/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>78779098
Yeah seems clear that the EN talent well of people willing to join a JP corpo has run dry.

Watch streams, anon. They were having fun

Nerissa is scared right now

>no Fuwamoco block game kino this weekend
>to watch this dumpster fire

it's not like they would have been fired if justice turned out better than them

Shiori is the Ringo Starr of this gen

>>78779098

>>78780272
What does she have to be scared of? Her competition is a bri-ish homo-collaber who just filtered most of her audience the day of her debut. Nerissa will be fine

>>78780861
>phaseconnect
>Indonesia
uh?

>>78779098
Pebblephiles are safe

Ngl the entirety of Advent going quiet when Liz was gushing about homocock was very funny
I knew the dogs would be silent, but didn't expect the entire gen to do it
HoloEN is 15

>>78779098
Red really boosted Nerissa's stock. She just showed how much worse Nerissa could have been if she didn't go full CGDCT.

>>78783374
they had almost 1 yr to learn the Holorules of vtubing

>>78779098
They're not in the same timezone anyway, EN4 won't be competing with anyone else for views.

>>78780272
nah, nerissa's fine her gachis are gonna stay.

>>78783374
absolute based gen.

>>78780164
Sisters don't watch streams.

>>78783374
They were quiet because they were witnessing a girl committing career suicide live.

>>78783374
Every gen except Advent has had homocollabers.
>Mori
>Bae
>Kronii
>Most assuredly Elisabeth
Advent is the CGDCT generation

>>78784023
>Every gen except Advent has had homocollabers.
retard

>>78779098
Nerissa and Shiori were probably smirking inside because red was the biggest threat to them. They aren't losing shit to her.

>>78780272
>Midwest singer that's actually into anime shit
>afraid of britbong homonigger
tell me your a coping euro without telling me

>>78779098
Nice try Millie, go and stream for the 9 people that watches you, or make us a favor and kill yourself that would be nice too.

>>78784342
Nerissa I understand but Liz has zero fucking overlap with Shiori at all what the fuck are you talking about.

>>78783843
>nerissa's fine her gachis are gonna stay.
maybe some, but I already saw some of them on twitter call erb based for talking to the guys

>>78784267
THIS FAT SONNVA BITCH
HE'S FAT
I'LL MAKE HIM BLEED

>>78779098
I kneel to FWMC and shiori being silent when the homos came out. How can they be so based.

>>78784267
anon... shiori has had yorick with her this whole time.

>>78780272
If ERB wasn't a homobeggar she would be scared but ERB fucked up

>>78784586
uhh what? nerissa's gachis are on twitter calling erb based for talking to guys. do you retards read what you type?

>>78780864
>most

>>78779945
Thats not it. It's Cover's HR that is trash and hires the worst people.

>>78783374
Got a timestamp?

>>78784002
funniest shit I've read all night

>>78784342
outside of niji, is there any other one do corp vs same corp? cause i for sure you do compare between holo girl and you gonna get shit on anywhere except 4chan

>>78783374
i applaud them for not saying anything i was cackling like a hyena the entire time

>>78784023
No wonder that in 2024 Advent is the strongest gen (obviously in their prime Myth was stronger but that was the Covid bump).

>>78784342
Don't know about Shiori but Nerissa absolutely was relieved, she got real quiet when ERB started singing but then lightened up after the homobegging

Korone, bless her soul, was the only one who could maintain enthusiasm throughout the whole thing and actually finished her stream after everyone else. She literally just ended it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NIO6ZWxMCA

>>78784023
didn't Rissa collab with Zentreya

>>78783374
FWMC's influence, the dogs are the saviors of EN idol side

>>78785303
that makes me feel kind of sad for nerissa

>>78785360
But Korone could stream for another 72 hours if she wanted, not a good comparison, anon.

>>78785454
Homos are Holostars, not males in general.

>>78783374
Shiori wasn't really surprising either considering she's been around for so long
I was surprised that Nerissa was also quiet

Even the JPs know

>>78785454
Most people don't know who is a man behind a text to speech or not. Without to mention that a lot of people seem to think it's just rumors spread by antis.

>>78784991
same lmao

>>78783374
Timestomp?

>>78785360
If anyone is going to be supportive for a debut, it's Korone, considering how hers went.

>>78783374
I'm convinced that FWMC wanting to be hardcore idols kinda bleed over to the rest of Advent, similarly how Ame's attitude influenced Myth and early-Coucil/Promise into the attitude they have.

>>78785877
FWMC filter the fuck out of me but honestly I can respect them for actually doing shit properly.

>>78780272
Her pussy is dripping wet bro

>>78785739
it's litterally the same as here kek

>>78785360
>of all people, expecting Korone to clown on a debut stream.
It's a miracle she wasn't fired immediately after her complete and utter failure of a debut. Not like "oh no she mentioned holostars" failure but like she nearly broke NDA, couldn't get the stream to function, and ended up needing her genmates to come into the debut to try to salvage it, including one who hadn't actually debuted yet.
And now look where she is.

>>78785739
Seems like /jp/tards larping.

>>78780272
are you saying elizabeth is her competition? if i were nerissa, i wouldn't be afraid at all

>>78786149
westoids, eastoids, we all share the same single brain cell

This feels like a monkey's paw situation for euros. They finally get holos streaming in their timezone, BUT they're led by an ultra-homocollaber.

>>78786149
People are people at the end of the day.

>>78779098
cover better not let in another garbage next year

>>78786198
Truly one of the best streamers about time.

>>78786198
Korone did almost the same when she panicked and called okayu before her debut to play games instead of continuing her debut stream lol.

>>78780272
Are you kidding m8? Nerissa is in a fantastic position now.

>>78786198
>she nearly broke NDA
how so?

>>78786462
>Nerissa is in a fantastic position now.
How?

>>78783374
ADVENT LOVE

>>78780272
Did you not see how they all went quiet. You can say the dogs did it because they will never acknowledge stars. But the others have brought up males. They went silent since she had the potential to be amazing with her singing then blew it all away in that same stream.
Nerissa isn't scared, she's probably quite content with this outcome.

