/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>80461371
Kek. Maybe this is why he's currying favor from doxxsagi. To overlook whatever retardation he gets into.

>>80461371
I don't think this is gonna be a drama video. It's considered unseemly to make drama videos about members content, isn't it?

>>80463400
>it's considered unseemly
dramanigs have no morals, as long as they paraphrase they'll be safe
the story is too good: holostar talent complaining about hate from the hololive community

>>80463400
Depends on how much attention this actually gets. If no one else but /here/ cares about it then no, but if other places actuslly catch wind then possibly.

>>80461371

>>80465269
You’re retarded, all the dramachannels get their news from here, the fact that it was talked about so much here means they are guaranteed to do a video on it

>>80461371
all part of his plan, you just got baited to seethe anons

>>80465535
>It was a social experiment

>>80465535
Same thing like Millie’s GC stream but look where that got them. When will fucking flips learn that trying to “own le haters” will only get them into stupid situations

>>80463400
It is, unfortunately dramafags are probably going to do it and I unironically blame Niji for this

Hear me out, Selen's termination was like a blessing from the sky for dramafags, they got material for months and peddled their rats and broke containment, including membership content eventually gaining clout that they shouldn't have. Now that news about Niji have slowed down they NEED something to make more drama and money about and this is perfect for them, even if it's membership content.

These kind of people will take any perceived weakness and jump on it, even if it's Holo they are going about, ESPECIALLY if it's holo, because they need to be seen as morally righteous, and what is more righteous than going against the big bad company?

TLDR: Dramafags should have been gatekept harder

>>80463400
Dramaniggers literally browse this place on stream.

meds

>>80465999
> (gc stream vs membership stream)
ogey

>>80469508
Yeah, Millie has bigger balls than Jewtard.

>>80472058
>hello 4channers
so true, holy based

>>80461741
If you see any leaked gossip about the girls, just know that it's coming from ERB to this faggot.

>>80461371
>To starmin
Jurard is stupid but don't get the rest of the stars in this.

>>80472582
Retard?

>>80469508
> p-please don't clip it
Jurard """"chad"""" faggot (i genuidly don't remember his last name so this will do)

>>80461371
Can I get uhhhhh....QRD?

holy based

>>80473823
>calling out 4chan
seems retarded

>>80461371
>When will the holostar talents do or achieve something that the hololive audience can be happy about?
that's the real question
like what the fuck did this fuckers ever do?
their whole branch is subsidized by hololive and for what? SO this dumb red fucker could sit there and cry about being ignored on twitter and "getting hate"?
What the fuck even is this? Aren't stars also idols? Or did they just straight up dropped any idol related stuff? Even less reasons for them to be in any proximity of hololive.
Dumb clown show

>>80461371
Total unicorn death

>>80475642
even jp stars are moving away from idolshit with their last big concert named movin on lmao

>>80475642
Nobody is subsidizing them, stop with this crap. You guys have no fucking clue about how much an agency needs to be sustainable. You have it twisted due to Hololive and Niji. Holostars is more profitable than most of their competition. And even thou they are smaller, they still generated millions of dollars in revenue just from SC's alone. They make more than enough money to be self-sustaining. It may shock you to discover guys, but Hololive wasn't always generating hundreds of million of dollars a year either.

>>80472661
ERB is a bleeding heart that wants to get along with people and be nice, which is the only reason jutard gets any attention from her at all despite being a faggot flip retard with a failure major that believes hate marketing works
The most he'd ever get out of that sort of interaction is some pats on the back telling him he shouldn't jump into the pacific for being stupid
The second he ever did anything that goes against her "let's all get along" stance and was outright unpleasant to someone else, he'd get cut loose and thrown to the horde

>>80463400
That didn't stop several channels from doing one on Enna "don't go looking for the truth" member stream (omitting actual context in the process, obviously). They don't care if it's a member content, as long as it brings them views.

