/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Whatever relevancy they will lose, they will still be above NijiEN

>>78618433
Contrararians always exist.

>>78618547
contrarians can still find vtubers they like within the holosphere, especially with the amount of talents there are now

If Doki keeps playing that Sand Land game, I could definitely see her slip into 3view.

>>78618540
>they will still be above NijiEN
yeah, but nobody cares about nijiEN
the whole point is that they shouldn't be relevant enough for people to watch them instead of hololive

>>78618433
Depends if Doki's gonna suicide-bait again

>>78618540
NijiEN is below fucking literalwho corps these days, they are not a bar anymore.

>>78618728
>they shouldn't be relevant enough for people to watch them instead of hololive
let me translate this.
>please watch my corpo UUUU why won't fans of established talents not jump ship the moment my corpo merely announces some shiny new turds UUUU please Dragoons, please Wisps, please oshihen

>>78618849
the fuck is a globie? this is so disgusting

>>78618433
Indies tend to have an entirely seperate fanbase from hololive, AKA twitch normies who dont give a fuck about traditional vtuber things.

Both of them will continue to do just fine no matter what holo does.

>>78618433
Opposite. Holo's IR stuff says they want to participate with a growing vtuber community, which hasn't quite grown to match them yet.

Doki's going to grow and grow, and boost Hololive from the ground level by increasing the reach of the entire genre through her unity events.
The west is finally getting our shibuya hal, and she's an adorable girl with an addicting laugh.

>>78618433
From what it looks like, half of EN4 is heading towards flopland. I expect Doki to beat their average CCV from month 2 onwards.

>>78618922
>AKA twitch normies who dont give a fuck about traditional vtuber things
based
indieshitters like dragoons and wisps shouldn't be allowed on /vt/ because they're not actually vtuber fans

>>78618433
Indies will survive the crash better than any corpo staple

By 2029 to 2034 people like Marine and Pekora will be independents, smaller audiences competing with the AI “assistants”, the new norm.

>>78619062
bait used to be believable

>>78619116
t. indieshitter

>>78619058
>The west is finally getting our shibuya hal
Already black listed by Nijisanji.
Can't even invite holo girls for her leech tournaments.

>>78618849
GLOBIECHADS WE CANNOT STOP WINNING

Obsessed
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>>78618433
EN4 will be the biggest indie enablers, especially the pink one.

>>78618656
Then why haven't they yet?

>>78618433
The opposite actually. I expect them to do better than EN 4 EU edition. If they really are eu times then their numbers will suck. If they aren't actually eu times they will get a boost but a ton of backlash by people being misled and numbers will start to go down out of spite. Those who watch everything Holo or Holo only will help them but the excitement like with Advent just isn't there right now. Maybe one of them will be the next star, but Doki and Mint will be fine and more stable overall.

>>78618918
Brave Group EU (like 1/20th the budget of Brave Group NA/V4Mirai)

>>78618433
If you're as big an indie as Doki or Mint I don't think you're losing sleep over new Holo debuts especially if you're already friends with them behind the scenes.

>>78619441
>especially if you're already friends with them behind the scenes
mumei and kiara are the only straight up traitors who actually do this, though

>>78618433
Are nijniggers mad that Hololive Justice is a success and already surpassing Denaukeks/whatever the fuck is the new jp meat wave in subscribers even before debut? Or maybe because shittersanji Anime Expo concert is not selling well? You should worry about the dead branch that is shittersanji en before worrying about vtubers that you "don't care about"

dokimint sex

>>78619169
>Already black listed by Nijisanji
Implying anyone would want miload and EDUCATE YOURSELF in her collabs.

>>78619809
fwmc...

>>78619809
who are FWMC? who is Nerissa?

>>78620182
fuwamoco only met with mint once, they're not actively friends like kiara/mumei are with doki/mint respectively. they can be forgiven, especially since kiara was involved in them meeting in the first place
>>78620374
again, kiara was involved, so nerissa can be forgiven. she's not actively friends with either of those nijinigs/indieshitters, they stay within the holosphere when not influenced by kiara

>>78618849
>barkswell
Im fucking done with this hobby

>>78620539
Are you unironically one of those retards who believes the "Pomu ignored the twins when they were 2views" rrat?

>>78620539
>fuwamoco only met with mint once
he doesn't know lol
>especially since kiara was involved in them meeting in the first place
no she wasn't lol

>>78620824
>Are you unironically one of those retards who believes the "Pomu ignored the twins when they were 2views" rrat?
doesn't matter as long as the twins started ignoring pomu as soon as they joined hololive

>>78621005
Oh you ignorant fool.

