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>>768235
fucking schizo

>>789923
>the other person isnt interested.
While Calli's voice is breaking while confortin Kiara.

>>781510
Hey is there a thread on how Kiara wipes her ass yet?

>>789962
Not schizo, shut up.

>>790060
Yes you are fucking KFP schizo, >>775980
you are compulsively making Kiara threads

>>790098
I hate Kiara tho.

Imagine being mentally ill

>>790208
I mean all this is doing is putting more attention on her, so if that's your plan goodjob I guess.

>>789923

>>789923
>Don't forget, this is a one-sided ship where one person is extremely clingy, while the other really isn't interested.
>So its a dead ship in more ways than one, and the more Kiara pressures Calli, the more she's not going to want to be involved with it.
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>>789923
takamori fans already know that, faggot. We care about their friendship and like to see their fanart and lore.

>>790098
>>790136
>>790272
I wonder if the antis realize that they're probably creating more pro-KFP people and boosting her SC income by being obnoxious faggots on 4chan.

>>790136
Then why are you in this thread?

>>789923
Nice change of pace from retarded Gura or Nyanners thread

>>790567
>implying it isn't all a scheme to stir up dramafags (by dramafags no less)

>>789923
I don't think they are best friends or romantically inclined towards each other. But they are friends. Mori as a character or as a person is more private and doesn't publicly acknowledge touchy-feelsy stuff. A lot of tension, especially early on, seems to come from that. I used to think their collabs, maybe even their "let's talk about our vacation" streams were in some way planned by Cover, after watching a few more streams I can easily believe this is mostly them doing their own thing. Shut up, just shut up shut up.

>>789923
Friendly reminder that Calli HATES Kiara and has only gone on vacation with her twice because management FORCED her to. She was also forced to sing Wah Wah World with her and is absolutely livid about it! Furthermore she is forced to retweet takamori art and to talk about Kiara against her will almost every single stream, and was forced to dedicate one of her emotes solely to Kiara (something no other holo has ever done before!) Calliope Mori who has railed against the management on outside collabs and game permissions is FURIOUS about being forced to be Kiara's friend!

>>790719
OMG the HORROR #FreeCalli

>>790647
I'm sure that's how you convince to yourself for what the motivation is. I'm talking about the side effects of it that actually have some meaningful impact to the chuubas themselves.

>>790746
It's not like they were uninvolved in entertainment prior to Hololive. This isn't a shock for them.

This couple is cute. Fuck you OP.
t. Teamate

So, I hate Kiara but I'm going to pitch in here.

KFP members say the reason the ship does not work is because Calli does not know how to be a proper tsundere. You can see it in the way they interact with each other on stream. Kiara tries to be all lovey-dovey. And Calli's like "back the fuck away from me". It's supposed to be a trope that you've seen time and time again in anime but it's not being done right because Calli's too harsh in her rejections.

I didn't believe this at first but Calli is pretty fucking cringe on her own. It wouldn't surprise me if Calli had no clue how to play off the dynamic that Kiara is setting up.

>>791034
To me, it feels like Mori was forced into this by Kiara in order to yuribait like Noel and Flare, but contrary to other JP ships, this one is an industry plant and not organic so it feels forced and fake.

>>791034
You made one critical mistake: it's not a love story.

>>789923
TakaMori is a tsukkomi and boke routine. That it seems to have arisen naturalistically makes it even funnier.

>>791093

That could, very well, be the case. This is all only conjecture and I'm not sure what's happening behind the scenes. It looks like they're decent friends, going on vacations and stuff. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's all company mandated to ramp up numbers.

If that's the case, I hope Gen 2 doesn't have any forced ships like this.

>>791034
>Calli is tsun
Do people really?

>>791093
>>791205
Why are you guys so pessimistic? They're just girls having fun. Girls do this shit irl too, even in the western world, when they're in highschool and shit.
My least favourite thing about this board (and I just found it out today) is this constant stream of anons who keep saying "oh these girls actually hate each other" or "oh these girls actually hate their fans". You guys are overthinking it and/or projecting. Calli and Mori are coworkers who get along. They both play along with their little game, because they're girls and they're having fun. Not everything has to be inspected to the tiniest grain of detail.

