/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>79359660
Holy shit, did she always sound like that? I mean I know it's been a few years since I've watched her, but I don't remember her sounding THAT fake

>>79359660
>My brain still can't comprehend the fact that there's even one person in the world who would spend even like 50 cents worth of their money to see me
I can't comprehend that either.

>>79360108
Probably barely holding it together at this point

>>79359660
What's the fucking point of baking /doom/ if faggot like you would eventually grab stuff and shitting the catalog with it?

>>79360340
Welcome to /vt/

>>79360108
She's clearly having a mental breakdown.

>>79359660
Cunt

Bitch had it coming.

I’m honestly not sure what I’m supposed to be mad about

>>79359660
why is she crying?
didn't she get her clique into the company?
didn't she redirect all merch and collabs towards her?
didn't she and her accessories get rid of selen? didn't they defame her as she was streaming?
isn't this what she wanted? who are her tears for, exactly?

>>79359660
Get fucked

>>79360938
Unless you're an Elirafag, there is nothing to be mad about.

>>79359660
Wtf is wrong with her voice

>>79361199
Went full Sumo mode and gained weight despite being in Japan for like 2 months

>>79360108
>>79361199
They found a voice double to play her on stream. The real Elira is entertaining shareholders right now.

>>79359660
>there's a lof of stuff that i can't say
THE MERGE...IS REAL

>>79359660
This doesn't sound like her at all, what the actual fuck?

>>79361199
Having a throat full of cum will make anyone sound weird.

>>79359660
rent free faggoon, go eat your daily tomatoes and stop bullying a defenseless woman.

>>79361021
She got all that she wanted, and now she's getting what she deserves

>>79361497
The real Elira was killed by the Yakuza after the black screen stream tanked EN's reputation even harder this is a paid actor

>>79361649
Yeah, mine.

>>79359660
WAIT WHAT HAPPENED D:
did you received a confirmation/OK sign to manesan before having a mental breakdown

>>79361671
Ironic

>>79361649
Riku is so lucky.

>>79361422
Hot.

>>79361730
Kek

>>79361671
>Defenseless
She's got a whole branch full of cronies, and the supposed backing and protection of Anycolor, for what extremely little we know that's worth.

>>79361685
/thread

>>79361685
Perfectly said.

>>79361730
Kek

>>79360108
Shes dropping the vtuber voice because she knows her vtubing career is over. she knows she fucked up with that PR disaster and fucking over Selen behind the scenes.

Sounds like shes ready to jump ship from the Niji boat.

I have absolutely 0 context about Niji drama, and I can't say I care, but this clip makes me feel bad for her

>>79362177
It shouldn't, she's a bad person.

>>79362177
She enabled the abuse on Selen, she did all this and all the other pick-me Niji girls

reap what you sow

the hens are gossiping again

>>79362060
>Sounds like shes ready to jump ship from the Niji boat.
Genuinely impossible for her. Her career will die with NijiEN. The sisters won't follow her out, because they need a faceless entity like Nijisanji to rally behind. So with how low her viewership is these days, and her negative reputation, she's honestly done. Her only move is to ride out the dying Niji wave for as long as she can.

>>79362220
Perhaps. But she also got used as a scapegoat to launder all of management's fuckups. Not to excuse her, she didn't literally have a gun to her head and didn't have to do it, but she gets blame that rightly belongs to other people.

>>79360108
On a scale of 1-10, how much did she regret doing the blacked stream now. Wish any of them had a spine and said fuck it and quit back then.

>>79362276
>enabled
She has no say or power over how Niji is run, that's like getting mad at a McD wage slave because someone from district is personally harassing employee of the month.

>>79362177
at first it was deserved, but the dookietachis already got their's back and have gone way past the point of abuse. I wouldn't be surprised if Anycolor starts filing lawsuits against the online trolls judging by their recent joint statements with Cover denouncing harassment.

>>79362504
they simply can't do shit with oversea troll.

>>79362504
Those damn trolls leaving her alone and not watching her streams..!

>>79362504
>I wouldn't be surprised if Anycolor starts filing lawsuits
I would. That's the most retarded move Niji could make to further nuke their financials and rep

>>79362393
Yeah that's bullshit anon. She and the clique are good friends with management. She did this on her own volition and orchestrated pushing people who wanted more than the clique status quo out by any means possible. She can fuck off and die.

she just need to do 1 collab with doki and she's clear

>>79362393
>used as a scapegoat
there's nothing saying she was at the moment. It is equally likely that she decided to do that on her own.

>>79362504
Unless said trolls are in Japan these imaginary lawsuits will do jack and shit.

>>79362659
>still stuck on old rrats
Try to keep up gramps

>>79362504
It's still deserved. Anyone that purposely creates an atmosphere to drive peers to hero attempts deserves worse than her little pity party she's having right now.

>>79362504
except cover has an official document and guidelines for what qualifies someone to be targeted by their legal team. Anycolor can't fucking figure out how who should or who should not look at certain legal documents. They ain't making any of sort of case against anyone.

>>79359660
KWAB

>>79362797
Exactly how big of a sphere of influence are we talking?

>>79362788
show tits sister.

>>79359660
Sometimes I wish none of this shit happened...

>>79361730
Millie will never love that tweet down

>pomu and nina leave
>selen kicked out
>no real powerhouse to be the face of NijiEN females (males have several due to fujos)
>selen drama escalates negligibly
>the black screen stream
>image forever tainted by it
>revenue, views and attention falling by the day
>concert cancelled due to goku and vegeta fighting there (w-w-we'll post it for free online)
>most people that escaprd that hellhole are actually thriving, even sayu is making 1k+ ccv average
>risk of merging is a possibility since riku already pulled that on ID
So, just like Hana killed ID, Elira killed EN. One due to not doing anything at all when she had the chance, while the other one did every possible thing wrong.
You know what could've helped to avoid that? Management. Guess what Anycolor cut corners in.

>>79362884
>her entire pl crew are now a part of Niji EN
I don't know anon you tell me.

>>79362504
> LEAVE ANYCOLOR ALONE ANTIS >:(

>>79362502
Unless they put a gun to her head and forced her to read off a script, the black screen stream demonstrated her position. This is like seeing your manager harassing an employee and then joining the manager in publicly smearing the employee after she gets fired. And all that's assuming she had zero participation in the harassment to start with.

>>79361021
>Cause she's a defeated queenbee
>Yes
>Yes
>Yes
>Because she got caught and if she gets fired she knows she'll have to ask US if we want our frapuccinos with whipped cream.

