/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

Holobronies in full copium mode after Koshien, parading the dead body of a streamer who is doing better without hololive to cope. Good luck getting more than 200k ever again.

>>7976302
This is a hololive without my wife. Watching hololive without my wife is like eating Curry Rice without using any plates. Completely Baseless. Tell me holobros. How does it feel knowing that from now on you will be eating off the floor like pathetic Nijisanji Dogs.

Gotta say I’m impressed. If she played her hand right this could become her thing

7976393
Already trying to shit up the thread, fuck off tribalist fag.

>Hololive's top stream of the day was a couple hags casually playing Blackjack and Tetris
Are the other girls in the company even trying?

>>7976393
>Holobronies in full copium mode
Not after the announcement of Holo EN Gen 2. Should be very good numbers.

>>7976302
>daily ranks
from >>7967341

>>7976393
It's ok, you guys can dicksuck each other over HoloENoMEN's crazy debut numbers that will overshadow Edengumi and you'll finally leave them alone

>N-Ninomae Ina’nis...
What is this game, some sponsored mobile shovelware?

>>7976618
I watched only out of initial interest. Most probably were just curious as well. It got boring after a bit.

>>7976873
She has almost as many viewers as the game originally sold in its opening week. I wish I was joking.

It looks like the njisanji koshien mogging is not done yet part two is on it's way. This time they have backup.

>>7976446
Hololive fans be like:

>>7977440
Good and smart stuff. Didn’t Subaru take part of something with them in the past, baseball related?

>>7977440
This won't get the same amount of views so quit it with mog posting

>>7976302
It's getting more and more difficult for VTubers to get into JP top 1 as time passes. But today Niji got our back! Thanks Niji!

>>7977440
P-Please holobronybros, this is too much. I can't stand seeing our shark's numbers being btfo this much. She has the western children audience which is like playing youtube on easy mode. Why was her record surpassed?

>>7977686
We don't need the same amount.
But it will be enough to get into top 10 most watched vtubers streams. Maybe even top 5. So it's worth it.

>>7977686
How do you know that it this has potential to be bigger then the actually final's. Image this they turn both jun and HikakinTV into players that will get mad views. At this point invite invite a couple of holos like fubuki and subura and you get their audience. This is going to be huge anon.

>>7976618
She's gonna drop this in a few months. Same with Haachama dropping Reddit Meme Review in a few months.

>>7977988
Why do you think so?
Haato still didn't drop her retarded Haato/Haachama clowning even though it got old and boring 2 weeks after it started.

>>7977841
It won't. But keep posting this so you can go OH NO NO NO when it doesn't.

I predict that as Holo EN Gen 2 approaches, that it will increase the numbers for Gen 1 as it draws in more viewers.

>>7977686
>ENTER MAN FROM THE FUTURE
Koshien Grand Event will easily top 300K Liveviewers.

>>7978464
Why wouldn't it? At least 150k is guaranteed considering the scope of the event.

>>7978761
No, especially depending on who they pick, it's more likely that indie friends will be joining. And even if Holos got in, why would Hololive fans watch it? There's men.

>>7977785
I'm just going to reply to this bait to note that anon being recommended this as a personalized playlist means YouTube thinks they're a child.

>>7978936
Yeah that anon has some suspicious activity. These are my recommended mixes (because I mostly listen to music) but when I go to people's specific channels I either get mixes of their channel, or again of music.

>>7978936
Are you in denial that Gura is popular with children? She tries to keep her content "family-friendly" and always apologizes when she curses. Pic related is literally the reason Cover made her into a kid shark. They're trend chasing numberfags after all.

>>7978629
I am afraid, the exact opposite will happen. HoloEN fanbase will become more spread out and average views will suffer.

>>7976618
How the fuck is the numberthread this consistently bad at interpreting numbers?
>Last stream before vacation
>First episode of hyped up show
>Includes Asacoco style skits
If she actually has the stamina to keep doing these weekly after her vacation it'll probably maintain decent numbers but not at that level.

>>7979009
Just watching Gura won't make YouTube recommend you kids content, though. Also Pekora is considerably more child-friendly but this never comes up for some reason.

>>7979009
LMAO, Guras main fanbase consists of preschoolers. I bet most of holofags in this board are examples of them, judging by their stupidity.

>>7979029
That makes no sense. As people find a Holo EN they like by increasing the choices (Gen 2), they are more likely to stay and grow the market. You cannot grow by only having a very limited selection. This limitation was causing people to look elsewhere, like to Niji EN. This limitation will finally be fixed.

Also I was referring to the interest in Gen 2 being generated even before it releases, thereby growing the numbers for Gen 1. Just watch.

>>7979009
>Cover made her into a kid shark
Actually no, and watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lC9IBIAuIg

>Gura hiding and peeking out to say shaaaark during her debut was Cover’s idea, because there is no other explanation for such an occurrence.

>>7979152
>Just watch
Watching

>tribalfag baitposting
>people replying to them
Off to a great start lads.

>>7979029
>>7979152
It'll really depend what kind of people cover is getting for gen2.
If they just pick up indie streaming chuubas that won't grow their audience.
Like NijiEN doesn't generate new vtuber watchers, HoloEn1 did, and to a lesser extent still does.

>>7979365
>HoloEn1 did grow the market
Yes, but the current problem for them now is low variety. I think if their are more choices (like with Gen 2), people will more easily find something they like.

>>7976814
nimu????

>>7976814
Again thanks for compiling this.

bros.. i thought nimu was a meme, whats going on here?
did nobody predict this? is she going to have a big spanish audience like ibai, etc?
it's over for peckers if that happens

>>7978790
I'm a Hololive fan and I certainly won't watch it. I refuse to watch anything that Nijisanji is involved in. Fuc0fny0k Nijishitty.

>>7979103
This place is 90% EOPs and unironic reddit users who believe the war criminal meme is true. They wouldn't know how popular she is with children or how family friendly she is.