Calli isn't tsun
It's called being straight and being on the end of unwanted homesexual advances

Personally, I think Kiara and Mori will mellow out (even more) in the future and have a close friendship - it's only been a few months since their debut, they're still very much stuck in their roles, even if they had massive impovements already. Look at some JPtubers: Are they still the same people with the same old act from when they started? Most of them aren't as far as I am concerned.

Give it some time and enjoy the ride.

>>791281

The ship looks contrived. Look, I don't want to be pessimistic. But take a look at Gura and Amelia. They're friends. It feels natural. It doesn't feel like they hate each other. You can watch them and tell they're pretty chill with each other. They're "coworkers who get along". "They're girls and they're having fun."

Look at any of the ships in HoloLive actually. Then look back at Takamori. You don't get the "they're friends and they're chilling with each other" vibe. It feels like Calliope's going through a lobotomy without anesthesia.

What I will say. Is that they've relaxed a bit. At the start, the ship was pretty hard to watch. But Calli's toned down quite a bit. And that's a positive.

>>791457
>they're a ship
Do ENs really?

>>791093
>NoeFure
That's forced too, they were literally put together by management because Flare had shit numbers at the start.

>>789923
>the more she's not going to want to be involved with it.
Must be why Calli keeps agreeing to do off-collabs and even did a one-week vacation with Kiara, and treated it like a bit of a Holo event.
Must also be why Calli keeps using ship fan art for her thumbnails with Kiara.

>>791457
>You don't get the "they're friends and they're chilling with each other" vibe.
Other than them chilling together in real life, sure. Fucking schizo need the rope.

>>791537
>Flare
Thanks for reminding me MsDeliciousThighs is streaming in 2 hours.

>>791457
>The ship looks contrived.
Because it isn't a ship. We enjoy Kiara's suffering, because that's the joke.

OP needs to calm down, it's an act that they have fun doing. Mori is obviously straight, has talked about what type of guy she likes and will never be romantically involved with a coworker of all things. The biggest shame is that the audience can't really clue in and will bring it up on their streams that isn't even about takamori. Their acting is a subjective matter but I think it sorta falls flat because Mori sucks at being dere but goes hard on being tsun. Kiara is a horny lesbian to play up the bottom left thing which for me makes her appear like a simpleton. There are times when they forget about these and just enjoy doing shit together which is ironically the main draw of why people like takamori

>>791620

Thank you.

This post said exactly what I wanted to say ( >>791304, >>791457) But in a less retarded way.

>>791620

Thank you.

This post said exactly what I wanted to say ( >>791034, >>791457) but in a less retarded way.

they basically spelled this shit out at debut and no one was paying attention
when moris being distant and cold that means shes in character

>>791620
Yeah, but just hear me out for a moment.
Imagine if Kiara actually broke through. Even if for just a moment. Maybe Calli was drunk that day. Or maybe it was a day of the month for her where her blood was pumping more. Or maybe it was just a matter of time. Whatever it is, imagine if Kiara actually broke through to Calli.
Do you know how many girls make out with each other in sleepover parties when they get drunk?
Just imagine. Just for one moment if Kiara broke through.
How crazy would that be?

>>791938
That would be rape, and their friendship together would be damaged beyond repair

>>791938

Curb your autism.

>>789923
They're undeniably close irl. The romantic aspect of the "realtionship" is a narrative built into their kayfabe.

>>791620
>and will never be romantically involved with a coworker of all things.
Hehe

>>791457
I always had the impression that most Holos just chill on Discord together and arrange most things themselves and just occasionally need to get a rubber stamp from management.

>>792155
There's no way to confirm it, but it is definitely how it reads.

>>791938
Writefags get on this

>>792200
Pretty sure they already did. Check AO3. Category 'Virtual Streamer Animated Characters'

>>791034
>Mori has literally acknowledged her character is a tsundere, so it's not really a rrat anymore

>>791034
I think it's just Calli always forgetting to pretend she hates Kiara. She'll still play along if Kiara very blatantly throws her something to be tsundere about. Hard to be tsukkomi without the pitch from the boke.

