/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Yeah, sure.
Let me go right ahead and wake up at THREE IN THE MORNING to watch their stream.

>>78915720
shut the fuck up, fuck your fucking canadian money

>>78915720
Don't worry eurofags will continue to make sparse threads every few months complaining about chubbas not streaming in their timezone. Useless insects of the fanbase, disgusting.

>>78915720
EUfags have one chance but they will squander it, and prove that catering to EU is a mistake. This gen will perform worse than the previous ones in every metric possible but the EU chuds will deflect and claim its because EN vtubing is saturated, despite constantly saying Europe is an untapped market

>>78915720
>see hololive is totally not ingoring EU!
Did you miss them releasing debut merch that's not shipped to Europe?

>>78916701
are you actually expecting OP to be thinking critically and rationally, examining all the facts? on 4chan? this is just an emotional outburst there's not another Burger or SEAfolk 'tuber. let OP cope.

>>78915720
One streams at hours when EU is working. Two others stream at hours we should be going to sleep if we want to wake up to work. Brit doesn't even know what a schedule is.
Yeah, nah, I'll stick to people who stream at watchable hours, you can keep your Hololive.

>>78916296
>debut streams on weekend morning
>during holidays when everyone is out drinking
>drop merch that is absurdly expensive to ship to EU

If I were to adjust tinfoil hat, that looks like outright sabotage attempt
Worry not, they will on US timezone hours in no time because EN management can't be arsed to wake up early to babysit them

>>78918266
This.
Debut streams are important because 100k+ live streams get pushed by algo, so new people can find them. This is especially important in europe to catch new fans.
So what do we do to take advantage of that?
Easy, we debut at 4am. During the european football championship.
Oh and the first stream together is at 3am.
AND you have to import merch with 50%+ extra cost.
Sounds like a reasonable way to unlock the european market to me.

Cover always go for the long run. right now just watch the stream and sc. after a year, they have the number then EU office is not too far. why do you guys take some dramafag opinion so seriously. remember Hololive go from 0 to hero, remember holostar is complete waste in the beginning? they are not instant dominate like niji. they know it's hard to capture a market

Fascinating how mods go mental over mentions of "brown" but do nothing about threads like this which are filled with pure hate and zero reason by worst subhumans.

>>78918874
The holostars part hasn’t changed, and I wouldn’t put it past Hololive to shutter all EU-centric plans based on how this gen pans out

>>78919214
Two things can be true at once, the jannies are retarded and EU vtubing fans are negligible to the point where they are not worth pandering to

>>78918266
>>78918466
I've never cared about it, but I'm thinking I won't be able to watch most streams because they will end up being in late night / morning on america.
It's the first time I've ever been able to feel sympathy, I feel like I've grown as a person now that I'm able to understand a little of the suffering EU bros had during all those years.

>>78918874
>stars

>>78917660
>shit time for EU
>shit time for burgers
>shit time for asia
who are they even streaming for?

>>78919435
What pisses me off so much personally is that, as a euro convention visitor, I KNOW there is a market for vtubers in the eu, but no corpo wants to try to reach them. So instead they are spread over 500 small indies/micro corpos or don't watch vtubers at all.
I visit the japan expo in france every year since 2018(except when it got canceled because of covid), and I'm always shocked how many people there didn't really hear about vtubers before. Last year I had a KFP hoodie on and people constantly asked what anime that's from. When I told them about hololive a bunch of them were like "Huh, that (vtubers) exists?!"
People in this bubble always seem to forget how niche it still is.

>>78919787
The Azore Islands maybe?

>>78915720
Now do East Flank of Nato

>>78919482
bro you really don't understand what i mean. holostar gen 2 debut with 2 view. they can survive then, they're living well now.

>>78919955
They could survive because the girls kept them alive with their subsidies. So everyone who bought merch/tickets/superchats for the girls gave a piece of that money to the stars through covers socialist corporate policies.

>>78916701
Use Geekjack

>>78919933
sick, my three Portuguese archipelago homies can finally watch vtubers live.

>>78919955
Oh, you mean JP stars?
Anyway they can survive because they get paid a salary from girls' revenue. Not because of their own efforts. Yagoo is the boss of the girls and uses girls' money on the boys. But even he had to admit they're worthless failures and cancelled some of their expensive events like concerts because it was no longer possible to justify such waste of money.

>>78920042
do you think holostar are yagoo favourites and can do whatever they want? since you guys don't follow them let me tell you they are on a saving mode even though they have never not sold out a concert or limited merch. truth me they didn't take the girl money to substain holostar, star survive on their own. alot of star boys have 2nd job.

>>78920211
limited merch spread is 1425 normal to 75 geekjack usually
geekjack isn't usable

>>78919824
Maybe, but I personally know normies who listen to a lot of varied music genres who listen to Suisei songs even if they don't know what vtubers are.

>>78919824
Kizuna AI is probably the only widely recognized vtuber in Europe but everybody stopped watching her when they tried to switch voice actor.

>>78915720
macaco here, i ill watch them too

>>78919824
That only further reinforces the point that it’s a risky endeavor to try to cater to a market that by and large is not aware you exist at all. Vtubing could have been a fad that faded into obscurity if not for the perfect storm of conditions that happened, and now you’re basically asking for some corpo to try to recreate the Vtuber boom in EU without the conditions that made it possible in the first place

>>78915720
You dont undertand. We europeans know how vile european women are so we don't watch them. Its exclusively americans and other non-white groups who obsess over them. See Kiara for example.
There is no way in hell I would ever support a german chuuba.