>>78784888
Seriously

>>78786491
calling someone outside the company to help her, probably

>>78786327
Tell me about it.
>Always wanted a bong
>Always wanted an ojou
>Lady knights are my favorite archetype
>Even fucking same birthday as I
>They give the role to this basic bitch
I hate Yagoo so fucking much

>>78786492
You know how 7/10 hang out with ugly girls to make themseleves look 8/10?

>>78786462
>>78786492
She's on top of me and I'd say it feels pretty good.

Realistically however Nerissa is very much more of a classical Holo setup of being business-yuri and has a senpai she fawns over etc, vs Erb's strategy usually backfiring as we can see from Ollie/Kronii/Ame/Matsuri/Laplus/Ririka etc.

>>78780864
Most of Nerissa's audience are homobegging twitchfags

>>78786491
I'll just grab the pasta

>Hoo boy, I keep hearing absolute horror stories about Korone's debut. It's actually insane how far she's come from that horrible, horrible stream. Talk about an idol journey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qap7HFEx_oM
>had no idea how to stream
>weird music was playing superloud
>stream overlay was broken
>no prep she had nothing to talk about
>showed her manager’s discord message having a meltdown on stream
>was pissing off the listeners
>korone was acting like its fine and didnt care
>couldnt even use her avatar right
>called okayu before okayu even debutted on stream
>okayu started panicing almost crying asking fubuki for help
>fubuki and mio barged on stream legit telling off korone she cant show discord messages on stream
>korone laughed it off thinking it was banter and didnt take em seriously
>stream kept breaking coz korone didnt know how to setup obs and shit
>impromtu collab during her debut with fubuki and mio to just skip the debut and play splatoon to save the stream

>>78783374
>>78785877
You guys give FWMC too much credit. Biboo has been this way since the beginning, and would have been like this even if FWMC didn't exist.

>>78786198
It was a different time. Some of the girls doesn't have their debuts up precisely because of how bad they were.
I think Aki was the one who debuted with just her smartphone propped on the washing machine or something like that.

>>78783374
Truly the best EN gen

>>78786858
At the time it was considered the worst debut ever, however it's kind of in the "so bad it's good" category vs for example debut Ame being something like I legitimately never want to see that again.

Also Pekora's debut was really kinda bad too, she was very timid and mellow and completely unlike what she developed into. It's weird how that works but you can just see it as time progresses and entertainers figure out what works or not and pivot towards it. Kinda like in Seinfeld, season 1 had Kramer being a pretty normal guy and within a few seasons he's a spastic half-retarded goofball.

>>78787240
>vs for example debut Ame being something like I legitimately never want to see that again.
QRD?

>>78787025
>Biboo has been this way since the beginning
As biboo? Yes. But she wasn't like this since the beginning.

>>78786583
had it not been for Shondo she'd be in right now

>>78786858
K I N O

Such a classic blessed holo moment that should never be forgotten.

>>78779098
We all know they've done much boringer things than this.

>>78786778
Wtf she has beggars? You'd think with her constantly flirting with her chat and her not wanting her own father and brother as well as her sister's husbands on stream, they'd get the memo

>>78783374
>HoloEN is 15
Dont do my girl Gigi like this. I promise you she will be better

>>78780272
Nerissa's the biggest winner so far. She's going to have a good night's sleep after watching her biggest potential threat in the new gen self-immolate live.

>>78786858
I thought Korone was a NND streamer? How did she not know anything? I get that Youtube is different but still

>>78784023

>>78787425
If it was possible to physically cringe yourself inside-out IRL, it would have happened turned Ame's debut.

I mean, let's be fair, there's a massive difference on standards and how things should be judged based on the when.
A debut being a clusterfuck back then when no one knew what the fuck they were doing is whatever. It gets a pass. Kinda. You cannot justify the same now that they're a proper massive company with a shitton of talents and have gone through this song and dance countless times.

>>78786778
people still homobeg advent? thats fucking pathetic

I'm all about that idol journey so girls having bad debut is not an issue, the real test will be if the girls will adjust to be successful hololive streamers. Only time will tell.

>>78787425
Bad bri'ish LARP and bad acid trip LARP at the same time.

>>78785739
What did they think of Gigi?

>>78787890
they didnt like her voice

>>78779098
Advent didnt even get a year to stand on their own. They def view these new undesirables as competition

>>78786858
That's the only time I've heard Fubuki legitimately pissed off on stream. She was actually upset Korone was bungling it

>>78784922
at 1:02:15
https://youtu.be/1OFWd11RsGo?t=3734

>>78787967
I had hope it was gonna be stong gen on gen unity after advent's stong group relations

that died real fast

>>78787734
No one on NND gives a shit, its a way more casual streaming environment than even Twitch.

>>78787967
Neither did Myth. Council is the only Gen that got over a year.

>>78784950
Because /vt/ isn’t a hugbox where you have to speak the popular opinion under fear of getting downdooted or ratioed to oblivion

>>78780272
British bitch is a homonigger, nerissa will be fine

>>78785360
What was hilarious was Korone attempting to translate for JP's, failing miserably, then smugly proclaiming her talent. AI translation probably would be more accurate, but will never match Korone's enthusiasm

>>78784586
If they're calling Elizabeth based for that then they aren't Nerissa's gachis

>>78788219
even though i never watched her, i miss Sana

>>78788330
She was kino, don't let anyone ever tell you she wasn't.

>>78787452
source

>>78788227
>Because /vt/ isn’t a hugbox
This is perhaps the most circlejerk board on the website
t. tourist

>>78784267
fuck off, fuwamoco has NEVER collabed with that guy

>>78780272
Nerissa couldn't have asked for a better debut stream lmao

>>78785739
>1072
I definitely made that post

>>78786858
based korosan..

