/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>79011240
This is incredible production god damn

>>79011240
Goddamn she either has some damn good sponsors or is very, very stupid with money

>>79011240
>>79001588
i know this word is a meme but, this is kind of epic

>>79011240
THIS WOMAN IS INSANE (POSITIVE)

>>79011533
It's both, comes with loving what she does.

Also fucking lmao nijisanji in shambles

>>79011533
We know she is stupid with money but hopefully her manager managed to give her sponsors (like with the wrestletuber event)

>>79011240
>still burns through cash like a champ
Never change Selen

>>79011240
Doki could've carried the branch on her back, but they refused because she published a finished MV too early wtf

>>79012063
The tale of the golden egg laying goose is still very relevant

>>79012063
nah, it's because she was overshadowing the homos

>>79012036
I just hope she has enough profit and savings for the future... I guess that's where having a helicopter mom IS helpful.

>>79012036
Yeah, imagine how many yachts and stock buybacks she could have afforded on that money

>>79011240
>meanwhile, at NijiEN

>>79011240
>https://vxtwitter.com/a_ya811/status/1805073776297787852
The things someone can accomplish when they care more about the customer than a yatch.

>>79011240
what the fuck
if yesterday you said "yeah it's getting delayed by a day because the live orchestra couldn't finish recording the song" I would have thought you were off your meds

>>79011240
It's not as expensive as everyone thinks. usually it goes from 7k to 15k per piece, assuming it's ready to be performed.

>>79012987
... usd?

>>79011240
holy crap lol

>>79012987
>It's not expensive
>15k USD
>Literally the price of a high end Vtuber model plus crazy rigging

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about her finances, given she has popularity of an average holo, and someone like Gura can make 200k on merch in 3 minutes, and Doki undestands that the bulk of a big chuuba's profit comes from merch, she'll be alright. It's like paying a share from sales to the corpo, but instead she finances kino on this money. It's not like she used to spend her 2% share on personal projects.

>>79013156
4view indies are rich.

>>79011240
She better be reusing this shit because if it was for just one stream she's genuinely crazy

these are the kind of project she got reject in niji

>>79013156
>Literally the price of a high end Vtuber model
the fuck you on about
high end models + crazy riging run arounnd $30k-$40k now

The orchestra thing is actually pretty cheap
I did one for me and my fiancées 2nd anniv

Why are top 1%-ers posting here? This board belongs to the disenfranchised masses.

>>79014357
>spending $1.5k is being in the top 1% now

>>79014237
That's... surprisingly low actually still impressive but still surprising

>>79014237
Huh that's actually pretty cheap.

>>79014237
That's actually pretty decent, and looks just a few people less than the one in the OP clip.
I'm guessing >>79012987 is thinking of a full orchestra that would be booked in a whole ass big theatre.

>>79014237
pretty reasonable pricing if they sound nice

>>79014620
the 15k thing that anon is talking about is probably the more well known and mainstream orchestras

>>79014237
Yeah, that's not much. I read an article just the other day about how music schools keep cranking out classical musicians despite the job market being essentially nonexistent. I guess this is the result of supply and demand at work.

>>79014897
*cries in English major*

>>79014960
Can I hire you to write a novel for me for me and my fiancee's 2nd anniversary?

>>79011240
This woman really needs some divine intervention regarding her spending habits.

>>79014897
We just need to go back to the better times of the Roaring 20s and put an orchestra on every other block of the city.

Every VTuber should have an orchestra.
/vt/ should have an orchestra that delivers immaculately-mocking symphonies to go along with the deranged numbernog's machinations.
We can save the musicians.

>>79015155
Her mother was supposedly taking care of her finances but Doki probably locked her in the basement when she wouldn't let Doki fund an anime.

>>79015216
Nowadays weebs and gamers are super into the orchestra concerts of their fav show/games
They just need to adapt and cater to young crowds more

>>79011533
we know she is stupid with money anon, where have you been?

This is how Tár should have ended.

>>79011533
Her manager is just that good at picking sponsorships.

>>79011240
Did everyone in that orchestra know that they were making music for some anime streamer girl?

>>79011240
I don't wanna sound schizo but...
Is Doki a Rothchild's member?

Cilia what the fuck are you doing cooking like this?
Everything about this model and the reveal are so fucking high effort.
https://x.com/cillia/status/1805101360456610116

>>79016911
QRD on Dokidanoffs?

>>79015066
you need to get a fiance first anon

>>79014237
That's so cute anon, hope missus had fun

>>79016911
More like Rothzhangs

>>79012063
Nah it was a hit job. The Music Video was their trap. The managers let it go though to the end point knowing they would deny it. Their goal was to get her to quit but she tried to self delete instead and it fucked up their evil plans.

>>79011240
She probably spent more on this than any project NijiEN ever did. Hell, the NBA licensing deal would have only been around 50k.

>>79013217
Plus it is her one theme. She can use it forever. She did it for her fans and as an investment into her career. Good job.

>>79017696
I said it in the other thread, but I never really understood why they bullied her and wanted her out so badly until today. Clearly her ambition just mogged everyone else so hard that it would border on embarrassing and make them look terrible by comparison if she hadn't been kneecapped at every step. No one likes being so completely outclassed at their own job by a tryhard who will work for free and dump her own money into projects for no return.

>>79016749
You think they care? They just want to make some dosh.

>>79011240
thank fucking god someone finally discovered that you can hire string players instead of having some monkey click on fake VSTs

>>79018046
Pretty much what I assumed too. Utter Jealousy, or managers not wanting to deal with the extra work.

>>79011240
Jayzas fakking christ idiot Nijisanji. They had this girl all along and they didn't let her loose and make them money. Fucking idiot, dude could change yacht every 6 months and buy his way into Epstein Island Obama gang.

>>79018452
Imagine being a checked-out, underpaid manager who is responsible for a talent that keeps coming up with these INSANELY complex and expensive ideas, nonstop. You just assume they're young, naive, and they are expecting you to do all of this extra work.
Except they're not. They would do the work if you got out of the way.
But you don't know that, and you won't listen to them say otherwise, because you're a manager! You know better!

>>79011240
ACTUAL SOUL WITHOUT THE IRONIC "V".

>>79011240
Holy fuck my knees are bending on their own

>>79011240
>She loved Nijisanji
>Was the most superchatted female
>Was doing projects for them
>She could have made much more money for them if they had given her more merch and sponsors
>Instead they do everything they can to stop her from organizing more stuff and bully her into almost killing herself for no real reason
I don't understand their logic.

>>79018046
The fatal flaw in their plan, of course, is that Doki simply redebuted as an indie after being pushed out of NijiEN and continued mogging them.
So, instead of their company getting to have a crazy passionate workaholic who works her ass off doing cool shit for Nijisanji, there's now a crazy passionate workaholic indie who works her ass off doing cool shit for literally everyone in the EN scene EXCEPT Nijisanji (see: WrestleTuber).
Funny how that works, eh?

>>79011533
>very, very stupid with money
She is very stupid with money. She earned $200.000 last year and spent all of it on artist commissions. It seems like she is still wasting all the money she earns on stupid commissions.

NijiEN could never

>>79019840
>The fatal flaw in their plan, of course, is that Doki simply redebuted as an indie
It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if some of them were hopeful she wouldn't recover from her "attempt" or tried again and was successful after the blackstream.

>>79021316
they probably just assumed the attempts from the company to ruin her image would scare her off and that the Nijisanji audience would somehow take their side in the matter.

>>79021316
Ahem-ahem *Enna* Ahem-ahem

>>79019738
Simple. They feared the other EN members would also want more, which means they'd have to pay for EN, which means Tazumi won't be able to get his 12 ply toilet paper for his hyper-sensitive fucked-raw ass that day.

Really, she deserved the boot.

>>79012514
Someone save her.

>>79011240
Media composer here. Most scoring orchestra rates are quite fair actually, unless you are booking world class players in world class scoring stages, an hour long session can be as low as $500. Dunno how much it is for this Hungarian one, most likely around a grand per hour.
Listened to the music, the composition is alright I suppose, and definitely doesn’t need much rehearsal. The 2 minute piece probably took an half hour session or less. Also not sure how much the composer charged, but for two minutes of composition probably a few hundred USD.
Not to say that it’s not an impressive feat in the vtubing sphere though, and kudos to Doki for actually putting money and passion into her projects.

>>79011240
Is she actually BPD or was that made up? If so, I hope it has no impact on how she manages her finances.

>>79020150
she invested 200k into projects, she didn't bleed herself dry. doesn't make it less stupid though.

>>79021421
>attempts from the company
Attempts....LMAO.

>>79021893
It likely wasn't, but she's very high functioning and clearly has been able to treat it or deal with it in the many, many years since the tweets the sisters found about it, considering... you know... her entire career as Selen being completely yabless.

>>79018046
That's the thing her ambition, Ambition costs money, the goal of Nijisanji EN was to collect supers and Merch while giving the bare minimium back.

>>79021893
It was something she had on her twitter bio from years ago that the sisters dug up using the wayback machine back in February. At the end of the bio it said "Living with BPD" or something similar. The problem is that a lot of people shorten Bipolar to BPD (incorrectly BPD is Borderline Personality Disorder) and she would have been fairly young back then. I'd take twitter bios from young terminally online women with a grain of salt.

>>79021893
It was on her own old Twitter bio. As far as I discern she is the posterchild for the high-functioning variant in which emotional dysregulation is largely internalized and compensated for by compulsive drive to succeed in work and social life. The most typical symptoms associated with the condition in thos case only ever really come out when forced into a severe situation. But considering Doki has been away from that kind of unconducive environment and has a therapist on payroll, I think she is probably faring alright.

>>79022229
> her entire career as Selen being completely yabless
lol
you're still half right though in that she does manage it (her workaholic nature is probably part of that)

>>79022338
Even still, if it is true we've yet to see any big examples of her menheraing, unless you want to assume it's Anyshiro and not Anykuro which is already disproven countless times by things completely unrelated to her. She's done nothing comparable to Miguel at any point.

>>79011240
She's a fucking talented manager if she becomes one. So powerful

>>79022240
but she paid for everything herself?

>>79022568
Do you not see how Selen is sending mixed signals to the investors?

>>79011240
holy fuck that violinist chin is gigachad

>>79011240
Watching the stream right now and holy fuck this is amazing

>>79022568
Who else would pay for her personal project.

>>79011240
>>79012987
>>79014237
Having just looked them up, I'm not so sure they would be all that cheap...

>>79022060
Her projects are dumb shit like the new model having a full animated lore video or having a live orchestra play the music for her. The multiple thousands of dollars she blew on that won't return by that. Do you think people wouldn't watch her new outfit reveal if there wasn't a high quality lore video? Do you think people wouldn't listen to her song if it wasn't a live orchestra?
She blows all her money on shit like that to boost her ego. She does this for herself, but I guess that's what Dokifags want anyway, so I guess it's fine.

>>79018046
Sounds like a Niji issue to me

>>79024287
theyre eastern european

>>79011533
>Oh no my fucking savings for retirement and cruise holidays
We're only here for 60-75 years, or even much less. As long as she's happy making people happy it's fine.

>>79014034
this, with the whole leaning meta vtuber prices skyrocketed

>>79024523
Kill yourself enna you will never be loved again

>>79024809
Retarded cucks Selen sound alot like the case of COCO and now Holokeks Holozhangs memory holed that moment. Returning to China and sucking Zhangs cock and chinks CCP.

>>79024523
Back a year ago she would have done all of this to boost Nijisanji instead of "her own ego". Giving her the boot was a mistake. Cope and seethe about it.

>>79024955
>seething to the point of having a stroke

>>79024523
>Hates her parents and accuses them of being abusive
>Says she'll move out as soon as possible
>Starts to make hundreds of thousands of dollars
>Chooses to spend all her money on retarded horseshit instead of an apartment
As if we needed anymore proof she's a menhera

>>79024287
They're in Eastern Europe, and dealing primarily with contemporary music. You're effectively paying session musicians. Nobody listening to a fucking Disney arrangement is going to notice the string section fudging the intonation and playing notes out of key. And that's without going into the reduced rehearsal time that comes with being the first orchestra to play a piece.

>>79024955
What the fuck does this have to do with Hololive? Please have your stroke in another, more relevant, thread.

>>79025090
Your mother is a prostitute, zhang

>>79024287
Average salary in Hungary is less than 20k EUR per year and cost of living there is way lower than USA. It's not exactly the most expensive place to hire people for a job.

