/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holosongs.com/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://www.nijiuta.com/

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

These pre debut days are always so impressively shit.

>>78622223
>Any kind of collaboration that has m*les, singers, bands, mixed events. Pretty much anything. Just think anything Mori has done but without the unicorn drama
You are not making any sense. I'll make it easier. What would this hypothetical person be able to do that Marine is not able to do, and that would net her success beyond Marine?

>>78622212
Both Kiara and Mori have explicitly said not to be put off by their debut times
They're EU talents
Everyone understands this
Don't be retarded

Asking for EU-friendly Holos is not the same as asking for EU Holos.

>>78622323
Advent was pretty good.
Skill issues on Justice end.

A win for Gura is a win for hololive.

>>78622202
If she hadn’t “sperged” out from the start anons would have accused her of rug pulling. She’s doing the right thing for a homocollaber, Cover just shouldn’t have hired one. There was plenty of room for more CGDCT.

So bets on how many of them will be streaming at EU hours in three months? I bet on one of them still doing a weekly EU hours stream by then

>>78622268
Mumass

>>78622130
taken from a resident global autist

in 2023 she took part in 23 music events:
>ROAD GAME "Technopoor" ~Murakumo no Tsurugi~ (w/Zutomayo)
>Dream Match Apex Legends Anniversary Music Live
>Mori Calliope 3D Showcase (w/Boogey Voxx)
>HoloMyth 3D Showcase Live
>holo*27
>hololive 4th fes. Our Bright Parade
>Aki Rosenthal's Birthday 3D Live
>1st Hololive English concert - Connect The World
>Special Live for Shinjuku Yunika Vision - One Piece Volume 106 Release Commemoration
>BuzzRythm Live V '23
>Miko's 5th Anniversary Live
>Shion's 5th Anniversary Live
>hololive Summer 2023 3DLIVE Splash Party! Night
>NTV "MUSIC VERSE" 8/31 TV interview
>NHK Venue101
>Kobo Kanaeru 3D Showcase
>Yozora Mel's Birthday 3D Live
>Hoshimachi Suisei's Anime NYC Live
>Rikka's 4th Anniversary 3D Live
>Chloe's 2nd Anniversary 3D Live
>Aruran's 4th Anniversary 3D Live
>Choco's 5th Anniversary 3D Live
>Takanashi Kiara's Birthday Live

>>78622173
>>78622280
QRD? Is he right?

can we make a filter list for this thread? its honestly needed at this point

>>78622371
The same shit happened there as well, don't kid yourself shitposter.

gonna fucking laugh so hard if she end up not homo collabing

>>78622323
Wdym, having a blast at /grün while having fun at my usual threads.

>>78622223
>>78622343
Better yet, I'll throw a different question in the mix
>what would this person have that would allow her to perform better while doing the same thing Niji girls are capable of doing from day one?
My theory is that there is no real benefit and if there was, Niji girls would be able to tap in that same benefit for great success

>>78622355
>Both Kiara and Mori have explicitly said not to be put off by their debut times
Well yeah, half of them will stream three hours earlier and the other two will stream at JP hours

>>78622398
Quit crossposting your own post suischizo

You won’t abandon the Golden 15 after Justice debuts… right?

>>78621670
She’s interacting with the dino faggot. Of all the homos to interact with, she chooses the one everyone think is a creep. Not even Mori or Bae wants anything to do with him. And can only get Ollie from ID to really commit to collabs. When you’re in the same league as Ollie, you’re doomed. She’ll either learn before it’s too late or she’ll plow right into the worst fucking possible scenario she can have for herself.

>>78620629
My condolences to all the brrats for everything they are about to endure for the next year

>>78622416
no because the last time someone did that the usual suspects took note of it

>>78622417
All I remember was the Twin hopium, Rock's cinderella's story and one hell of a grudge post from ruffian.
Oh and total homonigger death.

>>78622233
She has miori as one of her bffs so she definitely knows how to tip toe the line

Fauna retweet we're back day is saved

>>78622507
I love them both so much

>>78622444
She probably will, the question will be if she plays along with the beggars or Ollie's harebrained schemes

>>78622491
hey he has the most subs, must be doing something right

>>78622416
I will start
1) Fauna

>>78622504
the current suspects are fucking retarded and tourists. it will work on them

FAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNA

>>78622355
Yeah the "massive" hololive european audience that specifically watch those two will know, no one else will know or care. That is why you debut during the hours you will stream and that is why you buy ads when entering a new market. You need to tell everyone that you are here and make a fucking splash

>>78622495
they are the worst trash of the whole holo fandom

Cecelia template!
https://x.com/UHEN_MP/status/1803808912531218709

>>78622393
>in 2023 she took part in 23 music events:
I'll take exception with your list because anon said "concert" in that exact word.
I don't think 3D Lives is what anon meant with "concerts all the time" but I could be wrong specially the part where the whole implication is that alter-Mori would be hosting "concerts", not guesting.

>>78622416
They'll eventually get bored. Nothing new has been said for the past 24 hours at this point. It's just braindead bot-like posts and replies.

>>78622466
I would never abandon IRyS unless she male collabed with the homos

GREEN WOMAN RT

>>78622416
i'm not giving you my filter list. but it's filled with keks cucks and shitter variations

>>78622444
That would be even more retarded. If you're gonna get chummy with the homos don't go half way, otherwise you filter everyone

>Gura 3D live
45-55k
>Justice debuts
60-70k
>Advent 3D debuts
40-50k
>Breaking Dimensions free part
22-28k

>>78622574
she promised to stream today

>>78622593
Build-a-oshi!

Nice

>>78622361
You cant be EU friendly while living in Japan, you are not going to start your streams three at night for any long period of time, it will kill your soul and energy, you wont be able to be productive and entertaining. Which makes it weird that 2/4 lives in Japan (one hard confirmed, the other is highly suspect)

That's a lot of retweets.