>>78788118
Based

>>78786858
They should have this as a mandatory watch, on what not to do and how to not be nervous because boy one can't bungle a debut as bad as Korone but look where she is now.

>>78787603
Jailbird here. Yes she still has beggars, lots of music, twitter, twitch and shorts crowd. Majority of them are greys. Only one of the female paypigs has already denounced Rissa and approved ERB. But she was also a beggar.

>>78788284
>Liz: I hate bullies and bullying
>Korone: BULLY? I LOVE THAT GAME
Based dog not understanding English

>>78788330
She had terrible voice. A streamer lives and dies by the voice, there was simply no hope for her. She wasn't bad as a person though, she was pretty wholesome, better than most of EN desu.

>>78783374
The hilarious thing is that people are going to believe you despite this being the most easily disprovable lie ever, because nobody here watches streams, let alone VODs.

>>78786858
KINO and SOVL

>>78787967
Competition would be fine but Justice will probably be shoehorned into lot of stuff they do considering how they paired their gens

>>78788118

>>78786327
This seems like an attempt to promote homos to what cover believes to be a new audience. Get euros sucked in by a shiny new "EU" gen and then redirect them towards the homostars.

>>78786327
truly EU is a blight on this earth

>>78788118
>you don't have to put someone else down to put someone else up
>sisters immediately start shitting on gigi to life red up

>>78783374
meds. now.

>>78788118
I already see fellow unicorns posting in the comment section. Unfathomably based.

>>78788964
I hope britbong wont damage Advent
Especially FWMC & Biboo

>>78788854
Eh... While it's true to some extent, some can just tank the debuff and grow regardless.
Just look at Doki, or in the most extreme case, Zen.

>>78779098
I told you mogojan! Theres nothing to worry about

>>78785877
In rissa's debut, she literally calls Hololive an idol company. They were all good hires.

>>78788330
She had the most creativity and personality in her gen; I know ESL's couldn't stand her speaking, but I always thought she did a great job making Australian sound good. Trading her for tempus was the worst mistake Cover has done

>>78788894
but it was already linked with a timestamp?

>>78788854
She wasn't terrible and I actually got used to and liked her voice. What really killed he is the lack of streaming and frequent pause.

>>78788746
Korone said when Hololive trains the new girls now, they use her stream as an example of a bad stream

>>78789241
i had two massive reasons for loving her

>>78787603
What did you think was going to happen after she collabed with several twitch thots?

>>78787853
honestly sounds cute

>>78779098
Holo vs Holo but that's to be expected when you have no other competitor

>>78784586
>on twitter
So people who don't even watch streams? Nerissa has nothing to fear.

>>78786858
literally the most SOVL of any holo debut i've ever seen to this day

>>78784267
no, that's mococo, THATS JUST MOCOCO TALKING!!!! PERO IS NOT REALLLLLLLL

>>78780272
She was probably scared up until ERB started shilling homos on stream lol.

>>78789241
Sana’s problem was that she held back until her graduation tour. Her shitposting Aussie nature didn’t come out until then, because of her constant long breaks it felt like she was repeating debut month every comeback. Didn’t help that management kept shutting down her ideas and that killed her motivation.

>>78789545
Meds rn anon.

You're talking nonsense again

>>78788425
I would gladly do it, but blame this board rules. Since I can't change IPs right now, if I got banned, I won't be able to post during tomorrow debuts.
You can find the proofs if you search the archives. There is one about FFXIV, and one about PLs. It's the second one you want iirc.

>>78788330
her graduation was a canon event to pave way for the superior Promise

>>78780272
>Hotter
>amazing debut cover
>family buff
>no homo debuff
>3D upcoming
>likes being an idol
She'll be fine

>>78789547
No way she actually did it on stream.

>>78789393
It would be okay as a joke stream a month in I guess, but as a debut it sucked.

They should have hired Shondo or Lumi

>>78789847
If only you knew how bad things really were

>>78789941
They should have hired Asmongold, Forsen, Xqc and Jerma. Imagine how good of a gen that'd be. Missed opportunity.

>>78789792
what's PL?

>>78787607
I like her.

>>78790059
Lurk moar.

>>78788854
not even the voice. she was pretty much nonexistent until her graduation. it's sad because i have a lot of the same interests that she did.

>>78790046
Beetlejuice clears those frauds

>>78790059
Private Ligma

>>78789617
Yeah. Cover scouting picking out a talented shitposter, then omegatranny wanting nothing of her and pushing her out. Left hand not talking to right.

>>78789847
>*smokes fag* ello chaps ow abowt we takes a ganda *loses empire* at mah fan drawin of deez eer olo stars *let's in foreigners*

>>78783374
>I knew the dogs would be silent, but didn't expect the entire gen to do it
I knew the entire gen would be silent.

>>78790059
Polak

>>78790046
should have hired Fren-kun

>>78790059
Pig Latin

>>78779945
Stop stirring shit up sisters don't you have a streamer to watch? Wait what happened that's so weird why isn't vox streaming?

>>78790059
Piss Licker

>>78790059
Private Lime, a youtuber who makes Project Zomboid videos. It's her ex-boyfriend.

>>78783374
I feel bad for the girls, it’s obvious that they want to like her but she’s a complete homosister. Nerissa breathed a sign of relief knowing her gachis aren’t gonna jump ship.

>>78783374
It just started and you retards are already starting shit just because she was talking about coworkers. Jesus Christ. I love the dogs but even their commitment to not addressing the holostars appears less than your guys love to bring out the homolust that lives in your head.

>>78790440
this seems the right answer

I love myth but advent is by far the best gen out of EN. Like for JP the 3rd gen is the strongest.

My friends and I were all drinking and watching the debuts as a break between Elden Ring DLC and everyone else muted ERB by the second song. Her voice was atrocious, she couldn't hit notes, was lagging on sections repeatedly, can't pronounce Japanese words for shit, and her English singing was just as bad.