>>79025186
Doki is Chinese.

>>79024955
Are you just trying to fit in as many buzzwords as possible?

>>79025245
Doki is Canadian. And your mother is still a whore.

>>79025245
We know. She's performing in Hong Kong in august.

>>79025186
Maybe focus on moving out, Selen

>>79026197
>nijiniggers too retarded to understand Canadian housing bs

>>79022229
>>79022338
>>79022401
Ah ty, ty. I know people irl with bpd so I'm familiar with the best and worst of it + my girlfriend in highschool pretended to have it, which was a trip to say the least. Just in case it wasn't clear, I am coming from a place of genuine concern and have no love for Niji. I was out the moment I heard they treated Luna poorly (unforgivable)

>>79026305
>Fagoon doesn't understand that the amount of money spent on this much retarded bullshit could have easily bought her a house anywhere in the world

>>79026368
Why would she just move outside of the country? Let alone her province? Sister your pagpag brain is short circuiting due to never seeing that much money spent before, ain't it?

>>79018923
>This is how almost the entire managerial class works

>>79011240
This nutter is more big corpo energy than big corpos

>>79026368
Hard to imagine the organs ever caring about you this much, huh? Oh who am i kidding. You don't watch anyone. Not even fucking Vox at this point.

>>79026368
>buying a house
Oh, hi, Millie! Can i be part of your next bukakke?

>>79024523
>>79025090
Your tears are delicious.

>>79026688
Anywhere in the world includes her province, you retard

>>79028570
Seething nijiniggers not understand economics, a neverending saga

Even $200k won't get you a house anywhere in Canada except for maybe a dilapidated crackhouse out in the Yukon woods

>>79028715
She definitely made more than 200k in the last 4 years and 200k is enough for a house and definitely an apartment in Canada. You're a fucking retard if you think she couldn't afford to move out if she only just stopped wasting all her money on being retarded

>>79029005
Stupid seething sister, go look stuff up

>The average single-detached house in the Yukon sold for $701,000 in the third quarter of 2022
>As of August 2023, the average home price in Alberta stood at $445,190,
>British Columbia's housing market remains somewhat steady, with an average home price of $1,001,736.
>The average selling price of a home in Ontario was $890,600 for the month of May 2024

You'd think Riku actually had a member given how much y'all ride it

>>79029206
I literally just looked up "house for sale in Ontario" in found 4 houses under 200k. Do you actually think Selen can't afford to move out?

>>79029491
What? She did move out.
...Then she had them move in with her again later due to reasons.
Why is this even a discussion? Her job is to create good content, and she spares no expense to make that good content, and we reward her by buying her shit and giving her money.

does this not feel narcissistic to anyone?
legitimately

>>79029658
>>79025090
Here's why it matters, faggot. Learn to read

>>79029752
>>79029772
neck yourself enna, stop samefagging here and go eat your pagpag while crying you fat worthless unlovable waste of oxygen, Also irys was always a better singer than you'll ever be, fuck AME is a better singer than you'll ever be, the real shitbird of EN vtubing

>>79029752
No, actually. Because it's not for her. It's for the dragoons.
She flat out said she prefers to use dragoons in any merch or collaborations that she can, not wanting to be seen or used without them because of how much she feels like we're as much of the stars as she is.
Could it be lip service? Maybe, but it's still an adorable thought and she's kept this mentality since the start.

>>79029752
Did her throwing a fit because she had to wait for perms leading her to getting fired not check your box for "narcissist"?

>>79029966
Man, losing your doxxsite really drove you nijiniggers to a whole new level of retard didn't it

Hang yourself

>>79029966
>she had to wait for perms
That was bullying and she tried to kill herself twice because of it. Please understand.

>>79014034
Uruka has one of the most expensive models on the market and it was 12k

>>79014960
Oddly enough, English majors are one of the degrees with the lowest unemployment out of college. Tons of companies enjoy knowing you can write beyond hmu and skibiti

>>79018317
What you don’t like metronomes under a mask? Next you’ll tell me lofi drums are also shitty and lame (oh wait they are)

>>79028429
sure! you're a target, not a shooter

>>79029935
I like the case design actually, but
>we have Amelia Watson at home
>Amelia Watson at home:

>>79029752
>streamer puts a bit of effort into "new outfit wao!" stream
>Narcissism?

Fucking retard.

>>79030620
>blonde woman
>must be Amelia Watson

2+2=Strawberry moment right there

>>79030731
I don't care about the outfit, giving yourself an orchestra is corny
consider the the medium

>>79030788
You, literally, fail to understand how music is made. It’s fucking incredible the world you have made inside your head, and how it is only tangentially related to the one we are all living in.

“Gave herself an orchestra”
She commissioned music. You’re mad her composer made actual music and not a synthetic reproduction? Would you be mad to know her artist didn’t use stablediffusion to make her outfit?

>>79030788
>vtubers are heavily associated with music including original music, specially in Japan
>how dare this vtuber have music that isn't free tunes from the youtube library on her stream

Fucking retard.

>>79030788
>be chuuba
>commission music
>get music

Oh no what a plot twist

>>79030765
>blonde woman
>short hair
>cowgirl
>shooting theme

Casual reminder that Selen's intro was a royalty free non-copyrighted song (Turtleneck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW5wc4X8jag)) which is why Doki could repurpose it.
And now the indi pays for a fucking orchestra.

>>79011240
This is... BGM? She's gonna LOOP this?

>>79030788
if you do stay on here out of spite instead of going back, i hope your next post is a better one

>>79011240
based

>>79029966
>>79030087
Stop fucking timelooping back to the same debunked fucking arguments, The clique literally made up a bullshit rule about ex organs needing to give her perms for a video she had been working on for over a fucking year, You worthless inbred brownoids keep trying to say she didn't get perms for an ENTIRE FUCKING YEAR???, when she was allowed to put it up on her schedule and OBVIOUSLY had to run the process by management several times during the entire fucking process, Literally any bullshit you pull out of your infected pagpag cunts to paint selen as being in the wrong only makes niji look that much more incompetent and worthless
>She didn't give management enough time
It was a pre-established date for a video a full year in the making
>It was over christmas!
How many christian nips are there?, Christmas is just KFC day there
>She never ran the video by them for a full year!
Retarded schizo bullshit but even IF that was true that just paints management as criminally worthless and neglectful
>It was just a vanity passion project she should have never made!
I get inbred bugs only wanna consoom slop and don't give one iota of a fuck about the actual vtubers in their oshi riku's company, But covers are pretty god damn important to EVERY vtuber and this video was literally made as a celebration for the whole god damn branch
>She should have just waited for perms!
Leaks tell us she was never gonna get those perms, The branchmates hated her, They were never gonna let her release it, They sought to humiliate and push her to the brink so she'd quit the company and instead they pushed too far and she tried to quit life instead
>She's just a weak BPD menhera REEEEE
Gonna memory hole vox akuma's "C-PTSD" saga?, The whole mental health awareness shit he tried to pull? well of course you insects will cause you don't believe in mental health even if it comes from your rape asmr dispenser himself
>It was just a cover why be so dramatic???
It was YEARS of having projects and series cancelled and rugs pulled out from under her, RE Perms, Tournament Perms, Contest Perms, Being mocked on and off camera by branch mates, Openly mocked on twitter, Isolated, All while just trying to give back to a company that was giving her nothing in return
>They never bullied her!!
Black box stream
>It isn't a crime to overlap!!
They literally changed the premiere time on their pre-recorded video after doki's neopets room went live, setting it back half an hour to line them up
>Vox said there was no harassment!
Vox also said not to harass or go after selen and yet here you inbreds are 5 months later, selective hearing much?
No matter how you slice it, All these arguments are played out and nobody except the most deranged of nijiniggers even PRETENDS to buy them, Everyone with half a braincell in the western world has taken doki's side, and NOTHING niji can do will ever change that, seething at her till the end of time won't bring the fans back, won't bring the support back, and it won't bring management back after they gut the branch and fold it into JP like they did for every other fucking side branch they've ever had

>>79032512
im gonna cum

>>79011240
Or she could just use Suno.

>>79032564

>>79011240
There she goes, our anti-hero

The Nijinigger seethe is going to be off the charts for the net few days

>>79030199
that's pretty interesting. understand that im not being an asshole when saying this but, what's the source on that? i kinda want to get a model myself and want to study the difference between lower end and higher end before i drop some serious cash

>>79033827 (me)
*next

>>79032512
damn breaking down every single nijinigger cope in a single longpost i respect that

>>79011533
Both she's also stupid with her money. How else did she blow 200k while in Niji for projects that may or may not work.

>>79011240
Dookieshit.

>>79011240
EXCUSE ME? A professional orchestra?
>Does some reps
Worked on how many films? THE MORROWIND THEME? WARHAMMER?
AVERAGE COST IN THE 5 FIGURES?
…this is not even a meme at this point, she pulled no stop for quality.

>>79034040
You already got BTFO'd this thread inbred, Try again with red woman

>>79032777
https://vocaroo.com/1eNYRkCfbaCD

>>79014237
Yep, it is not that expensive. Basically if you don't do it out of passion you find it hard to keep playing at an orchestra. The money isn't there at all.

>>79032512
Faggoons want to time loop so bad
>It was a pre-established date for a video a full year
In which she didn't show them the video until the last day. For a date she created, by the way
>How many christian nips are there?, Christmas is just KFC day there
Believe it or not, Christmas is still a holiday people celebrate in Japan. Which people take break days on.
>Retarded schizo bullshit
That has all the evidence in the world supporting it, including the manager themselves saying so in a private conversation? Meds?
>but even IF that was true that just paints management as criminally worthless and neglectful
And not Selen for not showing staff the video for HER project last minute? Neck yourself
>But covers are pretty god damn important to EVERY vtuber
And every other Vtuber doesn't throw a fit when their cover has to be delayed because of perm issues
>this video was literally made as a celebration for the whole god damn branch
That she immediately threw under the bus for pity points
>Leaks tell us she was never gonna get those perms
Those totally real leaks? The ones that make Selen look like a petty drama queen that spills shit to her secret discord?
>well of course you insects will cause you don't believe in mental health
What a retarded argument. You're basically saying that mentally ill people are totally trustworthy sources of information and never lie. Might as well give a gun to a serial killer.
>They purposely ruined her projects
Proof? Everyone has perm shit happen to them, they don't cry about it on Twitter and throw the company into a bonfire
>The black box stream is bullying!!!
And I guess defending yourself from an attack is assault.
>They purposely overlapped her!
And they totally didn't push it back to make sure it was before the Riku statement. Genuine schizophrenic
>Vox also said not to harass or go after selen and yet here you inbreds are 5 months later, selective hearing much?
That's funny, because Doki said the same thing. But here you faggots are, leaving hate comments in chats and comment sections.
>Everyone with half a braincell in the western world has taken doki's side
Oh no! The schizos on 4chan said to believe someone with no evidence and some retards online actually did! The whole story definitely doesn't crumble under the smallest bit of scrutiny. Anyone with a brain knows to not trust someone that refuses to show evidence

>>79011533
She spent 200K USD on projects in the last year before leaving niji, leaving her barely breaking even. I really hope this thing is sponsored for her sake...

>>79012514
I love vivi but she is ((there))

>>79025313
If a dog is born in a stable, it doesn't make it a horse

>>79038274
I wonder if she got money from EA, because her animation is quite an apex ad.

>>79038269
>Believe it or not, Christmas is still a holiday people celebrate in Japan. Which people take break days on.
stop reading after this. no they are not what a fking BS. they may go home early but take a day break for christmas???

>>79038269
>worthless inbred nijinigger pagpag literally responding with the EXACT same arguments and cope i debunked
Kekaroo you are worthless just kill yourself already, Doki won, Nijiniggers lost, I can't wait for elira enna and millie to rope alongside you ;)

>>79038811
Yes, people usually do in fact, take break days on holidays they celebrate. The manager is completely unknown too so there's nothing saying they're not Christian or that they are even Japanese. I feel like you retards forget that

>>79038868
Debunked? Where's the debunk? All I see is a worthless faggot bleeding out while he insists he won. You have no counter and no evidence that Doki isn't full of shit. Meanwhile Niji actually bothered proving something. Anyone with a functioning brain that doesn't jack it to Selen's tits daily knows what she is

>>79011240
Based Doki always pushing the production limits

>>79039089
>worthless faggot bleeding out
just like your corp, bootlicker

Ahhhhhhhh Nijinig crying and shitting INJECT IT INTO MY VEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNS

>>79014960
english majors rule the uk at least, lower unemployment than STEM unironically

>>79039373
The corporation that made over double the profit of their competitor is bleeding out? Keep begging for Selen's cock, maybe she'll finally acknowledge you

>>79014960
The STEM shit is bullshit you know that right?
Bachelor of Art has some of the highest employment rates because it covers an enormous range while the number of jobs for physicists, biologists or pure maths is limited

>>79039736
>double the profit
Tends to happen when you bleed your workers dry.

