/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>7859138
NijiEN

>>7859138
Western roasties are boring as fuck, they literaly have no talent and hiding behind anime avatar.
I can't wait for more 3D roasties to transition to becoming vtubers only so that it breaks the illusion of vtubers being cute anime girls. They are coddled way too muxh and shielded from so much criticism for no reason other than that they look cute.

>>7859138
>irys beat kiara and ame
>almost beat mori too
Hahaha, this is a good karma.

>>7859138
I started watching Hololive through EN, I discovered the JP branch and I’m not going back. EN vtubers have no personality besides very simple character trait and lack the quick thinking that comes with being a nice comedian/entertainer. Why is it that Pekora can come up with something funny to what some guy said in chat on the spot and all Gura can do is to a fake laugh and not say anything?

>>7859138
>35 minutes ago
Hey faggot, the collab is over. You can now take a screenshot of the actual numbers of all the streams instead of posting outdated shit.

>>7859138
They don't fucking play any good collab games or do group collabs with JP. The last Among Us collab was NINE MONTHS AGO. Of course people lost interest in this shit. They squandered all of the hype by doing as little interesting content as possible.

>>7859296
She is a good streamer. No long stretches of silence, no getting angry at chat, occasionally trolls people for the lulz.

>>7859754
Imagine if she had a good model, she's be more popular than EN.

>>7860101
Let's hope management doesn't fuck up again and give her an update soon.

>Ina mogged everyone
Very interesting.

>>7859258
bitch are you more talented than any of the en vtubers

>>7860441
because it's a game about drawing people want to see someone that are good at it.

>>7860441
The calmest girl mugs all the other “high energy” screechers. This gen is over. Onto the next one.

>>7860468
> IF IT’S SO EASY JUST DO IT LOLL
That argument never gets old uh? People can critique and give their opinion on something without being an expert on it. It’s normal to expect entertainers backed by a corporation to be able to, you know, entertain people en masse. It’s clear that the EN gen has fallen like a piano in terms of numbers. Whether it is because of the novelty and hype dying or just because they’re not really good at streaming is up to you. The single fact that so many people are still willing to watch JP vtubers even though they don’t speak Japanese speaks volume in my opinion. The EN branch is just not as talented as you would expect coming from a company with the resources Cover has. Their 2 EN gen will probably be a lot more popular.

>>7859138
Too many breaks, what it's killing the hype over any streamers (not only Hololive) it's too many breaks, look at Pekora, the most successful vtuber in live views, she doesn't take a break, she makes long streams and sometimes she streams twice in a day.
Breaks always kill the hype

EN1 just kinda sucks as a group. None of them seem to actually like streaming besides maybe Ame, Kiara, and now you can add IRyS to this list.

>>7860657
This, on top of rarely doing collabs, still no 3d models, always playing the same shit games or copying games that JP has started playing hence never bringing any kind of novelty. Lacking confidence (Gura), leeching off chat for moral support (Kiara), terrible entertainers in general.

>>7859138
The reasoning behind the recline of 4 of 5 EN girls is pretty obvious
>Gura: meme shark. Memes tend to grow old and irrelevant.
>Kiara: chicken voice + ESL sense of humor, her appeal is hard to notice from the first sign
>Mori: simply unstable as a streamer, constantly changes timeslots.
>Amelia: same as Mori, complemented with probably the biggest imposter syndrome in Hololive.
Ina is the most safe and inoffensive among them, thus her numbers have stabilized.

>>7860860
>on top of rarely doing collabs
only Ina and Kiara can hold themselves in collab settings. Mori gives off the vibe, that she would literally want to be anywhere else on the globe instead of collabing. Ame and Gura can only do 1v1 collabs, otherwise they wont open their mouths.
>always playing the same shit games
JP does this aswell
>Lacking confidence (Gura), leeching off chat for moral support (Kiara)
hasnt stopped any of the JPs from being successful. Just try watame and you get a good combination of both these points.