>Calli is pretty fucking cringe
Which is what makes her so wonderful.

Mori is way into the "character lore" side of Hololive, far moreso than any other ENs. Kiara is much lighter on this thing and treats the Phoenix thing as more of an inside joke that she occasionally refers to. The two of them developed a "character lore" relationship for their "characters" which was that Kiara was a clingy deredere who loved the death/rebirth cycle and Mori was an annoyed tsundere who was constantly rubbing the bridge of her nose every time Kiara popped up in the underworld. This is a funny concept in theory, you could see it being funny in a fictional story or an anime or something. Unfortunately, the live execution of this concept is pretty challenging when in Hololive there's a kind of "half real, half fiction" element to everything. It's all spontaneous roleplay, so that disparity of "these two are just friends who have good on-stream chemistry" (actual factual story) and "this is a one-sided relationship where Mori may or may not return Kiara's affection, but the point at any rate is supposed to be the comedic effect of the concept itself" (fictional/lore side) makes it hard to grasp either. And naturally, what Mori doesn't understand (she's unique among EN in this) is that fans find the real relationship way more interesting than the fictional one.

They're stuck with the lovey dovey thing, of course, but both of them just consider it a joke and play it up that way. If you actually watched Kiara's streams (which you don't) then you'd know Kiara always talks about Mori like a friend, she specifically says things like she's glad to have made friends, and worries about Mori being too unwilling to open up to her friends, or rely on them for emotional support, and so on. Unfortunately people who clip Kiara adore the Takamori thing so they will take every time she dotes on Mori out of context and explode its relevance, but there are times where Kiara has even had to ask her chat to stop talking about Mori because of rule #3.

I can't convince you to watch Kiara, and I don't even care if you do or don't, if you don't like her. She's an acquired taste, she's not for everyone, I get that. At least go and watch her debut stream and jump to the slide where she shows her "likes and dislikes." Did you notice that in her "dislikes" she listed "one-sided feelings"? They were setting up the Takamori thing from day 1. I honestly think it's clear that Mori and Kiara had talked about it behind the scenes and had the idea for the "comedy bit" but are just clumsily executing it and didn't anticipate that it was going to create a false apprehension that they don't actually get along, or that there's some actual unrequited romantic feeling involved.

>Gosling cope: the thread

>>793289
Why is she so cute?

>>791938
is this peak rrat autism?

>>789923
Mori is tsundere you fucking retard. That means she is interested but just doesn't show it.

Its all kayfabe anyway and organized behind the scenes.

>>795406
Mori can't really act tho, so what you get is mostly just the real her

>>793147
>They were setting up the Takamori thing from day 1.
Even clipwatchers know this unless they are outright deluding themselves like >>791093
Mori narrated Kiaras intro, her debut song had a reference to their dynamic, Kiaras stream referenced their dynamic. These are things set up long in advance. They always planned to be a tsundere pair of the rebirthing phoenix annoying the hell out of the workoholic reaper with her clingy-nature and also bringing out her gap moe at the same time. Thats the joke. That was always the joke. Calli does her part and Kiara does hers, the only "fake" part in all of this is the schizos here trying to read drama into all of their interactions that aren't perfect friendship because they refuse to understand this is a bit.
I'm gonna give you another one. Most likely the whole thing was Mori's idea and not Kiaras. Mori is a massive chuuni dork, has always been. This is the exact kind of shit she would find "cool", if you have ever paid attention to her music or prior streams.

>>789923
If we are talking about the characters, rather than the real life personalities behind them, then the ship is as solid as can be.
>Calli smiled as Kiara got closer when they slept together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLQQEs9hDdI
>Calli accepted Kiara's confession on valentine's day
>Calli and Kiara kissed
>Calli called Kiara her wife

>>795475
Did they know each other before or during the auditions? It honestly hadn't struck me for the longest time that they might have been friends already months before their debut, but now I find it hard to imagine otherwise. There was that one Marshmellow stream which started off with that long-ass japanese question about why Calli behaves so differently from when she collabs with other streamers, with Calli basically responding "you set boundaries depending on how forward your friends are, don't take this too personally" and "I am kinda shy about these things". The streamed felt kinda awkward for a while but they would have handled a genuine personal issue differently.
>This is the exact kind of shit she would find "cool", if you have ever paid attention to her music or prior streams.
I can believe that.
>>795474
How do you know this isn't an act? I don't think she presents a completely different character than what she is like herself (it is easier to put on an act you are familiar with), but she seems to think about her answers with some professional distance.

