/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

What's a ligger?

Hololive only grows stronger!

It's already happened. From the same friend group no less.

whats the issue?
Bae was a literal 2view

>>78853560
I don't mind, as long as they're cute girls

>>78853604
A ligger is a groomer, schizo and pedophile rolled into one.

>hololive's lauded talent scouting program has devolved from finding nobodies and non-vtubers and elevating them into /lig/'s sloppy seconds
Grim

Ok? It's fine. Biboo was a 2view, Bae was a 2view. It's not like this is anything inherently new. Both have been fine enough so far and I'm hopeful.

>>78853560
A decent portion of Holos were 3view Twitch indies before they joined. I've seen Zen collab and interact with many of their PLs before they joined over the years.

>>78853795
Biboo was a 3view, Bae was an actual 2view

>>78853604
Twitch ethots

>>78853849
sorry time in /#/ has corroded all my counting smaller than 4 digits

>>78853604
Hybrid offspring of a male lion and a female tiger

>>78853560
whores will never belong in hololive
i hope they graduate in a year
>>78853604
twitch whores

>>78853604
someone who watches based chuuba’s

Yeah, Justice didn't do as well as expected.

>>78853871
>>78854223
Cecilia is as pure as the driven snow

Half of Myth qualified as a "liggers".

>>78854510
>twitch thot
>pure
LMAOOOOOOOO
kill yourself

>>78854510
Shondo is not pure.

>>78853833
Zen is the queen maker of vtubers

>>78853604
Large Indie General GER

>>78854556
Can't find a single thing on her
You tried
Cope & Seethe

>>78853604
ligma balls

>>78854456
They averaged like 120k views, are you high?

>>78853560
Didn't Mumei fit into the ligger category?

man if cecilia makes some of you guys scream whore you'd meltdown from some of the shit that goes on in /lig/

>>78854761
Numbers aren't everything.

>>78854605
Took a lot of leeching and stepping over others to get that title

>>78854769
Mumei would have if /lig/ existed when she was indie

>>78854771
/lig/ is a containment thread.

>>78853560
Rather, how do /lig/gers feel about them joining Hololive and leaving them and their old fanbase behind?

>>78853560
How do (you) feel been a reject ?

>>78854870
So would Gura.

>>78854811
sister's last cope

>>78853604
LIGMA

>>78854547
No? Only 1 was a ligger, 2 were a 2-view, 1 fleshtuber and 1 didn't even stream

>>78853871
But enough about the nijiclique

suck my ligger

>>78853604
steve jobs

>>78854960
In the case of Raora most of the liggers are indifferent. Even when she was /lig/ she was more or less well liked by everyone except the saruei fans and was more or less an afterthought except in discussion with her old Vtuber Artist Guild. In the Case of Cecilia, /lig/ it a bit more divided. A lot of posters are happy for her and that she made it and understand she wants to make a legit career here in the biggest stage, but there's also a vocal faction of people being upset she made that decision to leave people behind to move on to something bigger. Over time they'll probably just settle into a peaceful indifference.

>>78853560
Holobronies will watch anything with a blue dorito slapped on it

>>78854223
Hate to break it to you but the entirety of EN (apart from maybe the dogs) count as whores under your insane definition.

>>78853560
What a coincidence that they all know each other, right? It's starting to smell like nepotism or something.

>>78853604

Oh so NOW poaching is good, okay yeah

>>78856116
It's okay when hololive does it

>>78856116
It's not poaching when they sign up themselves.

Yeah, I guess it'd be much better to just scalp talents from other agencies. That's far more honorable.

Fuck off.

>>78855730
Vtubers and anitubers all know each other.

>>78853604
lig ma ballz

>>78853560
why do people pretend that the majority of holojp were just the same thing but on nnd

>>78855314
Why do saruei fans hate her?

>>78857473
Because they were? Did you forget to put a "not" somewhere in your sentence?

>>78857588
Nta but I'm pretty sure he did.

Seethe more sister, it fills my soul

Reminder that all whores are forgiven once the enter Hololive.

>>78858024
tell that to the shiori and baubau antis.

>>78858024
That's the JP viewer motto, after all.
If the hololive character doesn't do it, it never happened.

>>78858176
That is correct, and there is no valid argument against it. Bringing up what they did in their PL or RM is literal schizo behavior

>>78858769
I personally think it's very valid because it explicitly shows the vtuber's willingness and ability to match their behavior to the situation/role.

https://youtu.be/yt1VjV4a2Dg

>>78853560
here is a thing, /lig/gers watch hololive. always have been. rarely anyone only watches twitch.
The only thing that stung was having to not watch your fav tuber for 3+ months and knowing that they will more rarely collab with their old indie friends but overall we're cool

>>78859028
Again, as long as they are able to keep their private lives and Holo personas separate there is no issue whatsoever. They're not paid to play the Hololive character 24/7, only on streams/official events. The parasocial animals that insist otherwise doesn't change this.

