/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holosongs.com/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://www.nijiuta.com/

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

>>78799125
the second and third option are mostly pushed by shitposters who think they are being hilarious, same deal as >>78798469, with a sprinkling of genuine nijiniggers trying to spin a win out of this

Female Vox?

>actual sister got in EN
do you guys consider bae as a sisters?

How did Advent do it? A perfect generation.

>>78799125
Gigi just seems like a waste of a slot. What the fuck is she going to do? Biboo already does gaming, Bae does the stupid voice better, Ame is la Creatividad, Fauna already handles the same timeslot, and Gura is the dumbass who can't do math. She's a wasted slot because she brings nothing to the table.

Why are homobeggars more interested in trying to mass convert the holo unicorn audience to their homos rather than trying to get new audiences like twitch/niji cucks to watch them?

>>78799250
I was too harsh on you ladies

yo korone had an announcement in this stream what was it? was it that she was doing debut watchalongs for EN?

>>78799250
>>78799260
ADVENT PROMISE LOVE

>>78799250
>>78799221
is she retarded? why would she tweet that on main?

>>78799250
MURIN

>>78799250
we didn't know how good we had it with Advent until Justice came

>>78799296
There's a difference between homobeggar and starmin. You can see from her behavior which's which.

>>78799296
Bae is a genuine homofan who only cares about the JP fags. She couldn't give less of a shit about the EN side

>>78799318
The twitch audience finds the homos annoying and/or not entertaining.

>>78799315
Ame doesn't stream.

>>78799315
>Ame is la Creatividad
Ame is fucking dead

>>78798116
You only change the formula and seek a new audience when business isn't thriving as much as it used to, homoshit has never been successful and has only had negative effects on Hololive. Retard.

>>78799324
tree merch I think

>>78799332
Because she doesn't give a fuck. What's the worst management will do? It was based of her to call Eileen out like that

>>78799315
This but Elizabeth

>>78799324
Merch

>>78799296
Bae actually cares about hololive and being and idol
she may be bad but not as bad as red whore

>>78799125
you have to understand that first impression is extremely crucial. In this case, majority of people's first imrpession towads this justice branch is ERB being a typical homobeggar sister that ignores every pain that Hololive has to went through to get to this point. No matter how good Gigi is, the impression toward the branch is already negative at that point.

>>78799332
No woman is immune from having woman moments

Advent love

I just fucking realized that Elizabeth the supposed SJW activist tumblrite has to also deal with the fact that Advent has the two confirmed religious members whose families have Mormons and fucking Free Masons.
https://youtu.be/7KpRoZhoOmU?si=DhbCMqYP8DeH7m5U

>>78799324
You mean the Tree kun merch?
https://shop.hololivepro.com/products/inugamikorone_treekungoods

>>78799332
She's an autistic woman

>>78799296
>do you guys consider bae as a sisters?
As much as I don't like Bae, she seems to be genuine stars fan, and she knows not to bring them on collab streams. (with the exception of that collab with Fauna).
ERB will most likely mention stars at their gen collabs, probably at En collabs as well

>>78799382
did you forget how much numbers mixed gender collabs get? Elizabeth will beat FWMC to 1 million on the backs of a bunch of pseudo-activist voyeur weirdos if she makes bois collabs her bread & butter. this will cause a ripple effect and the fencesitters will come over to her way of thinking

>>78799296
People freaking out about Elizabeth forget that what made 2022 so catastrophic was that literally HALF of the active EN talents were collabing with males. That just isn't the case anymore nor will it ever be again. There are simply too many CGDCT ENs now, and the ones that still support the males simply don't have enough influence to do anything. Vesper and Magni pissing Mori off was honestly the final nail in the coffin for Tempus. Kronii is simply too apathetic to deal with backlash anymore, Ame for all intents and purposes is soft retired, and Bae really only gives a fuck about JP stars at the end of the day. So what are people afraid of? Elizabeth will be on her crusade alone.

>>78799354

all you retards who were saying that elden ring was going to be some kind of giga buff need to turn in your balls and numberfagging lisence

>>78799413

How would you feel if ERB ask who their favourite holostar in justice collab?

>>78799375
>Ame is la muerta

>>78799296
I don't think she is even close to Bae in the way of handling things well.

>>78799318
because the goal is not to make homostar popular. Their goal is to destroy hololive.

Ok but which Tempus / armis that has a lot of gachis? Do they also hate it if their homo collab with the girls?

Okay, ERB is definitely a homobeggar rather than a homofan, but do you think there's any hope that she grows out of it like the homobeggars in EN eventually did?

>>78799318
Because it was never about helping Homos grow

>>78799332
there's a reason she deleted it anon

>>78799414
>Cover now has connection to the Yakuza, the Indonesian media cabal, the korean mafia, and the freemasons

>>78799400
>being and idol
>does VCR shit

>>78799315
Give her a minute, sheesh. You haven't even seen her content yet, none of us have.
HoloEN has plenty of room for new girls. We need more event and collab organizers, for one. And HoloEN fans love random creative non-game streams, like Mumei used to do her rants and shit, that was popular and unique.

>>78799449
I'm more interested in their reaction.

>>78799423
> constant beggar Rex interactions
100% gonna happen

>>78799445
Tourists are spread too thin.

>>78799474
that or she crashes and burns like ollie and never learns

>>78799482
She shouldn't have made it in the first place. It's unprofessional.

I think someone is owed an apolocheese by people in this thread

Isn't this kinda bad for NijiEN?
It's like HoloEN is rubbing salt on their wound by just looking at the support when a new group debuts in Hololive. 100+k viewers on the debutant channel, 35k+ viewers on a watch-a-long. Even Korone got like 20k+ viewers and she's primarily JP.
Doesn't help that the two last Justice girls are somewhat popular in the indie circles.

That's kinda fucked up to see. I honestly don't know how NijiEN will bounce back at all.

My neurons are fired up.
>COVER has a global expansion ambition
>that means you have to get as many people to consoom your products as possible
>and you have to gain as many loyal Holofans as possible
>and you already have the potential to gain both male and female audience
>that means more reason to do a hard segregation between Hololive and Holostars to focus on each of their target audience

>>78799474
She's a hag in her mid-30s. She's too old to change her ways

>>78799449
>Oh? My favorite star in hololive?

