/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>8061068
even after holoEN gen 2 debu eggs can't catch any rest

>>8061068
Kiara will ride or die. She'll do this for as long as she possibly can, no matter what happens.

>>8061068
Hopefully. Imagine if Ironmouse and K*ara had swap companies early on. EN would've been KINO.

>>8061131
more like CONNO
glad ironmouse stayed where she is

>>8061068
If you neck yourself she will graduate instantly, literally disappear. Trust me, go for it.

>>8061068
Her goal is to sing and dance once again in a big stage until she archive that or at least know she will never able to, she won't quit.
That is the only thing earn my respect for her despite I really don't like everything else.

>>8061068
Yes but eventually her roommate will take that place

>>8061068
Germans never surrender, they rather An Hero

>>8061131
Either outcome would still have the mouse on life support though kek

>>8061953
She will then shot herself in her house once EN2 numbers start closing in on hers

>>8061432
That's good advice.

>>8061068
There aren't 1M fans in the Hololive EN ecosystem right now, there's roughly what IRyS has in subs. They aren't gonna add another 500,000 to the pool in 3 months. One of them would have to blow up Gura-style to even cross 1M by then. For all five AND IRyS to do that is almost impossible.

fucking dumb take
she likes what she does and is literally rolling in money, more than she ever had

>>8064289
Cope, just because your oshi can't curse on stream and has to give all their proceeds to a corporation doesn't make Ironmouse any less of a $100k for charity raising chuuba folk hero.

>>8061432
Just tried this and it's real.

Would recommend.

>>8068349
>just because your oshi can't curse on stream
literally said nigga on stream
>has to give all their proceeds to a corporation
ogey
>doesn't make Ironmouse any less of a $100k for charity raising chuuba folk hero.
ame did it first (and better too)
You're obviously a falseflagger vshojo anti. You might think you're some genius masterfully convincing everyone how much vshojo sucks but the truth is that 99% of this board already hates them, so you're just preaching to the choir and wasting keystrokes.

>>8061068
She needs to get Jap husband already.

>>8061105
fpbp

>>8061110
This. I think she would rather die then go back to her old job.

>>8070663
Lol imagine she graduates and has to get fucked after losing a wrestling match

>>8072328
being one of the only 5 Holo EN members is carrying Kiara hard.
She would be bottom 5 if she was competing with 50 HoloEN's

>>8061953
>>8067929
>>8061110
I don't think you guys really understand how bad her mental illness is, in the last few months alone, she ended yuri shipping and had a huge over reaction to being called bottomleft, and on her roommates channel she is even kayfabbing her kiara voice in her irl shit now

Kiara is in a constant state of mental damage, I would never bet anything

>>8072488
Can't she do the opposite and use her real voice as Kiara?
I would actually watch her

seethe forever

One can only hope.

Thankfully more EN members means less collabs with Kiara.

>>8072614
She believes everything about her real self is ugly, it's a really strange thing she blogged about for almost 2 years straight on her twitter
Very desperate for validation, has constantly changed herself to fit what she believes other people will like

That's why she was numberfagging really hard a few months back

Unless IRyS gets a major boost she's not catching up to her. Her growth has already slowed down significantly. I think the same will be true for EN2.

>>8072905
Sounds like she would do anal on second date

>>8073001
Irys has a major debuff with the ugly model, but kiara has pretty much plateaued
She did all of her goals she out to achieve in hololive after the convention, none of the JOP fans like her despite all her pandering

Nips like takamori, but she stopped doing it because it made her feel like a leech.
She raged at chat for bottomleft after months of playing into it, stating it's not her at all

At the end of her 1st year, Kiara is probably only one in EN gen1 that honestly lost who they originally were for the worst, she now has no real identity

>>8061068
No.

If one of the EN2s are G*rman then it's all over.

>>8072488
>>8072905
>>8073332
Ogey but what's with the reddit spacing?

>>8073599
rrat

>>8073332
>organize game where she categorizes her genmates by how dumb or slutty they are
>gets mad an throws a tantrum when they unanimously call her a dumb slut
I fucking hate this bitch

>>8073332
Further on this, can any KFP here answer for me.

Who exactly is Kiara now?

She's not the horny chicken.
She's not the yuribaiter.
She's not the singer.
She's not the living in japan EN.
She's not the offcollaber.
She's not the hololive super fan.

What exactly is kiara's identity now?

>The long JRPG streamer?
Other girls have longer JRPG streams.
>The loud one/yandere one
Other girls are louder and have more interesting content
>The multilingual language teacher
Other girls now do it better
>The talkshow host
What used to be a hololive event, she can barely manage 10k viewers

Is her sole identity now just tied to being a Tenchou?
How much good content actually comes from this? It's mostly just her making an endless amount of KFP's in minecraft

This is why I can't say she won't graduate, this kind of outlook is kind of bleak

>>8061068
Why are you retards so obsessed with numbers and fake graduations? It really shows that you don't watch vtubers at all

>>8073787
>Why are you retards so obsessed with numbers
idk, why don't you ask your oshi kfp-san?