>>79362945
>>no real powerhouse to be the face of NijiEN females
Elira could've been that face but they had the brilliant idea of doing the black video instead

>>79362385
I disagree, a lot of her fans have followed her for the a long time, it's not just Niji loyalists. Also there are people on the sidelines who want a happy ending in general or want her to not be an awful human being.
If she finds the balls to quit and issue an apology, she can have a comfy streaming career as an indie for a long time.

>>79362482
100% 10/10. I think all of them regret any role they had in the failed smear campaign. I imagine there's even regret for the Zaion smear campaign, now, since even though it worked at the time, now it's just another thing to hold against everyone involved.
That said, I think all they regret is misreading the situation. They got away with it once and went on like nothing happened. If they got away with it this time, they wouldn't have lost any sleep.

>>79362659
>>79362701
Reminder that management have used this PR strategy before with Zaion, and she was totally uninvolved in that. It's coming from management, Elira was only the messenger. They use the livers as battering ram to attack terminated talents and, when there's backlash, as a meatshield.
Again, I don't even say this to exonerate her. She deserves her share of the blame. Just not other, equally culpable people's as well.

>>79362504
>filing lawsuits against the online trolls
I will never be Japanese and that's a good thing.

>>79359660
Her viewers: WHACK
Her donos: WHACK
Her morals: WHACK
Her career: WHACK
The way she talks: WHACK
The way she pretends nothing happened: WHACK

>>79359660
man that's sad, I don't think I've ever heard someone hold back tears this hard

>>79362945
Anon we know it wasn't Elira doing it, it was the new branch manager who had 3 other jobs and treated NijiEN as a side gig who also hired a fresh college graduat niggeress to manage stuff that made the decisions that /vt/ blamed Elira for
>but muh black screen
We already know via a vod on Sayu/Selen inicidents that that's a management tactic to hide behind the talents

>>79363304
>Completely ignores all sponsorships elira got even after being less popular
Sure nigger

>>79362177
We don't know what went on behind the scenes and I don't believe every retarded narrative, but the fact is that even the notorious fence sitter Pomu publicly chose Selen's side despite being Elira's friend for years since before Nijisanji.

>>79363399
>no rebuttal to points made in post
Concession accepted

the biggest regret she has is dragging Millie and Enna into this God forsaken branch. It all started falling apart after that.

>>79363100
Even back in the glory days of NijiEN Elira didn't want to be the main girl, at least if we go by her words. All the merch opportunities she received may contradict that. But even assuming she wanted to be the face of NijiEN, she had nowhere near the levels of charisma Pomu, Selen or Nina had.

>>79362945
>concert cancelled due to goku and vegeta fighting there
rumao

>>79362504
Not giving a shit and forgetting her existence is considered harassment now? May god have mercy on my soul because i couldn't give two shits about this traitorous bitch, see you all in jail fagoons :/

>>79363459
Yeah and that's why Kiara was cool with hanging out with Elira and Pomu

>>79363304
>it was the new branch manager who had 3 other jobs and treated NijiEN as a side gig
Cutting corners, got someone cheap instead of actual management to tard wrangle girls on their mid 20s exposed to this industry. Read the rest of the post.
It's a fucking domino effect, Anycolor gets good management and we could be talking about ID and EN doing great. Maybe even ID giving their holo's counterpart a run for its money since their lineup was interesting.

>>79362504
Laughing and shitting on sisters is not the same as harassing the talents, you axe wound faggot.

>>79363243
FUCKING KEK

>>79363159
I don't see how it makes much of a difference. If you let Elira off the hook, then the anger loses its focus because it's difficult to channel your rage at faceless, nameless managers. That's exactly why they use this tactic.

>>79363676
I don't even watch Niji but when /here/ dug up info on him and his hirling it just reminded me of the Omega troon disaster in Holo except worse

>>79363459
>notorious fence sitter Pomu publicly chose Selen's side
On one side Nijisanji will never allow her to collaborate with Nijis ever again.
On the other side there was Doki with her growing network of indies.
Pomu going to Doki was inevitable, because sticking with Anycolor would have yielded zero benefits and probably harmed her in the long term. I'm not saying that she's not good friends with Doki or that she's some calculating mastermind, but even on the practical side of things staying loyal to AC was a losing game.
Somehow Nijisanji's shitiness was that self-defeating.

>>79363243
>ME?
>I'M TIGHT AS /FUCK/

>>79363488
Maybe substantiate your claims instead of expecting people to accept them at face value.

>>79363874
I think the reason they use this tactic is because they expect people to side with the livers they know and love against the black sheep they frame as betraying and hurting everyone. I don't disagree that it becomes harder to focus your anger without a convenient target but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

>>79363459
That doesn't mean she was against Elira, just the company. Which we already know. The black screen video was inappropriate but its not like Elira fucking spearheaded and forced everyone else to support it. She gets way more shit than she deserves for it.
Anycolor wanted a scapegoat and all the fucking retards just took the bait instantly I guess.

>>79364255
>spoondfeed me the past 8 months
Fuck off

LEAVE ELIRA ALONE

>>79360938
Classic tourist self snitching about being a tourist.

>>79364460
>fucking retards just took the bait
Looking at catalog on a normal day this doesn't surprise me

>>79364460
Ah yes, genius tactic by Anycolor. They got everyone to focus their hate on Elira in order to save... Nothing because the rest of the branch is still fucking dying.

I might be biased but I want Elira to come out and clarify what happened. She shouldn't have accepted to do the video, I'm coping hard rn.

>>79361730
The replies on the tweet that will eventually announce her graduation/termination is going to be nothing but this image

>>79364715
The truth would only bury her deeper

>>79359660
dont worry elira as evidenced by the ticket sales NOBODY is willing to pay money to watch you sing. Il pay money to see you drown in piss tho

>>79363506
You don't know the pain of being an introvert having to hang around and compete with extroverts.

>>79364460
>nd all the fucking retards just took the bait instantly I guess.
Oh wow such great bait killing their growth
very smart of them and dumb /vt/ posters
fucking retard

>>79364787
Perhaps. I just wanna know how everything played out exactly.

>>79359660
she sounds so broken lol

>>79359660
meh
by what people in the thread are saying I expected a sobbing mess
she needs to suffer more

>>79364852
I never said that. Learn to read dipshit. Company is ran by mongoloids so of course their fucking plans were dumb as fuck and backfired.

>>79361021
women like her generally have zero accountability

>>79364834
Who are the introverts and extroverts in this scenario? From my read the only extrovert would be Nina.

>>79365168
Elira = Introvert
Selen = Extrovert
All Elira could do was leech off of what Selen was pushing for then refuse to say anything to her about it.