>>7861095
>Mori gives off the vibe, that she would literally want to be anywhere else on the globe instead of collabing
Funny how she doesn't give off that vibe when she collabs with Gigguk

>>7859138
Time kill everything

>>7859138
>>>KEKnix
OH NONONONONONONO

>>7860645
Perhaps that is why? Because they're sometimes just regular people and listening to someone from across the world is less boring than listening to someone who could just be your classmate. Not only that but vtubers are more fit for japanese culture, while western people prefer live people streaming. Despite all that the first EN gen is obviously very successful due to their star-like talent. No, people cannot critique without being an expert binch, that is just retarded. That's why you have retard reviewers for everything and fucking twitch chat backseaters who think they know shit when they suck. fuck u

>>7859138
Speaking for myself, I just don't like to waste time on Gartic Phone collabs. I'd much rather just watch the clips afterwards. This goes for any vtuber, EN or JP.

>>7860441
>1/2 the vod views of Gura
>Mogged everyone
Ok Susan let me know when live view count is fixed so it's not a completely irrelevant number.

>>7861713
You’re a master fucking moron who will never be good at anything if you keep that mindset. Constructive criticism is still valuable even if it doesn’t come from an expert. If a streamer’s chat tells them that they should be improving x thing about their stream I hope to fucking god they listen instead of being a close-minded chimp such as yourself. It’s easy to tell from your arguments that you haven’t done a whole lot in life besides sperging on 4chan, have you? People who strive to improve make it to the top and those who are too shallow or too weak to take criticism stay at the bottom.

>>7861902
Chumbuds are easily distracted children who tune in for five minutes then close the stream. This isn’t new knowledge.

>>7861860
Yea the "chumbuds don't care about Collab" thing is becoming more true for all EN fans. People just don't like losing time with their oshi for a 1 hour session of people talking over each other.

>>7862119
Shut the fuck up numberfag nobody cares your oshi has less fans just fucking enjoy her without getting assmad at Gura.

>>7861960
szhut the fuck up dumbass. You're an idiot. Your criticism is useless. Just shut the fuck up.

>>7861960
If what you have to say is so helpful why dont you help yourself not be a fucking idiot huh fucking gottemmmm

>>7859138
do you retards actually believe the average hololive fan watches multiple streams simultaneously?
shit thread

Mori Calliope is the worst. Just the absolute worst. She’s just so painfully white it’s unbearable. She talks like a juggalo who’s still in high school trying way too hard to be “cool” using cringe ass phrases like “ya boi” and also just the way she speaks has such an overt fakeness to it, just a general all encompassing fake aura. Her songs are shit her streams are shit her persona is shit I cannot stand anything about her. If you like her you’re probably also unbearable to be around.

>>7862814
this except her songs are really good

>>7861960
>If a streamer’s chat tells them that they should be improving x thing about their stream I hope to fucking god they listen instead of being a close-minded chimp such as yourself
Are you actually retarded? Most people dont know what the fuck they are talking about. Just look at this board and you can find various reasons why streamer X is unpopular. All of these things are just speculations from people with zero expertise. You speak of a streamers chat like it is one entity, while in reality it is a bunch of people with different opinions, that often contradict each other.

A streamer has to take in every constructive criticism, yes, BUT needs to decide for themselves, which advice is actually good advice. And no, the perceived amount of people agreeing with advice, isnt the best indicator to evaluate the usefulness of advice because you always have to account for the silent majority, that isnt voicing their opinions at all.

I have read advice from anons on here for my oshi. If she would apply any of those points, I would outright stop watching her. If you listen to every criticism, especially the ones, that result in big changes to your streams, you might end up losing viewers instead of winning new ones over. There are also different viewertyps, that you have to consider, when taking advice from chat. Like would you for example value the opinion of someone, who doesnt even watch you frequently over the opinion of your most loyal supporters? Would you trade a loyal veteran supporter for 5 normie fags, whos attention will be short lived and probably drop you in a month anyways? Evaluating what is good criticism, what is schizo rambling and who is voicing the criticism is crucial for a streamer.

At the end of the day noone really knows, what makes things go viral or become popular. Also even if streamers would apply good advice, you might still wont see a massive change in viewership, since people need to actually give second chances or have a reason to check out that persons stream. Like how would people even find out that streamer X improved after they already dropped them? There are also so many things, that are outside of a streamers control like youtube algorithm, that determine a streamers popularity, but I dont want to touch that topic aswell.

>>7860657
Not Ayame

>>7860657
>Too many breaks
This is kinda false when you look at Ayame barely stream and Kiara or Watame who stream all the fucking time.

>>7862847
Absolute shit taste, I bet you still listen to Eminem. Neck yourself.