>>78618433
No they will be fine

The fall of NijiEN has brought in a new age of V-tubing. Before, two mega corporations dominated the entire landscape. Hololive still stands, but the void NijiEN is leaving behind will likely remain with large indies and small corpos.
Besides, Dokibird has thoroughly embedded herself deep into the unity scene.

>>78623342
>Hololive still stands, but the void NijiEN is leaving behind will likely remain with large indies and small corpos.
and with more holoEN talents debuting, the relevance of large indies and small corpos can only shrink. total Hololive domination is on the horizon

>>78618849
>188
>177
LMAO

>>78619169
>Already black listed by Nijisanji.

>>78619839
It's because one of them is an ex-nijisister who gave them the finger by becoming Sayu's mama. This is personal for them.

>>78619809
>having friendships outside is betrayal
Holotards sound more like abusive partners the more they pound keyboards.

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>>78621005
Since this is a catalogthread, I unironically can't tell if you're just baiting or a living lobotomy. That Gura image hints at you being serious.

>>78618433
>HoloEN gen 4 the Homocollabers
This gen is going to lose relevance within the first few weeks.

>>78623591
Disagree for a couple reasons.
1. Hololive is unable to exploit some of the niches indies have capitalized on, such as controversial humor or hardcore gaming.
2. Nijisanji's fall has created a demographic of anti large corpo viewers who will want to support indies and small corpos purely to "stick it to the man."
3. The large indies of today have their own "brands," in a way that say only Filian had earlier, fostering a stronger sense of personal loyalty.
4. Phase Connect and Vshojo, two of the biggest corpo winners of Nijisanji's, have also built up their brand reputations while also being conducive to lending smaller indies a hand via collabs and what not, further enlarging the sense of community among the smaller groups outside of Holo.

At the end of the day, Hololive and Nijisanji appealed to different audience types. Hololive cannot reach out to those different audience types without adjusting its brand, which would piss off the older Hololive fans.

>>78624607
>squeaking unicorn
You are irrelevant, squeaker.

>>78625063
>Hololive cannot reach out to those different audience types without adjusting its brand, which would piss off the older Hololive fans
Well yeah, because Hololive doesn't need to cater to those contrarian faggots. They can basically just keep operating within the walled garden, promoting it better than indies can ever promote themselves, and the monkeys in the outer "vtuber community" will do things to self-sabotage and ruin things on their own (remember that a lot of the most popular in these spheres are ex-nijinigs).
Hololive will win by doing nothing, the only way they can lose is by acknowledging them at all.

>>78623591
No one is going to watch HomoLovingJustice tho. So, those indies will be fine.

>>78618433
The only doubt I have is what mental illness you need to do this reasoning. Is this begging, nijisis, unicuck, all of the above or just pure underage retardness?

>>78618433
If anything gen 4 is gonna cannibalaize the rest of holoen

>>78626936
The sheer arrogance to assume that the walled garden will stand forever. Hololive is akin to pre-Meiji Restoration Japan, while Dokibird is on her way to becoming the Matthew C. Perry of vtubing.

>>78628047
>6k deal or no deal
How is that game still that popular, TV sometimes doesn't feel dead at all.

>>78628290
It was a wii shovelware game, not a watchalong of the actual show

>>78628393
I know, even more wow.

>>78618540
Fibby bibby

>>78628287
>The sheer arrogance to assume that the walled garden will stand forever
So you admit that Hololive is the walled garden, and those walls are the only thing keeping the trash out. They genuinely can't mess it up as long as people like Doki and Mint and their fans are kept firmly outside.

>>78631214
>trash

>>78631214
>trash
>holoen 4 is full of homoloving whores

>>78631598
They have a chance to redeem themselves as Holos. That's the whole point of Hololive, is that they have a chance at redemption. Established indieshitters and ex-nijiniggers like Doki and Mint are too far gone to be cleansed, that's why they need to be kept as far away from Hololive as possible.

>>78631737
The red one is already flirting with homos LMFAO you got cucked before they even debuted

>>78618433
Doki will always be a large indie. A lot larger than the rest, in fact.

>>78631737
>unironically saying "redemption"
You're 14 years old, fuck off from this website.

>>78631214
Not so much as a walled garden, as much as a place where our great banner of EN unity is temporarily absent.

>>78631737
What's funny is that "le indieshitters and ex-nijifags" Doki and Mint probably have the most connections inside of HoloEN than any other EN indies out there.

>>78633182
COVER would hire hitmen to personally execute popular indies before they'd ever let them near the walled garden. Your idea of "unity" will never win, unity has and always will apply to Hololive members only.

>>78625063
I daresay Raora is Cover's attempt at bridging this divide.

>>78633716
>Raora is Cover's attempt at bridging this divide
if this is the case, she's going to make all the backlash that mori received look like a fucking joke by comparison

>>78633644
>cover would hire hitmen
Nijinigger projection

>>78633873
Yeah, your post is nijinigger projection. "Unity" never has and never will include your oshi, sorry. It only applies to Hololive members.