>>80476774
People don't realize just how low operation costs actually are for vtubers, there's zero upkeep
Divvy up the cuts from income, and after that it's all reinvestment if they do anything more with profit
It's practically impossible to have a drain on resources that nets zero profit unless a vtuber goes 100% AWOL with no passive branding to bring in money

>>80477048
sure buddy astel says hes poor as shit means nothing i guess

>>80477048
Exactly... the biggest cost of a vtuber agency is the debut, because the models are expensive and so is putting everything together. But that is the highest cost they hit. 3D is actually cheaper than the live2D surprisingly enough. Unless you build the infrastructure from zero, even costs for 3D are minimal. But the operating costs are low.

>>80476774
>>80477048
Oh fuck, sisters are trying to sound smart. Just shut the hell up and go clean or some shit.

>>80477190
He's poor as shit because that retard keep doing projects that are extremely expensive, multiple times a year.
Cover kind of saved his wallet by limiting the amount of 3D live a talent can do.

>>80477048
Yeah there's no money lost at all by wasting dozens of days of 3D studio on homos which could be used on Hololive talents.
One concert of girls is worth more than entire homo branch. Kill yourself.

>>80477190
First of all, Astels financial condition has nothing to do with the subject here - the idea that Holostars is subsidized.
Second, that is bullshit. Where did Astel ever said that?

>>80475642
they're talking shit and ruining the business of the girls that fill their paychecks

Did he actually do something or is catalog just malding because a filthy moid dared to exist as usual

>>80461741
Since when does he care about anyone other than Pekora?

>>80477441
You clowns need to grow the fuck up, and learn that not everyone who isn't agreeing with your bullshit is a sister or whatever. In the 5 years I've been a vtuber fan, I never had any interest in another group than Hololive. So kindly fuck up. I don't know how smart I sound, but you be sure you sound absolutely retarded.

>>80477649
Are you implying that Hololive would be able to give the homos all that they have been given even if the girls didn't exist? Those faggots are subsidized even if not directly just by the infrastructure paved by others.

>>80477761
He openly declared war on idol culture and unicorns.I'm not even making this up.

>>80477761
He said some stuff dunking on Unicorns in membership so they are deliberately misquoting him out of context to pretend they are defending the honour of the girls (ironic since that is exactly what he was doing when the quote is properly contextualized) and then use that to mass report him to Cover for "slander".

>>80477851
/vt/ in general has no argumentation skills whatsoever, they just deflect constantly to niji
That company can't collapse soon enough, maybe then /vt/fags will be forced to actually address the points made in a post

>>80477851
Nobody cares what a homo loving faggot like you thinks anyways.

>>80461741
Rima is also a flip iirc, i think he know her personally.

>>80465999
>Lyrica was his oshi and inspired him to be a vtuber.
It checks out.

>>80463400
Bruh they can just copy paste all the log with soundbit snippet.

>>80477609
Stars have historically had a third party studio on tap for YEARS, which the hololive side has never done despite desperately needing more availability because they have so many talents
Blame the hololive management for being penny pinching misers in regards to using outside resources and using funds

>>80477609
Once again you guys prove you have no fucking clue what the hell are you talking about. Cover has like 5-7 studio's, not one. There are 2 big ones and 3 smaller ones in their new office, plus 2 other in the old office that are still in use. Nobody is spending dozens of days recording either. A 1 hour 3D concert recording takes maybe 2 hours at most, and they record multiple concerts, or multiple portions of concerts. You think that those girls invite each other to their 3D and then the guest would take a day off to come and record a 3 min song? No. They are all there in the same day, to record for multiple concerts in the same day - that's more practical. Cover will never going to start pooping 3D content for the girls either if Holostars don't exist. They barely get 3D content anyway. But more importantly, Cover is renting the studio to game companies and outsiders, as another way to generate revenue. This was their plan from the start.

>>80478231
Having watched both, the vibe I get is that stars managers are just closer in general with the talents compared to the girls. When the girls talk about managers they're usually pretty detached and business like in the way they talk about them. The stars' managers all have little fan nicknames like Babybird-mane, Toramane and Shikamane and they often hang around in stream chats like regulars/side characters the guys play off of

>>80477883
Possible. Cover shoot itself in the foot when it declared Hololive as virtual idols. Unlike with Nijisanji, the audience they had rejected Holostars, and that put Holostars in a corner from which it had a hard time getting. Meanwhile, Nijisanji built it's empire on the backs of Male vtubers, which are their biggest sale. In another world, the roles could have very well been reversed. Cover could have started Holostars first and end up with a male virtual idol agency with a large female fanbase that rejected female vtubers lol, and Niji would have built it's empire on female vtubers, lol.