>>79363159
Why make Elira the messenger when they already had a pretty clean PR communication planned just a few hours later? With Riku's apology already recorded, there was zero reason to make the black screen happen.

>>79364948
She has to smile while on a sinking yacht. This is worse than getting terminated, and I hope she stays with Niji for a long time.

Can we break her even more? My dick is rock hard.

>>79365367
I could be wrong but I don't see Selen as an extrovert at all. Ambitious, confident? Sure, but she was not exactly jumping down people's throats for collabs and so on, nor did she get along well with most people at NijiEN. She was off in her own corner planning projects.

>>79365446
Rrat time? The original message from Riku was different and was supposed to come 30-60 minutes after, but the immediate pushback made them rework it and that's why there was a several hours delay.

>>79365465
What can hanamori even do in JP?

>>79361730
By far one of the best things to ever come out of nijisanji

>>79365446
My guess is EN management and JP management do not communicate well. It wouldn't surprise me if they just let EN do whatever because interns don't want to deal with pretending to know English. Also I think some livers had an axe to grind and the whole firing made them look bad so they were looking forward to dragging her through the mud, only thing is it backfired spectacularly and only now do they regret it.

>>79365446
they probably thought it would appear more organic to have a message "from the talents", in addition to riku's thing.

>>79365846
Honestly it's more likely that it was just the left hand not knowing what the right one was doing. That shouldn't be likely, as it's just pure incompetence and an extreme lack of communication, but their previous track record proves this is well within the realm of possibility for them.

>>79365168
>Be the only extrovert in the branch
>Be ignored by everyone
Lmao, glad she got out

>>79366083
I can't help but wonder what was going on in the minds of those specific livers in that half an hour, from the lead up to posting the thread to posting it to the immediate backlash

>>79366255
I'm interested in the accomplices. You know the ones, who not only retweeted the screen but endorsed it.

>>79359660
her voice sounds sort of like Elmo now..

>>79366255
Probably were prepped and given context by management that Selen did everything wrong and implied their careers would do better if they make the vod

>>79362945
If you need a manager to make you not treat other people like shit then you're a bad hire.

>>79366189
that's just how AC does things, yeah
xsoleil also went to talk shit about Zaion when she was terminated
Fulgur also went to talk about Yugo after he left (but because she was smart and called lawyers, they didn't smear her)

>>79363143
Not Enna. She doesn't regret bullying Selen, she does regret watching her numbers tumble, but won't attribute the cause to it.

>>79359660
Really sounds like she is cracking, NijiEN is sinking

>>79359660
>"Maybe closer to the concert date I will plan a proper thing to say"
She is waiting for the concert date to kill herself, mark my words

>>79366255
What I would give to be a fly in that discord between the time they were telling people to retweet Elira and the 24 hours after the black stream. I can only imagine the shock and awe of all the talents watching with gaping jaws how fast their community burned down, public sentiment turning against them and their careers ground to dust. The only way I can imagine it being worst is if they didn't tell the talents what was in the black stream and just told to retweet it.

>>79366603
Not surprising really

The black stream made her radioactive. Regardless of just how much involvement she had in it her career is kinda fucked.

I'm not even convinced people would buy a graduation and apology.

>>79367176
Regardless of how much they knew, I wonder how the other talents reacted to Elira, Vox, and the other guy (as well as Enna and Millie if they noticed people noticing they were named) after it became clear the video ruined everything

the only thing i know for a fact is that you faggots without a doubt always seem to sensationalize the most mundane shit into these elaborate drama escapades
watch streams and stop gossiping like girls

>>79367176
>>79367463
What if this was actually agreed upon by the other livers and they're all complicit?

>>79367463
Publicly in the discord? Probably no one directly but I can see some freaking out about public sentiment. Privately to a manager or amongst themselves? Absolutely. They ate them alive. She stopped streaming for 2 months exactly so it makes me think she got stealth suspended for a while.

>>79367709
>watch Nijisanji
No.

>>79359660
She really does sound broken, sheesh

>>79362504
>have gone way past the point of abus
No one is abusing her from the fanbase, the worst that's happened is people have stopped watching her stop being a stupid bitch

>>79367709
I ain't watching 8 hours of JRPGshit

>>79362945
>concert cancelled due to goku and vegeta fighting there
Wrong, it's because Lelouch threatened to attack sisters, get your facts right

>>79359660
jesus

>>79359660
why is she so happy about it?

>>79364255
Concession accepted :)

>>79364466
Concession accepted :)

>>79367857
>watching an ex-Niji
You'll be perfectly at home, dragoon.

>>79368116
>has to entertain despite everything
>overcompensates to try and seem normal
I wonder why.

>>79361685

>>79368284
Watching one gives money to a shit company whilst the other doesn't.

>>79368284
Just like you would feel perfectly at home watching KSon, right, Holobrony?

>>79362504
you see, this just makes people laugh at you. Neither Elira nor her antis live in Japan. Anycolor has precisely 0 power to do anything.
That's right, they are powerless, and if they try to act strong they are just going to further harassment against her so the antis can prove it.
Don't act big when you can't back it up.

>>79359660

>>79368044
Vegeta absolutely had something to do with those tweets. His obsesion with Selen costed him his house, his wife and his gay lover. There is no way he would not take revenge against anycolor

>>79359660
>Elira was just as awful as everyone believes her to be by now, an actual highschool drama villain that remained under everyone's nose for years
>Elira is just another victim of the company who can't leave and was chosen as a convenient scapegoat, forced to keep going while her reputation and mental health only keep tanking
Which timeline is actually worse?

>>79368497
Dooki is her own shit company

>>79359660
As someone who used to watch her before the drama and is listening to her now, she sounds so... fuck I don't even know what to say. It sounds like she has a gun pointed to her head, with a dumpster fire is raging out of control, she knows why it's happening, management knows why it's happening, the public knows why it's happening, but the truth just isn't allowed to be spoken here and we all know why.

>>79368116
She's trying to ease her discomfort

>>79359660
She sounds like she's enjoying it.

>>79368777
It's not even fun getting in shitflinging matches if this is what you're bringing to the table.

>>79361828
Can someone write a quick fanfic of this?

>>79367857
That model is so good, my heart can't take it

>>79361828

Man, I really hope she doesn't end herself. I'm really curious about what her version of the story is gonna be like.

>>79359660
skinwalking or her throat is fucked up after gargling too many dicks

>>79368768
Why do expect me to feel any sympathy for someone who made an ex-coworker recovering from a suicide attempt just weeks prior spiral into a panic attack live on stream under the irresistible supposed coercion of *checks notes* job security (she's comes from old money, btw).