>>78920949
Anon, you're being retarded. The whole point of marketing is raising awareness of the product. Marketing in Europe IS needed.
The whole issue is that Cover does literally zero marketing but some retards on this board expect EU to somehow provide results. That's not how it works. Marketing has to be done first.
Having to market the product DOES NOT make it risky.

>>78920949
Yeah but the NA/JP market is pretty much maxed out and SEA is mostly too poor, so if they actually want to keep growing it's the market that makes the most sense.
Especially since central europe and the UK have a large amount of weebs.
If they didn't go public they could have just concentrated on making their product better, but since they HAVE gone public they HAVE to grow or the stock is doomed.

>>78915720
was this really a great idea? remember what happened the last time an Austrian and an Italian were on the same team?

>>78921108
This, they didn't even have to debut an EU generation, it would have made more sense to start out with a warehouse for cheaper merch and some more ads/sponsorships pushed at cons and stuff.
Crunchyroll is successful in europe, try to get some ads or collabs with them.

But instead they put out an "EU gen" with no established background support, it's absolutely baffling.

When you try to expand you aren't supposed to half ass it like this. Sure, you got the marketable nationalities, but you are still packaging that non-EU timezones, and there is no distribution channels to ship any of the merch to Europe.

This seems more like giving JP and US more exotic chuuba options than expanding to EU.

>>78921561
>packaging that non-EU timezones
to be fair they published their schedules after debut and they seem ok for EU timezone
maybe debut was like that because the jp company managers wanted to keep an eye on them or something

>>78915720
They debuted at 5am. Also they are unironically worse than last Pixel gen.

>>78921697
Yeah but now they reached a bunch of people with their debuts that can't actually watch their streams, who the fuck thinks that's a good idea

>>78920211
Oh yeah just use the thing US fans were also able to use since the beginning of time when they complained that they're not getting proper shipping.

If Hololive really wants the EU audience they should get a japanese women who speaks fluent english and maybe one of the european languages.
We do not care about western women.

>>78921708
This is true, Kanna mogs all 4 of them as a streamer.

>>78920211
I bought the Fauna teacup through geekjack.
I never received it, I didn't get my money back and they just stopped answering even after I went through a lawyer.
If I remember right it was also something like 80€ instead of 30.

Actual schedules have EU friendly times why the fuck were debuts in the middle of the night???

>>78922035
you think they'd get 120k ccv on EU schedules? It's all about that algorithm

>>78919824
Maybe Japanese companies are wary of European "anti-trust" laws
I sometimes hear in the news in Japan that Japanese companies are being penalized by Europe for cartels and such.

>>78919482
Thats the classic "race to the bottom".

>>78922072
What good is the algorithm if it introduces people to your channel that can't actually watch your streams?
That's like buyung a superbowl ad for a product you can only buy in stores in the UK.

>>78922509
Must be retarded. How can you compare a Youtube stream with a VOD to a physical product on a shelf? More views and better algorithm = more promotion on Youtube lists = more EU bros see it. Is a concept of a "viral" video foreign to you?

>>78922753
Except the vods will only get pushed to people who already know about hololive, while the Livestream was on the front page of the YouTube live page.
More specifically it's like buying a $5mil Superbowl ad for a UK product and then hoping people back in the UK will later watch the ad section on youtube to learn about your product.

>>78922753
Or, and this might sound crazy, Cover actually market them in the EU beforehand.

>>78922035
>Average 10pm CEST on two, mid-day-at-work time for the third one
>"EU friendly"
...the fuck are you smoking?

>>78922035
>>78922509
>>78922509
It’s the smart thing to do, you get the biggest numbers because more eyes on you at debut is more important than catering to your stream time zone, because that way you get to reach out to more people overall. If you weren’t going to watch a Holo streaming friendly hours for you simply because they didn’t debut in that time zone then you were never going to watch anyway

>>78920949
Retard -kun Vtubers are popular in Europe Twitch Vtubers get best numbers in EU hours.

>>78922035
American streams tako-time, italian streams JP prime time
what are you talking about

>>78919226
This plus >they put in an SJW
They want it resolved and I'm super happy the Japanese definitely know the EU is the source of suicidal leftism and not the US. You people are the ones so Christian you'll do thinks like commit suicide or sterilize your own children as a sort of genetic suicide. All targeted at a global minority because a handful of rich people, virtually all of whom are either EU citizens or are people like Soros who should be exiled back to the EU but never will be: his own country exiled him to ours.

Europe is the source of trash thinking within the English language and Yagoo is gonna teach you guys Kikongo so he can make more money. Good.

>>78923087
Vtuber fans are not wagies. Streaming early night is perfect.

>>78923060
They weren't marketed anywhere. This is irrelevant to the schedule issue.

>>78922072
What's the point in getting a crazy CCV for debut when none of the people who can watch you will actually be around for the stream?
Anyways Green woman's schedule is the only decent one for me so i'll probably only watch her

>>78923087
10pm CEST is a decent stream time though, as long as the streams are 2-3 hours long

>>78923206
The point is that marketing in EU = more views on EU friendly debut = more eyes from people who will actually show up to streams.

>>78923173
People who buy merch ARE wagies.

>>78917660
At what fucking hour you go to sleep that 9pm-10pm is to late for you?

>>78923142
>EU is the source of suicidal leftism and not the US
That's absolutely bullshit. The left is infected by American woke stuff here in Europe.