Am I going through a fucking time warp? This reads like a 4 month old thread with people repeating the same bullshit

>>796617
that's because nobody who makes these threads actually watches Kiara or Mori and is just repeating their stale 4 month old takes

>>790719
Based sarcasm poster

>>796134
>How do you know this isn't an act?
It's pretty easy to spot when her partner is basically a pro in roleplaying and acting. When Mori has to respond to Kiara with something that should be in-character, she fucks it up like half the time and comes of as rude and harsh. Why do you think there are still rrats about that they must hate each other? They're obviously good friends IRL, but she really can't act at least as a good tsundere. Honestly, they should have just dropped the whole act and be as they actually are. Also, if you do your roommate reps, it'll be clear that she was mostly the same even before.

https://youtu.be/sBNsmQ_sRaE The takamori act is supposed to be similar like this except these girls, especially mori suck a the kayfabe. When I look at Rushia and Marine, I see completely professional duo who obviously don't have any problems outside the acting and hololive. But with takamori, the acting can just be jarring at times that people would assume they hate each other or having sweaty sex at all times.

>>797651
>>797804
Pretty much. Mori does occasionally play a real tsundere where it's very obvious that she's just acting.
But most of the time she is just herself and uses her semi-schizoid real personality to shut down advances which comes off as mean and cold instead of "tsundere".

>>797804
It's funny, bc I unironically prefer Mori for her lack of acting and being mostly straightforward. It's pretty easy to tell when she's not honest.

>>797887
I guess it's 'cringekino'. But pretty sure majority of takamorifags actually buy completely into it. To each their own, since both come out with a tidy profit

>>796134
Yes, they were friends before debut. Kiara wanted to be friends since their first meeting, some time later, she and Mori went to a yakiniku place for the first time together and discovered they have similar taste in food. When they debuted, they went to yakiniku again to celebrate. She also says that the emotional support rhey gave each other during this time was very important.

>>796134
>It honestly hadn't struck me for the longest time that they might have been friends already months before their debut,
We have no reason to assume they knew eachother before applying to Hololive, but by all accounts they became friends pretty fast after the EN girls got introduced to eachother months before debut.

>>797879
I don't think the problem is when Mori acts cold. The problem is how some people in this place don't watch the streams and ignore everything else. Most people only watched the full EN collabs and those are the ones Kiara and Mori have the toughest time to play their dynamic, both because there is too much happening and because Mori gets shy. But you don't see people mentioning how Mori actually gets flustered at some things Kiara says or how she sets up dere moments too like "I have a sleeping bag, do you want me to share it with you?", "you're cute and fun and I like you" or like when she was jealous of Kiara and started throwing snowballs at her. Kiara was dense and didn't notice those moments until later, but everyone else outside of this place did and appreciates Mori's dere side. But even outside of that, we have a lot of good interaction and streams like the Minecraft collab with the spa date story, the Way Out collab where they had a lot of fun and they discovered some new dynamics between them, the "Pulling out worms out of your nose" zatsudan, the entire vacation and review, shrek watchalong and now the goodbye concert. Not only have their friendship developed and been built towards this moment, its clear how much they are comfortable with each other, how they understand one another and how they are having lots of fun with it. I will say it right now, no one outside of spic actually believes Takamori is real, we just like their friendship and to see them together even if playing as lovers, because they are having fun with it. Maybe if so many people in this place didn't want these girls to actually act like they were their girlfriend all the time it wouldn't be so much of a problem, or maybe if Kiara didn't had so many schizo antis... Even so, Takamori is cool.

If this ship was just as staged but involved someone who wasn't Kiara it wouldn't get nearly half as many schizo antis.

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