>>79369696
The only way to save herself is just to admit everything. She'll still get people who'll hate her, but not as much if she was just fucking honest for once in her life.

I still believe elira is innocent. I believe she’ll reach her breaking point soon and reveal all the shit she was forced to do by niji like the black screen video even if niji will sue her for breaking nda and proving how awful the company really is.

>>79369934
I'm amazed no one hasn't come out about anything yet. The NDA must be scary.

ok someone post the link to her getting fucked by BCC (black corpo cock)

Why are Famelira the biggest saviourfags of all the Cliquesimps? Did they fleeced by her Nice Girl act that resolutely?

>>79362060
>Sounds like shes ready to jump ship from the Niji boat
her career, at least as a talent, ends with niji, nobody will take her on and her remaining fans are the niji diehards that will not follow her to a new place and even if a corp is to believe she was forced into doing the black screen stream she's way too toxic to join them

>>79370028
I got you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4

>>79359660
>>79359660
can i post it

>>79359660
She can't even keep the voice up anymore, her normal voice is almost Enna tier holy fuck

>>79359660
Doesn't even sound like the same person.

>>79369584
Fuck, that pic was hot.

>>79362504
>filing lawsuits against the online trolls

>>79370242
She is slipping

>>79368768
the second option doesn't even save her from accountability because she obviously went all in with shitting on selen with Vox, Ike was the only one that didn't seem at ease but even he is just a spinal coward

I seriously wonder what would have happened had Elira not deleted her Nova Twitter account
Would she have tried to use it to clear her name, or just to further slander Doki

>>79359660
But seriously tho, L + Ratio + ur cringe @ parasocial fucks.

>>79370590
Her Hanamori friends could always do it for her but they aren't.

>>79369919
>>79369934
And if she does this, what will happen to all of her friends she nepo'd into the company? Unless if she wants to leave some of the last people who still support her, her hands are tied.

>>79363159
no the fact that she pushed as hard as she did during that stream is proof enough that she was complicit, Vox also was obviously extremely pleased with himself in the room with them recording the thing

>>79370720
Suppose she cultivated a circle of snakes, and none of them want to take a hit or face negative exposure to help her. Reaping what she sowed.

>>79362482
Probably 0, it's never their fault

>>79370720
She could always just fucking ask

>>79370797
>'''''friends'''''
She'll make better friends at Mcdonalds once this is all over.

>>79359660
I do not feel an ounce of sympathy towards her. She could have salvaged her reputation by standing up for what was right and refusing to do the black screen stream. But instead, she burned every possible bridge and still has that stream public TO THIS DAY!

I simply hope she suffers more, way more than Doki ever did.

The termination notice and days leading up to the black stream, not many people blamed any livers and were still sceptical about the whole situation. Only after the black stream, Riku apology, livers picking fights with twitter randoms due to stress and having never recieved any PR training prior did people pile on the whole branch.
All they had to do was shut up and ignore the issue. They only did that after fucking up so many times in a short time, where a lot of people took very long breaks that some are still not streaming regularly because fans lost their patience, faith and any good will towards the company.
It's amazing how they made every single bad choice in the grand scheme of things.

I despise her for what happened with Doki but at the same time, I can fix her.

>>79359660
Oh yeah this branch is dead
Also who the fuck is talking? That is not Elira

>>79370590
>>79370720
It's funny how after the blackstream, no one dared to even insinuate a thing about Doki. They actually did shut the fuck up and never spoke about it again, which is impressive for those people who couldn't stop yabbing for anything. I was expecting at least one of them to try and reignite the fire for round 2 but management must of come down hard on them. Only person who even said something was 39Daph, friend of Kyo, and she took it back as soon as she took heat from the internet.

>>79363962
There's also the fact that Anycolor, or maybe even Elira depending if you believe the rrats, blocked the Metal Gear collab for Pomu creating the cursed timeline where we got stuck with a terrible mori song rather than one Pomu sang.
If that happened to me, I would be done with whatever company I worked for.

>>79371802
>with a terrible mori song
Isn't the writer for lyrics on one a different person too?

>>79371802
Robbing Pomu of that MGS collab was a MASSIVE fuckup. It really cannot be understated. And that girl actually loves that particular IP, it felt wrong on multiple levels.

>>79372257
They wrote them with Mori in mind, and I'm sure if Mori actually cared about the project, like Pomu clearly would, she would have given input to make it not as shitty.

>>79372329
I don't know which is more insulting, that they didn't even try to get it for her or that it ended up going to Mori who gives zero fucks about it.

>>79369127
Should be enough for you.

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>>79370008
Mint was on the verge of saying something once but she refrained because she didn't want to get into a bad headspace and let her old company keep her spirits down.

>>79371688
I know it’s NijiEn we are talking about here, but I doubt anyone was stupid enough to have a round 2. After the public backlash and big normie YouTubers pumping out videos shitting on Niji, you have to be that brain dead and petty to try and start shit up again. Everyone was watching them like a hawk and any major slip up would immediately result in a “The Nijisanji situation is getting worse…” video on the normie’s channels with your face on the thumbnails.
I wouldn’t put it past them to whine on their secret discord or the doxxsite when it was still up about how dookibird ruined their lives because they didn’t bully her hard enough to shut her up for good, tho.

>>79372610
>no fat ojisans
you failed

>>79368990
Yeah no she sounds completely broken. I almost pity her.
Almost.

>>79359660
is this a body double?

>>79359660
did they change her VA?

>>79363159
>Reminder that management have used this PR strategy before with Zaion
Reminder that Zaion didn't come out nowhere and volunteered to do a black screen video where she claimed everything was 100% her own words and no one was making her say it.

>>79372676
>>79370008
Revenge is a sucker's game and dwelling only on the past will consume you.
All you need to do is compare how Doki and Mint handled things to Sayu to realize just moving on is the much better option.

>>79371688
>she took it back as soon as she took heat from the internet
I completely missed that happening. Does she still have a career?

>>79372610
>https://files.catbox.moe/9rcsvo.png
Cute bois

>>79372967
Yeah because...she was in Doki's role, not Elira's.

>>79373135
>>79372610
>AI shit

>>79359660
Three concerts. She can't imagine people spent money on them?

>>79372610
So this is what she has been doing behind the scene, moonlighting as a cumdumpster for Riku's corporate goons. He does need to reward them with something for not giving them a raise after the buyback fiasco.

What can she do to make it up to Doki? I think it's possible to pull off if she's sincere about it and if Niji wants to salvage whatever's left of their reputation (in the West at least, as we all know that the Japanese don't give a shit about Doki and actually blame her for being a victim).