Pic is for comparison purposes, as Gura will be playing Project Diva in 1 hour. Will she beat the number from 3 months ago, or not?

>>7980856
17-20k

>>7980856
Depends on many factors - concurrent streams, duration of this stream, arrangement of stars on the sky...

From 6 months ago

Given her recent numbers, much more likely >>7980856 than >>7980943

Ollie leaking “Minecraft EN Portal” relay in her schedule. If they’re merging the servers that will boost attention on the EN branch

>>7981073
Pretty sure it's not the day of merging, just building a portal as a relay

>>7980537
It was basically a matter of time. Selen is getting 3x the CCV Petra gets and Petra rarely gets above 2k on her streams nowadays. Subs and CCV don't have that much correlation, but it's clear that Petra's growth is slowing to a halt whereas Selen is arguably already the best NijiEN numbers-wise. Rosemi is pretty fucked tho ngl in both subs and CCV.

>>7981097
My point stands and even more then. Instead of merely merging they’ll milk it for attention and numbers (as they should)

>>7981140
Is there any holostats like archive for niji live viewers?

I know there is a huge difference between holojp and holoen offical YouTube channel's sub numbers but to have your new gen previews destroyed by error like this looks so bad. Most people on this board shat on error, and Matsuri too lately. Fubuki and Sora don't do great numbers either. And yet.

>>7981206
There was once, but not anymore.
Nijifags are not into numberfagging lately.

>>7981264
What you see is the effect of burning good will with the prelude.

>>7981206
This is all we got for NijiEN. >>7964033
It's all peaks tho, no average for streams.

>>7981264
People just want an official announcement, rather than guessing what the video means.

>>7981264
>most people on this board shat on error
This board shits on everything you disingenuous fuck. Error was well received among Hololive fans.

As for the channel thing, yeah, its dumb. I will never for the life of me understand why they don't just do these teasers on the official Hololive channel. You would get a much larger audience that way. Having HoloEN and HoloID official channels is dumb, just do it on the main channel.

>>7981405
>You would get a much larger audience that way. Having HoloEN and HoloID official channels is dumb, just do it on the main channel.
Exactly. The HoloEN girls often joke about the Hololive English official channel is barren and forgotten. It's not a Cover only problem tho, Niji does the same thing.

>>7981405
The reception here of course is negative this place is terrible but even among some hololive fans it was not a universally huge hit
https://twitter.com/neko_yama/status/1426866063552114694?s=20
Here is a a reasonably poplar illustrator and hololive fan talking about their disappointment in error so far as yesterdays stream was happening.
That said, to tell the whole story , after the game play was shown and it looks much better than some chilla's arts game shit that the japs eat up, the excitement is building again.

>>7981360
>most people
Just browse the hashtag #holoENOmen. Most people are either excited to see what's up, theorizing about everything, memeing or making fanart already. The vid itself got 42k likes with 183 dislikes. Your most people can't even be considered 1% of most people

>>7981458
>The HoloEN girls often joke about the Hololive English official channel is barren and forgotten
And for a good reason: nips don't usually go in foreign expeditions when creating companies, they find locals, create an independent subsidiary, delegate all authority over that domain to a hand picked head and let them do as they please, answering only to the board and the CEO.

I assume Hololive EN has this structure, a completely separated management of all things including their own separate channel to do as they please. If they're waiting for HQ to do it for them it will remain as barren and forgotten as it is now.

>>7981598
Not that I disagree with you but disappointed people, in general, don't go as far as hitting dislike, they just dislike in their head and move on.

>>7978761
It won't reach that number

>>7981405
> Having HoloEN and HoloID official channels is dumb, just do it on the main channel.

https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/live/broadcasts-and-streams

Because youtube has broadcast limitations. Having multiple channels fix this issue.
But I think it's more about branding. It gives a better idea on how strong the branding of each branch.

>>7981630
Did you forget the dislikes on Mori's vid? Or Matsuri or Miko or Marine or Aqua or Kiara? People will dislike if they really dislike it

>>7981318
The omen teasers already have more views despite being 2 weeks newer, I don't think they turned people off with the first video. It's just that the teaser isn't interesting. If you've seen a screenshot of the silhouettes at the end you've got no reason to watch the video.

>>7981458
The NijiEN channel used to post really well-made official translated highlights of JP livers. When NijiEN debuted, the highlights slowed to a crawl then stopped, and instead they just spam it with 30 second clips of the EN members that nobody watches. It's a bit strange.

>>7981264
Apples to oranges dude. Here's a better comparison.

>>7981693
>Matsuri or Miko or Marine or Aqua
Ok tbf these cases are literal antis disliking the video, the dislikes had nothing to do with the quality of the stream.

>>7981921
and holoEN originals

>>7981693
>People will dislike if they really dislike it
People will outwardly dislike if they dislike the creator, it is rarely about the video in itself.

>>7981826
Anon, it's a reveal of En 2nd gen silhouettes, it should be way higher

>>7981957
See >>7981944, you are letting the massive numbers for some videos to distort your perception of what consist in "high" and "low" viewership

>>7980856
>XTREME+ ONLY
nope, it will probably be more frustrating than usual for her

>>7981921
>>7981944
IRyS got higher views than these two. The growth is real.

Gen 2 will just split numbers with gen 1.

>>7981932
Since this is EN we are talking about, Mori and Kiara can be used as an example. Mori got feedback from her long time members. People also generally send SCs as well providing their "feedack" to the girls. Dislikes can happen but you have to understand that most people don't actually overreact to things to a point that they will dislike something. At this point holofans have this idea of EnMa being a troll with these misdirections so what they do is to just roll with the punches and meme everything. Tldr most holofans are chill.

>>7981988
I don't know, she's pretty good at rhythm games and Project Diva Mega Mix is not a very difficult one even on EX Extreme.