>>8073756
Why

You

Type

Like

This?

>>8073756
>What exactly is kiara's identity now?
being based

>>8073787
>specific vtuber is obsessed with number fagging, making it a meme to rewatch her last song despite it being months since it dropped
>just had a large member of hololive graduate because she wasn't happy there
Anon stop being retarded

>>8073866
She hasn't done a cooking stream since valentines day, what exactly is she doing that's either different or better than anyone else in hololive, I can't think of anything kiara now represents that other girls aren't just better at

>>8061131
I'd kill for a timeline where Ironmouse became a Holo or Niji, man. She doesn't deserve those retards.
>>8072488
Huh. Didn't know that.
Kinda nor surprised though.
>>8073887
>just
What'd I miss?
Coco's graduation can't be it, right?

>>8074063
Yeah, Kson is doing fine now, said that hololive as coco just wasn't fun anymore because she was constantly comparing herself to the other girls and was feeling depressed
She streams almost every day now and it's good content, she's been getting in gunpla

>>8073854
I don’t get the hate for Reddit spacing. For something small yeah there’s no point, but if you’re gonna type a novel and expect me to even humor you you better at least clean that shit up a little and make it not look like a run on sentence.

>>8073887
Coco had a place to return to, Kiara doesn't, and don't even bring up "b-but she streamed on her roommate account" yeah just a one time thing for her birthday jackass. She knows she ain't getting even 20% of what she has going in Hololive if she decides to leave.
Kiara obviously enjoys her financially comfortable life now, so why risk it? And for sure she's not leaving without getting 3D when it's finally possible.

>>8074173
That's fine and all, but 'just' feels still stretching definitions.
> because she was constantly comparing herself to the other girls and was feeling depressed
That's pretty damn unwarranted, but it's not really anything I'm not used to. The Big Two ENtubers I watch the most (Selen Tatsuki and Calliope Mori) have the exact same problem with exactly as little reason.

>>8073887
she probably believes she'll get the same numbers as kson if she leaves to her roommate's channel

>>8072480
Yeah but so would a ton of JPs if they had 50 English speakers in the group. I don’t even care that much for the 1st EN Gen let alone 8 more

>>8074380
Kson said that even with the chinese trolls, it was the management making it hard to collab and do fun things together that just made her compare herself to all the other girls being able to do whatever, made her unhappy and just want to go solo
>>8074316
What >>8074390 said, the reason kiara is using her kiara voice in IRL videos means she is prepping her audience
She was always funneling people to her IRL, she only stopped when management asked her to tone it down

Kson didn't have that many people subbed to her either, she grew exponentially as soon as the graduation announcement happened.

>>8074420
That's kinda the point.
You can't really compare numbers between EN's, JP's, and ID's. They all have different audience standards.

>>8072488
I'd recommend watching streams, she's been positively amazing since she's back in europe.
>she ended yuri shipping
what?
>and had a huge over reaction to being called bottomleft
Oh no, telling people to stop missusing an already overused joke. No one in Hololive has ever done something like that before.

>>8074748
kys KFP

>>8073756
>She's not the yuribaiter.
She is tho. Even multi target now (Pomu, Ame, Mori, Nene, etc)
>She's not the singer.
She's still trying to achieve that with mixed results
>She's not the living in japan EN.
No, but she's the only one in Europe now
>She's not the offcollaber.
She is.
>She's not the hololive super fan.
She absolutely is.
>Other girls have longer JRPG streams.
Not in EN
>Other girls are louder and have more interesting content
Not in En
>The multilingual language teacher
Only Irys, that's not many
>What used to be a hololive event, she can barely manage 10k viewers
Number of viewers on holotalk is 90% determined by the guest, just wait the haachama holotalk.

>>8074748
She's been positively frustrating since she's back in Europe. I just don't vibe with her content anymore and was a KFP before.

>>8073332
>none of the JOP fans like her despite all her pandering
Pic related, also if I remember correctly the highest Yen amount and percentage

>>8074748
>telling people to stop missusing an already overused joke
she was seething at the bottom left meme from day 1

>>8074856
Mori is surprisingly high

>>8074795
>>She's not the offcollaber.
>She is.
I'm retarded, I read that as if she were doing lots of collab not "off-collab". Well no. But there isn't many off-collab in EN anyway.

>>8074925
I'd actually say she's suprisingly low given that she streams purely on japanese times.
The spike above Kiara was if I remember correctly a month with a JP only stream

>>8074293
Paragraphs aren't Reddit spacing.