>>79372968
Nigger Sayu was alone and had close to zero public support. People were on Niji's side because nobody dared to defend someone who did a *gasp!* rape joke. Sure, moving on is the better option but I fully sympathize with her not having been able to until recently.

>>79371802
>There's also the fact that Anycolor, or maybe even Elira depending if you believe the rrats, blocked the Metal Gear collab for Pomu
it was probably done as a power play to get Pomu back in line. a threat to say that even her biggest dreams can be shut down if you don't play nice with management.

>I can't imagine people spending money on me
They didn't.

>>79364460
>That doesn't mean she was against Elira, just the company.
Her first indie collab with Doki happened long after the entire internet started shitting on Elira and blaming her for everything. All Mint had to do in order not to make the situation worse for her was continue sitting on the fence which she did for weeks before that.

>>79362060
This is her dropping her vtuber voice? She sounds like a toon

>>79372968
Very true, moving on and finding a new position to thrive in is the best path. But I do not hold it against people to take opportunities for payback, it tends to land better when served cold too.

>>79373104
She does. She only did it for a moment and then never spoke about it again.

>>79373281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQXHdItgb7I

>>79359660
Delicious Elira tears.

>>79373135
No, these are cute bois.
https://files.catbox.moe/g2kr0h.png

>>79373460
She clearly does not have the energy to play pretend anymore, mindbroken from the absolute failure this year has been to her career as a vtuber. How does one even dig themselves out of a crater this deep?

>>79373104
She memory holed the thing itself. Probably because it looked retarded in every way to start a longpost with "I know jack shit about it but I'm gonna give my opinion".
Seriously, woman streamers do require39IQ to exist.

>>79372968
Of course you people always say this once caught.
Fuck off, too many bad people get away with bullshit like this. No one will be there to help catch you when you fall.

>>79360340
You faggots complaining about catalog out of all places are so annoying, kill yourself, genuinely. Just don't click nigga.

>>79373135
No, these are cute bois.
https://files.catbox.moe/d87jdn.png

Didn't bother to read any of the replies but man Elira's so cute. I'm glad she's still doing what she loves!

>>79373308
Also a wierdly baldfaced lie when she's been accused of having disproportionately higher merch opportunities compared to the more popular girls in the branch.

>>79373281
Elira could reach out to Mint and Matara as mediators. Nijisanji won't do shit though.

>>79373281
>What can she do to make it up to Doki?
Either Doki is as a person is merciful, forgiving and doesn't want others to be harmed or she's building a very carefully curated character of someone who's merciful, forgiving and doesn't want others to be harmed. The fact that THAT video was what made her speak up again about the issue says volumes.
In both cases I think it'd be relatively easy for her to...
>if Niji
FUBAR if it involves her waiting for permissions from Niji.

>>79359660
What happened to her voice? Did they actually change the person behind elira?

The only way Elira can redeem herself is if she graduates and joins Vshojo or goes indie. I hate her guts but I pity her. I know when enough is enough. You can tell she doesn't want to be there anymore. You can actually hear her heart breaking any time she speaks. She doesn't even do her voice anymore. If she has any common sense left she'll abandon ship.

>>79373427
Both Doki and Mint made it clear that the only reason they hadn't reconnected sooner was they were both too scared of making the other uncomfortable.

>>79373756
careful anon, too much copium will distort your ability to distinguish between reality and lies

>>79373494
Very different situations. Doki had all the support in the world from the get go, whereas Sayu was ostracized and isolated for a whole year. It's a miracle that Sayu somehow managed to hold on long enough to benefit from the Doki situation

>>79373292
Retard Alert!
Sayu could have easily have tried to have move on, instead she opted to get revenge by allying with dramatubers, making it her entire identity and leaking a conversation she had with Matara to gain sympathy with pissed off potential allies, because who's going to trust a leaker?
She should be thanking whatever magical being that exists that she's now on talking terms with them again and should follow their example.

>>79373494
Doki got the best revenge by doing absolutely nothing, which caused NijiEN to self destruct. Just being happy and successful is the best way to spite Nijisanji.

>>79373668
>Pointing out that those who moved on are much happier and better off means you're a sister.
Pic related 4U.

some fatass fps player, who streamed more with twitch indies and played with her bf offline than interacted with her genmates, cried and says she got bullied because talents in her company ignored her.. and trialists and dramafags jump to her side it's so funny

>>79373756
Thread has been relatively sympathetic to her.

>>79359660
Anon, are you seriously watching Elira despite hating her just so you can post random clips to shittalk her?

>>79373863
I love these two introverted goofs

How would you react if she one day she just dropped all pretenses, spoke with her real voice, and just said "Yeah, I got everything I wanted. Yeah, I never cared about anyone here or that my goons made her try to commit suicide. Everything I've wanted I achieved and nothing will change that. I will keep doing as I like. My only regret is not finishing the job." and then ended stream followed by an official Nijisanji statement announcing her immediate cease of all activities?

>>79373297
>it was probably done as a power play to get Pomu back in line.
She fell out of line?

>>79365367
yeah bro, an extrovert slices her wrists or whatever because of bullying by coworkers, dyrbi?

>>79374093
I would be sad that someone I used to watch and admire turned out to be such an incredibly horrible person.

>>79362177
Don't. Even if all the rrats are wrong, she deserves to have her career implode over the black stream.

>>79374093
I would kneel.

>>79374093
The sheer honest evil would actually make me kneel.

>>79373959
Mega Retard Alert!
>Sayu could have easily have tried to have move on
No, the stain from Niji stuck on, leaving her with nobody willing to help her. Dramatubers were the only ones willing to give her the time of day so obviously she bit. I guarantee you if Sayu did nothing and tried to "move on" she would have quit vtubing by now

>>79374093
That would just prove her most rabid critics right, and be a major L
le edgelord burn-it-all-down is for kids

>>79373901
Cope about what? I just watched her play persona for 8 hours and enjoyed every second.

>>79373997
I'm happy and kinda surprised. I genuinely don't believe she would maliciously harass anyone and until I see any DMs proving otherwise I think the hate she got was unwarranted.

>>79374093
Probably wake up and take my meds.

>>79374093
Nothing would change for me. I never had a good feeling about her, which is why I gravitated towards Selen. I tried to get into Elira, her ASMRs, her dumb little VNs, but I figured she just wasn't someone I could enjoy. It's hard to say in hindsight why I never got into her without letting the present color the past, but I'm very glad my gut feeling saved me.

>>79373281
Genuinely only some virgin sacrifice shit

>>79374093
The amount of 'fallen queen getting raped and humiliated' porn this would generate alone might be enough to make me forgive her.

>>79373756
she doesn't seem like she loves it, she sounds like she's about to rope.