>>78799332
>is she retarded? why would she tweet that on main?
If you don't know about her past, this tweet seems like some kayfabe posting aboiut personal problems. And I think most of her viewers don't know who she was before Hololive - it's not like she's Mori, Kiara or Ina

>>78799474
She'll be the oily of EN4

>>78799457
RUNESCAPE WHEN WOMAN!?

>>78799473
Bettel, Shinri, Altare, don't know about the rest

>>78799423
If she does that I can definitely see most of the girls just stonewalling collabs with her

I'm convinced that the new "image vs user" trend on twitter is a psyop to trick retards into exposing themselves

>>78799537
don't worry
ERB will destroy hololive from the inside

>>78799414
Forget that she has to deal with SNOT's antics

>>78799529
My grudge for that birthday thing is going to be awhile

>>78799250

>>78799296
I don't like Bae because she's pro-homo but like others said, it's trueblood fan vs literal beggar. Bae loves the homos (eugh), ERB loves owning the homo haters.

>>78799474
>grows out of it like the homobeggars in EN eventually did?
But they never did. They just turned straight into Holoantis

>>78799494
Once a runt, always a runt. Bae and Shiori do a ton of creative streams all the time like the Vegemite Challenge and Unity game, but that has done nothing to change everyone's perception of them. They still get the worst numbers in EN by far and Gigi will just have to cope when she joins them down there

>>78799550
no no no
i mean holostar the other branch of hololive

>>78799474
Bae is a homofan
ERB is a homobegger
homobeggars never stop, never learn, would rather destroy and burn everything around them, they are activists with an agenda

>>78799440
majority of the fanbase are tired ojiisans who just wanted to be left alone. ERB brought back the old scar that most of the fans don't want to experience ever again. That's why people are pissed.

>>78799436
Yeah like Bae amr?
Ollie and Kobo didn't get over a million from Homo collabs those two got that high because they kept associating with big ass ecelebs.

>>78799528
Meh, it was a vaguepost quickly moved on from.

>>78799473
Lets said that she have something in common with AZKI

>>78799267
Second opinion could be a matter of preference and here is something which is often understated, with a preface
>The GREATEST strength of Hololive is the shared audience and the interpersonal relationship between the girls
Wanna know why people refrain, even in this retarded thread, for the most part, from expressing discontent about this or that Holo girl?
>because they’re “in the box” and friends with their oshi who likes them and vouches for them

Wanna know why that second opinion
>yeah, ERB and Gigi were not great but maybe day 2 would be better
was thrown much more casually this time that it would be otherwise?
Because with ERB positioning herself explicitly “outside the Holo box” so far there was no reason to “circle the wagons” and “protect ALL girls” and people will just naturally go from caring about the box
>which this times seems not to exist for ERB
and just support their oshi and their friends a and look at the other girls (these new girls) with critical eyes instead of with “the eyes of love”.
Without the sense of a “shared audience” (and ERB positioned herself “above” the need for one) each new girl will have to survive on her own merit with her own audience. This weakens their gen

>>78799474
About as DOA as they come

>>78799473
Bettel lost sisters when he did the barbie watchalong with bae and shinri. He got baited by beggars and got gotted.

>>78799315
What a fucking retarded post.
How is more of a good thing bad? Not every single holo needs to be perfectly unique.

>>78799620
I'm talking about the actual holos themselves, not 'fans'.

I truly, honestly think that you all have the same exact problem modern politics have, where you can't stop using the same stupid language that immediately turns away anybody who would have agreed with you. You make all the right arguments with all the right points but can't stop using "homocollaber" or "HomoEN" and suddenly you've immediately pushed the people outside of here into calling you an incel who's insecure about the very idea of your oshi talking to a man.

People would easily agree with your points on the problems of people adopting the Stars solely as a vector to shit on Hololive, or that you just don't like watching them and shouldn't be obligated by them and their communities to watch them anyway, but you sound like such faggots that they shut down the second you blurt out your /vt/-approved terminology.

So, you guys are telling me that ERB may not handle the Holostars problem with maturity despite her supposed age?
t. raised in an Asian society where "the old" are supposed to be more wise

>>78799439
It's been so long since an A Way Out stream, I'm excited

>>78799474
We've never had an actual homobeggar in EN before. Mori and Kronii didn't care about them that way they just like hanging out with guys, Bae only cares about StarsJP, Ame fucking died

This chick put BETTEL and Ollie in her debut. She's a real deal beggar

>>78798329
holy shit unicorns are delusional. Biboo refers to advent when Erb says she wants to sing with everyone and unicorns push the narrative that Erb doesn't want to collab with advent

>>78799491
She more than makes up for it in other idol activities sister, you lack object permanence

>>78799318
>Why are homobeggars more interested in trying to mass convert the holo unicorn audience to their homos
The real answer is that, the real homobeggars (not just the ones who want to use it as a vector to anti hololive) do not BELIEVE in a significant unicorn audience. To their mind unicorns are the real minority, homo enjoyers are the temporarily unaware of their preference majority. They just need to be shilled the boys...one more time!

>>78799296
Clearly Bae is an OG starmin AND a Hololive fan.

>>78799563
>If she does that I can definitely see most of the girls just stonewalling collabs with her
If rest of her gen will be CGDCT (as they seem to be right noiw), she'll probably wil get invited only for mandated collabs (announcements, 3d collabs, etc.)

>>78799494
Stop biting baits from obvious homoniggers.

>>78799267
speaking of which
Predictions?

>>78799332
She was sad and wanted to vent. Why do you think she deleted it? And no I don't think it was management that made her delete it.

I see we're in the
>Holo doesnt NEED to hire good talent
phase. Tribalism is a hell of a thing

>>78799672
either tldr it or no one going to read it
too long

>>78799296
Bae is no sister. She had a JP holostars oshi and watched their streams. This chick doesn't watch streams from the sound of it, just clips.

>>78799730
She's still retarded

>>78799315
>Please attack Gigi to!!
Kill yourself, vermin.

>>78799703
Being an idol is more about singing and dancing, imbecile.

