I've been told that it was edited after generation.
>What's hubris is having an algorithm generate an image for you and claiming that it's art that you personally made.
One could easily argue it was personally made. Now you can say that inputting prompts and then editing the image after generation isn't really art, but then I can say that using a tablet isn't real art either and that you need to 'feel' the canvas and use real paint otherwise you're not a real artist.
But I doubt you'll change your mind, so I would just suggest you ignore AI posts

>>80977554
Played before it was introduced maybe?

>>80977554
I think she's just following guides

>>80977446
It was her chair.

I am chair.

>>80977554
>She's built all this top shelf shit already
Like CC's gas chamber, she just google it.

>>80977554
She followed tutorials. Her house building stream was her following along to a YouTube tutorial. Not that I think there’s anything wrong with that

>>80977715
stop farting on CCs stream

>>80976600
fuck you. you must be gay. why are you gay?!

>>80977793
Who says I’m gay?

>>80977065
>fuck you, you are a terrible painting. i dont like you´re smug aura. i might slash you.

>>80977628
>I can say that using a tablet isn't real art either and that you need to 'feel' the canvas and use real paint otherwise you're not a real artist
This is such a bullshit false equivalency. The difference between a canvas and a digital tablet versus image generation algorithm is leaps and bounds away from each other.

>>80977907
You are gay

>>80977628
>One could easily argue it was personally made
One could argue literally anything. That doesn't mean that those arguments are all equally valid.

If I don't have excess time but do have a history of just hanging out in videogames I probably shouldn't pick up Minecraft, should I?

You would think that with less jungle creatures in the audience there would be less shitposting, but I guess they never needed to watch streams for that.

CC wins
https://youtu.be/VWlj001F0cY

>>80977969
Why would you look for ways to waste time if you don't have excess time?

>>80977989
Not now coffeetomo

>>80977989
Humanity wins.

>>80978004
*a ton of excess time

so does raora actually dislike tea or is she just playing into the coffee vs tea debate?

>>80977975
Pointless bickering is Immerheimian culture. You cannot take it away from us.

>>80978076
It's real. She don't even drink water.
Coffee everyday.

>>80978172
but she just drank water in her elden ring stream

>>80978076
She is italian she probably just really likes espresso.

>>80978081
No, it's a (you) problem.

Detaching and hiding Ceci’s legs from her so she can’t leave me

Maybe if she tries coffee brewed with love she would finally get it

>>80978239
Negative, it is also a (you) problem, as you just demonstrated.

>>80977957
>The difference between a canvas and a digital tablet versus image generation algorithm is leaps and bounds away from each other.
It's hyperbole, but you also can't actually explain why it is different, except that it is. In that sense, I actually consider arguments against AI 'art' more valid than ones that would try to use some sort of hard definition of art. But I personally do consider most AI art to be quite lackluster unless it's been edited after generation. Do you view those differently, or do you still not consider them art? I think this will be my last post on the topic; I think we've cluttered the thread enough with this discussion.
>>80977967
Very true!

i think it was a nice discussion.

CC NO
https://twitter.com/ceciliaimgreen/status/1813956137445924888

>>80978500
i think she did try all kinds already and just does not like it.

>>80978544
Dolls can't get cancer it's fine.

>>80978544
kek, even chammers isn't feelin it

>>80978544
She's gonna be known forever as the burnt onion girl...

>>80978535
I don't really mind as long as it's not during streams

>>80978225
this song is not about fuckign tea

>>80978681
oh really, i didnt notice. isnt brazil famous for their tea?

>>80978617
Nice pfp homie

What game? I can't sleep before knowing that

>>80978735
gothic

>>80978735
SEAtomo or just australian?

>>80978735
SCP secret lab.

>>80978735
Half life

>>80978532
I came from work at 5PM and I see a thread full of NEETs and SEA people. I don't think I contributed much.

>>80978534
>but you also can't actually explain why it is different, except that it is
It's different because a person is still drawing with a tablet and they are not with an image diffusion model. It's also easy to go back and forth between a canvas and tablet because they are extremely similar.

Hundescheiße allgemein.

>>80978534
>you also can't actually explain why it is different
Except I can. For both tablets and canvas, the artist is involved and has input throughout the process of making an image. For AI, the prompter outlines a very loose set of ideas at the beginning and then lets an algorithm produce the actual image. And no, changing things after the generation is not transformative enough for the prompter to suddenly claim the image as their own art.

>>80978868
Gesundheit

>>80978806
Yet here you are, ready and able to bicker with the best of us! Welcome home brother.

