/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>78788764
And she has a coolish looking totally impractical jrpg sword to boot

>>78788764
How much do you think she's going to seethe when she realizes none of the homobeggars she's trying to appeal to will watch and support her. They might give her some twitter likes though

>>78788764
UNITY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSdxFccfgNI
Elizabeth is such an unfortunate name...

>>78788764
Homofags are you actually gonna watch and financially support this one this time? She is putting everything on the line for you with her passive aggressive calling out of CGDCT enjoyers in her debut

>>78789039
So far I’m seeing only one person seething. And you should cope better.

>>78789039
You fags said the same about Bae and look where she is now

>>78789284
Why? I watch the boys, I just want them to have someone to play with.

>>78789039
Yes? only you seething?

>>78789284
I will but just because I like British hags

>>78789236
she comes with built in chants if she ever graduates? lmao

>>78788764
Shouldn't you be at work or something sister?

>>78788764
BASED BASED BASED

>>78789380
I haven't see her in years

>>78789039
She's literally going to slay Gura in numbers, superchats, and popularity because she acknowledges the existence of the Stars boys. She's the new #1 and all of you will SEETHE

>>78789380
The runt of her gen? Living in Japan having the full force of Cover and HoloJP around her and still barely just managing to get 5k viewers most streams?

>>78788764
>Reddit unicorns
lol
lmao
also, Reddit loves her

>>78788764
No, it's like real life where the people who claim to represent Justice are the actual bad guys.

>>78788764
qrd? just woke up

>>78789657
how did that work out for kronii and mori?

>>78789039
shes a woman, shell get mad but shell keep doing the same thing kek

>>78788764

can't wait to see this thread created every single day for the next year. In fact why don't you bake a new one already?

>>78789657
This have to be a falseflag right? This one at least.

>>78789675
5k is still higher than what Nerissa and Shiori gets on a daily basis.

>>78789284
No because I'm a europoor and I don't have money, sorry

>>78789039
The jesus of hololive EN. She will become a martyr so the next generation will only consists of 5 they/thems

All talk no show

>>78789380
Bae doesn’t have malicious politically driven intentions

>>78789900
Not true. Nerissa has a higher average CCV than Bae in 2024. Shiori gets lower CCV but has a lot more core fan support in SC and merch sales

So far only Unicorns and Homobeggars are talking about her. And it's just arguments and animosity, that's not a good sign.

>>78789827
showed drawings of homostars in her debut

>>78789284
> passive aggressive calling out of CGDCT enjoyers in her debut
Meds. I unironically think this hag is so out of touch with the culture she has no idea she’s doing or saying anything controversial to begin with. I think her attitude is honestly just, “I want to stream and hangout with everyone in Hololive. What’s that? There aren’t men in Hololive? Sure they are, they’re right over there->” etc.
I don’t think she has bad intentions, she’s just doing what she assumes the job entails.

>>78789657
this post is too funny not to reply to
LOL

>>78789827
Basically prime Homobeggar. I think she is equivalent to Ollie level of homobegging

>>78788764
Based and talented
I hope she gains more power and murder unicorns altogether.

>>78788764
I'm still alive, sis. You don't really know how this works, do you? I'm just not gonna watch her.

>>78790188
>So far only Unicorns and Homobeggars are talking about her
not even, it's just falseflags on both sides.

>>78789039
Maybe she'll see how her precious homos are 3views (2views even in some cases) and she'll realize that the beggars don't actually care. But by then it will probably be too late.

>>78790227
Surely she won't be avoided like plague and will be invited by all the female senpais in the company going forward

>>78788764
I knew she'd be Hololive's Flayon. You can tell just by the design. Every small corpo male are gonna lust for her now including Vox.

>>78790651
The consequences are hers to bear. I just hope she doesn't get bitter at seeing her genmates be more successful and try to sabotage them by forcing homocollabs

>>78788764
ELIZABETH SAMA PLEASE DO THIS BUT WITH ARMIS AND YOUR GREEN GENMATE

>>78790196
>>78790323
so basically its a 30+ woman using hololive to find a younger husband

any panther chads here. shes the one.

>>78789039
Same way Bae only gets some Twitter likes right sister ?

>>78788764
Own those chuds queen! I won't watch or send you money that's kinda parasocial
Clips though!

>>78790651
But enough about keknauth

>>78788764
She is amazing and she is solidly the 2nd best singer in HoloEN (IRyS is too good to ever be topped). If she causes the seethe of unicorn fags.......all the better. I will be supporting her.

>>78790948
>find a husband

>>78790906
AIIEEEEEE I MEMORYHOLED THIS , JANNIE-SAMA DELETE!!

>>78791307
Eh, homobeggars and Nijisisters are the same demographic anyway lmao

>>78791188
she's the runt of her gen despite working harder than the other 4 put together

>78788764
either a nijisis or homobeggar but the venn diagram might as well be a fucking circle at this point
she sets a stance at the start like bae which is good instead of pulling a fast kronii or yuko, the fuck is wrong with you faggots

>>78789675
>The runt of her gen?
Bae has more subs than Fauna.

>>78791588
Mori has the 2nd most subs in EN and she had to beg reddit to buy her album

>>78789522
>>78791405
they just really don't know

>>78790948
Yeah, me

>>78791588
And IRyS and Mumei have 1 million. So?

>>78788764
>Made Twitter unicorns seethe
what twitter unicorns? there's only collabegging troons on shitter

>>78791831
that's not something to brag about anon...

>>78791498
>venn diagram
It's a single circle

>>78791329
Good. But you know that means actual support, right? With money? Superchats, merch, fan projects, concert tickets. Just so it's clear. That's your responsibility.

>>78789039
NijiEN is currently sinking which means that a lot of vtuber fans might move over to Elizabeth because she won't pander to unicorns but works for Hololive which is a more stable company. Unicorns are far more likely to end up seething if she doesn't back down because they believed that management had given up on HoloPro unity.

>>78788764
The only thing she slays is buffets.

>>78791958
Homobeggars and sisters are just two sides of the same cancer.

>>78789708
Reddit is shit measure, consider all the botting that happens there

>>78791996
Only incels do that shit
We watch clips here

I kinda like her. She's playing on hard mode. Hope she makes through the tough times.

>>78792033
>Getting the NijiEN audience
C'mon she's bad but I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy

You won't actually though, since parasocial feelings are the revenue stream's spring the most you could realistically accomplish is destroying a company. In so doing, though, you would open the market to competitors and further clarify their artistic boundaries, in fact that could happen regardless without the failure of the host company. If it goes poorly it defines why not to do something anymore, and it's all happening a little fast - how is this person going to get any collabs and such? If it's not really being done from on high then it could very well die right there from lack of cooperation from others.