>>78622268
nice moom butt

>>78622202
>Yellow's doing cool art but she's built as an FPS gamer
What? Isn't she the v4mirai girl? She didn't play a single FPS in her short run as the horse girl so what the fuck are you talking about?

>>78622672
She's in a good mood

>>78622355
im not bumping up the ccv for cover to boast to their shareholder about
if they want me to watch put it in the correct timeslot

I'm not a unicorn but fuck these homobeggar fans makes me hate the homos especially that noufagi leeching dino pagpag.

>>78622371
Wtf are you talking about. No it wasn't. It was all Shiori and Nerissa RM spam. Twins were left largely alone. And Biboo was a 1 view nobody so ditto

>>78622593
>>78622651
I'll be honest this had been reawakening fetishes I thought I had sealed for good

>>78622361
Do you trust Cover to make the distinction?

>>78622606
I mean, if you just like seeing your oshi perform then guesting and hosting are both content you want to see

>>78622566
>the most subs
For the record, "the most subs" in this context mean 5k more subs than Uyu

>>78622664
Some of them will probably do JP hours and lead into EU that then leads into US

Cecilia is the only Justice member Rosemi is following

I always get really happy when I see retweets happening

>>78622566
Bae also had the most subs before Council debut lol

I can't tell if Elizabeth is EN Ollie or just a normal homo collaber that wants to "own the haters" by spamming replies to homos.

>>78622343
Ok, let me re do my point, she is bypassing the civil war that usually happens with holo chubbas when they collab or are invited to be with males participants. why? because she sees values on them (maybe, I am not her). Does she has to do this to get successful? No, as you say Marine did it without issue. BUT she might not be Marine.
Also I am just throwing ideas as to why she is doing what she is doing, she could just be a homosister and would make the Skwad 2.

>>78622664
anon you sure dont watch any holos if you think none of them stays up all night to go to sleep at the fucking morning

>Sees sheep
>Watame!
https://youtu.be/HEjr8lD01F0?t=2520
Why are they like this

>>78622672
she's happy of seeing a friendly face and a bong

>>78622717
If there is any condolences, they are rapidly dismantling any sense of goodwill and leniency left towards them with their spergouts and it will only get worse.

Its official, she loves the other green woman

>>78622761
Describe the distinction please

what if cover thought that EU not watching was a cultural issue and not a timezone issue

>>78622659
That's roughly her limit for public fanservice.

>>78622738
That part is patently obvious but the whole conversation came from
>if four Moris were debuted the benefit would be concerts all the time
and nothing of anon replied after that seems to corroborate that benefit unless it gets watered down with "other girls concerts she takes part for a couple of minutes"

Fauna my beloved, my queen

This general should be renamed to /assholes/. Miserable bunch the lot of you

>>78622761
Is there a difference?

>>78622642
>>Advent 3D debuts
>40-50k

>>78622761
She’s interacting with the worst homos. The ones who shouldn’t even be given an inch. If it were Bettel or Astel, it would be bad. But she went straight for the flips. That’s gonna end badly if she interacts with them on stream. Those two are bad news and will cause a yab for the company if she’s involved.

>>78622885
Leave then.

>>78622800
>sees cecilia
sexdoll!

>>78622448
There's another reason that argument is retarded, and it's because most people separate professional collabs from random collabs with homos.

>>78622761
Anon, "normal homo collaber" is the likes of Bae, FBK, etc. The "own the haters" schtick is squarely in Ollie's territory, especially these days with Mori wisening up and corrected Kronii

>>78622917
>replying to it
grim

>>78622885
I know right? Why won’t they just support da boiz?

>>78622796
there is a difference between staying up all night and actually stream and entertain in the middle of the night. Sure they can be a chill minecraft streamer through the night if that all they want to do but for everything else they will slowly lose motivation and energy by staying up all night every day of the week

>>78622885
You brought it on yourself, Elizabeth

>>78622642
This is a straight up shit post

>>78622885

>>78622827
Kek. Good fanart

>>78622917
They were debut buffed back then.

>>78622781
>Also I am just throwing ideas as to why she is doing what she is doing, she could just be a homosister and would make the Skwad 2.
I'm more inclined to believe this, that she's just Ollie 2.0
>t, she is bypassing the civil war that usually happens with holo chubbas when they collab or are invited to be with males participants.
That part I am still not following. The only "consequence" of accepting such invitation is shedding a significant part of the audience not inclined to watch this type of content.
There is no upside in shedding that audience from the getgo and my point is that doing that will lose her that audience and gain her .... zero additional audience over what she would get just not doing it.

>>78622885
DONT DO IT I REPEAT DO NOT DO IT OR TOWA WILL COME TO FUCK US ALL

>>78622885
don't fuck up your debut Raora, Red bitch already has no future.

>>78622922
they're gonna play Apex together and it'll be a blast

>>78622885
woman hands typed this

>>78622885
That's the fun part you pansy. Boohoo

>>78623033
Those two faggots would have to be entertaining for it to be a “blast”.

>>78623010
I think he meant they cant pull a kronii if they already start a homobeggar

This is straight up the first time I'm not gonna watch the debut streams for a Holo gen since 2019. My enthusiasm is just gone. I'll check back in a week and see if any are worth subbing to.

>>78623087
i'm sure some pregnancy jokes will do the trick

>>78623087
He meant to say unhinged and chaotic

I don't hate the stars but really that dinofaggot should fire on the spot.

>>78623020
RENAME IT NOW

>>78622885
Raiders eventually leave.