>>78923316
Don't open your filthy mouth on this board if you don't watch streams retard.
If stream starts at 22 and lasts several hours... it will end well after midnight. Streams should start at 18-19 - just like they do for Americans with NA holos.

>Do you know how the Americans first came into being?
>They were anglos once.
>Taken by the black powers, twisted and mutilated, a ruined and terrible form of life.
>My fighting amerimutts.
>Whom do you serve?

>>78919787
California unironically

>>78923316
Around 10pm. And truth to be said I should be going at around 9pm given how early I wake up.

>>78923336
American "lefts" would be mostly center/center-right in europe.
Fuck, Bernie Sanders gets pushed as a "radical leftist" in the US, but he would at most be SPD(center-left) in germany.

>>78923316
11pm.
I wake up at 5.30am

>>78923108
Yea and so? The numbers they amount to are so small they might as well be irrelevant, if that’s the best they can hope for from the so called untapped audience then they’re never getting any corpos because that is quite frankly a waste of time and money. But keep telling yourself that vtubing will pop off in EU any day now, I’m sure it will happen soon

>>78923301
Well 2 (arguably 3 if cecilia will frequent the 22:00 CEST time slot) of them wont stream on EU friendly times so that would be not that nice to them if they debut during EU prime time

>>78923281
It's okayish yeah (and it's why Ina had such good viewership) but far from optimal. Most of Holo EN streams at 18 for California which is their main target audience and even in New York that's still 21. Good for entire NA.
Meanwhile almost entire Europe shares a single time zone but we can't get a single stream at proper hour, it's either Kiara (fucking >Kiara) at 15-16 which means you can't watch start of her streams if you're over the age of 14 or Ina at 22-24 depending on her mood butshe can stream in the middle of the night too.

>>78923760
Hmm, I wonder why EU holos who had to stream at 5am stream late. Surely not because of management, right?

>>78915720
Too late
I am full invested in this duck and i don't have time to spare on others in the same timeslot

>>78923828
one of them is in NA and one of them is in JP. Given management is also in JP, there was a compromise.

>>78923281
The problem is at 10pm I will most likely be watching Kiara.
And at 4pm.
And at 5pm, 6pm, 7pm, 8pm, 9pm, 11pm.....

>>78923316
Euro here.
I start work at 6AM so i go sleep at 9.30PM

>>78923879
VSMP has rotted my brain, I get cute girls doing cute things almost 24/7

Ok, when do other euros go off work here?
I start at 6am and am done at 3pm.

>>78923919
And the point is that this was retarded.

>>78923303
LOL no especially not in EU. I'm a NEET living in Poland and I can easily afford 2k $ PC, multiple phones and laptops and anime merch.

I genuinely think you guys got the wrong impression when you decided this was holoeu.
Like yeah, 3/4th of them are europeans, but so what?
At most they favoured a couple of girls who would stream during dead time, but that's it.

This is Holoen4, not holoeu.

>>78923435
No retard it's perfect and twitch numbers agree. I do my gacha dailies and watch anime before Vtubers. Streams starting 10pm are great.

>>78923996
0800 to 1700
I also go to bed at 23:00
t. sweden

>>78923704
Neuro or Filian get better numbers than 90% of HoloEN in this time slot. There is a ton of 3-5k ones too.

if they streamed any earlier they'd make it ridiculously hard for any management in JP to watch. Their current times already start at like 5am or something.

>>78918466
If Europoors would rather watch men kick a ball around for hours interspersed with lying on the grass nursing the fakest injuries possible than their their new potential oshis then they don't deserve this gen.

>>78923704
There are twitch indies that gets more views than Kiara streaming at 7PM CEST

>>78924318
So? Management should stop being lazy. Besides, they don't need to eatch every regular stream.

>>78924014
You're an exception not the norm anon. Most people aren't a waste of skin, and most of those that are don't have that sort of spending money.

>>78919950
Look we'd need to get a Polish Vtuber to stop swearing constantly and threatening to murder the Germans or other WarPact members.

>>78915720
Honestly, they didn't deserve a branch. SEA branch made more sense. We have far more weebs than eufags

>>78924336
It's about finding them anon.
Euro youtube recommendations are choke full of football clips.
I don't even watch Football at all and my youtube is still full of it.

>>78924609
But your average income is $300

>>78919824
there was a good crowd during that nijisanjiEN appearance last year, barely any empty seats when i was there, no idea how the nijiJP day fared though.
i can only guess that the hololive schedule for this year's expo will get way more crowded and most likely will raise awareness about them.
i just want to know if it's just a 1h talk to the crowd like niji or more, i don't feel like coming there again with the rise of price ticket and official booth leaving without any words only to get replaced by shitty third party booth that sells fake swords and dumb dried fruits

I always knew it they ever had an EU focused gen then pulling anything less than Gura numbers would just make them fuel for EU shitposting fire. I didn't expect to be proven right so quickly you're preloading your monkey behavior before they even start having regular streams.

>>78924744
In 2019 I printed out a fake staff card and just walked in, nobody noticed.

>>78915720
The SEA seethe is real on this board. They hate EU and make up all sorts of stories, then show they know nothing about timezones and think the debuts were at midnight for the EU. Something about supposed laws stopping them from hiring Europeans, but the law doesn't exist. Something about no merch, but then Justice gets a sick hoodie. Something about them not speaking English, but they're all more articulate than some members from Canada and US. Some conspiracy about timezones, but they just decided to fill the gap of early peak hours. Something about EU doesn't understand anime culture, but they're all huge weebs of a non-casual variety.
SEAs are really not winning any of these battles.