>>80472661
The reason you faggots keep seething over her is because she doesn’t know jackshit about “vtuber culture” and its drama. I’m sure she doesn’t even know what sister means.

>>80478011
Nah, if Niji would somehow die, they would blame all the shit on Phasefags.

>>80461371
*steals your pagpag*

>>80478755
That's not only an incredible reach but also how would that benefit hololive over niji? If they (hololive) would have done what ninji does and niniji did what hololive does. That's a retarded zero sum game as so too would the roles be reverse and the outcomes.

>>80478644
I think the difference is that there's less management on Stars-side overall
Holos have their personal managers, which are their babysitters so they don't eat too many crayons and die, and then there's the upper-middle management that controls resources and everything else
Meanwhile for homos, there's only ever mention of the personal managers, one of which took over for EN Stars management when they had the actually good idea of separating the two management sides because it was a logistical nightmare to juggle both
Odds are Stars management is more horizontal rather than vertical because they have the freedom of not being the "main" and allowed to do things their own way (because they ARE different companies under the same parent, after all)
tl;dr middle management fucking sucks and are a bunch of useless balding out of touch retards just like every other corporation

>>80478644
Yea anon, we all know star manager have a groomer relationship with homostar. Didn't that shortcake video which axel hand feed her giggling branch manager aka homoen director(currently), doesn't clue you in?

>>80461371
>This is going to spread far and wide thanks to drama videos (from your filipino friends)
THIS certainly is true KEK

>>80463400
it's considered unseemly to openly shit talk your coworkers, imply that they are fake on stream, and admit to starting shit for both them and yourself on twitter to get your name out there with hate marketing too

>>80478364
>Nobody is spending dozens of days recording either.
You're fucking retarded. I didn't say there's one person spending dozens of days. There's shitload of homos at this point and they all get their 3D events. That adds up.

>>80479429
I don't dislike stars as a concept, or even most of the members since I don't even bother engaging with them
But jutard is a fucking retard with a loud mouth that unironically needs a lecture on how to behave in civilized society because he's dragging everyone else down with him like a crab in a bucket

>>80478364
>But more importantly, Cover is renting the studio to game companies and outsiders, as another way to generate revenue. This was their plan from the start.
But more importantly, Cover could be renting out the studio to game companies and outsiders even more if they weren't using it on Holostars which would mean they would have more money and/or time for investing into girls. Didn't think of that, eh?
No matter how you slice it, grasp for straws, twist the meaning and perform mental gymnastics, the fact remains the same and is very simple - Holostars are a waste of resources, harming the girls.

>>80479634
he just needs to be fired. As much as some people here hated Vesper he was never truly worthy of being terminated but Jurtard has literally done everything he could to be a bad actor. Holotori begging pre-debut, bringing up a weird fan letter to Pekora during debut, replying to DN, and now admitting that he wishes happy birthday to the girls who avoid the Stars on twitter to both pressure them into replying and to hate market himself. Worst mistake of a hire HoloPro has ever made.

>>80461371
when will corpos learn to stop hiring flips? they're all dramanigger subhumans at their core.

>>80479864
Much like men as a while, thankfully progressivism is gradually showing the worthlessness of men to society and replacing them

>>80479885
He'll probably get lectures, bonks, and suspensions over time because he's a retarded flip with no filter who thinks he's hot shit, so I'll just let that happen on its own
I don't really want to waste any energy on him at all when he'll just face inevitable consequences anyway

>>80479885
Vesper didn't get canned, he didn't renew contract because he was sick of perms autism and didn't want to do the whole singing and dancing idol thing
They wouldn't make a brand new model for a guy they were getting rid of only so he could use it once

>>80465376
Damn that wasn't even that long, do you need fucking subway surfers going along this post just to read it retard

>>80480178
I'm not saying Vesper got canned I'm saying that people were on this board saying he should have been canned