You know what else? It wouldn't change human nature one bit, the entire theory of "rape culture" or "idol culture" or whatever concoction won't change why or how the product functions for the end-user, the absolute majority of whom have no concept of this conflict. Given that I've always thought Yagoo would seek a way to entrap and bury the fighters, side by side, if he could. Is this that very valley, where his geomancy will crush us both wholesale? If that is his will then I accept it.

>>78788764
From the moment I understood the weakness of 3D women, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of 2D. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed unicorn. Your kind cling to your unity, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call homobegging will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for cute girls doing cute things is immortal… Even in death I serve the council of unicorns.

>>78791996
I will like her twitter posts and watch clips. Only incels watch streams

>>78789657
Retardchama. There's a reason the CGDCT-aligned Hologirls are the MOST POPULAR, especially in EN, like Gura, FuwaMoco, Fauna, Biboo, Mumei. They all have one thing in common that makes them so popular:
they DO NOT interact with Homostars!

>>78792395
kek

>>78792069
she's not even big enough to give her that much credit, sheesh

>>78792395

>>78789657
>"Jinx her anon"
>"Y'already know"
>*Plap* *plap* *pl-...*

>>78792241
you wouldn't wish a nijien audience on a married shitlib? (You) might be a bit too open-minded to survive on /vt/ anon

>>78791996
Buy merch?
That's too parasocial for me broseph
y'all miss me with that shit frfr no cap

>>78792395
lmao

>>78791478
She still pulls numbers better than 90% of chuubas. Runt of the gen my ass.

>>78789039
Right now she has more subs than Gigi

Everything was going well, Hololive had no drama, then this bitch had to show up.

>>78789657
Nobody is slaying Gura in those things, least of all somebody from a side of politics that doesn't spend money

>sis is already moving goalposts to cope

>>78792810
HOLOSEETHE

Common Holo W

were rats right about her PL?

>>78792766
>than 90% of chuubas.
Who are irrelevant.
Do olympians give a shit whether or not they run faster than those competing in the paraolympics?

>>78788764
one of the last rare pokemons just waiting to someone to catch her, i dont remember her being a sjw tho.

>>78791996
No, no, you are misunderstanding. Support means I will give all her tweets a like and subscribe to her.
I won't watch her streams though, I am not a loser weaboo.

>>78792885
They weren't just right oh dear god they were underestimating it jfc it's so over

>>78793069
so you're a long-time fan?
Why the hell did she join holo instead of niji or vshojo

>>78789380
You're attributing doing good despite collabs for doing good because of collabs.

>>78789708
I'm sure they will watch and support her

>>78792395
Only femcels use the word incels because they are addicted to male vtubers who offer bfe, wait a second...

>>78789877
Probably, but...

Nobody is seething my dude. Most of the unicorns crying about homo's and whatever are fake... are just sisters and phasefucks angry that there is a new EN gen in Holo that will steal the spotlight.
The red woman had by far the best debut of any HoloEN, production wise. She showed all she needed too, she was a natural, no nervosness or anything, and she had so much damn content in 40 minutes that is crazy she fit so much.
Yet, vt/ is full of posts that gives her a low or mid grade, or shit talk about scuff and shit, while at the same time give the yellow one a passing grade, when she had by far one of the worst EN debuts, in which we learned almost nothing about her strenghts, she bleeded like 20k viewers from the middle, and... yeah. She tried something different, so I give her credit for that, but it didn't work out that well.
So it shows the bias - I am sure lot's got worried as hell when it was discovered who the red woman is, and now after they saw what she is capable off too, they are trying to downplay her and start shit hoping they can turn the general opinion against her. But is not gonna work. This is the best talent they picked since Irys.

>>78792395
unironically based

>>78789380
yeah exactly anon, that's our point, bae is the runt of promise

>>78792885
You don't need rrats, just this single stream alone is enough.

>>78793487
kek, pretty accurate

>>78790156
This lol.

>>78791588
And half the ccv of her or mumei

>>78792766
Runt of her gen retard learn how to read

>>78788764
ALL HAIL THE QUEEN

>>78788764
I'm honestly interested in how she's going do with the other girls considering the reaction of Advent during the homo shilling in the debut

>>78789657
>She's literally going to slay Gura in numbers
You don't even believe what you say.

>>78789708
They are going to drop her once the next NuHolo drops if not before.

>>78793487
I watched half a stream of altare a while ago, he's a likable faggot, but I think he's a 3 view now kek
retarded sisters, they have talents, but they're out there begging

>>78790227
I think she is well aware of the culture, she is a Holo, Niji and Vshojofag she did an impression video of various vtubers
While aware of that, she is just a Unityhag. Nothing ill intended, so I'll give her a pass.

The only thing she's slaying is her career lmao

>>78788764
>hiring granma
holy cowabunga. she is there only looking for husband for her dried up ovaries. will she last in holo, maybe not, even finding spot to fit in might be hard.

I honestly don't care. She's not going to be active enough or be naturally popular enough to have a significant presence. It seems to me she just wants to hang out in her corner, and that's fine. Has she even posted her schedule? That says it all, really.

>>78791405

>>78788764
All that aside, I like the sword design.

>>78794393
I forced myself to watch him back when tempus debuted because it felt novel and it made me realize male vtubers are not my jam. His voice was fucking weird and eventually I just watched girls only.

>>78792929
>talks about irrelevance
>moving goalpost
lol

>>78794393
Bettle is alright

>>78794584
Softboy Korean is only marketable to women.

You've gotta appreciate she made her stance clear. Might've been overcompensating but she wanted to make sure that there was no way to misinterpret her words with any kind of subtlety. She's got a great voice and can do impressions. Not too sure about her zatsu abilities since I think there was some dead air in parts. Don't really care what she does or the drama but good luck to her. She has to live with the choices she made.

Now I feel like people should really apologize for Shiori and over reacting to her back then. Elizabeth is actually the person they feared Shoiri was going to be. Might want to write those apology letters to her.

>>78789708
Imagine the kind of person who posts shit like "THIS WOMAN STOLE MY HEART ALREADY".

You can tell how disingenuous it is, like when a woman calls an obviously ugly girl pretty, in a way that is completely opposed to how people show their support authentically on here.

>>78789284
If she puts out good merch like vinyl albums and shit like that then yes, absolutely. My prefered kind of vtubing experience nijien lite, without the cancerous vox blowjob asmr, chinese pandering, and mean girl cliques, or passive aggressive wiggers. I just want funny autism anime streamers like dokibird, Axel and RPR autism, shit like that.

>>78791996
You fags are so catty, are you sure you're not woman yourselves? Why the fuck do you care? You're just fucking seething with rage because she isn't towing the line. You fags are always, "RESPECT THEIR COLLAB CHOICES" To homobeggars which is absolutely fair, but turn around and sperg out when it doesn't go your way. Hell even if the broad is telegraphing it as loud as possibly BEFORE debut you fucks still throw bitch fits like the woman you are.