>>78623010
You avoid the infighting and drama between your initial fans

>>78622850
I see it as splitting hairs over the hypothetical of 'four Moris = lots of stream content and lots of performance content'
even if you take stuff like guesting/featuring away, you have her headlining the APEX thing, you have full performances in BuzzRhythm, MUSIC VERSE or DreamHack, which is on the upper end not only for EN but for company at large, so multiplied by 4 it'd be significant (in assumption of equal opportunity, ofc)

>>78622885
This thread is a small slice of what this site is really like, if you don’t like it your free to leave

>>78623149
/bussy/?

>>78622935
Mywife*

>>78623033
Then not even the JPNikki would save her

>>78623132
Only PST exists for Cover lmao, like if it was 2 in the night eurotime (which would be -3 hours to the debut time) it would be painful but watchable from europe and it would be nice and watcheable for all americans

>>78623132
You have been saying a variation of this all day

Put the frame up Fauna, I need to send a snail and nap

>>78623144
Do you want fire him or set him on fire. Your post didn't make sense

>>78623144
Eh he seem pretty fit for the job to me. Shining example of a male vtuber even.

>>78623132
so believable, #cut4hex sister

>>78623132
Luckily, you have another set of cute CGDCT debuts to watch on the same day.

>>78621150
uhhh
this can't be just /our/ impact right?
or is it just that red's vote got split between ships?

>>78623192
/TTT/
Towa's Tasty Toys

>>78623283
CHU!

>>78623144
He’s Luca tier. He just hasn’t been given an opportunity to do the bullshit he has, but he will if the red girl gives him that chance.

>>78622885
Nah i'd win

>>78622233
She basically does what Kronii said she’d do which is not host the stream, not advertise it and not talk about the stream on her channel. I guess she has enough sense that most of her fans don’t want that content despite her have the rep of being homo friendly. JP is a different story.

>>78623283
surprise birthday sex

>>78623010
did you consider people might just not want a certain part of audience or is it really just number autism driving your every decision

>>78622296
got the full album?

>>78623132
Too bad you won't kill yourself when it's shown you mean nothing.

>>78623280
Ask urself why would yurifags vote for homowhore?

>>78623244
Is both an option?

>>78623280

>>78622593

>>78623324
How do you know this?

Debut buffed 6 months after?

>>78623321
I chuckled.

>>78623321
Kneeling to my new führer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zg0VybNJRA
Fauner

>>78623283
chu

>>78623280
Everybody loves flat chests.

>>78623363
people love dolls

>>78623337
I love Fauna btw

>>78623170
>You avoid the infighting and drama between your initial fans
>>78623117
>I think he meant they cant pull a kronii if they already start a homobeggar
I understood that. My point is that anon characterized that as (a seen on >>78621670)
>getting rid of parasocial fucks for the sake of opportunities in the future
and
1) there is no opportunity she would be barred from taking in the future
2) by filtering her audience from the getgo would just hurt her early instead of late
>>78623184
>lots of stream content and lots of performance content
I would not even have replied if that was what was said because I would be in full agreement.

>>78622761
The simple line is: does she try to drag/force other girls into it or does she keep that separate and respect their boundaries. All there is to it
If she could rein in the beggars to that would be great, but that seems an impossible task

>>78623338
Sister...being angry isn't good for your skin!

>>78622417
FUCK no dude.
We had kino upon kino happening during Advent's pre-debut.
Hell the reason Shiori's vaguepost became a "yab" is BECAUSE it was going so well that holoantis were just SEETHING trying to find something ANYTHING against the golden gen.

>>78622830
>"Yagoo-san, when they said they want EU-holos I don't think they meant holos from EU, I think they meant holos who stream in EU times..."
>"Stream?"

>>78623321
SEXCILLIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>78623280
flat is JUSTICE

>>78623280
Cecilia is just dominating all polls.
Yeah, that sadly includes one that paired her with Mint

>>78623320
Expect him to be in her chat as much as possible

>>78623419
Mumei can you stream today please?

>>78622953

>>78623394
>copying Pekora

>>78623394
>copying pekora now
baka my head

>>78623280
>shipping straight girls
DISGUSTING

>>78623419

>>78623321
cute

>>78622593
Why does this turn me on so much, chat?

>>78623431
You were particularly offended by that one, huh? Kill yourself. You mean nothing.

>>78623132
ogey

>>78623335
See >>78623424, had anon said
>getting rid of parasocial fucks for the sake of not having parasocial fucks in her audience
I would have agreed. That was not what motivated the initial reply

>>78623280
sunset draws mostly flat girls, mostly a-chan, and ina

>>78623394
Thread ruined

>>78623320
That's the impression I got yea. Both flips too. Lmao

>>78623394
She is never playing Dark souls again, isn't she?

>>78623469
That's why gay ones are winning

>>78623475

>>78623394

>>78623493
One day someone will marry you! Don't worry! You won't be alone posting on 4chan forever!

>>78623280
cecilia is basically first holo marionette, we already have other cats and nothebes

>>78623394
FAUNA I LOVELOVELOVE YOU

>>78623363
Tbf she has the most interesting design. Automotan doll. Pretty neat

>>78623423
It's actually excessively simple to take a stance against begging while being a homofan like her if it works is a whole other challenge considering that Mori tried to do it.

>>78623394
faunaaaaaaaa

>>78623132
So true sister
PS: neck yourself

>>78623321
Unstoppable! Tee-hee!

>>78623394
AH, my sweet sweet honey ambrosia.