When you compare this to Love Me, Love Me, Love me how can you think for a single second she's a "good singer"? I am assuming astroturfing at this point. She's a Bijou-tier singer at best, but it feels worse since she is acting like she's hot shit and not just someone having fun.

>>78790440
>inb4 I get banned because how good of a bait this is

>>78790016
Show me.

>>78790366
>Oshi and the others that I like aren't streaming
Maybe later. For now I'll be watching someone else while doing GW.

i didn't give a single shit about either of them, just give me gigi porn

>We don't have to worry about the new girls, Moco-chan

>>78790704
What? Bruv you drank too much, ERB voice is her only saving grace.

>>78783374
Pretty sure they did not sign up for watchalong just to be spat in the face by the new member who is doing opposite of what they have done for past year. With the live coming up and all, drama is just bad for business.

>>78790046
/#/‘s dream lineup unironically

>>78790886
imagine the fucking smell

>>78790984
Honestly, what the fuck was with all the watchalongs? Felt artificial as fuck. Why is Yagoo wanting to push this gen so much?

>>78790965
Thank you for confirming it's astroturfing. I'd be a lot more worried if people were being serious and actually liked her singing.

>>78790046
I would watch Stars exclusively for Jerma. The other 3, not so much. Especially not xQc

>>78790886
i'm gonna reach into that side slit in her shorts and NO ONE CAN STOP ME

>>78790886
placing my face next to one of her sleeve exhausts after she's done streaming

>OMG SHE GUSHED ABOUT HOMOS ON STREAM
>No one has yet linked the part where she allegedly did this

>>78790046
Jerma is retired though

>>78790780
>>78767176

>>78791175
>>78790744 here

>>78791198
yeah but DEMON LORD ZERAXOS isn't

I genuinely don't get how this girl got picked in all honesty.
Homos are one thing but the biggest red flags to me was how she didn't even have a list of favorite anime or anything, just a omg I totally love anime just like you and of course the one thing she sings is from Howl. And the vidya list was so ridiculously basic too.
This girl's powerlevel is even lower than that of a farmer.
How did such a raging normalfag managed to get here?

>>78779098
so were any of rrats right?

>>78791254
>>78791269
>autists on /vt/ don't know natural silence from actual awkward silence
no surprise

>>78791509
Token-hire or homo promoter. No other possible reason

>>78791509
I mean listing generic anime is more stupid than just talking about anime while watching it during the season. It's so retarded to have generic stuff that you don't enjoy just to say it.

>>78791509
the requirement for hiring was to say yes to homos

>>78788118
Am i missing something here? she didn't say anything about them, I see the pictures of them, but you guys were acting like she went on some rant about the homos and everyone ignored her

>>78789805
This is truth. Irys was better as a group member than as a solo Vsinger.

If she is who I think she is, pretty sure she is british married hag

>>78789805
i will never consider irys as part of the council group

>>78789545
back to the cock and ball torture chamber until you start making sense

>>78791715
It's about making a good first impression.
Like, even putting I don't know Frieren, Bocchi and Naruto would make a ton of people go OMG SHE LIKES THOSE SUPER POPULAR ANIME JUST LIKE ME.
It's just like when you don't know the answer to a question on a test. Putting anything is better than leaving it blank since maybe you'll luckshit into an answer.
But even if I agree with you there's her basic bitch white woman vidya taste. Gigi and her are like night and day. I got whiplash from how different it was.

>>78791985
if anything, my worry is about how the hell this group is gonna gel. elizabeth and gigi are clearly paired together lorewise, and they're hags who speciated in completely different directions. it really feels like they wont be able to bridge it

>>78791509
>>78791985
Why would Cover hire based on powerlevels? Perhaps their strategy is to diversify their talent pool, and its hard to compete with archweebs like Irys or FWMC.

>>78788330
>>78788403
I miss Sana too, but her graduating was probably the best thing that could've happened to her reputation. She graduated right before HomostarsEN dropped, and even managed to acknowledge them during her graduation stream. In a way, she was the proto Homocollaber. You just know this board would've hated her if she remained in Hololive.

>>78791744
>Am i missing something here?
Yes: that unicorns are deranged and will take any excuse to anti the girls.

>>78792178
>Why would a restaurant hire based on if you have knowledge of food

>>78791543
of PLs, nobody predicted red, though she came up as an EN2 suggestion. She even came up as an example of someone Holo certainly wouldn't get.
Gigi's PL was suggested and a funny video was posted but she wasn't the one people had settled on I think.
of characters, red's star collabs are confirmed, and I think there's more evidence now that "rudely ignore Fuwamoco" is something she'd do, but that's not confirmed.
all rrats about Gigi's roommate background were wrong.

Seems weird to just recycle the same gimmicks like singer diva and zoomer gamer loli. Hope the other two are more unique

>>78792238
frankly less people are even talking about her and are more just responding to the usual twittercucks in general

>>78792165
>elizabeth and gigi are clearly paired together lorewise
Elizabeth and Shiori is a million times more hilarious. What a total mismatch.

>>78792289
Good thing they're not hired to be shilling or reviewing anime. People have been talking about how the VTuber space has been getting saturated for years now; if you want to succeed you need to have something more than liking games and anime. Anyone who wants that has likely already found an oshi and is unlikely to be additional revenue, so powerlevels become less of a factor.

>>78791509
she's an experienced VA hag with a decent resume. they probably considered her a safe hire, not realizing it's always the old liberal white women you gotta watch out for...

>>78792382
i know they're both gen leaders, but it seems salvageable that elizabeth is the singer and therefore her pairing is rissa. gigi is obviously fuwamoco. i have a feeling green girl might be a good match for shiori

>>78784267
GET DOWN PORO@!!@@@@!

>>78790704
No, no, she's probably the best technically sound singer in Hololive so far, but I've never seen anyone butcher Daddy Daddy Do so badly, not even terrible singers.
>Oh wowee I can sing in TWO octaves! Check out my vocal range!
>Look at all these vocal trills I can do!
>(more random vocal techniques that don't jive with the song at all)
This is the polar opposite of SOVL, absolutely soulless singing.