If she puts out good shit and continues to be based, I'll support. Simple as.

>>78791498
Why would anyone look at homo ccv and go "yeah I want that".

>>78794897
Post tits

>>78793487
heh

>>78789708
Unicornposting or any kind of doomposting is banned there so it's mostly a positivity circlejerk.

>>78789039
>>78789284
>>78789675
>>78790323
>>78790651
>>78790674
>>78790948
>>78791244
>>78791478
>>78791735
>>78791996
The moment you retards stop acting like this hololive will finally be able to have its own kuzuha, who even with the nijisanji affiliation debuff is doing numbers on those recent streams of GTA garbage.

>>78794584
I mean you watched the one least compatible to heterosexual males

>>78793487

>>78794707
>Now I feel like people should really apologize for Shiori and over reacting to her back then
Shut the fuck up anon. Shiori played the gfe angle, and the male collab angle in the exact same debut stream and completely utterly deserved to get trashed for coming out with the absolutely most retarded "have your cake and eat it too" streaming plan of any debut ever. Without that feedback she absolutely would be in a worse spot right now.

>>78793229
Because niji decided to hire a narcissistic self-insert lolicon with a complex over her own chest and who regularly throws tantrums on stream instead. kek

>>78794707
>Elizabeth is actually the person they feared Shoiri was going to be.
No, because elizabeth is clearly not trying to play the gfe angle, she's going for the yassss girl slayyyy angle that may or may not work out depending on what her goals are.

>>78788764
BASED BASED BASED
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN

>>78794477
No, it didn't get shown because she sucks at time management and decided to do an extra cover that got cut at the end for time.

>>78790156
>Mumei is a consistent 5view
I'm actually surprised, I thought she was the most boring out of Council

>>78791405
she is saved then, unlike lui who will end up exacuted for snaching babies from hospotals.

Guys, guys, what if--guys, I just got this great idea--what if in her stars collab--guys, she does her voice impressions thing--guys, hear me out here--she does her voice impressions--like, sound like the other girls--guys, guys, she will sound like the other girls... while talking to the stars! Brilliant collab idea right here!

>>78794897
Yeah
>>78791996
100% are a nijisister, only a woman talks like that

>>78795772
p-please no

am i crazy or is the anti spam ten times lighter for elizabeth than it was for shiori. calling it drama is almost the most overdramatic part of it

>>78795629
I don't watch her but she's obviously cute as fuck, but also male brained enough (tisms) to hold viewers too.

>>78795153
That's the thing though. Unisanjisisters wouldn't want Cover to have their own kuzuha.

>>78795928
I guess it's pretty late, most of the kids got all tuckered out and went to bed. Tomorrow will probably be worse.

>>78795928
Elizabeth clearly is not trying to appeal to gfe so there isn't a conflict, people just are like w/e I'll watch something else. There isn't really anything to get angry about because people don't see it as losing anything.

>>78788764
Why is it so damn hard for people to just ignore the Holos supportive of homos and watch someone else?
Why should you even care if they fail or not? There's an ocean of unicorn friendly talents in the corpo, just stick with them.

>>78788764
What if she just talks to Holostars occasionally on the Xitter and never collabs with them? What then?

>>78796089
It's the Sword of Damocles strat. You keep relevant by always pointing out the sword, downside is, you know, the sword.

>>78796064
Because it has the possibility of contaminating into collabs with the other female talents. If you have a big mouth (like this girl seems like she might have) you can't have her dropping stories about guys and risk spawning a girlconvo of girls squealing over what they think about other guys in a goddamn all girls minecraft collab being streamed to a 99% male audience.

It would be cataclysmically bad, and the guras, kiaras, faunas, etc all understand that, and at this point now the other en talents know not to bring that kind of thing up either, but if an older millennial like elizabeth is the out of touch type, or worse, the type who feels like she's "owning the unicorn incels" or "do you not have friends of the opposite sex" kronii-tier then things could get really really bad, you'd be handing the pyro a box of matches.

>>78790810
Why did he fall off again, was it that women just aren't dedicated viewers to homos and prefer guys who act like actual guys, or was it some other factor?

>>78795772
Based, I can't wait for that to happen.

>>78792395

>>78794652
He's not moving any goalposts.
He said she was the runt of >her gen.
That anon who brought up "90% of chuubas" - he was the one moving the goalposts.

>>78795629
Hello I don't do numbers, what is a 5view?

>>78788764
Elizabeth the British prostitute, very fitting

>>78794897
>My prefered kind of vtubing experience nijien lite, without the cancerous vox blowjob asmr, chinese pandering, and mean girl cliques, or passive aggressive wiggers
So you prefer your vtubers broke

>>78794897
>You fags are always, "RESPECT THEIR COLLAB CHOICES" To homobeggars which is absolutely fair, but turn around and sperg out when it doesn't go your way
/vt/ is not a monolith

>>78797000
>fall off
He was never on to begin with. He basically had one of the worst starts a vtuber could conceivably ever have.

>>78794897
How, may I ask, is she currently "based"? Based on what?

>>78797000
Probably a part of it, but from pretty much the first week of streams he was doing visual novels and shit, not good stream content no matter who you are. I respect sticking to what you want to do I guess.

>>78793587
>it was discovered who the red woman is
Who is she? I'm out of the loop.

>>78797317
I thought he started out with the highest ccv and the highest subs, and the most hype for being an en twink with a good voice acting voice, where aside from bettel he was alongside an effeminate hispanic and a boring paralegal (I don't follow holostars but I did watch the debuts and only saw what people were saying around that time).

I just like her voice. She has a good singing voice. Idk about the rest of the stuff but I'm going to enjoy the tunes

>>78797466
a steven universe stan by nature and by creed

>>78797541
if she manages to break the 99.9% likely outcome of all her past behaviour, then yeah, good voice, the rehab will have been worth it and she'll do well.
That's the funniest thing, she's her own greatest adversary

>>78795153
> Chat activity so slow it was comparable to that of 5k stream.

Surely it was all legit viewers

>>78797541
So you like her mangling the japanese language in karaokes, or do you mean you'll just watch the music videos she releases once in a blue moon.

>>78795928
Elizabeth doesn't come with an entire anti brigade from her Old Guard days like Shiori did.

>>78794897
Based?
Everything we've seen from her is pure cringe other than her voice, and she's been using that to pursue cringe shit so even that doesn't count you retard

>>78797564
What. She sounded 40 years old. She's a Steven Universe fan?

>>78797727
the kind of people she's been surrounded by and appealing to are just antis of the industry generally, so yeah that's totally so much better

>>78797654
I have no clue bout her history. What is it cause I'm of the loop

>>78797790
Yeah, but they're antiing the industry, not her personally, thus less hate directed towards her.