If anyone here is a TTRPGfaggot, I think there's value in this comparison:
>Bae, despite being considered this prime homobeggar girl for a while, was basically a Ventrue
>Liz showed up and taught people what a Malkavian really looks like

>>78799689
no western women of any age can be considered "wise"
not even most western men can be considered it because of all the mindrot

>>78799449
That would be a dick move honestly and make me actually dislike her

>>78799627
>Once a runt always a runt PIEN PIEN

>>78799713
>Hololive fan
Even though it's true, some anons don't like it when you bring that up despite her constantly saying her Kamioshi is Subaru

>>78799736
TLDR: if you want actual holofags to support you you need to find a way to express your points without sounding like a sperg

>>78799691
GurAme a way out was peak but TimeRyS shenanigans was fantastic too

>destroy hololive?
>ez peasy

>>78799250

>>78799315
Gigi still has potential. She tried making her debut fun and interactive with chat polls and mini game. It might have not worked super well, but it was something different. The voice might be a bit odd, but nothing that can't be polished. I don't think I will watch her much if she streams so close to Fauna (and so late for EU), but she had an ok start.

>>78799665
Because she's entering an already crowded scene with nothing to help herself stand out. She'll have to cannibalise off of existing fanbases while standing in the shadows of not only her more popular Senpais, but her more popular genmates too. Nobody is excited about Gigi. Don't kid yourself

>>78799672
Anyone that speaks like that outside of here is a containment breaking faggot and is treated as such.
Anyone that comes here thinking 4chan is sunshine and lollipops is a retard and treated as such

>>78799764
Can I get that in Naruto terminology?

>>78799735
The small corpo sphere can have Kanna Yanagi as a treat

>>78799736
tl:dr you're a faggot lol

>>78799799
Try to not destroy yourself first

>>78799672
Negro you are on 4chins, where words such as "negro" are thrown around lightly, any containment breaker using those terms is either underage or a false flagger, people use proper english outside of here you tard.

>>78799755
yeah but aren't retarded girls the cutest?

>>78799789
>TLDR: if you want actual holofags to support you you need to find a way to express your points without sounding like a sperg
Helmite is doing it and yet beggars (and so-called normie Holofans) shit on him for this

>>78799689
Britbong hags are people like JK Rowling.

>>78799764
Speaking of TTRPG, do you think we'll get anything between Gigi, Fauna and Mori now that there are three people who actually like tabletop stuff in EN now

>>78799672
>You make all the right arguments with all the right points but can't stop using "homocollaber" or "HomoEN" and suddenly you've immediately pushed the people outside of here into calling you an incel who's insecure about the very idea of your oshi talking to a man.
Nobody gives a fuck. It’s not people don’t say the same thing about ANYONE posting on 4chan, for all intents r9k is the representative of ALL of the posters here for what the outside world can understand.
The truth is the truth no matter how people elsewhere perceive it.

>>78799762
and that was my point retard?

>>78799672
Tourists didn't suffered the homo menace.
Just like IDfags keep begging for new gen but shut the fuck up at the notion of a homoID.

>>78799672
This is why when I'm in my real life spaces, or even just online in other places, I use much more acceptable language and much more reasonable argumentation and people basically agree with me.
I only use the terminology from here, IN here. Because I'm capable of separating my "/#/ self" from my other selves. Like a normal person.
Code switching should be a standard class in modern day education.

>>78799440
It's her potential, anon. What if she tries to FORCE homocollabs through management? She probably thinks she's that powerful, even if she is only little people. She's going to constantly be bringing them up in conversation, and ruining the atmosphere of any collab that she's in. I also think some anons are thinking that she has the potential to make Nerissa and Shiori potentially slip, even if I don't personally think so. Best case scenario is that she gets a reality check early on that what she's doing isn't making anybody that matters happy, but the best case scenario I can actually believe in is that she learns to shut up about them whenever she isn't alone, and lets herself wither while the rest of the gen thrives.

>>78799799
the only thing she is going to destroy is herself
And I will be there. Every step of the way.

>>78799727
50k. Only bots for Kuzuha right now

Don't know if it is a discord groups doing but seeing the constant 'elitist' mindset of Cecillia's fans, I have decided she will never be my oshi as I can't be part of such awful fans. I will just stick to Ina and takos are still one of the most well behaved and comfy fanbase here.

I really hope they are falseflaggers and not another sapling fanbase clone shitting on other girls and fanbases.

>>78799842
So what "idol activities" does Bae do that make up for her male collabing?

>>78799315
>Ame is la Creatividad
Ame never streams. I guess Gigi can take the Creatividad roll from Ame?

>>78799764
Rrat is more of a Toreador but I understand the Ventrue comparison.

>>78799823
One is a pure blood while the other is a mental nutcase.

>>78799803
No way shiori's shori's are that big

>>78799689
Google "activist"

>>78799736
tl;dr The reason nobody listens to /vt/ about the obvious problems between Hololive and Holostars is because you all can't stop using your special /vt/-approved homo names for them.

>>78799537
I'm telling you, the whole hobby has grown stale despite the numbers on debut that means nothing on the long-term - that was the same formulaic shit we've been through for years now, there was no originality whatsoever in the debuts. That doesn't help there was few to no hype on this gen at all to begin with and even if the doll might end-up as being the sole bright star of Justice, that gen is just painfully mediocre. I don't care about the homo dick sucking at all, they just are mediocre. That doesn't exonerate the other corpos to to do the same, because they're equally as mediocre (looking at you NijiEN).

>>78799315
I like gigi, the bong cunt can die in her corner.

>>78799852
>What if she tries to FORCE homocollabs through management?

Anon management can't even force them to do sponsor streams. The second they try and force a collab is probably a "someone gets fired or the company implodes" moment

>>78799852
>What if she tries to FORCE homocollabs through management? She probably thinks she's that powerful,
Anon, you’re fantasizing as hard as a homobeggar. Maybe you are one?

>>78799672
No one is going outside of here proselytizing using those words. In fact barely anyone negatively discussed homoEN out of here. The fuck you talking about? It's like saying anti immigration will never be a popular stance because people use slurs on /pol/ when talking about it.

>>78799672
Neh I tried being polite and rational during the peak Tempiss drama. Tried explaining to the sisters that I'm just a fan who likes a specific kind of content, said content only provided by Hololive, and that I'd be sad if it changed direction and turned just like their competitor, NijiEN.
Got called a schizo unicorn incel and told to seethe about it.
There is no arguing with them.

I would genuinely love to know what Mr. CGDCT's thoughts were here

Justice subs
3 hours after first 2 debuts

>>78799852
>What if she tries to FORCE homocollabs through management?
that already happened it was called Holizontal and it failed. Even Homocollaber Towa outright said that management was retarded and they arent doing it again

>>78799840
>Speaking of TTRPG, do you think we'll get anything between Gigi, Fauna and Mori now that there are three people who actually like tabletop stuff in EN now
I would love some TTRPG collab with people who wants to do it, so it won't follow path the Mythbreakers took.
Maybe someone from Advent would be up for it? Biboo or Shiori?