>>79359660
what happened to her voice? :(

is not funny if the villain is so devastated

>>79373997
I just want proof before assassinating someone's character. Odds aren't on her favor but maybe there's some miraculous explanation waiting to be revealed.

>>79363143
Yea, i bet alarms start going off the moment zaion event happened. Would not even be suprised if there was inner conflict between the corpo snitches and people who were planning to leave in first place.

>>79373756
She sounds like she's going to drop dead

You know what I think?
That Elira is cute.

>>79374279
Super Mega Retard Alert!
>Dramatubers were the only ones willing to give her the time of day so obviously she bit
Associating with dramatubers is what really made her radioactive, she could have easily eased back into being an Indie since she had connections with some twitch vtubers, but perpetuated the drama by actively wanting revenge.
People seem to forget that when Selen's termination was announced Sayu's FIRST reaction was to go on Dramatuber's live stream. What the fuck are you doing?

>>79374748
based

>>79374093
I would kneel because of honesty, when someone is evil in your face, you know to avoid them.

>>79374778
>radioactive
Funnily enough there was a completely different reason for that but ever since she patched up things with Matara everything has been going pretty good for her.

>>79374504
>>79374732
>I know she has several hours of content but I'm gonna base my opinion off a select, malicious clip
you're the vtuber equivalent of a livestreamfails redditor

>>79374093
stop posting judge holden with that

>>79374093
Even if I wouldn't like someone's actions I'd still respect their honesty.

>>79374778
Super Mega Ultra Giga Retard Alert!
>she could have easily eased back into being an Indie since she had connections with some twitch vtubers
Most notable indies avoided her like the plague. Tell me what you would have done to make a comeback when you were treated like a leper and have zero outreach, oh wise vtubing expert!

>>79374907
I already mentioned Sayu leaking information, here. >>79373959
Sayu's been given her big chance to move on after OffKai, if she's smart, she'll take it.

Elira, please just leave. save yourself. you still have time to redeem yourself. abandon ship and go be with them. your real family.

>>79375104
The "fans' have poisoned that well.

>>79375104
>real family
lmao
manipulative twat even when she wasn't Elira, I can only pray Mint has cut all ties

>>79374748
wiwa cute

>>79372968
You cunts harassed Sayu long after the smear campaign and drove her to depression and her own attempt. Actually neck yourself.

>>79375154
You reminded me of that Nova screenshot.

>>79373959
To be fair to Sayu, I can't imagine it's easy at all to move onwards when you see the good outcome to what you went through happen to someone else.

>>79369127
I got you, Anon.
https://rentry.org/9oykvcf9

>>79375154
yeah not like they had a month vacation where they shared rooms and cried together a couple months prior to mints redebut

>>79375104
Where's the version that has Sayu instead of Quinn?

>>79372610
>that double-ended spoon in the first pic
i kneel to japanese innovation

>>79372968
If it wasn’t for Matara she'd probably be dead right now. It's crazy how all It takes is one person to save her. meanwhile not one person in nijisanji stood up for her

>>79373959
Maybe it's hard to move on when hordes of retarded teenage kpop fangirls dox you to the point of even posting your passport online. If I were her, I would've hired some Mexican cartels to send professional rapists against them.

>>79375339
That artist has a hateboner for Sayu for some reason

>>79362177
Nice try elirafag

>>79375384
The artist is a falseflagging Nijisister trying to farm clout after all

>go to check fan response to this
>response is crickets
>only person asking questions gets slapped down
Great job, famelira, she's literally disintegrating before your eyes and all you can do is cope and pretend like everything's fine.

>>79375474
not surprised in the slightest

>>79375515
>all you can do is cope and pretend like everything's fine
I mean how else can you be a nijiEN fan at this point?

>>79375359
>If it wasn’t for Matara she'd probably be dead right now.
It seems people are bandying this dire fate a lot around /here/ lately.

>>79375219
Why are sayufags like that? Like rabid dogs attacking everyone who isn't fond of Sayu. She didn't deserve a lot of the stuff, but she still is a massive retard that loves to shoot herself in the leg.

>>79371802
>>79372329
>>79373297
Cool source there pomudachis, you weren't even on the radar since hololive is much bigger.

>>79375061
Super Mega Ultra Giga Retard 3 Alert!
That's just common sense, she just needed to keep her head down and make sure said Indies realized that she was smeared. Instead she allies with dramatubers and leaks information from another ex-nijiEN which is how she really became radioactive to the greater community.

>>79375219
See third quote reply
>>79373959

>>79375359
And that moment from OffKai is a golden opportunity for Sayu to move on. She should take it because if she screws this up, she only has herself to blame.

>>79375301
And a month and a half later Elira openly harassed a suicidal person, what's your point? That it WASN'T enough for Mint to be completely disgusted and cut all contact? Get the fuck outta here.

>>79375700
you are a faggot who needs to go back to tva

>>79375628
NTA but I see a lot of people giving Sayu shit for what she did but don't recognize that she sometimes had no choice if she wanted to still be a relevant vtuber. And if you were a vtuber you most likely aren't complacent unless you are at the level of Shylily/Filian/Ironmouse.
It definitely wasn't easy for Sayu to navigate the scene considering she had a perma-debuff thanks to Niji and it was probably her top priority to dispel the slander/take advantage of Niji's countless yabs.
In the above discussions I see people saying she should have just moved on instead of getting involved in drama, but it's MUCH easier said than done, especially for her. And doing so isn't even going to guarantee that she'll come out of everything in good shape since pretending like nothing happened will not address the Niji slander

>>79375743
and now you're making tons of assumptions for your narrative. like it was in that timeframe everything bad happened, doki never told mint the problems she was having prior, who actually harassed her, etc. all you're going off of are 4chan posts and dramatubers who make their living off of tearing people down

>>79375672
Niji has had a good business relationship with Konami for far longer than Hololive, lots of sponsorships and collaborations. Niji and Konami are also better suited for each other, since they're both black companies.

>>79375700
Super Mega Ultra Giga Hyper Retard 3 Alert!
>make sure said Indies realized that she was smeared
And how was she going to do that when nobody will listen?

>Elira leaving
The captain needs to go down with the ship.

>>79376007
It's wild seeing people say should should have just moved on when the slander literally made her lose friends and connections, and many of them still avoid her to this day, likely because it's too awkward to face her after abandoning her, and realising that they fell hook line and sinker for Niji's narrative.