>>78915720
I love Raora's streaming hours, thanks. I'm going to be able to catch a ton of her streams at work at lunchtime. I'm seriously really appreciative for this and will be doing what I can to show enough support to help this become a long term success.

>Cover open office in EU
>Liz can ony be there a limited time

>>78924450
Nah looking at my friends it's normal. The ones that actually work can easily afford new cars and world trips and shit. I don't know what to say if this lifestyle seems rare for US.

>>78924711
i live in eastern europe and earn €2000, thats just bit above average here nowadays.

>>78924786
Nobody is expecting Gura the goal is Fauna numbers.

>>78924908
>SEA
They are afraid of becoming more and more irrelevant.

>>78924978
So you aren't a seafag, you are a searunaway.

>>78924835
amazing, it's not surprising considering the amount of young workers they hire every years

>>78923996
Work?
>t. euroneet

>>78923142
Americans are the main culprits but they're not the only ones; Brits and Canadians are sometimes even worse than Americans.
>>78923599
When it comes to economics, sure, but on social issues concerning race, gender, sexuality etc. the American left is extremely radical.

>>78924477
Mori is half Polish. Vei is Polish. They never even talk about Germany.

>>78921833
This! We aren't retarded burgers

>>78924908
>Some conspiracy about timezones, but they just decided to fill the gap of early peak hours.
There is no conspiracy you dumb fucker. Majority of EU is CEST a.k.a. GMT+2. Those that aren't are GMT+1 or GMT+3. That means advertising 8-9pm GMT streams means 10-11pm - a time that might be fine for NEETs but not for working people.
As for merch - the issue is not lack of it, but the fact that it'd still be sent from burgerland or japan, meaning jacked up shipping costs for anyone in EU trying to buy.

>>78924908
>>78925020
The SEAs are largely irrelevant since their spending power is dirt so they get scraps thrown to them in the form of the ID branch. However don’t get it twisted, EU vtubing fans definitely think they are more numerous and important than they actually are. Vtubing was always a niche of a niche hobby, but in Europe it’s even more so, to the point even with their significantly higher spending power doesn’t justify the risk of expanding to said market. TL;DR keep vtubers in JP/US/leafland

>>78923316
Sometimes I forget that the average burger starts work midday and only work for 7 hours

>>78923996
In GMT/UTC, my hours are flexible but by default I aim for something like 07:30-11:00 and 13:00-17:00.

The hours I most want to have filled with Hololive content are 06:30-07:30, 11:00-13:00 and 17:00-19:00. Raora's timeslot is perfect for me, and I'll be able to catch a ton of the evening content too. Genuinely very happy with this development.

>>78924014
Oh, it's your retarded ass again. Again, you having rich parents doesn't mean it's the same for everyone. We're talking about trends which apply to the fanbase on mass scale.

>>78916552
That's not how it works. If your business fails, it's your own fuck-up. Everything else is just cope.

>>78925242
>Mori is half Polish.
Wait what? I'm sure it's an exaggeration but I never heard of her having any sort of Polish roots. Not that I watch her streams much but I thought I would be able to learn that over the years.

>>78915720
retard

>>78924609
SEAnigger

>>78923996
Most work 8-16 or 9-17. Some 10-18. Streams starting at 18-19 would be perfect.

>>78926008
The "half" is exaggeration indeed but apparently she mentioned she has some Polish roots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fLNCunfkjE

>>78915720
>Eurofags you have Justice members
EU prime time is around 19:00 BST / 20:00 CEST.
Let's look at when Justice is streaming based on the schedules we have.
>Raora: 12:00 / 13:00
>Elizabeth: 19:00 / 20:00 (?)
>Cecilia: 20:00 / 21:00
>Gigi: 22:00 / 23:00
So one is far too early, one is so late you might as well watch US east coast streamers you like, and the third is ERB.

>>78925892
You have no idea how much money euros spend on hobby shit.

>>78924318
So? JPs stream to midnight and beyond in JST all the time. You think managers are awake then? or work during weekends?

>>78926239
She kinda failed saying grandpa to be honest. Well makes sense if she's never been there and only talked a bit with her family, PL phonetics are hell for English speakers. Interesting. Pink woman scoring another win.

>>78915720
If only they didn't suck, the only decent one is Cecilia. What a fucking flop.

>>78923996
I guard my apartment 24/7 on the Finnish government payroll

I really hope this is not the last EN gen. If it is, well what a fucking massive disappointment.

>>78915720
COVER YOU FUCKER YOU SHOULD HAVE HIRED KANNA YANAGI
GREAT ENGLISH
GAMER
ASMR
MINECRAFT AUTIST
LEADER
STREAMS LIKE A MAD WOMAN
ALL IN ONE PACKAGE

>>78923599
Even just taking economics, the *only* domain where you could argue it's not the US that's to the left of Europe, the Sander stuff is entirely a myth. Bernie Sanders wouldn't be SPD. Nobody in Europe would cancel all student debts, implement a 32 hours work week, price control is literally only proposed by communist parties, force all big corporations to give 20% of their stock revenues to workers, and almost no European country actually has the kind of wide-ranging single payer free healthcare system he wants.

>>78926403
That's irrelevant. That guy claims he's a NEET who can afford stuff. That by default makes him an exception whose anecdotal experience is completely worthless in talks about market.
Furthermore what he claims is absolutely in upper echelon of what Polish people can afford. Median salary in Poland is like 1600 bucks before taxes and most of it goes into paying rent and bills. Minimum wage is 750 bucks after taxes and large % of population is working minimum wage or close to it. Electronics are 10-30% more expensive here than in US. Housing or food are cheaper but not proportionally to difference in earnings. It's much harder to spend a lot on hobbies when you're living in Poland compared to Germany, UK, France, Canada, US.