>>78797754
married woman, 30s...? good voice, but purely anti/tourist politics

>>78797833
tourist skinwalking

>>78788764
I don't care about unicorns I want to know if her pl was an SJW, that shit actually hurts everyone

>>78797564
If she was gravity falls/star vs then maybe.
Steven trooniverse? That's a global rule 15 tier danger sign.

>>78798032
worse, she's a white woman

>>78798032
yes, she was/is super-ultra-mega sjw

>>78797536
No, Flayon was basically poison to all the male viewers that gave StarsEN(mostly Vesper) a chance

>>78797536
Not sure about subs but he was only the highest ccv in terms of debut. Following debut he immediately became the runt on the branch where he more or less remains uncontested. Bettel had his v-spacer arc which launched him into being the branch star, Hakka had his singing talent and being the sole male Spaniard out of the corpos, and Shinri had a nice parallel with Vesper. Flayon filtered much of the fanbase by being obnoxious in collabs as well as sex jokes the fanbase didn't enjoy, then there were the coomers which he quickly told to fuck off, then told the remaining women that babied him to fuck off, then bored everyone else to death with visual novels.

>>78797422
I guess the issue is that when you target a female audience you need to target the female interests, but the thing is what women are interested in is stuff that is off the computer so it doesn't blend well at all. They'd rather watch a video of a fag doing a makeup tutorial (who can then sell them makeup and rake in 10's of millions in revenue).
You can't play the homo angle and then proceed to play video games, you either need to zatsu hard and bfe asmr it up, because gaybaiting really only works in the context of collabs and really it's not core material to pad with anyway. Even for more of an outlier like bettel, it seems like bettel puts in a shit ton of work to pull what he probably could on his own just doing gmod videos and male viewer content like he used to with a tenth of the effort.

With that in mind I think a male vtuber who was an artist could pull in views, maybe? But even then when it comes to videos of people actually doing art, art tutorials, and so on, the audience is heavily male (like any skill that requires technical knowledge you see this everywhere). Even then women would rather just throw a like at an artist's art after the fact; they don't want to see the process that went in. Women hate technicals and don't score high in systematization. They have no interest in that either.

>>78796064
Because normalizing those collabs and acting like they're wanted by the whole community will very quickly kill Hololive. It'll cause a total divide in the fandom leading into fans dropping the company and the money hack of giga wealthy unicorns spending 1000-2000 dollars a month on merch, membership and super chat will disappear step by step.

>>78798242
Interesting. What is a v-spacer.

> then there were the coomers which he quickly told to fuck off, then told the remaining women that babied him to fuck off
Whoa, what was even his plan then? Light BFE but for gay males?

>>78788764
The only thing she slayed is her chance at being relevant.

>>78798242
It's kinda crazy how Flayon has more subs than Shinri by a lot when it's clear as day that Shinri actually has more fans

>>78798110
To an extend maybe but I've seen some based white women before
>>78798110
Ok, how bad, this is serious since it ruins the actual fun of this other girls and can make them worse

>>78798352
Before the 2nd Tempus gen, Tempus was mostly bro vibes during collabs. Flayon would do gayshit and basically ruined the dynamic of a bunch of dudes just chilling.

>>78798110
some of the others are women that are white, and they do just fine. her issue is that she's a white woman (derogatory)

>>78788764
She can do the most funniest shit
>roping advent into some Cover song but adding holostars at later date

>>78798421
danger level: Current Thing enjoyer and believer.
How and why she joined holo over niji or vshojo is beyond me

>>78788764
Talk is cheap, show them memberships, homobeggars

>>78796658

Your fragile masculinity would be comedic if it weren't so pathetic.

If a girl goes on about guys she likes then you have 2 opportunities here:
1) Imagine yourself being the guy she talks about and derive pleasure.
2) Takes mental notes because you are given free insight into your target desires.

You almost sound like a chink who got cucked by a rifle.

>>78798299
Holostars was such a mistake, it's like a constant looming threat. Compared to something like Phase Connect, where occasionally males get involved (and shit ALWAYS goes down, like the lia birthday incident, camelot incident, etc no need to timeloop anymore) those things can just be played off as a one off incident, vod deleted, new viewers will never know, end of story.

Hololive has this constant problem that is constantly driving the wallet holders away to groups like phase or idol because of holostars simply existing and contaminating at least one talent's career every gen.

Cant wait for her to go through the kronii route when she realizes twitter likes dont translate into ccv, making money, support and then tries to completely abandon her homobeggar "fans"

>>78798352
V-spacer was a meme Bettel's fans made at the time. He was having crippling internet issues that would cause his stream to crash after a couple minutes causing his first week of content after debut to be twitter spaces of him having a mental breakdown.
>Whoa, what was even his plan then? Light BFE but for gay males?
BFE was one of the first things he shut down, which is what I was referring to when I said he told coomers to fuck off.
He had no plan to speak of hence why at the time he was one of the fastest Debut-to-3view chuubas in EN corpo history. Only Zaion had him beat fir the title back then.

>>78798529
Tempus absolutely did very forced gay shit all the goddamn time almost like they were told to, and during debut bettel even did the forced gay baiting as well. It always existed and it always grossed me out so I never really watched any of them.

>>78797673
She's british, that was going to be a given and the only thing I feared when I saw it was going to be a euro gen. The british just cannot speak japanese.

>>78797666
It's all fujos jackin' it and people with it in the background. What do you even say in a GTA chat other than twitch shit like "pog"?

>>78796064
>supports streamers that are part of a company, company takes half of all support.
>Funds go to hiring monsters that would bash your head in and have you against the wall for just liking something different
>and she has the audacity to call us bullies
I'm actually seething haha

>>78798763
can't tell if sister cope, genuine advice or 'alpha male subscribe to my lifehacks' shit, bravo

>>78798763
You can't be serious. Are you a woman, a cuck, or a tourist. Be honest. Tell me why you'd be okay sitting alone watching a stream where the girl you watch is giggling about how she thinks another guy is cute.

It's fine if they're going through pics that their fans send to review, because they are the fans, but to be some other 3rd party that has nothing to do with their own content, is clearly alienating, and gross, and if you think it isn't then I'm questioning what you even get out of following a vtuber in the first place.

>>78798032
Even worse.
She's an MLP and sonic shipper/fanartist.
I guess hololive was missing that niche though.

>>78798931
>She's british, that was going to be a given
umm no, no it's not. It's like she started watching anime like, less than 2 years ago, and prior to that couldn't point to japan on a map.