Kanatan cute!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AszwAEkIZs

For those who missed earlier today and with the new gen about to debut, no better time to give an update on that
>NINETY (90) DAYS TRUE AVERAGE
chart
(First time doing it for the full promise lineup, no more &IRyS)

Here are some comments on it
1) For all of 2024 so far, Mumei and Fauna are alternating as the #1 of the unit, with Mumei getting a massive boost from the new outfit taking her to her highest point post CCVID with Fauna, likewise, reaching her highest point around the same period.
2) IRyS, with a little offset from the two above, reached her highest point mid April, with her million subs, birthday and a series of well received streams taking her to that high point
3) Kronii, unlike the three above, didn't benefit significantly from the renewed interest in the branch after Advent debuts and is treading water near the 6k line for the best part of the last 12 months
4) Bae, despite being at the bottom of the range, recovered significantly after the debuts of Advent and returned the vicinity of the 6k line, catching up to Kronii

>>78623469
If I may, the very nature of yuri is to be between straight girls. Otherwise it would be lesbian/rezu

>>78623534

>>78623394
We are so fucking back

>>78623578
Says the faggot blogposting his hurt feelings. Nobody wants you to watch them. Fuck off forever.

>>78622593
>see right's doll nugget
>diamond
Ah ah ah ah

>>78623578
kekd

>>78623394
fauna into goob, perfect afternoon kino

>>78623635

>>78623538
She said she almost played it on monday. The day Elden ring dlc drops isn't exactly the best time to start an dark souls playthrough

>>78623635
Speaking of Kanatan, I can't stop listening to this cover of hers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgcwdmMIdL0
This MV is just too perfect and her rendition of it, superb

>>78623394
Fauna->Gura->IRyS-> Mori RDR2 final
What a great day

>>78623538
She only has 3 fucking hours today, she'll probably end even earlier than that to read SCs aand then funnel into Gura

>>78623578
Women have it so easy bros…

>>78622593
does this count as /meat/

>>78623647
I think you posted the wrong graph, anon.

If Red starts homo collabs I hope it doesn’t temp mori to relapse and join her.

Fuck you soulsfags! It's your fault! You corrupted mommy!

>>78623658
no, it is lesbian x straight

>>78623609
I feel like she can be redeemed tho?

>>78623731
rdr2 is like 5 days from now

>>78623647
if you wanna do superchat charts youre gonna have to at least make indications on it of when each of them also released merch. this is kinda useless

Why would anyone intentionally gimp themselves by interacting with the homos? At least something like Kobo going after male ID ecelebs makes some sense.

>>78623132
??
You watched Regloss with the mandatory cocksucking, you watched holoID, but won't watch a gen with 1 (one) homo slut?

>>78623394
Thread is saved. Thank god

>>78623647
Holy based, thank you for posting these harder graphs to make

>>78623777
Sorry, she was going to get better tastes in games over time either way

>>78623779
she's not seeking it nor seeing it as necessary in any way

>>78623789
ask zeta

>>78623433
End of 2023 to Summer 2024 was a little golden age in the middle of unrelenting GRIM

>>78623394
>raid into gura
4k ccv after she superchats for 2 hours, wooo

>saplings and graph anon in the same thread
Good thread

>>78623754
Pretty sure the rest of the homos are too much for even Mori.

>>78623786
Why
>t-they'll SC less because of merch
Is fucking cope.

>>78623609
Mori should sit down with her and have a talk, honestly

>>78623754
You should listen to Jigoku 6 if you actually care.

Did I miss the branch averages?

>>78623394

>>78623777
checked

>>78623609
That's what I mean Mori's done this several times but they don't listen and still try to use her to justify the begging

>>78623728
Fantastic MV too. I listen to Betsu Sekai almost once a day, it's so good

>*AHEM*
For those who missed earlier today and with the new gen about to debut, no better time to give an update on that
>NINETY (90) DAYS TRUE AVERAGE
chart
(First time doing it for the full promise lineup, no more &IRyS)

Here are some comments on it
1) For all of 2024 so far, Mumei and Fauna are alternating as the #1 of the unit, with Mumei getting a massive boost from the new outfit taking her to her highest point post CCVID with Fauna, likewise, reaching her highest point around the same period.
2) IRyS, with a little offset from the two above, reached her highest point mid April, with her million subs, birthday and a series of well received streams taking her to that high point
3) Kronii, unlike the three above, didn't benefit significantly from the renewed interest in the branch after Advent debuts and is treading water near the 6k line for the best part of the last 12 months
4) Bae, despite being at the bottom of the range, recovered significantly after the debuts of Advent and returned the vicinity of the 6k line, catching up to Kronii

>>78623920
Is she starting a story arc

>>78623647
Wrong graph, but holy fuck Kronii.
Were those homocollabs worth it?

>>78623920
based ultimate contrarian Fauna-sama

>>78623860
Zeta is just very stupid

>>78623609
After the silly period in 2022, she has mellowed out and been far more professional, and given cover for the other girls

>>78623635
Her fallen angel outfit is too good.

>>78623647
I assume this is some faggot trying to impersonate you, chartanon >>78623876
not the first time

>>78623394
This is why I love Fauna. She's slowing creating a narrative with souls games.

>>78623920
Dark souls bros.... we lost....

The real question is how her genmates will handle this ordeal. Unless she's an absolute cunt behind the scenes they're unlikely to ditch her, and even then it's too early for such cuntiness to show through. I also doubt someone could be that much of a cunt. So what then? No matter how naive they all 100% are aware that she's estranged at best from a large proportion of the audience. Simultaneously, they're unlikely to be cunts as well so they'll probably have goodwill towards their genmate. I feel like the best way to thread the needle for them is to keep mentions low, no need to poke the hornets' nest, but to be friendly in gen collabs and the like. Would probably branch out to the senpai for regular collab partners though. Path of least resistance/conflict avoidance. We know that shilling to a disinterested audience only serves to breed schizos. While the beggar variety would say that that's letting the schizos win, I don't think there's a single benefit to creating more schizos, rather I think it's crueler to breed dedicated antis while "supporting" their genmate than to go the path of conflict avoidance

>>78623394
good not this 2D debuff again, this game is fun

>>78623781
Ah shit. Still. Fantastic assortment of streams today

>>78623920
Fauna is the Dark Souls of my heart.