>>78924978
either you are super retarded or just shitposter but eastern europe has nothing to do with SEA.

>>78915720
She's doing pretty good so far.

>>78915720
This gen feels like a joke, to be honest.

>>78925946
That is correct, and also exactly why cover will never do more than dip their toes in the EU because it’s an uncertain market and they are spread too thin to afford a fuck up

>>78916552
Bro if THIS is what they give us, how do you expect it not to flop? Have you listened to this girl's voice? Have you listened to every single fucking voice in this gen? Why can't we get cute girls? And don't tell me there are no good talents around, I can name at least 10 EU chuubas with cute voices who are also good content creators. Holo management fucked up so hard, I hope this is not the last gen. They can't end with a fucking flop. If good talents don't audition fucking scout them, do your job, you can't fail your branch like this.

>>78927255
It's only uncertain because they have no clue who their competitors in EU market are.

>>78927255
>holoen during eu prime time is an uncertain market
>loads of indies having 1+k CCV streams during EU prime time
what did he mean by this? and as a corpo you could (and should) buy a lot of advertising to activate the weebs that genuinely doesnt know vtubing exists to come and check out your debuts

>>78927575
Going by that other anon these are exiles. So it makes sense that they are the bottom of the barrel. Just like burgers.

>>78924336
Euros isn't about football. Euros is the time of the year we all can be openly racist again and nobody even pretends to mind it.

>>78924336
Retard. You don't compete against hundred years old traditions. Euros last a month and happens every 4 years. It takes special type of incompetence to somehow manage to debut during this time. Not to mention anyone with a brain was expecting EN4 in Sep-Nov or Feb-Mar, not in fucking June.

Honestly, EN5 when?

>>78923585
>>78923659
>>78923930
Just sleep in the afternoon, it's literally that easy. I wake up at 11pm, I can watch any stream I want and I'm happy.

>>78923435
>Streams should start at 18-19 - just like they do for Americans with NA holos.
God I miss Vesper and his comfy evening streams... don't mention orb he's not the same

>Vtweeter sentence

>>78915720
But they suck

With all the eurotrash that keeps crying about the imaginary unicorn menace, I hope they never get Eu chuubas again. The state of any thread these losers are mentioned in is atrocious.

>>78928986
You would react the same exact way if holo myth was this

>>78928434
It's impossible if you live with other people. Or if you have loud neighbors. Or if you live near loud street. Which applies to vast majority of people.
There's also specific examples like me who simply cannot fall asleep before 23 no matter what which sucks.

>>78927578
Sure, that doesn't change the fact they simply do not have enough information to hard commit to said market.
>>78927632
You seem to think expanding into a market that is for all intents and purposes a new market venture is as simple as waltzing in and pulling le numbers streamers without considering the innumerable reasons why it could fail, logistics be damned. Don't mind the fact that being a corpo streamer means you are bound by 100 rules on stream, and 1000 autistic rules off stream, and any yabbing means end of corpo career, oh and by the way we need you to fly to Japan 10 times a year because idolshit is mandatory and we need your ass physically in the studio. Nah but don't worry about it all we need to do is pump some ads and the weebs will come they just don't know it yet.

>>78929668
Ah you are a retarded /lig/ger
please go back to your containment zone

>>78916701
Tenso faggot.

>>78929668
Retard.

>>78929668
There's zero reason for why Holo EU could fail. The only unknown is whether it would be a big success or huge success.

>>78929668
>they simply do not have enough information to hard commit to said market.
And who's fault is that? Gaining knowledge and adjusting the rules are their responsibility. If they're going to half-ass it they might not even try. Expansion is not about repeating the same thing hoping it will work out somewhere else.

>>78915720
but I don't really like them very much none of their voices are cute

>>78929070
Sure redditard whatever you make up in your head.

>>78930279
THIS
Why did cover deny us a cute EU loli?

>>78930279
> Likes retarded children
> Doesn't like Queen Elizabeth and her exquisite artisinal equestrian autism

>>78930363
Because loli is a legal minefield in the EU.

>>78930394
Yes, basically.

>>78930479
Panko...

>>78930394
Good voice, bad personality.

>>78915720
yeah can't wait for not being able to buy from the official store so my sales count towards jp sales!

>>78930204
>HoloEU
It would fail because it would just end up being HoloESL.That or you would get streamers that speak a bunch of different languages and barely interact with each other and make collabs nearly impossible unless they limit themself to English which would filter their target audience.

>>78929755
See that's the neat thing, I don't even watch indies, Hololive is all the vtubing I'll ever watch but all you got out of that was assuming I was talking about the idol activities that are mandatory. Beyond that being a filter for already established vtubers alongside constraining content a corpo vtuber gets to do, the talent pool they actually get to pick from isn't exactly massive to begin with.
>>78930071
Keep seething with no argument because you know I'm right
>>78930204
No, there's no reason YOU can think of for why Holo EU could fail, there's a multitude for which it could actually fail as is common for overseas expansion

>>78930394
>fake posh accent
No.

>>78915720
You know three weeks ago, I was craving an Holo EU generation, but then VAllure happened with EU friendly streams and a daughter-wife that actually loves me and I feel absolutely nothing about Justice. I can't tell if it's just because nothing matters outside of Icey now, or if it's Justice being as much as a nothingburger as they seem but my dead hours are now filled.