>>78799046
don't go accurately describing the feelings of other people you fuck, it's confusing not getting a (You) for replying to it

>>78798404
Flayon is far more clip-bait than Shinri so I assume that's the explanation. Flayon will spout any random thing that comes to mind while Shinri is more about having earnest conversations with chat and usually is only clippable when he's a foil for someone else.

>>78799171
She's the worst kind of anti, an anti that went with the flow of money without giving up being an anti

>>78799046
>Funds go to hiring monsters that would bash your head in and have you against the wall for just liking something different
What the fuck is this liberal mind virus of a take. Are you one of those people who think that half of the US are literal nazis for voting for trump, because you sound like one of those deranged types.

>>78799061

Genuine advice.

You literally have the power to turn a seemingly bad thing into a good thing.

Normal people see a pile of shit and think ew.
Farmer see a pile of shit and think free fertilizer.

Ponder the notion.

>>78795153
I don't want a Kuzuha, I want idols.

>>78794897
I dont think I see anyone trying to tell her what to do, just that they won't watch her and have dropped her or whatever. Which, by very definition, is respecting her collab choices. They respect it by leaving. If dickbags are being antis to her face that's one thing, but if people are just doing shit here that's another.

>>78789380
you made me check what her ccv is like. She's rock bottom of Holo EN, her median was even under kiara in may, shit is fucking dire

>>78798763
Jesus fucking christ what the fuck is this take? Is this how unironic cucks cope?
>j-just self insert as the real dude grooming your oshi

>>78798620
Well Niji was ruled out by her not liking bullies lmao.

And Vshojo seems to only like people who can actually pull in at least a few hundred to begin with beforehand - ALL of their talents have been VERY well known twitch streamers either due to drama or general talent beforehand. Plus they probably have their hands full with michi and her period talk rn.

>>78798763
>1) Imagine yourself being the guy she talks about and derive pleasure.
HAHAHAHA WTF
No guy ever done that in the history of humanity. It's so bizarre to even read it, it makes zero sense. So the take is "you're delusional, you should be a schizo instead".

>>78797182
it often refers to concurrent viewers. the ammount of digits on their view count.
0-9 ccv - 1view (a.k.a. your channel that never took off)
10-99 ccv -2view (the new guy in the block starting up)
100 - 999 ccv 3view (moderately popular channel, people without "the talent" often get stuck here)
1,000-9,999 ccv 4view (successful streamer carrier, while not superstars this often reflects enough sucess to live soley off streaming)
10,000-99,000 ccv 5view (streamer superstar, not only are they successful, they're also a beacon and have an ~influence~ over public discourse)
of course

>>78790156
got the first 25?

>>78799409
This. Fucking THIS. Hololive are all about Idols and CGDCT!

>>78799247
She supports hamas, anon. Actual, in fact, national socialists, and she thinks they're the good guys. She is one of those mind virus liberals.

>>78799605
god if only cuckoldry enjoyers weren't a thing society would be so much better, you naive optimistic bastard

>>78798616
that would not work buddy. Especially if its FuwaMoco she invited for the song then she pulled a fast homo insert.

>>78799850
That's a based mind virus actually. Seethe, zio-demon

>>78799850
Nta but something tells me a HoloEN’s group of western white women aren’t all based and redpilled.

>>78798132
well shit, this gen is doomed.

>>78799171
She's probably been an anime fan as long as you've been alive.
She's just also a normie and a #indievoiceactor
Irrelevant anyhow, the brits cannot pronounce japanese.

>>78799467
Wow, looking back it seems like everyone in en since 2022 that still streams declined except for fauna and mumei. It's almost like guys like effeminate girls with soft gfe, and not girls who abandon that for males, or the creepy yass queen slayy types like kiara who come off more anti-male than like an idol.

>>78799982
what zio-demon, they're literally your enemy as well you fuckwit, they want to genocide /everybody/ else

>>78800062
some of her impressions of the JPs were like, genuinely okay. Some of them were terrible too, sure, but you have to have some understanding of what phonemes they're using to be able to do what she did, even if it's intuitive rather than theoretical

If that doesn't extent to any other context then that's weird but she probably could do it if she put some effort in

>>78799901
Not even cucks imagine things a girl says about another guy is being said about them.

>>78789284
i will watch anyone with a brit accent desu
had enough of those american accent WHORES

>>78799247
>deranged
I'm not the people that call everyone incel and want to have a culture war over shit that they don't even care about. If she actually watches streams, good for her, but she's the one that chose to fight and it's hololive that chose her to attack the fans.
I'm sorry btw, but Cover is after all a publicly traded company, and I think you're being antisemitic comparing them to nazis.

>>78800062
unless you think you're talking to an 8 or 9 yr old, that's definitely not the case, and that's scary.
Unless we count series that she could have seen before even being aware they were anime, and not learning the lesson from that, so we don't count those

>>78800270
some british accents are better than others. Hers is kinda shit. It is what it is.

>gimmick is British
I hate it.

>>78799605
>>78799488

By that logic all porn is cuckolding because you watch another guy fuck the girl and imagine yourself as the guy.

Or consider this:
Divide your chuba's average ccv ny 2.
Probably a good amount of dudes and some of them may be even spanking the german.
Are you cucked now?

>>78799850
HAHAHA if she was a national socialist I'd watch her, but she comes off as a classic millenial britbong virtue signaling woman. If she does support hamas it's because they're brown.

>>78800337
yeah, she leaned way too far into it. Cringefest.

>>78800062
There is zero way her pronunciation would be that bad if that were the case. I don't see how you can hear her and even be arguing this, it's self evident.

>>78800382
Unfortunately it's either that or try to ignore it and get mocked anyway.

>>78788764
>bringing out TakaMori in 2024
What's next, she gonna do a PekoMiko bit?

>>78800350
>By that logic all porn is cuckolding because you watch another guy fuck the girl and imagine yourself as the guy.
It literally is you stupid faggot.

>>78800350
>all porn
Get a load of this plebeian, not strictly indulging in ENF or solo works, even gravure.

>>78800353
That's the problem, she supports national socialists without realising they are that, because it's the Current Thing to do so, she is precisely that classic millenial britbong virtue signalling woman, that supports them because they're brown lmfao.

>>78800419
I didn't hear her sing but I saw the impressions video she did of holojps and that was decent. If you're telling me she sucks otherwise that's a real shame. But also not at all unusual for Holoens. The only holoens that speak with passable prosody and with accurate phonemes are Irys and Mococo

>>78800382
Most vtubers seem to do well at toeing the line to not go into cringe territory with their RP (the successful ones anyway). That being said I'm wondering if she has the self awareness to actually identify what is cringe (old women absolutely do not have any understanding in my experience of what is or isn't in my experience).