>>7981921
>Here's a better comparison.
Here’s a better explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soY4OYrcfO8

>>7981957
Noone knows that it is actually EN2. Even right now people are still commenting on the vid because they are only now figuring out that this is for gen2

>>7981630
lol quite the contrary, in pretty much every piece of media those disappointed and angry are usually the ones who talk and whine the most, while the ones who like don't spend nearly as much time giving it compliments

>>7981978
Anon you can't compare EN situation a year ago with now

>>7981944
>>7981921
interesting, thanks for the post

>>7982059
she's best in two-button rhythm games. Those with multiple buttons to keep track of give her a lot more struggle, and iirc project diva is the latter case

>>7981988
That should theoretically be a buff to numbers given that people love challenges

>>7981957
>EN silhouette
>Views should be higher
imo the actual reveal should be higher than silhouette. This is just a teaser for fans to predict and all about their design. Also to establish some kind of lore. Next week's should be the last lore trailer and the actual reveal + announcement for debut dates which coincides with the end of the month prediction that people here talked about

>>7982135
>you can't compare past performance with the present
this must be some misguided bait attempt

>>7982232
They dish out these stuff every 15 days so you might get a teaser by the end of the month and the actual debut by September 15 which would make sense since they would wait until EN1 is done celebrating their anniversaries.

>>7982536
This also means that August is going to be JP month and September is EN month as far as celebrations goes.

>>7982394
I think they meant multiple factors like the Dec 2020 viewership change and vtuber hype in the west being at it's maximum hype last Q4. Not saying EN hype is dead, but months of not much happening + a natural fading hype means we might not see the same numbers as last year.

>>7982641
Irys got better debut numbers in CCV and subs. I think they will be fine

>>7982641
The only way to find out is to wait. but if you are going to compare numbers then previous gen trailer is better than some random horror game VR

>>7982840
Of course anything with the Hololive label gets boosted in subs and debut. You debut literal trash under Hololive and EOPs will eat it up like it's the next coming of God.

Sorry in advance for the retarded question. On Playboard, when you look at the subscriber rank graph in Japan, there's this giant dip. On the world tab, it's a hill. Why? I notice this for a ton of chuubas I check out. Even for the ones who are declining/red, the JP graph shows a vertical decline then continues on, while the world graph shows a hill as usual.

>>7981582
Anon, look at the other tweets they made about the stream before you judge from a single tweet out of context. That one was followed with "I'll watch it on mobile" and ended with them complaining about the buffering https://twitter.com/neko_yama/status/1426875333035233282?s=20
They didn't like it mainly because of Youtube fucking up.

>>7982965
>EN is declining
>New girl gets more subs and CCV on debut
>It doesn't count
Throw better BS. Anya should be hitting 5k CCV atleast then. So is Reine. So Roboco, Aki, Sora, Luna, Matsuri, Choco and hech even Kiara should be hitting 5k CCV on the regular with your logic. But nope. People will watch what they like even if they are from Hololive. Hololive has a lot of popular streamers that hits 10K CCV regularly so you think their numbers are standard but nope. 1/4 are "struggling" as far as Holo standards

>>7979029
>>7979365
Is it possible that EN2 will stream on both twitch and youtube? I know that this is unlikely since this could come with the risk of exposing their old identity but most of the numbers is on there...

Gura is at 19.5k and rising 30mins in. She will also have a karaoke tomorrow. Her viewers are fickle and half would rather not tune in if she decides to play shitty old games or platformers. Half are normies I suppose.

>>7983498
dividing your fanbase in both platforms is stupid.
but they really should do watchalongs on twitch that feature is just too good to pass on.

>>7983568
Actions games are a debuf unless they are darksouls and that only attarcts people to see count how many times you die. Or if you are a god of action game and can combo the shit out of people. the quantity of Buff games is really limited, there is areason most fall back on minecraft and apex

>>7983294
Look retard, Debut and Early subs mean jack shit when only 2k out of the almost 600k subs actually watch the streamer
>b-but muh VOD views
Means nothing. How many fucking times do you retards need to be reminded that they are live streamers, VODs mean shit in this instance

>>7983498
If JP can do it, there is no reason for EN to not do it as well. They should probably do it for watchalongs because of Amazon Prime but the problem is the fact there is a high chance that people like Sykkuno/Connor might raid their streams and make things awkward

>>7983682
1 day followers mode mod tool and that should not be the problem

>>7983568
Gura is overall lower in average live viewers, but interest in Gen 2 should reignite Gen 1.

>>7983640
2k views? This is the same logic of tagging Selen as the 5k Apex streamer when she only hit it 1 time. lol

>>7983640
On YouTube, VOD and upload views actually matter a lot. It’s what the platform was built for. Live views matter too though. It all matters.

>>7983568
i think that since burgers are getting vaccinated the normal primetime is getting moved to later since people are going out hence why vods are relatively the same still since people are still watching the vod ratehr than live.
>>7983808
i think she hit it 2 times, but your point stands

>>7983640
Sora's CCV depends on what she is doing but I wouldn't say she's a 2k CCV standard

>>7983640
Someone did an analysis video where people who had Youtube premium and downloaded videos and rewatched them, counted as views, and massively boosted videos
Then there's the fact that a good amount of people watch the videos from start to finish so watch time is important as well

graduation

>>7983958
no idea but did she knows English?

>>7983640
>VOD views means nothing
how to identify a retard

>>7983568
Before I get accused of cope, I know VOD views are more complicated than this, but if you compare the VOD views of streams between Pekora and Gura, they're usually either similar or Gura pulls ahead over time unless Pekora gets some ridiculous CCV is like 50k for that stream. This doesn't "prove" that Gura's actual CCV would be similar to Pekora's if all her fans tuned into her stream live, but her overall numbers are comparable to the most successful HoloJP so they're not bad.

Pekora destroys Gura in CCV for most of these streams, but in the end, Gura catches one way or another.

I stand by my prediction that Gura’s viewers will increase as Gen 2 draws in more attention to Hololive.

>>7984074
We've already proven that Chumbuds artificially inflate Gura's vodviews, no need to cope around here

>>7984146
>We

>>7984146
where is your proof and who is we

>>7984074
What people seem confused about, is that YouTube is not only about live viewers, with VOD views (and Upload views) playing into success as well. In fact, it’s the main function of YouTube.