>>79376022
NIGGA THE EXISTENCE OF THE BLACKED STREAM IS FACTUAL AND TANGIBLE. Elira OPENLY harassed Doki in front of tens of thousands. AFTER her attempts became public knowledge. If you think that Mint wasn't disgusted with this stunt, I don't know what to tell you, since you clearly don't have a high opinion of her for some reason. What, you think that she's a psychopath who would endorse shit like this? Fuck off.

>>79363103
that was in the past when elira can pull 2k playing jrpgs
her old fans like me only come to watch her first few streams as indie trying to see if it really was tazumi forcing her or she is a bitch then they leave, so she stuck at 350~ ccv give or take post debut buff
her new fans only watch her because she has pacman badge and few will follow her to where she goes next

>>79372524
Mori has history with MGS unlike that fake bitch Pomu

>>79375778
You need to wake up and smell reality.

>>79376109
Super Mega Ultra Giga Hyper Retard the Revenge 3 Alert!
>And how was she going to do that when nobody will listen?
You want to know how to get people not to listen? Allying with leeches and leaking conversations.

>>79376552
Answer the question retard

>>79376444
How is the black stream harassment. Please explain

>>79376022
>Elira actively drops a stream over Doki's planned stream to smear her name
>This somehow isn't blatant harassment of a suicidal girl to sisters

>>79376552
We are only here because of her document, she did the right thing by exposing those faggots at nijiEN.

>>79376200
But not before absorbing the remaining crew into her EGO

>>79376552
>Responding to a question with another question to deflect from the fact that he has no idea how to solve the problem

>>79360340
Just because you decided it was a containment thread doesn't mean it's actually a containment thread, seethe about it

>>79376552
>NOOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TELL YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY AND DEFEND YOURSELF YOU BITCH

>>79370644
Do you even know what "ratio" means?
Since most people here seems to agree

>>79376687
Ah, so you're not a coping Elirafag. You're a sister.

>>79376687
>niji drops a stream when doki is live to smear her name
how is it harassment?

>>79376087
>Niji and Konami are also better suited for each other, since they're both black companies.
Ok that was good.

What I find interesting is that, we have all those rrats and constant character assassination of people we, truthfully, don't know much about.
And yet, not a single person will entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe, the people who did the black stream felt justified in doing it. Not as a petty act of revenge or harassment but because they felt they had been wronged by Selen somehow.
I'm not saying they are right, but from where WE stand, with what little information WE have, it's basically impossible to tell for sure, no?

>>79376687
In my opinion it was a form of harassment.

>>79376954
>ignores the question

>>79375286
Kino.

>>79376915
Sayu tells her story multilple times every month, and you retards definitely remind us when surprise surprise no one cares

>>79376676
>>79376763
The question was answered by her actions in allying with dramatubers. If I were friends with her in vtubing, I'd avoid her as well.

>>79376739
>>79376915
>Changing the subject
Doki released her side of the story, and moved on. Sayu made it her entire thing, that's why their paths diverged.

>>79377023
Because you're straight up going to ignore all explanations as you always do, sister. You're not worth my time.

>>79376439
She already said on stream she has her own blacklist of people that actively shit talked her when everything was going down, but turned around this year after it happened to Selen.

Tell me, Ms. Tatsuki, if you can. You have destroyed so much. What is it, exactly, that you have created? Can you name even one thing? I thought not.

>>79377087
It's funny how you keep repeating the point about allying with dramatubers but don't provide a solution to clearing the Niji slander debuff

>>79376474
>2022
What the fuck made you drop her so early on?

>>79377136
I could say the same about you considering you're working off of assumptions and incomplete knowledge

>>79377311

>>79376997
The thing is, we know Nijisanji lies. We know artists literally came out to defend Doki from claims that she couldn't pay them, and it was actually Nijisanji that had trouble paying artists. We know they take the smallest things and make them out to look like nukes. Because of this, they were fighting an uphill battle, since the termination document was already being destroyed by the community for how bad it was. Piling on and doubling down just made the talents come across as actual harrasers, since absolutely nothing added up.

>>79377311
Is there a point to this? Are you dictating your fucking obituary to me?

>>79377367
Funny thing about the food banks is that they're being overwhelmed by third-worlders so Doki's literally trying to save her country because Canada can't do shit.

>>79377136
I hate you fake mint fans so much

>>79362060
She won't have a career after Niji dies, the only way to save her ass is if Doki herself extends her an olive branch, which I doubt will happen soon if any

>>79377327
Follow the Doki playbook, Sayu shot herself in the foot by associating with dramatubers instead of making sure her vtuber friends were still with her behind the scenes.

>>79377311
Elira wishes she had a fraction of the creative drive Doki has.

>>79376997
>not a single person will entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe, the people who did the black stream felt justified in doing it
The fuck are you talking about, that's exactly why people think Elira deserves nothing but her head on a pike

>>79360108
she sounds like a looney tunes character

>>79377493
Ok, let's suppose Sayu does what Doki does
>Puts out her document
>Still gets ghosted by everyone
Now what?

>>79377362
>assumptions and incomplete knowledge
Well then, let me tell you what i do know. Mint has reconnected with Doki and collabbed with her twice. That tells me all i need to know about her moral center.

>>79377526
I don't think Elira thinks about Selen at all

Soooo confirmed, this board wants Elira to go through her Metamorphosis arc.

At least we're all on the same page now?

>>79377470
>t. sister that got ousted from /mint/ during Wrestletuber

>>79377726
I hope the videos leak.

The real manager is now taking over Elira

>>79377493
>making sure her vtuber friends were still with her behind the scenes
What part of them abandoning her don't you understand? What part of it being a successful smear campaign don't you understand? They believed Nijisanji and left her. She was successfully cancelled. She didn't have the opportunity to make up with them because she was public enemy number 1 and had literally no one, besides her fans who had hunkered down.

>>79377423
I do agree that Nijisanji the company has looked completely fucking awful in this whole debacle, but one thing I still think about to this day is how they phrased the part about harassment, specifically that mismanagement had caused an environment where livers felt they were being harassed by other livers.
I do get the feeling that reality is probably way more boring than people think and, at least between the livers, it was a matter of misunderstanding more than malice.
I don't think the company can be defended in any reasonable capacity however.

>>79377327
>Niji slander debuff
Literally doesn't matter outside of the Japanese corpo bubble. Look at the big indies, they all say retard and make rape jokes and laugh at racist humor. Look at the western corpo scene, we have fucking Phase Connect plastered all over the place and collabing with everyone. Even Kirsche, who spouts unironic right wing dogwhistles and is the grifter everyone accuses Pippa of being, isn't blacklisted and is still on good terms with most of the indie scene. 2views and low 3views can seethe all they want, but they're all irrelevant shitters like Krimbo and Marina.

Remember the Golden 20?