Too little too late Hololive.

>>78930697
Provide one.

>>78930646
You have no fucking idea about Europe. There's loads of people who speak great English.

>>78930697
>I was talking about the idol activities that are mandatory
Only a retarded ligger would consider that some huge negative. If you aren't a /lig/ger that just means you're extra special retarded. You're making a shitload of negative assumptions and pretend you have some great understanding on the matter while in reality you couldn't be more biased.

>>78924014
>NEETting
>in Poland

>>78930479
we're not Australia

>>78930394
>likes entertaining streamers
>doesn't have mommy issues
ikr, what a freak lol

>>78929178
Or if you need to get anything else done in the day.

>>78930794
>Muh english
Das Problem is nicht ob die Zuschauer oder Streamer Englisch sprechen.Die Leute die einen Streamer auf Englisch anschauen wollen können das bereits.

>>78931225
Oh yeah that too. Swapping sleeping schedule all the time isn't realistic. Vast majority of people simply can't afford sleeping in the afternoon and waking up at 23.

>>78916296
>chubbas

>>78931306
Replied to wrong post, schwabbian schwein?

>>78915720
>Europooreans losing once again

>>78915720
Their debuts were at 3am

All this talk about a supposed EU gen not really catering to EU audiences should make this quite obvious, but some retards don't seem to get it. The streaming schedule compromises, the token US mem, the thick accents on at least half of the girls - this gen is marketed towards US audiences with Euroboo fever. You can be certain that Cover did at least do enough market research in the EU to realize that European nationals who speak English with a heavy accent sound very cringe to native speakers of that language. That's just human nature, the linguistic version of the uncanny valley, so it's nothing you should blame the audience for. Justice is meant to appeal to native English speakers who are looking for something culturally exotic but not Japanese, since there's already more than enough to choose from. The only reason some of them have vaguely EU friendly streaming times are because of British audiences, not mainland Euros.

If you understand this, then congrats, you now get what Cover's been trying to do.

>>78930479
Legal in Finland, it's time for HoloFI

>>78931551
Between this and other option being incompetence bordering on sabotage, I'd prefer to go with your theory.

>20k CCV
We won, this is Gura tier.

>>78924609
Biggest anime festival outside of Japan is in France.

>>78931551
this explain everythng and it's really accurate

>>78915954
VODs are not good enough for you? You don't even pay shit or buy merch—typical EU entitlements.
Now is your chance to support, but sadly predicting EU will disappoint both the real Holofans and especially the talents. All they can do is complain. Get Some EU talents and still crying like a Nijisanji bitch.

garbage bait
no matter how much you seethe about EU, you will remain a subhuman, SEAfag

>>78931986
holy corpo cocksucker

>>78925242
>>78926239
Why do Americans do this so often? Claim that they/someone is Polish/Irish/German/Italian when one ancestor from hundreds of years ago came from thst country? I have a mate up in Scotland and he says some of the most cringeworthy tourists he's experienced are Americans claiming they're Scottish.

>>78932227
I support the talents, sister.
Better support them.

>>78930646
>it would just end up being HoloESL
A lot of Germans, Dutch, Danes, Norwegians, and Swedes speak better and clearer English than native English speakers.

>>78932158
I wish it was bait.

>>78932416
I will, that is the various real euro chuubas.

>>78931986
>pls give charity to corporations
What's this slave mentality? It's the job of the corpo to make their product appealing. I'm not going to eat up whatever slop they put in front of me just because they say "here's your EU chuubas".

If they cared about EU then they would've debuted them at a EU con
https://regular.animecon.nl/en/
https://abunaicon.nl/
https://www.tomocon.nl/

>>78933405
Talents in Hololive don't get only 2%. Stop projecting sister.

>>78933405
All I ask is to watch their streams. Sisters always complaining but don't even do that.

>>78933450
>nl cons
who cares, it would be dokomi or japan expo or something like that

>>78933982
>recommending a country in shambles

>>78933450
It's funny how different European culture is to Finnish culture
>Cons in Finland: Lectures, panels, autism
>Cons in European countries: PARTY TIME

>>78931753
>bordering on sabotage
Honestly that sounds really possible. It's like destroying the brand the talents built for holoEN afterall the push for nijification.

>>78934261
I'm Polish and our cons are similar to Finnish ones. Main content are panels which take form of lectures on the industry, specific shows, genres, with maybe Q&A or knowledge competitions like guessing openings or title of anime from school uniform screenshot etc.
I was very surprised when I read about cons on 4chan which are mostly focused on US, CA and western EU.

>>78930794
Sure, I’ll just give a few that apply to any type of business expansion overseas. Amongst EU vtubing fans themselves they already have tastes that greatly differ, so which subset is the most important to cater to? More importantly, how do you even get an accurate read of which slice of the EU pie is the one to go for? What does being an EU-centric vtuber entail, beyond streaming EU hours? Will a French vtuber appeal to the Italian/German/British/Dutch/Danish audience, never mind the rest of Europe? How are you meant to acquire this information as a Japanese company, operating in an industry largely unknown by the EU as a whole? Who do you form a working relationship with to establish a HoloEU branch? If said office uses English as the common language, why the need to have it in EU instead of US? What about the countries that are in Europe but not the union, how do you account for those? Is Norway or Switzerland’s weeb populace worth catering to? There’s quite literally hundreds of reasons beyond what I could list here for why expanding overseas can go wrong, and a lot of them have nothing to do with fan support or whatever and everything to do with the fact that logistics for an industry as niche as this is hard as fuck to do, you wanting to support them being the least of those issues. On top of all this, I’d also like to remind you Hololive doesn’t exactly have
flawless management skills for their overseas branches, or the fact that they made it big by virtue of luck rather than prodigious decision making on their part
>>78930996
And you’re simply hopelessly optimistic about the realities of operating businesses. It’s quite evident from your mannerisms alone that you’ve never had to deal with anything remotely close to this scale of projects but you surely know better.