>>7984146
>Some JP having higher live viewers with lower VOD views isn’t proof of bots. No one bots live viewers.

>>7984074
gura catching up to pekora in vod views has two variables:
1 is actually people coming up late to watch the vod instead of live, for whatever reason, way more for gura than for pekora (lack timezones difference is a likely reason)
2. is pic related. Even for JPs, the more EOP fanbase they have, the higher the difference between their instantaneous total views vs the ccv. It is likely youtube's spamviewers filtering that made everyone get a sudden drop in december last year.

>>7984146
>we

>>7984313
Maybe someone is using view bots to buff Pekora’s live viewers, then the VOD views aren’t buffed as much because 10k viewers isn’t as impactful for that. Maybe the JP audience is that dedicated.

>>7984074
Nuxtaku got over 1M dollars for his channel in adsense alone for his 283M views overall for over 6 years. How much do you think Gura has gotten with 153M views for over 1 year

More live viewers than the VOD views should account for, means the live viewers are likely botted. Which is a common problem with live streams. At least that should be the first conclusion in mind.

Congratulations. You gave the bait poster 4 goddamn (you)s. You have directly contributed to the thread being shittier.
Back to numbers!
Polka live later Today in JP time.
I know some folks have said 30-40k, I'm gonna say she gets 50k, if only because I do believe there will be guests. I do admit this is hi-balling it a bit though.
ALSO, thank GOODNESS she's doing the smart thing and putting both her COVER and ORIGINAL SONG AFTER her live, thank gods.

>>7984452
does that 283M views already discount all his demonetized videos?

>>7984146

>>7984313
>>7984420
nah, there is some really fucking weird thing going on on japans vod queues so vod views on real time take fucking longer to validate than EN. They still get added hours after the stream start but EN and JP vod views are entirely different stories for some reason.
I think it might be that youtube live viewers are validated quicker on mobile but vod views take longer to validate from mobile. Which would explain why JP get higher CCV but their VOD gains during a stream are lower than EN.

>>7984517
But it's monday..

>>7984313
Might this have to do with the fact Pekoras has a long preamble at the start of every stream? Long intro followed by short talk, then she writes her poem , posts it on twitter , and only then does she get into the content of the stream.

>>7984517
Pretty sure Polka said in last night's countdown that there were no guests. Well, she said no gen 5 or holos, at least.

Today's superchats

>>7984517
EOP board, anon. Polka stream is tomorrow morning.
I say 30-40k because she gave no good teaser at all of what shes even doing exactly

>>7984528
Seems like it yeah. He had a long ass talk about how he couldn't really get his adsense money for years and stuff. This is also after YT has taken 40% of their own cut
https://youtu.be/mQcofQUPkDg

No wonder so many people are watching Gura right now. She is really fucking good at this game, lol. People tune in when you are good at something, imagine that.

>>7984588
Graduation buff...

>>7984560
Oh. AH shit. It is Monday isn't it.
Well, I put my numbers out, Ima gonna go prepare the rope.
>>7984452
Do we know how much adsense pays out for a streams vs long-form videos? I suspect the rates would be different due to the different video formats....

>>7984549
Why do you assume that there isn’t enough dedication to bot live viewers in Japan? If anything, it might be a bigger issue given their extreme competitiveness. It already is an issue in general for live streamers. Obviously the main ones botted would be the bigger streamers who also have very cult-like dedicated viewers. It’s possible.

>>7984549
also would add to this that the only other way for this to happen is that fucking jops arent even subscribing or using youtube a lot beside watching 1-2 vtuber videos so YouTube vod queues is taking longer to validate if they are legit views since they are coming from accounts that dont have much engage on youtube but seems like a stretch.
>>7984712
becasue as much shit i give to you tube spaghetti code their anti bot system is functional. They quelling dislikes campaign from bots is proof enough.

Gura is reclining.. its over bros...

>>7984588
Animare, VSPO, Noripro and IseV all being on here is great to see, obviously the circumstances of number 1 especially temper that quite a bit but it's still good to see a range of chuubas getting paid and not just the same few Holos and Nijis every day like in the view count charts

>>7984871
Jesus Christ, I thought Petra was the worst NijiEN, turns out Wosemi is. Fuck that rrat, I hope she stays in irrelevancy.

Also, Gura dropping to 16k is kinda sad to see. She used to average 18-20k monthly

>>7984871
Pomu...

>>7984871
Gotta admire Ina tight numbers, that consistency is proof of her success at capturing an audience

>>7984871
Same-chan.......
Well, I'm not surprised, after seeing her game choices I knew it'd be a rough month.

>>7984871
Vsinger streamed more than the actual vtubers. Honestly though, I wish she would cut back a bit in hours because she might hurt her throat. Her karaokes keeps getting better and better. I would rather that she streams 3 times week and 1 karaoke than have 5 game streams a week

>>7984946
im almost sure pomus growth is totally destroyed after the comback

>>7984871
>>7984939
There are less than 10 streams for Gura . Her karaoke tomorrow will be enough to boost her number by 1k - 2k.

>>7984871
Well basically Ina brought down Gura's average pretty badly. The "it's over" meme seems kinda played out by now, especially since Gura is still in the top 99% of VTubers for viewership.

>>7984790
>because YouTube can stop the bots
I don’t think the live viewer bot issue was ever solved for live streamers. They cannot easily stop them, while the AI is trying to figure it out without actually knowing. I imagine the bots did drop by the AI, but there would still be a bunch left if someone is actually botting them. The problem is I could see the East being competitive enough to bot.

>>7985042
If she ever does a collab with Kiara she could get a nice boost.