>>78799672
yeah, see the replies to the recent reddit posts regarding the botting to see this, it's clear that there is a general sentiment against homobeggars who are using them as a cudgel to attack hololive, but are turned off from expressing it because they don't want to be associated with 4chan incels and only blew up after the homobeggars overplayed their hand

>>78799836
actually helmite regularly gets support from general holofags

>>78799828
>>78799789
>>78799904
>all of them have different tldr
so...
which one do i trust

>>78799889
>somehow made it about saplings
Kill yourself

>>78799943
Is it grim or nah

>>78799823
Niggas be like
>DAMN, those Uchiha niggas be CRAZY yo, Itachi is truly the WORST KINDA NIGGA
but get all quiet when a REAL NIGGA shows up to bat like MADARA

>>78799755
Yeah but thats why we like her

>>78799852
She’s 100% gonna bring them up whenever possible in the inevitable “Advent vs Justice” collabs just to spite the dogs

>>78799954
this one
>>78799828

>>78799812
You're an obvious shitstirrer, but I will agree that Gigi is probably the most boring debut I've seen in a while. Time can only tell how she grows her content, but as of now she's not exactly on the top of my list. She's currently, "will watch if she's on and there isn't anyone else to watch" for me.

>>78799934
It will be extremely funny if he got outmaneuvered internally and some retard released a gen that crashed and burned

>>78799943
>gigi
unironically what was Jap thinking? If I was Mint I would be seething.

>>78799904
Oh yeah, we should use words like "whoring" and "inferior sex" to refer to the girls like the beggars do on reddit and twitter.

>>78799672
We are on 4chan, you dimwit retard. Of course we'll use hostile language, it's part of the package. Anyone who's inacable of translating their 'tard hat' into a normal one shouldn't be engaging in discourse outside of this site anyways and deserves to be mocked.

>>78799754
Oh yeah, let's talk about all the good things she did in her debut instead
>A Chat Plays Frogger clone that barely worked and lasted way too long
>Constantly calling herself an idiot that made people feel uncomfortable
>A fan vote DnD session that also lasted way too long and was railroaded like mad
>A music video that's only good because she got a good stop motion animator
Wow, what a good hire

>>78799852
you can't do shit especially when you are doa kouhai

>>78799852
>This newbie is going to force Gawr Gura to collab with homos by controlling management
you sound fucking retarded

>>78799852
>Force
She is a newbie, who the fuck can she told around?

>>78799672
I don't even talk about this subject out of here, the musketeers do a good enough job

>>78799841
the issue with this is that you want to get more people on your side, otherwise all you're doing is being a hipster smugly smirking about knowing it all along as everything goes to shit around you

>>78799930
I used to watch Tempus than gradually grew to outright hate homostars after all the shit beggars, dumb and dumber, and the blatant favoritism.

>>78799836
Hot take for this thread but Helmite has fallen off a cliff in terms of usefullness for a while now.
He got too angry and too into "seeking people out for arguments."
His kind was only useful when they were guardian types at the homefront. Going out into the beggar lands and fighting is and was a mistake on his part that has only served to
>draw more shitposters into his areas
>put a target on his head
>significantly harm his mental

>>78799672
Anon... Why do you think that outside of here the term homobeggar is called collabbeggar? Only complete retards can't adjust to environment.

>>78799969
>Yeah but thats why we like her
She's not my cup of tea (her voice filters me) but I'm happy that she found her place in Hololive and is in CGDCT faction

>>78799889
Oh boy the usually comfy EU hours /here/ are going to be so shit now because of the doll's fanbase

>>78800000
>Numbers thread gets the numbers
Awful

>>78799954
1

>>78799805
>She has potential!
>But I'm not gonna watch her tho
You're so different from the sisters

>>78799904
Pretty sure nobody uses /vt/ lingo outside of /vt/.

>>78799972
>Advent v. Justice may or may not be fire but not in the way people can imagine
Just like in the real life FUTBOL!

>>78799840
Would be a good way to break the ice with the new kouhais. Fauna DMing, Mori + Gigi + Cecilia playing. Maybe Pantera, people doompost her but I think she will be fine. No Liz tho, fuck that.

>>78799400
This is a solid point I hadn't really internalized until this new chick. Yeah she filters me, but Bae does clearly care.

>>78799943
Why the fuck are their sub growths so slow? Advent ZOOMES after debut. Elizabeth gained...50k?

>>78799934
Yagoo or the korean guy probaby told him to get a homocollaber
reminder that they can't include most of EN in these cross-promotional things with the homos because most of EN doesn't want to associate with them

>>78799672
The real angle that should be pushed if /#/ actually wants their ideas to be accepted in the mainstream is that homobegging is inherently misogynistic. It's an idea pushed mostly by men in online spaces that talented and successful women are somehow obligated to prop up less talented and successful men, and that if they reject that idea then they're subject to a quite blatantly sexist witch hunt.

>>78799962
it can be spun either way so go nuts

>>78800023
He didn't even mention gura.

>>78799945
>>78799915
>>78800021
Maybe I'm just worried. But years of dealing with woman after woman like that and knowing how they think and act changes you.

>>78799972
>the dogs
You mean ALL of fucking Advent?

>>78800000
>Wow, what a good hire
Yes, she'll need some polishing, but she'll be a great hire - unike ERB

>>78800058
Yes, that's completely different, but nice try.

>>78799890
>full album and an EP
>3D live with a lot of budget put into it
>Idol-esque side gigs like Baegemite and Strawberry farm vlogs
>Steady release schedule
>An idol-like schedule of lifestyle with dance practice 3 times a week and recordings 2 times a week
>Fanservice for fans
>Always willing to step up for musical opportunities by cover
I'm missing some stuff but I don't think I need to elaborate further

>>78800000
What are you even doing? Not going to agree with you since you obviously want to start shit for no reason. Now fuck off.

>>78800059
That hasn't been true for years now. All those containment breaking videos and Twitter accounts like bvtm have done alot of damage

>>78799735
I agree sister, we should shit on holos instead

>>78800073
People were starving for Advent after 2 years of nothing.

>>78799908
Damn just leave then buddy. You are far too hurt over nothing.