>>78623394

>>78623938
>Mumei and Fauna are alternating as the #1
They so are

>>78623280
Ceci is flat as shit and her mama is a yuri artist. She is very yuri coded
Gigi is the most fitting partner for her

>>78623938
seeing Kroniis fall always makes me hard

>>78623647
what happened september 3rd 2022?

>>78623969
well theres your answer for red

>>78624026
Faumei always has being equal. Only antia would separate them.

>>78623920
Does she think Dark Souls is a rage game?

>>78623394

>>78623997
Oh cease your dramabaiting. The only disaster situation is where she's truly EN forma del Ollie, aka trying to actually PUSH the homos on others.

>>78623920
I smell a story arc....

>>78622651
that's one merch idea a gunpla

>>78623900
I have I own the album

>>78623920
Elden Ring soon

>>78623997
If she’s a bong, she might be that much of a cunt. They make Americans seem pleasant in comparison.

>>78624077
based, lots of kino Faumei number moments in the past

>>78623920
Fauna setting up the return to the motherland, she's truly our beloved arcschizo

>>78623920
QUICK WHAT'S THE DARKSOULS OF RTS?

>>78623920
remember when Fauna was the asmr chuba?

>>78623991
>only one of them deleted
yep i was right, also rip chartanon

/erb/ isn’t looking great

>>78623997
What do her genmates have to do with this? She can do whatever she wants as long as she doesn't drag others down.

>>78624082
She was getting pretty miffed during the race. So yes

>>78623920
So she's gonna play Super Mario Sunshine soon?

>>78623997
Retard

>>78623997
now this is just autism

>>78624260 (me)
Oh, it’s called /innit/ now

>>78623938
And here is a more "esoteric" chart
>THREE HUNDED AND SIXTY FIVE (365) DAYS CUMULATIVE SUPERCHAT
chart for promise.
This chart erases any "seasonality" of the number, as it takes the full year of superchats in each of the datapoints.

Some comments
1) Kronii... it's hard to put in words, so the chart can speak for itself, how much she dropped from her first year.
There was a general shift from superchat to merch buying but, even then, she went from the absolute top to the very last place
2) Fauna ascension from last place to #1 is not to be taken lightly.
3) IRyS holding strong and, like Fauna, avoiding an abrupt fall in betwen the summers of 2022 and 2023 is remarkable as well
4) Bae experiences a certain "stability" starting in March 2023, one of the slower drops of the unit
5) Mumei .... her lack of consistency prevents her from achieving any better number, outranking only Kronii

>>78624082
>Does she think Dark Souls is a rage game?
No? It's just the dark souls of rage games just like WItheirng Rooms is the dark souls of 2D Roguelites

>>78623280
MOST

/rawr/ and /innit/....

>>78622651
ogey

>>78623916
I think the last time branch averages got updated was on the 6th of June
>>77576334
>>77603145

>>78623997
Sheesh man. Relax. You're acting like we didn't go through a milder version of this exact same arc with Bae.
Red will do collabs with the holostars. Her genmates will presumably completely avoid the subject and just let her do her thing, while still treating her normally. They'll love her, because holos are all nice girls and love and care about their genmates. Red will probably try to avoid inconveniencing any other holos with her crusade.

And then it'll either continue in perpetuity (the Ollie path) or slowly die off until it's barely relevant (what ended up happening to Bae).

>>78623997
stop being a dramafaggot, all of them will come back to their roots by either collabing with their ol twitch friends or the homos.
we just got lucky with advent because one are turbo weebs and the other is too old in the game to care.

>>78624346
>Fauna ascension from last place to #1

>>78624260
Homobeggars are concentrating there, it's a legit hell hole.

>>78623394
We'll get her on that soulsborne train one day fellas.

They are already fighting with each other...
https://x.com/ceciliaimgreen/status/1803782066036732123

https://vocaroo.com/12rb9FzE3ABR - iron jaws of the abyss

>>78622642
>replying to bait btw
>Gura 3D live
75-85k
>Justice Debuts
At least 100k
>Advent 3D debuts
65k-85k
>Breaking Dimensions free part
40k

>>78624346
Thanks for all the effort you put in anon

>>78624045
>>78624141
>>78624346
>what happened september 3rd 2022?
One year after monetization. As this is a cumulative 365 days chart, every day before "365 days after monetization" only adds to the chart. It is only after that date that numbers start falling out of the chart

>>78624337
>>78624260
meanwhile /grun/ burned through 12 threads and had falseflaggers seed old fanbase vs new fanbase wars

>>78624362
fugg

I miss BAU BAU posting against baiters. They were so mad it was like the second coming of susposting.

>>78622343
Ok let me look at it with the mentality anon is trying to steel man.
> be me
> be Red
I wants to do male collabs at some point.
It might be with successful celebs/ecelebs (EN or JP), my rando PL friends, or big streamers.. but I want that option kept open.
Alright, cool. Let me make some normal greeting replies to some of the more successful homos.
> oh wait
Right. Majority of the homos aren't replying to me. Only the clout chasing tards from Tempagpag.
Ok, kinda bad, but I can still salvage this. Let's reply and do some fun bantz. Send tweet.
> all hell breaks loose
Alright, I've made my stance clear. The most deranged ones will get filtered now. Especially because it was the dinotard.
Now I can concentrate on my Holo senpai and continue my career.
> ignore Fuwamoco for 30+ hours
> ignore Shiori for 24+ hours
A-Alright, bit of a slip on my end, I uh, didn't see their replies under my tweets.. for some reason. Ok. No problem. I still replied to them. Whew.
> reply to Oga x 2
> reply to Rio x 2
> inserts myself into the middle of some pregnancy meme with Ollie and the dinotard
Uhhh.. what the fuck am I doing..? I already filtered them with my earliest tweets... Hololive fans don't even like this type of humor, and don't like the dinofag that much either... why am I continuing to reply to them?