Pic related, a technical powerhouse that knows when and what to do.

>>78792523
>Good thing they're not hired to be shilling or reviewing anime.
Way to miss the point.
What kind of people you think watch vtubers? It sure as fucking hell it's not normalfags.
Being a good singer does fuck-all if there's no relatability for the average vtuber watching. Or what, do you think your normalfag coworkers are gonna go OMG ITS ELI FROM HOLOLIVE someday? Get real, nigga.

>>78790704
This
Most normalfag music enjoyers can't tell the difference between having a good singing voice and being good at singing.
She has the voice, but her singing prowess was sub par at best. In comparison Nerissa has consistently nailed almost every cover she made and I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even like her.
Mediocrity shouldn't be praised.

>>78792165
Might end up as a Holo X situation where ERB will be like Laplus who basically doesn’t exist until they need to sell merch or do some group event.

>>78792703
It was honestly painful how much of a tryhard she was being.
Honestly, it explains a lot of her Twitter behavior too. She acted the same on stream as she acted on Twitter.

>>78792770
As you said, most normalfags won't be able tell the difference. I sure can't. All I know is ERB has an amazing voice and she sounded good.

>>78792750
>What kind of people you think watch vtubers? It sure as fucking hell it's not normalfags.
Isn't... that kind of the point?
Pretty sure people who watch vtubers aren't the ones showing up to Dodgers Stadium, either. The whole plan is to catch and convert new viewers rather than just shuffling around the current vtuber audience.

>>78792750
>What kind of people you think watch vtubers? It sure as fucking hell it's not normalfags.
Way to miss the point on "diversify their roster". If you want to improve revenue, you either have to
>cut costs, which means reducing the number of talents or the number of events, and that's not part of the plan
>increase earnings per customer, which seems difficult
>increase number of customers
Given that most talents experience a steady slowing of growth, its clear that the policy of "fuck normies, turboweebs only" isn't an actual strategy. It only works if you can poach weebs from other talents, and that seems harder to do than ever after three established generations of EN talents.

>>78790704
Damm, someone that actually has ears, it seems like a rarity these days... To be honest even Biboo tier seems generous. Biboo at least tries to pronounce things correctly when singing, ERB goes belting when she doesn't even have the basics... it's so bad... and cringe.

>>78790704
>>78792770
as someone who doesn't like her, i swear to god every "le technical vocalist" who comes on this board finds all these insane obtuse ways to say a great singer isn't a great singer. ultimately the fact that she has the highest range, that can hit those notes the strongest for the longest time makes her the best singer in hololive. this is the ultimate cart before the horse bs. especially because you're comparing a premade cover to a live debut. just listen to nerissa's first time she sang plastic love in karaoke. she was actually offtune.

i don't like liz. but i cannot stand fake technical faggotry

>>78792770
I am listening to the Otonablue cover and i have to agree. She is certainly no Marine or Shizuka. Also she uses lots of...how do you call them...flourishes? when singing. Where you modulate your voice. Usually you do that when you can't reach a note but you need to do something for effect. It worked at first but then it gradually got worse. She could still do better, if Shiori and Korone could recover i don't see why can't she. Also it is a good ideea to say fuck you to unicorns because that market is already saturated, you can't really compete with FWMC and Shiori unfortunately started doing more and more roleplay stuff. I really wanted Shiori to be the one who actually did stuff like old movie reviews and i really liked her bug review and stuff. Unfortunately all her fanbase are thirsty retards who can't keep it in their pants and the RP is what was promoted

>>78792770
>>78793076
Seems kind of jumping the gun to judge a cover vs. live singing, especially live singing at a stressful moment. I respect the balls to belt it on your debut, but the emotions run high and its easy as fuck to get a little out of control like that.

>>78792977
>>78793061
>We want the wider audience
That will NEVER ever work out no matter what and Yagoo is a retard for thinking he'll succeed where countless others have failed and wasted millions on.

>>78783374
WHY THE FUCK ARE RUFFIANS LIKE THIS!!!!

>>78793185
saying nerissa is better is one thing, and not liking her style of vocals is another thing even. but saying she's a mediocre singer is just retarded, and they're grasping at straws

>>78792814
theres still the pink to worry about

>>78792814
I'm sorry to say this but when it comes to the music and dancing combo there's few holos who can match La+. I understand people seething because they really needed the pandering loli but Kiara and the rat are the only people who could probably keep up with La+

>>78788781
KEK I have to see this where is it?

grim

>>78783374
All of the delusional hugbox replies to this. I miss old /jp/ threads, before these new fags overran the hobby and took over all discussion of vtubers on this site. It was literally only one guy that sperged out about holostars back in the day and he got doxxed and shat on in the threads. Now you got a million retards just like that guy shitting up this board sperging out like a bunch of gossiping woman while retards that don't even watch the stars antagonize and homobeg to get a reaction out of unicorns.

>>78783374
Glorious. I knew Advent won't fail me.
I kneel

I sincerely hope we get at least one male in Holostars that doesn't acknowledge the girls at all, but I don't think that's possible for men. One can dream though.. .

>>78793180
it's canbe a good idea to put unicorns off by making it clear that you're interested in male collabs. It's not a good idea to say "fuck you" to them, as that's more generally off-putting.
Contrast:
>goal #3: collab with every branch of Hololive and Holostars
>goal #3: collab with __ALL__ of Holo

>>78793237
Too bad Cover Corp being a publicly traded company demands that they try. Shareholders want continual growth, and that means new revenue streams.

WHAT AUDIENCE
VTUBERS ONLY APPEAL TO SEMEN SLURPING WEEBS
MR CHAD JONES OVER HERE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT

>>78791094
EN HoloX

>>78779098
as someone who was into horse fandom i find red to be incredibly lukewarm.
orange garfield was okay but her debut dragged on too much.
fwmc and fauna will still be my go-to holos unless something dramatic happens tomorrow.