>>7862860
Oh hello Blizzard how's the lawsuit goin?

>>7861960
I agree, they should take constructive criticism like >>7862814. I'm sure it'll help them greatly.

Do everyone a favor and shut the fuck up

>>7862195
NTA but he ain't even mad at Gura or chumbuds. It's just facts.

>>7859138
I know numbers are important, it affects the moods too. But generally, I want more quality time with my oshi :) so no matter what the number displays, I want them to keep being happy with what they have cuz that way, it makes me feel obligated to keep support them.
No matter what.

inb4 kiara cries about hololive adding too many people, stealing her viewer pool

>>7863447
It really isn't though.
The only people who bitch about Gura or Chumbuds are number fags and "popular thing bad" fags. That is a real fact.

>>7860468
that bar isn't high considering that all it takes to be more talented than them (other than like Ina) is just being a functional member of society

>>7863509
She's right though. We really should only get en2 and maybe holostars en and they should stop adding people until more idols graduate.
This isn't Nijisanji.

>>7860468
Yes. It's not hard to be more talented than Ame who literally has no talents.

>>7863296
You thought that was me giving constructive criticism? Not at all, I fucking hate Mori and no amount of criticism will make her not shit, unless she entirely changed her brand and attitude, and stopped fucking rapping.

>>7863296
You need to learn what "constructive criticism" is my dude....

>>7863597
>just being a functional member of society
That's a boring entertainment venue. Too saturated unless you don't have any social circle.

if you go to 5ch you'll see japs posting the same about the JP Holos

>>7863722
>>7863673
Learn what the fuck sarcasm is, fucktards

>>7859138
People realized that HoloEN isn't entertaining and moved on, they either started to watch Vshoujo, NijiEN or simply lost interest in vtubers. Now the only ones watching HoloEN are cultists such as KFPhaggots, Cumsharts and Cuckbeats.

>>7859258
This unironically. I also came to realize that the rrat about Gura not caring about hololive was actually true. She genuinely doesn't put any effort into this shit. She has no ambitions and no plans which frankly just isn't that fun to watch. She's constantly moving streams for nebulous reasons. She seems perpetually scared and unsure of what she is and isn't allowed to say even. Most of the time she's just a boring conversationalist. I'm to the point of pretty much just showing up for her karaokes, but she even ruins that with her laziness because she doesn't practice, does some scuffed version of the song, says she'll practice and do it better next time, then never does. I'm just tired of her bullshit honestly. I'm ready to move on to someone who cares and doesn't treat our time together like a fucking holding pattern.

>>7864161
>I'm ready to move on to someone who cares and doesn't treat our time together like a fucking holding pattern.
you won't move on to anyone, you'll keep posting about the lazy shark instead of watching streams

>>7864161
>she even ruins that with her laziness because she doesn't practice, does some scuffed version of the song, says she'll practice and do it better next time, then never does
Actually fuck me I just realized you can apply that to her game streams as well. She never plays anything for a long enough time to get even moderately proficient at it. I want to watch my oshi grow and improve at something. Gura feels like she's the same as she was at debut and the same as she'll ever be. I'm always hopeful that she'll find some game that she's really into so we'll get to see her practice and improve and become proficient, but that's never gonna fucking happen. She's do her 1 stream of whatever game, be bad at it, drop it, wash rinse repeat forever.
>>7864317
Deep down you know I'm right

>>7864161
If Guras so lazy and doesn’t care then why did she put so much effort into her original song

>>7864533
Because she actually had to pay for it herself

>>7864504
>Actually fuck me I just realized you can apply that to her game streams as well
and that took you more than 6 months?

>>7864601
Denial is a hell of a drug anon. I kept hoping that she would find something that she liked enough to keep playing it.

>>7864161
>She seems perpetually scared and unsure of what she is and isn't allowed to say even
kek you sure didn't watch the streams
>does some scuffed version of the song
jesus gura's standard is extremely high, best singer!

Her streams hours are below average, she's bad at videogames, doesn't interact with her fans off-stream, barely puts any effort in general and even her antis are 6 month members
How does she do it?