>>78798620
SON OF A FUCKING BITCH, THE OTHER GIRLS ARE IN DANGER

>>78799919
if she does that shit she's up for the chopping block to be honest. Nevermind her being a Unity chud and how much I hate it, the moment she tries to rope others into Homo shilling without their knowledge she's in big trouble, so she won't do that. Even Ollie understands this.

>>78800585
Dude... just watch the debut before commenting here, please for the love of god. I'm not asking you to do reps on some esoteric stream years ago or something, we are talking about the literal one stream she has done.

>>78800337
Welcome to every British internet personality

>>78800690
I was cringing too hard, couldn't sit through it

>>78800350
>imagine yourself as the guy
>wanting to fuck a porn actress
jeez anon, get some standards

>>78800553
Oh okay I think I get it. When you said "funds go to hiring monsters that would bash your head in" you meant muslims

>>78800650
ironically not as much as she is in her own country because of her own actions and beliefs lmao

>>78800768
No, I didn't coin that phrase, and I don't agree with it across the board, but because she specifically chose the radical militant ones that actively do that lmao

>>78800728
Okay, me too, but she sang multiple songs in japanese as if she was trying to make the pronunciation as "Son you need to stop watching those animays" as possible.

>>78800714
Hopefully she pulls a Mori and leans more into her actual personality rather than trying to act out a character.

>>78800319
you dont know how devastated i was when amelia wasn't speaking brit
that was the greatest disappointment of all my time watching vtubers

So how do you feel about a literal normie joining your favorite vtuber idol group, anon?

>>78800846
Yeah, whatever. That wasn't clear in that post which was what was being responded to. The "and have you against the wall for just liking something different" sounded like some classic liberal rhetoric for being pro gay and pro degeneracy, with complete disregard for the context and all issues involved, just reducing it into "don't bully them!!!". Since it wasn't stated it wasn't clear, hence the confusion.

>>78800294
My understanding is that she was an elder weeb in her 30s but I might be wrong there. But she was definitely one of the inuyasha/pokemon/sonic era of light/normie weebs which puts her as being aware of anime since at least 2000.

And you sound like a nijisister so I'm pegging you at no older than 24 so yeah adds up.

Again clearly not very deep into it though as she'd at least be listing some of her favorites in her debut instead of "tv/film/anime animation"

This is the same lady that said she was a fan of strategy games and then listed valorant, fortnite, and overwatch 2 so I'm writing it off as normie retardation.

>>78800419
Have you heard the way so many brits sound when they speak japanese? The moment I see british on anything I already know my ears are going to bleed unless they're welsh.

>>78800948
that's part of the irony, she supports groups that are mortal enemies as if they're on the same side

>>78800955
>Have you heard the way so many brits sound when they speak japanese?
I've heard australian, british, german, french people pronounce japanese words completely fine because they actually consume japanese media so they know what it sounds like.

I don't get why unicorns are so mad. The cat will be as shallow as they want her to be. They like to pretend they like pure girls but then post 300 pictures while screaming about pits,tits and pussies. The cat will be as vapid as they like to pretend they don't like. I for one wish for one vtuber who does more original stuff while interacting with fans without pretending to be their girlfriend. If i want porn i can go on a porn site.

>streamer makes cringe debut
>this means she is a terrorist sympathizer according to /vt/ schizos

>>78800947
that normie has 4m subs now, so pretty good

>>78800955
Hm. light/normie fujo weebs maybe could work true, outskirts at best shit.

>>78801036
>boring brit normie that doesn't even like tea
even worse

>>78801036
>streamer makes debut so cringe people find out who she is
>her own explicitly stated views show she is a terrorist sympathiser according to herself

>>78800997
Women just think what they're told to think as they score astronomically higher on agreeableness than men, which is also why they shift drastically politically to whatever men they're in relationships with, while the guys don't move at all. The uk is a failed nation, everyone there is like that.

>>78801036
her own views state she is a terrorist sympathizer, whether or not she realises that which makes it extra sad, especially given the chance she could be /here/ egosearching

>>78801045
>Shark
>Normie
¿?¿? Her pl was an unapologetic weab, what rrats are you into?

>>78800350
Wrong forum for that analogy here dude.
It's literal self-insert hentai or gravure idols in their web history here. They're terrified of dick.

>>78801273
ironic weeb*
>PL

>>78789657
rumao so easy to bait unicorns

>>78801273
She was such a weeb she couldn't name 10 anime on her Crunchyroll interview.
>PL
>spic question mark

>>78800883
oh God that'd be horrible

>>78801309
>He doesn't know

>>78801036
everyone sympathizes with them these days
talibros and houthis sympathized by men
hamas and hezbollah sympathized by women

>>78800224
Evil jews like you run my country, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

>>78801045
Gura?
That girl cycled between idolizing nyanners, being an alcoholic shut-in neet, and making the best meme songs you've heard before coming to hololive, when she wasn't writing the very not-normal lyrics to belle delphine's songs.
She was also /here/ before the antis drove her off.

>>78795153
Kuzuha is a botnigger and has an obsession with le noombers that would make /#/ blush, he doesn't count

>>78801464
fuck makes you think I'm jewish you retard?
You see an ant and think that means you're an ant too?
Look at a tree and think you're a tree?
Moron

>>78801382
Both her current and previous avatars were based off of her favorite anime.
She's an unapologetic lolicon.
Can't tell if you're an ironic anti or just retarded.

>>78801498
yeah but everybody idolized nyanners before they were backstabbed so that hardly counts

>>78801547
Cry kike. Hezbollah is gonna wreck your shit

Her debut was better than Gigi's but they both sucked, to be fair. My cope is that debut cringe typically isn't indicative of how the talent will be further down the line.

>>78801498
>when she wasn't writing the very not-normal lyrics to belle delphine's songs
Oh god I forgot that shit even happened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps7zhDeCK0M

>>78801584
Well no, not everyone. Most second/third wave vtubers didn't/don't know who she was, as well as any vtubers after that. I haven't looked into the PL of elizabeth much, but do you think she really was a nyanners fan?

>>78799046
>and she has the audacity to call us bullies
All she said is that she hates bullies and that's it, the fact that you unicorns are getting offended by this speaks for itself.

>>78801574
Shana?
You really reckon the posts are all just deep-cover camo?
We'll see, maybe that's the case, but it's one hell of a risk to take

>>78801623
Can the entire Levant just randomly explode so that this problem goes away?

>>78801026
Ideologues are always mad at reality for not being a reflection of their ideals.

>>78801309
She was a weeb before unironic weebs existed.

>>78801623
not jewish, not braindead enough to think hezbollah can stop the infighting long enough to even have a pitched battle, let alone win.
try again moron

>SEAs complaining about Muslims
Oh the irony.

>>78798763
It's not about wanting to fuck your oshi. It's about preventing others from doing so.