>>7985033
her consistent 12 pm JST paid off tbf. Those 8k-15k views are all 12 pm streams, shes going to be the next Ina

>>7984946
Even after taking that time off she's completely obliterating every other Niji EN in superchats and is bound to get a ton more when she comes back tomorrow

>>7984939
>She used to average 18-20k monthly
Here is Gura median for the past months

>2021-01: 21696
>2021-02: 17519
>2021-03: 15117
>2021-04: 13252
>2021-05: 19359
>2021-06: 17202
>2021-07: 16321

She seems to be stabilizing around 17k, from a floor of 13k in April.
WTF was she doing back then, playing only debuff games?

>>7985170
she left minecraft and did a lot of zatsus

>>7985033
>Vsinger streamed more than the actual vtubers
Didn't all EN took days off this summer for vacations or personal issues?

>>7985170
MH + Super metroid that month.
Yes, there were some other games but oof yea those games smacked her average hard.

>>7984871
and people said nijiEN now averaging 3-6k each when its only selen and maybe elira

Nijisanji=destroyed. They're nothing without koshien buff after all.

>>7985170
Here is Ina

>2020-09-01: 19148
>2020-10-01: 16815
>2020-11-01: 18380
>2020-12-01: 11341
>2021-01-01: 10643
>2021-02-01: 8549
>2021-03-01: 8227
>2021-04-01: 7461
>2021-05-01: 9919
>2021-06-01: 8964
>2021-07-01: 10407

>>7985201
>she left minecraft and did a lot of zatsus
April seems to have been a low point for all of EN. It was them all losing interest in Micra?

>>7985290
time to get comfy for 11 months of holo domination

>>7985022
We should wait till the end of August since for all we know, she could spam DBD and Minecraft again and drag her median back to 20k. Games like DMC3 and Grime will just tank it even more tho. Too bad Gura doesn't do double streams like Pekora to balance out her debuff games.

>>7985101
>. The "it's over" meme seems kinda played out by now, especially since Gura is still in the top 99% of VTubers for viewership.
That's before you factor in the size difference between the JP and EN live viewing audience. Last night during Koshien, there were over 350k people watching vtubers. EN's audience for vtubers isn't nearly as big in any single timeslot. Compared to other EN vtubers, Gura is a giant for even getting 20k on gaming streams semi-regularly.

>>7985385
Koshien got 205k max. Are you adding up all people that were streaming at the same time?

>>7985312
And here is Pekora

>2020-07-01: 18318
>2020-08-01: 19494
>2020-09-01: 20461
>2020-10-01: 24508
>2020-11-01: 37611
>2020-12-01: 26058
>2021-01-01: 26083
>2021-02-01: 21797
>2021-03-01: 22763
>2021-04-01: 21764
>2021-05-01: 22170
>2021-06-01: 25393
>2021-07-01: 22700

What a MONSTROUS month, November 2020 was for her with 1M, Pekomoona and Pekomom arcs

>>7985450
if usaken adding up all stream, niji baseball should too

>>7985325
Their next big season is Winter. NY stream, Niji Mario kart, NY mahjong, NJU, Gwelu event (3D or janken something)

>>7985493
>if usaken adding up all stream
Only a single retard did that, copying it makes you a retard as well

>>7985493
It's not even going to get 250k max even if you add all the nijis that were streaming at the same time

>>7985450
That would be between Hololive AND Niji from the looks of it.
>>7985493
That works out to ~255k from last thread. Which beats Usaken Fes and is a very good number.

>>7985462
And here is Marine, what a recent recline!

>2020-07-01: 18799
>2020-08-01: 20289
>2020-09-01: 19959
>2020-10-01: 20284
>2020-11-01: 20406
>2020-12-01: 14400
>2021-01-01: 19983
>2021-02-01: 16119
>2021-03-01: 16392
>2021-04-01: 15492
>2021-05-01: 17960
>2021-06-01: 19174
>2021-07-01: 27109

>>7985022
Gura is down a bit in general (not just by whatever game it is), along with the EN collabs, but Holo EN Gen 2 should reignite the whole thing. Then maybe some EN streamers will gain from it, and some will lose do to the increased competitiveness.

>>7985533
That is still far from 350k. That's just fraud levels of cope and padding

If Gura’s viewers do at some point increase from the interest in Holo EN Gen 2, don’t just make up an excuse that she is suddenly playing “better games” now.

EN+Gen5 Among us :
total 252671(9 streams)

>>7985578
Gura's numbers are her fault and no hype can fix that unless she decides to fix herself by consistently choosing games that won't hurt her numbers. It's been known that collabs doesn't actually inflate her numbers unless it's a JP holo like Usaken because guess what, people are tired seeing the same faces. Maybe EN2 will ignite that. We will see once she collabs with Irys.

>>7985270
Name 1 anon who said this

>>7985699
>consistently choosing games that won't hurt her numbers
In the past Gura played both good and bad games, but did better in both compared to now.
>collabs
They too were better in the past.

>>7985595
Marine was streaming to 60k, Aqua to 15k and Shion to 15k. 250k for Koshien + watchalongs and 90k for Hololive at the peak.

>>7985805
Again. They were better before because there is novelty in watching the girls interacting to new things for the first time. We already know how Myth will react to things once paired. It's a given. You can already predict it. That's why I like JP better because even if they have units that collabs all the time you still get fresh combinations like PekoraxLuna or Botan with SubaChocoLuna or MikoxSuisei. There is variety. You see something new even if it is the same game

>>7985450
Yes, adding Marine, Aqua, Shion and misc indies.

>>7976302
Yagoo don't look...

Gura just needs to pick up her rhythm games and DBD every week
These are the only types of games she only good at
Taiko and DIVA are good choices since we can't play Mush Dash

>>7976814
uruca is a png, not a vtuber

>>7985923
I’m the main one that was pointing out that Holo EN needs a bigger variety of streamers, so I’m not going to argue against that, but that isn’t the only factor for the loss of interest. I think people need more talented streamers in general, and if that comes from Gen 2, that would be good. My general take is that I suspect Gen 2 will reignite interest and ultimately the entertainment value.

I disagree with people who assume they will all lose/split viewers with Gen 2, with no one rising to the top.