>>7864533
All she had to do was sing though, she didn't even write the lyrics by herself

>>7864882
The term anti has list all meaning in this shit board

>7864882
Look at this kek
Chumkeks are so immature that they treat anyone criticizing their oshi as a anti, even when they have 6 months membership lmao

>>7859258
This. Watching HoloEN made me realized how boring all western females are. No matter how talented they are, all they can amount to is garbage at the end of the day. That's why english vtubers are a failed experiment, there are no interesting english females out there.

That's why the JP vtubers are far superior.

>>7864988
Fuck off Japanophile. Waa waa only Japan can produce good content, fucking defeatist loser

>>7864988
This, so much this. Asian women are superior to Western whores

>>7864968
It's actually 10 month. I was either day 1 or day 2 I think. Proves your point though I'm not an anti I'm just expressing some genuine frustrations I have with Gura and explaining why I no longer treat her streams as something I need to clear my schedule for.

>>7864161
This is why I watch indies or small vtubers from all those new startups. They feature talented hardworking girls that actually try to become better over time.

>>7865173
>They feature talented hardworking girls that actually try to become better over time.
Till they eventually graduate and redebut as corporate vtuber. Many such cases.

>>7859138
You guys told me once I understood the JPs they would be boring and cringe, but they are actually better than EN once you understand them

>>7859138
>peak of 50,480 live viewers
>What killed the hype?
I was going to insult you for making a lazy bait thread but you actually made quite a few retards bite. Well done OP.

>>7865168
Bro.. we were brainwashed I used to wake up 3-4 am just to watch her streams.

>>7865695
Who the fuck is "you guus" in this scenario? Are you believing shit from strangers on this board, anon?

>>7863871
IM JUST PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED

>>7859258
This, EN is fucking boring and the declining numbers prove it. Majority of shitposting in this coming from bored people who quit watching EN.

>>7864161
EN is stagnant. They haven't significantly improved as characters or entertainers despite us glorious chancels screaming criticism at them 24/7. The status quo reigns supreme. In fact, I'd say things are worse now.

>gura doesn't do her reps or commit to anything, still hasn't found her bread, and wasn't the cool retro city pop shark we all hoped she'd be
>Ame is a burnt out shadow of her former self
>deep fried still hasn't dropped the shit voice
>Ina is the same as always and hasn't changed one bit; she's already peaked and is too busy with her day job to fully commit to being as engaged as tamaki and ui
>Mori has chilled out a bit and isn't as enjoyable to watch as she used to be back when her streams were more of a trainwreck
>Irys is the most boring streamer you'll ever watch and stands tall as the symbol of cover's nepotism

If EN2 isn't absolutely Herculean, Hololive EN is over.

Novelty wore off.

I remember that game

>>7865144
The only reason you think this is because of anime. I had an Asian gf and we broke up after only a month because she only cared about what I could buy for her. Meanwhile my wife of 3 years is Canadian.

>>7867540
Irys nepotism? Can you explain? Was she someone recommended by existing talent?

>>7870253
Yes

>>7870284
Who recommended her and did she have a channel before joining? Also what was the point of holding auditions if they just let an existing talent recommend the winner

it's better this way. lower numbers = lower crybabies. exactly the reason small indies are nice too (aside from the fact that they have lesser, if not, none at all, filters

The fact is nobody watched female streamers before they started talking in fake high pitched baby voices and rping as anime girls online, unless they were those twitch whores who would bend over to pick up their "dropped" controller every few minutes.

>>7870383
Who cares

>>7864161
this. also, it even feels like her singing (in karaoke streams) is "downgrading". either she prepped a lot during the first few karaoke streams or i'm just getting used to her singing. either way, it would have been better if she did it more often. sad that her singing is being put into her shadow rn

>>7870383
Her old channel has one video with 100million views. Thats impressive. Funny thing, 80% of viewers never realised that it is her singing in that video.

>>7870601
What’s the vid

>>7870383
Being well-connnected is a talent
Sucks that the others who auditioned were less talented

>>7859258
>>7860645
>>7864988

>>7870652
https://youtu.be/BWpIiNWdZj8

>>7870652
search Renai Circulation

>>7870794
wow she has more views than gura

I feel like people in this thread just have 2D yellow fever.

>>7859138
I only watch Gura when she solo streams

>>7870870
The people on this BOARD are incel neet losers, thats for sure.

>>7870954
You should try to get out of that rut man.