>>80978782
JSTomo

I bet it's a horror game today

>>80978975
The rarest of breeds

>>80978916
so what's the process of refining and prompting over and over again

>>80979013
i really really like this image

>>80973012
If you like girl farts you’re in the right place

>>80979085
It is yours to keep my friend :)

>>80979085
a little mango shading goes a long way

>>80979101
Debunked

>>80979190
Alright, alright, it's still early on day 1 so whatever but here real soon we're going to have to get a lot better at ignoring it

>>80979077
nta, art direction at best (art directors also cant claim to be the creator of the final work)

https://files.catbox.moe/1opyb9.png

>>80979077
It's still just getting an algorithm to generate lots of images. Doing it repeatedly with different variations doesn't somehow change the base process. It's not like if I commission the same artist multiple times I can eventually claim his art as my own.

>>80979242
Ok, but how is that not having input throughout the process

>>80979190
It’s real to me…

i hope CC doesn't browse the catalog

I like the Pollock example. Bro dumped paint, very little control. Still art!

>>80979283
i dont care, i told you im not that anon

>>80979308
i hope she does not come here at all. this place is not for those with a sound state of mind.

>>80979327
You don't really understand why Pollock was significant or how he worked but go off king!

>>80979330
Well thanks for answering a question that wasn't asked about a topic you don't care about, good stuff

>>80979283
You only have input at very specific points, not throughout the process.

>>80979281
Funny, this is the same argument painters used against photographers way back when.
>dude, you can just take a bunch of photos that aren't even of your own making and pick the best one??? WTF

>>80979401
So Pollock then?

>>80979352
Anonymous debate on the internet is my favorite sport in a most dangerous game kind of way

>>80979401
you can if you want to know. but you wouldnt know that now would you.

>>80979424
now that we can agree on

>>80979424
It's pretty interesting. You have to thread the needle by being polite enough to not immediately devolve the argument into shitflinging, but still keep it short enough to be digestible.

>>80979410
nta but photographers weren't claiming that they're painters

Can someone count how many posts were about AI and how many posts were related to Cecilia Immergreen in this thread?

>>80979410
It's not, but keep using that tired false equivalency if you want.

>>80979540
nor are sloppists claiming to be painters

>>80979563
Well, you have trouble articulating why it's false

>>80979568
many do and actively try to deceive people into thinking they are

>>80979551
this all started with an img of cc. this is on topic.

>>80979551
all these ai posts are related to cc

>>80979540
Are we really doing this? No sloppa "proompter" is claiming to be a normal artist.

>>80979369
i directly answered a question that was asked, dillweed. i dont think that anons point was well worded so im not going to defend it.

Q: so what's the process of refining and prompting over and over again
A: art direction

input alone does not justify claiming ownership in my opinion, at a stretch you could call it collaborative but it would be an embarrassing cope

Where CC ERP chatbot

>>80979643
you don't go into artists' spaces or are being disingenuous

>>80979676
The otomos are saying "I love AI", "I hate AI", and "shut the fuck up about AI" as they jump

>>80979551
sorry but this discussion is way more important than Cecilia

>>80979678
If I were into trolling I might start, seems like the easiest heartfelt (You)s of all time

>>80979352
sorry to say that everyone in her old friend group is extremely here.

>>80977485
>CC on the holocaust

>>80979723
only antis say they love ai sloppa

>>80979734
I accept your concession

>>80979551
I confess, I posted the first image of CC feet. >>80971094
That was on-topic. Then someone complained and someone responded. It took off from there.
My solution? Stop bitching about some sloppa once every 200 posts. Literally who cares.

>>80979607
You must not have been here for anons thousand page schizoid screed on the nature of artistic mediums the other day.

>>80979607
A photographer has lots of input well before they actually take the picture. Much much much more than prompters have with the initial parameters that they feed into an algorithm.

>>80979794
I think you should fuck off from here

>>80979823
Art students will be art students.

>>80979736
oh in that case:
CECILLIA I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOUR OPINION ON AI ART. I BET YOU HATE IT BUT REGARDLESS IT JUST MIGHT GET EVERYONE TO SHUT THE FUCK UP.

>>80979794
The mediocre artists care because they can't compete, so all they do is seethe

>>80979805
BRRRAAAAAAP

>>80979838
Yeah, well I think you should fuck off from here. What now fellow otomo?

>>80979844
I think one of the greatest friction points in this entire debate is that its rare for someone to understand both the technological side and the artistic side well enough to make a fully educated argument. I find that the pro AI crowd usually has very little understanding of artistic concepts while many artists misunderstand the nature of the technology.