>>78623609
Damn, when was this?

>cecil is the only justice with r34 art
The need for puppet gash is strong...

>>78624510
>in reality
Posters having fun discussions while making fun of shitposters itt

>>78622885
Scums often float to the top, being a nice guy don't net you wealth and bitches.

>>78623394
>>78623920
There really are alot of Saplings itt. Holy. Look at those replies

>>78624411
Nice hat bro.

>>78624443
>these two bantering among each other
>the other 2 sucking off twitch whores and homos
gurimu

>>78624627
/uuu2/

>>78622387
> If she hadn’t “sperged” out from the start anons would have accused her of rug pulling.
There would've been far less shitflinging if she did it during her debut, since it would be covered by Yellow debuting right after her.
We have to suffer 48 fucking HOURS of bullshit because she did it this early.

>>78624508
ah I see, so I can assume the huge dropoff is the first monetization stream, which is usually a lot, being taken out

>>78624510
/lig/ fags are just stupid

>>78623609
Mori smartened up a lot from her many pink woman bad arcs. Honestly the red one applied to holo because she saw mori getting the UMG deal and wanted a try at it too. A conversation between the two of them would do red woman good.

Holos for this feel?

The EU market is worthless.

>>78624517
I hope we will get Rozen Maiden watchalong with Cecilia.

>>78623997
You're thinking way too hard about this. Do you think Bae or Mori's gen makes give a shit about them homo collabing?

>>78622416
make your own retard, lurk a little and figure out the trigger words.
don't forget to remove stub so you don't get the urge to open the posts and seethe about it.
^ this basically gives you the option of just nuking a post from existence if you don't like it

>>78624774
Something about this post just seems really off

>>78624770
You can't just say kino shit without at least trying to make it happen.

>>78624517

>>78624516
>Hololive fans don't even like this type of humor
See the problem is that they have visibility over only the twitterfags who give them MASSIVE props for shit like this. Unicorns are genuinely invisible, they expect you to know what to do to get their love.

It won't be until months later that she comes to understand the fuckup. However, I also believe that since she's the briish one, she's massively advantaged over the other silly accent girls and will be competitive in CCV with them. Just that all of Justice will never be top tier, in fact this might be the 1st gen not to deliver a single top tier holo, not even an Ina.

>>78622781
>Also I am just throwing ideas as to why she is doing what she is doing, she could just be a homosister and would make the Skwad 2.
She's doing this because she's a fucking retard on a high after having won the golden ticket and expects guaranteed success irrespective of what she does. It's literally a woman moment like Ririka's, except now she gets to open for her gen with "drama" and disinterest from the audience most likely to pay her bills.

>>78623609
>i'm past the point of no return
>i'm beyond redemption
And look at where we are now.

>>78624586
Would a puppet just have an onahole attachment as their gash? Would she be embarrassed about it? Insecure? Would she constantly fear that what she offers is nothing more than cold, dead plastic and that you'll abandon her for a real human instead?

>>78624768
Barcelona here. why the fuck would I watch any of those shitters

>>78622491
One thing to note is that those two were the only ones who were hyping up the new EN debuts and looking to leech.
If she had waited for debut and mentioned Holopro, Holostars etc. her stance would've been abundantly clear.
But if she wanted to clear it pre-debut, the only option she had was to reply to those two. The other homos seem to be completely ignoring Justice.
then again, she could've just started with the reply to Oga and Rio and that might've been enough as well

>>78624516
I disagree with your characterization of trying to "steelman" the argument.
I'll do a better job (one which other anons tried but failed to convey correctly).
1) there is a belief that the "parasocial"
>using the word as the "beggars" use, completely devoid of any of the original meaning
audience is a vocal minority and detrimental while at it
2) there is also a belief that there is a bigger audience for "well rounded" female vtubers, willing to collab with males, collab with females and participate in "outside the box" events which regular Hololive girls are prevented from engaging because of the audience depicted in point 1
Anons believe that, if a girl deliberately filter out the audience in point 1 from the getgo she can unlock the audience in point 2 without the blowback it would cause down the line.

That's what I believe the STRONGEST interpretation of anon's argument would be. Here is where I disagree
>the absolute great majority of the girls that went that route came out worse than they entered
here is a complementary argument
>any girl that succeeded in spite of going that route had such a massive advantage in other areas they would have succeeded even harder WITHOUT going that route

>>78624831
looks like a reddit post

The 1st audition hurdle to clear is to be a fan of hololive.
The second is to clarify what they mean by hololive, if any of them mention homos or HoloID, disqualify and discombobulate.
After these hurdles have been clear EN scouts should look at more trivial things like voice, experience, skills.

>>78624770
might be numbers poison, but lies of P or nier would also be fitting for her

>>78624959
Shinri tweeted out about the holopro family growing bigger but hasn’t tweeted at her iirc

>>78624515
Or Amogusposting

>>78622690
Her entire trailer dude, she's going for the FPS "gamer girl" vibe.

>>78624705
>so I can assume the huge dropoff is the first monetization stream, which is usually a lot, being taken out
Yep. Also first birthdays, usually fall in that range for those that had their first birthday before their first anniversary

>>78623609
Redemption is always possible, Mori, there are extremist that'll never let it go but most would gladly leave the past in the past if you prove yourself, the unicorn position is way more reasonable than it looks.

>>78624912
She was all in, the dudes really fuck up

>/rawr/ keeps dying before it reaches bump limit

>>78624562
Just before Tempus debuted

>>78624977
Calling it Mori and Bae's gen, and not just Myth and Promise, seems to be the part that throws up a redflag

>>78624768
EU don't watch streams on YT

>>78624627
First time?

>>78624892
>It won't be until months later that she comes to understand the fuckup
This is the sad part. Obviously, she's going to do like 100k on debut and around 8-9k ccv on her first month consistently. But, a month or two later, that's when the tourists get bored and the only fans left are those yucky unicorns.