>>78799904
Here is a rebuttal
>nobody comes to 4chan for nuanced, civilized, politically approved discussion
>nobody from here goes outside with the same level of language and if they do, they get tagged here with the worst possible moniker: a containment breaker.
Your theory is that if people in this forum talked like they do in the civilized world they would convince more people they’re right.
My rebuttal is that “as heard on 4chan” is a thought terminating expression and nobody that knows what 4chan is will ever take what people here says seriously or on face value.

With that said, “homobeggars” (used through the short “beggars”) already escaped containment long ago AND helped people see what the other two holo related Reddit forums (the homo and the ironic) were doing (actively anti’ing the girls and their audience)

>>78800045
It doesn't help that retards /here/ started following him around and upvoting him everywhere, including in dead threads not monitored by anyone. Homobeggers quickly sussed something was up when some dude in a 3 day deleted thread got 20 fucking upvotes on new comments.

>>78800000
From V4Mirai you could have gotten her genmates that is
Wife experience
JP ASMR experience and a pretty good gamer
A hag that loves old anime, retro games, drinking and building gunpla

You got the least beloved one which is good for V4Mirai fans at least

>>78800000
Absolute waste of a get. GiGi is good, seethe more retard.

>>78800094
you guys say she's like Ollie, has Ollie ever forced a unicorn friendly girl to homocollab?

>>78800051
>usually comfy EU hours /here/

good one, 9/10 bait

>>78799911
You only say that because your only other option is a pile of garbage. I doubt you'd give a fuck about her in a week or two

>>78800075
kek i actually saw someone doing that before but that's because she was an actual feminist

>>78800126
It's a homonigger trying to divert attention from ERB.

>>78800000
wasted get, what a shit post.

>enter numberfag threads

>>78800071
Yeah, Fauna DM'ing one of her little dungeon games or Mori DM'ing another homebrew like the Halloween special would be a great collab idea if they can get Justice on board.

> Through the veil a wish is successfully granted

>>78800169
......

>>78799889
Threads during Justice collabs are going to be so nasty if the pink panther is also going to be considered a 'flop' /here/ and in /grun/

>>78799962
Worse than advent better than regloss
But it doesn't say much.

>>78800000
make one for ERB please

>>78800059
yeah you'd like to believe that wouldn't you?
Unfortunately thanks to bvtm and their ilk this entire site is filled with tourists who think themselves an "epic 4channer" thanks to reading a few screencaps and go around spreading their shit outside here

The fact that ERB didn't put in Kobo in her homo art collection makes me think she's more of a saviorfag than anything.

>>78799672
are you stupid, do you think people /here/ use 4chan lingo outside of here? you know you need to be 18 or older to post here right?

>>78800000
the frogger game was absolutely kino
chat fucking it up and making her scream was funny

>>78800071
You can't have a Fauna dungeon without Mumei

>>78800169
Who wants to tell him

>>78799836
NOBODY like culture war
At some point this thread when from hating it to engaging in it and cheer for it, despite agreeing that Vtubing should not be about culture wars 2 years ago

>Faunaschizo already shitting on the doll
yup, I'm thinking she's the one who will save Justice.

>>78800000
Yeah she'll be like Kaela - forever doomed to irrelevance due to a horrendous debut. Oh wait

>>78800176
I remember that one, and it worked wonders because the homobeggar actually went mask off as someone who hates women.

>>78799981
Has anyone ever improved enough that she went from "Everyone's fifth option" to "Actually entertaining streamer I'd watch"?

>>78800051
>EU hours
>comfy
lol
lmao

>>78800169
fucking newfags

>>78799315
One thing I notice about Gigi, Hololive probably accept her for her for passion and adamant nature.
Yes she has subpar voice, nervous, and so many downsides. But looking at her trying her best to do something is enough. As usual I will never judge people on their first month

>>78799789
Holofags are already on our side. They don't watch the Holostars at all no matter how much it's shoved in their faces, which is a whole fucking lot. They studiously ignore these dudes after years and years of shilling that would make most advertising agencies blush.
Whether they consciously analyze their reasoning for that or not doesn't really matter. They don't like them and don't want to watch them, and we didn't have anything to do with it.

Well, unicorns? Why did the homobeggar btfo cgdct cunny?

>>78800162
>Wife experience
Garbage
>Hag
Garbage
>JP asmr
Garbage

>>78800216
EOPs don't care about Kobo. Zeta and Ollie are far more EOP friendly.

>>78800226
Only some people here think that, and they get shot on sight whenever they try and actively push people to fight about shit

>>78800045
Nah, no person did more to highlight how deranged the beggars audience was than he and the rest of the “visible ones”.
If people have receipts of the beggars being antis, 90% of those were in responses to them so, mission accomplished.

>>78800073
I don't think this group appeals to JOP at all which doesn't help.

>>78800235
Iroha and Nene for me

>>78800162
Would Mariya really be the same without her current model though? Don't get me wrong I really like her but I just can't imagine her with another model

>>78800169
how do we tell him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaN2snk6MAc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaN2snk6MAc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaN2snk6MAc
BASED GOLDEN GEN

so what im getting is, Liz is like ollie nut
>infinitely more talented and a phenomenal singer
>way sexier and pleasant to look at
>cute brit hag voice
>>>>>>>>>>>but at the end of the day, its still Ollie
did I get that right?

>>78800051
More likely, dollCHADS are going to livepost CeCe just like saplings do, and we'll end up with comfy CeCe + Fauna hours

>>78800267
Addition of holostars fanbase?

>>78800275
>puts in oga
Seems pretty clear that she's not trying to pander to some kind of EOP audience and just put in whatever she personally likes.

>>78800227
He's already tried his sapling roleplay into sapling seethe in her thread. Even bringing up this thread there and vice versa.

>>78800000
She streams in FFST which is good enough hire for me

>>78800169
She tried

>>78800305
yeah fair enough

>>78800235
Literally Fauna?

>>78800162
>Got the biggest runt of the whole corpo
Jesus Christ, this is like if Aia joined Hololive

>>78800226
>NOBODY like culture war
Except homobeggers of course.

>>78800169
yes
not only that, she also invited homo eceleb to holo VC

>doxx pink to distracted people from dirty red's Twitter antic
>Shitpost orange to distracted people from red's live debut homobegging
Who could be behind this...

we can all agree liz is the new best en singer right?