>>79038269
just give up you inbred
>In which she didn't show them the video until the last day. For a date she created, by the way
You are actually a brainless fucking subhuman if you genuinely believe this, Nobody as anal about getting projects done as selen clearly fucking was would leave that shit to chance, She knows niji management are worthless 7$ an hour ESLs, The work ethic she has shown for YEARS disproves this retarded argument to anyone with eyes
>Believe it or not, Christmas is still a holiday people celebrate in Japan. Which people take break days on.
Literally false, Nobody but expat gaijins give a fuck about KFC day
>That has all the evidence in the world supporting it
It has LITERALLY Z E R O evidence supporting it but go off sis
>including the manager themselves saying so in a private conversation?
That isn't what they fucking said insect, If you genuinely believe that cropped fucking chunk of a convo was the FIRST EVER TIME they had heard of this project or seen the video you are beyond retarded and it is a wonder your body functions enough for you to be able to post
>meds?
No meds exist that can cure nijiniggerism little miss rotten cunt
>And not Selen for not showing staff the video for HER project last minute?
She would literally NEVER do that, After all the other times she was screwed over?, Fuck no you'd have to be beyond retarded, Even the stupidest newest recruit would know better, I know you want selen to be a lazy retard for your fantasy to work but it just isn't reality
>Neck yourself
You first fucktard
>And every other Vtuber doesn't throw a fit when their cover has to be delayed because of perm issues
Every other vtuber doesn't have their cover delayed by a branch of fucking snakes trying to oust the golden goose out of the branch due to jealousy and meangirl clique spite
>That she immediately threw under the bus for pity points
She has never said a negative word about any of the organs or even the company itself since her first tweet, Which points the finger straight at management and NONE of the organs, Nijisanji are the ones who threw their own organs under the bus, along with elira outing herself enna and millie needlessly when NOBODY was blaming them before the black screen stream
>Those totally real leaks? The ones that make Selen look like a petty drama queen that spills shit to her secret discord?
The ones with the exact same discord cosmetic she has as doki?, The ones that paint her as someone at the end of her rope because she knows all her co-workers are worthless fucking snakes and she has no one else to talk to but the PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON THE PROJECT THAT WILL NEVER BE RELEASED?
>What a retarded argument. You're basically saying that mentally ill people are totally trustworthy sources of information and never lie. Might as well give a gun to a serial killer.
?????????????? That isn't what i am saying at all, Also doki isn't mentally fucking ill, She isn't even confirmed to actually have BPD as she deleted all those self diagnosed tweets that you doxxing maggots dug up for fuel to add to your fire, Even if she DID have BPD nijisanji literally outed themselves by admitting to the crimes before doki even said a single word
>Proof? Everyone has perm shit happen to them, they don't cry about it on Twitter and throw the company into a bonfire
"Covid huh?" "Daddy's gonna kill himself over his sex ASMRs" "I really wanted to be apart of the basketball collab but i wasn't chosen"
>They don't cry about it on Twitter
Yeah fucking right, And selen was fucked over for bullshit reasons, jealousy and spite and was rugpulled when she did everything she was supposed to do and was STILL fucked over regardless
>And I guess defending yourself from an attack is assault.
Nobody ever attacked them, Doki literally never mentioned a single liver's name or accused any of them of anything, The ONLY reason everyone blames elira enna millie and the other faggots like vox and luca is because they fucking outed themselves
>And they totally didn't push it back to make sure it was before the Riku statement.
The riku statement came a full fucking hour after it, it STILL would have been before it at the original time you shit eating pagpag
>Genuine schizophrenic
Yes you are and that explains everything
>That's funny, because Doki said the same thing. But here you faggots are, leaving hate comments in chats and comment sections.
Oh no shitposting on /here/ when the entire western world hates nijiniggers and their fetid organs for their retardation, oh boo hoo hoo, Doki isn't responsible for normies or existing niji antis using her against her expressed wishes to shitpost against you worthless subhumans and your equally worthless organs
>No evidence
There is plenty of evidence and all of it was provided by nijisanji them-fucking-selves in their retarded attempts at controlling the narrative, NOTHING crumbles, Fucking KILL YOURSELF you worthless inbred nigger

>>79039736
seems like nijiniggers care more about corpo dick than their livers

>>79039736
>Double the profit
Because they are a skeleton crew running a sweatshop where the chuubas get 2% of the merch and cry over spilling soup while the CEO owns a fucking yacht, Worthless bootlicking faggot

>>79038269
Ahh fuck keep it coming sisters, if you make me bust I might give you a minute with vox

>>79039736
>My only oshi is riku's bank account, I hate vtubers and vtubing and only worship corporations
We get it gook you are a sub-human waste of oxygen no need to spam the thread telling us that over and over again

>>79039089
>Anyone with a functioning brain that doesn't jack it to Selen's tits daily knows what she is
What part of THE ENTIRE, WESTERN, WORLD, do you inbred fucktards not understand?, Cr1tikal's video on it was seen by over 2 million people alone, Everyone hates black companies, Nobody likes sexpets like vox and luca, nobody likes SJW twittard bullies like all the ex hanamori, Nobody likes cocksucker bootlicking inbred third world seamonkeys like you, Literally NOBODY except you inbreds think selen did anything wrong

>>79039736
GLOB GLOB GLOB-niji da best-GLOB GLOB GLOB

>>79038931
>The managers were hard confirmed to be japanese high school students working for 7$ an hour
Sister i know lying is literally ALL you have but seriously just rope yourself already literally everything you are saying is false

>>79039089
>worthless faggot bleeding out
But enough about riku's net worth nijinigger

>>79039736
mask off moment, too easy

>>79038559
- Tao Tzu Chang, The Art of War

>>79038269
LOL HOLY NIJISEETHE LOLOL

>>79016911
Her Grandfather is Sir Li Ka-shing.

>>79038269
>Proof? Everyone has perm shit happen to them
>Everyone has perm shit happen to them
Selen got fired for releasing her own MV that's been worked on for a year, but nobody in management gave a shit when Luca stole Holo-exclusive music, don't you start talking shit about perms equality
>they don't cry about it on Twitter and throw the company into a bonfire
Pomu broke down crying in a mengen stream which mysteriously disappeared after she left and everyone who went to VShojos told stories about how shit Niji was and fucked them over. Meanwhile, artists complained about not getting paid or being told to sign invalid documents. But I'm sure it's all just a big conspiracy to bring down poor innocent Niji for no reason, surely everyone outside the clique isn't saying the company is shit because the company is shit

>>79040558
NTA. I don't give a fuck about the boys so I'd like qrd on this Holo-exclusive music thing you mentioned anon.

>>79040695
Luca used a hololive BGM in his the closing shift stream (Towa's little devil story), and the vod was taken down and it was never apologized for or mentioned ever again

>>79011240
It's a living. How do you think these classicalfags keep existing? People pay them to play shit for them. They can't all get conducted by some ponce with a well known name and play THE GREAT CLASSICS all day every day.

Today however you can just get someone versed with an electone to spit out something good enough. Before that there was the Mellotron.
Now AI is in the fray so the prices for a LIVE STUDIO ORCHESTRA will keep going down.

>>79040956
Didn't this happen multiple times? I remember hearing about him using Okayu's music too

>>79021583
She'll save herself soon.

>>79039857
>Nobody as anal about getting projects done as selen clearly fucking was would leave that shit to chance
She literally fucked up her new model reveal, you retard. Even said the people involved had to fucking crunch to meet her deadline. This "years of good work ethic" cope is fucking retarded
>Nobody cares about Christmas in Japan
Keep telling yourself that
>It has LITERALLY Z E R O evidence supporting it but go off sis
They literally fucking said so. Where's Selen saying they're wrong?
>Cropped convo
Genuine schizophrenic. They literally showed evidence in the photo that proves they left nothing out of the conversation. They knew about the project but not what the video would be, dumb fuck. Pic related
>She would literally NEVER do that
Fantastic argument! Some random faggot online says she wouldn't be retarded so she can't be retarded. Simply forget that she blows all her money on dumb shit and is retarded
>Every other vtuber doesn't have their cover delayed by a branch of fucking snakes trying to oust the golden goose out of the branch due to jealousy and meangirl clique spite
Exactly. Selen never had this happen to her either. She isn't even the golden goose. So what's with her massive ego trip? Must be the fact she's a giga menhera
>She has never said a negative word about any of the organs or even the company itself since her first tweet
Memoryholing that Neopets stream? Memoryholing her accusing the company of harassment? If someone was threatening to ruin my reputation and I already know what she's gonna lie about, I'd explain what actually happened too. That's not me throwing myself under the bus unless people genuinely have 0 intelligence
>The ones with the exact same discord cosmetic she has as doki?
The one that anyone who watched her streams know she uses on discord? Retarded gullible faggot. Choke on her spit more, the only confirmed snake is the one who dragged everyone into a legal shit storm only to run away and never show evidence she was ever harassed.
>She deleted the evidence she has BPD so she doesn't have it
Hahaha. I guess if I don't look at something, it doesn't exist anymore. Any proof she was self diagnosed or are you saying she lied about having a mental illness?
>Doxxing
It's doxxing to look at her old tweets on the same account she uses right now? Guess if you look at someone's week old tweet, it's doxxing now
>They admitted to it!
Holy retard. How do you hear "There was no harassment" as "There was only harassment"?
>Goal post shifts from complaining about perms to complaining at all
Fucking retard, go back in your sewer
>selen was fucked over
Yeah, by her spotty brain. Tragic
>Doki literally never mentioned a single liver's name or accused any of them of anything
No, she only accused the entire company of harassment leading to everyone getting harassed because retards can't keep their gossip in their pants. She also threatened to publish the document they were saying she threatened to publish while they were streaming.
>Luca
Luca had nothing to do with the black stream past retweeting it, you fucking idiot. Jesus, how little do you know?
>The riku statement came a full fucking hour after it
Which is making sure that it was before the statement, you fucking retard. Do corporations release shit by the minute or by the hour?
>shitposting on /here/ when the entire western world hates nijiniggers and their fetid organs for their retardation
You are not American, you will never be American. The entire Western World is getting tired of believing shit without evidence so now they're actually asking for it. Spells trouble for Selen, doesn't it? Must be way you're running for a defense
> Doki isn't responsible for normies or existing niji antis using her against her expressed wishes
Cool. So you can stop using what Niji members say to try throwing heat off if Doki's back too
>their retarded attempts at controlling the narrative
The fucking irony. Usually people who have evidence but don't release it are hiding something. Seems like your shit bird is the one desperately attempting to control the narrative

>>79029935
She is very parasocial with the dragoons. You have no idea.
Let’s just say if she was banned from streaming ever again there’s a high probability she would kill herself.

>>79041382
please end yourself alread ellie. They didnt even spell your name right in that concert.

>>79040558
>Selen got fired for releasing her own MV that's been worked on for a year
Actually she got fired for doing everything in her power to make it even fucking worse, dumb fuck.
>nobody in management gave a shit when Luca stole Holo-exclusive music
You mean they took down his VOD and never put it back up?
>Everyone who left talks about how shit Niji is
Yeah, they quit. Most people talk shit about their old job and leave shit out that incriminates them.
>artists complained about not getting paid
Which is confirmed to be the job of the member who commissioned them
>being told to sign invalid documents.
Which the members are responsible for giving the people they commission. But no, a bunch of retards online that can't be bothered to do the slightest bit of research are to be believed

>>79041382
>Memoryholing that Neopets stream? Memoryholing her accusing the company of harassment?
Memoryholing the fact that this accusation first came from Anycolor themselves in the termination statement?

>>79011240
She's literally the modern equivalent of a renaissance-era noble patron and I'm glad she can do what she's always wanted now. NijiEN's worst fumble to date.