>>78792178
doing shit like that is how businesses rot from the inside
will the rot fall off and close so we can go on like we have or will the brand be unfamiliar in 5 years and not just in size alone

>>78784267
FAT FUCK

the best way to describe red woman's singing is "butchering the national anthem at a sports event by adding unnecessary garbage to show off" tier
if you've ever seen that before you know what i mean

>>78793393
ewwwww

>>78793308
>ruffaggots being hololive antis
What else is new?

>>78793116
i agree anon, the quality of her speaking voice alone is "better" than nerissa, i feel like most people are biased against her singing even though it's very very good because of her fucking horrendous jp pronunciation

They're not for me but hopefully they'll find their niche.

>>78793413
What if it's corporate mandated and some of them don't actually want to?

>>78793574
Then they should have stayed indies and not sucked the corpo cock.

>>78793395
Ah, yes, I too miss the times when we had a literal tranny shill Astel 24/7 in the single thread we were allotted.

>>78793413
i love ruze he is my ex poorfag homosuck enjoyer

>>78793519
Yup.
You can tell she was thinking she was flexing super hard.

>>78793552
stupid gaijin
"hololive" != "holostars"
This is very simple

>>78793325
La+ could’ve been a superstar like Pekora and was even being groomed by her to reach the top but she decided she’d rather chain herself to some washed up Apex pros instead so Pekora gave up on her and chose Koyori instead.
As far as on stage performances goes, love watching her perform it just makes the former sting a bit more for me

>>78793325
La+ is great when she's performing but she literally exiled herself to twitch.

>>78793519
>>78793691
i mean... you can be a great singer and butcher the national anthem by showing off. at any rate comparing daddy do to the fucking national anthem is so retarded it's unbelievable.

maybe you think she's a showoff, and would be better overall if she showed any restraint. but she's clearly the most talented EN singer because she excels at the most important aspects of singing.

>>78784002
Exactly. They know what happens if you go reaching out to homos, they've seen the disastrous results from their senpais.

>>78791509
I blame Twitter

>>78789792
read about FFXIV, but how do you know it's her?

>>78790886

>>78793116
Insane cope, but I suppose the numbers will bear themselves out over the next week with her Otonablue cover. Be sure to like and subscribe or whatever.

>>78784342
Cecilia still hasn't debuted yet, anon. Don't jinx it

>>78793393
>apex
>very first stream is with two homos
>unarchived/hololive songs ???
>ollie collab
>only 4-5 streams on debut week
Holy shit, I literally couldn't come up with a worse schedule if I tried. I'm not even mad, this is perfect

>>78793855
She could be the most talented person in the world on paper, but if she's not pulling it on practice also then it doesn't matter.
I'd rather a 7 always pulling consistent 7s rather than a 10 who can only pull a 10 once a while and all the other time keeps pulling 5s and below.

>>78793718
Who are they dropping, anon?

I'm just watching Gigi's debut. Does she do DIY stuff? Will we get a niche vtuber who does little things by hand?

>>78793961
i'm not going to listen to her because i don't like her, even before considering her homobegging. i just can't stand obtuse le technical metrics, when you can just hear her sing.

>>78793817
It would be good for ERB to join laplus there

>>78793855
Also the people who get hired to butcher the national anthem at sports games are good enough to get hired in the first place, so there's an argument that oversinging and using vibrato like you've got throat palsy is what the uneducated listener wants. Technical skill is good but the unwashed masses correlate power with quality.

>>78793519
Kek she would've been better off auditioning for the Voice or whatever normalfag shit that enjoys this sort of singing

>>78793574
I doubt they'd force a Holostar to collab with girls if there were to ever exist one that doesn't collab with them. It's not gonna happen though, men seem to be incapable of resisting talking to females.

>>78793676
I love Ruze but even he gets bombarded by beggars sometimes and acknowledges them. I remember a shit ton of them in superchats when there was some whore event going on a month or two ago. I'm glad him being one of the most superchatted in Holostars EN is proof that you don't need to slobber on the girls' feet to do well.

>>78792750
He is just as delusional as holomanagment.
"If we get enough EN we can get into that market" "let's do a show at a dodger's game"
Is there nobody from american working at hololive to tell them that it's not a good idea? All yesmen?

>>78779098
>bored out of their skulls
Were they watching a FWMC stream?

>>78793855
yeah, she might be the most talented EN singer, she just hasn't shown it yet

>>78792178
Hiring a normalfag for something like this has a very high chance of backfiring.
Look at the Loli God cover Gura made. Sooner or later Elizabeth is gonna talk about that stuff and is gonna say "it's weird" or that "she doesn't understand" the people who like loli stuff. Gatekeeping exists for a reason.

>>78792977
>we're going to draw in people who don't watch anime to our anime girls
There's literal fucktons of "vtubers" that are completely outside the anime bubble to the extent this site wouldn't consider them vtubers, literally everyone and their mom has a vtuber model these days. Fucking Hololive is not the place for people who don't like Japanese shit. Even though HoloEN has multiple members who don't like Japanese stuff, their audience still does.

>>78793855
nah man. Went to my nephews Graduation and the choir girls butchered that National athem too trying to hold high notes. I would unironically rather have heard the fat basterd next to me try and sing it cus it was awful even tho they "Hit" all the notes they were supposed too

>>78793413
I think you can blame Cover for that; neither Shinri nor Bettel showed any desire to interact with the girls, but management still organized the Bae collab

>>78794072
Yeah and when you hear her sing you want to turn that shit off. There's nothing to be positive about. Mumei, Irys, Gura, Nerissa, whatever. None of them are so repulsive in their performances even if you want to jerk off muh vocal power. I'd rather sit through an hour of Shiori karaoke again than listen to ERB for another 5 minutes. A purely subjective review for you with no technical comments at all, hope you like it.

>>78786554
When did Biboo interacted with Holostars?? You spoke it as if ONLY FuwaMoco don't interacted with da bois but the rest if Advent did.