It's perfectly fine to break up a long block of text into more digestible chunks.

The problem comes from breaking up every single sentence.

There's just no fucking point and, if anything, is insulting to the people reading the post that their attentionspan is

too small

and they're just

too stupid

to read a paragraph.

>>8074920
And yet she accepted it until it wasn't funny anymore and legit disrupting streams.
I swear eggs are ready to accept the stupidest reddit shits if it can be used as an argument against Kiara.

>>8074856
NO NO NO YOU CAN'T DEBUNK MY RRATS DELETE THIS

>>8075036
>EGG EGG EGG EGG EGG EGG EGG EGG EGG EGG EGG
speaking of unfunny, overused jokes

>>8075100
*cracks

>>8075100
It's not a joke, they think to dislike Kiara you have to be in the evil discord

>>8061068
She's the biggest earner they aren't going to let het go so easily

>>8075139
*cums on you

>>8074293
You're not typing a novel, faggot, you're typing a post on a macanese waffle drying forum
Respect the space out of which you take chunks to write your input, the lack of double new lines doesn't make it uncomfortable to read

>>8075029
people who think paragraphs are reddit spacing have never used markdown in their life

>>8074856
10 months ago, Kiara was practically dedicating 1/3rd of her stream to speaking japanese
That means 30+% of the stream time dedicated to 4-8% of your audience.

>>8074795
She isn't interested in yuribaiting anymore, she had a perfect target with someone like Nyanners and let it flop
This is because she said she was never a fan of it, and only did it because fans wanted it, link related
https://litter.catbox.moe/a71gun.mp4

Being in EU is nothing, being in japan meant offcollabs with other hololive members and getting a 3d model first, doing local promotions
Reine, Ollie and Irys are all multilingual
Sure, it is determined by guest, but many there is a serious drop off with holotalk numbers
>>8074748
That overused joke was something she wanted, her entire image she made of herself in the first half year of hololive has been almost completely abandoned

At the end of the year, I don't really know what actually stands her apart from anyone else anymore

>>8075029
Yes, I do expect most of you to have a bad attention span
>>8075067
I address this >>8075357
>10 months ago, Kiara was practically dedicating 1/3rd of her stream to speaking japanese
>That means 30+% of the stream time dedicated to 4-8% of your audience.

>>8061068
Don't set yourself up for disappointment, friend

>>8075213
>respect the space
Are you a phonefag?

>>8073729
What, the chart game was Mori's idea, and Amelia was the one hosting and moving the chart, Kiara was the host.

>>8075139
Where might I perchance find this awful discord, that I may report it for harassment of course

>>8075357
>10 months ago, Kiara was practically dedicating 1/3rd of her stream to speaking japanese
It was never that much outside of maybe the debut and first week.
>that clip
Jesus Christ are you trying to catch newfags?
Because you're using a fucking December clip where she responds to one faggot who persistent in SC in bitching about Takamori.
She didn't stop Takamori or flirting with other holos afterwards.
>She isn't interested in yuribaiting anymore, she had a perfect target with someone like Nyanners and let it flop
If you hadn't noticed both Nyanners and Kiara were nervous as fuck for that collab.
>being in japan meant offcollabs with other hololive members
True, but that becomes less of an issue if/when travel restrictions are lifted.
>and getting a 3d model first
Not happening, they're going strict by seniority, see ID1 announcing their 3D at their anniversary.
>doing local promotions
Not happening with an EN. And she's still heavily involved in regular promotions given that only Mori has more sponsored streams

>>8061068
We can hope but I doubt it, she'll cling on to the others like a cockroach for as long as she possibly can.

>>8075572
How would I know, I only know that egg thing has been going on after they fished up an image of the dude running it and he looked like an egg

>>8075357
>https://litter.catbox.moe/a71gun.mp4
What is that supposed to prove? It's a super-old clip and even if she doesn't initiate and does it for the fans, she said in this very clip that she's enjoying it too. This clip doesn't prove "I'm not going to yuri-bait anymore", but more like "Some fans enjoy it and I enjoy it you, so fuck you I guess". Nothing changed after that SC.
And did you watch any Kiara collab lately? She's yuri-baiting with everyone all the time.
She didn't yuri-baited Nyanner, but she was already thankful that the collab could happen at all, instead she's busy yuri-baiting Pomu right now.

>Being in EU is nothing
It's not nothing, it means she's the only one in her timezone. She did change her timeslot many time which is not helping, but she is the only one in all Hololive that europoors can watch fully.

All the other points still stand.

>>8075622
>>8075746
That anon is too far gone you can not save him.
He sounds fucking obsessed, and will go on to keep spiraling everything into Kiara is willing to leave Hololive just because she falls behind.
Honestly he sounds like one of the control freaks in kfp not gonna lie.