>>78623117
yeah but that's only good for the fans that she wont get anyway right? Like its still making her lose all the fans (potentially even more) that such an event would make her lose, it just makes these people that wont watch her less resentful of her, which is "good" if you are going to shed them anyway but, like still awful overall
>>78623335
i mean yeah sure but unironically what's the problem with the unicorn audience? You know that they don't have to pander particularly hard to unicorns, all they have to do is not interact with males (which btw has 0 upside anyway in vtubing)
It's just a lot of losing for literally no gain (outside of schizo "she sure showed them unicord chuds!" when 1) she literally just joined the corpo and seems happy enough to try spiting existing fans of the thing she just joined (whats the point of doing this?) 2) they haven't caused any issues, particularly to her anyway)

So judging from what've been posted here:
>gigi and cece are playing in their own bubble (possibly the gurame of justice)
>the pink one is holding a homecoming party with her old circle tho no males, and coombaiting
>the red one spammed homos, neglecting the girl side
Eh i can live with that.

>>78625093
she'll be the most popular in her gen especially in JP.

>>78625028
Just make it members, like most watchalongs.

>>78625093
this kind of got me thinking, but what if we reach a point where not every member of EN can maintain an active general?

>>78625093
wtf is /rawr/

Bloodflame is going to be the biggest fucking homowhore that ever spoke english. Ollie will think "damn girl calm down, we're holoLIVE not stars".
My argument? She tracked down fucking Minase Rio to reply to him. How in the hell would anyone know that even fucking is without being a giga homosister?

>>78623900
Wow I’m skimming some lyrics and this is weirdly… literal. How did Deadbeats receive this one? I’ll have to do some archive diving

>>78624346
>only point of this biased chart is making Mumei look bad with a meme metric after she mogged Fauna
Embarrassing, this is why no one takes this place seriously

>>78622885
nasakenaiwa~ ohohoho~

>>78625087
God I hate how diluted unicorn as a term has become. I blame the beggars, at this point it encompasses all those who prefer girls collabing with girls.

>>78625209
I think at some point there has to be either gen specific generals or niche focused ones

>>78624260
Pre-debut is irrelevant tbqh desu ne. I'm giving her at least one week after debut to pass judgement

So what happens if she doesn't collab with the homos?

>>78624447
>iron jaws of the abyss[sound=https%3A%2F%2Ffiles.catbox.moe%2Fcpjk2b.mp3].jpg

>>78623132
We have 24 more hours.
Green is still the only one to have caught my attention.
Yellow debuts on the same day as Red so she's collateral. I'll check out debut clips of both of them.
Green and Pink ganbare.

>>78625209
Fauna and Bae already can't

>>78625209
They'll move on to dickord.

>>78625228
>She tracked down fucking Minase Rio to reply to him. How in the hell would anyone know that even fucking is without being a giga homosister?
maybe its just me but Rio is easily one of the most memorable homos behind robert and clown because he's the "thats a girl" one. remember, he's in the same gen as mother fucking UYU

>>78625228
A lot of people are coping with the
>I-It was just tweets, she'll actually be nice and pure like Shiori was
But, nah. Shiori didn't make this much of a point of showing herself to be a homosister.

>>78625093
Her fans aren't on 4ch.

>>78625228
>Ollie will think "damn girl calm down, we're holoLIVE not stars".
That part will never happen

>>78625334
/uuu/ can, they choose not to

>>78625308
She killed her bottom line for nothing and is stupid as they come

>>78623363
> Red is last
Holy shit
Truly the MOST

>>78625209
Fauna is so popular she gets 2 splits. /uuu/ and /uuu2/ aka /#/

>>78624346
>2) Fauna ascension from last place to #1 is not to be taken lightly.
Fauna made more on her second year, am I reading this right? Insane growth of the core audience no?

>>78625209
Most are already on art and ritual posting life support, like, I'm afraid to even check the state of Ame's thread.

>>78625147
I'll add to your point. Wanna know the
>ABSOLUTE DUMBER MOVE
a girl (or a company) can ever make?
That move would be, from the getgo, to EXPLICITLY and unambiguously segregate a part of the audience and say
>MY CONTENT IS **NOT** FOR YOU
>I **DON'T** WANT YOU IN MY AUDIENCE
Incidentally, that was the exact reason ReGLOSS fell flat in their face, exactly because they did that.

People can make their minds for themselves, sometimes they'll like the content of a girl and go out of their way to paper over any potential shortcoming in order to justify their initial "investment" and continue watching them.
But when a girl (or a company on behalf of a girl) goes out of their way to say
>FUCK OFF LOSER, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THIS JELLY!
The only correct reaction is to go
>OK, good luck and have fun, I'll be over there supporting your genmates / company mates without even glancing at your direction
and there won't be any
>THEY'RE HOLOLIVE / HOLOEN / JUSTICE TOO! PLEASE SUPPORT THEM!
that will bring back that particular audience

>>78623938
>>78624346
CGDCT is really the way for EN market

>>78625228
Will we end up with Ollie being insecure about being a homofan as well?

>>78623953
good start but very curious to see where she takes it

>>78625093
/wah/ also died at 197 posts.

>>78624586
>r34
Raora too

>>78625256
well yeah. people spammed the term to refer to anyone with CGDCT-only preferences so much that naturally the language would eventually shift. Pretty normal.

>>78624627
Anon this general is nothing but saplings and a few IRyStocrats
Not to say they don't like other girls, but chumbuds and hoomans don't post here because they don't need validation. They already know how objectively great their oshis are

Pochi!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnQYzt7lf4E

>>78623546
does this set have any nood type variations? can put on litter

>>78625256
I think it's better if unicorn and CGDCT become the same thing, the virginity thing is just too silly for any real world scenario.