>>80979805
CC is pointing he gas canon at you

>>80979892
I'll gladly fuck off to a thread dedicated to Cecilia Immergreen if that's possible

>>80979964
now that is a great point.

>>80979835
They're quite similar actually, very very very similar.

>cultivates an air of sophistication and refinement
>blows it all away with one fart
Lmao

>>80977957
NTA What? A digital tablet is waaaay closer to image generation than it is to painting on canvas with real paints and brushes, that is about as traditional and human soul as it gets not counting cave painting. Digital artist skips so much using high-end hardware and software featuring thousands of tools and auto-generated brushes and paints, maximising efficiency and output while minimizing risks and mistakes as much as possible, which is all fine, and then when the next logical step in this progress knocks on the door, the tool that generates their part to make it even more efficient, they draw the line in front of their feet and suddenly it's all about the human touch. Because that is in reality how far digital art is away from image generation, one step, otherwise this all wouldn't be an issue right now.

>>80979780
And what do you see when you pop open that otomo's faceplate?

>>80980072
thanks, chatgpt

>>80980052
She cultivated air alright

>>80980072
Based, fuck their hypocrisy

>>80980040
Explain.

I think cancelling the ASMR plans would be an appropriate response.

>>80979964
I can definitely agree with that. Though I think the bigger hurdle is approaching the argument in good faith in the first place. It feels like most people have a preconceived notion of what's correct and aren't actively listening to the other side.
Personally I think it's a very complicated subject and I'm not quite sure what's right or wrong. But I do get annoyed when anti-AI people try to present it as a simple "good vs. evil" debate.

Guys I just rewatched the Sekiro stream. I can’t believe CC let rip every single time she stood up or sat back down when she went to get a drink

>>80980135
u first

>>80980178
Yoooo, got the timestamps?

>>80980150
this tbqh
i hope she cancels all future asmr streams because of your guys' retardation and you won't behave in chat

>>80980150
I think changing it to a fart only ASMR would be even better

>>80980160
NTA that is true, but i belive that applies to most stuff nowadays. if you are not for me you are against me kinda thing.

>>80980150
Response to what?

>>80980160
I just find it irritating when one image that may or may not be AI generated is posted and there will be at least 5 posts about how they need to stop spamming/posting ai slop which then devolves into the current thread

>>80979991
Be the change you want to see:
See sloppa? Ignore it, hide it, don't interact with it. Talk about Cecilia instead. Results in much less talk about sloppa and more talk about Cecilia Immergreen of Hololive EN Justice.

>But I do get annoyed when anti-AI people try to present it as a simple "good vs. evil" debate.
pro-AI side is also like that

this is AI CC pissing

>>80980215
since you won't behave in chat*
>>80980243
she shelve the asmr idea for a year or two before doing it

>>80980243
General retardation.

>>80980276
Use a better lora/basemodel

>>80980276
WE GOT A COOLANT LEAK, QUICK, CATCH IT

Cecilia Immerbrap!

>>80980178
Those didn't sound at all like the deep bassy brap she let out in the Minecraft stream

filters are awesome

The 128th Spin

>>80980322
I read this as "fisters are awesome"

>>80980377
stfu gigi

>>80980160
Most people just aren't able to debate very well in the first place. I basically think all moralfags should be banned from using the internet until they can achieve a nuanced worldview.

>>80980276
WTF I love AI now

>>80980317
Cecilia Immabrap is better

>>80980180
Barring last minute changes, a photographer essentially knows what the photograph will look like what they take it, and they make lots of conscious decisions to reach that specific desired outcome.
A prompter creates a list of concepts to feed into an algorithm which creates the image for them without the prompter having input for any of the specific details.

can we spend the next thread arguing about kinks this time? i think we should bully the piss fags out.

https://x.com/ceciliaimgreen/status/1813967340440351081

https://x.com/ceciliaimgreen/status/1813967340440351081
She is thanking me specifically for my suggestion, which she will play very soon, perhaps even today.

>>80980226
Yeah, definitely. You see it in politics too. Polarization. It's very sad, but possibly an inevitable side-effect of the internet. (Not that I'm against the internet.)

>>80980253
Agreed. I say live and let live. Have debates on the value and ethics of AI in other threads. If sloppa gets posted, just ignore it if you dislike it. I do the same thing with pissposters.

>>80980417
yay!

>>80980417
YAY

>>80980441
Her "yay"s are cute

>>80980427
imageboard btw