>>78799943
Fucking grim but what you expect with homo cock sleeve the stream and boring debut between both of them

>>78799296
you and i have some differences on what makes a sister because that's the wrong sister

>>78800169

>>78800257
This. I personally want to push her because she seems dedicated to the idol journey. I'm never gonna turn away someone like that.

>>78800226
>At some point
yeah, the point when the doxx site got shut down and sisters invaded

>>78800299
boy do I wish I could have read their minds in that moment
also, stop shilling your channel, fag

>>78800166
Quints confirm it, fag. Gigi is a shitty hire and everyone knows it. That's why nobody's talking about her

>>78800365
it's a mystery, we may never know

>>78799852
Oh no what if she drugs and forces the holos into a homo orgy!?!?
At this point you sound like a caricature of a unicorn. Nothing is gonna happen, she'll get worse views when she homocollabs. You can just not watch her.

>>78800365
Niji cucks like you

>>78800305
Ollie would've unironically inclined if Olivia was her main persona and that fact makes her seethe endlessly.

>>78800365
Okbh?

>>78799943
This is regloss tier

>>78800305
Honestly, her voice could be better. Still British, so a good voice by default but her type of Brit accent is one of the worst. More of a loud and boisterous accent than a reserved and cute one.

>>78800217
If you've spent more than five minutes outside of /vt/ you'd already be more than well aware that shit has broken containment long, long ago. Dramachannels and shit like bvtm/okbh have guaranteed that any buzzword that exists on this board will show up outside of here for the exact people who call you or me "unicorns".

>>78800169
lol

>>78800305
I think the singer fags are overblowing it tbdesu. It's the good 'ol singing tierlist timeloops.

>>78800045
Eh, not gonna say you are totally wrong but no man can stay sane while dealing with beggars every single day.

>>78800285
Back then, I'd agree. But NOW is not then. And the amount of use he's generated has diminished greatly since then.
If he was actually an asset that was controllable like people shitpost about with the whole "cabal" thing, it would be preferable to shut it down now that the maximum usefulness has been extracted, but obviously he's his own person and does this shit without being told to, so we have to deal with it.

>>78800267
>sabotaged the rest of her genmates debut
zamn

After four long grueling years she finally did it... The wall is down, Ollie won. I'm so proud of /our/ girl.

>>78800365
you forgot the 5 liz seethe threads in the catalog

>>78800313
Anon, her picks are pretty much the 1:1 starter pack for Stars/Starscollab clipwatchers.

>>78800094
>But years of dealing with woman after woman like that
I’ll just assume you’re a weak man. I never had to deal with “a woman like that” for more than the time it takes to realize that fact.
All of my social interactions are strictly voluntary, whenever I realize this or that person is detrimental I just … don’t interact with them anymore?

I don’t really plan to watch ERB. I never watched a single EN homo OR Regloss stream and I don’t even know their voices and, outside of Raden (because od the very characteristic model) I couldn’t even pick them out of an unmarked lineup.
If you elect to continue interacting with something that bothers you, that’s 100% on you.

>>78799889
>>78800051
EU hours are going to be ravaged by doll's fans, Kiaraschizo, Faunaschizo and Ennacuck if he plans to bot any of these girls

>>78800178
I think it's just trying to setup for his future falseflag as a true Ceci fan that hates every other justice

>>78800405
I know man, it's just... I don't want to see another damn thing I love turned into something awful again. Shit hurts

>>78800305
>cute Brit hag voice
Nah, it’s Brit alright but I don’t think it’s “cute”(it’s supposed to be hot not cute). Singing is alright but it’s like British got talent like with her overdoing it

>>78800209
>Justice collabs
How often will those even be? Advent kept up a near perfect streak of weekly full gen collabs (until the japan arc happened) do you guys think justice can match that?

>”The Organization” assembled a team specifically to hunt Advent
>It is headed by a homosister
KINO

>>78800400
>What in the goddam?

>>78800427
She must have been purely hired based on resume and being willing to fill EU hours. I don't think MilkyQueen is really Hololive material simply based on voice and she's an okay singer and idol lover.

>>78800075
I actually honestly sincerely believe this, I think there's elements of misogyny in how some Holostars fans behave no doubt. Remember that guy on reddit the other day who started fucking ranting and raving about how all Hololive fans only want to fuck them and that they aren't talented enough to get their numbers without sex appeal? It was incredible

>>78800045
That guy needs to stop going to the homo and okbh reddit and picking fights with randoms on twitter. Every once in a while I find him on my feed fighting some guy with 0 likes.

>>78800488
It's mostly scenarios where I can't just stop interacting, and when I can, I do.

>>78800485
And Kobo/Altare isn't?

I'm not that fond of Liz but she should lean into doing the impression bits more, that was the best part of her debut and definitely the part that's getting the most attention.

>>78799474
>Self assured bong hag
No, like I said yesterday she is probably going to try to be a guiding mother figure to the girls in her gen, if she is that kind of homobeggar (and considering the art choices that seems likely) she is going to be a nightmare for any cgdct holos to get close to. Even if she doesn't try to force people into collabs don't expect her to hold her tongue and not mention them around people.
My gut says she is going to cause problems in that way primarily and also not see anything wrong with her own behaviour. I base this on nothing else than being a bong myself and knowing how stubborn our women can be.

She came into a almost entirely CGDCT holoEN guns blazing with constant twitter interaction and a scrapbook showcasing homo's above even herself ffs. She is here to shake things up mark my words.

>>78800257
idol journey GODS winning as usual

>>78800538
>ERB will ask rest of justice homo question every collab
you sure you want that?

>>78800539
It's straight up ludo kino. Dare I say it's intentional on Japsama's part

>Support Liz = supporting homos
>Hating on Liz = Holo vs Holo
>Ignoring Liz = ???

>>78799250
Golden Gen

>>78800155
I'm going to watch the debuts of the other 2 still but let's just say I'll have some other priorities / life imperatives, so I'll have to watch those on VOD. If I went through the absolute pain that was the last NijiEN wave, so I will for the rest of Justice. So unless there's no hint of originality in these debuts or something else I have not seen yet, then yeah, I'm gone. Doesn't change the fact that the industry has gone stale (even in term of numbers since we're on that thread in particular) and nobody proved me wrong on that. That's the hill I'm going to die on.

Gigi>>>>>>ERB

>>78800593
CGDCT chad.