>>78794392
Yes, she exists to gatekeep you pedophiles and holostarantis so we can enter the american market. This is a business strategy.

>>78780272
Yeah, I would also be worried about the future if this is the best the recruiters and scouts could pull from the infinitely deep rabbit hole of Holo-candidates.

>>78791509
this
for some reason skipping through their debut to the anime/games and dropping them if they list incredibly recent/basic shit is the best way of filtering trash vtubers for en at least

>>78787452
Proof?

>>78794429
Yeah, I do. I think it's a hundred times more honest. The world would be a better place if more people were like you and said their honest feelings rather than wrap them up in disingenuous but "principled" arguments.

>>78787607
We will give your oshi a week to prove herself, anon. Pray that it goes well.

>>78794503
Yeah I'm sure that's gonna work pretty well for them lmao.

>>78784267
NO NOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE NARRATIVE

>>78787787
They homobeg harder knowing that Advent is the CGDCT gen. They WANT to break the CGDCT and make the Advent girls similar to the homocollabing thots.

>>78794503
>I won't watch streams
>I won't buy merch
>I won't donate
>but I will pretend to care about them to own the chud incels on /vt/
You tell them sister! Slay!
Be sure to brag about it afterwards on twitter

Was busy so gonna watch vods later. What was the live ccv for Liz and GG?

>>78794503
Imagine Gura flashing her tail to everyone at Dodger Stadium

>>78794825
a ggillion and a lizillion each
>kmr2

>>78794796
god i fucking hate homobeggars. more than any of you retards here

>>78794244
You have no idea what you are talking about. If even a couple of people start watching the talents after that show then that is a new demographic for them. Also this might be a show for potential sponsors and not really for the fans. Stop talking as if you are the only important demographic that must be catered to. They want to grow, let them continue growing finding new revenues

>>78793393
Source?

>>78794429
I love shiori karaoke...

>>78794817
>i watch streams
>i spread propaganda
>i dismiss and sabotage other companies

>>78784267
wait, were FWMC and pero ever on screen at the same time?
something's suspicious

>>78794947
>you have no idea what you are talking about
>but yes, I am delusional and you are correct.

>>78794825
Both were higher than Futahomo's

>>78794503
Did you miss Gura and Bae? Kiara's superchat currency percentages?
Lolicons and Unicorns ARE the American market.

>>78794989
me, i am the one behind all the yabs of every company

>>78787603
Her brother is extremely autistic. Her father is a maybe but he's probably not as enthusiastic about her career choice as her mother. Aradia's husband is a swinger/cuck so why the fuck would you want him on stream. Malpha's husband is probably a practicing catholic.

None of that means that she is purposefully avoiding males specifically because she wants too, she's just reading the room. Bet your ass as soon as it seems the least bit kosher it's going to happen. Not an anti btw (Nerissa is the single best pure vocalist in Hololive), just how it is.

>>78784023
Advent is only cgdct because the dogs are massive idol fans and because Kiara probably had a hand in scouting for Nerissa. Justice probably has nothing going for it except that Cecilia was probably picked out by Fauna. The rest... Well...

>>78791115
meds

>>78795066
Haha, no but seriously. What were they?

>>78794426
Really fucked up thing was I thought Shinri was the one who would avoid the whores the most. I remember around debut months he was the one who emphasized raiding only Holostars after every stream and that scared beggars off for good. I'm not even a unicorn but I just hate how beggars are the worst type of "fans".

As a side note, you guys have got to stop falling for this retarded kind of trolling >78794503

>>78794825
About 6 kiloFinanas

>>78794503
Hololive's biggest asset to spearhead into the american market is literally a fucking unicorn pandering cunny you dumb ape man.

>>78780272
Rissa and Liz will collab together with the fags

>>78783374
>>78788118
They're listening to her speak and reading the new slide. Holo antis like you aren't the brightest bunch.

>>78793393
>First stream is a homocollab
Kek. She's put her foot down and made her stance known. All the other girls that don't give a shit about the homos will now see her as radioactive

>>78789120
Good. I'm gonna comment there later as well after my shift. Glory to Advent.

>>78793718
na-nani kore

>>78787654
FIRE FIRE LIGHT THE FIRE

>>78784950
There's a pretty big gap in viewerbase between the top 4 or so corpos and everyone else, so most dont care.

Small corpo wise, there is the big divide between Pippa fans, and fans of the rest of phase connect. They tend to be at odds alot and shit on eachother.

>>78795577
I didn't watch their reaction, did they really go silent at Elizabeth mentioning that? I'd kneel

>>78793393
You know what, good for her. Clearly both she and Holo both already know the consequences of completely sending it with male collabs. It's clearly a middle finger "cry about it lmao" from her and a "we're testing different markets" from Holo.
Nobody outside of /vt/ seems to give a shit so I guess it's working.

>>78795577
kek

>>78793393
I'm assuming this is a fake, it can't be this awful

https://youtu.be/1OFWd11RsGo?t=3764
>>78795637

>>78795048
every stream starts with video evidence of Fuwawa and Mococo both grabbing Pero and pulling him out of frame. Pero's also had solo streams where Fuwamoco were confirmed (source: Pero) to be out and unable to stream.

>>78795642
>Nobody outside of /vt/ seems to give a shit so I guess it's working.
And like always those people will never put their money where their mouth is. And that's why such strategies will never work out.

>>78795695
it doesn't even have timezones

>>78791729
Then why was Advent ESPECIALLY FuwaMoco got hired then??

>>78795577
KEK

>>78795717
Pero is a disgusting tif

>>78795715
>Nerissa nodding
I almost feel bad for jailbirds but I bet they expect that at this point

>>78795730
If I were a business kinda person I wouldn't be happy about the majority of my company's income coming from that kind of audience. Just unstable.
But then again, vtubing is simply not a normie thing. I highly doubt Holo can actually truly diversify its markets. Too niche of a hobby.