>>7977440
Not sure about others but I'm betting one of the vtubers is going to be Roberu considering he's one of the vtubers genuinely interested in baseball who is close enough to both Maimoto and Tenkaiji to do a baseball watchalong with them
Not to mention there's the time a few days ago where he spent time with Maimoto as Haneru's, Tamaki's, and Mea's hostages

>>7986193
newsflash people, these Chuubas don't give a shit about their numbers bar Pekora. All this talk of "They should only play x game to have 20k average for the month" ultimately doesn't matter because no Vtuber is autistic about numbers like this thread

>>7983640
>Subs are correlated with CCV
Subs are just a metric for how many people are interested in your channel. If it's hard for a brainlet like you to understand then just think it's the same with likes, people watch your stream but don't have to like it.
>Means nothing. How many fucking times do you retards need to be reminded that they are live streamers, VODs mean shit in this instance
CCV just shows how many people want and can watch it live while VOD shows how many people want but can't

>>7986244
I'm betting that some of EN2 haven't even tried streaming until they got accepted much like Irys who suspiciously started streaming with an avatar right around the time that people are assuming she got in. They really don't have to be good streamers to begin with. What is more important is the "variety" If we get someone that is competent at playing games and that would try out different games as much as Botan does then that would be an improvement already. If chaos turns out to be gamer that loves to do challenges, that would be refreshing as well. I fucking need an autist gamer. I also want someone that can utilise the community as much as Haachama. These EN Myth girls are too busy with their real lives. They feel like Gen2. I hope we get a revival arc like what happened with HoloFantasy

>>7987452
> These EN Myth girls are too busy with their real lives. They feel like Gen2.
If anything, they are too busy like JP5 with their monthly idol stuffs.

>>7987431
If they're not dropping everything they are doing to watch their streams, then they are not interested in watching said stream. Simple as. Pekora can stream at any time and at any platform and Nousagis will drop everything and watch their oshi because they actually give a shit. Gura always streams at 9 AM JST but Chumsharts won't watch her because "game too boring"

>>7987799
>If they're not dropping everything they are doing to watch their streams, then they are not interested in watching said stream
So Chumbuds are casual global fans and Nousagis are just JP autists?
>Pekora can stream at any time and at any platform and Nousagis will drop everything and watch their oshi
Huh? Can you post some proof?

>>7987799
>Pekora can stream at any time
These are outside JP prime time numbers

>>7988520
IRyS streams a lot for a vsinger.

>>7988750
>using numbers from almost a month ago
Holy cope Chumshit. How long did you have to dig up for that one?

>>7988882
>3 weeks ago
>a month ago
Numbersagi...your numbers reps...

>>7988882
So his point about pekora streams outside of jp primetime with the debuff game can't get the numbers like this post >>7987799 said is right?

>>7988759
yeah, once en 2 debut she will like azki stream twice for a week ( karaoke and random )

>>7984588
Imagine monetizing your main channel along with memberships. Anykara, why?

Niji's summer program streaming to 35k rn

>>7989347
Is that good or bad number?

>>7987452
It's mostly because they're still a single gen and the biggest one at that. They need more members to divide tasks since if they don't stream during a day or take a rest, newer gens are able to take up their slot. HoloJP doesn't have this heat until after they blew up last year.

>>7988750
I don’t get it. Did JP forget to bot her?

>>7989492
It's starring Kenmochi, Amamiya, and Axia.

>>7987799
>Pekora can stream at any time and at any platform and Nousagis will drop everything and watch their oshi because they actually give a shit.
They care so much that they probably bot her live viewers. That’s dedication.

>>7988750
NTA but that game is like poison for ccv. when the other holos played it they couldn't even break 5k iirc, i guess only the diehard nousagi ate that

>>7989492
Normal range for their main channel. Things like quiz, sketch, segments etc usually gets high numbers for both companies. It's like Meme review w/ guests or 3+ man Collabs for Holos. Although, for Holos, their maruyama still sucks a lil bit. Idk why they're doing game segments.

>>7985493
Yes, from pure numbers for a single stream is Coco, Nijisanji and Gura. For numbers related to company wide events, 255k for Koshien, ~236k for Usaken and ~200k for Holo Mario Kart. The significance of it is that both companies could gather more than 200k for large events. Use that if a shitposter says that Hololive couldn't do large events and get large numbers unlike Nijisanji. Heck, as a holofag, ~200k for an event isn't the highest ceiling yet, everyone is waiting for EN to do a 3D debut then a concert with JP members.

>>7988520
>Gura channel is dead
>Still 4th in Hololive
You people are such fags sometimes, lol. Also, holy shit Miko is having a strong as fuck month.

Why no one talks about NijiEN collab?

>>7990170
>less than 3k on a wole gen collab
that is why
only interesting numbers from nijien are elira karaoke and seleen apex.

>>7990170
We are the numbers thread. We don't talk about pathetic numbers like that. Only THE BIG NUMBER!

>>7990408
>We

what was the peak for the gura project diva stream she just did?

>>7990601
21k

>>7990601
>>7990618

>>7990601
Anon, please use the tools so HELPFULLY LINKED AT THE START OF THE THREAD.
I swear, this spoonfeeding is just.....
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/TApuosFkpHU
22k was the peak, and she dropped when she went to chatting.
She kept a very solid 20k+ while she was playing.

>>7990760
dont care, didnt read

>>7989935
>adding together numbers from separate streams for holo events
You only count the highest stream for those events because the rest are watching on multiple tabs, holofag, no large holo events have ever passed 200k

>>7990162
>3.2M subs
>highest peak viewership (before Coco)
>mainly speaks English (the 3rd most used language in the world)
She might as well be dead anon. Imagine just being 4th place with all those buffs. Gura is literally 2view tier trash at this point

>>7989347
peaked at 39k. Probably will decrease on the next episodes since it'll be airing on weekdays for the next two weeks.

>>7989248
they turned it on when the stream was shitting itself up and it actually fixed it

So what does advertising really do for numbers?