>>78800305
Her singing is good, but her personality is a turn off. Mumei and IRyS have good karaokes covered in EN, discounting Gura of course

>comfy EU hours
doko...

>>78799672
When I browse /vt/, I take every single post I see and mentally reduce the take by 90% and it works out great for me. For example
>Kill yourself you retarded nigger troon
Becomes
>I don't agree with what you said.
And
>KEK WHAT A FLOP THIS BITCH IS DOA
Becomes
>She didn't do as well as I personally expected, and I don't think her actions are favorable for courting the general Hololive audience.
Makes browsing /vt/ far more palatable. Everyone writes in hyperboles and uses sensational language because the only currency on 4chan is (You)s, and the best way to get a (You) is with histrionics. Take most things said with a grain of salt, realize most anons only want attention, and mentally filter shit posts as if they're ads begging you to engage with them.
That being said, fuck you, you retarded nigger troon, you're a subhuman monkey who deserves to be sterilized and put down like the animal you are.

Liz thread

>>78799658
This was insightful and I agree to some extent, but I think the gen can be saved by the rest of the girls freezing ERB out, and establishing themselves as being inside the walled garden. Even if they don't and only one of them is good, she just has to find some way to connect with SNOrys or FWMC and she'll get the same blanket acceptance the rest have.

>>78800556
Anon do some opsec checks, there's unironic honest to god stereotypes of incels amongst the beggars. It's not a meme.

>>78800563
She's a post-Tempus 1 HomoEN convert, after being a Luxiem viewer. There's a reason she starts with Flayon and Bettel.

>>78800593
ignoring someone is well within anyone's right as a viewer
you owe nobody your time and attention

>>78800593
catalog

>>78800593
Do you have a loicense for that invisible gun?

Is it bad I prefer the British woman over Gigi

ERB seems like the type that would seethe at Gura’s lolicon pandering so I already don’t like her. Gigi can show me her cunny and I’ll forgive her for her mediocre to bad debut stream.

>>78800218
The Frogger game was impossible to win, was constantly full of her annoying death screams, and should have ended two minutes earlier. It says a lot that she LOST viewers during the chat interaction segments

>>78800368
I'll put her below IRyS, Nerissa, Gura and Mumei, because of her horrible Japanese.

>>78800593
I'm gonna shit on the redheaded cunt without shame. Don't care what you faggots think.

>>78800556
That's the fucked up part, it's like, actually true
God help me, I wouldn't have believed myself agreeing with that a decade ago, but well, a decade ago I was a 15 year old shitposter, and a decade of life goes to change a man's views.

>>78800464
Anon, a beggar, on the Holostars sub, just this week went mask off so hard (motivated by the little debate brought to their turf) which he was forced by his buddies to self immolate to try to not drag all of them to the pit.

As for Heimite, it’s a blessing he’s at “this side” but he just likes to argue. There is no downside for him. There is also no downside for “this side” because, as the famous line says
>they expect one of us at the wreckage, brother!

>>78800593
Ignoring ERB = The right answer.

>>78799672
>spoiler abuse
>naive retard
The modern landscape doesn't allow for nuanced opinions, it's funny how you think people haven't tried reasoning with you tards.

>>78800649
Gigi is boring and ERB is a homocollaber so they both sinned

>>78800592
Not to mention Justice specifically are “the troublemakers” in a very strict organization (Hololive)
It’s their lore

>>78800636
Oga existed before any of them, you're just on a coping spiral now.

>>78800593
She needs to get her share of hate, and then she will be ignored

>>78800670
Above Mumei and tied with Gura and Nerissa

>>78800593
>Ignoring Liz
that called proper unicorn behavior

>>78799962
Be a little while after they've all debuted to have any real idea how it's going.

Me on the left

>>78800291
>The most forgettable HoloX
>The girl who lost all her fans due to tracing

>>78800649
If you are EU then go for it anon, she literally meant for you. Japs don’t like her and Americans will get filtered with that accent.

>>78800636
>There's a reason she starts with Flayon and Bettel.
she started with Bae retard

You tried this angle with Shiori and Advent after her debut. What makes you think it'll work this time antibro?

>>78800593
Supporting Liz = supporting cancer
Hating Liz = fighting cancer
Ignoring Liz = ignoring cancer

hm I wonder what will happen to the host body if you ignore cancer, surely it will go away on its own

>>78800581
Anon if she pulls any funny shit she'll just get blacklisted, especially around girls like Gura who are autistic about their image

>>78800715
Adorable

>>78800593
based on beggars that's called harassment

>>78800169
fucking newfag I swear. There's a reason why she is the lowest viewed member in the entirety of Hololive.

>>78800593
I've already purged her from my mind, I hope I never have to see her

>>78800235
Korone? Pekora? Kanata?

>>78800315
People will be watching Fauna and Ina if she streams a long game. She's absolutely killing her growth by streaming at this timeslot

>>78800593
>Ignoring Liz
This. Out of sight, Out of mind.

>>78800720
Iroha has one of the best 3D models in Hololive though

>>78800756
>Liz casually doing an off collab with Tempus
>a-antibro? stop spreading your rrats, she’s still unicorn friendly
Kek

It's crazy that Marine is still the only good redhead in the company, and she was hired almost 5 years ago

>>78800823
agreed, one of the most effective treatments of cancer, just ignore it

>>78800045
no one cares about your twitter fights with him, sister.

>>78800816
Being a waiting room isnt always bad, she should start at FST -3 though

>>78800829
she's so cute

>>78800769
your mother should've ignored you

>>78800829
What's your point? She's extremely forgettable. Laplus, Chloe, and Koyori are the ones everyone knows.

>>78800559
There is no scenario you’re forced to interact with a person. Even in a professional setting, you can elect to NOT interact outside what’s strictly necessary to fulfill your job description and, for the most part, in this day and age, you can keep all interactions in writing or in a formalized setting
>a meeting
The same thing goes for family interactions. You aren’t forced to interact with any family member, most people do because of societal expectations but if someone bothers you to the point you refers to it as “women like that”, just … don’t interact.
>unless you’re talking about your fucking wife or her mother
Then you’re fucked if you love your wife or has children. Every other interaction in your life is strictly voluntary. Your love for your wife and your children … that’s baked in, you can’t really choose

>>78800840
>rrat foresight
just like with Advent amiryt, up top sister

>>78800257
precisely. She tried her best and that's what matters the most.