>>80480312
They say that about every male though, so it really doesn't matter how they behave

the way he talks about iron mouse about how she can take it and how its great marketing despite manager reprimand tells you how little care he has for other people. ironmouse was not amused which is why she dipped from that convo. people dont mind interacting, but when u start clout chasing like that it just leaves a bad taste in the other parties mouth and puts them on the spot. they cant just call you out because you are in Hololve, very insensitive of him to push himself like that on others. these narcissists think that just because the pushback wasnt that big they can just keep going, you give them an inch they take a mile because they only care about themselves. they dont stop to think "hey maybe this is an inconvenience for the other party" because they lack the empathy and emotional intellect. i am not trying to slaughter the guy but its pretty clear this is the issue. maybe hell grow out of his narcissism, but i know 70 year olds that are still narcissists

>>80480402
True but Vesper really got it the worst after the Kronii shit

>>80480018
Don't respond to me ever again.

>>80476774
>They make more than enough money to be self-sustaining.
They do not make enough money to be on hololive level of quality tho. All the super experienced staff, huge studio, connections are there because of hololive. Stars did nothing to achieve any of that.

Is it money? Why not be content you can befriend some of the holos? I would be fine with that

I'm out of the loop, what did that niggerfaggot do?

>>80478364
>plus 2 other in the old office that are still in use
stop making shit up, retard
cover barely was able to find right people to staff the new studio

>>80480791
equivalent of Millie's secret GC stream but only in his membership.

>>80480791
Ignoring people taking things one way or another to fit what they want to say, at the absolute base of it all which everyone can agree on, he's admitted to going for "hate clicks" because he thinks all publicity is good publicity and doesn't care who he drags down with it as long as he gets attention

>>80461371
EN was a mistake. Or rather, expanding past Tempus 1 was an even bigger mistake.

>>80480696
Attention. Drama. Anger at the bigger names ignoring him. Take your pick.

>>80480791
Implied that all he talks to a lot of the girls off-stream
implied that they act different when interacting with the him off-stream
implied that some of them are pressured into avoiding him
admitted he wishes happy birthday to girls who don't interact with him because he feels like he can
says he "accepts" that some girls are strictly no contact
basically said the same "idol culture" shit Kronii did
admitted that he will start drama by replying to a girl who avoids the Stars on twitter in order to get his name spread via hate marketing

>>80481425
>admitted that he will start drama by replying to a girl who avoids the Stars on twitter in order to get his name spread via hate marketing
hmm
this means we can report his tweets for instigating harassment

>>80480696
To me, this looks like the first amount of relevance and power he's ever had in his life and thinks he's hot shit, but then comes manager with his leash on hand and reminds him who's whose's bitch
And now he has to be reminded that he's not the MC of the world, nor hololive's and that all he's beeing doing is literal leeching and clout chasing, and that he ought to cut that shit out because even if he can take being a heel he's bringing shit to the rest of his (better performing) teammates
But he's gonna take it as a personal offense and ignore everything that goes against his own ideas
Like a fucking retard

>>80481737
it won't do anything but yeah
If anything this will just piss off management because despite what this flip retard thinks, hate marketing does not reflect well on the HoloPro brand

>>80466010
This, when falseyed won his case against Kurosanji I knew it was gonna be the beginning of the end, dramafags have no alignment, they are like piranhas, if you feed them they will follow you around because of the food you provide and will be at the dock waiting for you always but if you accidentally fall in the water they'll eat you alive with no second thoughts.

>>80482013
He doesn't realize that if he ever wants to do anything in the future, he needs people to LIKE him, not hate him
Outside sponsors don't look at hate press as you being a good investment, and his own management will shoot down his ideas because he won't have any built-up trust

>>80477649
Anon is exaggerating things he heard hearsay, as this board likes to do. What Astel said is that one major funding source for their 3D streams is their merch sales, but last year Holostars only got one merch set instead of the usual two, so Astel essentially spent a lot of money on his anniversary but had no merch so he made nothing back. As a result he had no money to do a birthday 3D live this year, but it was right before their venue live so he didn't mind too much.