>>7991161
>So what does advertising really do for numbers?
They're nothing compared to low-mid tier Holo so it's not doing much.

>>7991260
I'll take the bait so no one else needs to respond to this.

>>7984871
EN market really is a waste

>>7991161
Apparently nothing since their viewership has absolutely cratered. Another failed Gen for Nijisanji. That makes 2 failures in a row for JP and when you include the 2 EN failure gens Nijishitty is on quite the losing streak.

>>7991161
I mean, from a traditional advertising perspective, the goal of advertising is to build brand awareness and reach target audiences that may be interesed in your product.
In that sense clippers have been by far the biggest of advertisers for Hololive. Dropping ads in meatspace like this is probably....not as effective? Normies that might want to watch are probably more likely to be pulled in by their friends talking about it than these billboard type ads, but we will never know the effect these kinds of ads have as those are going to be all internal metrics.

>>7991431
Then I wonder why the effectiveness of sponsors means anything numbers wise. After all the sponsors the two favorite companies of the thread have, have any of those vtubers gained any marked increase of subs and live viewers? I see sponsored streams get lower than average views.

>>7991161
it bring new eyes
but it really depends on where you advertise dpeending on the content you want to sell.

>>7991395
really? i thought one of them got like 100k live view on their first few stream

>>7991670
Those ads are in Shibuya and Shinjuku, so a well populated train station.

>>7991588
Depends, most of the time sponsorships are going to be more about money than reach, though both companies probably stand to benefit if done well.
Curry Meshi was far more successful than either company probably expected, and so was the Red bull campaign, same deal considering they sold out on a month's supply of limited drinks in an instant.
I'm a filthy EOP so I don't know how well the Niji sponsorships have worked out but I'd assume that they've been successful.
Again, internal metrics, I really wish we could see those numbers, but they must be good if Cover is getting approached for more sponsorships. Same deal with Niji.

>>7991395
It's okay anon, you can cope with Lauren's superchat number

It's great and all for mel to start streaming again (Biohazard 7 today) rather than stream on her roommate's account, but she needs to get a 2D rework at least for her to incline. Only Haachama and Fubuki has the best l2d in their gen.

>>7990285
Even those numbers are mogged by Moona's karaokes.

8/1 - 8/15 Median (number of streams)
>Marine 50,345 (5)
>Kuzuha 38,130 (6)
>Pekora 29,064 (19)
so whos going to be no.1 this month

>>7993608
Can you repeat the question in two weeks?

>>7990285
Peaked at 3,030 viewers tho

>>7993608
No baseball anymore
Tokyo ghoul is diving

>>7994012
theres vtuber apex.

>>7994012
https://twitter.com/ShibuyaHAL/status/1427145566127984645

>>7979009
how close are we to getting the full bubble up anon?

>>7984452
Not that much. They only get little to nothing from stream videos

>>7994135
I can see 30k-40k for Kuzuha. He hasn't stream for a week now.

>>7987799
Enfans are just tourist said some anons here and i fully agree

gonna hurt polka's number

>>7990950
>mainly speaks English (the 3rd most used language in the world)
Oh no why EN vtubers' numbers as a whole getting mogged by JP vtubers so hard?

>>7994775
Enfans are tourist they just wanna see cute anime girls moments

JP fans are autism they can watch the whole streams

>>7990950
>mainly speaks English (the 3rd most used language in the world)
I can't believe XQC is still losing to Jun

>>7994768
>gonna hurt polka's number
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, by how much? 100 viewers?

>>7994768
The group of people that care about Matsuri Apex is pretty damn small, and it's probably even smaller given recent events.
Those are people that likely wouldn't be showing up to Polka's live anyways.
>>7994831
That's probably reasonable, also timezones fucking exist no matter how much it needs to be said. It really means people aren't going to tune in all at once in some cases.

>>7994768
50k 2k

gonna hurt kuzuha's numbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cAAjnj4aHE

>>7994126
Also another tourney where he will be in a team with Hal and Hikakin.

>>7994919

>>7994914
That's like saying Matsuri is going to hurt Polka's numbers.

>>7994126
His 3rd is Kaida Haru.

Pretty quiet night so far, here's how things look right now.

>>7994518
nah. mid 20k range, it's just customs.

Good numbers for Kanata and Flare, lower numbers for Miko with the end of the Minecraft Hardcore. Also
>Mel lading Calli
Choice of slot for Calli seems to have been atrocious, I know she's in JP but it is not even 6AM in the US East Coast.

>>7997709
It's a bad timeslot and the contest is so far removed from when the song was released that people have probably forgotten about it. Overall was never going to pull great numbers in this timeslot.

Also here is the current pyo

>PSSSST
HEY NIJIFANS!

>TRADE ALERT
Niji receives Rikka
Holo receives Hoshikawa and a slot in the upcoming baseball all starts thing

>DEAL?

>>7997816
Two bad timeslots, she's trailing Mel in the regular stream as well.
Mel is actually inclining, given that she finally decided to pick one boat to stand instead of keeping a foot in each boat.

>>7997820
We're only giving away Ollie, Kiara and Mori. Try again.

>>7994768
Nah, not by much. But cunt move by Matsuri either way, I wonder if she will do the same half hearted apology that Haachama did.

>>7997820
Alas, any deal that trades Hoshikawa but doesn't also swap Matsuri over is doomed to failure as the inevitable drama-fest to ensure means the trade is an auto NG.

>>7997916
>>7997997
OK, OK, here are the revised terms

>TRADE ALERT
Niji receives Rikka, Matsuri, Kiara and the choice of a one (1) high profile collab with either Marine, Miko or Haachama (female Nijis only).
Holo receives Hoshikawa, Selen, Ange and a slot in the upcoming baseball all starts thing

>WELL?

>>7998155
Here’s a better idea, you get jack shit and you can keep your holo talent.

What's "Rikka"?

>>7998155
Sounds reasonable. Also take Ollie for the prize of nothing. Yes, take her for free and we have a deal.