>>7870794
I am amazed how stupid weebs can be. 100 million not realising that it is a cover

>>7871044
some of them do know it's a cover but nobody can read Japanese so they don't know
plus most don't care

>>7865954
This thread is so bizarre, it’s full of people taking about a group they don’t watch using cherrypicked information. HoloEN group collabs never get this amount of people, it’s usually in the 35-40k range.

>>7871232
>This thread is so bizarre
that's how every single thread on this board goes

>>7864504
Cancel your membership that’ll show her. Oh wait doesn’t she have a minimum of 14k members kek

>>7870954
>so mad he doesn't realize the logic used here actually insults himself
/vt/ is truly a magical place

Good I hate those faggots who spend all their time circlejerking EN garbage in this board, so fucking creepy snd pathetic man, they should make something of their life with those hours instead.

>>7871441
it's closer to 20k as the minimum iirc

>>7859324
Now imagine an 9.0 IELTS Pekora

If anything, its impressive that Amelia got higher numbers than anyone.
She scheduled the stream 10 minutes before it started, and didn't tweet.

>>7859138
oh look, another anti post who tries to fool you with not showing their full numbers

>>7870140
Canada is cringe, but Canadians are based. Glad you're in a decent marriage anon

>>7864882
rorikunny UUUUOOOOOHHHHH

>>7859258
>I can't wait for more 3D roasties to transition to becoming vtubers only so that it breaks the illusion of vtubers being cute anime girls
That's already happened.
Usually not with great success from what I saw.

>>7870140
i am literally ESL, i KNOW what i'm talking about, anon. White women are the most bland yet abysmal thing ever. Why do you browse a potentially GFE board while already having a partner? What does she think about all this?

>>7865695
same, 6 months of reps and Pekora's zatsudan had become more interesting then most gameplays

>>7870975
fucking trying, all this covid isn't of any help bro

>>7867540
>>Ina is the same as always and hasn't changed one bit;
Tell me how I know you don't watch stream

If anyone is to blame it’s the managers. I remember a few times that Jenma or whoever told Ame to play this game instead of the regular scheduled stream

>>7871044
That's what you get when Shaft is too good at taking down the real version.

>>7859138
assuming a couple thousand people are watching multiple streams 38k is bretty good, whats the highest collab viewcount?

>>7879033
>38k is bretty good
Is it? In the last JP Gartic Phone collab just Marine alone had that many viewers.

>>7860101
She had to be buffed

>>7860101
Imagine if she was boring.

>>7860101
Imagine if she wasn’t boring.

>>7859138
Ina wins lol

>>7859138
first off out dated numbers but second how is 50,480 people watching bad

>>7885823
Subaru has a special guest.
Gura is just doing a regular stream

>>7859138
Most of us learned nihongo by now and moved to greener pastures.

>>7859754
She swears at in-game NPCs before murdering them, if they piss her off.

>>7886181
She's so funny

>>7885750
when you realize its all people with 6 windows open

>>7859138
IRyS inclining?

>>7885823
That's unfair, Subaru's zatsudan is one of the best content in the entire Hololive

>>7859138
>What killed the hype?

Nothing. Stop falseflagging

>>7870140
>canadian
so chinese then

>>7885925
non-subatomo EOPs dont know about the special guest

>>7885925
are you implying that most of her 3m subs are dead?

>>7864504
>I'm always hopeful that she'll find some game that she's really into so we'll get to see her practice and improve and become proficient
Well yeah, just look at Luna, not everybody likes piano and that's understandable, but for those Lunaitos who do, they have seen her Oshi do her reps for an entire year and now her Electone streams are an spectacle, and they can feel proud about her, and then you have Gura and the rest of Holo EN, that it doesn't matter what bullshit they do, they will have a Legion of faggots simping and telling them that everything is ok and good, HoloEN doesn't feel the need to change, they all live in complacentlye, that's why Niji EN is shining right now even if they don't have the numbers on their side.

>>7859138
The hype died of natural causes.

>>7867540
>gura [...] still hasn't found her bread
I'm STILL wondering what happened to that bread
Wtf did she get blackout drunk and eat a whole loaf?
Sometimes this stuff feels like one of those manga where the author starts is out 10/10 and doesn't know how to finish it. I need closure

>>7874206
omg...

>>7870383
the sonic boomer

>>7859138
Nothing. Those are still pretty great numbers