>>78624030
Is she the red or the pink one?

>>78633989
So true sister, you tell em

>>78633989
Which of the two is known to use straight up Yakuza tactics to cripple competition and silence naysayers, you stupid delusional faggot? It's not fucking Cover, that's for sure.
>my walled garden will never fall!
You've repeated that same spiel five times already. Sounds like you're sniffing copium. And it's not yours anyway, nijinigger.

>>78634167
Pink, red is another homo-lover

>>78633989
Wrestletuber is only going to get bigger next year, and we only need one Holomem to cave and accept the invite for the bubble to pop. We already have Yagoo's precious Homostars.

>>78634361
>Which of the two is known to use straight up Yakuza tactics to cripple competition and silence naysayers, you stupid delusional faggot? It's not fucking Cover, that's for sure.
That's my point, COVER doesn't need to use those tactics, because they always win by default. Literally the only way it can fail would be if they let the wrong people too close to the walled garden, which they never will. They'd do whatever is necessary to keep that from happening because Hololive has always been about keeping the talents and the fans happy, unlike Nijisanji, which has always been about spamming new organs and merch for short term profit margins.
Hololive knows that you win by playing the long game, so the walled garden isn't going to fail anytime soon. I'm 100% positive they saw nijiEN collapse and knew they were in the right to pass on people like Elira and Selen, those types literally invite nothing but problems and drama.

>>78634714
>Which they never will
That is all dependent on Yagoo's desire to expand. And if he is recruiting popular outsiders, that could be a sign that he is looking for new routes into the rest of the market. They also said that Yagoo would never return to China.

>>78618433
Opposite is going to happen. These two have "indie appeal", which is enough to keep some of the more casual fans.
Instead, EN (particularly Advent) is going to realize exactly why you need to farm gachis, since several of them aren't exactly talented vtubers. If you don't make an effort to convert FOTM-type viewers into dedicated fans, prepare to see numbers decline with every new gen.
I predict somewhat weak debut numbers as most interest will be from cannibalizing the existing holo fanbase.

>>78634872
>that could be a sign that he is looking for new routes into the rest of the market
The "rest of the market" are contrarian faggots who like things like male collabs. They will always be irrelevant cancer, and honestly shouldn't even be counted as vtuber fans since they basically just want normalfag streamers behind anime avatars.

>>78635004
You know Yagoo wanted his male branch, and he let them collab with Dokibird. He voiced his regret for not making Hololive coed to begin with. Why do you think he doesn't want to find new outlets into this "contrarian" market?
I don't care either way. I'm perfectly happy outside this "walled garden" you speak of. Sounds kinda boring and overly seiso in there.

>>78634714
>COVER doesn't need to use those tactics, because they always win by default
That's not what you claimed previously, you lying faggot.
>let the wrong people too close to the walled garden, which they never will
They've let plenty of wrong people INSIDE of the walled garden, if you wanna use unicorn sentiment.
>Elira
What the fuck does that bitch have to do with anything?
>Selen courting drama
This is a fucking nijisister sentiment, can you literally not help but out yourself? Holy shit.

>>78628047
Learned nothing about ACCELERATE. Which is, don't do that.

>>78618433
one of the new girls already hamstrung herself, other one is potentially not looking so good either, will see about the other 2
So everything is probably going to stay the same

>>78635401
The point is that people like Selen and Elira (all nijiniggers by extension, really) bring nothing but trouble and drama.

>>78636743
Selen was utterly yabless throughout her entire tenure at Niji, you disingenuous falseflaggot.

>>78637003
>constant collabs with homos
>yabless

>>78637229
But enough about Justice.

>>78637229
Stop fucking pretending that you don't know how things work in Nijisanji, sister. Male collabs are mandatory. Meanwhile when a Holomem collabs with a homo, it's of their own volition.

>>78637398
Nice projection nijinig but I ain't a nijitroon. Once a homocollaber always a homocollaber, simple as.

>>78637398
Dokibird, Matara, and Mint collab with males on their own free will. And I wouldn't have it any other way. This is one of the first things we will culturally import to Hololive once we scale the walls, or Yunii or Yagoo himself open the gates up for us.

>>78637507
>everyone inside the walled garden is perfect
>but also homocollabbing is a yab
So which is it?

>>78637859
NIJISEETHE

>>78637781
>Matara
You could argue that now, but back in Niji, she collabbed with males because her genmates fucking ostracized her, she literally had no other choice.
>Doki
I'll give you her, but it's also her proclivity towards FPS games and esports crowds. She's not an idol and doesn't need to be.
>Mint
Hasn't collabbed with any male yet since her return.