>>79041786
Memoryholing that Selen was the first person to accuse anyone of harassment and use that accusation as blackmail?

>>79039803
Damn, didn't know Mysta could afford a house in London while being bled dry. He must have been stacked

>>79041962
*gasp*
how dare she blackmail a multi billion company

>>79042136
Commie faggot. Not only did she blackmail the company, she did it by threatening to ruin the reputation of her friends in it too. Actual fucking snake that should have stayed on her meds

>>79041755
>you now remember that artists said Selen paid them out of her own pocket because Niji was too slow to do it themselves
>you now remember artists came forward saying they were given the wrong name in their NDA and asked for a correct one, only to never receive it so they were never under an NDA
>you now remember the only perms that could have gotten in the way were from Niji since Lilypichu said she gave the okay a year prior to December of 2023
>you now remember you are a lying faggot with zero reading comprehension and knowledge retention because those two skills are inconvenient for peddling the narrative you prefer

>>79041939
Imagine hating someone for paying for their own projects and doing all the work themselves while you reap the benefits. They weren't even good at exploiting her lmao

>>79041755
>Paying for everything in Niji's name and writing NDAs for them is confirmed to be the livers' job
lmao alright, show the proof then

>>79038269
>>79038811
>>79038931
>>79039857
Sorry to butt into this conversation, but you’re all overlooking the fact that it was actually NIJIFes when Selen sent that message. It seems all the staff, even the project management teams etc go to that event and it’s all hands on deck. I wouldn’t put it past them to not inform their EN talents though. It seems the entire branch was neglected as a whole (though obviously Selen got it a lot worse)

>>79041755
>Yeah, they quit. Most people talk shit about their old job and leave shit out that incriminates them.
Yeah just like Kson constantly talks shit about Holo and Henya talks shit about VOMS, oh wait no they don't

>>79041382
>she fucked up her model reveal
Except she didn't, Her artists fucked it up by not telling her until the very last moment that it wasn't ready, Which is uh... a VERY different situation from having the project 100% ready to fucking go and being denied by made up rules LITERALLY NO OTHER ORGAN HAS EVER HAD TO FOLLOW BEFORE OR SINCE
>Nobody cares about Christmas in Japan
>Nobody cares about Christmas in Japan
>Nobody cares about Christmas in Japan
>Nobody cares about Christmas in Japan
>Nobody cares about Christmas in Japan
How many times must i drill this objective fact into your worthless seanigger brain?
>picrel you linked
Nothing in this says it was the first time they ever saw the project, Just the first time they saw the final fully completed video, NOTHING here says there wasn't a process involved in confirming everything beforehand, this "ex-livers" rule didn't apply to pomu mysta or nina who never gave permissions to be in future projects, Mysta literally having NO IDEA his voice would be in the fucking AR Live, Pomu certainly not talking with niji after her graduation
>Genuine schizophrenic
Yes you are
>They literally showed evidence in the photo that proves they left nothing out of the conversation.
The entire 1+ year of permissions and back and forth with artists and storyboards is apparently "nothing" to you nijiniggers okay got it!
>They knew about the project but not what the video would be
A failure of management, it's their job to know what their talents are doing and help them with it, Thanks for the concession
>dumb fuck
Inbred brainless retard is more accurate to describe you pagpag
>Fantastic argument! Some random faggot online says she wouldn't be retarded so she can't be retarded.
Fantastic argument!, Some random faggot online says she has to be retarded so she must be retarded
>Simply forget that she blows all her money on dumb shit and is retarded
Simply forget that she works very closely with artists and back and forth negotiations and isn't just dumping money for others to do the work without her input
>Exactly. Selen never had this happen to her either.
That's literally what this entire situation was to anyone with half a braincell and a shred of knowledge about the situation and history of her being fucked over
>She isn't even the golden goose.
She was the biggest in EN after luxiem fell off, And she was ALWAYS the biggest female in the branch period, Her merch constantly sold more than everyone else's
>So what's with her massive ego trip?
Elira didn't like how selen was more popular than her, That explains the ego trip
>Must be the fact she's a giga menhera
Her enna and millie to be exact
>Memoryholing that Neopets stream?
Where she literally said nothing bad about any of the organs?
>Memoryholing her accusing the company of harassment?
The COMPANY, Not the organs, which everyone interpreted as management based on past experiences with zaion, ,mika mysta, matara, And nijiJPs like lulu and chihiro
>If someone was threatening to ruin my reputation
Which doki was never doing to any of the organs, not fucking once
>and I already know what she's gonna lie about
You SHUT THE FUCK UP until she makes her accusations and then bury her with your "evidence"
>I'd explain what actually happened too
You'd get out ahead of it by admitting to felonies like reading documents that weren't meant for you?, Admitting to the felony of harassing her and her emergency contact while she is in the hospital regarding work problems?, Of course a worthless SEANigger like you would do it you live in a sub-human shithole
>That's not me throwing myself under the bus unless people genuinely have 0 intelligence
If you walk up to a crime scene of a missing person and loudly proclaim "I DID NOT MURDER HER ANYONE SAYING I MURDERED HER IS A LYING LIAR YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME" You will look guilty as all hell to anyone with a singular functioning braincell
>Concedes i was right about the leak being real
I accept it!
>the only confirmed snake is the one who dragged everyone into a legal shit storm
There were never any legal actions taken and there never will be from either side, And the only ones who "dragged" anyone into anything were nijisanji for not giving her the magni/vesper style graduation she fucking wanted in the first place
>Only to run away and never show evidence she was ever harassed.
Only to move on with her life because ruining it by going after a foreign mega corporation for damages would take years and $ she could spend on literally anything else, Also she didn't need to provide any evidence when we saw vox elira and bottle crunch harass her in real fucking time you shit eating mongoloid
>She deleted the evidence she has BPD so she doesn't have it, Proof she lied about BPD?
She deleted old cringe tweets of her self diagnosing as a dumb teenager, not to hide whatever bullshit you think is so vital
I already addressed the rest above, TL:DR kill yourself before you overdose on copium timeloopy

>>79042250
>you now remember that artists said Selen paid them out of her own pocket
Like they're supposed to do? The members pay for their projects, retard. Not Niji
>you now remember artists came forward saying they were given the wrong name in their NDA and asked for a correct one, only to never receive it so they were never under an NDA
You now remember that it wasn't even an artist who said that but a cosplayer with no fucking evidence that it actually happened at all. You will now also remember that the members are responsible for giving the people they commission the documents
>you now remember the only perms that could have gotten in the way were from Niji
You will now remember that Niji says that graduated members own the assets but will continue to insist you know more about the company that the people actually running it

>>79042649
>Managers are worthless and never handle any paperwork or communication between talents and contractors, They never follow up on details of projects of the talents they manage, they never ask for perms until the last minute, They just sit back and collect their 7 dollars an hour
Stop timelooping and KILL YOURSELF ALREADY, it's ALMOST JULY, NOBODY WITH A FUNCTIONING BRAIN IS ON NIGGERSANJI'S SIDE

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the nijiseethe I'm gonna
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Who has the energy to go on so many schizo reply chains? If we spent that much energy on being useful, we wouldn't fucking be here.

>>79042649
>Graduated members own the assets
Stopped reading there, Talents aren't third parties, They don't even own the computers they use when they work for niji, Rope yourself

>>79042233
Ok millie. Send enna our regards.

>>79041382
Damn, nijisis be trying to push the "Doki is mentally ill Bipolar woman who should not be trusted" narrative, yet failed to realize that this in turn makes Niji into a company who bullied a mentally ill woman into suicide attempt, which imo, makes Niji way worse in the public eye.
And yes, public, no matter what you wrote here, or whatever site you go, its impossible to move the public conscious that Niji is a black company. The Selen stuff Its covered by normie drama channel, which means everyone and their mother already think that Niji is a company that push a hardworking girl into a suicide attempt. The moment those people covered the story, its already over for Niji to even get any good will from people.

Also, trying to debunk stuff on 4chan? fucking really?

>>79042233
>A single "bpd retard who can't ask for perms" is so clever and shrewd she can blackmail a japanese mega corporation with "lies and slander"
You aren't a sister, You are just trolling, NO ONE is that retarded

Jesus did i finally discover time travel and loop back to feburary?, Why are these same meaningless arguments still going on???

>>79042233
>Communism is when you refuse to lick the boot of a corrupt authoritarian organziation

>>79042649
This is hilarious because even if what you're saying was actually true, it just means that the company does literally nothing. The livers have to commission all their shit themselves, pay for it themselves, write the legal documents themselves and take care of perms themselves? That's just being an indie. You're actually trying to defend Niji's side by claiming they only exist to siphon money because everything else is the livers' responsibility

Real timeline of events:
>Dec. 23, Doki announces her old merch will be available next week
>Dec. 24, Selen sends the MV to Mane-san asking for approval
>Dec. 25, Selen uploads her last cup of coffee, knowing it will get taken down without the approval
>Dec. 26, Doki said she lost $15k on a project
>Selen asks people to re-upload her song, knowing how management will react.
>The "accident" happens
Really makes you think. Doki has never provided any receipts and wants to move on.

>>79043023
Selen Shokku was essentially a Shell Shokku to the sisters. They just keep reliving the same event in their heads posttraumatically.

>>79043023
sisters are always silently coping and licking their wounds, but every once in a while they get triggered so fucking hard they can't help but screech with the same timeloops again. Like a beaten stray dog that tries to steal food again after a period of hiding, only to get beaten again.

>>79042614
>nobody cares about Christmas in Japan
NTA but she did send the video on a weekend which happened to coincide with Christmas. The Japs may not celebrate Christmas but they do also have weekend breaks.

The post traumatic selen disorder is real

>>79043023
Sisters are developmentally regressed and retarded, please understand.

>>79043273
It was literally the weekend of NIJIFes. Nobody in AC had a break, they were all working.

>>79043248
Real timeline of events:
>Your inbred seamonkey father didn't pull out of your pagpag mother in time
>He beat her like the sub-human ape he is and took half the pagpag and left her
>She gave birth to you in a back alley dumpster and left you there
>You got taken in by other SEA-pags and were raised to guzzle corporate cock as a child slave worker at jollibee's
>You heard a pirated K-Pop song on the radio and became a Stan, Gaining internet access and gossiping online with your fellow sub-humans as the only source of joy in your life
>You swapped from K-Pop to Vtubers cause of a B2 stream you caught randomly
>You spend every day schlicking your infected cunt and crying to your recording of vox's rape ASMR while arguing on 4chan about how the evvvuuullll canadian ruined your oshi riku's dollar siphoning scheme
Really makes you think.

>>79043493
BASED BASED BASED

>>79031146
there's a big difference

>>79041382
NTA you were arguing with but because you seem stupid, this looks like a fun way to kill some time.