>>78933937
Sorry but 11pm streams is not something I can support or homostar sucking. ceci is the only one.

>>78915720
is she French french or is she Quebec French though?

>>78934541
Cecilia? She's German.

This your HoloEN Eurofags, don't fuck it up

>>78934569
Merci Beaucoup

Who is would watch these shitters during Euro matches?

>>78934509
Gura's big streams are on Thursday, while the rest of EN usually gets the weekend. It's while the East is at work. But they still watch her vods instead of crying like cunts. Cover sees their numbers as to why Gura is promoted heavily there, even though her streaming hours don't fit their schedule. VT is too caught up on CCV, when VOD views is what counts. Hear burgers complaining like bitches watching debuts way past prime? All I see from EU is bitching like cunts. Get that trans surgery already.

WE SHOULD'VE LEFT THESE EUROPOORS BACK ON WWII

>>78934261
https://kotae.fi/en/program/torii-cafe/
>bulky hairy dude & XXL burger as maids
I'll stick to the party

>>78915954
Pink Sex Cat streaming right now and it's the afternoon in Eurofag time. Go watch.

>>78935459
Never heard of that one, Desucon is the top dog when it comes to Finnish cons.

>>78935686
I didn't know about it because her debut and schedule were in the middle of the night.
Do you see the issue?

>>78935325
>BACK ON WWII
>WE
With your obvious ESL I can guarantee your country didn't contribute anything to either side during WWII. And given the time of day in SEA I presume your grandparents/great grandparents were being raped by Japanese soldiers.

>>78935791
Well now you do, and she has scheduled all her streams for this time slot, so stop bitching about debut times and go watch.

>>78935066
Your first sentence is so full of shit that you must be the same SEA faggot that has a hate boner for Europe.

>>78935782
Over half the panels are about trans/gender/feminism/XXL/femboys/dark tall men. This sounds completely oriented towards women.Then there's
>Why do I cry? - how do shows appeal to emotions
>I will consider what kind of means the anus has to cause strong emotional reactions.
The Fuck?

>>78936275
Her Birthday stream was just this Thursday, forgot already? Must be EU.
EU is the one bitching like cunts and refusing to watch vods.

>>78937210
Yeah, seems like Desucon's panels/lectures have really gone downhill. Looks like absolute garbage at a quick glance.

>>78935954
Everyone is at work at that time during week, on weekends it's fine but don't call this good time for eu

>>78915720
>expecting EU to step up
prepare for disappointment bro.

>>78937541
>bitching quite literally never ends
and you wonder why everyone says the euros are worthless

>>78937821
We are civilized people so we expect high standards

>>78938608
looks like the northern parts of NA

>>78937358
Keep seething SEA faggot. Maybe one day you can move out from your mudhut.

>>78915720
So far, I haven't seen them being EU focused besides their origin. If I have to watch 6 AM streams, I'll watch the other girls.

>>78920299
>limited merch spread is 1425 normal to 75 geekjack usually
What the fuck

>>78929668
>Nah but don't worry about it all we need to do is pump some ads
The point is they didn't even do that. That's one of the reasons people complained, the other being having the debut at impossible times for Yuros to watch live. NA/SEA watched the debuts live but won't easily be able to catch their actual streams live so they will likely drop them, meanwhile EU didn't catch their debuts live so it'll be harder to connect and commit to watching their streams. I've seen some Yuros tune in, but they only knew of the debuts because they are or were regular Holofans before. Point is, they promoted them to the Hololive fanbase, not their target market of EU weebs, and this will affect their success.

>hears an accent
>kill himself
Must be hard being American

>>78940948
and the money you give them go to destroying the culture of Japan https://www.trans-cosmos.co.jp/english/company/sustainability/rights_labor/diversity/ and the information you give them go to China https://www.trans-cosmos.co.jp/english/company/news/240611.html

>>78931986
>or buy merch
once I don't have to rely on third parties to "smuggle" holo merch here I will. until then, I'm not gonna reward bad behavior.

>>78921927
good to know they're a scam.

>>78941942
please go back to /pol/

>>78921068
>There is no way in hell I would ever support a german chuuba.
post your nose

>>78921068
Oh yeah, all those non-european virgin chubas.