>>8075746
>she is the only one in all Hololive that europoors can watch fully
That's assuming everyone only watches their timeslot. My favorite thing about working from home is that I can watch JP primetime during work and no commute means I can stay up late into the night to catch US timeslot streams. Can't speak for everyone, of course.
Also I haven't been following your argument, just wanted to add this.

>>8075572
It has been done countless time, they just create another. What people actually do is lurk and expose them when they start with the ideas of raiding or any other bullshit.

Some of it is disgusting though, like how Kiara's antis actually ERP as her in the discord, people that obsess so much not even with an enjoyable hobbie, but with hating a person, are not particularly healthy neither physically or mentally

the seething at the orange woman is hilarious, you are a parody of yourselves

>>8075889
Was one of them the same one who fucking used my EN oshi's art tags to spam Kiara doxx while impersonating her on Twitter?
They seriously need to stop, spam the kfp tag for all I care but fucking using other Holos' tags to spread that shit is fucking pathetic, they also immediately delete everything when they got one single reply too, jesus the schizps...

>>8075847
As an europoor, sure I can watch JP during work or the night sheep during the evening, but Ame and Gura start streaming at 2 or 3 AM on week days. Literally unwatchable.

>>8073756
>>8061068
Kiara loves streaming and loves being there talking for countless hours to no end with her fans every day.

She will never really fail as a streamer, you don't need to anything better than anyone. I know this because it's how my oshi went from one of the most unpopular and hated Holos to the top. Just being there for your fans is such an absurdly valuable thing, and the reason why you can never really break her fan's will, they always have joy about their oshi, while her antis only have impotent hatred, and that's just how you defeat your antis, by having fun.

Kiara will keep growing, it helps that she is someone that loves interacting with people and making new friends too.

>>8076263
Well yes, I was referring to Gura when I said I stayed up late. I can work off 4 hours of sleep twice or thrice a week.
t. Kraut

>>8076327
I really don't know who these schizos are trying to convince, people who see Kiara know that she's happier than she's ever been

>>8076327
Screenshotting this so I can make fun of you when she graduates

>>8061068
>most sc member
>biggest membership
>most offline participation
>has her own manager
You guys know hating soneone wont make it dissapear, you could just ignore her

>>8077494
She is not the most sc member and doesn't have the biggest membership.
She also shares the manager with Ame and Gura.She still makes quite a lot though, even if she is declining these past few weeks.
t. KFP

>>8077564
Gura, ame and ina share the same manager and yes, is still number 1 in sc unless other holoen has an event or something big

>>8077494
> most sc member
That would be Mori
> biggest membership
That would be Gura
> most offline participation
You're gonna have to be more clear on that one, you mean off-collabs or the fact she appeared at DoKomi? Either way you still got that one right so good job I guess.
> has her own manager
Jenma also manages Ame and Gura, even the most cavemen anon of /vt/ know that, so stop falsefagging kfp.

>>8077656
No. Ina has a manager for herself. Kiara's manager also have Ame and Gura.
Here's who's officially managing who: https://twitter.com/FubukioYuki/status/1386122705800286211 (confirm by Kiara on stream)

I don't know about the SC. I'm not a numberfag.

t. Also KFP

>>8061068
She was already the last to hit 1 million

>>8061068
Do Kiara antis actually believe this? If the reason to graduate a chuuba were solely for their subscribers numbers, more than half holo jp, holostars as a whole and some IDs would've graduated already.

>>8078537
Yes, they unironically believe that. And that's the funniest part.

>>8078537
This is what attracting western retards to a fandom does, you have a massive influx of retards that have no idea what they're talking about coming in and spouting nonsense all over.

>>8077934
>Ina has a manager for herself.
What's there to manage?
Calli having her own manager makes sense since she needs a trillion and one things approved and paid for and comissioned but Ina just like. Has her drawing circle and the odd MV.

>>8081944
A manager for herself in EN. We don't actually know if the EN managers aren't in charge of JP girls as well.

I believe I've seen something about J-chad being also Coco's manager, but don't quote me on that.

>>8082132
Ah that'd be a lot more reasonable then.
>J-Chad also coco's manager
Please no.
Would explain some of the more atrocious numberfagging that's been alluded to.

>>8074579
>Kson said that even with the chinese trolls, it was the management making it hard to collab and do fun things together that just made her compare herself to all the other girls being able to do whatever, made her unhappy and just want to go solo
Ouch. Talk about killing the golden fucking goose, huh.
>>8082132
If both of these are true it'd explain some of the weirder things Calli's apparently had to deal with. Sounds like we've got a bad case of Sony management on our hands.

>>8061068
no