>she literally fucked up her new model reveal. The people involved had to crunch to meet her deadline
So we're conveniently leaving out the fact she said she didn't know they were crunching and they were doing it out of their own free will. A mistake borne of miscommunication, perhaps, but far from malicious.
>zero evidence supporting the claim that Selen never shared the music video with management for a year
I don't know if you understand what you said. If management didn't know squat about a huge project that was going to involve representation of the entire branch and a celebration of the streamer's career up until that point, then that means management isn't asking the right questions. You could fault Selen in some ways maybe for not initiating a conversation about it but a year is made up of 365 days and a day has 24 hours. It takes 60 minutes to make an hour. A discord message can be typed in 10 minutes or less. If a "manager" cannot be damned to check in on their talent's projects within that span of time, then I'm sorry to tell you: incompetent beyond belief and that "manager" should not be working that job.
>"Selen would never do that" is a retarded argument
Yeah, so there's something called "credibility" and it's built on consistency in character and action. If you're wondering why the world trusts Selen more than they trust Nijisanji, it's because Nijisanji has an excellent track record of negligent management as evidenced by its prior branch closures and the incidents surrounding them. You're pretty ignorant so that's on you if you haven't done your reps. There were some decent compilations of Nijisanji's history of not-so-nice things. Selen's biggest crime on this site is performing less than desired at a tournament.
>Selen was not the golden goose
Selen was not the biggest moneymaker for Nijisanji indeed. Luxiem and Noctyx were absolutely the biggest moneymakers, and Pomu outsold her by a considerable margin as well. But if you've observed anything about the current landscape of things, you'd know that Selen brought more than just money. If you can't figure out what she brought to the table, you shouldn't even be running your mouth.
>She never said a negative word about any of the organs
This is actually true by the way, Doki has never explicitly said anything bad about Nijisanji following the termination and its fallout. In fact, Doki has done Niji a few favors by outlining the pros and cons to corpo vtubing without letting her bad experiences taint her advice. She doesn't speak of the corpo by name, she has not slandered a single talent or implicated anyone by her own words. That Neopets stream you mentioned? She said she'll consult her lawyer and she mentioned "having receipts." Whether she'll show them or not to the public is her call, but she said what she needed to say.
>She deleted the evidence she has BPD so she doesn't have it
The only "evidence" anyone has is a few words in her old twitter bio and some comments on twitter praising her for repping BPD. That's it. No one knows if she was self-diagnosing. Hell, no one knows if she was lying either. Anyone who brings up the BPD as a counter is also pretty retarded because it means that Nijisanji and its talents willingly enacted malice and negligence on someone with a mental illness. Think about the headlines that'll get before you say shit. If the dramatubers ran that headline, you can bet money Nijisanji would be in an even worse position than they are now.
>your entire bullshit drivel about the black stream and Riku's statement after it
Your argumentation is retarded. The black stream hurt their credibility and image in a way no one anticipated, apparently. It doesn't matter whether you believe Selen about her attempts or not. The optics of doing what they did to an alleged suicide attempt survivor is horrid beyond belief. It damaged Riku's statement because the delivery of the messaging was conflicting. Elira tried crocodile tears and Vox couldn't keep himself from laughing while reading his script. The delivery of a message matters just as much as the content, and they fumbled the delivery of their message hard. Remember what I said about consistency in the above statements? Seems like Nijisanji is only capable of consistently shooting themselves in the foot.
>the entire Western world is getting tired of believing shit without evidence so now they're actually asking for it.
Innocent until proven guilty is ideal. But unfortunately, Nijisanji and Anycolor have not proven they deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt. If you told me a murderer had been released from prison and was now facing life in prison for charges on attempted murder, I would be inclined to think "well, they did it once, so...."

>>79043414
In that case I’m sure everyone was pretty swamped with Nijifes.

>>79042590
>Kson constantly talks shit about Holo
She literally made an entire PowerPoint why she prefers Vshoujo over Hololive, you faggots
>>79042614
>Her artists fucked it up by not telling her until the very last moment that it wasn't ready
But why wasn't she hovering them and asking if it was ready? Seems like she can't manage her own project. Like a retard
>Nobody cares about Christmas in Japan
Keep telling yourself that
>Nothing in this says it was the first time they ever saw the project
Yeah, the termination notice does though, you illiterate fuck.
>this "ex-livers" rule didn't apply to pomu mysta or nina who never gave permissions to be in future projects
Proof nowhere. Mysta literally told you faggots to stop twisting his words for drama because he obviously knew he'd be played in the AR live.
>The entire 1+ year of permissions and back and forth with artists and storyboards
The proof that management ever saw it doesn't exist.
>it's their job to know what their talents are doing and help them
Pretty tough when the talent doesn't tell them shit and is so much of a bitch to work with, she runs through three different managers
>Pretends spending all the profit you made in a year on vanity projects is a good idea
You're a retard
>Selen was the golden goose! Luxiem fell off!
They completely mog her in every metric, you fucking idiot. Even Noctyx did.
> Where she literally said nothing bad about any of the organs?
Yeah, I guess being called a lying criminal isn't bad
>The COMPANY, Not the organs, which everyone interpreted as management
Is that why faggots were flooding comment sections and Twitter threads about members being harassers?
>Which doki was never doing to any of the organs, not fucking once
I guess threatening to release the document accusing everyone of being harassers isn't a threat to their reputation
>You should wait until your reputation gets fucked instead of preventing it from getting fucked at all
You're a fucking idiot
>Retarded monkey can't read a timeline and doesn't think the first thing Niji did was tell her to explain what happened
So, if Selen said she was in the hospital the day after Niji said they spoke to her emergency contact, does that mean they spoke to her while she was in the hospital? Learn to read, ESL Faggot
>You will look guilty as all hell to anyone with a singular functioning braincell
It's a good thing they actually said "This girl has threatened to publicly accuse me of harassment if I don't do what she says"
>Still believes that the leak is real despite it being the easiest shit to fake and it has no source
Your brain is rotted thanks to doing too many cum tributes to Selen's fat face
>There were never any legal actions taken and there never will be from either side
She brought in lawyers, threatened legal action multiple times and pussied out every time. She's a pathetic coward
>Also she didn't need to provide any evidence
Didn't bother reading anything else. You're so delusional that them ever talking about her retarded ass is bullying. You saying she doesn't need evidence sums up the entire faggot drama
>She deleted old cringe tweets of her self diagnosing as a dumb teenager
She was a grown woman when she made that profile, dumbass. Proof she lied about having BPD?

>>79043667

>>79044108
Thank you fellow architect

>>79044201
np

it cracks me up with how many 40 years olds get so worked up over women pretending to be cartoons.

>>79043493
Cool story, bro. I'll be seeing Dokibird live this weekend simply because I can.

I wonder if somewhere out there exists a parallel universe where Cover fired Mio and made her take the blame over the perms holocaust, Rushia is still in the company and gets away with causing yabs and breaking contract left and right because she's part of the golden goose gen, everyone now loves Niji and Holosisters keep shitting up the board desperately defending what's left of their company

>>79011240
Hungary has earned a spot in the nijisister sanction list! Boycott! Boycott!

>>79020150
She made the same amount of money back with the 2% cut
It's retarded how much NijiEN acts like a shitty MCN in the early days of youtube

Honestly this probably wouldn't cost as much as you'd think. You can throw just about any score you want at a concert musician and they can sight read it. This is like one or two hours of work for an orchestra that they can slot into their day of recording other random crap. Just get a few raw recordings of performance then do all the editing on your end. Easy.

>>79044028
>But why wasn't she hovering them and asking if it was ready? Seems like she can't manage her own project. Like a retard
She was told it would be ready up until the very last moment it wasn't, It's not her fault they lied
>ESL 7$ An hour highschoolers in japan care about burger holidays
Keep telling yourself that
>Yeah, the termination notice does though, you illiterate fuck.
The same termination notice that admits to skinwalking her account while she is in hospital?, where they took away access to her accounts WHILE she was in hospital and pestered her for a naked dogeza WHILE SHE WAS IN HOSPITAL, The same one that lied about her not paying artists?, Yeah sure okay buddy
>Kuro whined at a dramafaggot therefore he is TOTALLY ON OUR SIDE SISTERS AND AGREED TO BE IN OUR CONCERT
He never said that he just said he hated dramaniggers but go off sis
>The proof that management ever saw it doesn't exist.
That's the best part though!, If they never saw it that means it's LITERALLY STILL THEIR FAULT FOR NOT ASKING ABOUT IT
>Pretty tough when the talent doesn't tell them shit
Pretty tough when the management doesn't ask them shit, And again you are REALLY going with the narrative that after selen was fucked over for perms with fall guys and her outfit and RE that she WOULDN'T be super anal about getting perms for her biggest ever fucking project????, yeah sure ok buddy
>Pretends spending all the profit you made in a year on vanity projects is a good idea
>I only like my organs when they were worthless talentless hacks who make dick jokes and rape ASMR!, Why should they ever give anything nice back to their fans when i don't give a fuck about them, I'm too busy glucking my TRUE OSHI RIKU'S COCK GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK
>They completely mog her in every metric, you fucking idiot. Even Noctyx did.
In 2022 sure, But not in late 2023 and certainly not anymore!
>Yeah, I guess being called a lying criminal isn't bad
Good thing nobody was calling any of the organs lying criminals!
>Is that why faggots were flooding comment sections and Twitter threads about members being harassers?
Dramafaggots speculating on who could be harassing her was very much minimal up until the black box stream outed that it was the organs
>I guess threatening to release the document accusing everyone of being harassers
Oh no a panicking doki who is hyperventilating because they are reading a private document that contains her medical records and who the fuck knows what ELSE private information makes vaguely worded statements as she is literally having an (intentionally incited) public meltdown, literally the entire reason the stream was lined up with her stream was to make her say things that nijiniggers like YOU could take out of context and repeat ad infinitum even after doki calmed down and clarified with an ACTUAL official statement
>If Selen said she was in the hospital the day after Niji said they spoke to her emergency contact
See above, SELEN never said she was in the hospital for "an accident", managers skinwalking her account while she was in the hospital for her SUICIDE ATTEMPT did it after they locked her out of her accounts because they couldn't illegally hound her at the hospital when her emergency contact told them to fuck off
>Retarded monkey can't read a timeline and doesn't think the first thing Niji did was tell her to explain what happened
Retarded monkey can't read a timeline and doesn't realize the first thing niji did WHILE THEIR TALENT WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR A SUICIDE ATTEMPT was to badger her to fall on the sword and blame herself YET A FUCKING GAIN for shit that was their fault... HMMMMMMMMM, Inbred corporate bootlicking third world sub-human mongoloid with 0 consideration for human life and not a shred of empathy if your filthy seanigger body
>It's a good thing they actually said "This girl has threatened to publicly accuse me of harassment if I don't do what she says"
"GUYS THIS GIRL IS GONNA ACCUSE ME OF RAPE DON'T BELIEVE HER I DIDN'T RAPE HER AND MY FRIENDS TOTALLY DIDN'T HOLD HER DOWN AND GROPE HER SHE IS GONNA SAY WE DID BUT WE DIDN'T YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE US GUYS!!!" saying that kind of shit UNPROMPTED when she was missing for 2 months and people were begging for an update as to her wellbeing...PROBABLY ISN'T THE SMARTEST THING TO FUCKING DO YOU SHIT EATING RETARD MONKEY
>She brought in lawyers
To negotiate herself out of the contract
>threatened legal action multiple times
she never threatened anyone a single time
>And pussied out every time
Can't pussy out when you never had any intentions of doing it, But certainly NIJI pussied out when they refused to go after her for "slander" after realizing they didn't have any kind of a case in canada
>She's a pathetic coward
But enough about elira
>Didn't bother reading anything else
Well that's a shame cause you missed the part where ELIRA LITERALLY PERSONALLY INCRIMINATED HERSELF, ENNA, AND MILLIE WITHOUT A N Y O N E EVER SAYING THEIR NAMES BEFORE

>>79043701
>A mistake borne of miscommunication
Which proves she is incompetent
>then that means management isn't asking the right questions
Or that Selen should fucking update the people who are supposed to check the work on HER project on what the fuck she's doing instead of waiting to be asked. Do you usually wait for your boss to ask you if something is ready or do you tell him that it's ready when it is?
>there's something called "credibility" and it's built on consistency in character and action
Retarded argument. No one has bothered showing any evidence of anything and I don't trust one sided stories. I don't believe in shit just because someone is famous and well liked. You may be stupid and think because someone is well liked that they're innocent but smart people don't
>If you can't figure out what she brought to the table
She brought nothing but internal issues to the table as she tore through three different managers
>That Neopets stream you mentioned?
Yes , that's the one where she says the members there are lying criminals. Then immediately takes it back after a couple hours.
>Anyone who brings up the BPD as a counter is also pretty retarded because it means that Nijisanji and its talents willingly enacted malice and negligence on someone with a mental illness
Or that there was no malice because her BPD ridden mind doesn't operate on logic and rationality. Kind of like how if a schizophrenic tries to attack me for being a fed and I knock him out, that it wasn't me assaulting someone for being a schizophrenic
>The optics of doing what they did to an alleged suicide attempt survivor is horrid beyond belief.
So I can't defend my reputation if the accuser said they attempted suicide. Take a swan dive off a building. Your retarded twisting of what happened of "crocodile tears" and "laughing" prove you're as objective as the average brain washed faggot.
>Innocent until proven guilty is ideal. But unfortunately, Nijisanji and Anycolor have not proven they deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt.
That's not how it fucking works, you retard. You don't pick and choose when "innocent until proven guilty" applies, you actual ape. There's no evidence that what Selen was spewing out of her ass happened so unless she can prove it, it will be assumed it didn't happen

>>79044525
The universe where holosisters shit up the board is this one. /nijien/ and associated threads are basically fucking dead but somehow deranged retards think they're behind every single shitpost on this board despite it being the exact same terrible posts it's always been ever since the board got lax about numberfaggotry and twitter drama

>>79044028
kill nijibugs

>>79024287
anon they are that cheap

>>79045210
>Continues to insist SELEN MUST HAVE BEEN AT FAULT because their glucking of riku's cock can N E V E R let them admit they might even possibly be in the wrong, Despite a proven history of being in the wrong in dozens upon dozens of other cases with other ex-organs
It truly is amazing how you can type so much while saying the exact same worthless shit that's been picked apart and debunked endlessly, You truly must be a sister to put THIS much effort into nothing.. why don't you just kill yourself already?