Please Doll, just one reply to a homo or take lengthy breaks like Ina, Mumei or Gura. I don't want another Sapling fanbase clone shitting up numbers.

>>78800816
hour or two in a free slot is good enough to grow

>>78800557
okbh banned the musketeers months ago they made that musketeer targeting post.

>>78800845
Bae is pretty good if you look pass ‘that’… she doesn’t do it often

question: which side will they be on? Elizabeth or CGDCT?

>>78800829

>>78799972
Fuwamoco are strong willed and won't falter. They'll politely turn their noses up at any mention of it. If they must, they'll even flat out say "no thank you" live on stream to a male collab proposal.

>>78800885
No point I just wanted to say it because it's true and she's cute

The bot, Riku, rev it up, Kuzuha must win

>>78800593
Part of the shadowy cabal

>>78799689
>Western bong who drinking the alphabet kool aid are suppose to be wise
I think there are a lot of holoen member who are wiser than her like bae.

>>78800202
>>78800223
>>78800256
>>78800301
>>78800327
>>78800351
>>78800443
>>78800807
I assume you're talking about the apex thing. didnt she create a separate event specifically for the unicorn-friendly girls?

>>78799658
Personally I was just so fucking disappointed by ERB's debut that it bled into Gigi's debut as well since it started right afterwards.
I found myself not really paying attention to the debut and just threadreading which isn't a good sign because I fucking woke up early just to watch these debuts.
Nothing she did on the debut was particularly interesting enough for me to tab back in either.
If Green wasn't on tomorrow, I would just skip Day 2.

I feel like that's unfair, but then she's not really streaming in my timezone anyway so idk I guess I'll just watch clips of her like I do with most EN girls.

>>78800919
Respectfully, no

>>78800556
>>78800674
I’ve been saying this for over a yr. The main homobeggars are the 3rd worlders too from SEA and LATAM were machismo is more prominent.

That said I can’t wage war against them cus I was the exact same fucking way agreeing with those male streamers that said women streamers being talentless hacks who had to pander to simps by showing their boobs and being sexual. Hololive changed me ….

>>78800169
Liz won't actually be seen like Ollie until she tries to do that

>>78800593
Watch other Holos. You got tons of them and with more talent.

>>78800936
Newfag

Is it true that Liz knows nothing about Holo or is it just shit posting?

>>78800933
BELO JOGO COMING IN

>>78800933
I don't even think GTA streams are on the table today anon.

>>78800918
this image isnt even relevant anymore, phasefag

>>78800918
Keep my Clock Wife out of your fucking shitpost Nijicuck. She unironically hate the homos now

>>78800918
this image feels more and more like a relic of a bygone time

>>78800918
Can they debut an actual good homo so the collabs would actually be interesting?

The only correct course of action is to purge the girl from your mind.
Much like the Warlock Osiris purged bad timelines from the Vex mind on Mercury in the Infinite Forest, simply purge yourself of thoughts of them and you will be better off.

>>78800918
You forgot Mumei

>>78800918
I was so happy we were mostly past all these fucking triangle shitposts, I even deleted my watamelon one. Fucking red woman stirring up the retards thanks a lot

>>78800931
dont reply to him kazamatai

>>78800962
She knows about the HoloUnicorn and Homobeggar war

>>78800976
Love how you give it credibility at any point in time, you're not slick either

She's coming for Cecilia

>>78800918
Mori picks fauna in any scenario

>>78800996
Is that supposed to be a Destiny 2 reference?

>stopped watching hololive because of the small corpo minecraft server
huh i just have minecraft brainrot

Well tonight was fun. Lots of seething is always a fun time. See you guys tomorrow for the actual good talents.

>>78801014
and she cares more about that than hololive

why do i have a feeling ennacuck is gonna bot liz to beat IRyS/fauna instead of biboo from now on

Please stop trying to pretend that Gozaru is sexy

>>78801033
Gigi is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGj0xMWReQM
900k doryaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

>>78799943
I hate the red whore and i fell asleep midway into gigi’s debut and only woke up a couple minutes ago. Tells me all i meed to know about them. Unsubbed and hopefully the other two can do it for me. I am curious though who the fuck decided these niji-tier chuuba were acceptable?

>>78800918
Add mumei, Ina, Kiara and Irys. They collabs with male before

>>78800226
beggars love the culture war. they talk about it almost every day.

>>78801031
maybe.

>>78801028
True. Everyone pictured picks Fauna.

>>78799440
I think the main problem is that she's so brazen about it.
Which makes one think what else she could be brazen about expressing. Like the modern politics bullshit that Hololive so carefully stays away from.
She's pulling at the leash so hard that she might drag the entire branch into that shitpit furname. Especially when the homos have started pushing more and more IDpol shit lately with minimal pushback.

>>78801047
Oh, 100000%. She's the perfect target.

>>78800939
>I feel like that's unfair
I mean not really, this is the pro and con of being in a corpo and a gen, a rising tide raises all the boats but the reverse can also happen

>>78801047
I don't think it ever gave a shit about homos or homo collabers

>>78801033
Hey, Gigi is still fine. Her gaming choices are good.

I genuinely don’t think they’ll be any Holostar and Hololive collab moving forward. Most of the girls learned and most the dude are traumatized. Liz would get rejected by Flaygod even if she begged.

>>78801056
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>78800994
It's gonna be 'New' and 'Novel' which would make audience watch.

>>78801047
that would require liz to stream a lot, which seems unlikely based on her not being a gaming person

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AibtyCAhyQE&ab_channel=TheLivingTombstone
>it actually ended up being Elizabeth
so Liz now "techincally" holds the record for most viewed MV now

>>78801055
>#33 on trending
Thought it have dropped off by now since it showed a shit ton as soon as it hit 700kish

>>78800918
Kronii is still the same spiteful person so this is probably how it's going to be
>Liz asks Kronii to collab with homos
>Kronii agrees
>kronies chimp out
>Kronii has another woman moment
>views get even lower

>>78801055
>1 day already passed
ahuh

>>78801106
kys homobeggar

>>78801104
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>78800996
Destinyanon you finally made a smart post or at least I'm guessing that's you, I don't know any of the names
But yeah, there's no value to blasting her unless she does something egregious, and even then do it respectfully. Everyone is a representative of their oshi, ya gotta treat that responsibility seriously. The numbers will work out in the end anyways, we've seen this shit over and over again, which really brings to question why the fuck they keep trying it.