>>78791744
I thought the same thing anon, thank you for making me feel less crazy. Unicorns need to learn that not everything is the end of the world. They already have their men-avoiders. The company isn’t going to spontaneously combust.

>>78795577
Kek

>>78795906
>>78795906
B-But think about the potential profits, anon! We have to move to China and India! More people = Guaranteed more money!

>>78791509
>draws ten plus anime characters
>not anime enough
MEDS

>>78793313
She renounced nijisanji and reached out to Doki and Sayu in her PL. She's good in my book.

>>78786327
this is in fact exactly what euros deserve

powerlevel and homobegging aside. Lets assume that she is in the right there. She has a British accent. That much is already too far. Name 1 good British woman.

>>78793393
Jesus Christ very first stream is a collab with the Homos?! Yeap, she's screwed.

>>78795577
i don't understand, they didn't went silent

>>78796194
Honestly, her accent didn't felt british enough for me. Was pretty lame.

>6. learn JP
BWAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA
Add another to the list.

>>78795292
Higher than Futahomo's. Liz got about 121k, GiGi got about 120k. The astroturf twins got 119k.

I for one am glad that she made her stance clear on debut
Now there's no chance of me getting invested in her only to later get disappointed
I can just block her channel from the start and never have to think about her again

>>78795637
No, they didn't.

>>78796194
I don't know why my mind keeps thinking British girls are cute/hot when I have literally never seen a single attractive British slag in my entire life aside from the freak of nature that was prime Emma Watson (and that lasted for barely a few years before it was gone).
What the hell is going on over on that island? What are they eating and breathing to make their women age like milk left in the sun?

>>78793116
>lagging
>poor breath control
>pitchy
>can't enunciate
OOooo look at the trill though, her range is so good ooo lala. Fuck off.

>>78796328
I'll be honest, even if the homoshit hadn't happened, I still wouldn't have watched her based on the debut.

>>78796366
their reactions are pretty corporate mandated except Nerissa's.

>>78793308
>It's real
When did ruffians become so based?

>>78795642
Give it a month and she'll cry on stream like Ollie, asking why nobody is watching her homo collabs

>>78796320
Fuwamoco debuted a year ago. With inflation that's already 238k.

>>78796320

Ah I see thx, good numbers all around then. I expected those numbers since I did watch Advent and ReGloss debuts.

>>78796194
Rin Penrose.

>>78795833
https://youtu.be/flpoEt8zgu0

>>78793308
HOLY BASED

>>78796320
Advent debuts peaked with Biboo at 128k. Lets see if Ceci and Waowa can beat that tomorrow

Am I a bad person or a schizo for wanting the fags and holo to stay separate? Hololive should exclusively by CGDCT. (You) wouldn't want some random guy to show up in K-ON and join HTT. It'd be weird.

>>78796194
she sounds like she's forcing the accent

>ame backpedaled on homo collabs
>kronii backpedaled on homo collabs
>mori backpedaled on homo collabs
but hey, maybe red'll stick with it lmao

>>78790821
Bases grubba

>>78796677
>Open stream
>random splatoon scene
>lesbians. MY GOD! hoihoihoi Damn These, bitchez gay, Good for them
>Close stream

>>78796800
Yes, you are.

>>78796812
Some women just have to touch the stove to learn that it's hot.

>>78786858
She definitely had previous experience with streams as they all did, but yeah the keyfabe, NDA, obs software and new platform of YouTube would’ve been a nightmare

>>78796800
You're just retarded. Red bitch doing homocollabs isn't a problem as long as she stays in her lane and respects the cgdct holos.

>>78797080
What the fuck was she using before if not obs, or was okayu doing it for her?

>>78793393
>>78794001
holy griiiiiiiiiiiiim

>>78788746
They actually do.

>>78796800
Wanting holos to do holo things sounds pretty schizo to me

>>78796940
I liked Rin's mom. Now that's an actual hag.

>>78796812
Those three at the very least weren't extremely raging normalfags.
This one is a normalfag on a level never seen before in Holo.

>>78797215
Liz is a lost cause to me. I think Cover should have told her to fuck off when telling them she wanted to collab with fags. But if it's just really her doing collabs with the homos then I don't care, don't bring other people down with you. She can be the town bike for the fags

>>78786858
Korone's debut went just fine aside from the discord message popping up. Most of the scuff was intentional if you know anything about Korone. She made it scuffed because she thinks it's funnier that way, and she's right.

>>78795577
>>78795675
>>78795841
>>78795956
>unicornigge
>kek

Clearly a calculated move by Holo. Obviously they're not this incompetent to look past this. They want to test the waters with a more normie-friendly streamer.

>>78797629
your precious black company won't be around in a year

>>78792703
I love Polka but sometimes her singing sounds like she is straining something and it’s painful to the point she is my least favourite holo singer (that’s literally my opinion though and I’m being honest. Doesn’t mean I’m right or anything) But when she gets something that suits her it’s really good. Her latest covers are proof of that. Sakuranbo is very good.

>>78797510
Yeah, as long as she doesn't drag other Holos into it then I'm fine with it. She can promote Holostars or whatever, there's probably some kind of market for that.

>google search unicorn
>first result is r/okaybuddyhololive
Niggers

>>78797808
There are definitely unironic beggars, women, and cucks who are happy to it. If she just becomes the person who takes all the hits so people stop asking then I guess I respect her sacrifice.

>>78797922
>expecting jewgle to spit out something that is not in the top 10 normie websites

From what I've seen with homos and holos interacting it's so fucking boring and unoriginal. Why in the world would I want to watch a fag talk about how he's going to fuck the girl on screen for 3+ hours?

>>78798005
Self-insert like people did with Vesper

>>78797922
>google search unicorn
Why google is so shit nowadays. It just can't find any fucking thing

>>78787425
First of all
>majority of current userbase has not seen Myth debuts
lmao

Second, it's not actually that bad. People had warped expectations for Myth.
Just watch Ame reacting to it for her 6 month or 1 year aniversary