>>79044312

>>79045372
Which is funny because riku being an asshole has always been known especially after what he did with yumenographi which was honestly far worse than what happened to selen

>>79045210
>NO EVIDENCE NO EVIDENCE NO EVIDENCE
>TAKE NIJI'S WORD FOR EVERYTHING THEY'VE NEVER LIED BEFORE THEY'VE NEVER LIED BEFORE THEY'VE NEVER LIED BEFORE
>VOX IS TRUSTWORTHY DESPITE NO EVIDENCE AND CROPPED SCREENSHOTS PROVING WE FUCKED UP REEEEE
>ELIRA IS TRUSTWORTHY DESPITE NEVER SHOWING US THE DOCUMENT SHE IS PULLING DETAILS OUT OF REEEEE
You are a parody, surely nobody is that stupid

>>79045210
The way you structure your answers is intriguing because you point out truths as long as they are convenient for poking holes in another person's attempt at argumentation. You don't actually care about any of this. It doens't matter to you. You just want to point out the flaws in the other side because you think it's good for a few minutes of fun since you feel smarter for saying so. You're just going to cry in another thread about "mindless dokifag drones sucking her off". All I've heard is pointing the finger at one side, and probably because you're mentally geared against playing defense for Doki and people singing her praises because "niji bad" and you like being contrarian.

Where do you even stand, anon? Do you think Nijisanji is more believable in this? Or are you just one of those unprincipled, retarded faggots who just wants to bait (you)s for an argument with no clear answer? You're free to doubt Doki. You're even free to hate her for all the dragoons care. But you reek of the "ha gotcha" ego and nothing else.

There's validity in the flaws you highlight and the holes you poke in other's arguments. After all, the world will never know the truth. But you're not special or intelligent for doubting one side's opinion over the other. But at least I, and some other anons, can admit there's flaws and unanswered questions in Doki's story. But if I had to pick between one or the other, I'd pick her side 100%. Niji doesn't deserve life after everything they've done, and its talents endorse them by continuing to act in their interest.

>>79045638
Gonna assume you're clowning on the anon I'm arguing with and not me because you're emphasizing my point, just in a language easier for manchildren to read

>>79011240
Cool but she's pissing away her money. I think something like a 3D debut or concert would've been more justified

>>79045468

>>79045203
You didn't answer my question and why she didn't hover manage the artists like you wanted Niji to do with her
>The same termination notice that admits to skinwalking her account while she is in hospital?
Never happened, faggot. Keep on coping and rrating. Kuro went off on a dramafaggot BECAUSE they said that Niji didn't ask for his permission to do the AR live. Don't be a retard even though I know you are
>THEIR FAULT FOR NOT ASKING ABOUT IT
You mean it's Selen's fault for not telling them about something they don't know exists
>that she WOULDN'T be super anal about getting perms
Clearly she wasn't otherwise she wouldn't have had a meltdown over perms again
>Good thing nobody was calling any of the organs lying criminals!
Might want to rewatch that VOD, faggoon. She accuses them of lying and breaking the law
>Dramafaggots speculating on who could be harassing her was very much minimal
What a fucking cope
>NOOOO Don't analyze what the fuck she said in the Neopets stream!!!! She was nervous! AIIIIIEEEEE
Fuck off. The bitch threatened to publish it online for everyone to see, isn't the first time too.
>managers skinwalking her account
Proof it was managers and not her giving back access to her accounts when she was in the hospital?
>when she was missing for 2 months
LMAO. Are you genuinely retarded? She was already giving updates on herself already. And saying "She threatened to ruin my reputation by accusing me of rape" shouldn't make anyone think you're a rapist unless you have a fucking hate boner for the guy being accused.
>To negotiate herself out of the contract
Proof? Because Nijisanji said anyone can leave whenever they want
>she never threatened anyone a single time
Memoryholing Neopets again??? Or the legal notice Nijisanji gave where they said she threatened multiple members with legal action multiple times
>Can't pussy out when you never had any intentions of doing it,
Keep on pretending like the words "I have receipts, it's a shame I'll have to make them public" isn't what she said. Show me the evidence that she was actually harassed or shut the fuck up . Don't bring up the black stream on loop like it's actual evidence of harassment

>>79045936
I'm very much clowning on YOU for taking niggersanji's side despite them having no "proof" of selen threatening them behind the scenes with blackmail or legal action, as doki herself has stated she had no intentions of doing so publicly, You automatically assume doki is some BPD retard who can't string anything together by herself despite all the evidence to the contrary, You believe nijisanji is always telling the truth and flawless and honest despite years of evidence to the contrary, You insist upon looking at this in a vacuum and your only "evidence" that doki is a liar is her "BPD" while at the same time ignoring Vox's "C-PTSD" and nijisanji's history of mismanagement and lying and legal failings in fucking japan, I am VERY MUCH clowning on you for taking niji's side "without proof" while simultaneously painting doki as this big evil villain "without proof"

>>79046179
Oh lmao I'm not the anon arguing in bad faith and taking Niji's side. I was criticizing them and thought you tagged my message mb anon carry on

>>79025369
The true China

>Verification not required.

Can you faggots go one thread without falling for a fucking dramanigger bait?

>>79045638
>Take Niji's word
Yes, I would usually take the word of someone's boss and all their co-workers over their one, especially when they actually bother showing evidence. The only one preventing the document being shown to the public is Selen. Why doesn't she just post it already? She doesn't intend on going to court so how come she won't post it?

>>79046472
No one actually cared about whether she broke the rules at that point. Everyone was more concerned with why she hadn't been reassuring or responding to her fanbase for nearly a month, along with a sudden absence from a convention she was slated to visit. By the time February rolled around, even other content creators were getting in on the question of whether she was genuinely okay.

The fact Niji chose to address "she broke the rules" at a time when people wanted to know if she was "alive and well" says a lot about where the corpo's priorities lie. They're a billion dollar corpo and they can't pay someone to read the room properly LMAO

>>79046073
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>>79045881
It isn't just poking holes, it's just basic analysis that tears the entire narrative apart. Nijisanji is way more believable than a single person with a lying streak since they actually are the only ones posting any kind of evidence and divulge the most information. So keep on running your hate campaign without ever actually knowing if the people you're harassing are actually innocent or not. Hope you like that one way ticket to hell

>>79046171
>Never happened
"On December 26th, Selen Tatsuki posted a music video [...] Selen Tatsuki took to social media to make misleading statements [...] The decision was made to temporarily remove her access to various social media accounts."

So who made these tweets, faggot?

>>79046694
They talked about her breaking the rules because she was getting fucking fired. They explained what the hell she was doing in the very same tweet. Maybe read the room as to why they talked about her getting fired and why she wasn't on her Niji accounts during?

>>79046171
>You didn't answer my question and why she didn't hover manage the artists like you wanted Niji to do with her
I did actually!, I told you she was lied to and told the stream would be ready on time when it wasn't, and she was only informed at the LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT by her team that it wasn't ready despite being assured that would be
>Never happened, faggot. Keep on coping and rrating.
Except that is literally the fucking timeframe of her being in the hospital and them saying they took away her access to her accounts?, Because they tried to contact her and her emergency contact told them to fuck off because she was in the hospital for her suicide attempt
>You mean it's Selen's fault for not telling them about something they don't know exists
>Nijisanji managers were never told about selen's swansong project, Her biggest and probably final project that she poured tens of thousands of dollars into, selen just... never told them despite being fucked over by perms before again and again because she is a drooling menhera retard that expects to get her way despite never getting her way
Is that really... REALLY what you are expecting me to believe despite literally everyone who has ever worked with dokibird professionally saying the exact opposite about her attention to detail and work ethic?, Do you REALLY expect me to believe nijisanji after roa?, after chihiiro?, after lulu?, after zaion?, after nijiKR???? as if niji exists in a vacuum where they were always right and never wrong or fucked up???, but we can pretend BPD BPD BPD means doki is GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY despite no hard concrete evidence she even HAS it?, as opposed to the concrete evidence we have of nijisanji's previous fuckups that line up perfectly with what selen was saying????
>NOOOOO SHE WAS TOTALLY OF SOUND MIND WHILE BEING OVERLAPPED, SHE MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN UNDER OATH TOO!!!
everything you have to say about the neopets stream is by design, it's the entire reason they overlapped her afterall, To get her to say things that incriminate her and get her in trouble that shit eating fucktards like you can use and repeat despite her clarifying she wasn't in a right state of mind and didn't know the full details, hence her contacting her lawyer before publishing her official fucking statement on the matter... jesus christ kill yourself already you worthless sea ape
>Organs were HARASSED FROM THE SECOND DOKI MADE HER TWEET REEEE
they were harassed because of the contents of the termination letter attacking and accusing doki of being a lazy bitch, when everyone who had ever met her and worked with her said otherwise, only inbred nijinigger mongoloids like you believe a single word of that termination letter as fact or genuine
>Proof it was managers and not her giving back access to her accounts when she was in the hospital?
I assume you mean "proof it was managers not giving her back access to her accounts when she was in the hospital?" To which i say... SHE WAS IN THE FUCKING HOSPITAL???, AND THEY COULDN'T CONTACT HER CAUSE HER CONTACT TOLD THEM TO FUCK OFF???, AND THEY ADMITTED TO LOCKING HER OUT A F T E R THEY TALKED TO HER????, AND SHE DIDN'T GET IT BACK UNTIL SHE LEFT THE HOSPITAL ON THE 31ST WHEN SHE MADE HER FIRST TWEET ON HER DOKI ACCOUNT????, FOR FUCKS SAKE WHY ARE YOU SO BRAINDEAD RETARDED?????
>LMAO. Are you genuinely retarded? She was already giving updates on herself already.
She had gone fully radio silent for weeks at a time, had posted nothing on her selen account since the 31st, and stopped updating people through the cryptic steam status that like 5 people /here/ knew about until after the fact when it spread around, she was fucking vanished, trying to memoryhole #whereisselen and the impact that had on people's response to her termination is only making you look more disingenuous and retarded
>Proof? Because Nijisanji said anyone can leave whenever they want
You are a troll, You know that isn't true, The contract proves it isn't true, You have to be a troll
>Memoryholing Neopets again???
Memoryholing her hyperventilating and panicking out of her mind again?, she wasn't under oath you shit eating retard and her official statement retracted all the shit she said in a panic, a panic deliberately incited by the black box stream which is why the entire fucking western world turned against nijisanji cause we could literally watch in real time them fucking with her and causing her to break down again, i know emotionless sub-human seaniggers like you have no concept of empathy but try to imagine it for a second
>Or the legal notice Nijisanji gave where they said she threatened multiple members with legal action multiple times
You mean the termination notice already proven to be full of lies?, Released by a corporation with a history of lying?, Yeah anyone with half a braincell wipes their ass with that while entire termination notice
>"I have receipts,it's a shame I'll have to make them public"
She never said that nijinigger

>>79046868
Considering the overwhelming number of people who have interacted with Niji (and Anycolor in general) that have only negative things to say about it (even before the Selen situation) and the overwhelming number of people who have only good things to say about Doki - I think I'll side with the overwhelming majority. Sorry that most people don't worship companies like you clearly do in whatever shithole you're from.

>>79046925
She did, retard. They gave her back access when she was in the hospital so she could update the fans. That's why Elira and the rest even knew she was in the hospital

>>79047140
Not this bs again.

>>79047140
Except at no stage do they mention giving her access to the accounts after this point. You're grasping at straws.