>>78801522
Maybe, but after magni left, the few girls that I knew that were into hololive irl and not massive lesbians, also gave up on anything hololive because of his "mistreatment," and that's a good chunk of people just...gone.
And that boy does numbers where he is now.

>>78801699
The reality of the homos is that they aren’t Holos, so I guess /FAGS/ reflects your sentiment to a T.

>>78801699
seeing as she was, at best, pretending to be an ideologue, that doesn't really settle much

>>78801747
SEAs are muslims though?

>>78799850
>She supports hamas, anon. Actual, in fact, national socialists
Holy based. Are you trying to make me like her?

>>78801769
Says nobody in the company that you actually have nothing to do with

>>78801777
That was my point.

>>78801026
>If i want porn i can go on a porn site.
This is the worst argument whenever it comes up, it always goes:
>"What you want girls being cute in media? Why not watch porn instead you freak. Girls should all be ugly, gross, aggressive, and also better than men at everything, in fact we (ahem) don't need men. Oh yeah this hobby wasn't made for you, you aren't welcome anymore"

>>78801799
no you idiot, they want to kill you too

>>78801584
The normies heavily hated nyanners before she did an aboutface and decided she hated lolis despite her shota fanfics.
You're moving goalposts to keep insisting Gura's a normie for...no understandable reason.

>>78801856
>/v/ brainworms
Oh no it's terminal.

>>78797182
>what is a 5view?
kek reddit tranny invasion

>>78801859
I'm not Jewish

>>78801815
Cover has stated it multiple times, both in word and in action.

>>78789380
She doesn't even collab with homoen and homobeggar are still seething to this day for not having aussie vs aussie
>inb4 bettel/shinri watchalong
Do you want to be reminded that homobeggar literally begged them to collab and they promise to never make that offhand promise ever again.

>>78801893
This was the last xbox showcase. This is what the "just watch porn" freaks on twitter want media to look like. Suffice to say you aren't on this board to consume shit like that, so why argue for it.

>>78801870
I'm not the one that suggested Gura was a normie, you handed the wrong person a (You).
I wasn't counting the normies in 'everyone' because I'm talking in-industry, why the fuck would I include tourists as citizens

>>78801668

Elizabeth? Unlikely, though her previous avatar is a vrchat thot design that reminds me of veibae

Pretty sure their comment of "everyone" was unrelated to elizabeth.

>>78801966
Inoperable.

>>78789657
Homosister will unironically believe while pressing twitter likes.

>>78800686
>so she won't do that
she blatantly reached out to the Homos PRE-DEBUT. If anything this tells me she is NOT afraid of the consequences so she might actually legit pull something like inviting CGDCT Holos into a collab then suddenly inserting a Homo in.

>>78800948
You're not talking to >>78799247 here
my response was
>>78800282
I actually think that cover's hiring strategy might as well be a part of esg or dei. I wasn't calling her Muslim at all. Seeing her cute drawings might as well be Boeing planes falling out of the sky.

>>78801922
There's no way you're actually stupid enough to think that's the only group of people they want to kill when they've explicitly stated it's not, holy shit

>>78801856
No, you disingenuous freak, what i was talking about was the retards who actually do want only that from the girls. The usual "looking respectfully" or "AYO" or "SHOW US BOOBS" and garbage like that. I have no issues with sex appeal, what i have issues with is the majority of this community seems to want to steer vtubers into what the vrchat girls actually are. At least the twitch community is doing it without hiding their intent. You are literally no better than the ones you argue against. I genuinely want someone like Gigi to do community games with chat or choose your own adventure type stuff and i am not joking. I really wished for Shiori to be that until you monkeys decided that you want to RP with the HOT TITTY GF.

>>78802009
I'll agree to deal with them after they finish off Israel until then they can do what they want. There should be no reason to have issue with that

>>78801966
hot

>>78801761
literally could not care any less

>>78802026
>until you monkeys decided
Let's be real, shiori went into that on her own from the start and I never asked for or even hold that against her

>>78801769
>The reality of the homos is that they aren’t Holos
The reality is that Holostars are part of HoloPro since... forever, sucks for you!

>>78802009
Hey retard, only one of those groups has international influence and owns the majority of all banks and governments.
Should be easy to pick a side if you're not one of them.

>>78791405
>1 april tweet

>>78802075
seeing as china is the one backing them against israel, even outside of whatever doomer reason you've got to hate that country it'd still be wrong to side with the tusken

>>78801923

And yet the boys still enjoy their holo employment together with its fat holo paychecks while also rubbing shoulders with your holo girls on occasion.

What does it say about Cover actions and words?

>>78801971
Because you replied to me when I pointed out that Gura liked nyanners during her 4chan arc and was therefore not a normie.
Reading comprehension

>>78802110
So you pick the fucking zhangs? God damn, ok

>>78802109
You always try this, but being tangentially connected to Cover’s IPs does not a Holo make.

>>78802110
it hasn't been Big Sand v Big Star for over a decade, it's Big Burger v Bing Chilling anon

>>78801966
>top row, 3rd column
Looks like that goblina from that DAZ studio WEG. You know the one.

>>78802192
Over the kikes? Yes any day of the week

>>78802167
I’ll ask you for verifiable proof of each of those claims while simultaneously reminding you that this doesn’t make them Holos.

>>78802026
>You are literally no better than the ones you argue against.
Horseshoe fallacy

>I really wished for Shiori to be that until you monkeys decided that you want to RP with the HOT TITTY GF.
Look you dumbfuck, let me spell it out. Shiori in her debut was dropping GFE bullshit left and right, she was clearly setting up for a gfe angle, then out of nowhere she drops male collab bullshit, completely derailing the whole thing. She brought that on herself 100%. It was her stupid idea that she could have people drooling over her, while she drools over other guys in the process.
It made no fucking sense so she was rightfully shit on. She cultivated the "hot titty gf" angle herself, do you have selective memory loss?

>>78802110
Hello dubai
Also why is /pol/ in my vtuber discussion?

>>78801966
they are on this board for that, they're either here to support their sister, or they're hoping the other sisters will sabotage themselves and they alone will get homo dick

>>78802260
kek

>>78802217
>tangentially connected
You'll never guess what the "Holo" in "HoloPro" stands for!

>>78802192
Jews are the cause of evil on this planet. They are the only group without souls. I would ally with anyone to reduce them to insignificance permanently.

>>78802305
because erb is a married current-thing enjoyer and this is a thread about her

>>78802327
Okay I give you that, there are people who don't watch streams at all here. In this thread you had someone claiming that Elizabeth's japanese pronunciation wasn't bad, even though he didn't even watch her stream or listen to her sing.

>>78802353
Why would you call 'arch evil' somebody that isn't even the best at doing the things you claim they do, that's just retarded

>>78802349
That's antisemitic

>>78802349
>what HoloPro stands for
Evidently, not being a member of Hololive, as has already been established.