>>80474189
He spent 27 minutes "owning" the 10 containment breakers that talk shit to him on twitter. Going on and on about how he's untouchable and they are losers

The good part: He asked chat to not beg for collabs, "do not be beggars"
The bad part: everything else, including not stopping chat from talking shit about hololive fans

>>80482206
Hate marketing only works when you don't need an overall good image and you aren't attached to a company that prides itself on having a pristine public image. I don't think his small flip brain can comprehend that one of the core pillars of Hololive is their clean public image and him openly admitting to hate marketing and claiming that the girls are different behind the scenes is a colossal fuckup.

>>80482390
ironic that he asked chat not to be beggars while admitting he wishes girls who avoid the Stars happy birthday on twitter to beg for either a response or hate marketing

>>80478231
You really spewed all this shit ignoring Aqua's birthday had to be delayed because astel asked for the studio first????? where were these 3rd party studios for the homos???????

>>80476831
This
ERB is a literal fish out of water, Justice will probably guide her through the idol journey just fine but she's too new to realize the hard boundaries between Hololive and Holostars and the consequences of breaking them

If you want to include holostars, at least do it right. Suisei, Astel and Izuru stole the show for the new year 2022-2023, that's how you're supposed to do it. Don't talk, act.

>>80482752
Nah, it's not even a boundary thing
I wouldn't give half a fuck about a song with Axel or occasional collabs or some stupid shit like that, it's faggots like jutard that take advantage of kindness and olive branches to try and prop themselves up to the detriment of others without giving anything back in return that I find absolutely abhorrent

>>80475642
Stars exists for the same reason the WNBA exists.

>>80478755
>Cover shoot itself in the foot when it declared Hololive as virtual idols.
Yagoo launched Holostars project at the same time as the idol project (SSS song production)
Research your shit retard.

>>80483003
Typical social climbing behavior
No wonder this hack became a vtuber instead of an e-boy who gets big advertising deals in the Philippines
He's not even that charismatic to pull of the MEMEME crap, he acts like a dramatuber parasite

>>80466010
>blame Niji
>when the dramafags were Niji antis supported by YOU
lol keep sending your salary to legal eagle.

>>80466010
This
TOTAL DRAMAFAG DEATH

>>80479885
Bringing in doxsagi is probably his biggest sin before this
Cover should've went harder on doxsagi

>>80482394
This
Hololive just had a landmark collaboration with the biggest MLB team with the face of baseball
If they want to continue this squeaky clean image they will need to remove the bad seeds who openly invite heat onto the company

>>80483954
The Hologirls have had impressively clean reputations for as long as Hololive has been around. Even Rushia's stuff only really came out more than a year after she was terminated. Besides Mori's twitter fuck ups you won't see any Holo girl going on twitter to bait drama like this dumb flip, and you especially wouldn't see them openly admitting to antagonizing someone else's fans

qrd on Vesper and what happened to Kronii? i stopped watching for a few months and when i came back everyone hated both of them

>>80461371
you have 10 threads about this fag, I fucking hate you homo obsessed schizos. a decent thread died for this shit

in a past time, I would've been pissed about this
now, though, anyone seething about it deserves the mental anguish
(you) have earned this

>>80484211
>a decent thread
>/vt/
let's not kid ourselves here

>>80475642
Absolutely the most based ESL in this thread.

>>80479885
Vesper was way worse than Jurard. The difference is that Vesper was much more charming so people let it slide, but basically everything we know about the situation paints him in a volatile light. It's not even about his interactions with the girls, he was constantly dragging down the other boys and did a ton of damage to their work.

Jurard is a retard and a brand risk but he's never actually done anything wrong. He's just far worse at PR. There was constant tension between Vesper and his genmates towards the end of his tenure, fights that lost privileges and permissions, projects left incomplete while the others had to make up for him, and then we found out after his graduation that he had become a fucking legal risk to the company.