>>79046472
>Yes, I would usually take the word of someone's boss and all their co-workers over their one
ALL THEIR CO-WORKERS?, Oh you mean the ones who had their jobs held hostage and needed to tow the company line otherwise they were next?, And the same boss that harassed and dressed down that one artist?, the one that fucked up the roa case?, the boss of the company that fucked up chihiiro and lulu and all of niji/ID/IN/KR?, The one that fucked over mysta's and mika's taxes?, the one that fucked over pomu?, the company kyo said was a nightmare?, THAT COMPANY?, The one that demonized zaion with a bunch of petty and disproven bullshit?, Yeah okay fucktard

Time-loop week guys, we're back to feb 5th days

>>79046868
>Nijisanji is way more believable than a single person with a lying streak
>A single person with a lying streak
>A S I N G L E P E R S O N W I T H A L Y I N G S T R E A K
Selen never lied about anything in her career, prove where she lied, literally give one example of her fucking lying you shit eating worthless mongoloid, also keep memoryholing every other ex employee that ever worked for nijisanji, every artist, every contractor, every ex talent, the roa case, zaion, all of it, none of that happened in your world right????

Oh, hello.

>>79046171
>>79047140
I think dramafags are worse than nijisisters desu. At least the sisters actually believe in what they're saying (as deluded as it is); they're trying to defend something worthwhile in their eyes. Dramafags like this type out paragraph after paragraph just for getting a (You) on fucking /vt/. What a life.

Everyone sing along with me
LETS DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN

>>79011240
She just keeps collecting W's.

>>79047235
They also say they didn’t restrict access until AFTER an agreement could not be made. So unless Niji gave up after 1 phone call then she could have still retained access to her accounts until after those tweets.

>>79046868
>Nijisanji is way more believable than a
Okay sure I'm listenin-
>single person with a lying streak
lost me

Bro really said "basic analysis that tears the narrative apart" like he's LARPing CIS.

Nijisanji is "more believable" than a single person, the same corpo that hired someone who publicly voiced his intent to rape a female talent before PASSING THE AUDITIONS and let their entire Korean branch die because they hired bullies whose behavior can be described as actual physical torture with intent to permanently disfigure. If you're asking me to give the benefit of the doubt to a company that can't even screen these people out properly, then I apologize for being rational.

You're right, we don't know if the current talents are innocent or not. And we're never going to know that answer until we find out more. But the world has decided the truth and the fact Niji refuses to engage in open discourse despite seeing the failure of their own actions is all the evidence I need to see they cannot even equip their own talents with the knowledge and skills necessary to defend themselves from public backlash. I'd gladly go to hell if passage into heaven mandated trusting Niji as they are. Seeing a breadcrumb trail leading to a box and then saying "we don't know what's in the box" before opening it is true, on a surface level. But how many more clues and "explicit clues" do you want before you can see it for what it is?

The answer is none, because you choose to defend Nijisanji in a vacuum. The things you say are correct on a surface level but you don't even care to look back at the past transgressions. Anyone who signs off on public abhorrent behavior has no right to complain about getting hate. If you talk shit, you get shit talked to you. That's how life works. Fuck around -> find out.

If Doki lied all this time and we find out the future, she's gonna find out. But damn, Niji's gonna have a hell of a time getting people to believe them now, after months of sitting on their ass instead of defending themselves effectively.

>>79047694
An agreement could not be made because she could not be reached because SHE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR HER SUICIDE ATTEMPT, it's the entire fucking reason they attempted to contact her through her EMERGENCY CONTACT, why would they need to talk to an EMERGENCY CONTACT if they could talk to her directly?

>>79025245
Hong Konger. There is a difference.

>>79047117
Oh, so it's never her fault and she's actually a great manager that never decided to check on how much progress the project did? Interesting
>that is literally the fucking timeframe of her being in the hospital and them saying they took away her access to her accounts?
They said they talked to the contact the day before she went to the hospital, retard. She didn't even go to the hospital yet, faggot. And obviously they'd be more willing to give her the account back if she was in the hospital
>despite literally everyone who has ever worked with dokibird professionally saying the exact opposite about her attention to detail and work ethic?
Selen herself said she was a bitch to her manager and went through three of them. Don't trust Selen now, I guess
>To get her to say things that incriminate her
Actually fucking schizophrenic. Just throw out whatever facts are inconvenient because the footage of her admitting to wanting to post the document makes her look bad
>To which i say... SHE WAS IN THE FUCKING HOSPITAL??
And Doki said she made sure that the people in Niji knew what happened to her. And Elira also said Selen personally let the members know. Are you, maybe, full of shit?
>trying to memoryhole #whereisselen and the impact that had on people's response to her termination is only making you look more disingenuous and retarded
That was a retarded concern fagging movement. The termination notice pretty much cleared up that she was gone because she was in the process of self destructing and getting fired
>The contract proves it isn't true, You have to be a troll
The contract doesn't say anything about not being able to leave it whenever you want, retard. Yugo immediately graduating proves people can just immediately quit.
>NOOOO, forget all the incriminating shit she said in the Neopets stream! She was panicking!!! She took it back the day after!
No, I don't think I will forget her admitting to wanting to publish the evidence and her accusing the members of commiting a crime without actually checking if they did or not.
>You mean the termination notice already proven to be full of lies?
What lies? You mean artists pretending like she's innocent while they're ignorant to the fact Selen was always supposed to pay them? Retarded faggot, show the evidence of actual harassment

>>79047235
Yeah, because they only gave her back access because she was in the hospital which is something they deliberately avoided talking about. Use your fucking head

>>79047806
Easy there buckoo, I’m on your side here. All I’m saying is that it’s total possible that Selen made those tweets herself because we simply do not know when Niji took her access away. I don’t believe any skin walking took place because, as far as I’m aware, there has been no other evidence of members being skin walked.

>>79048225
NTA but
>Yugo immediately graduating proves people can just immediately quit
Bro doesn't know how long Mysta had to wait

>>79048064
Hong Konger who moved to Canada during the transition at that.

>>79047400
Cute orca, I hope she goes far.

>>79047396
>Selen never lied about anything in her career, prove where she lied
Her parents. Apparently her BPD. The Fall Guys tournament. The voice pack tweet. Not being able to hire help.

>>79048225
>Oh, so it's never her fault and she's actually a great manager that never decided to check on how much progress the project did? Interesting
You keep missing the part where she DID fucking check and was lied to, interesting
>They said they talked to the contact the day before she went to the hospital
????? Why would they be talking to her emergency contact the day BEFORE she went to the hospital?.. you mean the same day she said to reupload her cover?, Why would they talk to her emergency contact when she isn't in the fucking hospital????
>She didn't even go to the hospital yet, faggot.
You need to get your brain checked, Then again i am 99% sure you are a troll with 0 actual points just rehashing shit you remembered from old archived threads by actual sisters so i won't even bother to respond to the rest of your inbred fucktardestry because it's literally all the same shit timelooped again and again and again, I skimmed through the rest of your posts and i am sorry to say anon but your bait became way too obvious.. i'm sorry for wearing you down to the point you couldn't be subtle about just being a troll, Better luck next time with your LARP

>>79048600
>prove
>doesn't
Lel

>>79048523
I went to school with a Hong Konger who's family moved to the UK during handover and to say they fucking hate the PRC with a passion is an understatement.

>>79038559
>he thinks Canada is an ethnostate

>>79047774
>If you're asking me to give the benefit of the doubt to a company that can't even screen these people out properly
Notice how that has nothing to do with the ability to tell the truth? No one needs a benefit of the doubt, the standard should always be "innocent until proven guilty".
>But the world has decided the truth
Actual retard. There is no such thing as a decided truth. There is a narrative you cling to and that's it. Since we don't know the truth, there should be no retarded attempts at "vengeance" made through harassing other people. You're just another retard looking for reasons to fabricate bullshit about others. If you want to make believe that everything is as simple as "Niji bad" because your brain can't handle your illusion being shattered, then tough luck

>>79048600
>Her parents
????? i don't care to be a dox nigger like you
>Apparently her BPD
Oh no! a singular lie 5 years ago when she was a dumb teenage girl on twitter proves she is a proven liar
>The Fall Guys tournament
Where was the lie????, She had perms to host it but not perms to invite nijiJP members, She was told she could host a domestic tournament and was blackballed from hosting future international ones (She didn't host the apex tournament with holos/TSB, The homos did)
>The Voice Pack Tweet
Where is the lie?????
>Not being able to hire help.
I assume you are referring to raziel.. she wasn't officially hired and luca literally broke contract to work with her but because he is the golden child he is allowed to outright break the terms of contract without punishment, he said so to her himself that if niji found out he'd be in trouble (even he didn't know just how much he could get away with)

>>79011240
This is how she spent 200k in earnings in one year.

>>79048452
Mysta had projects stacked onto each other for his graduation which is why he had to wait out of his own volition. Yugo just bailed and was immediately let out

>>79049027
> she wasn't officially hired and luca literally broke contract to work with her
Nta, but didn’t she sign an nda? That would mean niji at the very least knew about her working with Luca, right?

>>79049019
>Notice how that has nothing to do with the ability to tell the truth?
It shows dishonesty and a willingness to put the company ahead of the wellbeing of the employees and talents working for them, It is literally evidence of them being malignant and untrustworthy
>No one needs a benefit of the doubt
Then why are you so obsessed with giving it to niji?
>the standard should always be "innocent until proven guilty".
They proved it in the termination notice full of proven lies, and the black box stream where they gave doki a panic attack deliberately in real time in front of the entire world, They are guilty and the proof is up on elira pendora's channel forever
>Actual retard. There is no such thing as a decided truth
That is literally what history is you ACTUAL retard, History is written by the victors, That is literally all the "truth" is
>There is a narrative you cling to and that's it
Yes the narrative that niji did nothing wrong and the drooling retard menhera BPD grifterbird with 20000 IQ baited nijisanji into self immolating their branch with easily proven lies that they just decided never to disprove but only smarty smartypants like you and the other sisters could see through it!! (that was all sarcasm i know seaniggers have an issue with that so i had to point it out)
>Since we don't know the truth, there should be no retarded attempts at "vengeance" made through harassing other people.
The truth is up on elira pendora's channel, she deserves to be given the junko furuta treatment, as does every single nijinigger that still supports that company, you all deserve to be gutted and mutilated on liveleak

>>79049134
>Yugo just bailed
They hired a lawyer early so they didn't end up being selen'd/zaion'd with a slanderous termination, U-San was literally the person who TOLD doki to hire a fucking lawyer

>>79049308
she signed an NDA that luca gave her months after the fact, After bothering him till he sent her one, when she tried to contact niji directly she was ignored

>>79049027
>don't care to be a dox nigger like you
It was in her current twitter account,retard.
>a singular lie 5 years ago when she was a dumb teenage girl on twitter proves she is a proven liar
She was in her 20s, dumbass
>Where was the lie?
Sure, it wasn't a lie. She just left out every single piece of context as to why it was her fault then pinned it on management
>Where is the lie??
When she said that management made her miss the due date of the voice pack
>she wasn't officially hired and luca literally broke contract to work with her
Except that was officially proven to be bullshit when she showed that she did sign an NDA for Niji and that Nijisanji knew she was working for Luca

I've always been a casual watcher of selen/doki/niji pre-blackscreen. As someone who doesn't really have a dog in the fight, it's entertaining content. Please continue. I like remakes.

>>79049707
>It was in her current twitter account,retard.
Old news from years ago is applicable now because?
>She was in her 20s, dumbass
Oh so she is a hag?, BASED!
>Sure, it wasn't a lie. She just left out every single piece of context as to why it was her fault then pinned it on management
And this context exists where?.. oh the termination letter that also lied about her not paying artists and the other bullshit, ok
>When she said that management made her miss the due date of the voice pack
And you have proof that they didn't?
>Except that was officially proven to be bullshit when she showed that she did sign an NDA for Niji and that Nijisanji knew she was working for Luca
After the fact when she bugged luca enough to force niji to give her one after she had worked for him for months outside of contract (again golden boy can break any and all rules he wants)

>>79049364
How does hiring faggots then firing them for being retards prove untrustworthiness, dumbass? There is no proof they ever lied and the black box stream will never be harassment.
>History is written by the victors, That is literally all the "truth" is
Actual retard. The truth is what happened, not what people say is what happened. You're not worth the air you breathe

>>79049991
>How does hiring faggots then firing them for being retards prove untrustworthiness, dumbass?
Their shit was public before being hired and they only fired him when it got out publicly?, Also ignoring the other points about the Roa case and NijiKR btw
>Actual retard. The truth is what happened, not what people say is what happened. You're not worth the air you breathe
The truth is whatever the public believes, that is the practical definition of the truth, Whatever the history books say is what happened, Even if it didn't happen, It is all that practically mattered, If niji wanted doki buried as this BPD menhera liar, They should have done... literally anything except what they actually did, If they really ARE telling all the truths they still deserve to die out because of how fucking worthless and inept they are at being outmaneuvered by this supposed BPD retard

>>79049946
>Old news from years ago is applicable now because?
Because she accused her parents of being horrible, abusive stalkers who would beat her and harass her then proceeded to just pretend like she didn't say that.
>And this context exists where?.
https://youtu.be/_G_G8mF4FVM?si=Tum7yN4OFxJPkFxE
>termination letter that also lied about her not paying artists
There was no lie, the artists coming out complaining about not getting paid on time proved she didn't pay artists on time
>And you have proof that they didn't?
Yeah,Selen saying that it was actually her fault she didn't reach the due date
>After the fact when she bugged luca enough to force niji to give her one
Nice rrat that's proven false when you realize that she was already credited for her work since the start and had an NDA the entire time proving Nijisanji was aware of her

>>79049991
>the truth is what happened, not what people say is what happened
You know something? You should be correct, actually! Props to you for figuring that shit out! Unfortunately, life doesn't work out that way. When enough people decide A is the truth instead of B, then people will remember A instead of B as the truth. And we get to the meat and potatoes!