>>78934477
>Amongst EU vtubing fans themselves they already have tastes that greatly differ, so which subset is the most important to cater to? More importantly, how do you even get an accurate read of which slice of the EU pie is the one to go for?
Literally the same issue in every single market they've expanded to. Unlike Niji, Hololive has had great success in SEA and NA. Yes, they need data, but this isn't the first time they're expanding overseas, one would hope they have procedures for this.
>What does being an EU-centric vtuber entail, beyond streaming EU hours?
Speaking English. That's it, that's the requirement. Yagoo himself has publicly stated that Hololive's mission is to spread the Japanese culture of vtubing to the rest of the world "as-is", so following Japanese norms but making minor adjustments to cater to specific regions. They don't need to do anything too special except recruit entertaining talents.
>Will a French vtuber appeal to the Italian/German/British/Dutch/Danish audience, never mind the rest of Europe?
Absolutely, especially if they speak multiple languages, but for optimal results you'd recruit talents from multiple ethnicities, just like Cover has done. The cultures between European countries are different, yes, but they're closer to each other than NA ones, and there is plenty of overlap.
>How are you meant to acquire this information as a Japanese company, operating in an industry largely unknown by the EU as a whole?
Firstly, who's fucking fault is it that they aren't well-known in Europe, if they are rarely advertised here? Secondly, Kiara is right there. She has made tons of connections in the weeb community, both before and after joining Holo, so she can point Cover in the right direction. Also, hiring local market experts wouldn't hurt.
>Who do you form a working relationship with to establish a HoloEU branch? If said office uses English as the common language, why the need to have it in EU instead of US?
Idk anon, why not set up the US commercial branch in Hawaii, since they speak English too? For the convenience of the local (potential) fanbase, talents and staff.
>What about the countries that are in Europe but not the union, how do you account for those?
They're... not much different? They speak English, sure they have different regulations and cultures but they're geographically close, if Holo produces content that appeals to the EU it will appeal to them too.
>Is Norway or Switzerland’s weeb populace worth catering to?
Potentially, you'd need some data on spending habits and such, but a few paypigs from these areas, and Europe in general, can be worth thousands of SEA fans, not to mention the marketability of the bragging rights from conquering all 3 major continents.

I'm not saying these issues are simple, but they are resolvable, and Cover *should* have the resources to properly expand into the market successfully. This is what people mean by it's practically impossible for Cover to fail in the EU market, they expect that Cover can competently take all the appropriate steps to make this venture a success. So far, however, I'm personally slightly disappointed. We'll have to see how this first year goes.

>>78943434

>>78940948
Yeah it's fucked up. Gura's was 1900 normal + 100 on geekjack the other day. I think some merch sets had only 50 on geekjack. Unsurprisingly geekjack gets sold out in a matter of seconds so nobody sane uses it and people prefer going for normal shop where you have 1-3 minutes depending on talent. It's just that if you're European you have to set up a proxy beforehand while hoping for the best.

>>78934477
Because a californyan, a new yorkian, a mexican, a texan, and a floridian have oh so similar tastes

>>78943655
Very constructive anon, then you

>>78920949
Please retard, a market which doesn't exist and you will create, is a market you can monopolize and do whatever with it as you see it fit

Instead of fighting over an existing market with competition for scraps, it's always infinitely better to invest and make market out of thin air. It's red waters vs blue waters.

>>78937452
Cancer is hard to deal with. My condolences.

>>78915720
make me

>>78943434
Saving this post for future, well written out.

>>78915720
My biggest issue with Justice is that I don't see myself watching most of them over an archive of my oshi. When I asked Cover to throw us a bone, I was hoping for better shipping in Europe and Holo JP appearances at EU cons, not for vtubers to replace who I'm currently watching. At least we're getting JP members at a con soon.

Maybe I'll watch an hour of Cecilia's streams, but her schedule is not exactly prime time in my country.

>>78943434
/thread
JP corpos in general are so bad expanding overseas. That is why the best ones to sell games with japanese art, are actually the chinese.

>>78919482
What metric... dollars?

>>78951855
>At least we're getting JP members at a con soon.
Really?
https://hololivemeet.hololivepro.com/eventschedule/
All I see are Chinese and Muslim regions scheduled.

>>78953629
CCV you retard

>>78953667
Isnt that just meet and greets? but probably means france japan con

>>78943434
None of the issues I brought up are not resolvable, its more than hypothetically doable given what resources Cover has at their disposal. I didn't bring them up because they are insurmountable issues, simply the fact there's a lot more hurdles to such an expansion that people like to handwave away and pretend Cover doesn't like making money. What would happen in reality going by their track record is more than likely heavy mismanagement and misallocation of resources. I'll just say this again, Cover didn't earn their place in the market because they were competently run, they lucked out in the most literal sense hiring the right talents at the right time when everyone was stuck at home with limited entertainment options and they still very nearly failed right out of the gate. There's a very prevalent form of survivorship bias in businesses that the general public isn't aware of, because from an outside perspective it looks like they have all the tools to succeed but just never took the steps to do so. The ones who do try and fail you just never hear about again. Also with the advertising thing, since I've actually watched Wawa talk about it, is the fact that most of EU won't even give you the light of day the moment you bring up vtubing in any official capacity. Unless this somehow changes you won't be seeing any serious advertising happening in EU anytime soon, and I don't see Cover being diplomatic enough to make that happen.
>>78946226
Yes kiddo, the market is totally out there and no one has had the bright idea yet to capture all the oh so claimed paypigs that are frothing at the mouth to throw money at you, you definitely were the first to come up with such a novel concept. Now gtfo since you actually have zero idea about how a large business is run. There's so many goddamn hurdles that oblivious idiots like you don't even know exist yet alone understand. Oh woe is me Cover simply refuses to take this market that no one has managed to get a foothold in, but surely with my anecdotal experiences I know better. I swear some of you idiots actually believe vtubing is going to take over the world forgetting the reality about how small your sphere of influence actually is

>>78956358
>hololive Meet is hololive production’s brand that covers our activities such as stage events, convention activities, booth exhibitions, and other types of collaborations

>>78954300
Irrelevant

>>78915954
This. This is your problem. You can't make a time for yourself to even watch the girls and then fucking complaining in all threads.

>>78966596
>>78932227