>>80479137
From what I understand, there's at least 3 sets of:
- the specific talent managers (Tora-mane, Shika-mane, etc.); usually one manager for 2 talents
- the managers above them that do the general work (Axel calls one of them "Maes Hughes" and it seems like they handle shit the personal managers don't)
- Gori-mane, the Stars director (the director prior was Altare's old manager and he moved up in Cover's management from what I recall)

>>80479215
>"HE FED HER STRAWBERRIES SHE GIGGLED ARGLE BARGLE"
I was at that stream. And from the times I've rewatched it, I can tell you she was eating strawberries from the carton. If he fed her one, I've legitimately never fucking noticed due to the sheer chaos of everything. (Actually the only fruit he Axel gave her was a banana for the gorilla gag. And she threw the peel at him.) She also was laughing at him for being stupid. Also Gori-mane was the one to eat the first slice cause she was the only other person there; Axel and her knew it would be a disaster, that was the funny part of it. I have to laugh because if this was reversed, that it was one of the girls and her female manager, /here/ would be raving about the "lesbianism"/"oh my gosh how cute" to this day.

>>80484187
Vesper wasn’t cut out for the corpo life and the idol behind the scenes stuff and so he quit
As for Kronii, ignoring the unicorn rrats of how the SALT collabs ruined her, people are worried she’s too in love with her female friend who is married and has a kid

>>80484211
>a decent thread died for this shit
lol

>>80485485
>people are worried she’s too in love with her female friend who is married and has a kid
w-what???

>>80484250
I've always said that Jurard was the literal personification of /vt/ as a chuuba for a reason.

>>80479515
>There's shitload of homos at this point and they all get their 3D events
I did the fucking math for you a while back (>>77714706), so I'm copying my own shit but here you go with updated numbers:

As it stands right now, if you just count the talents with 3D (I'm adding Advent here since we know their 3Ds are sometime either very late this month or in August), it comes out to: HoloJP = 34; ID = 9; EN = 15 and Stars JP = 13; Stars EN = 6. 58 girls versus 19 boys. (If you wanted to count ALL the talents in Holo right now, the number would be: HoloJP = 39; ID = 9; EN = 19 and Stars JP = 13; Stars EN = 10, so 67 vs. 23.) Bonus: that's a 3:1 ratio of girls to guy. In no world are they taking up more studio time than the girls.

>>80488241
>In no world are they taking up more studio time than the girls.
So fucking what? Nobody ever claimed that. The point is they are taking the time away from girls/other uses of the studio.
3 : 1 ratio is a travesty when earnings and popularity are like 20 : 1.

>>80479215
That's a lotta words you wrote just to make very little sense, angry reactionary ESL brown man. Perhaps you'd lie to start a dramatube channel about it instead.

>>80488877
The majority of complaints about studio time came from JPs eating up 90% of the time and ID and EN barely getting scraps (like Mori having her birthday that she reserved A YEAR AHEAD OF TIME taken away last minute because they needed it for JP so SHE was the one that had to pay out of pocket for a third party studio)

>>80489254
OK and? That's completely irrelevant to the fact that homos do take up the precious 3D studio time. That was the initial point. Stop straying from it, faggot.

JP girls deserve all the 3D studio time they can get.
When it comes to deserving 3D studio time it would be like
JP girls >> EN girls >>>> ID girls >> homos.
JP girls are the ones who built the company. JP girls are the ones who are more popular. JP girls are the ones who attract highest audiences for their 3D events. Trying to act as if them getting deserved better treatment is something bad just shows you have zero respect for Hololive. If you're trying to make a point that Mori got rescheduled in favor of JP girls, you should instead be getting butthurt that it was Mori getting rescheduled and not a Holostar.

Why the fuck aren't you capable of holding an honest conversation and keep deflecting or making up strawmen? Feels like you're a disingenuous homofag who's trying to lie about the situation and masking it with a sprinkle of only somewhat related facts deprived of context.

>>80490229
you're crying about how holostars use the studio for once or twice a month like they're the only one who use them lmao you have so much free time huh? no job? you relay on unicorns and think you're part of it so to support the girls you come here and copy everyone else's narrative? I've seen that same narrative multiple times here now. is that how low hololive fans are? hm so this is 4chan lmao so meh

>>80477851
And you need to KYS and stream it.

>>80491180
Yeah leeches don't deserve shit and should be cut off.

>>80477851
Cry about it faggot

Why the fuck does this idiot even THINK people care about him when every single thing people say about him is either negative or rage bait? This dude is a class A retard, period. He is literally "i'm only pretending to be retarded" macro, but as a vtuber.

bumping this gem