>>78794897
>RESPECT THEIR COLLAB CHOICES
This is funny coming from homosister that consistently going into holoen stream and chat demanding them to acknowledge the bois and collab with them and called their fanbase incel. But i have never seen the opposite of unicorn going into homo stream and chat doing the same thing.
Are sister just a massive hypocrite.

>>78802429
>claim
Post kippah

>>78802408
when she did impressions of the JP holos, her pronunciation wasn't holding her back as much as you might expect from someone with zero ability to hit the phonemes in Japanese. She was hitting the right phonemes

>>78802291
No its not horseshoe fallacy when the only difference between people asking for tits in twitch and you "hardcore true vtuber fans" is that you post wanting to see their tits over here instead of twitter/twich.

Shiori didn't even debut yet when the people here and on twitter already decided her role for her. I don't give a shit about your mental illness about male collabs, what i am talking here is the actually interesting streams like the bugs amber thing and the microbes and stuff like that. Which she did want to do but since you ADHD riddled retards can't keep your attention on something if it doesn't involve boobs she went back to the thing that works. Enjoy your cookie cutter idols now who are streamlined into doing the most basic shit ever. At least she will say your name once in a while

>>78802478
The impressions were never what people were talking about.

>>78802408
I watched the other girl, elizabeth's debut was just too cringe

>>78802525
right but if she was capable of hitting phonemes like a Japanese person in 2021, she should still be able to do that in 2024 assuming she actually bothers to like she did back then

>>78802508
>Shiori didn't even debut yet when the people here and on twitter already decided her role for her
BULLSHIT, people always post shit, she didn't have to play it up, she chose to do that. I guess in your head women are never responsible for anything right.

>>78802456
>Evidently, not being a member of Hololive, as has already been established.
>>78801769
>they aren’t Holos
Correct, that's not what they said initally though! glad we cleared that up.

>>78789657
I want whatever you are smoking mate, this is the good shit

Official Debut ranking

Green > Yellow >>>> Pink >>>> shit >>> Red

>>78788764
My Queen.

>>78789877
I dunno bro, homosister are a schizo here and outside. This could be how they think.

>>78802584
She literally did have to play it up because otherwise the momentum would be gone. And i do hold her responsible as well. I can talk for myself so i would appreciate it if you would stop making assumptions. Everything isn't as black or white as your mind likes to make things seem

>>78802281

Hololive Island Key Visual.
Uproar raiding Kobo's 3D debut.
Or just type in "Holostar hololive collab" in YT and see the list of results.
For a bunch of punks who are not part of hololive they sure are more involved then any outside indie. How curious.

Listen mate, I get it. You don't like guys because they break your immersion.
But that's not a problem. Your attitude is the problem.

>>78802736
Okay, so she had to play it up, but by that logic why did she "have" to bring up male collabs?
See what I mean? In your mind she can't be responsible for any of her bad decisions, it's just everyone else's fault. On one hand she has agency to say what she wants, but when that makes her look bad she was forced to do it. Bullshit.

From the start if she wanted $$$ she should have gone 100% gfe and played into the momentum even harder.

>>78802167
I hope you're not talking about en, lol.

>>78802464
I'm not buying or making something I have no connection to to post an image of it just to vindicate the brainrot of a complete moron, I'm not that desperate for attention god damn

>>78795629
Mumei streams pretty little, and out of those 39 streams like 10+ should be unarchived karaoke, then some events like her outfit reveal. Tons of big raids, sometimes multiple per stream. Botted a couple of times. She can still get ok numbers, but what you see there is pretty inflated. Left alone streaming some game she would be sometimes below 6-7k

>>78788764
nice anti thread

>>78802508
>shiori didn't even debut yet when people decided her role for her
>here and twitter
you mean the character artist and modeler(s)?
The ones that gave her the design that inevitably gave everybody the expectations of what she'd be?
The exact same as happened with every other debut to date, especially for Sana and Aloe, which is the only reason anybody cares or pretends to care about them anymore outside of their prior/current fanbase?

>>78803019
Any thread for an anti is going to become an anti thread until the anti themselves prove they aren't an anti, what did you expect

>>78802991
And? How does that differ from the others? Over time it all averages out and she and fauna are pulling bigger numbers than they were 2 years ago, unlike everyone else.

>>78802897
Thats not a point that i will argue against because i said that i will hold her accountable. At the same time i see the internet's attitude and i also hold them accountable for it. I am also going to again state that i don't give a shit about male collabs, this conversation is not about that but the way she was steering towards the content she does now. I understand male collabs is a big talking point over here but i am talking about the tragedy of just trying something else and not being popular because people needed her to be the needy goth gf

>>78803036
I admit that she must be held accountable but apparently that ends with twitter,the modeler,the artist and everybody else right? I mean surely every coked up "vtuber enjoyer" over here jacking it to smudged eye liner shiori was not wishing for the character to go in that direction right?

>>78789284
I'll watch the collabs :)

>>78803143
Just some context.

I didn't watch the debut, kinda impressive that we have 5+ threads for the red one and i think zero for the loli.

>>78803170
it was convenient for her to continue that prediction caused by her model, yes.
And it's on her that she did, it's on them for causing it, it's on the fans for falling for it.
If it wasn't on her at all though, nobody would be angry at nyanners for abandoning her fanbase though

>>78803170
>but i am talking about the tragedy of just trying something else and not being popular
I can tell you right now, no girl is joining hololive to "just try something else and not be popular".

>I admit that she must be held accountable but apparently that ends with twitter,the modeler,the artist and everybody else right?
Even now you are still trying to claim that the artists doing their job to make a compelling character makes them responsible for shiori not fulfilling her role as an entertaining correctly.

The artist(s) did their job, they made a popular and compelling character, everything a producer could ask for, and you're trying to spin that as something that twitter, the modeler, and artist need to be "responsible for" now? They did everything right and laid the groundwork for her success and you're STILL acting like they did something wrong. You are absolutely cooked dude.

>>78803507
>Even now you are still trying to claim that the artists doing their job to make a compelling character makes them responsible for shiori not fulfilling her role as an entertaining correctly.

I was going for another angle but i can assume the message got lost. I read the other reply as everybody else was at fault but we have to stop at /vt/ because they surely don't need to be held accountable and thats why i said what i said about the twitter,artist etc.

>>78803280
Because Yellow isn't as garbage as Red and Pink.

>>78803280
the loli is just middle of the road, maybe it'll be good, maybe bad, we'll see from here.
red has to work up from the negatives.
Which one you think is going to get threads?

>>78803280
She's not even a loli. Just a brat.

>>78802886
You made sone wildly inflated claims there, and screentime for sparse colabs or events doesn’t suffice it.