>>78854960
not a ligger, but I'd be pretty bittersweet at best if one of my chuubas joined hololive. For one, Holofags really just don't understand the appeal of a chuuba you can regularly interact with, and that's something that'd be lost instantly. they'd also almost certainly have to alter their content-- not like a complete overhaul or anything, but more than enough to make it feel inauthentic as a long-time fan. being a holo means you need to be inoffensive and corporately professional as humanly possible or else you end up with a schizo population greater than their entire pre-holo fanbase, and I really just would never want them to deal with that. there would obviously be a big improvement in their ability to do large scale projects, but their everyday content would suffer for it. and i'd worry being in "the big league" would make them worry about noombers more.

Nina was controversial before entering Nijisanji. Once she entered Niji, she became one of the best NijiENs.
Quit yer doomposting

>>78853560
I’m happy for them and wish them all the best, why?

>>78853560
The original and one of the biggest liggers at the time joined hololive. So...

>>78860412
>Once she entered Niji
Holy revisionism. Everyone hated her until she pretty much did what she wanted at the end of her Niji career.

>>78855314
>Saruei hates her
She’s my favorite now

>>78860203
if they got in its because they were already professional enough, those who need heavy wrangling can't even get in to begin with

>>78861599
i don't think you understood what i wrote. i hope you're not imagining I'm saying they need to be told not to bring up palestine on stream and argue about social justice whatever. i'm saying i don't want them to be put in a position where they have to be overly restrained with everything they do lest they become the "discourse" of the day. i don't want to watch HR reps, and fixating on making sure you're being as inoffensive as possibly necessarily interferes with the quality of a performance. there is a THIN line for holos between "zomg she said peepee poopoo how subversive and brave for the setting!!' and "WTF SHE SAID POOPOO PEEPEE WHAT A FUCKING TWITCH WHORE"
being a holo means CONSTANTLY walking on eggshells, but a whole lot of those eggshells are invisible. just ask haachama.

>>78853560
i want to kill myself

>>78854573
it's not Shondo, retard.
>Verification not required.

>>78860412
Only the sisters loves her

>>78862318
If they have Houshou Marine's charisma they'll know how to deal with it and get away with it

>>78862417
Signs are saying otherwise

>>78857569
TLDR: They've gotten into two very public dust ups on art twitter, once pre vtubing and another when Saruei was being raked over the coals for being a bitch to people participating in her art contest. It was kind of petty in both cases on both sides if i'm being honest

>>78862702
Your signs are fucking retards and should be shot.

>>78862591
IDK how JP fags act, but i know perfectly well how EN fags act. mass popularity also necessarily means a fickler fanbase that's willing to suddenly turn & shit on you for less. just look at the absolute fucking mongoloids on this board arguing about whether or not it's okay to wish a coworker a happy birthday just because they're male.

>>78863102
this

>>78853560
I do no research and barely know anyone's PLs so I have no opinion on them for another half hour or so until the debut starts
I just like the cute girls on the stream

>>78853560
Don't care about HoloEn as a group, I'm content with my oshi. I see no reason to go out of my way to watch inferior twitch hoes just because they were scouted by a retarded management team composed of trannies, furries, and all other kinds of mentally ill, unlikable, subhuman filth.

>>78854573
>>78862702
It was established back in the announcement sticky who all four are, and none of them are Shondo.

>>78863210
Thats the normal and correct way of things. Don't let the terminally online faggots tell you otherwise

>>78858769
>>78860075
you use words wrong alot

>>78853849
>Bae was an actual 2view
That explains a lot.

>>78855600
>apart from maybe the dogs
They streamed on Twitch pre-GGN

>>78853849
>Biboo was a 3view

I feel like it’ll be like 2045 and holofags will have still not realized that every single random 3 view is as good or better than their favorite chuuba’s

>>78853604

>>78853560
It fucking sucks because these whores don't get the vtubing culture and their fans are just regular twitch fans, not vtubing fans
check /lig/, they post normalfag twitter memes and talk about IRL stuff all the time

>>78853560
I never watched them before but I wish them the best of luck and I'm happy for them I guess.

>>78853849
Bae was almost 1view fancing a 15ccv average

>>78853604

>>78863132
jpfags are arguably worse
see: marine & miko putting a BL doujin in a fridge

>>78862436
Meds

>Twitch whores
Don't care. They are now beholden to me and my whims. I need to be entertained.

>>78866071
>It fucking sucks because these whores don't get the vtubing culture
what's the problem, then? hololive is about as disconnected from the broader vtubing culture as you can get.

>>78853689
so was Biboo

>>78866448
well that pretty directly contradicts the anon who i was replying to who used marine as their example. regardless, i don't think there's any meaningful argument to "holos are constantly walking on eggshells and many of those eggshells are outright invisible and i don't really want my chuubas to deal with that".