>>78625228
She is exactly what Cover wants

>>78625228
weakest argument for this though, Rio is probably top 3 recognizable on a superficial level from homoJP, unity birthday+fagni ship it's enough to clear the barrier of the rest but Roberu and Astel.

How come pink is being antied more than red?

What i understand from this thread is that >we hate Raora, Elizabeth and Kronii, right?

>>78623938
/whuuurys/ supremacy remains strong

>>78625376
That just means they can't

>>78625030
Doesn't Shinri have very territorial women on him?

>>78623938
so how did Bae incline from 4k to 5.5k?
or was it just JRPG debuff streams?

>>78625497
pp in vagee or just ecchi? Catbox or link it, I'm not seeing it.

>>78625583
she helped Sayu directly after she got booted out of Niji

>>78625616
Whatever fits your narrative better.

>>78625583
sisters using the shiori MO pre-debut slander, she sided against nijisanji on the sayu affair.

>>78625642
i think he's literally gay, just not gay as Goldbullet

>>78623920
>>78623953
She really is setting up the story arc, she's a genius

>>78625614
>/uuu2/
FTFY

Honestly I thought that with advent being 5/5 and with Nerissa somehow refusing to interact with homo despite not doing so on RM, that Jap onboarded new gens and told them to cut this shit out. But apparently not. It was just a fucking coincidence? Advent somehow saved EN without management knowing what they were doing?

>>78625570
>Rio is probably top 3 recognizable on a superficial level from homoJP
Holy fuck, you can't possibly be serious unless you're using some esoteric knowledge impossible to penetrate by the audience in this thread.
I can EASILY mention FOUR more recognizable homos from the JP branch from mindchair aline
>Roberu
>Astel
>Rikka
>Aruran
and I'm not talking only from the perspective of the EOP audience but the general vtuber watching audience in both sides of the kaigai pond.
Rio is not even the most recognizable homo from his fucking gen, with Gamma having incline arcs due to his expeditionary endeavors in the general vtubers scene with VCR.

>>78624901
prediction
her debut will include an anti-holo-fan segment (probably tearful) and a claim to have been harassed by us
management will back her up with an anti-fan campaign that half the girls will join
total holo death gradually follows

>>78625583
>liggers hate her because she escaped the crab bucket
>sisters hate her because she supports doki and sayu
>phaseniggers anting holo as usual
I've seen this playbook. Its exactly the same as Shiori's when they found her rm

>>78625604
No, we hate Elizabeth, Bae, Ollie, homos.
Kronii has some haters but she is turning it around for some time now, I myself resubbed to her and hope she keeps up the good work.

>>78625536
I love this woman.

Trust the Rose

>>78625677
So she's EN Aloe?

I BELIEVE IN #JUSTICE COIN

>>78625583
She was the one they picked to run the shitposting campaign on, whoever "they" are. It was Shiori last time preadvent debut.

>>78625654
Generally better content choices and streaming long enough to garbage collect + more people available to dump garbage

Mocochan!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAaQSGsDrIc

>>78625654
Dropping the JRPGs and she's been on a becoming a gamer arc, which has been good content

>>78625654
>so how did Bae incline from 4k to 5.5k?
She benefited from teh increased interest brought by Advent but there is a big "hidden" factor in that chart which is
>the Nov 2023 "waiting room cull" fix
aka the "uncull"
You can see an across the board incline starting between Nov 20 2023 and Dec 04 2023 and it's likely due to that factor

>>78625583
Red would obviously catch heat for those Holostars tweets, that was always going to happen.
the pink woman hate seems entirely artificial and I'm pretty sure it's about Sayu and Doki. The sisters fucking viciously HATE anyone who backed them during Selengate and apparently Pink did, or so I hear. They're also really riled up right now about AX and Dokibird, they're gaslighting themselves into thinking roaming packs of dragoons are going to beat up nijisanji fans at AX and shit like that. So they're just in a bad and angry mood in general.

>>78625769
>liggers hate her
no we don't. cease this fanfic

>>78625739
Jap did his best but even he is no miracle worker. Diversity hires are a plague in every industry.

>>78623997
It's too early to speculate man.
She can either go the EN Towa route - safest or the EN Ollie route - road to irrelevance and ruination of gen collabs.
There's also the potential for EN Laplus if she's talented enough and keeps menhera in check.

>>78625825
I Believe in GiGi and CeCi

>>78625739
>t was just a fucking coincidence? Advent somehow saved EN without management knowing what they were doing?
Apparently. Either that, or, if you believe the
>They're literally EN ReGloss
rrat, then they had told the girls not to collab with boys and brought red woman in specifically for that purpose to see how well an unironic homosister holo would do

>>78625604
Raora hate seems to be coming from sisters because she turned her back on niji
Kronii hasn't interacted with any homos for more than a year and is happily doing her thing
The red one is a whole other story

>>78625739
Boss said "If there's no girl in the next gen that will suck off my boy you're fired."
What can good old Hazuki do?

>>78625739
Once again management proves hololive thrives in spite of management and it's all down to the girls' talents
>inb4 some nijinegro replies with >so then anykara better?

>>78625583
She’s Sayu’s mama and “betrayed” /lig/ by joining Holo

https://x.com/ERBloodflame/status/1803865111356150270?t=_VL7IXh8ePNXQ1I6Q5jKeA&s=19

>>78625825
Based optimist-pilled GOD

>>78625654
Some better streams, some general buff thanks to youtube changes, definitely more raids. You can see the incline started with Advent, when raids became much more common, and Bae is one of the most raided member.

>>78625973
nice link retard

>>78625739
Cover demanded at least one homoslut this time around.

>>78625739
I believe influence of FuwaMoco paid big part in how Advent end up.
Justice lacks someone like them.

>>78624443
cute