>>7997820
SEAnigs shitting up the thread aside has anyone noticed that the newest NijiID wave is doing very good by the branch's standards (considerably better than the last one). I wonder if it has to do anything with how all 3 of them are females and at least 2 of them use English a lot.

>>7976873
its some chink funded game her artist circle told her to shill. she has no choice when her chink artist demand things

>>7998320
Names and numbers?

>>7998320
That definitely plays a factor yeah, their design being much better than the previous gen also help. Also good: Hyona's voice is pure sex.

>>7976873
It's from Platinum games, the same Studio that made Viewtiful Joe, Bayonetta, was involved in Nier Automata, MGR:R etc.
This remaster came out recently, and since she was playing Bayonetta, I guess this caught her eye.

The game is one of those that's probably fun enough to play but pretty bad as a stream game, hence the debuff.

>>7994978
1 more male to join the top dog male clique yeah? If they keep collabing with him kanae, kuzuha, ibrahim, fuwa, ex albio, yashiro, hayato that can will incline.

>>7998332
Decided to check their numbers since debut and here's what I got (no idea why the third one streams so rarely)

>>7998781
lol he wasn't even first choice he was forced because they abandoned some Kuzuha clone because he complained about his outfit or something.

>>7998791
Keep in mind that most of big number streams for the middle one are collabs between all three of them.

>>7998796
Well this is a good opportunity for him. I wish him goodluck

>>7998791
>>7998812
That's really very good given the market. It clearly shows that there is a market for english speaking indonesian streamers.

>Gura is reclining hard!!!!!1

>>7998885
How can we save her chumbuds? HOW?!

On a less shitposty note, 12k in Polka's waiting room, let's see how this goes. I said 40-50k, but if she's got no quests topping 40k might be a bit much....

>That APEX Micra supremacy
Also holy fuck, if Flare isn't picking up every single departing stream audience into a 15k Minecraft hardcore 8 hours endurance stream.

What was Nene's and Botan's waiting room to compare?

>>7998918
oh shit almost forgot about that

>>7998946
Botan higher, Nene lower.

>>7998885
Yes.
Also, that stream had difficulty buff. Wait until she does her karaoke again.

Polka, your numbers....

TOP KEK, Matsuri will get flak for this.

Mel is likely excused because her stream started long ago but Matsuri, not even her audience is backing her here for sure.
Funniest part is that she'll get flak for something her genmate (Haachama) did and got off scot free for a single reason
>people already expect Haachama to do whatever she wants

Come on Susan, if there is someone's live you don't need to fuck up it's Polka. She'll have a hard time as it is.

>>7999091
>Matsuri will get flak for this.
Scrims that were planned long ago. What do you want her to do, just not stream her POV?

>>7999091
Incidentally she pinned this at her chat
>20時からポルカの配信~
and the link to Polka's thing

Damn shes not popular

>>7999091
Towa is also currently doing an Apex collab, but she at least have the decency to not stream it. She'll start her stream after Polka's live.

>>7999124
>just not stream her POV?
Kotone who is part of Matsuris team isn't streaming hers

>>7999124
It is not what I want her to do, she's in a pickle there.

In her place I would genuinely not stream and direct my base to one of the other teammate channels. Lots of collabs happen without a POV

>>7999124
Towa move her pov till one hour later why can't she?

>>7999086
FUCKING YOUTUBE, I had to refresh my browser.
>>7999091
If anything, Matsuri is probably doing this BECAUSE Haachama got away with it, because that's just the kind of menhera salty bitch that Matsuri can be at times.
Towa is doing the same scrims, but at least she has the mind and decency to start her stream an hour later.

>>7999163
Because then everyone would be forced to watch Wat, since Kotone isn't streaming either

Based on this I say under 40k, closer to 35k

>>7999199
That thumbnail... why Poruka...

>>7999173
>If anything, Matsuri is probably doing this BECAUSE Haachama got away with it,
I wouldn't doubt that, Matsuri still didn't realize "Ore ga Hololive da!" ceased to be a full year ago for her.

10 mins in and only 26k. The rest of her genmates already passed 35k view by that time. Anyway enter Kuzuha

>>7999146
One of the reasons why her live is going to suffer is that she hasn't been streaming very much as of late.
From what I could gather over in her split thread, it's due to mental health reasons, so...yea, the lack of recent streaming is gonna mean her mindshare is gonna be down and it's going to hurt today.
I'm wondering what Shion's numbers are going to look like tomorrow, but she has the advantage of having been around for much longer and having built up a fanbase over time.

Over 40k would be decent for her, She's not that popular and hasn't been streaming much.

>>7998927
Kaida gets more viewers than Kanae?

>>7999283
Nobuhime...

>>7999154
Kotone hasn't streamed her side at all.

>>7999283
Yea, she'll only reach higher if she has stacked guests.

>>7999241
>>7999283
What mental health thing? Lots of girls get that, mix of impostor syndrome and inferiority complex due to numberfagging (by themselves, not by the good lads in this thread)

They should all learn from Ayame, whenever she's feeling the heat she just takes a break and then returns renewed

>>7999231
At this point I'm starting to wonder if Matsuri is trying to stack up enough fuck ups so she'll be recommended to graduate. Almost like she's looking for a way out.

>>7999342
Already hit first stall just under 30k. YT won't let it grow until it passes the next "ceiling"

>>7999199
Yes, what we said in the previous thread.
>Least popular gen 5 now, coming after several times off
>On a bloody monday
>No guests announced
Will get over 30k but max 40k.

>Lain not even 2k now
Niji super rookie branch bros???

>>7999321
...was never that popular either, most of her livestreams have less VOD views after 18+ months than Polka has live viewers right now

>>7999345
from what i remember from her member posts last year she did do some numberfagging on herself but also she just always was a mental mess. its what got us those times where she promised to take part in a offline meeting only to back out last second

how do we save kuuchan

Kuzuha gonna mog Polka at this rate...

>>7999370
Mel…