>>78853560
im not a past life drama queen faggot so not much

>>78853560
>How do you feel about two liggers being in Hololive?
Old models were cuter

You know it's kind of hard to tribalfag against Indies. It's like the US (Hololive) vs. Vietnam (Liggers); it just doesn't work out as intended, so I don't know why morons are trying to push this narrative of pitting them against each other.

>>78867678
it's that awkward time of year where holofags have to acknowledge the uncomfortable reality that quality vtubers exist outside of their bubble.
makes them behave a little bit better for a little while though so i'm not complaining.

>>78865131
Dont reply to me if you have nothing to say

>>78853560
I dont klow what ligger is

>>78868684
lurk moar newfag

>>78862436
meds
The sisters literally call their group 3thyria because they don't acknowledge Nina as part of nijiEN

>>78853604
/lig/ thread

>>78860651
Everyone either liked her or didn't feel strongly about her at all aside from the sisters who foamed at the mouth over her heavy NijiMale collab arc

>>78854556
Are you complaining that she was on twitch? So were all the other ENs. I don't understand.

>>78853560
Tell me when they poach someone from /asp/ like VAllure did.

Well at least /lig/ got to keep Grimmi

>>78853759
wow shes just like us!

>>78853560
I am happy for everyone who gets into Hololive. I love to see people succeed in this industry regardless of where they came from.

>>78876540
Do you love to see people succeed in this industry regardless of where they work?

>>78853560
>9-10 CEST
Finaly

>>78875403
For now.

>>78866522
Just like all of EN!

>>78875403
isnt good enough for Nijisanji, isnt good enough for Hololive.

>>78853604
Jottem lmaoooooooo

Who the fuck is the green one? i swear her voice is super familiar.

>>78853657
game peep game

>>78855136
It's amazing how the non-streamer one turned one 100x times better than every single other girl shilling herself /here/ shamelessly. The chances of Holo getting another one of those rough gems again is ZERO because they now ask for a lengthy trajectory to even be properly considered at all.

>>78868001
No... it's that time of year where you idiots have to acknowledge that your 2views are ultimately at the mercy of branding, and they'll sell out in a second for the almighty dollar. And guess what? All the twitch faggotry that they're all known for and do, is banned in the contract they just signed. We quite literally poach your girls every year.

>>78884964
oh, sweetheart, my darling holo sweetheart
you aren't nearly as good at selling the idea of poaching as phasefags are

>>78879730
The bean gal

>>78886235
is the bean gal not fauna with her disgusting vegan farts

>>78885723
>pool of decent/semi decent indies getting smaller and smaller
Yeah, smells like winning to me.

>>78866357
Based rat living the dream now

I was busy playing video games so i missed the green one. what did I miss?

>>78889183
Actually fantastically talented, creative, and very cute. Only real stand-out member of the entire gen.

>>78859028
That's a good point. Discussions about PLs should be allowed (and basically are at this point let's be real) for the simple fact that it's a litmus test of how well they can play a character. Of course there's some elements of the real person but there's also things they can't say that they otherwise would be open about as indies, and that internal struggle is interesting and should be talked about.

>>78889183
easily the best debut out of 4 go check the vod

>>78853560
>>78855314
>>78886235
I love it :) the coffee hater truly is in a better place - and now I can wake up again to comfy morning streams :3 chat is gonna feel different, hopefully the channel stays cozy
>>78867551
old model def top tier and a shame it didn't see much light, but at least this new one doesn't look too shabby!
>>78889452
If I must oshi a hololive, she is clearly the one! along with koronesan

>>78868001
"makes them behave a little bit better"? so do holofag usually go around saying all indie suck or something? atmost i see ppl complaining the indie SCENE is pisspool, never ppl saying indie don't have talent. hololive recruit talent from indie all the time.

>>78891372
Women operate best with strict rules and being told what to do

>>78891372
At best you get retards who say "I'm sure there are good non-holos out there, but I trust the company to dig through the dumpster for me to find the diamonds since I can't do it myself for some reason" without realizing that they're literally in the dumpster right now.
more often you get retards like >>78891656 though

>>78892003
Shut up male feminist

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>>78853560
>/lig/gers trying to pretend they liked either of these girls when they were almost never discussed in the thread
pathetic

>>78893928
not giving you my IP

great, they both seem really good
i don't give a shit about their past once they step into Hololive, never did, never will

>>78891372
holo is boring af

>>78862702
ah yes, I'm sure if it was her she'd post this
https://twitter.com/goodgirlshadow/status/1804712941142319526
Retard

>>78853560
If you care about anything before entering holo, you're a fucking jew, this is the beginning of their careers, their past lives are irrelevant.

>>78893943
Yunii was whatever but bean was literally on their divegrass team

>>78853560
>Two Liggers
>One Gigger
And One Homonigger

>>78854605
*king

>>78856116
Yagoo poaching our 4chan chuubas

>>78853560
any affiliation to hanamori?

>>78853560
It feels like a great chef forced to work at Mcdonalds and forced to serve exactly as how other workers would have done it