>>79377726
But it was Nina who became a cockroach????

>>79377493
It's immediately obvious that the Doki playbook didn't work. The public reaction to both Doki's statement and Sayu's document were night and day. Doki had big indies and companies flock to her tweets whereas Sayu had zero response besides concern about NDA violations.
Did you see any company do what Hyte did for Doki, dropping their collabs with Niji then immediately coming up with a Doki PC case?
This is why although both girls got the same treatment by Niji, they were ultimately very different situations. Doki had years to network with everyone, whereas Sayu was a fledgling corpo who barely had time to even collab with other organs

>>79377646
If she had friends to confide in maybe she could have released a better document but pretending it wasn't herself and saying "b-but it wasn't my fault this happened!" the whole time made her seem like a womanchild. She has friends indie friends and friends in Phase who would have loved to have taken her side but she instead went to dramafag tubers.

>>79360108
>I don't remember her sounding THAT fake
Honestly, I can totally see it as an involuntary subconcious reaction of her mind to cope with the nervousness and stress, causing her to be extremely hyper and fake positive although the situation in itself is probably heart-shattening for her, like how some people start to laugh uncontrollably during stressfull high tension situations.

I know there's also the rrat of her supposedly being a manipulative bitch, but I can't really see how that would work with her shown reaction. If she were acting out such a side, I'd rather expect her having a full on mental breakdown to appeal to people's pity. But ehh, it's just some armchair theory, what do I know.

>>79377780
whatever you say nbinted

>>79377897
Yeah, and none of those big indies signaled any support for Sayu. Even Phase Connect girls took months to start interacting with her. The support Doki got was instantaneous. How stupid are you to not be able to acknowledge the difference?

>>79377493
Doki and Sayu situations are completely different
Doki had everyone on her side, and only niji against her
Sayu had everyone against her, and only her fans and close friends on her side

>>79378164
>t. retard

>>79377646
That's a hypothetical, if you're going by that, why not try something else?
>Confide in her friends to put out the best document to refute the slander
>Keep a low profile until the initial shitstorm dies
>Start up streaming with those friends and make sure to police sisters out.
Instead she put out the document herself and then went full radioactive by associating with dramatubers.

>>79377862
>>79378007
>>79378209
>Only had her close friends on her side
And that's where she should have worked from.

>>79377897
>Slander doesn't matter in the west
Is this your attempt a revisionism.
We all know how bad the Sayu situation was. We all know she was doxxed right down to her address. We all know she was relentlessly targeted by sisters who wanted her completely off the Internet. Your attempt at downplaying it is just retarded.

>>79375104
It's strange this picture exists and Kuro/Michi/Quinn have still yet to interact with Doki. I don't even think they follow her on twitter. Even Mata follows her. What's the deal with that?

>>79378040
>If she had friends...
You are so close to figuring it out
>pretending it wasn't herself and saying "b-but it wasn't my fault this happened!"
Lol, her document literally said the complete opposite, and provided the proper context

>>79359660
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>79378274

>>79378370
I mean, there cannot possibly be any bad blood between Doki and Michi, considering Michi is literally Tenjin's cousin. And from what i know about Kuro, he tends to keep to himself.

>>79378317
>Confide in her friends
Yeah those friends ghosted her because it was easier to avoid them and be on Niji's good side, dumbass
>Keep a low profile
And fade into irrelevancy, such a brilliant plan anon!
>Start up streaming with those friends
You think those friends who abandoned her would come back to collab with her? Lmao, absolute 39IQ take

>>79378375
confirmed retard who didn't read it and is just parroting what he read others say on /vt/

>>79377466
Bless her soul for trying to help this dying nation.

>>79373756
>>79373997
>>79374311
>>79374563
you're not fooling anyone elirafags
your queen will never be vindicated

>>79378641
So you're saying she doesn't have any real friends who would support her over Nijisanji.

>>79378370
Quinn still is Niji's dog
He always comments when they're doing some kind of event

>elirafans coming in last minute to defend her and say she dindu nuffin

I don't get sisters who try to spin what's already long established knowledge into some clown nonsense.

>>79378647
Projection at its finest

>>79378771
To be fair, there's no way to make any of this not sound like clown nonsense
"Massive VTuber corpo blows itself the fuck up over firing one of their best assets and repeatedly shooting itself in the foot" is objective reality AND clown nonsense

>>79378641
She was fading into irrelevancy regardless, the only time she had an uptick in views is when she mentioned Niji in any form. Also Airi and Shiina have known her longer than they've all been vtubing they had nothing to lose by badmouthing Niji EN during that time.

>>79378756
Well done you fucking retard. You finally understand why the smear campaign was so insidious. They made her out to look like literal Satan, so you're correct, she didn't have real friends who supported her over Niji. I almost want to applaud you for getting there.

>>79378859
The irony of posting this in confidence without reading the sentences that follow each highlight.

>>79378997
And did she write anything wrong?

>>79378930
All you've done is character assassinate your own oshi by saying she doesn't have any real friends and they'd believe a corpo over her.
Nice own goal you committed retard.

>>79378997
She's not saying she didn't do anything wrong. She's saying she didn't intend to do anything wrong, you illiterate fuck.

>>79379111
>not having real friends is her own fault

>>79379227
Don't blame me, you're the one the one saying it.

>>79375286
Thanks for the material anon

>>79379111
It's amazing how willing you are to completely miss the point just to try and have a gotcha moment.

>>79379278
Idiot, ever heard of the phrase "it says more about them than it does about her"?

>>79379361
>>79379401
Nah, it's entirely on point. Since your argument is Doki's plan wouldn't work for Sayu because Sayu doesn't have friends.
You only have yourselves to blame for this one.

>>79379473
And you still haven't provided an answer to the original question of "how can Sayu successfully come back from her termination without associating with dramatubers"

>>79379473
The argument is Doki's plan wouldn't work for Sayu because Sayu doesn't have POWERFUL friends, retard

>>79379473
Sayu was in Nijisanji for a couple of months. Doki was there for over three years. No fucking shit people were more willing to support Doki more who had had much more of an opportunity to establish herself in the wider industry. It was much easier to just brush the new girl to the side for daring to squander such an opportunity, rather than go against what was seen as a reputable company at the time.

>>79379716
>>79379790
>>79379833
I already answered the question. You're now saying that doesn't count because Sayu doesn't have friends, or in the case of the last one, 'powerful' friends, what does that mean? Just have people you can stream with and put in a good word for you.
Your retardation is only making Sayu look worse.

>>79379941
>t.

>sisters successfully derailed a thread about elira clearly on the brink of suicide into sayu bad
Fucking morons.