>>78637997
>no argument

>>78638167
>She's not an idol and doesn't need to be.
Exactly. This is why Hololive could never supplant the niche Dokibird created for herself. And if they try, well, I wish them luck, and hope their unicorns inside don't revolt. It would admittedly be kinda fun to watch.

>>78638271
>doesn't deny being a nijitranny
I accept your defeat

>>78638860
Did you see me use "dookie", or mocking her suicide attempts, or seething about how she betrayed and destroyed the branch in any of my posts, you illiterate fuckup? I literally fucking defended her from YOUR claim that she is a "drama magnet".

>>78639314
You're not fooling anyone nijitranny. We holoCHADS don't want your sloppy seconds. Never did, never will.

>holokeks believe people would rush to watch new blue doritos sucking big indies' viewership dry, because according to their logic why would you watch anyone else if there's blue dorito
No sweetie, it doesn't work this way, both Mint and Doki have long established fanbases, their content is distingushing, some people just want holo quality, but don't want to watch/tired of holo, so their relevance won't be affected much.

>>78639414
You should call him like a seething 2view or something, we holoGODS have the best buzzwords! Try that one!

>>78639414
Because at this point joining Hololive would be fucking hindrance to her. NONE of the dragoons want her to go to Hololive. Cope all you want, but Doki is quite literally the biggest beacon of cross-company unity right now, and if Hololive doesn't grab that slice of pie, that's a failure on their part. They will stagnate and their evolution will grind to a halt. I personally don't want that. I want Hololive to grow bigger than ever, and Doki CAN help with that.

Corporate tribalism is so fuckin weird.

Imagine simping for a billion dollar company

>>78639979
There is no god but Unity, and Dokibird is its prophet. All will recognize her greatness.
(Nijisanji is of course excluded)

>>78637229
Holokeks are diseased in the brain with homosemen.

>>78635004
Do unicorns think if they scream and piss themselves enough, the definition of vtuber will magically be arbitrarily confined to idoltubers?

>>78639314
>Lists the things that define her as a nijisis as deflection.
If you were not you wouldn’t try so hard to falseflag. Go rope Nijisis.

>>78640636
Falseflag as who? A dragoon? Shit, I guess. Because i'm actually a wisp.

>>78631214
Typical Holo, thinking only Holo matters and everyone else is trash. I pity you.

>>78640477
Unironically yes, they believe exactly that

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>>78641352
What pisses me the fuck off the most about them is the absolute hypocrisy.
>A Holomem has a yab involving a male?
>She's an outlier!
>An indie or a small corpo chuuba has a yab involving a male?
>All of them without exception are filthy whores!

>>78641567
To be fair this isnt always the case.

ERB is getting dragged by the incel losers on VT

Why are nijiniggers so loyal to their company?

>>78641852
>Le /vt/ is the problem while I post here argument.
Peak retardation. Rope faster or leave.

>>78641852
I wasn't implying that they don't drag them through the mud. ERB is getting flak, but Cecilia, for example, is not catching strays from her. That's not how it goes for small corpo chuubas.

>>78619382
this is either a dragoon or a wisp coping

>>78644650
Coping with what? Whether Justice is a resounding success or a flop literally has no bearing on the success Doki and Mint already found.

>>78645040
>Whether Justice is a resounding success or a flop literally has no bearing on the success Doki and Mint already found
a lot of doki and mint's "success" likely just comes from people who haven't found a holomem they really resonate with. otherwise, why would they be coping with the lack of big concerts/orisongs/genmate collabs/etc with indies like them?

>>78619169
>Nijisanji
Roru
Rumao

>>78645288
meds

>>78645288
meds

>>78645288
Now who's coping?

>>78645288
Actually take your meds. Maybe some wisps care about that, but dragoons couldn't give a whiff of a fuck.

>>78645288
I can't believe people find other form of entertainment...entertaining! Shockers I know.

no i'm not watching your corposlop

>>78645288
I dislike idol culture.
I don't care for singing or dancing.
I have zero attraction to Dokibird or Mint, and would hate it if they tried to instill it.
I find fanservice insulting.
I basically want an edgy zoomer comedian. dressed up as an anime girl.

>>78653557
>He's a Caplappalist
Grim

>>78618433
If doing that well they don't need a corp

>>78618433
50/50

>>78656210
Close. Dragoon.
That's right. I don't find my oshi attractive. Besides, I'm only into necrophilia, and ghosts don't count.

Hololive is old news indies are the future. They’re going too continue too incline.

>>78664836
Branding power is way too strong.

>>78664836
not Hololive lmao, even holoEN is but a small section of it.

>>78671341
Holo JP will be fine sure. Holo EN will go the way of IGN soon enough. Especially with YAGOO accelerating