What "actually happened" doesn't matter. It's "what people believe actually happened" that matters. Whether something is truth or lie doesn't matter if it doesn't reach someone's ears.

"If a tree fell in a forest and no one was around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

Science tells us the answer is yes, it obviously did make a sound. This is truth as dictated by science. But if there's no one around to prove it did, then the "truth" is no longer truth. It's "what's supposed to be true". But "what's supposed to be true" and the actual truth can have incongruencies, and they are indicative of your expectations as a human being.

And this exchange has informed the board you don't understand this, you don't care to try, and thus your opinion is meaningless.

>>79049991
>There is no proof they ever lied
They lied about selen not paying artists, They had vox lie about selen saying she was threatened with termination in the black box stream when the termination notice literally said they threatened to terminate her, They lied about her threatening to sue them, they lied about her having elira,enna, and millie's addresses in her private HR complaint document, They lied about being able to quit at anytime, they lied about asking for playbuttons, They lied about literally everything in zaion's termination from the year before, Not even going into everything they lied about in JP cases

>>79050181
NijiKR and the Roa case is the same as it has no bearings on whether or not Niji is telling the truth
>>79050460
Well then. To make sure we know what actually happened, we should be trying to figure out what actually happened instead of just pretending like we know everything already like a bunch of fucking clowns, no?

>>79050640
Meet the Tazumis

>>79050420
>Because she accused her parents of being horrible, abusive stalkers who would beat her and harass her then proceeded to just pretend like she didn't say that.
Maybe they were and they just changed and to keep the peace with her family, her CHINESE PARENTS THAT SHE IS LIVING WITH, She had to let it go?, I take it you've never lived in an abusive household
>https://youtu.be/_G_G8mF4FVM?si=Tum7yN4OFxJPkFxE
Uh... none of this is her lying?.. inbred retard???
>There was no lie, the artists coming out complaining about not getting paid on time proved she didn't pay artists on time
Except it was niji manager's jobs to get the NDAs out and they never did and she wasn't allowed to pay them until they went out but since they never did she broke contract to pay them out of her personal accounts instead of her selen tatsuki account?, again no lie here you worthless shit eating fucktard
>Yeah,Selen saying that it was actually her fault she didn't reach the due date
After being threatened with her job she towed the line and fell on the sword for niggersanji as she kept doing even when it was actually their fault as management is proven to be worthless dribbling ESL shitters as confirmed by....LITERALLY EVERY OTHER EX NIJI IN EXISTENCE
>Nice rrat that's proven false when you realize that she was already credited for her work since the start
she was credited for luca's debut.. hired only for that, She was not hired to skinwalk his minecraft and draw his fucking autographs you stupid seanigger

>>79050640
>They lied about selen not paying artists
Except they said she paid artists late and she did
>They had vox lie about selen saying she was threatened with termination in the black box stream
She wasn't though. They only told her to make the tweet and she could go back to being her usual retarded self
>They lied about her threatening to sue them
Proof? Prove it was an Hr document too while you're at it
>They lied about being able to quit at anytime, they lied about asking for playbuttons
Proof?
>They lied about literally everything in zaion's termination from the year before
She literally admitted to doing everything that they said

>>79050780
>NijiKR and the Roa case is the same as it has no bearings on whether or not Niji is telling the truth
None of niji's proven wrongdoings are relevant because... well THEY JUST AREN'T OKAY!. THEY ARE TOTALLY TRUSTWORTHY AND HONEST ABOUT LITERALLY ALL OF THEIR DEALINGS!!!.. BECAUSE.... *riku cock glucking noises*
>Well then. To make sure we know what actually happened, we should be trying to figure out what actually happened instead of just pretending like we know everything already like a bunch of fucking clowns, no?
Nobody, fucking, cares, History is already written, The black box stream is proof of harassment plain as fucking day, Everyone in the west already knows niggersanji is worthless trash and the organs are shit eating bullies, You can't prove selen "lied" without showing that document or posting discord logs and voice chat recordings definitively proving they were nothing but friendly and patient with her.. which niji refuses to do, THEY should have all the proof of their innocence soo... where is it?

>>79050780
You know we can't do that, anon. The only way we get a definitive answer is first-party confession. Since Doki has willfully disengaged from the conversation and Nijisanji adamantly insists they are in the right despite the world believing otherwise, we will remain locked in this perpetual state of "erm. ackshually-" until one of two things happens.

1. Something forces Niji's hand.
2. Niji forces Doki's hand.

Does that mean this discussion was ultimately meaningless? Maybe. I found it funny for a few minutes of my life, that's all it is to me. You were never going to convince me or anyone in this thread without some hard evidence I haven't heard in all the months since February. I've doubted Niji and I've doubted Doki. But I've chosen where to lay my trust: with a bird that spends thousands of dollars on projects because she feels like it instead of a company that shills merch on the main corpo account after the biggest termination of its branch.

I don't mind a pathological skeptic. Keep being you, anon.

>>79051090
>Except they said she paid artists late and she did
They said she NEVER paid artists, Not that she paid them late, that's the lie
>She wasn't though. They only told her to make the tweet and she could go back to being her usual retarded self
"Please fall on the sword and make yourself look like a worthless loser retard to cover for our nonexistent ESL management or we'll fucking terminate you and take 50% of your last 6 month's earnings + everything you used while working for us" Yeah totally a fair deal inbred
>Proof? Prove it was an Hr document too while you're at it
The fact doki never sued them, The fact her lawyer's were hired to negotiate an end to her contract and not for any lawsuits, The fact that the document was signed to be private and kept between the company and doki with no other parties involved
>Proof?
Mysta and pomu and mika all saying during their graduations that they had to put in their notices 6 months prior, The contract saying you are automatically signed for a year if you do ANY activity under the character you play within the renewal period even if you were ordered to do said activity?, The fact the contract breaking costs are so beyond steep that nobody can realistically pay it without fucking themselves over financially on the way out, keeping them in the queue until the 6 month notice is up, Also the fact that literally no single nijisanji organ has ever once received their playbuttons and how JP organs have said they simply are not allowed to have them in the past
>She literally admitted to doing everything that they said
She literally never did

>>79050962
>She had to let it go?
It's amazing how evil people who stalk their daughter, beat her up and kick around her dog for fun changed in the span of a single year. If she had to let it go, she'd have moved away like she said. But she didn't. It's pretty obvious she lied about her parents
>None of this is her lying
It's her explaining the context of why she can't host tournaments though. Like you asked
> it was niji manager's jobs to get the NDAs out and they never did
Proof? Because it's the member's project, they send the papers. The Selen account IS HER account, not Nijis.
>Ignore Selen admitting she's a retard
Classic
>she was credited for luca's debut.. hired only for that
Except she was credited more than once and Nijisanji said they were aware of her. You're gonna still claim that it was behind Niji's back when they literally sent her a letter basically saying "We knew about all of it, stop fucking lying"

>>79051325
>1. Something forces Niji's hand.
>2. Niji forces Doki's hand.

There's a third possibility. I am convinced when one of the bitch trio Selen named in her legal notice to the company graduates, we will get a document drop from them with a name like "My Truth" which will be an attempt to clear their names and blame everything on Doki.

I'm convinced and have been so for awhile that most of the Sisterposting on this board is from the remaining Livers and their circles of personal friends who simply can't drop it. Most of Niji EN are 3views now, so where else would these "Sisters" even be coming from?

>>79051718
>It's amazing how evil people who stalk their daughter, beat her up and kick around her dog for fun changed in the span of a single year. If she had to let it go, she'd have moved away like she said. But she didn't. It's pretty obvious she lied about her parents
Or it's pretty obvious you know nothing about abusive relationships, then again i am talking to a nijinigger so of course you don't
>It's her explaining the context of why she can't host tournaments though. Like you asked
I asked for proof of her lying, This ain't it retard
>Proof? Because it's the member's project, they send the papers. The Selen account IS HER account, not Nijis.
Nijisanji according to the contract owns everything under the name "selen tatsuki", Granted she was able to get her epic games stuff so who the fuck even knows i am willing to concede this one
>Ignore Selen admitting she's a retard
Assuming a woman under threat of losing her job and lifelong passion is being wholly honest and not just taking a public shamewalk to cover for her incompetent worthless highschool student managers
>Except she was credited more than once and Nijisanji said they were aware of her. You're gonna still claim that it was behind Niji's back when they literally sent her a letter basically saying "We knew about all of it, stop fucking lying"
That isn't what the letter said tho, Also, Proof she was credited for more than just his debut?, Again taking niggersanji at their word and giving them every benefit of the doubt because you are a worthless souless corporate cocksucking seanigger
I'm done dancing with you, Kill yourself or go back to making red woman bad baitthreads, enjoy your branch merge rotten cunt

>>79051734
Literally nobody in the western vtubing scene will give them the time of day, And if one of them dares to pull that stunt doki will be forced to respond with proof and they KNOW doki has the proof, All that will do is guarantee their eternal banishment from the internet and cause doki a day or two of grief at best

>>79051652
>Not that she paid them late
That's exactly what they said
>Admits to lying about Niji threatening to fire her
Cool. Doki not suing isn't proof she didn't threaten to. Some documents being agreed to be kept private isn't proof it's an HR document either
>they had to put in their notices 6 months prior
Wrong, they didn't say they had to. They said they did tell them about it in advance, never that it was required. The contract never says anything about not being able to exit the contract. Being renewed doesn't mean you can't leave. The contract breaking costs are only related to the damages you would cost them.
>Also the fact that literally no single nijisanji organ has ever once received their playbuttons
Reimu and Vezalius showed theirs.
>She literally never did
Go ahead and reread her document. Tell me how many times she says "I did this and I apologized" or "I did this but it's not that bad"

>>79052301
>Reimu and Vezalius showed theirs.
Reimu's was for her RM account and not her niji, which is why she posted it on her RM account
Bandage's was at the niji office, It wasn't at his house, It isn't his

>>79047417
IT'S JUST A JUMP TO THE LEFT

>>79052147
>it's pretty obvious you know nothing about abusive relationships
Funny how she had no proof her parents were actually abusive despite that being 10x easier to prove
>She admitted to being retarded because she was nervous
It's funny how every single time she incriminates herself is because she has the mental stability of a WW2 veteran.
>Also, Proof she was credited for more than just his debut?
Her own document, dumbass

>>79052552
>Reimu's was for her RM account and not her niji, which is why she posted it on her RM account
Why would she take a photo of her play button years after she got it with the name hidden for an inactive account?
>Bandage's was at the niji office, It wasn't at his house
Why would the other office photos be taken professionally and Vezalius' be taken in low quality, in front of a window, taken by him?

>>79052903
It's okay to be fans of them and also admit that Anycolor is giving them a shit deal. Ask them to take a photo of it outside of Japan, especially Anycolor Headquarters, thanks.

>>79052903
>Why would she take a photo of her play button years after she got it with the name hidden for an inactive account?
You're almost there, you're so close to actually understanding the truth and yet you still miss it. What is the obvious explanation for her posting a playbutton with the name hidden on her PL account? If it was the Reimu account playbutton, why wouldn't she post it on the Reimu twitter account with the name shown?

>>79011240
Diversify Doki! You can't reinvest all your money in your career. You have to diversify!